assassination

[woeful wigeon]

so we aint gone lose dmg cause of no anullet its bull .... that finger did 4-6 million free dmg

[keen spruce]

it was already getting replaced by 441 socketed rings for most people

especially after the aura buff we got a few weeks ago

we basically got our annulet compensation buff early

[spice spire]

The day I agree with shmeeps

[gilded oasis]

shiii-

[gusty mirage]

frankly that means your gear sucks

because assassination 110% replaced annulet

[spice spire]

Damn

[gusty mirage]

I'm done beating around the bush with the complaining about "no changes yet"

it's just annoying now

we've had Realz in here confirm that the goal is 10.2

[spice spire]

It’s been annoying for like

[gusty mirage]

we had Ion mention they're not coming in 10.1.5 but later

[spice spire]

A while

[gusty mirage]

now we have people complaining that assassination isn't getting a compensation buff for a ring that you replace when you have good gear

which breaks down to either: you don't know how not "free" the annulet was or you don't understand how stats work

[slim hamlet]

Man 10.2 gonna be sick

i don't even care what is changing, just like changes

[gilded oasis]

you're gonna be sick

[thorn fjord]

Or they just dont understand

[slim hamlet]

We all are

[gusty mirage]

zar is attacking me with the ion d again

[gilded oasis]

cant stop wont stop

[slim hamlet]

wtf does that mean

[thick sail]

@gusty mirage it's still a nerf to people without good gear.

[gusty mirage]

I'm getting smacked with ion's pp

[slim hamlet]

eyo

wtf is that

[gusty mirage]

correct

[gilded oasis]

craft a 447 ring, free hole replace annulet

[slim hamlet]

no shot real image

[gilded oasis]

iond

yeah

[gusty mirage]

but they don't balance for people running around at 420 ilvl

that would be asinine

[gilded oasis]

from blizzcon a few years back mang

[slim hamlet]

ew ion

[thick sail]

Like me and my girlfriend have 430 gear and don't try that hard. It still sucks to have an Annulet I farmed a couple days for that's now garbage

[gusty mirage]

I get that

[spice spire]

Normally I’m very on the side of not everyone is a gamer and can do everything. But legitimately anyone at this point can get to 440 with just an ounce of effort this tier

[gusty mirage]

but they also introduced it as a temporary thing

they made that very clear

[thorn fjord]

Bro that shit dropped like 3 months ago

[gusty mirage]

the problem is, outlaw rogue and sub rogue and ww monk and the other classes receiving compensation buffs

used it at max ilvl

[thick sail]

@spice spire right, but now it's just like, boy, I should've just been running mythics and getting crests instead of doing that stupid Forgotten Isles shit

[thorn fjord]

it literally took like 2 hours to get

[spice spire]

And time etc. discluding, not gonna flame for anyone’s situation. I’m saying accessibility is at an all time high

[thorn fjord]

Not a huge time sync

[thick sail]

All right let me put it this way

[gusty mirage]

sync

[thorn fjord]

sink

[thick sail]

Go to the Forgotten Isles now and try to get it

There's no one there

[gilded oasis]

yeah its kinda dead out there

[thorn fjord]

Group finder is a thing

[thick sail]

So killing the bosses to get keys is near impossible

That's when I did it

It was empty

It sucked

[gusty mirage]

not for the rares out there its not

[thick sail]

And it took a long time

[woeful meteor]

buy all profession rare spawners

[spice spire]

Well since keys are boa, you can just move them between toons as well

[woeful meteor]

they have 600k hp die to any fresh 70 with ah gear

[thorn fjord]

Well not now that we know its getting nerfed... But i was able to farm one like 4 weeks ago with no issue

[gusty mirage]

tbh that's entirely on blizzard for overbuffing the annulet in the first place

[spice spire]

It had some systems to fix it

[gusty mirage]

they were angy that no one was using it

[thick sail]

Absolutely it's on Blizzard

[gusty mirage]

so they overbuffed them

it was legit gonna be a tank + healer + outlaw/ww thing

until they decided "fuck it everything buffed by 40%"

[spice spire]

But yeah, running current content > content from last .7 should be ideal. But blizzard really messed up with this implementation

[thorn fjord]

Blame D4

[thick sail]

What they should do is, continue adding content to Forgotten Isle so people who liked that content or feel invested can continue to progress their Annulet item level

[spice spire]

I liked forgotten isle

[gusty mirage]

why would I blame D4 for them saying something and not following through with it until the 10.1.5 patch?

[spice spire]

Had fun doing it

[thick sail]

It's not D4. I got my Annulet before D4 launched and it was dead as fuck there

[gusty mirage]

they strictly said they wanted it to be a 10.0.7 thing

[thorn fjord]

Gotta blame something

[spice surge]

Its not like you need to kill rares for it either, you can just loot treasures

[gusty mirage]

and to be used in early progression

and replaced

and then it just... didn't

[spice surge]

And even back in the day it was faster than killing the rares

[gusty mirage]

for a lot of classes/specs

[thick sail]

I loved it. It just was such an absolute slog waiting for a person to show up so we could 3 man a boss

And it would like take forever to kill

With only 3 people

[spice spire]

I did it on my dk so I get it

I solo’d like 10 bosses

That took like 4 minutes a piece

[thick sail]

DK master race

[spice spire]

Got the ring and zoomed

Tank master role

😛

[gilded oasis]

tanks dont count

[gusty mirage]

if people are upset that blizzard let it stay this strong for so long, I'm with you

that's a very valid reason to be upset

[spice spire]

Tank lives matter wtf

[gusty mirage]

being upset because they're not giving us a compensation buff for the nerf? nah

[thick sail]

Feels so awful finding a healer, doing a boss, and then no key drop, too

[gilded oasis]

[spice spire]

1v1 me zar

I’ll fight for oxipal to the day I die

[gilded oasis]

[spice spire]

[thick sail]

Yeah I'm not sad about no compensatory buff. I'm sad about a ring I farmed when farming it was awful, that is now nerfed into the ground

[spice spire]

That’s fair

[gilded oasis]

yeah that part stinks I suppose

[spice spire]

The entitledness of buffs are what bother oxi, and many that see it ad nauseam

Not the “man this stinks now because nerfed rings”

[thorn fjord]

he also sees the same stuff posted in here day in and day out

as do you

[gusty mirage]

and that's 100% a valid reason to be upset, cause if they had followed their original "plan" you would've came back and been like eh fuck that it's not worth it

and continued on with your life

except they just kept it strong for no reason

[thick sail]

It's more just that Blizzard focuses so hard on the high end, max gear people that I think frequently they screw over the average/slightly above average M+ enjoyers

[gilded oasis]

or people still using fire ring at this point

[thick sail]

Which then just turns us off

[thorn fjord]

They prob fell behind w/e timelines they had in mind and it took them till next week to implement

[thick sail]

Like I don't have that much time to play as it is, we do 1, maybe 2 mythics a week

[gusty mirage]

it's funny you say that, because legit no one was using the annulet when they first announced it

they buffed it by so much so high end gamers would use it lmao

[thick sail]

They should continue supporting Forgotten Isles and make the ring upgradable

[thorn fjord]

I disagree with that

[spice spire]

Yeah and it’s still winnable at that point @thick sail I’m relegated to 4-8 a week. BecUse of work/raid schedule - it’s doable

[gusty mirage]

oh man that's a can of worms I can't get into, the amount of good content they just let rot is mind blowing

[thorn fjord]

I'd rather keep trucking forward than have to go back to older zones/content

[thick sail]

But make it soloable FFS, or at least duo-able. Keys are too hard to get solo or duo

[spice spire]

Also I really hate borrowed power

[runic hinge]

Also if you’re just a mid level m+ what’s like 2% loss by just using stat rings now

[gilded oasis]

they just need to change the rares health so people can solo or 2 man

[spice spire]

Like the isles were a chill time I hope they unlock more stuff

[spice surge]

If you loot treasures instead of killing rares it doesnt take long at all

[gusty mirage]

hear me out

[spice surge]

But ye they shouldnt have that much health to begin with

[spice spire]

But man I don’t want player power attached to it

[gusty mirage]

they could do that thing they did with the rares in the rest of DF

[thorn fjord]

Not if you play sub

[gusty mirage]

that scaled health

[thick sail]

Idk it seemed like a fairly significant DPS drop swapping from the Annulet to a 430 ring

[gilded oasis]

same with caverns at this point, its hard to find people to kill shit there half the time and its "NEW"

[thick sail]

But maybe I'm just dumb and wrong

[gusty mirage]

so they'd spawn with like 1 million health

[thorn fjord]

@runic hinge sub in m+ doesnt even want the ring anymore

[gusty mirage]

and it'd infinitely scale with more tags

[runic hinge]

Don’t play sub

[gusty mirage]

[gilded oasis]

Yeah idk why they didnt do scaled health

like??

[gusty mirage]

the tech isn't there ig

[spice surge]

They did do scaling

[thick sail]

Caverns I feel like, there's just no incentive to do it

[spice spire]

If you get a 430 ring on a hero track, it’ll go up to 441 which is about where you see the change

[spice surge]

Its just that the base is really high

[gusty mirage]

yeah but the problem is the baseline was too high

[gilded oasis]

I love starting at a dude with 15 mil health and looking around

[gusty mirage]

yeah

lmao

like I'd like to kill the rares in zaralek sometimes for barter bricks so I can get ponzo's hat

[spice spire]

Press evasion and let Jesus take the wheel homie

[gusty mirage]

but literally no one's doing them, and I aint about to sit in LFG trying to organize a group to do them

[thorn fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/jesus-christ-wink-smile-jesus-gif-15483760

[spice surge]

Like when it was released some of them had like 500M hp when a full raid attacked it

[gusty mirage]

yeah it was absurd

[thick sail]

Me staring at a rare with 15 million health

[gusty mirage]

they could've legit just gave them 1-2mil health

[gilded oasis]

sorry I dont understand dodge

[gusty mirage]

and just scaled it hard with more tags

idk

but what do I know

[spice spire]

Judging from the amount of lava waves I get hit by, me neither

[gusty mirage]

I'm just a lawyer, not a vidya game guy

[gilded oasis]

[thorn fjord]

Oh no dont be one of those

[gusty mirage]

bro I'm getting him a surf board for christmas

with rashok on it

[thorn fjord]

LOL

[gusty mirage]

surprise ruined ig

[spice spire]

Day 1 I was, day 2 I was below almost everyone minus a few ranged players

[thorn fjord]

Engrave the Pull count on it too

[gusty mirage]

bro if a ranged player is eating waves

[spice spire]

It dies next week

[gusty mirage]

they need to reassess their lives

they have SO much time to move

[gilded oasis]

our warlock was just barely under tank on wave eating

[spice spire]

I don’t think you understand how few hit me last night man

[gusty mirage]

was it 0?

it should be 0

you're a green name

live up to the hype loser

[spice spire]

Man

[thorn fjord]

Wheres the lie @spice spire

[spice spire]

It was like 6 in 30 pulls

[gusty mirage]

smh

[spice spire]

I’m trying to milk dog

[spice surge]

It does feel really cool to shadowstep him midjump when he jumps at you

[spice spire]

I’m running sbs I gotta do something

[thorn fjord]

Why are you running sbs

[gusty mirage]

yeah like who would get hit by 3 waves in the last 10% and die

wouldn't be me

[thorn fjord]

inting fr fr

[gusty mirage]

[spice spire]

Because I’m a simp?

For the bone spikening?

[gusty mirage]

didn't get hit by a wave all night

on the kill?

🏄‍♂️

[spice spire]

The classic

[thick sail]

Also: what's the consensus on the mega dungeon? As a fairly average player, and the probable target demographic for a mega dungeon, I'd like to share my thoughts.

The previous megadungeon was a disaster. Way overturned, way too hard. Like, if a person is casual enough that they can't successfully clear a +16 mythic, how the fuck is he gonna clear a dungeon that has 10 bosses and tons of 1-shot mechanics and is just an absolute slog?

[thorn fjord]

Wait which was the last one?

[thick sail]

And then the gear that drops there is worse than a +14, which literally anyone can do?

[spice spire]

They’re historically overtuned

[thick sail]

Like who is this content made for?

[spice surge]

Didnt they say the gear from it was on the hero track? ie 441

[thick sail]

The last megadungeon was the one where the first boss was the Postmaster or something

[thorn fjord]

ohh right

[gusty mirage]

the last mega dungeon also had the perks of one of the bosses being broken so the strat was your healer swapped DPS and you lusted and prayed

[thick sail]

And he was so badly tuned he'd just wipe your group and you couldn't do anything

[thorn fjord]

That one was mad easy comapred to Mechagon

[spice spire]

Easier but also mechanics just didn’t work

Like post master

[gusty mirage]

I sat in tazavesh

for THREE hours

with whispyr and jez

[thorn fjord]

When it dropped it was a nightmare yeah

I remember that

[thick sail]

Yeah but like, again, as an average player who wasn't a KSM in season 2, that was a disaster and so fucking demoralizing

[gusty mirage]

and their rsham who refused to use spirit link on the last boss

[thick sail]

Like why am I even playing this game

[gusty mirage]

he must've been saving it for 9.2

[thick sail]

The Postmaster bug

So bad

So demoralizing

[spice spire]

I wouldn’t sweat specific dungeons like that

[thorn fjord]

Personally i dont see why casuals would still want to play wow but thats just me

[gilded oasis]

you only get so many uses

[thorn fjord]

Prob a hot take

[gusty mirage]

yeah fair

[thick sail]

And again, like, why make this content so hard? For what?

[spice surge]

Its probably intended for people to go in and progress with their friends, like oxi said its probably intended to be like a couple of hours

[spice spire]

It’ll come out with a lot

[thick sail]

Mythics already exist

[spice spire]

I’m a casual?

[thorn fjord]

No you're not

You're a green name

[gusty mirage]

bro I spent one of those 3 hours on the last boss alone

[spice spire]

That doesn’t mean jack

[gusty mirage]

I was losing my mind

[spice surge]

Because 5 man content that is hard and not timegated doesnt exist elsewhere

[thick sail]

My gf gets so insanely stressed tanking a +15 and I was excited for Tazavesh to be a chill UBRS or BRD style place

[spice surge]

And its something a lot of people are asking for

[thick sail]

Instead it was just a garbage wipefest

Like as a place for two differently minded differently skilled players to just have fun and chill

But it was definitely not that

[spice surge]

Idk, what do you find fun and chill, just oneshotting all of them?

[thick sail]

And again, the gear that dropped was worse than we had gotten from M+ and we weren't even KSM level

So like, who is the content for

Yeah, M+ is for stress and challenge, one or two shotting bosses is chill fun

To a normal human

[spice spire]

I disagree that n+ is for stress

I find it fun. But I also don’t actively push keys

I just chill in 20s and whatever

[thick sail]

20 is higher than 98% of the playerbase

So

Your perspective is wildly skewed

[woeful meteor]

20s is what blizzard thinks everyone can do tho

[thick sail]

Blizzard = idiotic

This is why people aren't playing this game anymore

[spice spire]

Well that’s true

But also I am by definition a casual of this game, my vice is just “high”end content there are achievement hunters that just do all old achievements that are one shot but require some preplanning

[thick sail]

Like it is absolutely insane to me that there's basically no way to progress my character while playing with my girlfriend that doesn't give her an anxiety attack from the level of stress required for an average player to advance

[spice spire]

That are infinitely more hardcore to me

[thick sail]

I could certainly do +20s without her

[spice spire]

What stressed her?

Stresses*

[thick sail]

But that would defeat the purpose of why I play the game

She tanks

[spice surge]

Isnt the mega dungeon the exact thing you are asking for?

[thick sail]

It's stressful for a casual

[spice surge]

Gearing option that isnt timegated

[thick sail]

@spice surge not if it's like Tazavesh was

[gilded oasis]

This gonna sound rud ebut I dont mean it this way.. has she tried not tanking? like just dps?

[thorn fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/stoned-cat-stoned-cat-funny-huh-gif-19222132

[vestal wren]

tazavesh was outgeared day 1

[gilded oasis]

tank and healer and historically the most stressfull roles as they carry or break dungeons and get blamed for mistakes

[thick sail]

I asked her to let me tank, she felt bad and sad

[spice spire]

Oh tank is definitely stressful

[thick sail]

I asked her to heal, she says she doesn't know how

(paladin)

[gilded oasis]

cant ever catch me tanking or healing LOL

[spice spire]

I highly recommend doing dps over healing either

[spice spire]

Ur an opp

I’m also just not a healer

[thick sail]

If she goes ret, which she doesn't like, that's 2 DPS, and our queue is impossibly long, I'd rather just not play

[gilded oasis]

wtf wis an opp

[spice spire]

Onent

[spice surge]

I liked mistweaver but every change they make is making it more castery and less fisty so i stopped playing

[spice spire]

Can also post your own key and push up! Not saying what you can and can’t do, just trying to offer solutions

[spice surge]

I just wanted to do some helpful fisting

[spice spire]

I used to hpal

[thorn fjord]

Support roles 👎

[thick sail]

@spice spire true, posting our own key works well, til we can't find a healer, invite a 410 geared healer out of desperation and frustration at the queue time to a +15, fail, and the key drops

[thorn fjord]

Pew pew for life

[spice spire]

Tanking for me got infinitely easier when I learned the dungeons

Bad keys happen, we go again 🙂

I can’t tell you how many keys I’ve done where that’s the case

[thick sail]

But again, someone with anxiety isn't like "okay let's go again!" I'm all about it, I'm competitive AF

She is not

[spice spire]

And in the end, it’s just a game, it happens, we try again

[thick sail]

So again, the game basically just stonewalls noncompetitive people out of gear progression

[thorn fjord]

Just tell her to chill it’s not that serious

[gilded oasis]

I havent been there in ages but have you checked the m+ discord for people looking for groups for like the 15s range? you can sometimes find some chill people who wont make it stressfull if shit fucks up

[thick sail]

I literally had to stop playing with my friend and his wife because we couldn't time +11s

[spice spire]

Oh then take a break, walk, something that helps. This isn’t an “I’m pissed, we got this.” It’s a mistakes happen, learn and move on

[thick sail]

Because they were too casual

Imo they just need to get rid of the M+ timer

[spice spire]

But also zar has a good suggestion.

Timer is part of challenge otherwise it’s just a crawl

[thick sail]

No, I didn't know there was a m+ discord

[spice spire]

There are a few! Also some recruitment discords for m+ gamers

Etc

[thick sail]

The timer is awful in PUGs. I'll invite a DPS who's 7 item levels higher than me and he'll do 2/3 of my DPS

It's just cancer

[gilded oasis]

I cant message you and I dont want to post the invite in here but there are some

Pugging is just cancer especially if youre learning or anxious

[thorn fjord]

It’s not that bad

Like

[thick sail]

Maybe we need to break down and find a guild

[thorn fjord]

This echo chamber is weird

[deft vault]

its really not that bad lol

[thorn fjord]

The content takes like 30 min worth of research

[spice spire]

Different people have different experiences pugging

I’ve not had a bad time

Even in failure or a really toxic person

[gilded oasis]

idk Ive never had good times pugging until like 22+ keys. Every pug at 18 or below ive ever been in has been a shit show in multiple ways

[spice spire]

I just go again

[spice spire]

I’ve had this too

[thick sail]

Yeah I mean, the experiences of a person doing +20s in PUGs are pretty clearly gonna be significantly, wildly different than someone doing +15s

[thorn fjord]

Just use raider io and check the people you’re pugging with

[thick sail]

What's raider io?

[frigid girder]

@ebon notch comeback when

[spice spire]

But I literally deal with people dying daily so fiesta keys are pretty low on my stress list

[thorn fjord]

Raider.io

[spice spire]

It’s a website that has data recruitment and stuff

[thick sail]

@spice spire same, I'm an OR nurse, I am like the lowest stress human, nothing gets to me

[frigid girder]

id like to start a petition of fotmrogue comeback, who is in favor of it?

[spice spire]

But a guild would also help

[thick sail]

But she's super anxious

[thorn fjord]

Shows stats of completed dungeons etc

[spice spire]

Yeah OR infinitely more stressful than social work

[final star]

I second this

[thick sail]

@spice spire I'll try that

[thorn fjord]

Oh man I think we’re gonna blow his mind with raider up

[spice spire]

Val is too, she can’t do wow on what I play

[thorn fjord]

Io*

[final star]

fotmpadawan is looking incredible

[spice spire]

Good luck mister wild soul

[thick sail]

🤠

[spice spire]

@final star Wrong channel sir

[thick sail]

Thanks folks

[thorn fjord]

@spice spire

I like you

[thick sail]

You've given me hope

[spice spire]

#subtlety 👈

Glad to do so

[final star]

know what's wrong

[spice spire]

And yet it looks so right

[thorn fjord]

[final star]

[spice spire]

I’ve grown rather fond of you as well

[gilded oasis]

m+ is a hard beast with anxiety and not a set group/guild group/friends to just chill with . But theres people out there you just have to find them

what server are you on not that it matters much

[trail locust]

i think kbp should make a new rouge

onlky for assa

[thick sail]

Oh, our healer btw, he ruined our +14 hat was our key. Then we sat in queue searching for an hour, got a Freehold +16, and timed that

[spice spire]

@trail locust what do you think KPB stands for?

[trail locust]

kieron powerful bussy

[spice spire]

Oh no found the word

[spice spire]

It’s actually kieron poison bomb

Lowkey been a sin main for life

[trail locust]

i like my version better

[spice spire]

[final star]

[thick sail]

@gilded oasis we're on uh

I wanna say Sargeras

[spice spire]

That’s a decent server too

Also I just realized zar and I are on the same server

[gilded oasis]

Are we?

[thick sail]

Question; I've been doing M+ without DBM. I'm not sure what's wrong with it, it never works, even though it's downloaded and updated

[gilded oasis]

Do you have the

[thick sail]

Do I need to reinstall it or something

Hers works

Mine does not

[trail locust]

what you guys think if i play dh can i pick up ass ass rogue

[gilded oasis]

Did you only install the base? Theres also the Dungeon pack these needs installing and turning on in game

[thick sail]

Uh, there are definitely several DMB packets in the add on list. I'll look when I get home from work

DBM

Not Dave Matthews Band

[gilded oasis]

Yeah they have to be installed but also make sure in game, under addons, they are clicked on and loading.

[spice spire]

Yeah sin is piss easy

[gilded oasis]

Mine got turned off one day and I played like 5 months no DBM in dungeons wondering why it wasnt working

[thick sail]

I will check, thanks 🙏

[spice spire]

Yeah, it’s been bugging me for the past two days where I’ve seen the name. But you’re usually like #1-3 on the sin m+ leaderboard in MG

[gilded oasis]

Yeah Ive been slacking this season

[spice spire]

Sub gaming

Wtf dog

[gilded oasis]

Ive only been doing like 1 key a week

[spice spire]

Not much reason to do one

Outside of vault

I just enjoy the homies so I do them

[gilded oasis]

nah I love em Id do em. But my long time (like 2 expacs) group dropped me end of SL and I just havent had the motivation or heart to try to find new friends.

so I get scraps from my BF when they need a dps but other than that I just dont do them much

and guild doesnt play ever

[spice spire]

That sucks dog, I hope you find some homies to push with. Keys are truly fun as king as you’re not only doing it for the push and hate your other players kinda thing

[gilded oasis]

Yeah I love them

[cerulean nest]

I play all three specs and I don't find sin to be piss easy. there's less going on but you have to have way more foresight than the other specs and imperfect play (messing up CDs/clipping improved garrote etc.) is punished more harshly than the others IMO

slower doesn't mean easier to me

[spice spire]

It isn’t particularly slower either

It’s just conceptually simple

Considering they are playing dh and have to manage momentum

I believe they can

[cerulean nest]

yeah for sure, in comparison to that

just different

[spice spire]

Anyway, gonna finish my shift for the night, you all behave and have a great night/weekend

[gilded oasis]

[shy pecan]

https://tenor.com/view/zemo-dance-zemo-dancing-mods-offline-mod-offline-offline-mod-gif-21224795

[shy pecan]

I'd say it's a lot easier to conceptualize and learn than outlaw or sub

[spice spire]

[shy pecan]

[cerulean nest]

yeah most likely. as far as high-level execution I find all three similarly fun/challenging

in their own ways

[keen spruce]

[strange python]

Imo sin is lowest floor highest ceiling. Sub is highest floor lowest ceiling. Outlaw is cracked out zoomers.

[thorn fjord]

Zoomers prefer meth iirc

[strange python]

Either way. That spec is stupid.

[thorn fjord]

Eh it has its nuance

[strange python]

Weakaura spec. People confuse high apm for difficulty.

[thorn fjord]

I think currently sub is prob the easiest to play

[strange python]

Idk man every time outlaw is strong enough that I have to play it I wind up with 95+ logs with virtually no practice.

Just set your weakauras up properly.

[thorn fjord]

But you’re a veteran

I’m sure you parse decent on all specs with not so much effort

[strange python]

I've played outlaw for like three tiers since it became outlaw

Fair enough. Sin usually is the hardest to parse high, to me. Timings and predictiveness.

[thorn fjord]

Yeah same but it’s prio isn’t crazy and if you’re playing the other two specs at a high level it shouldn’t be too much work

[blazing jewel]

I think kir could add more skill to that spec

Slightly more to the rotation than ambush and pshot

[thorn fjord]

Funny enough that’s the opposite for me.. I always parse much higher playing sin

[strange python]

Although if we're strictly talking parsing the last two tiers, sub and outlaw are a mess of "please leave the adds up so I can parse"

[blazing jewel]

Lol right

[thorn fjord]

Yeah this tier has been nice for parsing

Last tier was doodoo

[blazing jewel]

That’s one of the reasons I send sin for reclear

[strange python]

It's really just experiments this tier for sin that gets cringe

[blazing jewel]

No degen stuff required

[strange python]

Although I'd bet we see more CT degenerate logs for echo.

[thorn fjord]

Assault too imo

[strange python]

I don't count assault

[blazing jewel]

Is ct even good on echo

[strange python]

Anyone 99ing assault is a degen

[blazing jewel]

Assault was taken off of all stars so nobody cares anymore

[thorn fjord]

Oh was it?

Nice

[strange python]

Assault requires you to not only extend add spawns, but not murder them instantly p3

[thorn fjord]

I got 7th overall on kaz last week in mythic

But it’s at 20 now 😦

[strange python]

This tier does have some wild rng swings, which I hate

[thorn fjord]

Some of the kills times straight suck for sin

[blazing jewel]

How do I find happiness after this

[thorn fjord]

Depending on your group

[strange python]

I haven't looked into parse strats for sark yet

[thorn fjord]

Hell yeah

[blazing jewel]

R2

By 300dps

[strange python]

I only have 437 trinkets and no windfury so I'll wait to care

[blazing jewel]

There’s not a lot to it imo

[strange python]

How often do you go down for sark parse

Or just play standard and dot big add

[blazing jewel]

Mostly depends what strat your guild does for p3

[strange python]

Our Moonkin goes down an extra time to get more haste

Fast push

[thorn fjord]

I’m still on zsakarn lmao

[blazing jewel]

So you don’t go down when the boss is at 15ish %

[strange python]

Yep

[blazing jewel]

Hmm

Id look at nocts or whispyrs logs for that

[spice surge]

Pretty sure theres no reason to do the echo strat now of going down at like 5:45

[blazing jewel]

I’m not familiar with those timings my guild did the normal strat so I planned for that

[spice surge]

Since the dot just does significantly less damage

[strange python]

We will also not hold p1 echo anymore

[blazing jewel]

Yea I could see that working well

And lines up for everyone’s 2 mins

The boss dies so quick during the last go down for us

My dm didn’t even finish

[strange python]

Echo DPS feels weird. But I can't tell how much I'm being griefed by having no windfury, no monk, and 437 echo trinket.

[woeful meteor]

how does corruption timer work on nelth interested how speed strat for that boss will look

[strange python]

Sepsis doesn't like up super well for the adds without holding the end of p1

[blazing jewel]

One of my guildies told me to play “the good spec” on sark last night lmfao

[strange python]

Plz lord don't say they're asking for sub

[blazing jewel]

Oh you know it

[strange python]

I'm 100% convinced sin has been better for sark since the aura buff

[thorn fjord]

Just shut that shit down like i do

[spice surge]

"Ye i havent gotten the legendary from sark lfr yet, ill swap when i get it"

[thorn fjord]

Whenever the guild talks about rogue I tell them theyre wrong and to fuck off

they usually are

[blazing jewel]

We didn’t have a single dragon in for reclear

[strange python]

All sub brings over sin on that fight is more add damage.

[thorn fjord]

Which wont make or break shit and your ST is way more valuable

[shy pecan]

Teach your guildies how to bowl properly on Sark

[blazing jewel]

That was the perfect storm of bad events but it was so funny

[ebon cloud]

watching these assa rogues compare p1's

so glad i rerolled for the rest of the tier

[shy pecan]

The only thing that comes close is beaconing guildies on Echo

[blazing jewel]

That crispy crunch sound when beacon lands on their head

[shy pecan]

[gusty mirage]

what

[ember mural]

[gusty mirage]

imagine trying to flex your p1 damage as an uhdk

out of nowhere

then disappearing

[wary ice]

I feel powerful and cool

[gusty mirage]

now imagine it's heroic

while people are discussing p1 mythic sark rogue damage

[wary ice]

shoulda done more damage

[gusty mirage]

I should delete it

but ya know

I think I'll keep it

[woeful meteor]

It's a 5 min fight, where end of the phase doesnt line up with sark p1 end

[storm belfry]

beacon is actually so insane

[tall atlas]

It’s not lime@mega op it does like 10k dps

Which I would expect from a trinket with no agi

But it is really cool

[storm belfry]

this m one is pog

i pop it and climb 40k dps lmfao

[urban mantle]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/nGVp1vG9putP16ePRfVpM9

Can someone help me to understand this report? I have many necks, none of which is better than my crafted 401. It is because of the 3 sockets? Don't know how to pick a new one as if he has sockets like my old one

[tacit otter]

click on that plus and choose "add socket". do that 2 more time on the new item until all 3 are there

[urban mantle]

I see. Thanks!

[limber lion]

[true basalt]

i keep hearing aura buff and idk what it means

[drifting cloud]

All damaging abilities increased by 3%.
this is an aura buff

its only relevant that its not actually that % because theres some things it doesnt affect like autoattacks

[vapid sierra]

How do you guys do cooldowns on sark

[balmy condor]

sepsis with deathmark, vanish on cd

[vapid sierra]

What about intermissions and that bullshit

No holding?

I remember someone saying yesterday hold at end of p2 for p3

[balmy condor]

sepsis is 1:30

you have to hold to use with deathmark

[vapid sierra]

So I just hold sepsis for dm?

If I’m holding it for dm where does vanish come into play

[balmy condor]

?

[vapid sierra]

Oh shit I see

My b

So basically just sepsis whenever you have dm and vanish on cd, ty

[balmy condor]

yap

[vapid sierra]

What about opener, do I vanish when my sepsis gar is in pandemic

[balmy condor]

yeh or when it drops

either way

[vapid sierra]

Ty

[balmy condor]

np

[dire ivy]

Imagine actually playing sark and not

[subtle tundra]

I killed sark on the last possible day before my sub expired

[jolly basin]

Is there a good AP DTB build for M+?

[woeful meteor]

no

[sweet dawn]

AP+DTB just isn't as good in M+, the only case I could see it being good is in a dungeon where you don't pull more than like 4/5 mobs at a time

But even then IC is probably better

[marble hemlock]

Could've just continued as assa after

[subtle tundra]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAA

I was outlawed

[limpid plinth]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[junior lagoon]

hello, I recently got back to the game after 2y break. I read the icy veins and the faqs, but I'm very confused about exhanguinate: icyveins doesn't spec in it because it's apparently bugged, but in the faqs it's being referred to in the rotation, so do we pick it or not :< ? Also, do we just have to deal with the fact that our cds just don't align with each other every 2min? Some are 1.5, some 2, some 3

[slim hamlet]

This shows how confusing the spec is lol

[coarse summit]

Check the most recent pinned, explains a lot

[deft flicker]

FAQ references are more like “if you happen to have the thing (which we don’t recommend) you’d use it here

[junior lagoon]

ye I already did (the one in this channel), but I still don't get it. Is exsang NEVER to be used until fixed or are there builds where it's used?

[gusty mirage]

unless it gets fixed

you will never use it

ever

so for now take it out back and shoot it to put it out of its misery

[junior lagoon]

ok thank you

[brazen zodiac]

me next

[gusty mirage]

[idle inlet]

Y'all excited for a ping system to come to wow?

[royal lantern]

sure?

game needed something like that for ages

raid Markers are not really flexible

[spice surge]

Hopefully there no bait ping

But im sure there is going to be one thats synonomous with what the bait ping is in league anyway

[royal lantern]

idk why people say that

assholes allready are assholes

nothing will change there

+most people dont really say anything anyway

[runic hinge]

When I really started playing wow again I realized how much I missed the ping system in league

[storm belfry]

I want to be able to mute the pings

[runic hinge]

Wow I haven’t even pinged you that much yet

[gusty mirage]

I can't wait to ping my guildies with question marks during raid

it's gonna be lit

[vestal wren]

pings do sound like a nice addition

think league of legnds was the first company to introduce them and a lot of games adopted it after

[royal lantern]

what

no

lmao

[vestal wren]

what game had visual pings before that?

[royal lantern]

im 100% sure you had pings in GW 1allready

@marble hemlock can correct me if im wrong

[marble hemlock]

yep

was hugely important in pvp, and also had gameplay functionality with henchmen

since most of the campaign and scenarios used multiple characters for storytelling purposes

so if you were in a party with regular players, good, if not, you had henchmen and you could control them with pings

and in pvp you used it for targetswapping etc. to "call" for a target

https://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Priority_target

[vestal wren]

oh nice, didn't know

[marble hemlock]

you could ping debuffs and shit as well for chat messages

that would announce what you pinged, i.e. spell is on cooldown, spell is ready, im debuffed etc.

[vestal wren]

league was the first mainstream game that i saw it in

[marble hemlock]

and the NPCs you played with did it as well so you would basically know what your henchmen were doing

and could play around it

there were a few ritu or mesmer builds that were really successful in pvp with just henchmen

[storm belfry]

[vestal wren]

hope they do taat in wow too

rly like how it works in other games

[marble hemlock]

gw1 was insanely ahead of its time in many aspects

like, it was really fucking good. the henchmen in pvp were fully customizable, so you basically created an NPC from scratch of a certain class, allocated their stats and skills and then through the callout system youd basically guide them and use them. compared to the regular medium-skill level player, henchmen were actually better than players lol

[vestal wren]

every system that improves on the baseline is nice

[marble hemlock]

but ye, the ping system was goated. youd call a prio target and then other players could just press a button and target the same target, youd do a countdown on coms and just burst that player

kinda like if you set a focus, others could target your focus tzarget with just 1 button

[vestal wren]

sounds rly good for ranked bgs or solo shuffel

[marble hemlock]

[blissful forge]

but how will they implement it

will it be like fortnite pinging

that you need to actually aim where you want to ping

i cant imagine how they would implement it that its not scuffed

[marble hemlock]

http://puu.sh/JKUPG/8bcf60d48c.png

[vestal wren]

they didn't went into detail

[marble hemlock]

just copy gw1

its really not that hard 😄

[vestal wren]

so we will need to wait and see what and how it works

[blissful forge]

i think if its like gw1 it will be scuffed due to many ppl using ctrl/shift etc. as modifiers

[marble hemlock]

i mean itd be a hotkey

that you assign yourself?

[vestal wren]

apex and league both have a good system, gw1 too

a lot of places to get inspiration from

think ffo has a ping system too?

[marble hemlock]

its about the core feature of
player A calls target
player B can target this target with a single hotkey

technically you can already do that if you have a dedicated caller and just do a /targettarget macro

but its about this feature being "sticky" on that target, so even if player A switches who they are targetting again, youd still get the "called" enemy

[vestal wren]

you could probably do a weakaura/addon for that functionality too

[marble hemlock]

once you have a feature like that, all you need is a customizable hotkey for "call target" and "target called target"

[vestal wren]

people don't exploit addon funcionality to the full extend

[marble hemlock]

dunno fuu

unless its a boss1 or pvp frame

you cant target enemies based on targetmarkers like skull, diamond etc.

so if you have a "caller" for smth like this, you will only be able to attack their target if they do not switch back

[vestal wren]

would need to look into the api if you can check that

[marble hemlock]

it doesnt work because if it would, people wouldve used it time and time again for interrupts 😄

you still need to manually select/focus your interrupt marked target

[vestal wren]

you can do a lot of stuff that people don't exploit atm

just because it requires a lot of effort to implement

[marble hemlock]

if 3 mobs have skull/diamond/triangle, you cant just have a macro go /cast [@diamond] Kick

[vestal wren]

for blizz to ban/restrict it within a week

[night delta]

As raid leader, having the possibility to just put a "be here" or "not there" temporary marker as I make a call is incredibly enticing

Less talking, more visual cues, faster brain circuit

[marble hemlock]

well you can place groundmarkers via hotkey if you use MRT

or just via macro

[night delta]

Yeah but groundmarkers just fade in discreetly

[marble hemlock]

depends a bit on the room/boss design

some stand out like blue/purple

but if the bossroom and mechanics are blue/purple

it kinda blows

[keen spruce]

how do you change the zone map size for the neltharion WA?

mine is so tiny

[night delta]

Yeah, also I might want to have that as permanent markers already

[marble hemlock]

/run BattlefieldMapFrame:SetScale(1.5)

try this

just put whatever number for resize purposes

[keen spruce]

that worked ty

[marble hemlock]

someone needs to fix me a proper pepeOK emote

still bothers me that the hand is the wrong way around

[keen spruce]

[marble hemlock]

no just

the proper pepeOK but like

the hand needs to be the correct way

cuz it isnt

if hes using his right hand, the thumb wouldnt be in front

[keen spruce]

fingers on the wrong side of hand

[ember mural]

Best I got

[marble hemlock]

[royal lantern]

eh, think it also helps with making people more aware

always feels like as if "stack on purple" is somewhat hard for people to notice in chaos, a new marker pinging up that says "stack here" will get your attention instantly

[marble hemlock]

ye

[royal lantern]

like, its 100% positive in all ways

if its not needed, people will just not use it

[vestal wren]

the biggest benefit is for the more causal playerbase

because you can easy communicate stuff and as mentioned make it fairly easy to guide people

[gaunt moat]

I'm annoyed by all the negativity of people about this feature. I think it's absouletly a great addition, and I can think of so many ways it will help in raiding.

[vestal wren]

huh, what negativity

everyone i talked to liked it

[royal lantern]

OMG IT WILL BE SO TOXIC

[gaunt moat]

people are saying it's not needed and that it's going to be used in toxic ways

[royal lantern]

as if people suddenly get toxic when we get pings

[keen spruce]

i just want someone to die in raid and have 19 people spam ping them question marks

[royal lantern]

man, toxic people allready are toxic

[vestal wren]

exactly, people are already toxic

[gaunt moat]

I think it's actually going to be very useful in hardcore raiding.

[royal lantern]

they dont suddenly turn into that cus we can ping stack symbols

[vestal wren]

absolutely

[royal lantern]

its for both

[vestal wren]

but random groups have a lot of communication problems

[royal lantern]

i mean, world markers are allready limited cus most fights use all of them by default

[gaunt moat]

This is huge for raid leaders

[vestal wren]

while the top end might have better visuals, but already are good in communication

[keen spruce]

great for accessibility

good feature

should have been in the game several years ago

[gaunt moat]

Exsang should have been removed 5 months ago

[royal lantern]

hey, better late then never

[vestal wren]

i like to think more positive about it. And give them a 👍 for introducing new features

[keen spruce]

notter why magmo not dead

[gaunt moat]

you're raiding today, no?

[keen spruce]

ye

today and tomorrow

[gaunt moat]

you'll kill it pretty quickly i'm sure

[keen spruce]

did you guys kill it?

[gaunt moat]

yes

[keen spruce]

did they private log again

[gaunt moat]

yes

[keen spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/john-c-reilly-motherfucker-angry-pissed-off-mad-gif-11627105

[gaunt moat]

i had a 10% log, so eh....

[keen spruce]

[gaunt moat]

not my fault though, healers decided i don't require healing

twice.

I gotta show you this.

this is me when i was marked for the soak everyone needs to stand in:

[royal lantern]

just cloak

[gaunt moat]

was on CD

[royal lantern]

just cloak bro

[gaunt moat]

that's when i was marked. healing recieved over 7 seconds before dying:

ONE HEAL PLEASE

Then I got ressed and died instantly.
and then i got ressed again.

[gilded oasis]

but did you cloak?

[gaunt moat]

[gilded oasis]

I would have pinged for you to cloak

I think it would have helped

but that sucks

[strange python]

Spittle?

[gaunt moat]

?

[keen spruce]

[strange python]

Is that during spittle?

[gaunt moat]

I don't know the ability name. it's when he marks 3 targets, and one of them get a circle you gotta stand in

[gilded oasis]

the mythic soak

[strange python]

Ye spittle. Pretty cringe they aren't spot healing.

[gilded oasis]

maybe notter was mean to the healers earlier and deserved it

[gaunt moat]

I defintly was mean after.

(joking, i'm never mean)

I wonder if i can do anything to do better on echo of nerltharion
our feral is kicking my ass in dps.
and feral is even getting like a 6-7% buff now.

[gusty mirage]

drop shrouded for 3/3 zold

cause you hold DPS in p1 anyway

you catch up in p3

[gaunt moat]

So far we never had to hold DPS in p1. we're actually cutting it pretty close.

[gusty mirage]

yeah when people get more comfy you'll start doing it

and it's dogshit

and I hate it

then in p2 eventually the boss will get immune on last add

and you're sitting there playing with your balls

[strange python]

We've stopped holding now in farm, I actually liked holding. Sepsis timing doesn't line up with adds at all anymore.

[gaunt moat]

If we'll reach that, than yeah, 3/3 zold seems very reasonable
but that's a big if

[gusty mirage]

ngl I understand WHY we held

but it didn't really seem super high impact

ala KT

[strange python]

True

[gusty mirage]

like we've pushed early before

and nothing bad happened

lmao

[gaunt moat]

I'm just kinda dismayed at feral getting buffs when it's already doing top dps

[gusty mirage]

ig cause you technically get some extra "milk" time while he's casting?

[strange python]

It just feels.weirf not having sepsis for the adds

[storm belfry]

[gusty mirage]

gm king

[storm belfry]

Gm oxi!!

[gaunt moat]

that's actually something i was wondering.
how do you use sepsis at phase 2?
go full on adds, or imp garrote on boss, and then move to add?

[gusty mirage]

boss for sure

then 2nd add you vanish gar boss and add

and then continue the payphone singing

[gaunt moat]

and DM boss?

[gusty mirage]

yea

esp after they nerfed the radius of the hearts

it's not as spooky anymore

[gaunt moat]

we're rogue, nothing spooky for us

[gusty mirage]

so the other dps can focus on the adds

[gaunt moat]

ah

[gusty mirage]

you just crankachino the boss

then boss dies

then you get ass fucked in p1 on sark

it's great

[gaunt moat]

It's gonna get nerfed by the time we get there

[gusty mirage]

p1 could use a bit more of a nerf

ngl

the p2-p3 oblivion overnerfs were too much imo

[gaunt moat]

i don't agree with seli that rashok is bad for assassination

it's actually perfect timing

[gilded oasis]

the last DM timing sorta stinks cause theres not really enough time at the end to use 4set much but its useful timing if you're going into enrage I guess

[strange python]

Careful. Boss might go immune on 3rd add.

[gaunt moat]

The bigger share of the damage is during the DM than the trialing set buff anyway.
if you kill it right before enrage, it's perfect for sin.

[strange python]

Top echo logs were sending sepsis into the adds, I think.

[gusty mirage]

top logs are likely farm logs

where they know they're gonna hit immunity on the boss anyway

ya know

[random tiger]

Oh...

[worn pilot]

Guys weird question but is there like a baseline amount of haste you would like?

[vestal wren]

there is no baseline amount

the amount you should have is what the sim tells you

but the spec works well even with 0 haste

[worn pilot]

Ye that’s what I thought. I didn’t know if I was fried or what. It told me crit haste and I was like alright sick. Just figured I would ask

[random tiger]

i just now realized that sepsis grants you a free use of a stealth skill, now i understand what the opener mean, it means to delay the first stealth garrote to near the end of the sepsis dot?

what happens to the second one that you can do when the dot fades?

[idle inlet]

The first sepis garrote isn't as important as the 2nd

You wait until the buff is about to drop off because no matter what you won't be able to hold it long enough to make it to pandemic

[random tiger]

ok, so the first stealth garrote is going to drop anyway w/ sepsis opener so there's no point in trying to refresh it early? is that what you mean?

[idle inlet]

Yeah so what I do is garrote anytime between 0-5 secs left on my first sepsis buff

[deft flicker]

Usually when doing sepsis garrotes you want to use the first one asap and hold the next one till you can refresh in pandemic

During opener you have the opening garrote active when you press sepsis, so the first sepsis garrote isn’t as important. You still want to hold second one for as long as you can

[idle inlet]

Then I wait until the last possible global to garrote when I get the 2nd sepsis buff

[deft flicker]

Can refresh a bit earlier if you’re afraid to lose sepsis proc

[random tiger]

ok, so opener makes it complicated because of the opening garrote, but beyond that it's basically stretch them apart as much as you can to benefit from pandemic?

without loosing both oppurtunities

[deft flicker]

Yep

I think each sepsis can give you like 40s of empowered garrote if you do it right

[random tiger]

that does sound pretty massive if you can pull it off right

[deft flicker]

Not that hard to do, just always Sepsis - Garrote - Shiv (since you save a Shiv for it as well) and delay the second Garrote

[random tiger]

oh no not shiv

[idle inlet]

Lol fitting name

[deft flicker]

I mean what else would you spend it on

[random tiger]

that has been consistently the hardest thing for me to do in this rotation for some god awful reason

[deft flicker]

Save at least one foer Sepsis, save both for Deathmark

[deft flicker]

Blue name checks out

[idle inlet]

Just get a weak auras or make one that tells you when to shiv that's what I have

[deft flicker]

Sub/law don’t care about shiv as much

[idle inlet]

I made a weak aura that tells me to shiv when I'm about to cap on charges or during sepsis or death mark

[random tiger]

that sounds amazing

[idle inlet]

Yeah it's kinda complex if your self taught and I'm sure mine isn't very efficient but if you learn how to make weak auras they can help you perform so much better

Especially being able to customize them to match your needs

[keen spruce]

okay magmo better die today so we can have an hour to troubleshoot nelth WAs

[idle inlet]

Ugghhh the nelth WAs gonna be annoying when we get there

[royal lantern]

you think 1 hour is enough

we had people that said they had WA problems on the fring kill pull

[keen spruce]

[desert inlet]

You don't even prog the boss

It's a WA prog

[deft flicker]

Wario prog

[keen spruce]

does this mean i'm benched

[gaunt moat]

why

@keen spruce you got anyone streaming?

[keen spruce]

me

[gaunt moat]

Everyone raid him

so we can laugh at him

[earnest remnant]

BET

[gaunt moat]

shmeeps raid are so confidant they don't even bring 20 people

[earnest remnant]

based af

[vapid sierra]

Shit I missed the podcast

[balmy condor]

Same

[vapid sierra]

Aren’t you on it? 💀

Do you know when it’s gonna get uploaded to YouTube

I’m assuming sometime in the next 24h

[gusty mirage]

It'll be uploaded to spotify & itunes podcasts in the next day or two

[deft flicker]

They had to bring Oxi in as a substitute

Smh my man

Hope you had a good sleep though

[frozen iris]

Is there a way in raid bots to see what ilvl neck piece i would need to replace elemental lariat besides droptimizer?

[idle inlet]

There is no easy way

[gusty mirage]

my recommendation would be you use a crafted neck as a baseline, and just set it to dif ilvls

[idle inlet]

You can do gear compare to see if a new neck is good enough to replace

[gusty mirage]

and then top gear

[clever sapphire]

Get a 385 neck, craft toxic boots/wrists and the 385 neck gonna be better already

[gusty mirage]

if you need help with it lmk

[keen spruce]

hold 3rd deathmark for potion on magmo?

[gusty mirage]

yes

you won't get another cast

[vapid sierra]

What about yt

[gusty mirage]

I'm not processing and uploading it to youtube

so it won't be uploaded to that

could ask ronkles to do it

[balmy condor]

I woke up at 6:30

[woeful meteor]

AM pr PM

I know it's Pm but timezones are still annoying

[gusty mirage]

p sure he means AM his time

he wasn't there because he had a personal emergency come up

[analog mica]

After opener is it just better to hold sepsis for DM if it’s not lined up or send it

feels awkward sometimes

[royal lantern]

you send sepsis on CD on most fights

the empowered garrote will carry into DM

[cobalt hemlock]

is there a twitch vod for those who didnt catch the whole thing?

[gusty mirage]

seli might have one

would have to ask him

[analog mica]

[idle inlet]

Boys my guild finally got an enhance I'm gonna fucking scream it's finally wft time

[gusty mirage]

whose child did you sacrifice for this

[idle inlet]

My own it was bloody. Definitely worth it though

[cobalt hemlock]

wait until they say assa doesnt get enough value and put all the other melle in the group

[idle inlet]

No the only people above me in prio are our 2 warriors

[gusty mirage]

wait until you realize prot warrior gets more dps than sin rogue in wft

[idle inlet]

Yeah it does but that's k cuz I'm still getting it lol

[gusty mirage]

also if your warriors are fury

they should not be ahead of you

in any circumstance

ever

[idle inlet]

Yeah no they are arms and prot

[cobalt hemlock]

just hope yo dont have havoc or frost in the raid too

[idle inlet]

No we have neither of those so one of our pallys is getting it

[blazing jewel]

I’m going to pi you in raid

[gusty mirage]

ok

[blazing jewel]

Then we can purple parse together

[royal lantern]

[gusty mirage]

as long as my guild doesn't have an issue with my damage

I couldn't give two fucks about parses

[blazing jewel]

It’s the true endgame

[gusty mirage]

those numbers are strictly for people to flaunt around in discord to make themselves feel better about themselves

sure

if that's your true end game

do you king

but that's not mine

my end game is to kill bosses as fast as possible

[blazing jewel]

[gusty mirage]

and I'll do whatever it is to get there

everyone should play this game in a way that's fun to them

if that's big parses

you have my support 100%

[blazing jewel]

Oxington I’m the boss right now

Kill me

[gusty mirage]

nope

[blazing jewel]

[gusty mirage]

You have a lot more you need to contribute to the world

you may not realize it, but you're a great dude

and you have a lot to offer

[blazing jewel]

[gusty mirage]

have a beautiful saturday my friend

[oak sky]

If kyle has a million fans i am one of them

[blazing jewel]

Go eat some good food Oxington

[gusty mirage]

I made buffalo chicken wraps for lunch

:3

[blazing jewel]

Where did you find a whole buffalo

[gusty mirage]

I grow them in my basement

[blazing jewel]

Nice free range buffalo

[woeful meteor]

Basement big enough for a buffalo farm

[gusty mirage]

ofc

[blazing jewel]

[woeful meteor]

Should have enrolled in law studies I guess

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/billy-madison-adam-sandler-dont-you-say-that-dont-you-ever-say-that-gif-4705254

[blazing jewel]

Tamaran poking the bear frfr

[gusty mirage]

aw

I was hoping the gif was the entire scene

https://tenor.com/view/billy-madison-cherish-it-gif-5272845

[blazing jewel]

Is this you when someone tries kibbeh for the first time

[gusty mirage]

no

I eat alone 99.9% of the time

[blazing jewel]

BRB driving across the country for kibbeh

[woeful meteor]

BRB driving swimming across the country ocean for kibbeh

[blazing jewel]

[storm belfry]

[keen spruce]

@gaunt moat

i unde;rstand now

i died at 1:03

[gaunt moat]

[gusty mirage]

told yall

everyone thought I was crazy

people think rogue is some unkillable god

so you just fucking die all the time lmao

[spice surge]

Ye like wtf can you do on magmorax, pop vial on cd for a dps check boss?

You have your leech i guess, but besides that you just die