assassination

[gusty mirage]

EP was goated though

[earnest remnant]

dont agree with that

[storm belfry]

mine?

[peak bobcat]

Ep was goated

[earnest remnant]

i absolutely hated

the last 3 bosses of that tier

[vestal wren]

orgozoa was fun

it migth be nostalgia but wd - hfc and legion had the best raids i remember

[gusty mirage]

wod had some banger content

but it didn't have enough content

[vestal wren]

i can't personally say if fight design got better or worse

for m+, newer dungeons are in general more thoughtfully designed

but legion dungeons had a lot of charm

[gusty mirage]

dathea and anduin

definitely worse

[vestal wren]

and legion basically still carried sl

[royal lantern]

BfA had BoD

BoD is still imo the best Raidtier we ever had

[thorn fjord]

Nighthold was solid content

Argus was great too

[vestal wren]

i did like some fights in NH

[thorn fjord]

And I felt EP was the best tier of bfa

[vestal wren]

krosuss esp. on the first kill was insane

[thorn fjord]

Uldyr was fucking awful

Shit aesthetic

[vestal wren]

when you had the bridge crumble and hoped to kill the boss before you unavoidly die

[wary ice]

🌊 😨 🌊

[thorn fjord]

Oh yeah that was fun

[vestal wren]

and the fight was simple

sitll a lot of fun

just shows that sometimes simple fight design can be great

[thorn fjord]

Tomb would have been cool too if the KJ fight wasn’t such cancer lol

[vestal wren]

think tomb was rly good on hc an mythic if you cut out the last 3

[thorn fjord]

Yeah pretty much

Maiden wasn’t too bad tho

[spice spire]

Legion is the new boomer xpac

[thorn fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/big-daddy-hellyes-gif-26450264

[vestal wren]

didn't hate avatar, but we had too much balls when fighting the lady and the old dude

[spice spire]

I can’t even partake man wtf

[vestal wren]

started playing after legion?

[spice spire]

Took a long break

And legion was part of it

[thorn fjord]

Unfortunate

[spice spire]

Missed siege wod legion and most of bfa

[vestal wren]

bfa is a interessting xpac

[spice spire]

I didn’t mind it

[thorn fjord]

That’s a nice way of saying poo

[spice spire]

A bit had change for sin while I was away

[vestal wren]

because you either loved it or hated it

[thorn fjord]

Yeah I hated it

[spice spire]

So I think that tarnished a bit

[thorn fjord]

Sin was good during bfa tho

[spice spire]

8.3-now is my current play through

[vestal wren]

i am in a hate - love relationship with wow

its complicated

[spice spire]

I mostly really like the game

But the people make it

[wary ice]

BFA had some of the best dungeons and raids imo

[thin scroll]

Jaina fight was great

[wary ice]

everything around it made it absolute ass tho

azerite was a pain

Like i remember actively abusing item restoration to game it - and that was after it was fixed

[vestal wren]

i found jaina to be boring

corruption was a good idea, but the roulette early on was terrible

[wary ice]

im very happy corruption happened but i never want it to happen again

[vestal wren]

also think corruption was one point you find a lot of opinions on esp. on how well it fit with assassinaton

i think history repeats a lot for wow

legendary items had the aquisition problem

azerite had

corruption had

[wary ice]

I think they've been desperate to find away to make characters feel unique within themselves

ie: to make my rogue feel different from your rogue

and their solution to that has been "well if we randomize power, people will have to play to what they get"

[vestal wren]

i think df has a lot of potential

[wary ice]

and thats basically been the iterations from legion to SL

[analog mica]

Rng on rng on rng was giga not fun

[vapid sierra]

I feel like most people wouldn’t mind that short term if they were all balanced the same until they could get the one that they seemed to find coolest

I cant speak much on the system tho. I didn’t start playing till after

[wary ice]

IDK its kinda impossible in a PvE centric game imo

something will always do the most

[vestal wren]

eon did show how bad rng can be

[wary ice]

and being locked out of that either due to choices or rng can feel very lame

[vapid sierra]

Oh for sure

But as close as possible

Something within 2/3 percent

Look at outlaw, regardless of balance 95% are on ho

Gotta make them all fun/unique and close in dmg. That’s just my thought tho

[wary ice]

outlaw players are weird tho

this is like the 3rd expansion wher epeople are actively playing worse builds cause they dont wanna press a specific button

[vapid sierra]

It’s not that

It’s the gameplay style changes a lot

And it’s just generally harder

And in raid situations with downtime or aoe settings with a lot of variables, sometimes it isn’t worth the extra effort

A lot changes brtween the two. Reroll rules. Builder rules, cooldown usage rules

[loud gull]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[woeful wigeon]

what the best way way to sim for a fight like assult ?

[analog mica]

outlaw has a fair amount of buttons, ho makes it slightly less

That’s all the reason I need really

[half dawn]

rashok progression makes me wanna unsub

if it doesnt die today im unsubbing

[keen spruce]

rashok fun af tho

[half dawn]

🤔

[royal lantern]

its the best boss this tier lol

[weak horizon]

Guys I'm starting to think there won't be substantive sin changes in .5

[rain oyster]

There won’t

Empty promises

[spice spire]

Major dev for the project a family emergency so they got pushed back

It wasn’t empty

Just unforeseen and really sad

[weak horizon]

Oh damn

Unfortunate

[half dawn]

fuk we killed rashok

cant even unsub now

[keen spruce]

you're gonna be missing rashok

in about 10 pulls

[blazing jewel]

[gusty mirage]

its okay let them learn that

everyone's so glad when rashok finally dies

little do they know

that they just killed the best boss in the raid

by a mile

[subtle stream]

Sorry bro

[peak bobcat]

I wonder how zskarn is

[keen spruce]

we killed it yestarday

certainly better

still poo

[frozen gorge]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[vapid sierra]

We were progging rashok before I left

Glad I could end my tier with rashok

[tiny leaf]

Quick Q - how big of a dps diff is Slimy VS toxic boots?

[hollow vector]

What's the target breakpoint of spamming Ct vs envenom in aoe?

[tiny leaf]

I believe 6 and above is CT
5 and below is Envenom

[hollow vector]

Ty

[gusty mirage]

varies from person to person, but roughly 250-450dps

[tiny leaf]

cheers!

[untold mortar]

For me 900 last time I simmed

[gusty mirage]

comparing 447 slimey to 447 toxic?

no shot

[balmy condor]

it's technically possible

slimy is mast>vers
toxic is hast>crit

so like

if they're coming from a very sub heavy gear set or a very vers heavy outlaw set

the stats swing to toxic as well

would just need to swing really hard

[woeful meteor]

was 700 for me when I swapped

[neat rain]

Are any of the trinkets in 1.5 gonna be viable replacements I'm just getting back

[balmy condor]

don't look like it

there's some weird trinkets from the megadungeon

but they seemed pretty mediocre on first glance

and have been getting tuned back and forth

so hard to tell

[neat rain]

So dice from freehold is still the way to go

[balmy condor]

dice, beacon, bomb dispenser, class trinket

chromatic in raids is really strong

fragment is technically not THAT bad either

but it is a bit worse than dice

[half dawn]

ok boys

i think im done with raiding

xd

[spice spire]

[half dawn]

rashok broke my mental, zskarn just did a finality on me

[balmy condor]

rashok was the best boss in the raid

:(

[half dawn]

not with my guild unfortunately, but we killed it today

[spice spire]

Pull count

?

[half dawn]

on rashok>?

[spice spire]

Yeah

[half dawn]

let me check

whats the website called

where u can check pull count i forget

[gray crest]

warcraftlogs

[spice spire]

https://progstats.io

[half dawn]

not logs, there is antoher one lol

fak

ty feline

[spice spire]

Any time

[gray crest]

theres pull count on warcraftlogs under the progress tab

[balmy condor]

^

[half dawn]

im too tired

to figure out warcraft logs dogshit UI right now

[balmy condor]

warcraftlogs has one of the better UI's

[gusty mirage]

I have a friend that pulled rashok 201 times

[spice spire]

Diagnosis: weak mental

[half dawn]

nah this season is just dog

[spice spire]

Bro just @thorn fjord

[half dawn]

m+ is dead / no fun

[gray crest]

average rashok pull count imo

[half dawn]

this is real pain

[spice spire]

M+ isn’t dead but boy am I not a fan of most of the dungeons

So I semi agree there

[gusty mirage]

https://clips.twitch.tv/CuriousAnnoyingTireKeepo-msXHXIiu_BH_cXWa here's a clip depicting his mental: warning really loud

[gusty mirage]

nah kittenz

[half dawn]

this is me but internally

[gray crest]

omfg did kittenz take 200 pulls on rashok

[half dawn]

nah m+ is deadge

[gusty mirage]

yes

[spice spire]

Now that’s a menty b if I’ve ever seen one

[gusty mirage]

tragic really roujin

[half dawn]

the dungeons are shit

the affixes we can't help wtih are shit

mandatory shadow priest is shit

(not every key, but most)

[gusty mirage]

no every key this week

because they can dominate mind the incorporeals

and it puts the healing debuff on the mobs

kinda sick for sanguine

[spice spire]

Dks can also

[half dawn]

yeah

i mean

[gusty mirage]

yeah but fuck DKs

how about them apples

[half dawn]

ofc they are mandatory

[spice spire]

So they’re not mandatory

[gusty mirage]

for sure

[half dawn]

but u dont even get invited over hybrids

that can deal with shit

[gusty mirage]

doesn't make priest mandatory

[half dawn]

and still do your damage

KEKW

[spice spire]

Bro I had a rat dk squad rolling

[gusty mirage]

PI

mass dispel

a fuck ton of damage

[half dawn]

healer population is legit fucking decimated

[gusty mirage]

you right

spriest totes not mandatory

[dusk shoal]

Yeah healers and tanks recently have been pretty questionable

[spice spire]

I know I am

[half dawn]

well they made healing harder

and we get this shit

[thorn fjord]

I’ll have you know it took us 187 pulls to kill Ras

[spice spire]

Gz

Didn’t realize you’d killed yet

[thorn fjord]

Killed the fuck last night after two nights of roster boss issues

[spice spire]

Reprog or extendo?

[thorn fjord]

Extending

[half dawn]

but yeah, m+ being bad is main reason i feel done af

[thorn fjord]

But fourth tomorrow 😑

[spice spire]

Makes sense

[half dawn]

also who wants to log to raid on locked out progress on zskarn

not me kekw

[spice spire]

Yeah new guild isn’t raiding either so I start rashok Thursday

[gusty mirage]

understandable

[thorn fjord]

Sucks because the pull before the kill I was at 125k about to pop off then we wiped… would have been another top 20 parse 😢

[gusty mirage]

if you're just not having fun you're just not having fun

[thorn fjord]

Good luck… if your group can avoid waves you guys are Gucci

If not preparate

[spice spire]

I shall.

[gray crest]

I know t he feeling. I nearly got a 100% parse on echo of nelth due to PB procs but we wiped. we killed it later that night and I ended up with a 40

[gusty mirage]

BP?

[gray crest]

pb*

my brain no work

[thorn fjord]

I got 1 out of 4 crits on beacon

Got like a 54 or something

[thorn fjord]

I realized not running m+ has kept me ok with wow for the time being lol

[gusty mirage]

meanwhile oxipal is rising

how dare you abandon the chosen one

[solar patio]

So I’m new to rogue and want to do raiding and m+ ideally on 1 spec. Is assassination good enough at both or would I have to use multiple specs?

I’m 2.6k on my spriest main, so I’d like to do 20+ when geared up. Is sub easy to pick up or should I just stick with assa if I’m not pushing for r1?

[balmy condor]

sub is generally easier than assa

[solar patio]

Oh cool will give it a try then - got put off due to multiple specs but I guess I’ll keep a lot of the base kit

Thanks for the motivation haha

[versed mica]

How

Oh in m+? Nvm

[balmy condor]

Yeah nvm is right don’t ever ping me again pal

[versed mica]

[balmy condor]

I’ll suck your toes ong

[versed mica]

[spice spire]

What’s sub doing that’s difficult blud

[blazing jewel]

Damage

[versed mica]

I would play sub but the rules to optimize DPS are annoying and boring at the same time

I would prefer to play sin in M+ even though it's more complex

I play ol tho

[soft shale]

well we are joined in the tab target rupture

[versed mica]

I just don't like to think about what I'm casting in shadow dance tbh lmao

I just want to smash button

[blazing jewel]

Sin in raid is

[versed mica]

It's spicy

I usually just play outlaw one trick but some fights this raid feel better as sin

[spice spire]

Eh sin really isn’t much different than like

The past 3 years it’s just new buttons

[versed mica]

Yeah, that's another thing. I've played it so much it just feels comfy to play

[blazing jewel]

Maybe for you sbs enjoyer

[keen spruce]

mut mut env

mut mut env

mut mut rupture

o a button lit up

push button

mut mut env

[versed mica]

Sin really shines with pepsis

Pepsis+shiv line up, and maximizing empowered garrotes feels nice

[spice spire]

Even with sepsis

[blazing jewel]

What about bepsis

[spice spire]

What changes outside of some minmaxing improved garrote windows

[versed mica]

Bepsis

[blazing jewel]

Listen here buddy guy

Go pet George

[spice spire]

Stepsis

[blazing jewel]

And think about what you said

[spice spire]

I will when I’m home

Wtf

[blazing jewel]

He needs his glasses

[keen spruce]

[shut owl]

sub is very easy to get into; just macro everything to everything else and go wild

[soft shale]

just crit every time

[ebon notch]

Sofo sin was the last exciting sin

So much minmaxing

Shame it sucked in multi target

[spice spire]

Mfs gad a crumb of Exsang and call it exciting

[ebon notch]

Better than using a bugged exsang for 6 months straight

[elder jasper]

so I haven't done many keys this week due to schedule, and I'm using the DTB/Incarn build for M+. I was wondering what talents I can get rid of for gouge just for incorp weeks

[woeful meteor]

master posiner

[oak sky]

It was better exsang brethren

[balmy condor]

yeh

instead of a shit sandwich

it was a shit sandwich with mayo

[oak sky]

Raw

[elder jasper]

I don't see Master poisoner

[balmy condor]

far left

[elder jasper]

not talented into it anyway

[balmy condor]

???????

what are you talented into

[woeful meteor]

everything in that row is useless

take whatever without breaking the routing to later talents

[elder jasper]

I went atropic and nimble fingers

on that row

the far left

[woeful meteor]

atrophic is probably the one that sucks the least

then remove nimble

[elder jasper]

swap nimble to gouge?

[woeful meteor]

ye

[elder jasper]

then afterwards should I be talented into mp?

[woeful meteor]

im confused now just link the talents you use

or screenshot them

[elder jasper]

gimme a moment

[balmy condor]

this should be the default setup for most people

you drop master poisoner for gouge there

[spice spire]

My point exactly except Mayo is worse

[elder jasper]

okay cause I went nimble from master poisoner for more survivability

[balmy condor]

how does nimble give you more survivability

its just an energy reduction

if anything it's a dps talent

[elder jasper]

I'm not as starved after using feint or vial

[balmy condor]

yeah

that's dps

[elder jasper]

best defence is a great offence lmao

[woeful meteor]

idk do this

[elder jasper]

I'll fixthat right away

[woeful meteor]

tricks kinda useless on sin, but blackjack even more

[elder jasper]

well this is for M+

I don't see how tricks is useless, especially when I have a tank that cannot hold aggro

[woeful meteor]

and you dont do enough burst for tricks to matter

fury, devo still rip aggro through it

[desert inlet]

tricks is good at pulling for my tank since he has little dk legs

[woeful meteor]

that is true

[elder jasper]

thanks

😄

[balmy condor]

#assassination message

had a rant about that earlier

if you wanna read that

[elder jasper]

I'll def take a look later

[balmy condor]

endwyr has a point too though

if you're pulling 2-3 packs at a time

and you're with a slow tank that can't pull them together quickly

it could have a use there

but that's honestly a bit niche as well

[spice spire]

@gaunt moat 99% sure it is done for you but happy belated

[shut owl]

exhausted; but its done. world #100 for sin :>

[balmy condor]

[shut owl]

I should start streaming again

start feeding like 3 people the masses terrible meme strats like sepsis M+ builds

[balmy condor]

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-michael-scott-i-will-kill-you-kill-kill-you-gif-16432800

[shut owl]

Internal bleeding is another stack of LD; therefore its mandatory; as is doomblade + sepsis. yw for this knowledge; may it serve you well in your anecdotal 48 second dummy tests where you clearly outperform silly dslice sims
/s

also, TTB

ty for putting up with all my nonsense

[gaunt moat]

Thank you!

[final star]

@blazing jewel what stats I need

[blazing jewel]

brain cells

[final star]

[blazing jewel]

all of them

report whispyr for that command

[final star]

I have no idea what you're talking about

[balmy condor]

[blazing jewel]

[void mesa]

Is it good that I enjoy being the only one in my group not cleaving adds? Am I finally embracing the assassination life??

[balmy condor]

It’s the Assassination way of life

[versed mica]

Bruh cleave makes your ST better homie wym

[void mesa]

Cleave bad

outside 2T cleave which is okay ish

[balmy condor]

It’s not much I’m gonna be honest

And most of the cleave that’s available is like add dies in 15 seconds gg

You just kinda slap a rupture

[void mesa]

Slap rupture, use FoK when theres a lot of adds

[balmy condor]

And then get +5% single target

[void mesa]

thats it

[balmy condor]

Yeh

[marble crest]

since the week is coming up, how do you maintiain high damage on tyrcannical weeks? i often find myself struggling because assassin doesnt have a huge burst, so by the time my damage starts getting anywhere the pack is pretty much done

wait why am i sub i didnt mean to click that oops

[balmy condor]

Assassination has the biggest burst out of the three right now

Deathmark is big single target

You just make sure you have Deathmark for bosses

[versed mica]

Tfw you use deathmark in pvp and an evoker cleanses it off or a dwarf stoneforms it off :))))

[shut owl]

just don't play dm in pvp

[balmy condor]

Just don’t pvp

Why would you do that

[shut owl]

you can play around with sepsis or ST style builds depending on if you're pugging or not and how you're pulling. not worth in most cases, but there are edges

[spice spire]

Outlaw main, doesn’t play CttC, now pvping.
You’re lucky I have one brain cell and can’t count because idk how many strikes that is

[marble crest]

oh i didnt know i havent rly played the othrs

i tried but they just werent for me

outlaw has like a rly weird forced input lag i just couldnt get behind

and i used to main feral so rogue is just like a harder feral

assassination*

[balmy condor]

Yeah harder and worse

[marble crest]

TRUE

its still more fun tho

i didnt like the change they made over the season

the class is like 5 buttons after you stealth

and u dont liek i but pvp is so much rmoe fun as assassin t han feral imo lol

[versed mica]

Epic xmog is a DPS increase, I thought you of all people would know this smh

[balmy condor]

Pvp doesn’t have those

[woeful meteor]

Pvp tabards and illusions go kinda hard

[deft flicker]

For the glory of Pillar Men, of course

[burnt latch]

hi fore raiser do i never haev crimsee tempurt for boss ? Ply for single do i press crimsee too liek jailer kill or no apply one target? Tyty

[vapid sierra]

crimson tempest on one target like a boss in m+

No

Only 2+ targets

[burnt latch]

So no presser wen one target?

[vapid sierra]

And if you use crimson tempest In raid unless ur on rashok ur build is wrong

[vapid sierra]

Yes

[burnt latch]

Ok grea tyty wil try fore rashok

[vapid sierra]

No crimson tempest on rashok

Crimson tempest only used for aoe/mythic plus build

Grab a single target build from faq

For optimal performance

[burnt latch]

O ok ty i read wrong here apoligies

[oak sky]

herbie you need to play "poisoned katar"

[burnt latch]

hm ok wil try

[blazing jewel]

herb have you tried pepsis on rashok

very strong for prog

[burnt latch]

Coca zero beetr XD fore me

[blazing jewel]

I know hes a big wall for a lot of guilds so you may need the pepsis power to overcome the challenge

or even the forbidden feral druid tech

[burnt latch]

i haev itshy skin fore pepsi idk is weird only drinker coca zero fore me

[blazing jewel]

[vapid sierra]

Is herbo a troll

[blazing jewel]

herbo is better than 99.99% of this discord

[vapid sierra]

Make him a shadow

#herboforshadow2023

[blazing jewel]

@burnt latch do more damage

[burnt latch]

Is try but never knower when it happen fore good dmg proc + crit XD pray fore star

[royal lantern]

til: im the 0,01%

[blazing jewel]

[vapid sierra]

I’m the 0.001%

From the bottom

[strange bronze]

What are you guy's thoughts on dumping combo points on envenom for poison bomb procs vs Crimson? if tons of mobs are stacked ive been keeping envenom as dump and keeping crimson tempest dot up. seems to spike better.

[royal lantern]

thats the "optimal" play

[strange bronze]

if not stacked so well I crimson

[royal lantern]

but doesnt really matter

[strange bronze]

I know it all washes out

but

is it because poison bombs arent reduced beyond 8 targets?

[clever sapphire]

i always saw it as: CT is a dot so why would that be better than poison bomb which is kinda instant dmg

[strange bronze]

depends if they are stacked

[royal lantern]

CT also does instant dmg

[strange bronze]

and how much you will also get out of it

[clever sapphire]

well ye it does, but my brain says CT is dot, dot no need to spam

[strange bronze]

its almost like sub

and doing shuriken storm/Black powder

but you got to pick and choose based on stacking and dmg output it seems

[royal lantern]

except wirse in all ways

cus fin is worse then shuriken storm

[strange bronze]

for sure.

[royal lantern]

and ct is worse then powder

[strange bronze]

I main sub and will say that black powder is op

[royal lantern]

not op

just

stupid

most boring ability possible

i mean, it doesnt even have an animation

[clever sapphire]

change it to pepper powder

[royal lantern]

thats how low effort bp is

[clever sapphire]

enemies turn red that got hit by it

[blazing jewel]

nerf sin aoe in keys smh

[clever sapphire]

everything is already so bad for sin in M+, i cant even come up with something dumber to say

[royal lantern]

yeha

fan of knives throws your daggers away, you need to loot and equip them to use it again(cant equip items in combat)

[clever sapphire]

make CT an on use item, you have to talent into CT so you can craft it yourself and only if you are talented into it can you use it

it costs 10 gold to make one CT item

so 1 cast

[next arch]

It used to have DFA animation afaik

[opaque cliff]

Max Stack size is 10

[torn atlas]

Black powder also really sounds lile it should be a pirate ability

Why a ninja using gun powder

[royal lantern]

its not gun powder

its SHADOW POWDER

(no really)

[austere fulcrum]

do u guys think we ll have some different build or playstyle with 10.1.5 ?

looks like everything same to me tho

[gaunt moat]

0 changes

[quasi ledge]

Nothing has changed, so no

[gaunt moat]

so no

[austere fulcrum]

🥲

[clever sapphire]

ye you wont be wearing onyx ring because it gets nerfed (oh wait with good rings you already didnt use it)

[normal otter]

really 0 changes? I mean Assa is an f tier spec in everything right now xD

[gaunt moat]

yes

[clever sapphire]

it does okayish ST dmg

[deft flicker]

Tier

[gaunt moat]

best i can say, it's not as bad as WW

but everything else is getting buffed in 10.1.5
sin will drop further.

(except ww, it loses)

[normal otter]

ye but i mean its absolute ass in m+ right now. The setup you need to make dps is really ridiculous in comparison to other specs. And if you have setup your dps in not even average

[clever sapphire]

dunno, i only doom about my assa dmg if i played sub before

atleast in M+

sure its shit

but its not as bad as it gets painted, imo

[normal otter]

ye but the fact if you compare a good sub to a good assa the dps difference is like what 60-80k? And the setup the assa needs to do his dps is way way way harder to play and to manage

thats just bs 😄

imo at least

[clever sapphire]

oh well thats true

thats why i said i only doom if i played sub before

im not saying its bad, but for the usual 20 pugs i did

i was topping meters usually in overall

[royal lantern]

well yeha, thats what this channel is saying for over 6months now

doesnt need to be insane aoe

just....not suck so hard at it

and also some form of aoe that you can take in raids without turning yourself ussules lol

[normal otter]

thats not the point. I do play it very good and its much fun for me. Its just depressing if youre always getting compared to a two button class which does like 3x your dmg

[royal lantern]

fun, yeha sure

[normal otter]

they are reworking every class, assa gets shit on

[royal lantern]

df assa is 1 of the best modern assassination version we had imo

(gameplay wise)

[normal otter]

well, we need a 45 seconds cooldown to be viable in aoe otherwise we are fucked.

[clever sapphire]

SL S3/4 assa with deathspike was more fun

[normal otter]

if the tank chain pulls we are fucked. You have to stay in stealth until everything is collected meanwhile everything is on 50% hp xD

[royal lantern]

thats part of the "aoe problems that need changes, and giving a aoe option withlut gimping everything else" thing i mentioned

[royal lantern]

assa likes chainpulls

[night delta]

more like don't mind

[royal lantern]

50% chainpulls are your dream scenario lol

going into next pack with full stacked scent of blood+enough energy generation that you can spread bleeds fast? yes pls

[clever sapphire]

restealthing after everypull just wont happen but its not as big of a thing as you would imagine

[gaunt moat]

Well in case you've missed it, for now it seems like rogue rework is scheduled for 10.2

[night delta]

I personally prefer big 40s pulls so I can carnage every pack

from stealth is added bonus

[normal otter]

xD

[gaunt moat]

yeah sure, except it nullifies like 2 of our talents completly. fun.

[royal lantern]

if you play assa in m+, pain IS fun for you, wdym

[gaunt moat]

true

[clever sapphire]

just dont take MA and ironwire like me, now you didnt lose those 2 atleast

[gaunt moat]

[shut owl]

the secret tech here is to remove IW +ShroudedSuff; and spec into doomblade +sepsis >;3

unironically, that's my "I don't trust this pug group to not be a shitshow" build

you'll never not have a stealth garrote on your IC again!
*(the poster of this nonsense is not liable for any unbuffed IC garrotes the reader may experience)

[subtle tundra]

Assa isn't harder than sub

Me when me when ic me

I hate this expac

[normal otter]

youre not getting the point. To be usefull with assa you need way more than asa sub

which just presses 2 buttons

and does 2x our dmg

[subtle tundra]

I don't get any point cause I didn't read anything other than what I replied to

Assa isn't harder than sub

[shut owl]

for m+? I'd say sub is pretty cruise control; particularly if you're running dark brew

[subtle tundra]

and assa is harder?

[normal otter]

to setup for your average dps, assa is harder than sub

[clever sapphire]

assa harder because i have to open my eyes to do dmg

[subtle tundra]

assa cant get any easier than how it is rn

in aoe

[shut owl]

its more buttons; and fewer macros. different setup required imo. Have to play a bit more reactively for sin compared to sub; while I just have to make sure my macros are up to date every once in a while

[normal otter]

not going to discuss that out with you. Youre missunderstanding the point 😄

[subtle tundra]

my point is very simple

[normal otter]

Im not talking about the difficulty of assa compared to sub

[clever sapphire]

assa cant get easier true, it also shouldnt, but sub is even easier

[shut owl]

I mean... sin could get easier. we could have replicating shadows or some nonsense. But I don't know that it should

[subtle tundra]

well i dont even have game time, what do i know!

[clever sapphire]

im in the same boat since 1 hour ago

[normal otter]

sin is not hard to play at all. Fkin simple. its the SETUP assa needs to be any usefull compared to any other class

[subtle tundra]

what a fucking setup!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! PRESS IC

FUUUUUUUUCK

i almost fell off my chair

off to the gym

[clever sapphire]

but Varas, did you consider if he plays AP

[normal otter]

my tank pulls 2 mobs i stay in hide pull IC press garrote and rupture, tank pulls 5 more mobs and im fucked

[clever sapphire]

there is no IC in AP/DTB

[gaunt moat]

Varas, you're oversimplifying it with pretended ignorance.
it is more complex than sub. period.

[subtle tundra]

i have played both

whatevs

[clever sapphire]

oh thats easym you dont stay in stealth. You dot them up, if he pulls more then you press IC

[normal otter]

ofc but if your tank does that 3 times in 40 secs, what do you do?

[clever sapphire]

i dont press IC up to 3 mobs unless i know there is no way to pull more

[normal otter]

your IC has 45 secs cdf

[clever sapphire]

is there any dungeon where thats possible? it never happened to me atleast

[normal otter]

freehold?

[shut owl]

bad habit I spent the last month fixing was IC in stealth between packs. would ruin me in non-organized stuff

[clever sapphire]

freehold has first pull, then a 4 target pull, then another 4 target (or 8 in lower keys/or a good group)

[normal otter]

current pack goes 10%, tank pulls new pack --> you have no vanish, youre fucked again

[clever sapphire]

but why do you need vanish 🤔

[night delta]

if IC isn't up because last pull

[shut owl]

FH is a wet dream; tons of 8 target pulls

[night delta]

setting up all the bleeds on a chained pull, and being done when the mobs have already hit 50% is disheartening

[clever sapphire]

i dunno, i legit only pugged this season and i only ran into these problems at the very start of the season

after that i realised how pulls kinda work and where i can IC and where i shouldnt

its not that hard really

im not saying its good or anything

[normal otter]

because you cant restealth if your tank cha9in pulls so you dont have empowered garrote

[night delta]

too bad many Pug tanks don't know for shit our IC timings

[normal otter]

and youi can IC since its on cd

[night delta]

pulling willy nilly

[normal otter]

if you have a tank which plays around you, assa is perfect, if not its shit 😄

[clever sapphire]

you play around the tank, he doesnt play around you

thats pugging world

no matter which spec

[shut owl]

may I once again point out my sepsis meme build

[clever sapphire]

put in sbs and im happy with your build

[shut owl]

I'd put sbs if it wasn't specifically for pugs

but we're here for imp gar IC fishing

[clever sapphire]

id put sbs specifically for pugs

[shut owl]

nah

too many gcd's spent on sbs that coulda been spent on CT/Env

[clever sapphire]

lets say it that way, i didnt have any problem topping meters in random pug 21-22s

anything above i wouldnt even think about pugging

and restealthing was never my issue, i just IC without stealth and done

if a tank is doing multiple smaller pulls its not timed anyways

[normal otter]

ofc i do the same but just because the other dds are shit 😄 if i play my spriest i shit on everyone else

[clever sapphire]

thats a given

[shut owl]

that's about where I'm at. Usually if I'm being diffed in meters its because I'm memeing some weird shit build or the rando is actually a main of whatever FotW is and is actually in a raiding guild 😛

[normal otter]

IC without empowered garrot ist -50% dps

[shut owl]

if I run into a sub in pugs I make it a point to dunk on em if I get FotM vibe

[subtle tundra]

Im getting brain dmg

[clever sapphire]

exactly

[subtle tundra]

Fucking ic hit me

[limber lion]

Doesn't really work like that but go off

[shut owl]

honestly I prefer the stealth for getting 3 garrotes in a row without needing IC more than imp garrote in most cases

[clever sapphire]

i dont think i ever got beaten by a fotm player in keys unless they were maining that spec to begin with

[shut owl]

fun opener on FH: Garrote the first 3 dudes with tricks, sepsis or vanish, then IC opener while standing by the dude under the tent. usually places your bleeds on not that first group.

then just pray you've gotten a beacon and let it rip 😛

[clever sapphire]

sounds complicated, probably works, wont try it

[subtle tundra]

Don't you have to give up dtb to get sepsis?

[clever sapphire]

i dont have bacon, i dont have good trinkets, i dont have gametime, i wont play FH since i dont have gametime

[subtle tundra]

😃

[shut owl]

why would you ever do that?

[clever sapphire]

not with his meme build

[shut owl]

her*

[subtle tundra]

😭😭😭😭

[clever sapphire]

ahs sorry

[shut owl]

IW + SS are my dropped talents for pugs

[subtle tundra]

I support you

Just so you know I will flame you if we get in the same key

[shut owl]

I don't run the sepsis for uh... organized

[subtle tundra]

Won't happen cause I don't have gametime

[clever sapphire]

i ran a few organized keys, well after that i went back to pugging because they were better

[shut owl]

got a last minute nelth last night; tank and his friends ran up the right side to check chain tech before putting key in... then proceeded to not even bother with them in the key proper

[subtle tundra]

I have groups to play with, just don't like doing m+ as rogue

Rn

[shut owl]

pugs are wild sometimes

[clever sapphire]

the fact that the only stuns really needed are aoe stuns makes me wanna unbind gouge/kidney shot usually

made me*

[shut owl]

yeah; not the best feel. though handy for hail of stone in uld

[royal lantern]

yet people still say rogue is "best cc in the game"

[solid mica]

Gotta go tauren

[clever sapphire]

well thats true, and i kinda use gouge/kidney as a kick if the mob is stunnable

[shut owl]

never

never go cow

[clever sapphire]

im gonna play a fotm class before i do that

[solid mica]

Aoe stun

[shut owl]

miss me with that model tho

[clever sapphire]

ye it stuns me too how ugly that is

[solid mica]

Female tauren with pigtails do it

[clever sapphire]

people stuck in world pvp content or i dunno

[solid mica]

Everybodys just pissed they got kidneyshot in goldshire in 2005 so thats all they remember

[clever sapphire]

imma play a panda before i play tauren

[shut owl]

KS/blind/gouge is up more often than chaos nova i guess? just different.

[clever sapphire]

its just usually these are up for stuns that got missed by the noob aoe stunners

or kicks if everyone kicked

[solid mica]

Should get and aoe kick thats just bicycle kick

[royal lantern]

wanna talk about stormbolt and shockwave

and how stormbolt is just better then kidney in all forms at this point

allrrady was tbh

[broken ibex]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[clever sapphire]

but ye tauren rerollers are like dwarf rerollers, they are either the top 0.1% or they suck ass and need that racial

[royal lantern]

"rogue cc is insane" was always a minigame mode thing

[clever sapphire]

only time i felt rogue cc being insane when i got ganged by an evoker/rogue duo whilst leveling an alt with warmode on

and i got hit by an 8 second kidney

into cheap cheap gouge

or some shit like that

[solid mica]

Even still thats pvp

[clever sapphire]

ik

thats my point

[solid mica]

Prey on the weak should be baseline

[shut owl]

rogue, your job is cc not dps, be thankful we brought you

[clever sapphire]

is that the armor reduction thingy talent above SD?

[solid mica]

It amps damage from ALL sources by 10% when in kidney

From everyone

[clever sapphire]

ah that one

10% on a mob that can be stunned, seems useless

[solid mica]

But u cant get it cause our tree sucks

[clever sapphire]

usually mobs that are scary cant be stunned

its there for pvp players

thats about it

[solid mica]

I mean yeah theyre not gonna let u kidney a leuitenant

Its really good in keys

[clever sapphire]

lemme kidney the boss

[solid mica]

The boss in uldaman 👀

[shut owl]

inb4 sin rework: "we added the bleed to kidney shot passive and made it follow DM copy; enjoy casting it in DM for LD stacks"

[night delta]

And good ole barghast

[burnt latch]

Sin rework

[clever sapphire]

so many memes in 1 message

god damn

[subtle tundra]

And we are balanced around it but it doesn't work on bosses

[shut owl]

we made KB a choice node with exsang; and changed its cd to 4:45.
any more cursed rework ideas?

[clever sapphire]

we moved SBS to AP and made it into a choice node there

seeing as both are cleave talents

and both have the same impact

[shut owl]

beautiful

[clever sapphire]

another blizzard move would be making it so dots inside DM do 10% more dmg and get doubled like now, but now DM snapshots dots like exsang

[shut owl]

god please no

[clever sapphire]

but the snapshot part is only a bug

that wont ever be fixed

because we are not warlocks

im glad i dont have gametime anymore, i dont have to deal with blizzard anymore (atleast until rogue changes come in 12.0.5 and i have to buy gametime again)

[runic terrace]

Guys, now that Assa is okayish: Do you use imp. Tricks for +15% dmg for a raidmember or is it a miscalculation of mine?

[spice surge]

Thats a pvp talent

Those do not function outside of pvp, ie in raid or mythic+

[runic terrace]

Ah, I see... stupid me😅

[gaunt moat]

what the hecc
what happened

[clever sapphire]

assa rogue broken confirmed

[gaunt moat]

I think it must be that more and more guilds have past he first 4 bosses
and are now reaching pure ST bosses

[clever sapphire]

rashok progress probably ye

[gaunt moat]

and without PI, sin might be actually rank 1 on boss damage

Is fury bad at ST?

Alright, so i went over all the encounter and checked boss damage
And it's actually completly the opposite of what I assumed

Looking at the overall boss damage, will lead you to think assassination deals great ST boss damage comapred to other specs.

Actaully what we're seeing, is that assassination is doing ONLY boss damage on some of the encounters that include AoE

[clever sapphire]

well thats to be expected

if you are doing anything else as assa you are kinda trolling

[gaunt moat]

specifically, asault of the zaqali.
So I think this one encounter is the reason why sin just jumped 14 spots.

[gaunt moat]

That depends on composition, but that's not the conversation.

[thorn fjord]

Juice

[errant swallow]

How?

It's just sub on that fight is so mind less

[gaunt moat]

I'm not sure how's that relevent

[clever sapphire]

Misunderstood your point sorry. And yap that fight could be one of the reasons

But im unsure if that would result in that high of a jump

[gaunt moat]

looking at other fights, it's only echo of neltharion where sin is somewhat high on boss damage

and on zaqali assault the gap is so huge, that it skews it by a lot

[winged veldt]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[winged veldt]

hmmmm no sims linked anymore ><

[cerulean nest]

does BIS sim use crafted helm?

[gusty mirage]

no

[cerulean nest]

links arent working in whispyrs sheet

[winged veldt]

The last one he had def had crafted helm, haste mastery

[gusty mirage]

why would he use the crafted helm

in "bis" gear you're swimming in mastery

what makes a crafted 447 haste/mastery better than a super heavy haste tier helm

because no assassination bis profile ever used the crafted helm

[vestal wren]

to be fair

head did sim equal to other tier set replacements

so its not that far off

bugs/etc might pushed head profiles slightly higher

[pure moth]

That was the only thing that was different between your sheet and his. But his definitely had a haste mastery at one point.

[vestal wren]

yes

thats why i mention it, both profiles at that time ended up with the exact same output

[pure moth]

Yup

[vestal wren]

dropping exsang did slightly move it away from it

but still not a significant/high diffrence

[sick aspen]

was a fix ever put in for sims for the fragment?

[gusty mirage]

no

it's a weird interaction with just mutilate

so probably not a priority for people who do the items

[sick aspen]

ah, hrm ok

[errant swallow]

Honestly crafting helm felt right so I could play sub too as needed.

[vestal wren]

head makes a lot of sense for sub/outlaw

because you don't have a head with good stats this season

[gaunt moat]

Mutilate is one button, but it hits twice (main hand and offhand)

[thorn fjord]

Should I hold on to this haste mastery ring from raid for next week?

Wondering if it’ll suffice or if I’m going to need to farm a crit/mastery one from m+

[woeful meteor]

I swapped of onyx with a haste mast np socket m+ ring so should be fine

[gaunt moat]

But it is in fact 2 abilities, with one button.
What I'm getting at, is that it might be intended.

Might not. But doubt we'll see changes.

[spice spire]

That’s correct.

[random tiger]

I got my rogue to the point my guild could carry him, and the other rogue was asking about if i was specced into exsanguinate...I was trying the sepsis build recommended in the FAQ, but i'm getting mixed messages about it, because the FAQ says its still go to to use exsang especially with 4/piece but i didn't see mention about the bug making it dead that's being mentioned here.

[woeful meteor]

none of the talent builds in FAQ feature exsang only the text above it

[random tiger]

kk, just making sure I wasn't going crazy, ty

but if they ever do fix it i'll want to use it once i have 4 piece, just ofc not during deathmark

[woeful meteor]

if they fix it you use exsang again, but I personally doubt that

[random tiger]

i'm guessing right after deathmark it ends and you get that nature damage buff from 4-piece?

if it did work right

[woeful meteor]

you use exsang before mark

[random tiger]

OH

i get it now. you use it before hand so the deathmark ticks faster, but doing it after cuts duration in half, therefore b a d

[woeful meteor]

yes

[random tiger]

roger, i'll try to remember that if they ever fix it, ty for clearing that up

[cerulean nest]

im upgrading that one to 447 next week and crafting a crit mast one

should be fine

[thorn fjord]

Yeah its already an upgrade now at 441

[violet jackal]

!whisype

!whispyr

[thorn fjord]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/d1ZW5AaXEh3egoxUgapWNQ

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[thorn fjord]

Weird tho

Somethings going on with enchants and gems somewhere

[violet jackal]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[winged veldt]

ask him but the sim linked to the top assa dps spec DEFINITELY had crafted helm with haste mastery. Spreadsheet link is gone now but it def did

[vestal wren]

we discussed it earlier

^^

[winged veldt]

ah i see, disregard lol

[misty holly]

I've always been disappointed that this game doest fully embrace the dexterity required to weild 2 weapons. They should represent fighting with 2 independent weapons by separating the key binds between main hand/offhand. Sort of like shiv does already, but they could expand that to like having to press 2 buttons simultaneously in order to mutilate, or building combo points with each hand separately and spend them on different main hand/ off hand attacks.

[thorn fjord]

Nice looking good https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/mVkqgQcBo3gngXrTGp1MDb

[surreal citrus]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1077641716628197396/1125841721176109096/image.png irideus gaming (I have bomb dispenser)

[tacit otter]

why no crit flask for bigger number????

[thorn fjord]

Proggies

[tacit otter]

rashok?

[thorn fjord]

We killed him Sunday thank god

Start szacarn thursday

[tacit otter]

then back to bigger number sim poggie

[thorn fjord]

interested in seeing the numbers after ring nerfs next week

[tacit otter]

all i get is 4 pieces to 447 reaching 132k ^^ got 2 crafted rings gladly

[cerulean nest]

you can see em now in advanced

[thorn fjord]

Oh yeah?

[tacit otter]

you can put ptr=1 in the header of the expert mode in custom apl at the bottom of your sim:) to check for ptr updates

[deft flicker]

Add “ptr=1”

[thorn fjord]

Thats all?

[tacit otter]

it sims with 10.1.5 changes if you put that in the header

[thorn fjord]

So add that in the simc output line or in the custom APL box?

[tacit otter]

here

[thorn fjord]

gotcha ty

Sick everythings looking pretty good

Ty @tacit otter

[scenic thunder]

I really don't like that beacon to the beyond meta, when it crits its like "damn, i'm strong af", when it don't crit its kinda "meh"

The cast too, i don't like it at all, where in the opening are u guys using? My opener is like
Garrote > Slice and Dice > Mutilate > Mutilate > Rupture > Beacon ...

[tacit otter]

thats the correct way to use it, so you do perfectly good:)

[thorn fjord]

You should Gar SND ER Rup beacon Sepsis DM Shiv gogogo

[scenic thunder]

I'm using ER with envenom, after my pre pot
Garrote > Slice and Dice > Mutilate > Mutilate > Rupture > Beacon > Sepsis > Deathmark (with pre pot) > Shiv > Echoing Reprimand > Envenom

[tacit otter]

ER instead of mut was a optimization couple weeks ago, its generally better

[thorn fjord]

Not much of a difference

[tacit otter]

but not by much

[scenic thunder]

I was using rupture with ER when playing exsanguinate

[thorn fjord]

Yeah it’s more optimal

[scenic thunder]

And double garrote on opener

[thorn fjord]

But it’s not a huge deal

[scenic thunder]

It still better today? I don't mind changing it

[thorn fjord]

Yeah what I sent you is the optimal opener w/o exsang

[tacit otter]

just go like this one and you'll be fine

[thorn fjord]

Timings line up nice you’ll be sending your second gar right before your second shiv

[scenic thunder]

Garrote > Slice and Dice > Echoing Reprimand > Rupture > Beacon > Sepsis > Deathmark (with pre pot) > Shiv > Mutilate > Envenom then?

[thorn fjord]

Usually get a BS proc too

[scenic thunder]

I'm fishing for logs, so every improve i'll accept

[thorn fjord]

Shiv to Env usually it’ll land on an er cp

If not then mut

[scenic thunder]

If crits right

I got it

[thorn fjord]

Usually just bad luck if you gotta mutilate after the first shiv

[scenic thunder]

I'm playing in a more casual guild, we're only 3/9M, i can't farm logs in mythic yet

But i got a 96 in Kazarra

And my heroic looks like this

[thorn fjord]

Good shit

[thorn fjord]

Ain’t nobody playing sin lol I’m 294 overall on heroic with pretty solid parses lol

More people started playing tho I was like 94 last week

Before last reset

🤷‍♂️

[scenic thunder]

Assassination is the least played class in mythic+ right now 0.1% in raider.io

They really need to do something about that

[thorn fjord]

I don’t even play sin in keys lol

[scenic thunder]

I really like to play sin in keys, but idk, shadow priest have shadow crash every 20s

And our carnage is 45s

[jaunty dew]

Shadow priest is also desirable for their toolset

They can deal with all affixes

[scenic thunder]

Not only that, but we get cucked by chain pull

Like, the ONLY class, that get cucked by chain pull

[spice surge]

This is a meme

[wooden radish]

it'll be some time before rogues will probably get some help, dev in charge isn't able to work atm or something like that

[scenic thunder]

Because restealth is just bullshit

[spice surge]

Assa is signficantly better with chain pulls

Because you have ruptures up already

[jaunty dew]

So?

[scenic thunder]

I don't think so

[jaunty dew]

Our major dps is IC -> Garrote

[scenic thunder]

Empowered garrote is our main damage

[spice surge]

Its not

[scenic thunder]

And we just have 1 vanish (unlike sub zzz)

[spice surge]

I cba arguing, but im sure you can search this channel for any of the 100 times whispyr has explained it and shown sims

Having ruptures up already is way more impactful

[scenic thunder]

When they nerfed exsanguinate they said something about a rework on assa

Lets see that

[craggy oak]

lower IC cd is not what fixes sin

jsut playing higher keys solves the IC being on cd issue

[scenic thunder]

I don't think thats true either
When the adds survive our garrote (18s) we can't reapply on all them, just rupture

And that makes our damage go to the floor

Spending 2 cgcds to generate combo point and reapplying rupture on each add

[drowsy plaza]

is it worth it to try and gear for assa raid and sub m+? or are their secondary stats too different

[thorn fjord]

They work

For M+ you'll want crit/mastery on sub

[scenic thunder]

While that, shadow priest press 1 key, reapply ALL dots, ALL TIME, 100% uptime

[woeful meteor]

and thats terrible design

[craggy oak]

^^

imagine palying a dot class and not having to multi dot

sin rn

[thorn fjord]

@woeful meteor Terrible spec if we're being honest

[balmy condor]

[wooden radish]

did they? I don't remember that, do we have the same dev working on rogue as we did in SL?

[balmy condor]

Brothers got them 2008 looking ass talking points

[craggy oak]

when they nerfed exang back at start of S1 they said it was temporary and future changes will happen with exang - or at least something along those lines, exact wording i cba finding.

the rework was alluded to in 10.1.5 in a post saying rogues were getting "significant playstlye/gameplay" changes - again something along those lines - but got scapped/pushed we dunno

[balmy condor]

Delayed

[craggy oak]

confirmed?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[craggy oak]

v nice

wowhead post or did realz say on here?

[balmy condor]

On here

[gusty mirage]

fragment is bad for assassination

[wooden radish]

wait when did he confirm that?

[craggy oak]

#assassination message

[cerulean nest]

anyone using fierce armor kit over lambent?

[balmy condor]

Gonna be honest, I don’t even know what the difference between those is

[woeful meteor]

lambent is the one with vers

just sim it

[cerulean nest]

fierce has more primary

extremely minor lol

[spice spire]

Within margin one might say

[thorn fjord]

i cant believe its not butter

[cerulean nest]

one might

[balmy condor]

Poggers

Now that’s what I call meaningful choice volume 78

[cerulean nest]

hey man

we take what we can get since being full geared 1.5 months ago

dopamine is hard to come by these days

[spice spire]

126.7 isn’t full geared

[balmy condor]

Honestly enjoy it

Can play other games

[cerulean nest]

https://tenor.com/view/nerd-ackchyually-actually-gif-11156171

[spice spire]

+27 dps or bitches u choose

[cerulean nest]

other than the couple weeks of annoying wyrm crest obstacles, i dont want them to change it at all

feels great gearing up quick

[thorn fjord]

it does but it doesnt

Like i dont want to play the game now outside of raid

have like zero drive to

but yeah what whispyr said we can play other games lol

D4 has been CRACK

[cerulean nest]

i say that as someone who only cares about raiding btw

im happy to raid log, plan ahead for fights etc. and play other things

[subtle stream]

Yes.

[thorn fjord]

There with you mostly @cerulean nest once i got 2500io i stopped pretty much

[cerulean nest]

yup. m+ until it stops serving me for raid then bare minimum

fun getting portals then just vibing

[thorn fjord]

If D4 wasnt out i wonder what else i'd be playing

[runic hinge]

play with this

[thorn fjord]

Only if you bring smokes 😉

[runic hinge]

deal

[subtle stream]

Is it worth going tempest for assault? And… can you just focus the mystics then fight everything else by the door?

Is cheesing it just getting both mystics and sending most dps to the far side to focus the boss?

Stupid questions, but /meh

[gusty mirage]

before you used to be able to skip the mystics spawns completely

they seemed to have fixed that

new method is you just giga blast boss, all dps goes far side and just phases boss

and you burn

so tempest probably aint worth

[craggy oak]

might be in the minority here but i think we get gear way too quick, and the rng feels bad ( my group only seen 2 beacons and 0 bombs across all 3 difficulties) and not seen either in vault - would like to see them tone down gear aquisition rate and add bad luck protection.

[cerulean nest]

being able to upgrade to 441 is kinda that bad luck protection though, takes no time to farm heroic

[subtle stream]

Just let the mystics tick?

[cerulean nest]

obv youve been extra unlucky though

[gusty mirage]

yep when boss phases to the middle its kinda irrelevant

[craggy oak]

needs to drop to be able to use that

[cerulean nest]

yeah I mean, this long in with no drops is a special case lol

[cobalt hemlock]

is zskarn after the changes still super hard to kill or its easier now

[sweet dawn]

On mythic experiments we just run ST sepsis right?

No wacky AP cleave stuff?

[balmy condor]

ye

[balmy condor]

it's much easier

still terrible gameplay wise

but it's very scripted now

so you should be able to progress is much quicker

[strange bronze]

am i really supposed to be wearing all 5 of my set pieces?

head piece as well BiS? or is wowhead outdated

[tacit otter]

we just started him last wednesday and killed it after 10 real tries on sunday. its pretty easy now i would say

[novel arrow]

Is this week a 2/2 Splinter week?

Or 1/2?

[balmy condor]

great question actually

I've lost track

and people can grab splinters from vault now

so it should be different depending on the person

but it came out may 2nd right, so that was a 2/2 week cause you got the first for free

so then the 9th was a 1/2, then the 16th was a 2/2 again, 23rd would be 1/2, 30th would be 2/2, june 6th would be 1/2, 13th 2/2, 20th 1/2, 27 2/2