assassination

[stiff geode]

nps at all, answered best as I could 😛

[odd notch]

Best flask?

versa or crit

[abstract jacinth]

Most scenarios it’s vers 90% sure, can’t do damage when you’re dead

[odd notch]

saw guides say versa, but so did sub for the start on patch. but with the new uptime on ragepot its prefeered

didnt see any comments on that on faq or pins here

My bank would be happy if it was versa, crit flask hella expensive 😛

[pallid spear]

Usually it's crit

[gaunt moat]

I would say depends on how much rage flaks benefits you.
for me it's like 300-400 dps
that's not enough for me to care about

[pallid spear]

They're even at around 60% uptime for my character and actual uptime depending on boss is 85+

[gusty mirage]

crit more damage, but during prog it's entirely on you to determine if its worth the HP loss

vers is suggested because it's the safe option

flat damage increase & flat DR

and no extra damage taken

[dark token]

Crit everywhere except rashok prog

[royal lantern]

crit everywhere including rashok prog

its rashok as rogue man

the 1fight where i feel invicible

[gaunt moat]

Feint is omega broken on rashok

[gusty mirage]

you think so?

I've had this debate with stealthi already

it entirely depends on your healers

people assuming because you can feint the leaps & group soak that it's free

are high as fuck

[earnest remnant]

[gusty mirage]

it do be that way

[royal lantern]

i mean, i was on monday

does that count?

[gusty mirage]

you're still playing rogue in Q3 of 2023

so yes

we're all high

[earnest remnant]

yeh im farily tall

[gusty mirage]

fairly cute too

[earnest remnant]

says u

[ashen rover]

Hey, is the onyx annulet simming properly ?

[gusty mirage]

yes

[minor gate]

At this point I think playing rogue doesn’t sim properly

[ashen rover]

Lmao

i can't get rid of it yet

[minor gate]

It ain’t .5 yet

[crystal crystal]

is dungeon slice not good to use? it's showing me slimy is better than toxic

[gusty mirage]

slimy is better in aoe than toxic

slimy does aoe around you, toxic hits one target

[crystal crystal]

got it. pin says toxic is better in all situation, so wasn't sure. makes sense though

[limber lion]

And haste has less value in AoE anyways, so losing some ain't hurting as much

[gusty mirage]

mostly because assassination's aoe is awful

so optimizing for aoe is kinda monkas

might as well do more ST damage to the prio target & bosses if you're going to play assassination

ya know

[crystal crystal]

yeah i hear ya

[gusty mirage]

but yeah if you plan on ever dipping your toes into sub or outlaw

and you mostly do keys

slimy are a-okay to craft

[dark token]

Also if you ever soak a puddle in the last phase

Ur deadzo without healer

[gusty mirage]

homie my rashok prog ruined me

[dark token]

If overwhelming rage procs? Gone

[gusty mirage]

I always felt like I was dying

magmorax? same thing

sark?

same thing

only boss I was chilling on was neltharion

[dark token]

Heal diff

[gusty mirage]

I got ptsd now

every time I take damage I instantly vial

even if its like 5% of my health with nothing else coming in

[earnest remnant]

only boss i felt i was in constant danger was Zskarn

[dark token]

I cheesed it so

Felt chill to me

Still haven't killed new version

Is it easy now or

[earnest remnant]

its easy, but still a very shit boss

[idle inlet]

Can someone tell me what a good up time percent is on crit flask

[dark token]

80% or higher

Below this % I consider using vers

[idle inlet]

For sim purposes sorry

[dark token]

100%

Max ur sim

[limber lion]

I just use 80%

No point doing 100%

[idle inlet]

Cool

[limber lion]

80% is slightly lowballing it as well

You'll see anywhere between 80-90% most of the time

but better to lowball than to go too high

[idle inlet]

Does it show in wcl your uptime for it?

[limber lion]

Yes

[idle inlet]

Cool I'll have to test it next week progging experiments

Any boss it's just a bad idea to play it on?

[limber lion]

Nah you can play it everywhere

If you're a lover of placebo and think that your raid group can kill bosses by you switching a flask on some bosses, go for it

But 99.99% of the time it won't matter

You taking slightly extra damage won't wipe your raid group

[idle inlet]

Well the placebo effect has cured cancer before so I won't underestimate it

[limber lion]

I know some people who panic whenever the rage thing procs and you get a mechanic at the same time and they use every single defensive cd in the world which is not ideal

So if you're one of those, maybe dropping it can help

Rage procs, boss does big aoe then you press cloak, health pot, health stone, feint and vial altogether

[idle inlet]

Lol I don't even have vial bound rn I'm not pressing all those at once I want to live later

[limber lion]

Vial not bound?

That's a bit troll

But yeh

[idle inlet]

I'm fighting the power

If blizzard metrics sees vials cast rate too low they will buff it

I'm gaming the system baby

Plus we have average 440 ilvl and we're on experiments so like I don't need it yet

[dark token]

When I first played rogue I had a macrod called panic, which pressed cloak, evasion, feint, crimson vial all at once

[idle inlet]

Is vial on gcd now or no?

[limber lion]

Yes

[faint crescent]

Hows onyx annulet perfoming in next patch after nerfs, worth to use?

[idle inlet]

It's deadge

[faint crescent]

Aight, thanks 😛

[vestal wren]

all 3 specs replace it, assassination already replaced it now if you had good rings

[pure moth]

I have the 2 good rings and it still wants me to use it. Baffling

Atleast with patch i have the replacement

[high berry]

What are considered good rings? Crit/mastery and 447?

[woeful wigeon]

what yousee about good rings ? cause i have massif 441 rings still says its strash XD on the onyx dus it really need to be 445-447 ? to be better

[runic hinge]

those are my 2 rings and they outsim

[vestal wren]

you can try put in crafted rings with the text file from #tc-research

[untold mortar]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/k18e3tuMuYKSA8rt9iHG9B

craft ring is -335 for me

[runic hinge]

Try haste/crit

or haste/mastery

[untold mortar]

oof

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/jTZNkaH4rSEhiWerVTd9Bx

ty

[runic hinge]

Yeah, eventually my sims were directing me to more haste, figured it would be the same for you

[untold mortar]

i got one spark. not sure if i craft boots or ring. obv boots sim higher but i guess i get a new spark next wednesday

[pure comet]

Do evasion have any use in m+?

[vapid sierra]

Yes

Big use

Essentiwlly makes you immune to all physical damage and aggro

[pure comet]

Got it

[loud light]

the big thing with evasion is you just have to learn which things it works on and which it doesn't, since it's not really consistent

some aoes you can, some just hit you anyway

[balmy condor]

Not “all physical damage and aggro”

That’s selling it pretty hard

Physical spells will tear through you

Empowered auto attacks sometimes can’t be dodged

It works on some charge abilities but not others

Abilities that “pierce” the target like spears and arrows and shit usually isn’t dodge-able either

[dull cloak]

it does work on some aoe stomp abilities

[balmy condor]

Yeah that too

But it’s important to decouple evasion from “physical damage”

Cause it’s not connected to it in any way

It’s dodge rate

And dodge is real janky and nebulous

[half dawn]

boys

this is for you

[royal lantern]

yeees.....?

[gusty mirage]

you missed the pain he's suffering on rashok

[half dawn]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Jmvz4M3PdRGgWN6C/#fight=last&type=damage-done

[gusty mirage]

[half dawn]

heroic rashok parse with Warrior and druid and monk buff

lol

[gusty mirage]

@royal lantern his guild was griefing their melee with mo shout, no monk debuff, no wft

[half dawn]

no wft no PI

but still decent

[spice spire]

[royal lantern]

oh

oooh

[half dawn]

yeah tyran

mythic rashok is painful

but i have my redemption on this hc pull

[gilded oasis]

dodge these hands

[spice spire]

[gusty mirage]

[balmy condor]

[gilded oasis]

shit hes too fast

[gusty mirage]

I'll hold him down for you

dw

[blazing jewel]

Grab his legs

[gusty mirage]

that's your department KYLE

[blazing jewel]

Okay I’ll grab a singular leg

[gusty mirage]

wtf

both or no deal

[deft flicker]

Imma grab pluralleg then

[blazing jewel]

[deft flicker]

🫱🦵

[gusty mirage]

@spice spire help I think I got sick

and it might be that which shall not be named

[balmy condor]

syphilis?

[gusty mirage]

no

that's what you gave me

[blazing jewel]

Was it my anthrax laced love letter

[storm belfry]

[gusty mirage]

maybe

[balmy condor]

I think shirt smells weird, can you come over and tell me if it smells like chloroform

[blazing jewel]

[runic hinge]

[deft flicker]

sniff

All good, it’s chlorophyll

[blazing jewel]

But your shirt isn’t green there couldn’t be any chloroform

[balmy condor]

yeah and you're not batman but you still wear black

[spice spire]

[balmy path]

What is the best trinkets for assassination in m+?

[strange python]

How do I play uhdk

[storm forum]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[vocal oracle]

I've been using bomb + class trinket

[jaunty dew]

So what is recommended to macro the bomb to?

[balmy condor]

nothing

don't macro it

[jaunty dew]

How come?

[balmy condor]

because if you use a second on-use you get screwed over

[jaunty dew]

Well I got beacon as well but it's a 3 min cd

[balmy condor]

2:30 cd

but yeh

if you macro bomb you'll get screwed over from the shared cooldown

should just get used to have individual keybinds for each slot

not just for bomb, but just for double on-use in the future as well

[jaunty dew]

Yeah currently I'm still running fragment on macroed to the DM but wanted to know how to effeciently utilize bomb + beacom combo

[balmy condor]

beacon takes priority

so you shouldn't macro

[true basalt]

guys, are toxic boots really better than slimy? i see that slimy is the most used in m+, and i mainly focus on m+

[balmy condor]

toxic is better than slimy in all situations

[true basalt]

im arguing with some monk main telling me slimy is better and that i shouldnt craft toxic

[gilded oasis]

well at ONE point it was said for a while slimy was better. So then they probably never looked back for any updates after toxic was better

[void mesa]

The only way I've seen slimy be better is if your class has healing sources that take away from the dps procs

Rogue aint a part of that tho

[blazing jewel]

It is though

It just still outweighs slimy

For sin at least

[void mesa]

Oh really?

[blazing jewel]

Yea we have weird slice and dice stuff

[void mesa]

Dont we only have vial proccing it?

Ohhhh

Recuperator

[minor gate]

They keep me alive

[blazing jewel]

Don’t quote me on this

[void mesa]

But on the opinion I'd lose a few dmg procs to get some self heals anyways personally

[blazing jewel]

But I think it was if we don’t have that snd talent

[balmy condor]

why does he care

[blazing jewel]

It still heals for 0

[gilded oasis]

"Yea we have weird slice and dice stuff" - Cosmetic dps 2023

[blazing jewel]

And it eats procs

Purple name here

Is that true

[balmy condor]

idk sure

does it matter

[blazing jewel]

That’s

Thanks

[balmy condor]

if I tell you it procs off recup does it change your world view

[gilded oasis]

yes

[gusty mirage]

slice and dice procs it as well

wrong message but yeah

[blazing jewel]

It makes me feel a certain type of way lawd have mercy

[gusty mirage]

cause of recuperator (:

[balmy condor]

it's real easy

shit procs it sometimes

does it matter?

no

it's still better than slimy

GG no re

[minor gate]

My characters lifetime is dependant on it

[blazing jewel]

If I don’t get a 99 parse I’m complaining it was the boot procs getting munched

[balmy condor]

people love focusing on irrelevant minutia

[gusty mirage]

munch this

[minor gate]

I DONT WANT PARS

I WANT TO LIVE

[balmy condor]

if the 200 stam or whatever is why you die

you need to re-evaluate your abilities as a player

[gilded oasis]

woah its not my fault its the boots fault

[gusty mirage]

I suddenly feel attacked

[gilded oasis]

no oxi you play perfect nothing you coud have done. it was the boots

[balmy condor]

the amount of things that will kill you with the boots, but you would've survived without the boots

so is astronomically uncommon

[gusty mirage]

[balmy condor]

it's way way way more likely that if something was gonna kill you

[minor gate]

“The bombs are so nerfed I don’t even lose a third of my health”
“Oh really”
20% health remaining

[balmy condor]

it was gonna kill you regardless

[gilded oasis]

wish it would kill me irl

[blazing jewel]

Are you talking nelth bombs?

[balmy condor]

zskarn bombs I assume

[minor gate]

Stewart

Yeah

[blazing jewel]

Ah

[balmy condor]

which is probably the worst example imaginable

[blazing jewel]

I was going to say nelth bombs hit like 15% hp lol

I had a mage blink on top of me with his when I was running mine

And our rl said nice cloak or something when I pressed feint and hp bar didn’t move

[balmy condor]

zskarn bombs are phys damage and reduced by armor

playing a leather dps

that can't defensive them at all

[gilded oasis]

can I evasion it

[balmy condor]

no

[gilded oasis]

plz

[blazing jewel]

You get one oopsie with cheat

And then die to the dot after

[minor gate]

Considering that this came from an mage

Compared to

I guess

[runic hinge]

If cheat isn’t on cd what am I even talenting it for

[minor gate]

That extra 1% of boss damage when everyone else has died

[bronze pike]

Real

[peak bobcat]

@gusty mirage is it worth to climb ranks in WoW?

[gusty mirage]

I'm the wrong person to ask homie

if my guild didn't reach out to me I was going to quit raiding completely

[blazing jewel]

Oxi put in the app

It’s time

[brazen zodiac]

me too

[open marlin]

after looking at logs, slimy expulsion boots seem to be doing more dps on average... does the primordial stone healing perhaps cause an issue?

[spice surge]

Slimy also reduces your haste and has different stats. So looking purely at the damage number isnt accurate

Both boots sim correctly

[queen valley]

how much crit do you have?

if u dont mind me asking

[spice surge]

idk

[golden ravine]

For zskarn bombs I feint and get 1 bomb if needed talented into elusiveness instead of cheat death.

[balmy condor]

Why is your raid making you eat the bombs

[solemn current]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[bronze pike]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1124472704720969808.webp?size=96&quality=lossless

cause he hungri

[balmy condor]

[bronze pike]

:D

[sweet dawn]

Because cheat death is a defensive

[high berry]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[versed mica]

Not proccing cheat death = 5 more parse points

[sweet dawn]

That's why all my parses are shit

https://tenor.com/view/flcl-mamimi-aaahhh-wtf-shocked-gif-24981847

[soft shale]

elu is objectively better but we are too comfy with cheat

since forever

[gaunt moat]

I would take elusivness to magmarox if i ever do it again.
But yeah, proactive defense is a lot harder to predict generally then passive.

[soft shale]

well nowadays there are not true one shots or mechanics that you want to cheese with cheat

with the huge cd it has

i might just try it next time i go rashok/magmo/zskarn

[gaunt moat]

We had an argument in guild today about taking sporecloak vs other embellishment.
I tested, for me it would be -2% dps.

You could say that's not huge.
But over the whole raid, that's losing a lot.

[soft shale]

spore is always int

raid mechanics happen too often for it

unless a healer with no personal cds like priest or smth

also -2% dps is like 3k+

for some classes more

[gaunt moat]

I agree, I think DPS should always push for as much damage as possible, and just do mechanics correctly (and healing is also mechanics)
but argument started because I died on magmarox when I was targeted by raid soak and died, twice (first time cheat death procced).
but look at this:

[soft shale]

almost all the time that happens is because healers suck doing triage healing

[gaunt moat]

Look at the healing I received before i died:

We got pretty good healers, but they should have focused me when i was targeted.

I did everything i could to heal myself and iw as still at like 50% hp

So the argument was: if you had sporecloak, you would survive

(btw, this is healing over 5 seconds before dying)

[somber sparrow]

in gear compare, is it possible to add in ptr=1 somewhere

[woeful meteor]

same place you add it for the sim types

[tacit otter]

in the header in expert mode, right?

thats atleast what i would try

[woeful meteor]

ye

[somber sparrow]

perfect, thank you. I was forgetting that it's in the header there

[solid mica]

Sporecloqk is fire for m+ but idk if you need it for raid, rashok would be nice

[keen spruce]

if anyone tells me to get a sporecloak i'm finding a new guild

[main vessel]

is this a request for help

[gaunt moat]

They didn't tell anyone to get it, it was just a discussion why it would possibly be good
But considering how tight some of the enrages are on bosses, taking defensive gear over offensive is not a great idea imo

also

wtf is this

[woeful meteor]

Ye sporecloak is a pvp and m+ thing

and for keys mostly cause the keys this patch all get depleted to full wiping and not missing dps

[gaunt moat]

why is there a roblox guy, with my name and a bunny avatar

[balmy condor]

Why are you looking up yourself on roblox

[woeful meteor]

wanted to create an acc, but name was taken

One Day I will find the Anivia One Trick that is holding my name hostage

[rocky sluice]

is corruting rage phail

best for us?

or elemental choas

for ass rogue

[keen spruce]

Corrupting rage or tepid vers

Corrupting rage makes RLs

But does quite a bit more smh

Dmg

[rocky sluice]

word thanks

[static coral]

anyone know if there's any forecasted buff with 10.1.5?

[blazing jewel]

sin doesnt need a compensation buff for .5 huhh

[gaunt moat]

some guy adds me on discord, "hey are you this person?"
it's just bizzare

[gilded oasis]

it was me

[spice spire]

Don’t lie

It was me

[gilded oasis]

ok it wasn't me

[spice spire]

[keen spruce]

don't talk shit about roblex

the legend of pinkfoot lives on

[gaunt moat]

this is me from the multiverse

[spice spire]

insert 2099 music

[woeful meteor]

Saw that tonight, was pretty nice

[spice spire]

I agree loved it
Maybe not as much as the first but in a world of superhero movies it’s built diff

[woeful meteor]

Ye it’s def different from the first one

But still very good, hard to replicate the vibe of part ones opening, which was the best part of it imo

[brazen zodiac]

dundundun

[gaunt moat]

[brazen zodiac]

this guy the real notter tho

everyone else fake notters tbh.

[gaunt moat]

They're not notter

[brazen zodiac]

i beg to differ

c:<

roblox omega fun too bad they shit on war clans when they made it kid friendly 💃

[gentle flower]

yo

if i craft a 437 dagger

Can i upgrade it without using sparks

?

[void mesa]

Yes

[gentle flower]

like i can upgrade it to 447

without using another spark right?

[void mesa]

Yes

[gentle flower]

Just making sure before I craft one lol

[void mesa]

You only need to reuse a fraction of the other materials like alloys

[velvet nacelle]

hey, no disrespect, but f u all

just beat my previous best on h szkarn by 16k and it's only a 75 parse

wtf are you guys even doing?

went from a 91k - 68 parse to 107k and a 75. what is that curve

[royal lantern]

120k+ probs?

be lucky with all the procs/trinket crits

ye checked, had 119k on heroic zskarn and its a 95

190k on heroic assault is a 99

what a meme fight

[velvet nacelle]

i know, it's just insane how good you guys are

[blazing jewel]

boss parses

especially on sin

[royal lantern]

tbf, its mostly 2 things overall

people that play a spec for a longer time

and more importantly this tier

be lucky with crits and procs lol

can be the best player possible, you wont get a 90 when your beacon doesnt crit

[blazing jewel]

[royal lantern]

everytime i press beacon

and it crits

and im suddenly in the top3 cus the beacon of the other guys didnt crit

i feel so skilled

this is all happening because of my supirior skill in pressing my beacon keybind

[steel ridge]

[clever sapphire]

And also fight length, imagine if you kill the boss at 5:59

[blazing jewel]

youd need a lot more time than just 6mins for our jank tier set

youd want like 6:45 lol

[clever sapphire]

True true

Play exsang and make it proc sooner
Edit: (its a joke dont take exsang ever)

[blazing jewel]

actually delete that comment lol

[clever sapphire]

Making sure no new player takes me for real

[brazen zodiac]

i mean this is quite factual

ur just the better beacon player 💃

[velvet nacelle]

"when your beacon doesn't proc"

i haven't seen a beacon yet

i mean i've seen it on other people

but it's never dropped in a kill for me

no vault, no chests

i'm not convinced it actually does drop anymore 😛

[gentle flower]

Yo

you little qts

any difference between shadowflame patch r2 and r3?

LIke any damage difference?

[zealous summit]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[brazen zodiac]

nope

just crafter stuff is only diff

[supple snow]

Guys any tips for szkarn? Other than making him reach 0 HP before ourselves.

[blazing jewel]

Hit him super hard

Have you done the fight at all on mythic or no

[supple snow]

Less than 10 pulls so far

45% best try

[blazing jewel]

What are some problem areas you’re having

[supple snow]

I lied. 11 pulls

[blazing jewel]

At least for rogue stuff

[gaunt moat]

11 pulls and already 45%? That's impressive

[blazing jewel]

Yea that’s good prog for night 1

[supple snow]

Traps. Traps everywhere. But I’m also worried about my DPS

[blazing jewel]

That fight really isn’t a dps check

If 20 people with a pulse get to the end it’s dead

[supple snow]

I can’t have any meaningful dam on adds

[blazing jewel]

That shouldn’t be your issue to solve really

Adds should get cranked by most ranged

[royal lantern]

thats 99% of raidfights tbh

[blazing jewel]

Trying to chase an add when they can run through traps will int you and your damage

[supple snow]

And should I move around trying to deal with traps? Or do I just stick to boss and rupture adds for extra energy ?

[supple snow]

Rashon is the 1% 😂

[blazing jewel]

I wouldn’t even rupture adds tbh

[royal lantern]

no, rashok is in the 99% aswell lmao

[gaunt moat]

I'll tell you what..
Just kill adds, boss will die.
even if it ints your damage. it is what it is.

[supple snow]

Really?

[royal lantern]

cus you wipe on rashok because people get hit by waves or use deffensives wrong the majority of the time

[blazing jewel]

Just don’t try to be a hero and chase adds deep

Really easy to get clipped by a beam that way

[gaunt moat]

yes, i did 4m damage ot adds onm that fight, which is higher than any other rogue. fucked my dps, but boss died.

[supple snow]

Interesting.

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/gigachad-chad-gif-20773266

[blazing jewel]

Idk there’s multiple different ways of going about it

[supple snow]

Tell me about it

[gaunt moat]

it all depends on raid composition

[blazing jewel]

If your raid can consistently kill adds without you then tunnel boss non stop

Like multiple spriest boomie lock type classes that delete them

[supple snow]

Chad

[gaunt moat]

that's not me showing off
i did it out of spite

i wasn't happy about it

but they didn't die fast enough, so i had to go full focus, even chase them

[supple snow]

So how about using add shit to take care of traps? Is it a thing I should be doing?

[blazing jewel]

[gaunt moat]

that's your add damage?

[blazing jewel]

Yea lol

[blazing jewel]

Traps really shouldn’t be you

[gaunt moat]

i'm not joking, i went over other rogues logs, even subtelty and outlaw, they do like 2m to adds

[blazing jewel]

That’s like a hunter/3rd tank type thing

[supple snow]

5 K deeps ain’t too bad.

I was doing 3 k lol

[gaunt moat]

raid leader should assign people to do that, don't pick them randomly

[blazing jewel]

Almost all of that was a few poison bomb procs on them lol

[supple snow]

😂 good timing

[supple snow]

I will tell him that. Hopefully it dies next raid.

[gaunt moat]

but agian, 11 pulls to 45% is incredibly good

[blazing jewel]

Hunters are good at it

Rdruids too

[gaunt moat]

Just thank god that you don't have to deal with random traps

[supple snow]

We got 2 hunter and 1 Rdruid. Any other spec?

[gaunt moat]

that fight was a fucking nightmare.

[blazing jewel]

Just kill it before patch cheese xd

Are you doing 3 tank?

[gaunt moat]

😬

[supple snow]

Yeah

[blazing jewel]

Probably that guy

[balmy condor]

Sin rogue boss dam

[earnest remnant]

kill it before people found the full cheese

[gaunt moat]

he was talking to me heh

[blazing jewel]

Oh no here he comes

[balmy condor]

Sin rogue pump boss

[blazing jewel]

Stealthi flaming me incoming

[balmy condor]

Sin rogue full slam

[blazing jewel]

[supple snow]

Are they patching something again? Or you mean the old thing?

[earnest remnant]

dont have time to flame assa players

[balmy condor]

1 target 1 dream 1 goal
Boss, not playing the game, boss dead

[blazing jewel]

The old meme strat before the hot fix

[balmy condor]

Kill the boss

[supple snow]

Ah

[balmy condor]

Get the time off

[crisp yoke]

Guys can you help me with some pvp talents?

[balmy condor]

Wait till next raid

[balmy condor]

#pvp

[supple snow]

😂 my man is mad at boss

[balmy condor]

#pvp-faq

[crisp yoke]

thx buddy

[blazing jewel]

We are raid frogs

[balmy condor]

Boss dead = freedom

Sark must be one of the most dogshit end bosses I’ve ever had the displeasure of progging

[blazing jewel]

Shadow wizard money gang we love haste

[balmy condor]

95% of your wipes aren’t even to mechanics

It’s just “I ran into a hole”

Good one blizzard

It stopped being funny after wipe 90

[blazing jewel]

Or bomb runners dropping puddles in front of each other

[earnest remnant]

i didn't mind the boss tbh

only sour taste

was how bad rogue dmg is on the fight

[balmy condor]

I mean that’s just depression of top of it

1:30 cooldown sepsis

Is actually so cringe

[blazing jewel]

I like how 130 on any rogue spec is like 90+ percentile

[balmy condor]

You just hold it for an eternity every phase

[blazing jewel]

And meanwhile dragon man did 200k on that fight

Seems fine

[balmy condor]

Pi diff surely

[blazing jewel]

Surely

[balmy condor]

Pi = 40% damage increase

[earnest remnant]

124k was 84 percentile

[supple snow]

Most fucked up thing to me always gonna be parsing 95% to be beaten by the 60% pars lock

[blazing jewel]

[earnest remnant]

big agree on this

they really designed the fight for 2min

classes

[blazing jewel]

[balmy condor]

And then they made assa an uptime class with 1:30 cooldown, 2 min cooldown you weave, 2 min cooldown with a 45 second duration

Super cool

Like assa is a 2 min spec

And it just

Doesn’t perform

At all

It’s laughable

[earnest remnant]

i think if sub was more bursty

it would be okay for the fight

[blazing jewel]

Jokes on you boss kill times require all the planets aligning with a humidity of 16% and a uv index of pain for sin to have a good boss kill time

[balmy condor]

I vanish add 2, full envenom funnel add 2, just actually crank it with double shivs

Doing 40% less add damage than the warlock who tabbed, pressed havoc, and then tabbed back

What the fuck is that

[earnest remnant]

thats our big add dmg

its only the top 4

iirc

that actually main targets it

[blazing jewel]

Pause

Is that 3 devs

[earnest remnant]

that was our reclear

[supple snow]

I will talk about mythic sarc when I get there. 😂 until then I will enjoy learning from you boys.

[blazing jewel]

[earnest remnant]

one of them had his last raid that day

so we have 2

[blazing jewel]

A lot of good raiders in any of the spec channels so ask away for any prog questions

[blazing jewel]

Interesting on the big add damage. Ours is a much more even spread of people cleaving it

No huge outliers

[supple snow]

I’m sure I will be asking lots of questions

Thanks for the tips guys.

[gusty mirage]

Except me

[ebon notch]

I mean their specialty is 2 target so

[vapid sierra]

What add we talking about

What fight

Considering 2 adds I’m assuming either assault or echo?

[earnest remnant]

mythic Sark

[vapid sierra]

Ah

Add groups

[ebon notch]

Bro I'm full single target on that boss

Literally never padding on adds

[vapid sierra]

Sark is the one boss where I play sun

Sub

I never bothered learning timings for sin

[west cove]

I used to love playing sin, recently came back to wow after a year or so away, its seems so different and less fun to play

[royal lantern]

its the same spec since Legion

lol

thats the problem

[spice surge]

Its got a lot of extra buttons nowadays compared to before

[ebon notch]

ye but they do nothing

[idle inlet]

They don't do nothing they do just enough to make you feel bad if you don't bind them just a little less than enough to make you feel anything when you press them

[west cove]

it isnt

[west cove]

thats the thing, it feels so bloated and unimpactful

[gusty mirage]

I mean it kinda is though, keep up bleeds, envenom as a filler

There’s just 6 extra buttons thrown in

[thorn fjord]

Gm @gusty mirage

Have an awesome Saturday

[gusty mirage]

You too homie

[misty holly]

Sounds like the Jailer again.

[mortal tusk]

!ambush

[prisma monolith]

Ambush/Mutilate Macro:
This should be seen as a "lazy" option, and is not recommended. It can be hard to control and requires a third-party macro addon to expand the games base functionality. We recommend ALWAYS keybinding ambush (either with a modifier, or an entirely different key)
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#assassination message

[normal otter]

yo guys. How do you play the add phase in sarkareth fight HC? Just full tunnel lazer the boss in ST? or do you guys actually fok the adds and apply rupture / garrote to them? They are dead so fkin quickly.

[cunning nest]

I dont apply bleeds, but I use fok if there are 3 or more

[sweet dawn]

I bacon them to pad

[cunning nest]

Depends a bit on how fast your guild kill the adds, but switch as assa isnt worth most of the tine

[normal otter]

im playing pugs only. But ty a lot will just use cp on envenom on boss and try to use fok as builder whenever possible

[storm onyx]

Just Fok them for efficiency and finishers on the boss, I rupture very rarely if they are scattered and I end up by one and ppl doing movements. It’s situational.

[amber beacon]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[surreal citrus]

does amplifying poison being doubled during deathmark make it double the damage bonus for envenom?

[royal lantern]

yes

you have 2 different stacks of amp poison, and both get consumed and give the dmb bonus

[shut lotus]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[thin scroll]

Considering that I play both sub and sin comfortably, which would you recommend for mythic experiments? Tried sin yesterday (first time on that boss) and was thinking about trying sub today

[eager solstice]

Both are good choices. Play whatever you feel most comfortable with. The difference is minimal

[royal lantern]

its a ST boss with a bit of cleave most of the time

in theory assa should be slightly better i gues?

but doesnt really matter

dps is not why you kill that boss lmao

you need to hold dps for most of the time anyway

[thin scroll]

question isnt tied to dps (and I play both comfortably), when I searched I saw whispyr saying sub is better so thought I would ask

but was thinking maybe the assa execute dmg profile might be advantegeous

or dot cleave

[royal lantern]

eh, you dont really hard cleave anyway

like, you need to focus kill 1 guy

and the other has bleeds running and thats it

[thin scroll]

but doesnt rupture on an extra boss bring more energy for us?

[royal lantern]

ye ofc

[thin scroll]

hmmm did see a tip to DM when boss is under 40% so I might try that, then sub if Im not satisfied

[royal lantern]

that boss is really just a big "doesnt really matter tbh" angle, because its a fight where you win or lose depeending on how you push them/how the dispells are handled

@gusty mirage i peaked in this expansion

can only go down from now

[gusty mirage]

I'm only renown 17

😦

[royal lantern]

do the researcher event 1x weekly

free 500-1k rep

[gusty mirage]

already lost me on doing something weekly

[royal lantern]

based

[idle inlet]

Once I found out that the drop rate for the sparks was pretty high I stopped doing that event

[brazen zodiac]

whats ur renown for the tuskars? hehe

[drifting cloud]

nerd

[gusty mirage]

max

[gusty mirage]

iswtg I'll kiss you on the mouth

[brazen zodiac]

pog

tuskar gaming

[idle inlet]

Has blizzard said anything about upgrading gear from mythic received before 10.1.5 officially? Also I've heard it's not just mythic gear but also the 444 gear that is a part of that. Is that true or just hearsay?

[drifting cloud]

its 441+ gear and yeah it works retroactively

there was a wowhead post about it like 3? days ago

[graceful solstice]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/myth-upgrade-track-is-retroactive-in-patch-10-1-5-upgrade-441-base-gear-to-447-333720

[vestal wren]

yep, you can upgrade mythic gear to 447 in 10.1.5

[idle inlet]

Welp gotta sim my nelths call again now

[gloomy lake]

been gone for a month, is slimy expulsion/toxic patch still the best embellishment?

[spice spire]

Pins

🙂

[pure comet]

Does anyone know if shadowmeld apply improved garrote?

[balmy condor]

If you use it on trash packs in m+ and wait for the ability to drop combat and go into true stealth, yes

If you’re on any boss mob or are unable to drop combat to use the natural stealth, no

[pure comet]

Uh, i got it

Ty Uncle Whispyr

[balmy condor]

Np

[keen spruce]

zskarn should be dead today

but we have many people hot tubbing in traps

for some reason

and 5 people decided to call out today

[drifting cloud]

weird coincidence

[keen spruce]

it's a mystery

we're trying to implement the everyone hard swap to golems strat

except for demo locks

and the RL cant tell the difference between the pulls i switch and the ones that I don't

sir i just cloak SSd to a casting golem during TD and I still barely beat the tanks on add damage

plz just let me smack the boss

[deft flicker]

If they can’t tell the difference - stay on boss and tell them you’re switching

[keen spruce]

[soft shale]

rupture maybe garrote if they come close

throw knife if dp is going off

then keep tunneling boss

wont change much LUL

if only sbs was decent

[keen spruce]

i've just been rupturing ones that run through the boss for free energy

[spice spire]

[blazing jewel]

One of my officers pmed me and said “hey cuck hit the adds” and I responded “with what”

[oak sky]

Your noodley

[keen spruce]

oo 9%

okay this dies today

we got an hour left

[void mesa]

Life of sin rogue 🙃

[blazing jewel]

I told my raids uh dk to back off im the new bossfuckerx

[gusty mirage]

prove it

[strange python]

Ain't no way consequence officers don't know sin can't target swap

Did apolane quit btw

[oak sky]

rae gone

[soft shale]

i mean we only do 15k less dps than uhdk we risin

if they forget to summon pet we blast them

[strange python]

Rip rae 😦 quit wow or quit cons

[oak sky]

@shy dust imy

[strange python]

Who's gonna be our NA sin rogue blaster now

[soft shale]

now he plays SP in AWC

[storm forum]

isnt that whispyr?

[main vessel]

Whispyr is my ass blaster and you can’t have him

Err

Sin rogue blaster

[oak sky]

rae was a sub main (rip)

take scana bud

new consequence winner

[blazing jewel]

We were watching a guild prog sark and all of their details names were something fucker x

Good meme now

[storm forum]

my guild's details names are all just explaining why they were brought

"5% stam"

[blazing jewel]

@gusty mirage you can be hastefuckerx

[shy dust]

I peaked in nathria

[strange python]

Sythrial dead too

[blazing jewel]

He’s been summoned

[strange python]

Sythrial gone, rae gone, we left with uhh

[shy dust]

Butchering Kingsbane was a travesty

[oak sky]

real

[soft shale]

will never understand that one

[oak sky]

im out until 10.2

for sure

[blazing jewel]

Rae how are you going to let marsh bully you over league

[soft shale]

funny thing is same patch they buffed arms

to get way better execute

because fuck assa

[oak sky]

im a tft main now

[shy dust]

I just look at marsh logs

[strange python]

Arms is slamming now.

[shy dust]

And feel okay

[blazing jewel]

[soft shale]

ye arms wrecks after buffs

who would have though

[strange python]

Don't worry. Aura buffs inc. Surely.

[soft shale]

assa getting another 4%

wait for it

[strange python]

Certainly they don't leave us at our current tuning until 10.2

[oak sky]

dont care about tuning

lmao

[soft shale]

the problem is playstyle for many

and dmg spread

[strange python]

Sepsis blows.

[soft shale]

rogue is all hilly

[oak sky]

yeah im not a huge fan of sepsis

but

[blazing jewel]

[oak sky]

its like fine

[strange python]

I'd rather play around exsang than sepsis.

[blazing jewel]

I think what it enables is kinda cool but mechanically it doesn’t feel great

[strange python]

Snapshotting is neat.

[oak sky]

theres just not a lot that makes me want to play the game rn

maybe i try the mage rework but thats about it

[strange python]

I've been allowed to reroll any class I want for next tier. What play

[shy dust]

Shadow priest

It’s usually fun

And strong

[oak sky]

next tier is gonna be rogue if the changes are ready by 10.2 bro

so just dont reroll

[strange python]

Charlie Brown.

[oak sky]

reroll for the rest of the patch

[shy dust]

Also shadow priest in keys has no responsibility basically

[oak sky]

then swap back

[blazing jewel]

Any triple dps spec is bound to be at least playable

[shy dust]

You aren’t even expected to kick

[keen spruce]

why does 2nd sepsis have to land right in the middle of the 2nd TD

[strange python]

I mean I can just go dk and get PI

[keen spruce]

this is aids

[strange python]

Or devoker

[blazing jewel]

Dk in keys

[strange python]

I hate keys

Raid only.

[oak sky]

oh wait yeah go auggie

[strange python]

No Augie.

One exception

Too many

[oak sky]

tough

[blazing jewel]

I’ve heard augs rotation is the most pay phone class ever created

[storm forum]

cloak it (idk what TD is)

[oak sky]

yeah sounds lit bro

and your damage doesnt even matter

[strange python]

Wtf is pay phone class

[blazing jewel]

Are you fr

[oak sky]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NedmPK-6D4

[strange python]

??

Oh.

No way Aug is easier than dev right?

[keen spruce]

i have been

tactial destruction on zskarn

[storm forum]

we start prog on zskarn next tueday, I should probably learn who zskarn is

[spice surge]

Augment is likely among the hardest specs in the entire game to play well

[blazing jewel]

[spice surge]

Because figuring out who gets the most out of your buff at any given time is decently hard, and you need to be hardcasting literally always or your buff duration drops

Its hard in a new (seemingly kind of an ass) way since youll need to track/see when people have CDs etc

[woeful meteor]

Specs seems so hard to balance

Between people that just turret next to the same 4 people and rotating between whoever has most dmg at that time

[spice surge]

Most of your buffs are not proximity based

[vestal wren]

i think it depends on how many avokers you have

[spice surge]

Well having more than 2 is bad

[vestal wren]

given that the amount of people you can rotate between will get lower with amount of people

why is more than 2 bad?

[spice surge]

If you have 3 evokers the third isnt buffing only dps

Unless you are 3 healing

[vestal wren]

fair, but if you limit it to dps, even having 2 will already make the above decision fairly easy

or lets say easier

[spice surge]

Fair enough, i was mostly talking about when you are the sole evoker

[vestal wren]

wonder if you use a weakaura / addon for it

could see that as a way to remove complexity

[royal lantern]

who paid you to say that?

[spice surge]

?

[vestal wren]

think eleem has a good argument, even if the rotation is else fairly simple

[royal lantern]

dps rotation itself is litearlly 2buttons

its like a healer in that regard

like, i know what eleem means

but its a somewhat weird angle imo

because "play around who gets the most around at a given moment" will simply not be how its gonna play out at the end

[spice surge]

Well ye you can just not to that

But then youre not playing it well/perfectly

[void mesa]

I cant wait to see the dysfunctional sims for aug evo

[keen spruce]

i fkin stepped on 3 bombs on our 2% pull at the end of raid

[blazing jewel]

It’s going to look like a kalimazi or azor APL

[void mesa]

"My sim dmg is 65k +30% of the top dps +25% of the second one" or something like that

[royal lantern]

it just feels like as if that goes into "yeha but pooling for envenom+max envenom uptime!!!" Situation

aka wont make a reality difference at the end

[blazing jewel]

You’re going to pool for envenom and you’re going to like it smh

[soft shale]

what he wanted to say is you could buff an uhdk on cds or a rogue

little bit of diff between 700k dps and 140k

so if you only have 1 or 2 it becomes a snipe fight

brings me back to surrender to madness sp

and getting to death more often than the other priest

and they just die

[spice surge]

On the other hand whenever cds arent up you are very likely to just always buff the rogue

[gusty mirage]

no please reroll

everyone PLEASE

reroll

I'm begging you

[blazing jewel]

F u Oxi

[gusty mirage]

man consequence's rogues toxicity has really fallen off since vel swapped evoker @shy dust

[blazing jewel]

[gusty mirage]

sorry man, recently sold my soul

no more time for answering questions

bother the dogman

[blazing jewel]

Yea you’re a rat prot pala main

[shy dust]

🦝

[gusty mirage]

I'm enjoying tanking

[blazing jewel]

Who is paying you to say that

[gusty mirage]

no one

I actually genuinely like tanking

[blazing jewel]

Oh man im really enjoying working late tonight oh wow this is so fun

That’s you

[gusty mirage]

nah tanking's chill

[storm belfry]

Prot pally on the rise

[gusty mirage]

435 equipped

4pc gaming

[storm belfry]

Based

[gusty mirage]

got both my embellishments on 447 pieces

just need the brackenhide trinket

tbh

and we're chillin

[storm belfry]

You will get it

I’m gearing the lock up

[gusty mirage]

easier to find groups as a tank too

so if I'm ever bored

can hop in a key

[storm belfry]

Oh absolutely

It’s like the last role to be filled

In groups lmao

[gusty mirage]

only problem is I'm iffy about healers

if I got a shit healer it's a stressful time

prot pally problems

ya know

[storm belfry]

My rdruid is as geared as my rogue. So just hmu

[bronze pike]

@main vessel

We added another to our fold

[main vessel]

as planned

[spice spire]

Wait until you all hear of quakethree

The forbidden one

[soft shale]

hachadinoseven is going strong

[strange python]

Can't decide between ret and dk halp

[blazing jewel]

the bigger damage one

[spice spire]

Frost it is

[strange python]

I just wanna fight for rank 1s with the least cringe required

[tall atlas]

Balance Druid

In M+ at least

[runic hinge]

@gusty mirage @balmy condor

hullo dad

[balmy condor]

hello

[tall atlas]

Nice

[blazing jewel]

how many blindside procs in a row does it take to reach euphoria

[peak bobcat]

All of them

[misty holly]

I start getting pissed off when I get too many in row because my energy caps, and Im conditioned to think energy capping is bad

I've had like 8 in a row once I was raging so hard.

[blazing jewel]

[tiny leaf]

Heya! I am learning Sin and confused as to why I am seeing people Garrote out of stealth, Slice and dice and then garrote again?
Would I still use this even without Subterfuge?
Doesnt the second garrote replace the improved garrote without subterfuge?

[blazing jewel]

where are you seeing that done

[tiny leaf]

Dal gaming sin guide as well as another youtubers guide

[blazing jewel]

im going to take a guess that a lot of those are outdated

highly recommend following the faq openers

but to answer the questions above the 2nd garrote would still be buffed if you have subterfuge

[tiny leaf]

but without it would overwrite, correct?

[blazing jewel]

and usually that was done to put a max time garrote by refreshing while the other dot was at pandemic or above

yea without subterfuge it would overwrite

wait my b

wrong talent

different name now

[tiny leaf]

Yeah that was my assumption that you would do it to squeeze out more improved garrote timing

[blazing jewel]

the sin version

not subterfuge

its the improved garrote talent

sorryconfused myself

[balmy condor]

improved garrote yeh

[blazing jewel]

whisypr dont kill me

[tiny leaf]

Bahaha

[balmy condor]

its something people do cause it feels better or whatever

and it used to be an optimization in nyalotha when the original shrouded suffocation was a thing

and people just kinda stuck with it

[tiny leaf]

Aah gotchya

[balmy condor]

it technically has a merit still

[blazing jewel]

houdini highly recommend not watching the youtube guides

[balmy condor]

because it gives you some extra seconds of the empowered garrote

[blazing jewel]

99% are outdated

[balmy condor]

because like

[tiny leaf]

Yeah it seems like a DPS loss for convenience of extending garrote

[balmy condor]

ya know, pandemic

[blazing jewel]

like there were multiple bugs found recently that completely changed the spec

[balmy condor]

but it's not the best thing

[balmy condor]

what bugs

[tiny leaf]

[blazing jewel]

exsang for sin

dark brew for sub

[balmy condor]

oh

well

exsang yeah

[tiny leaf]

Going through the FAQ while watching videos and yeah it felt odd seeing things that didnt make sense

[blazing jewel]

im guessing there are no updated sin guides as that was somewhat recent

[tiny leaf]

So Exsan IS still bugged?

[balmy condor]

ye

[tiny leaf]

[balmy condor]

bit of an anticlimactic end for that piece of shit talent

[tiny leaf]

LOL

[blazing jewel]

I forgot that sin basically had built in subterfuge lol

[balmy condor]

but it didn't deserve much of a fanfare on its way out

so

[blazing jewel]

that talent is actually dead on this spec

[balmy condor]

I guess good enough

[tiny leaf]

Yeah kinda glad I dont have to push exsange ngl
feels gross

[balmy condor]

exsang is just a nightmare talent

and has been forever

it's either crazy busted op

[stiff geode]

felt terrible pressing it agreed

[balmy condor]

or unplayably terrible

and then just setting up for it on top of it is jank as fuck

idk