assassination

[gusty mirage]

either way if you wanna sim all of the buffs at one time vs running 5 dif sims

trinket1=,id=203729,ilevel=441
dragonflight.ominous_chromatic_essence_dragonflight=obsidian

copy="Ominous Chromatic Essence (Ruby/Versatility)"
trinket1=,id=203729,ilevel=441
dragonflight.ominous_chromatic_essence_dragonflight=ruby

copy="Ominous Chromatic Essence (Bronze/Haste)"
trinket1=,id=203729,ilevel=441
dragonflight.ominous_chromatic_essence_dragonflight=bronze

copy="Ominous Chromatic Essence (Azure/Mastery)"
trinket1=,id=203729,ilevel=441
dragonflight.ominous_chromatic_essence_dragonflight=azure

copy="Ominous Chromatic Essence (Emerald/Critical Strike)"
trinket1=,id=203729,ilevel=441
dragonflight.ominous_chromatic_essence_dragonflight=emerald

throw that under your simc input in an advanced sim

[elder jasper]

sorry

progging mythic experiments atm

we have vers and crit without me using essence for mast

[keen spruce]

i'm keepin mine in case whispyr made a math mistake and it's actually pretty k

[gusty mirage]

lol

bruh

if he made a mistake

it's worse than his estimate

you realize that right?

the sims aren't deducting stacks for mutilate

what possible mistake could he have made that would make it "okay"?

[drifting cloud]

let the man hope

[gusty mirage]

this man refused to use puzzle box

all of last tier

[drifting cloud]

based

[gusty mirage]

but his holding out hope for fucking fragment

ryler check dms in a few seconds

[drifting cloud]

he doesnt have to channel fragment

[keen spruce]

I DONT KNOW MAN I KEEP GETTING LIED TO BY SIMS AND BUGS LET ME LIVE MY LIFE

maybe it's just copium for inting my vault for a 447 fragment 2 hours before he made the pin

maybe it's maybelinne

[elder jasper]

okay oxi I dunno if I have the big dumb

[gusty mirage]

whatcha mean

[elder jasper]

so I tried to throw that stuff under my simc input and it said it failed

[gusty mirage]

send me your simc input

I gotchu homie

[elder jasper]

nvm ya boi is dumb

lmao

got it

[gusty mirage]

hey man people rarely touch advanced sims

aint yo fault

[elder jasper]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/dn33Nm6gBj5bLLVkHAXr2D

looks like crit is better for me

[gusty mirage]

crit a bit better than mastery

[elder jasper]

with essence

[gusty mirage]

but if you're the only azure

might be more raid dps if you stay mastery

cuz you being blue buffs other people as well

[elder jasper]

maybe for only 3 of the other dps

since they are dot classes

I'm also at a loss for what to use my 2 sparks for this week since I have crafted dagger, I have boots and toxic belt

[drifting cloud]

rings

but can also just check in droptimizer

[gusty mirage]

ye

rings

neck

ring prolly better choice if you got a juicer neck

[drifting cloud]

for the new upgrade path the items have to be looted after patch right?

[gusty mirage]

no clue

I'd imagine they'd make it retroactive

but they've also never done that before

[drifting cloud]

well you see I imagine the other way around

one of us is wrong

[gusty mirage]

[thorn fox]

If you transfer to ptr you can upgrade them. But that's no guarantee

[gusty mirage]

bro imagine the outrage

I'll get the popcorn ready for us ryler

dw

[elder jasper]

yeah I was looking at the signet of titanic insight for an upgrade

[drifting cloud]

im just taking 3 ilvl upgrade from vault, can always get sockets later

even tho technically better

[elder jasper]

my neck though is mid at best lmao

using bromachs

[gusty mirage]

bromachs is solid

[elder jasper]

I can link you what I'm using for gear

if you want

maybe you see something I might be missing

[gusty mirage]

I can find it in the sim you linked above

[elder jasper]

kk

like what I have right now feels solid

except my one ring lmao

[gusty mirage]

ye your gear is solid

just that ring kinda sucks

[elder jasper]

yeah

was gonna change that to titanic

just keep forgetting

the only other thing I was maybe thinking about replacing was my bracers

[gusty mirage]

idk 441 w/ socket kinda big

even if it is haste/vers

[elder jasper]

ye

lol

I mean I could craft a piece of gear on our worst tier slot

there is always that

[blazing jewel]

SUB ROGUE SMH

[elder jasper]

maybe a 2nd dagger since I doubt I'll get the M sark dagger

[runic hinge]

It’s retroactive

[drifting cloud]

but how can you know for sure

atleast I havent seen it said anywhere

[runic hinge]

I wouldn’t lie to you

Trust meeee

[drifting cloud]

oh announced yesterday, yeah been slacking on wowhead

thanks

[runic hinge]

No problem!

[shy pecan]

Does WoWAnalyzer keep in mind Sepsis for Vanish usage?

[ornate aspen]

in general is prio crit/mas or crit/haste?

[drifting cloud]

mastery

[ornate aspen]

ty

[balmy condor]

Nice photoshop tony

If that even is your real name

[balmy condor]

No

[still leaf]

what the fuck

[runic hinge]

Bamboozling Ryler is the name of the game

[balmy condor]

The long con

Of being a regular in the channel

Watching

Waiting

[still leaf]

commiserating

[balmy condor]

Until ryler doesn’t look at the channel for 1 minute

[runic hinge]

Shopping wowhead articles

[balmy condor]

And then you hit em with it

[runic hinge]

[blazing jewel]

@gusty mirage

[still leaf]

would actually be hilarious though if they did that, reminds me of how gear in ffxiv could catch up to savage ilvl later in patch ||dont quote me on this, was back in shb||

[runic hinge]

Wait am I getting wooshed now? They’re actually doing that. I didn’t actually photoshop that. I have a lot of downtime at work but not that much.

[shy pecan]

Thanks, also hi Whispyr

[gusty mirage]

what is this

sark?

[blazing jewel]

yea lol

[gusty mirage]

nice

my 57 is top 20 in the world

[solid chasm]

@gusty mirage

i fucked up on rashok

[blazing jewel]

we went down with the boss at 12%

[solid chasm]

died on algamations

[blazing jewel]

I actually didnt even finish deathmark

[gusty mirage]

just 3 heal it next time

and don't even go down

[blazing jewel]

vel did unholy damage that pull

and killed the boss by himself

r1 damage across all specs

by 6k

[balmy condor]

Hello

[balmy condor]

I thought he plays evoker?

[blazing jewel]

his hoe ass did

2 0 0 k

[gusty mirage]

how many externals

[solid chasm]

3 beacon casts no crit

[blazing jewel]

4 pis

[idle inlet]

What is the crit chance on trinkets

[drifting cloud]

your crit chance

• some modifiers here and there that probably shouldnt work

[keen spruce]

yo same and we're extending on zskarn

forever 0 crit gang

[agile osprey]

Is there a way to determine whether or not beacon crit in a sim?

I’m convinced it will sim higher than my dice if it crits

[woeful hollow]

what are the best stats for sin rogue

[gusty mirage]

crit > mastery => haste => vers

[balmy condor]

Sims take the average, over like 20 thousand fights

Crits deal double damage

So yeah

If you’re gonna go assume 100% crit on beacon

It’s gonna crush

[uneven summit]

Is there a trick to using beacon for us? timingwise

mine seems to be doing less than others

[clever sapphire]

yes, you have to pray to whispyr before casting it

and hope it crits

(it just has to crit thats all)

[balmy condor]

bro I'm tipsy as hell

don't pray to me for nothing

[subtle tundra]

Drinking again

[balmy condor]

unless you want me to rant about why urban planners simply add another another lane instead of fixing the issue of actual traffic

[subtle tundra]

I shouldn't be the one to talk. I've been naughty recently

[balmy condor]

I now work 1 day

instead of 4

they cut 80% of my hours

I have a reason to drink

[subtle tundra]

that's not reason to drink

[balmy condor]

yes it is

[subtle tundra]

I want to drink....

But I feel so guilty

[deft flicker]

Reading your rants is fun

[subtle tundra]

I learned wine gets me tipsy fast

[balmy condor]

I hate the NA design complex catering to single-user vehicles and then they fully misunderstand why traffic exists

I don't fucking get it man

[deft flicker]

That sounds hilarious (which probably means it’s awful to live within that mess)

[balmy condor]

they expand a 4 lane highway to a 5 lane highway

because more lanes = better

but the highway isn't the fucking problem

it's the actual congestion within the cities

and instead of providing alternative routes or public transportation options that would help decongest the actual sore point

they just add a lane to a highway

and then more people can sit in traffic at once

thats what my taxes do I guess

pog

[deft flicker]

We had a 2-lane road expanded to a 3-lane road. Would you like to guess the reason??

[balmy condor]

probably to help ease traffic

but like

[deft flicker]

Like no extra space they just redid the painted lane thing

[balmy condor]

they don't get that it's not the fucking mega roads that are the problem

it's insane to me

[deft flicker]

They made a bus lane

[balmy condor]

based

we have a couple of smart traffic lights that turn green when busses are approaching

[deft flicker]

Except there’s like 1 bus every 20 min or so

[balmy condor]

but it's like

1 smart light every 3

so it doesn't actually fix anything

and then the project is a "failure"

because it didn't provide a benefit

and they lose funding

love it

[deft flicker]

And now we have reflective white paint for new lanes + reflective black paint for old lanes

[balmy condor]

it's like the same shit as climate change

everyone always talking about how climate change gonna wreck the earth

and then when changes happen

they suddenly don't want to invest

like you talked big game about how much you cared 5 min ago

what happened to that

commit to it

[deft flicker]

That’d be too easy

[balmy condor]

if you wanna help busses with smart lights

you gotta make the entire route smart lights

don't make a third of them smart

and then complain that the busses get stuck

[deft flicker]

You know what’s even funnier?? The bus lane lasts for like 700m, then it disappears and reappears later

[balmy condor]

every time anything happens with money I'm fully convinced that billionaires and mega corporations are actually the dumbest motherfuckers that I have ever seen in my life

[balmy condor]

we have a bus lane for 4 stops on the edge of town, and when you get into the heart of the town, that merges into the regular road

and then it's back to traffick

like

[deft flicker]

Funny ahh

[balmy condor]

are you fucking high

what are you doing

[deft flicker]

No fucking clue

[balmy condor]

people took 4 years of uni for that

[deft flicker]

Also our bus lanes are only on one side of the road

[balmy condor]

there's people with degrees

walking amongst us

breathing the same air

that do this shit for a living

[deft flicker]

Those are tilt degrees

Dudes were upside down for too long, brain vessels popped due to blood pressure

[balmy condor]

idk

just a little bit

of logical thought

and a bit less personal greed

would do the world a lot of good

[brazen zodiac]

lil bit

[balmy condor]

idk

being selfless doesn't make money

world is fucked

[subtle tundra]

I need bitches

[balmy condor]

teachers being one the least paid professions

is actually laughable

[deft flicker]

Yep

[deft flicker]

It does. Just not fast enough for people to consider it meta

[balmy condor]

money making meta

kill me

need a money tier list

[deft flicker]

https://youtu.be/Me9fCKNvBBE

Here

[balmy condor]

oh I've seen this

[deft flicker]

A smol dude I found in raspberry bushes today

[balmy condor]

[deft flicker]

woerm

[royal lantern]

you found friends

[deft flicker]

Ye

Frens gud

[night delta]

Consider rerolling druid

[deft flicker]

Nah

Druid has no woerm foerm

[arctic venture]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[vapid sierra]

Make them fight

I got 20$ on worm

(Don’t actually)

[ebon notch]

you need a whole lot more than that bud

[clever sapphire]

outlaw mains going through a crisis like we did when there where theories of pressing CT in ST, because now they may press BF in ST

sounds fun

[open heart]

What should i do crafting wise: 2x 437 daggers / 2x 424 embelish pieces or 2x 424 daggers / 2x 437 embelish pieces

[clever sapphire]

sounds complicated, probably sim it?

also maybe 437 MH, and 437 toxic boots (or slimy if you multispec)

i personally wouldnt craft a 437 or 424 OH

[open heart]

Alright, cheers

[royal lantern]

lets not excuse a shit "change" allright

cus that thing is so stupid, who came even up with the idea

AND thought its good

[clever sapphire]

oh ye it is, most fun thing about outlaw was having 30 minutes of SnD when dungeon is over

i never said its not shit

[cerulean nest]

is the outlaw set bonus "fun" at all?

have yet to try it

[clever sapphire]

no idea, ask in outlaw channel

but im pretty sure its a noninteractive tset that you dont even notice

[royal lantern]

passive dmg bonus

[cerulean nest]

F

[wary ice]

oh man i missed whysper making fun of civil engineers 😦

[deft flicker]

As fun as having access to tap water

Or functioning lightbulbs

The only time you interact with the thing is Homie Snap (sending An’shuul and sniping the set dot with BtE)

[cerulean nest]

tap?? 🤯

[deft flicker]

🚰

Idk maybe your country names it differently

Or imagine your house having a door

[clever sapphire]

whats this "door" you talk about

[deft flicker]

Same level of fun I’d reckon

[deft flicker]

🚪

This is a door

[clever sapphire]

oh cool

whats behind it?

[deft flicker]

Idk

[clever sapphire]

rogue patch notes probably

[deft flicker]

But your reaction fits perfectly

[supple snow]

but the key is lost

Lole

[deft flicker]

Ye got Vectored

[clever sapphire]

wanna see whats behind the door?

i got leaks

[supple snow]

5% all dam?

[clever sapphire]

https://tenor.com/view/dead-end-archduke-fernando-danger-force-open-the-door-scream-gif-19321805

[supple snow]

=))

[clever sapphire]

nothing

gotcha

[deft flicker]

🥬

[gusty mirage]

Oh we’re doing the complaining about no changes thing again?

[clever sapphire]

nope

we got asked how the outlaw tierset feels

then i asked what a door is

then i asked whats behind the door

[gusty mirage]

[clever sapphire]

now we are here

[gusty mirage]

I have one response to this

https://tenor.com/view/cat-spin-spinning-kitty-3d-gif-25662036

[clever sapphire]

[gusty mirage]

It’s spinning using its front legs as the pivot point and it’s throwing me off

[idle inlet]

Is this one of the gifs you can make go the other way if you think about it hard enough

[gusty mirage]

Okay I thought I was tripping out because I felt like it was moving

[clever sapphire]

i have been staring at the cat for 3 minutes now, i got a headache

[storm belfry]

Good morning

[clever sapphire]

Mornin?

im about to leave work

huh

[spice spire]

It’s only morning

It’s good if I were fishing

[gusty mirage]

????????

[spice spire]

??????

[vestal wren]

?????

[austere fulcrum]

Went to fishing I guess

[spice spire]

Mood

[thorn fjord]

Fresh water or salt?

[storm belfry]

I was arriving to work

[pseudo hamlet]

How good is the Anvil trinket(from Amalgamation)?
It shows me that the HC version of it is better than 441 Nelth(or 447 Dice, cant see the variation).

[clever sapphire]

A bad roulette that you will never win

[clever sapphire]

Of course its from asmongolds server, who else would have this emoji

[pseudo hamlet]

So not worth it? Ok, will pug HC Zskarn then

[clever sapphire]

Dunno, from what i have heard its only good for pala and dh

[limber lion]

If it sims better, it's better.

[idle inlet]

Is there a specific reason that 450 neltharion trinket sims worse for me than a 437 beacon I thought that they were near equal. I know I must do as the sim guides but it would be nice to have insight into why neltharion is so not nearly as good as beacon when it's supposed to be slightly better

[limber lion]

Link the sim

[idle inlet]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/wgKr1g2Lxo6SFWBk2H1E6F

[storm forum]

maplestory maintenaince, time to shit post in class discords

[limber lion]

Because you're simming 6 minutes

Beacon gets an extra cast on average

Thus pushing it higher

[storm forum]

can you sim specific fight timers? like to emulate fights you're currently progging on? like 6:30 for rashok

[limber lion]

Yes

[idle inlet]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2kWeCozUKXK7RMhS5e5RiZ

Still worse

[limber lion]

Remove the variance and so on

[limber lion]

It's also probably because you're comparing a passive trinket to an active one.

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/xezTpBa7r3cUHN8wWX1qtp

The reason beacon and nelth trinket are at the top, is because they're used together with Bomb Dispenser which is an active trinket

Using bomb puts beacon on a cooldown, thus reducing its value

Using beacon together with essence/nelth pushes its value a bit

[idle inlet]

If only I could loot bombs ever

I have very rare trinket and very rare cloak but I can't get a stupid regular trinket to drop

[limber lion]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4qKsPuChinD6Ki9jXw45MU

This is a better comparison between beacon and nelth trinket

Both assuming you have bomb dispenser as trinket 1

Bomb dispenser is giga bis everywhere, just gotta find a trinket buddy to accompany it

But yeah

Nelth trinket is better than chromatic essence, if you have that

Ditch the essence and use beacon + nelth until you get bomb + nelth

[idle inlet]

I only have 444 nelth and it sims worse than my 441 oce plus black sims best for me somehow and I'm the only one in raid that uses it

[limber lion]

Oh ya sure if you got all the buffs in the raid then essence probably wins yeh

[storm belfry]

I love that name

[idle inlet]

All of my toons names are taco themed

And rogues hide so...

[raw cedar]

So Bomb is always BIS? even with Beacon?

[limber lion]

Yes

[plain flower]

Not nessarilly

Just sim

Beacon is only good if it crits

[misty holly]

Cold Blood time?

[balmy condor]

My blood always cold

I’m icy

[spice spire]

CB shiv time

[pseudo hamlet]

Ok, gonna farm halls now

[spice spire]

Except that

[limber lion]

oh okay

[spice spire]

[balmy condor]

[spice spire]

Pack it in boys, crits are all that matter.
We’re back to winds of winter. Nothing else you do matters. Just crit the proc or you won’t get a pink

[solid chasm]

[solid chasm]

beacon is the only reason i didnt parse good on rashok

[royal lantern]

and nelth trinket is only good if it procs in moments it does something

and dice is only good if it rolls good on stats and often

[solid chasm]

(real) (true)

[royal lantern]

pick your poison

[solid chasm]

atrophic

[royal lantern]

deadly

end my suffering

(im on 2nd day echo)

[solid chasm]

nah fam

[balmy condor]

And the beacon crit I guess is why bomb is good?

[solid chasm]

u dont get to end ur suffering

[balmy condor]

Or something

[solid chasm]

(we got brez)

[spice spire]

[solid chasm]

i played sin no IC on assault AMA

[balmy condor]

I played sepsis kb exsang on assault ama

[sweet dawn]

Did you skip the add phase?

[wary ice]

what were you on?

[solid chasm]

i dont know what two of those even do

[limber lion]

Hey I did that too

Based

[balmy condor]

Do I need to check my parse

[limber lion]

The boss phases a tiny bit too early

[balmy condor]

Am I in trouble

[spice spire]

Always

[limber lion]

Nonono

[balmy condor]

[solid chasm]

yeah i did half that damage

[balmy condor]

Are you talking heroic?

[solid chasm]

no

[balmy condor]

O

[spice spire]

120k in mythic

[limber lion]

O

[spice spire]

O

[balmy condor]

What’s it like not having extended week 2

[solid chasm]

i asked if i could swap to sub and press powder

[limber lion]

[spice spire]

I see why deeny sticks to sub

[storm forum]

KB sepsis exsang on normal with PI so you kill it in 30 seconds EZ

[solid chasm]

i waa told “everyone is ST”

[limber lion]

How fast was the kill? Like 25 ish?

[solid chasm]

[balmy condor]

That would be slow

[balmy condor]

28

[limber lion]

Damn

[spice spire]

https://tenor.com/view/tyler-lie-lol-not-telling-the-truth-that-was-a-lie-gif-13885912

[limber lion]

I've yet to kill it with the dank build and it not flying the fuck away

[balmy condor]

We had rank 1 speed like 3-4 weeks ago with a 29

[lethal mortar]

guys what if the reason rogue's havent been touched is because they are waiting for blizzcon because the rogue changes are going to be so massive and awesome that it's going to be the main focus of the entire blizzcon

[balmy condor]

The dev had a personal emergency and it got delayed

[spice spire]

I enjoy that hopium

Truly

[lethal mortar]

oh, well fuck

[limber lion]

This is the worst sentence I've read today and I spent a good amount of time in the D4 thread today.

[spice spire]

Cev and I are the duality of man

[solid chasm]

ill have you know it was 125

[limber lion]

It's true

[spice spire]

Even so

[limber lion]

I saw you praising Notter earlier and I honestly considered going "literally anyone can make a weak aura like that" but I stopped myself.

I'm a bad man.

[storm forum]

I would also have a personal emergency if i had to balance for us fuckheads

[gusty mirage]

holy shit

cev

[gusty mirage]

I would turn rogue into bfa survival hunter with the way people bitch and moan in here

no changes -> complain
changes -> complain

there's no winning with yall

[royal lantern]

whats so bad about the D4 thread

hataro takes?

[limber lion]

No, I don't read the thread whenever he's there

[storm forum]

thats literally every spec/class in any mmo

[royal lantern]

reminder that DF assa is fine gameplay wise

[gusty mirage]

ofc it is

[royal lantern]

idk, it needs help with build variety and in aoe

[gusty mirage]

it's the same shit

[royal lantern]

thats it

[gusty mirage]

with 3 new buttons

[storm forum]

DF assa feels fun as hell yeah

[gusty mirage]

congrats

lmao

[limber lion]

I enjoy it in raids

[gusty mirage]

people who play this spec play it because they like it

[royal lantern]

tbf, do you want a spec that suddenly is completely different?

[gusty mirage]

go read the other people's takes when assassination is the strongest

they're crying rivers

actual rivers

[royal lantern]

like, i play assa cus its assa and i like assa

and gameplay wise, DF assa is 1 of the best "modern"(aka legion and later) assassination version, if not the best

[spice spire]

Good things should be praised upon, even if they’re easy.
He worked to make sure it was as easy as possible

[royal lantern]

its just struggeling in aoe and build variety

[storm forum]

AoE is just in a weird place where half of us just want ez boring mode IC on a 20 second CD or remove IC and make it complex-ish again

[royal lantern]

[spice spire]

I try to be positive man

[gusty mirage]

just tag seli bro

IC is insanely cool

[limber lion]

That's good!

[gusty mirage]

our dots just don't do damage

[limber lion]

I used to be a positive Andy back in the day as well

[gusty mirage]

unlucky

[limber lion]

Anyways

I'm honestly at a point where I don't even know what I want from Assassination

There's been so much doomsaying and gaslighting

[royal lantern]

like, the biggest improvment would be a "rework" for CT

atleast imo

[limber lion]

Do I want IC to change? Do I really want to play Kingsbane? Would Exsang be fun or not? Would I enjoy spreading dots after playing with IC so much? Idk man

It's all a massive blur

[gusty mirage]

you want options

[thorn fjord]

Cev has become jaded

[gusty mirage]

to be able to sit down and make that decision for yourself

[thorn fjord]

Oh no

[spice spire]

I mean you’re not wrong

[gusty mirage]

the problem is, we don't have any

[spice spire]

Cev has been jaded for a bit

[limber lion]

I think KB is the only thing I really wanna see changed or the things that force me away from KB

[idle inlet]

I want windfury baked into the class so I can quit waiting for my raid leader to find one

When is that rework happening

[gusty mirage]

never

[limber lion]

hopefully

[gusty mirage]

they're adding a support spec

and you think they're gonna rework WFT?

😛

[idle inlet]

Fucking fuck

[limber lion]

4th Rogue Spec. The Potion Master Rogue

Oh wait that was the Crimson Vial rework we were promised after BFA

[idle inlet]

Stop your gonna give blizzard ideas

[limber lion]

Uhm

[gusty mirage]

any day now

it's coming bro

trust

[limber lion]

It's been 2 years man

[gusty mirage]

thank god they didn't nerf vial in anticipation of those buffs

oh

awkward

[spice spire]

[limber lion]

But yeah, there's devs and staff changing every year so the ideas some devs might have had for the spec might not transfer over to the new devs

[storm forum]

I definitely want to play KB, I can go either way with IC as long as the replacement is sufficiently fun and not just "hey DoT 6 things and then go back to what you did before" cause thats honestly kinda lame, Exsange is definitely medium minus for me, I'd be fine not seeing it again unless we get nyalotha haste again.

[idle inlet]

Is that why it doesn't feel like vial does anything

[limber lion]

Why would Ny'alotha haste make Exsang feel any better?

Why does it matter if it's 5% haste or 75%

[gusty mirage]

because it's healing you for 5% of your health every second

and the rot damage you take in raid

is significantly higher than that

[limber lion]

Wait

Does Vial give DR?

[gusty mirage]

no

[royal lantern]

everytime i think im a dirty spec 1 trick

i see a blue name with hidden opportunity icon that says stuff like "assa is shit because i dont wanna do dmg based on poison bomb rng" and i realise that im not that bad

[storm forum]

I thought it was really funny pressing mut after exsang and our energy bar didnt move down

[limber lion]

So they scrapped that and reduced the healing

[gusty mirage]

[limber lion]

God vial used to be goated

[royal lantern]

(and the fact that i have more playtime as sub then assa this patch, cus lmao assa m+)

[gusty mirage]

there's people still talking about RtB rng for outlaw

when it hasn't been a thing in years

[storm forum]

i want permanent feint back

[royal lantern]

reddit level takes

[limber lion]

But isn't that what Deathmark does already?

[royal lantern]

litearlly redditors that say that shit

OMG OUTLAW BAD CUS RTB RNG

meanwhile they play frostmage or shit like that

[thorn fjord]

BM Hunter

[limber lion]

I legit had someone tell me that Outlaw is super RNG and that's the reason they're not allowed to play it on Sark

[gusty mirage]

so true

[limber lion]

99% variance

You either pump and top the meters

[gusty mirage]

has nothing to do with rogue is already dogshit on sark

[limber lion]

Or you're dead on the ground

[gusty mirage]

and outlaw is the worst

by far

must be the variance

[storm forum]

effectively, kind of, we still dip down to double digits if we have to press 3 muts

[thorn fjord]

This sucks to look at

[gusty mirage]

also frost mage has a 0dps parse

and their median is still higher than all 3 rogue specs

just think about that for a second

LMAO

[royal lantern]

yeha but rogue op

[limber lion]

LMAO that Frost Mage line is fucking dank

Holy

[storm forum]

i definitely cackled after double haste proc trinket hero exsange and mut literally didnt move my energy bar

[limber lion]

So you wasting like a thousand energy during Exsang made it fun?

Interesting

[storm forum]

yeah

millions of energy wastes

[royal lantern]

saw somone say "rogues just complain because they are not top tier in every area for the first time in 18years"

asked him how the class can be "top tier in every area for 18years" when its the LEAST PLAYED CLASS SINCE LEGION, THATS 7 YEARS

[storm forum]

on nzoth kills

[limber lion]

I think the reason Exsang/Haste was fun, was solely because of Shrouded Suffocation being so strong

[storm forum]

cause it was always the start of the last phase

that i remember

[gusty mirage]

because outlaw was broken for 2 seasons in bfa

duh

[limber lion]

Not because Exsang was strong or because we had 100% haste

Legit only because of Shrouded Suffocation doing 60% of our damage

And both haste and Exsang work to make that even stronger

[gusty mirage]

you didn't see the MDIs with double outlaw rogue??/

[gusty mirage]

god I miss bfa

shrouded suff was so fucking nice

just CRANKING damage with garrote

[limber lion]

Imagine if we had that with current Sepsis

Sheesh

Perma SS

[idle inlet]

Uggggghhh oxi it's so hard to not feel the doom when someone shows me the stats on sark dps

[gusty mirage]

I mean

its better for boss damage

if it makes you feel any better

[idle inlet]

Oh wow

That does make me feel better actually lol

[limber lion]

Assa :stonks:

[runic hinge]

Assa op

[idle inlet]

🙂

[storm forum]

with overall, it's just the rogues and the other physical bleed specs at the bottom cause they cant insta burst adds

[gusty mirage]

execute + having 50% haste for your cooldowns

kinda nice

[idle inlet]

Just don't tell the bm hunter in my guild so I can cry about how I need rework more than them

[snow kindle]

They need more interactive abilities with assassination

[loud light]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/jRwvqkhpGY89yF3X#fight=5&type=damage-taken&source=6&view=events&translate=true what a champ, dc'd or something and just died to bomb, got his zero parse

[gusty mirage]

after last tier, hunters are forbidden from crying about anything ever

[idle inlet]

Big facts

[storm forum]

bm hunters arent allowed to complain, it's in the geneva conventions

[idle inlet]

Fucking stupid bow

[gusty mirage]

in fact I hope they delete the entire class

fuck hunters

[snow kindle]

Cmon man MM is goated

[runic hinge]

Fuck hunters

[limber lion]

Probably last pull of the night but the Frosty Boy wasn't having it and ditched.

[snow kindle]

I was a Hunter before rogue

[storm forum]

MM can complain about how annoying it is to grab hero pet and nothing else

[gusty mirage]

hunters jump into any conversation people have about underperforming classes because they're sad that they were only top dps for 80% of last tier

[idle inlet]

God I remember logging on warcraft logs for the first time and seeing that bm was miles better in st then anyone else and almost rerolling

[snow kindle]

The only cringe part of playing hunter is when BM is the best spec MM should always be the best

[gusty mirage]

I remember looking at wcl and seeing frost mage and bm hunter in the top 3

and then waking up to them getting buffed

rogue got absolutely obliterated by the balance team last tier for being strong during heroic week

and arcane & devoker didn't get touched

imagine

even though they were just as strong

[wary ice]

"Rogue is blizzards favorite class"

[storm forum]

rogue is one of the lowest play rate classes for a reason

[gusty mirage]

idc if rogue gets nerfed, or if we're not super strong. I care about consistency in balancing

if you wanna say rogue is OP in season 1

[royal lantern]

the internet has such shit takes on rouge, its actually ridicolous

saw another bigbrain redditor saying that rogue is good for incorperal, because they can just kidney->gouge->kick->vanish cheapshot to interupt it

told him that by that logic warrior is good for it because they can stormbolt->shockwave->int shout->kick

and just got "wtf no, then you wasted all cc for 1 add and need to target it the entire time"

ARE THEY THAT STUPID AND NOT REALISE WHAT THEY ARE TYPING??????

[gusty mirage]

nerf arcane and devoker

don't buff classes that are already top 5 in ST

just do it with some consistency

that's all I ask

[runic hinge]

Reddit is just warlocks and hunters. That all got killed by rogues in og classic and never moved on. I’m convinced.

[gusty mirage]

reddit also said I come in here and pick fights with people every day

[limber lion]

We are truly the villains of Ravenholdt.

[gusty mirage]

you weren't even named

[limber lion]

Wtf

[gusty mirage]

ronkles, shiennar and myself were highlighted as the problem

[storm belfry]

Based as always Oxi

[gusty mirage]

re-read that list

ronkles

literally the nicest human being to ever exist

[limber lion]

I guess I'm a low CF scum

[gusty mirage]

they did call guy an asshole

so you gotta step your game up

[limber lion]

Not good enough for hate threads

Damn it

[spice surge]

Thats just the shadowblades that were online when he was typing it

[gusty mirage]

idk man

there's a secret rogue discord where I cannot oppress them

until the day I find it

https://tenor.com/view/captain-phillips-look-at-me-im-the-captain-now-gif-5038544

[royal lantern]

ronkles is like, the 1 mod name here that is not even sarcastic

[storm forum]

ronkles is so nice and pure i literally dont know who they are

literally never heard of this person before

[royal lantern]

check the top right of the discord users here

[gusty mirage]

good ol' ronkley

[storm forum]

thats a good dog

wow its not his dog

this has been a rollercoaster of emotions

[thorn fjord]

Life is cyclical

#assassination is proof

[subtle tundra]

i wish i were called a problem

[thorn fjord]

Ronkles is an OT andy

[thorn fjord]

surprised Whispyr wasnt mentioned there lol

If you catch him on the right day he can be pretty spicy

[blazing jewel]

Oxi and his gang of RH thugs

[gusty mirage]

I'll show you a thug buddy

[earnest remnant]

true

[austere fulcrum]

yo quick question what is the difference between Shrouded suff. vs zoldyck 3/3 ?

on Rashok

[blazing jewel]

If you get two DMs in execute 3/3 good

If not play shrouded

Mostly depends if your raid absolutely maxes the time of that fight

[gusty mirage]

^

[blazing jewel]

Like 2s before hard enrage

[spice spire]

Buddy I’ll show you a hard enrage

[royal lantern]

(he plays fury warrior)

[gusty mirage]

[blazing jewel]

Yo

Sin in the last phase of sark goes hard

[gusty mirage]

yes

I fucking told you that

and you were like DURR SUB BETTER P2 DAM DURRR

[blazing jewel]

I had a pull where I was second and only slightly behind our uh dk

Buddy guy

We’re still fighting for 13th place

[gusty mirage]

buddy guy man dude

p3 boss damage

and I fucked up a sepsis

it's why I played sin for most of prog

[blazing jewel]

I was around 110 for boss damage during p3 low pulls

Not the kill pull because someone decided to one shot the dragon

Our p3 damage for the kill

[gusty mirage]

you're 445?

what the fuck lmao

[blazing jewel]

Yea lol

Replaced both rings

[gusty mirage]

[gusty mirage]

lmao bruh

[spice spire]

Craft you a belt

[blazing jewel]

Sark belt “soon”

Craft be a second ring so it’s easier to swap between specs without recrafts

[gusty mirage]

mfer

is 445

with a NORMAL

BEACON

[blazing jewel]

Idk what I did for p2 but I figured it out somehow

Did 130k p2

[gusty mirage]

friendly reminder

that stealthi swore at me

cause I had better trinkets than him

a month ago

[blazing jewel]

8% avoidance

[gusty mirage]

nice 450 dagger guys

must be nice

[blazing jewel]

[fringe oxide]

I know exsanquinate is but is it also in aoe? the aoe opener is still showing exsanguinate and so are builds on subcreation

[gusty mirage]

I'm notorious for not getting max ilvl daggers until like the ass end of the tier

[blazing jewel]

It’s time for change

[gusty mirage]

it happened in 9.1, happened in 9.2, happened in 9.2.5, happened in 10.0, happening again

in fact I didn't see a rygelon dagger

until the last week of 9.2.5

lol

got my brood dagger 2 weeks before 10.1 launched

[blazing jewel]

I still don’t know how vel did 200k to fucking sark

Eternally tilted

[earnest remnant]

just look at his smallies dmg

[blazing jewel]

He’s r3 boss damage

[earnest remnant]

welcome to evoker

[gusty mirage]

he's just better bro

[royal lantern]

🙂

[gusty mirage]

nerf rogue though

[royal lantern]

wanna know the story?

behind exsang and aoe?

[fringe oxide]

I like stories and I like you guys as I am always lurking and reading stories

[royal lantern]

DM is worthless in aoe

tierset gives more nature dmg when dm is over

[gusty mirage]

wait hol' up

you promised to talk about exsang and aoe

[royal lantern]

so its a aoe gain to exsang your dm

🙂

[earnest remnant]

only got magmorax left now oxi

[gusty mirage]

this story sucks

[earnest remnant]

soon

im free

[blazing jewel]

Are you not in for the rest

[gusty mirage]

just don't raid

and be free all the time

[fringe oxide]

That story is making me feel eerie

[gusty mirage]

they already cleared the rest

[earnest remnant]

we only hve that left

we have the skip buddy

[blazing jewel]

Oh you started with skip

Gotcha

Getting the skip is actual bis because no tooltip for half your screen on nelth

[earnest remnant]

you can just turn that off

if you use elvui

[blazing jewel]

Tf

None of my raid could figure it out lol

[earnest remnant]

i have to turn off in combat

[blazing jewel]

They were just abandoning the quest

[limber lion]

Dead everywhere, do not play it ever.

[earnest remnant]

p3 sark

with me padding with beacon

[fringe oxide]

Thanks guys! I am not too hot on the current exsang anyway so you guys are legends

[gusty mirage]

so here's the thing

I need you to find the closest mirror

and look into it

[blazing jewel]

That’s pretty solid

[gusty mirage]

because the only legend here is you

[blazing jewel]

When are they removing assault from all stars

[gusty mirage]

and the mirror you're looking into holds the true legend

[fringe oxide]

This is too nice

Sin rogue discord is the best

Frick the haters

[balmy condor]

@arctic walrus you're supposed to be doing 200k not 118 what's wrong buddie did you not eat your wheaties

[ebon notch]

wait vel is still here?

[gusty mirage]

ofc

did you think he left

[balmy condor]

as opposed to what

[ebon notch]

ye

[balmy condor]

him not being here?

[ebon notch]

those are the two states of being yes

[balmy condor]

idk maybe he's like in a shrodingers cat situation

[blazing jewel]

Vels a “bad dragon” put some respect on his name

[gaunt moat]

So uh...
now that they've buffed every other spec
When our we getting our next 5%?

[ebon notch]

stares at ret pala

[arctic walrus]

When you @ me just give me a role please

I pyred the least out of the top logs @earnest remnant I aint padding on god

[arctic walrus]

Old whispyr was chill you've changed

[spice spire]

[arctic walrus]

r1 healing on the first kill r1 dps on the 2nd kill

is 3rd kill r1 simp?

[gaunt moat]

But on the bright side, we're still simming better than ww. so that's something.

[blazing jewel]

Ain’t no way you’re playing augmentation

[arctic walrus]

I'm mediocre dev may as well help the raid

[gaunt moat]

(And I heard Havoc sims 10% higher than they should)

[blazing jewel]

[arctic walrus]

I'm literally below average, 6/10 all star can't even break 50%

[blazing jewel]

Maybe if we didn’t meme strat assault

[balmy condor]

I've changed for the better, I'm thriving and diving

[arctic walrus]

dive on buddy

anyway pce out

[blazing jewel]

TFW vel is rank 6 all star and I’m rank 7sin

Crying in the club right now

Can’t beat him

[gaunt moat]

oh wait, there's two WW builds. nvm, whe're simming dead last

[gusty mirage]

that profile is uh

not exact

[gaunt moat]

comparing to real life on WCL charts, it's not very far

[subtle tundra]

haha i got 450 dagger

haha

(my first kill, sub expires in 2 days)

WITH AVOIDANCE

[sweet dawn]

Are you not renewing that sub til s3?

[subtle tundra]

idk

dont care about the game

[sweet dawn]

Understandable tbh

[winter gale]

Any tip&trick as a rogue on Magmorax Mythic?

[strange python]

Do dam, don't die

[still swallow]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[gusty mirage]

you also bought pvp pants with your curio

[subtle tundra]

Yes I did

Think it's my only 447 non crafted slot

[earnest remnant]

dont get knocked into lava

<- dont be like this clown

[blazing jewel]

No shot you did that

[earnest remnant]

i went scuba diving for like 20 sec

very nice

[blazing jewel]

Unbinding shadowstep before the pull is a bold strategy

[earnest remnant]

nah i was sleepy

and got pressed it just before the knock happened

so i got sent flying

[strange python]

The raid is fucky in the lava. Shadow step to a friend? Enjoy swimming back up while burning.

[earnest remnant]

and went "dun dun dun dun dun dun dun under da sea" (typed while humming under the sea)

[blazing jewel]

You weren’t just sleepy if you were doing that

[earnest remnant]

well i was looking at the cast

and then pressed step at like 0.1-0.2

left of the cast

woops

[blazing jewel]

I had a moment on sark last night

Where I took the gate .1s early

Landed first and thought oh no not again

Get knocked off the platform and spam my mouse over step

“Who got knocked nobody is dead”

[gusty mirage]

cry as you just rot to damage while your healers figure out how to not sweat every second of that fight

you can feint the roar

so I guess that's one tip

lol

cloak negates damage for 3s and is actually fucking useless

because it doesn't clear stacks

[blazing jewel]

If you get the big run out circle that would be your best time to cloak

[balmy condor]

Feint this

Rawrrr~~ :3

[gusty mirage]

:feint:

we don't have a feint emote

failed server

[blazing jewel]

[gusty mirage]

I blame zine

mostly because he's never here and he's easy to blame

[bronze pike]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1118932301859000431.gif?size=96&quality=lossless

heres your feint emote

[gusty mirage]

this is why I love you more than everyone else

I would say don't tell them

but do tell them

I need them to know they're failing me

[storm belfry]

[gusty mirage]

pls come back

[bronze pike]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1094647541657763870.gif?size=96&quality=lossless

[storm belfry]

I am still raiding as rogue

[gusty mirage]

yeah but you've been busy and mia around here

and I miss you

[storm belfry]

It’s been a tough month for me irl. So I haven’t been super active

[spice spire]

We know tho

[gusty mirage]

@spice spire not you

you stink

[storm belfry]

Been sick but I’m getting over it finally

[gusty mirage]

hope things are getting better my friend

[half dawn]

anyone wanan take a look at progress log from rashok? I wanna know where I can improve to help my guild kill this fkn boss

[storm belfry]

Thanks homie I’m trying. Focusing on getting better. Life is hard

[half dawn]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/mNLn3pXQf2c194KY#fight=32&type=damage-done

I'm the Assa rogue

[burnt latch]

Tell your other rogue to press feint

[half dawn]

anything I'm fucking up ?

[gusty mirage]

uh

I'd reckon this is the bigger problem

[burnt latch]

Asking the wrong guy, im just here to check the death-to-feint ratio

You passed that check think youre doing good

[storm belfry]

[half dawn]

I've started trying to line up / save shiv for sepsis

[half dawn]

welp, this isn't nwes to me. I've been on this boss for 80 or 90 pulls now

[limber lion]

The second your team stops trolling and focus on living the encounter, is when you'll kill the boss

[storm belfry]

Good

True and real, Cev

[gusty mirage]

like your cp waste is non-existent, your energy waste is solid, your bleed uptimes are good

I could go through your rotation, and there's probably enough there for you to squeak out like 4-5k more dps

[half dawn]

Yeah man. Its frustrating Cev but idk lol

[gusty mirage]

but jesus your teammates are uh letting you down to say the least

[half dawn]

only so much I can do

[storm belfry]

🐭

[half dawn]

yeah well

if we somehow kill it on Monday, we start locking the raid

[gusty mirage]

like you cast feint and vial 14 combined times

[half dawn]

wait nvm we stated locking it this week

[gusty mirage]

that's a lot of energy spent trying to stay alive

and globals

[storm belfry]

^

[half dawn]

i'm talented into free vial + cheap feint

if i dont cast it on every soak I'm worried I won't get healed

lol

[gusty mirage]

oh you too?

[half dawn]

vial for the absorb

yeah

[storm belfry]

I mostly worried about pressing those towards the end of the fight

[gusty mirage]

people think rogues are immortal

for some reason

[storm belfry]

That’s when healers are running dry

[half dawn]

i'm using cloak on intermissions

[storm belfry]

And damage is big

[gusty mirage]

so our healers like don't even look at us

[blazing jewel]

oxis immortal in our hearts

[burnt latch]

Im pretty sure the evoker Dragonkag clicks his health potion btw @half dawn

[gusty mirage]

I would save cloak for the group soaks

[burnt latch]

Might wanna investigate that too

[spice spire]

Two quick things on the play side (your team is a bigger problem)
A. You wasted a bit of energy this fight, over 200 on it is pretty rough.
B. You rawdogged your pot at 5m. Just save it for 6 with coolies

[half dawn]

we have 9 people not using HP pots / stones at one point

[burnt latch]

Thats encouraging

[storm belfry]

Rawdogging

[burnt latch]

This is true and based btw

[half dawn]

second intermission requires me to hold vial + HP pot/stone if I don't ahve cloak

[burnt latch]

Theres two intermissions so u good

[spice spire]

Also wtf is this

[burnt latch]

Send hp pot into one and hs into one

[spice spire]

No Druid? No Druid buff?

[half dawn]

thanks, the 200 energy wasted - do you mean not pressing buttons or pressing wrong things?

[gusty mirage]

[spice spire]

I mean you overcapped

[half dawn]

ah

[spice spire]

Maximizing your time (while being safe) stepping etc

[limber lion]

No monk either

[storm belfry]

Wild

[half dawn]

No druid, no monk, no warrior

[spice spire]

Oh it’s cursed

[limber lion]

Legit trolling

[half dawn]

for most of the pulls