assassination

[arctic venture]

I mean, hehe sorry whispyr

😄

I would pick harlans, better in this way.

[balmy condor]

but why is it better

[arctic venture]

because my simc says soo heheh

[runic hinge]

No friends for essence

[balmy condor]

smh

[arctic venture]

be selfish!

[idle inlet]

Can someone tell me the secret tech to get dbd to be in my vault tomorrow

[runic hinge]

Same

[blazing jewel]

You go into your bathroom

Turn off the light

And yell WHISPYR WHISPYR WHISPYR

Then you turn on the lights and it’s there

[clever sapphire]

what about bacon?

any secret tricks for that

[gusty mirage]

crit it

that's the secret

[clever sapphire]

no i meant for getting it

[gusty mirage]

oh

don't want it

[clever sapphire]

i have 437 dice and 441 bracken trinket

havent gotten anything else this season

so i kinda do

[gusty mirage]

yeah but if you make the game think you don't want it

you'll get it

that's how I got it on my pally

I didn't want it, so obviously the weekly had to give it to me

[clever sapphire]

ah thats why my enha got bacon on first sark kill and feral bomb in first vault

[void mesa]

I agree with oxi's theory, my mage dropped an H bacon in vault and it was a pointless drop compared to other characters

[blazing jewel]

I still don’t have heroic beacon

Fairly certain the mythic ones are going to the m+ players in the guild

[clever sapphire]

okay i also dont want beacon now

i wouldnt mind some bacon

this trinket always makes me hungry

[strange python]

"oh red buff is out this boss someone go change off blue" isn't gonna fly in a lot of reclears tbh

[balmy condor]

good thing like 58 people in my 20 man raid play the damn thing then

[strange python]

Weird. We have only 6 who even want it

[balmy condor]

it's a bloodbath in loot council when it drops

[strange python]

Wild. Ours got passed to offspec

Casters hunting echo+spoils, melee hunting bomb+beacon/echo

[craggy oak]

my guild seen 2 beacons and 0 bombs across normal and hc

good game

[split grail]

Question: I know the annulet is getting nerfed in a couple weeks but I just simmed and the Loop of Pulsing Veins is simming about 2k higher. Is raidbots already using 10.1.5 info or is the annulet no longer BiS even now?

[strange python]

No. It's just good.

[balmy condor]

it's not bis currently, but 2k seems really high

[strange python]

If you have socket especially

Did you sim dungeon slice?

[split grail]

One sec and I'll resim. I may have messed something up. If I get the same results I'll link

[strange python]

If it's dungeon slice that sounds right to me

Annulet not great in dungeons

[balmy condor]

I mean it is pretty good in dungeons

but you gotta gem swap

[strange python]

Ugh effort

[balmy condor]

I just have a second ring

[split grail]

Now it's telling me it's a 1400 loss. I may have but in 537 ilvl or something the first time

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/eS3vQuGyAXDE4BYt6f8V86

There's the sim anyway

/shrug

[balmy condor]

you're simming single target with an m+ talent page?

[split grail]

You know what...I'm an idiot and forgot what talents I had on

[balmy condor]

yeh 99k single target

should be a big red flag

[split grail]

Honestly I wasn't looking at the overall and just looking at the +/- dps

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/jz1SqsfJHDMRHxuWcQSirf Seems more accurate. -444 dps without annulet

[balmy condor]

yeah that seems more reasonable

will point out that has exsang and sbs

[split grail]

Is that...bad?

[balmy condor]

we don't use either of those talents :P

[split grail]

Hmm...I didn't know that. I was just using the wowhead loadout

[proper tapir]

Yikes

[balmy condor]

I guess the bone spike one still takes exsang

but idk

[split grail]

Di...didnt you write the guide lol

[clever sapphire]

probably didnt update wowhead yet

[split grail]

Now I need to relearn how to use sepsis

[clever sapphire]

the exsang dm bug isnt that old yet

[split grail]

Oh yeah, even the sepsis build still has exan

[clever sapphire]

huh

where did you see that

[split grail]

I copied the wowhead build and its using it

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/rogue/assassination/talent-builds-pve-dps#raid-build-sepsis-dragon-tempered-blades

[clever sapphire]

i mean the dungeon build has it ye which is not updated yet

but the sepsis build doesnt for me

you dont mean doomblade by any chance right?

[proper tapir]

You should check out the FAQ page, but I have to warn you that it's written by the same reprobate #assassination-faq message

[balmy condor]

???????????

I literally clicked the link you send

it's not there

[clever sapphire]

red is exsang, yellow is doomblade

[proper tapir]

He's mixing up exsang and DB

[balmy condor]

[clever sapphire]

but the dungeon build has it under there

[balmy condor]

hm

[clever sapphire]

and the bonespike build on the overview page too

[split grail]

Im looking under rouge raid dragon sepsis

[gilded oasis]

imagine using almost the same red circle icon right next to each other

[balmy condor]

oh mother fuck those are still hardcoded builds

hate my life

[arctic venture]

indeed.

[gilded oasis]

we love your life tho

[balmy condor]

we moved onto site-wide talents

from the calculator

like this

and so I can on-click talent pages

except for the fact

[split grail]

confused, but about to do a key so I'll check later

[balmy condor]

that every time I open a page

there's another build

that's using the old way

[clever sapphire]

well i just look at any specs discord if im really interested in a classes talent builds, i just assume wowhead/icy-veins is always behind

[balmy condor]

of just hard-coding the build

they're a lot harder to update most of the time

and there's style constraints and stuff

it's a bit of a headache

[clever sapphire]

i have no idea about that, but updateing something thats published online on a webpage thats not made by you will always be harder than posting a message on discord and pinning it

[balmy condor]

and wowhead especially is split into like 75 different pages

which is great cause more clicks

but not great because if 1 tiny thing changes

[clever sapphire]

sounds like fun and enjoyment

[balmy condor]

you have to check like 15 different places

to make sure you didn't miss it

the wowhead guide for assassination is over 10,000 words

so like

sifting through a 25 page doc to make sure you didn't miss dotting an i halfway through

except it's segmented

so you have to open like 30 tabs

and then sift

[gilded oasis]

[balmy condor]

and hope you don't breeze past it

it's a bit of a nightmare

[clever sapphire]

sounds like wowhead updates should be a 20 h/week job

[balmy condor]

especially on these things where it's like "yeah that's a talent build, and this is a talent build too, looks good"

and then you update a build

and one of them didn't update

the sepsis build is linked on 4 different pages I think

so idk

am I supposed to update the talent page

then find all the places it's linked

and then check that those work

and then repeat for sbs

and then repeat for the dungeon builds

dungeon builds are on different pages as well

so can't even do the same page

oh! and the best part!

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/rogue/assassination/cheat-sheet

this shit isn't even in the guide

it's smoke and mirrors

the entire thing

is actually a completely different guide

that's just embedded onto a blank page

[gilded oasis]

[clever sapphire]

so wowhead actually just looks good but is hella scuffed in the background

daaaamn

[balmy condor]

so lets say I fix a talent build like sepsis

and then I find all the places that it's linked

and then I take the time to make sure the change went through on all of them

and I find the problem

and it's on the cheat sheet

now I need to go to a separate guide, which actually holds the cheat sheet

and then edit that

save that

then return back to the first page

and see if that fixed it

[gilded oasis]

just get an intern to check all the links and pages for you and report bck

give them a foot pic every now and then and call it good

[balmy condor]

we have peer reviews for all the big patches

[clever sapphire]

good thing is, on the raidtips page both of these are the same, neither of them have exsang

[balmy condor]

.5 and such

[balmy condor]

ISNT THAT FUN

[gusty mirage]

we love us some bb code

[balmy condor]

the only way to test those is to actually just press the buttons and then run them through the calculator

[clever sapphire]

ah found the faulty one

[balmy condor]

on every single one

[clever sapphire]

cleave build has exsang

[strange python]

FUCK. Our enhance sham quit

[clever sapphire]

[gusty mirage]

put me in coach

[balmy condor]

:)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

[gusty mirage]

oxisham is only level 52 tho

[balmy condor]

this is why I hate mid-tier updates

[strange python]

I will power level any enhance shamans who want to be my windfury friend

[balmy condor]

during big patches where I need to rewrite everything anyways

I just spend the 30 hours or whatever

rewrite the whole thing

check everything once

and good

because it's like a jenga tower

[clever sapphire]

damn im glad i dont have anything to do with this, i could accept doing this as a full payed job

[balmy condor]

the minute I start updating a small thing here or a small thing there

it's hourly

I get paid

it's just a headache

[strange python]

You could donate to whispyr

🙂

[gilded oasis]

I donate all my jokes to him

monka

[balmy condor]

I ain't complaining about doing the work or any of that

I just wish maintaining it

[strange python]

Shh trying to get you paid

[balmy condor]

wasn't so taxing

[gilded oasis]

nah it sounds like a headache tho to maintin

[balmy condor]

even just mentally remembering where all the places are that a build might be linked

[strange python]

What server

[balmy condor]

just melts you

[gusty mirage]

I think my shaman is on illidan still

[clever sapphire]

it just doesnt sound properly optimized for the people that are maintaining it

[strange python]

Hmm

[balmy condor]

and then you remove exsang and someone pings you like "hey on this one page, if you scroll to the third section, and then click on the 5th tab, you mention exsang, but the build doesn't take it"

and you're like

god fuck

[clever sapphire]

🤣

did you ever get pinned that you should add the ap/ic build to the wowhead page after it got rediscovered?

[balmy condor]

surprisingly I haven't

I have a talent page set up for it technically

I would just need to add another tab to everything

[clever sapphire]

you know why? because only people who check the discord regularly know about it and they dont really use wowhead

[balmy condor]

and shoe-horn it in

[proper tapir]

He's stilllll looooking into it..... Supposedly

[balmy condor]

well I say "just need to"

[balmy condor]

you'll be pleased to hear I just got cold blood to go

[clever sapphire]

ye lets keep it at that, if you add it so many new questions are going to arise if its better and why their ST sucks and whatnot

[viral garnet]

i just specifically found and joined discord for that reason

[proper tapir]

Like you kept specific logic for it, rather than use on CD?

[balmy condor]

no like that's the last thing I need to check

[clever sapphire]

if i remember correctly its envenom in ST and shiv in aoe, so there is a specific logic behind it

[proper tapir]

Nice, nice. But you don't get eggplant reactions until it's done. No partial credit

[balmy condor]

I'm okay with that

eggplant sucks

[clever sapphire]

ye i meant it more like there is a build thats not on wowhead (yet atleast), and only people using the discord and checking regularly would know about its existence

[proper tapir]

Yeah, that's how it should be. One day the simmmm will do that

[viral garnet]

yeah i joined because i assumed there would be more/up-to-date info here

[clever sapphire]

ah

[balmy condor]

technically if they use some dogshit external tool that scrubs logs like subcreation

they would see it too

[clever sapphire]

ye thats what smart people do

[balmy condor]

hiding amongst the rest of the builds

but then idk if subcreation users are actual humans

so there's that

[gilded oasis]

woah

[clever sapphire]

i mean i do use subcreation to check top builds for specs i never play

[balmy condor]

my suggestion is to like

not use it

at all

[clever sapphire]

since not many other discords are really up to date with talent pages or info in general, and wowhead is also not my trustiest source of info

im just cursed with this discord, the infos here are just too good and every other specs/classes info just always seems inferior

[proper tapir]

I use subcreation to see what specs I should take for M+, but when people don't invite me I'm super bitter about it (my spec is F tier)

[balmy condor]

seeing shit like this

is pretty good

I trust that this does not skew the data

even a little bit

[clever sapphire]

oh its also true, because most of the other rogues i see in my pugs represent this

[balmy condor]

wait

cold blood isn't even on here

just straight up not listed

very sick

[strange python]

Wait I lost windfury but I get pi

[balmy condor]

I fucking hate this page

[strange python]

Is this worth

[balmy condor]

what's even better

is when you look at the rankings

and it's like oh my god

uldaman F tier

underrot S tier

uldaman must be unplayable

but if you take even like 1 second to look at the data

[clever sapphire]

lookin at bloodmallet, pi is 600dps gain more than windfury

[balmy condor]

the difference is less than 8 points

thank you subcreation

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/why-not-both-por-que-no-los-dos-yey-gif-15089379

[balmy condor]

very cool

[strange python]

But does PI make exsang value

[clever sapphire]

oh i dont go that deep, i open a spec im interested in, i check what build gets the most play, i copy it, i close subcreation

[strange python]

Because oxisham isn't 70

[balmy condor]

and then the melee tier list, doesn't have an F tier

but this is further aparat

than the fucking dungeons?

??????????????

[clever sapphire]

assa rogue meta confirmed, outlaw almost as bad as assa in keys also confirmed

[balmy condor]

so for dungeons they're closer together statistically, and spread further for their magic list

[vestal wren]

tier lists are only used because they are tier lists

[gusty mirage]

true

[vestal wren]

"tier list" sells well

[balmy condor]

and for specs they're further apart, and spread closer for their magic list

like

this dude's gotta be coding on crack right

his evaluation method isn't even consistent across two side by side tier lists

what a bunch of clown shit

[clever sapphire]

tbf it seems like he has specs like sub and ret that always has to be A or S, and just starts a randomizer every week to see where it goes

affli just hardcoded F

[vestal wren]

its mostly a popularity chart

[storm forum]

good job guys, keeping assa rogue from F tier

[clever sapphire]

just to trigger it even more, Assa has higher keys done than feral or unholy and has more max points i assume than outlaw, and is under all 3 of these specs

[proper tapir]

I mean, it's just showing max and average. You need something to define the spread to make any reasonable comparison

[clever sapphire]

and this is why i dont look into details, i just look at the top used build and thats it for me

[gilded oasis]

I just close my eyes and pick talents

[proper tapir]

Just pick one from wowhead, it turns out some of those pages have sbs and exsang ya know

[gilded oasis]

[proper tapir]

It's basically already a random process at that point

[gilded oasis]

I actually havent updated my sin + build and still just have exsang

[clever sapphire]

just assume how bad other classes wowhead must be, if even whispyr doesnt manage to update all that shit

[vapid flicker]

is exsang better with 4pc

[clever sapphire]

anyways thanks for the nice lesson about wowheads coding and how shit it is to maintain, I appreciate all the wowhead guide people even more now (that try to keep the page up to date too and not just post some shit at the beginning of seasons)

[clever sapphire]

exsang and DM is currently bugged

doesnt duplicate exsanged bleeds

so its useless

thats why you dont take exsang

[vapid flicker]

gotchu

[balmy condor]

(This is why people don’t keep it up to date )

[clever sapphire]

understandable

DM doesnt duplicate exsanged poisons

[viral garnet]

lol

i just read where you said exactly that like 4 lines up 🙄

thank you

[clever sapphire]

i mean in the pins it says the duplicated dots arent getting sped up anymore, so i may be wrong? Or im just misunderstanding the pin

[balmy condor]

yeah

exsang speeds up garrote/rupture

dm should duplicate them

which should include the speed up

but it doesn't do that

[clever sapphire]

so i may or may not have had 0 idea what the 4set actually does and spammed CT when DM expired in aoe because i assumed it only buffs rupture and CT

🤣

[split grail]

So sorry/you're welcome for pointing out the wowhead thing lol

[balmy condor]

nah I knew about it I just try to not think about it

well

I knew it was fucked

I didn't know specifics

[split grail]

From now on I'll just use the discord

[balmy condor]

doesn't help I was kinda coping

that we just get a rework

and I can ignore it

and then it got delayed

I kinda just fucked myself over

[clever sapphire]

wait i just read the wowhead strengths/weaknesses, you compared assa aoe to outlaw and not sub?

[split grail]

So with sepsis do we just use ambush or is this gonna completely change how I rogue

[balmy condor]

sprinkling "outlaw" throughout my guide has a positive effect on SEO

[clever sapphire]

its in the pin

[balmy condor]

you garrote both buffs

[clever sapphire]

would read the sepsis part

explains everything about it

kinda

[split grail]

roger

[subtle tundra]

seo meaning what

article writer lingo

[balmy condor]

search engine optimization

[subtle tundra]

ah buzzwords

[runic hinge]

More clicks

[balmy condor]

more people search for outlaw on google

[clever sapphire]

(i totally didnt just google it because i assumed its a well known english word and didnt wanna ask)

[balmy condor]

so if I sprinkle outlaw into my guide

google thinks it's more relevant

very cool

[split grail]

How meta, googling seo

[balmy condor]

also like

outlaw is just a very popular class in general

so it's easier to compare

[split grail]

I liked outlaw in SL s4. Havnt played since

[subtle tundra]

buzzwords

[clever sapphire]

should have wrote combat to trigger all the outlaw fanboys and classic players for getting jebaited onto a dragonflight page

[blazing jewel]

Whispyr clickbaiter confirmed

[balmy condor]

contrary to what you think, you can't just say "buzzwords" to whatever you don't understand in an attempt to make yourself feel better about being uneducated

doesn't really work

[clever sapphire]

can i trigger your wowhead ptsd a bit more whispyr?

[balmy condor]

I mean go for it

I probably already have it in the back of my head

[balmy condor]

yeh

that's a classic

[clever sapphire]

feck, thought i found somethin secret

never even knew this part existed

[balmy condor]

it's okay, neither did I until last patch

[clever sapphire]

only started looking at the page xD

[blazing jewel]

Just paste his wowhead intro randomly

That’s always a winner

[balmy condor]

mystler wrote that during legion

and I've just kinda kept it in

because idk what the fuck I'm supposed to do about it

[balmy condor]

bro I know it's cringe okay

it's an intro

you can't make it not cringe

you don't gotta point out it's cringe

we all know

[blazing jewel]

I feel like it’s not cringe

But it’s the same thing as hearing your own voice on recording

The fact that the text to speech on twitch can properly do the uwu translated version was peak content though

[clever sapphire]

so i took all talents which is obviously impossible just to see what cursed shit comes out

and damn im glad we cant take it all

[balmy condor]

[balmy condor]

I had a convo about this piece of shit tool like 3 days ago

holy fuck

I hate that thing

so much

ready for this?

[clever sapphire]

[balmy condor]

that entire thing

is set up as follows

you have a list

you can add toggles

the toggles turn one of the items in the list on/off

that's it

[split grail]

I hate to be an asshole but when I click on the opener section in the table of contents in the FAQ it brings me to talent builds. Could someone treat me like an idiot and point me toward the opener

[balmy condor]

that's all the functionality

of the entire thing

[blazing jewel]

“Hey can you make the apl in simple terms on the website as if you took every talent”

[balmy condor]

they got big titles I'm sure you can find it

[split grail]

Never mind, I am in fact an idiot

[clever sapphire]

its just under there, probably discord linking or some shit

[gusty mirage]

hey can you this in your face?

[balmy condor]

so hypothetically right

lets say you want to say mut to 5 -> rupture -> gar

1. mutilate to 5
2. rupture
3. gar

great

that works

but lets say with ER you replace the mut with er

easy enough

1. mutilate to 5
2. ER
3. rupture
4. gar

[blazing jewel]

[balmy condor]

and you toggle 1 off and 2 on when you click ER

except do you see the issue

rupture is 3 now

and gar is 4

so if, idk, you want to add sepsis into that list

just hypothetically

you add it in

[subtle tundra]

no, i call buzzwords certain words that activate my brain
thats what i mean, outlaw is a buzzword for wow

[balmy condor]

it shifts the entire list down

so all the togglers

are now out of place

:)

because toggle 3 off

[stray sage]

that's funny

[balmy condor]

is the old 2

and toggle 15 on

is actually the old 14

and since it's an ordered list

it actually skull fucks

your entire thing

what if there's a talent that synergizes

like what if you play ER + exsang

differently from just ER

well, easy enough

you just have to make sure that the normal ER lines get toggled off when you hit exsang

and then the exsang toggle has lines for ER

but then if you toggle ER off

wait a minute

your exsang logic has ER lines

it's so much fun

[clever sapphire]

damn it sounds completly shit and hella scuffed, but its kinda fun to mess around with it currently. Can you find the 3 mistakes (i only found 3)

[stray sage]

3 to 4

[clever sapphire]

nvm found 4

[balmy condor]

and the worst part about all of this on top of the depressing codebase to deal with, is that it ain't even aimed at people in here

if you're in this discord

and reading this

there's like a 99% chance you're past the wowhead guide

the most skilled portion of the target audience is heroic raiders that might do a couple mythic bosses

and they open up wowhead and go "oh you can cloak the big boom on kazzara when the HP drops I didn't know that"

so I'm generally okay with recommending things in wowhead that might not be the most cutting edge 0.1% accurate things

[stray sage]

CrimsonTempest isn't used as a filler past 6 target right? it's fishing for poison bomb procs?

[clever sapphire]

4 would be that i have IC talented but its not used, because i clicked on kingsbane talent build twice up there and that removed IC from the rota since i should only select 1)

[clever sapphire]

sounds about right, i think wowhead is just there as a general idea and shouldnt be aimed to perfection

[balmy condor]

yeah but then "why is discord different from wowhead different from icyveins not accurate out of date bad guide please fix why not showing this build why using this utility point why opener why"

[clever sapphire]

as far as i know after DM poison bomb procs are always better (if you have 4pc), otherwise just keep all the bleeds up and then CT and PB are probably same result

[clever sapphire]

oh im just having fun with it, i told you i never really even looked at that page, i use discord for all the info i need

didnt mean to come off as someone thats complaining

im sorry

[balmy condor]

nah

I'm saying that's what happens

when I don't keep it on the cutting edge

I'll have people like that

2-3 a day sometimes

[clever sapphire]

ah, well there will always be someone that finds something to complain about

you could give them a second to second rotation and they will still complain if they dont get the exact timings because they have 1% haste less so that 0.1 energy lack made them miss a cast

this is kinda the reason why i cant bother working with people irl, i get triggered so easily at the dumb shit people do sometimes

[balmy condor]

[brazen zodiac]

:o

[balmy condor]

doing discord things and guide things

has taught me way more patience than I thought possible

and that's coming from mr therapy for anger issues

[abstract jacinth]

Well, TIL I’ve been doing multi target wrong, thought past 6 it was CT spam

[clever sapphire]

both results in the same shi

t

i only read about the PB after DM today because i never read the 4pc

[abstract jacinth]

Lmao fair enough

[clever sapphire]

but if you play the cursed build which we shall not name, there is no PB in there so you spam CT

[abstract jacinth]

I’m not that insane

[clever sapphire]

i am

not anymore

i was*

[balmy condor]

to note, the PB spamming is only better during the actual 30 seconds after DM, and you gotta hit the same amount of targets as CT

CT having twice the range

[abstract jacinth]

Hmm okay that makes more sense with what I remember reading before, especially if they were spread CT being better

[balmy condor]

baseline suggestion I give people is to maintain envenom and maintain CT

and then just kinda pick whatever you think would be better

big mob? envenom that dude

spread aoe? CT them boys

really clumped up mobs? might want to go pb fishing

[abstract jacinth]

I gotchyu, pretty similar to what I was already doing but wanted to double check, probably wasn’t going fishing quite as often as I should

[clever sapphire]

i do like me some fishing

[balmy condor]

I've never seen a more relatable shirt

[clever sapphire]

but like fishing is so chill, you just sit there for hours, drink some beers, talk with your friends/father and still not catch a single fish because those feckers dont want to bite

[balmy condor]

is this an M+ gearing analogy?

[clever sapphire]

then you get a sunburnt and are like a red crab for 3 days

i mean you kinda need beers to play m+ currently and enjoy it

not biting is not getting that damned dice

ye makes sense

[gusty mirage]

imagine turning bright red like a crab for being in the sun

[clever sapphire]

i had it on my arms and neck for 2 days after i had to clean my grandmas garden and it took a whole day, i forgot that suncream exists

and under the shirt im white as my walls

[abstract jacinth]

Could be me, granted that means I went outside to begin with…

[clever sapphire]

the youtube rabbithole truly is bizarre, went from pikaboo videos to why mosquitoes bite some people more than others

[gusty mirage]

bizarre?

that's important info man

so why do mosquitos bite some people more than others?

[clever sapphire]

im thinking if i should watch it or go to sleep

wait i found something better "the assassins teapot is weird"

maybe i will find out something about thistle tea

didnt help, i still suck at my tea usage

[earnest remnant]

Hey i do that. No bully

[balmy condor]

racism

I think it's just the sweetness of people's sweat mostly

they're attracted to sweet smelling sweat like a bee would be attracted to a nectar rich flower

same concept

so if you got sugar in your veins on your hike sipping on a gatorade or something

that's mosquito time

[clever sapphire]

that explains a lot, i live off of sweet stuff...

[gusty mirage]

yeah like that sweet ass of yours

I mean wait what

[clever sapphire]

https://tenor.com/view/hearthstone-sir-finley-mrrgglton-finley-mrrgglton-murloc-heart-eyes-gif-27539768

[strange python]

I've been finally released from tanking after aotc and gonna start bringing my rogue back. How's assassination looking?

We still dtb exsang?

[keen spruce]

no exang

[craggy oak]

pins faq much info

[keen spruce]

dtb, sepsis with lightweight shiv

lookin about the same as it has

the whole xpac

[runic hinge]

If they buff shiv again maybe we can ask for 3 shivs

Please sirs, one more shiv

I really am the only person who thinks I’m funny. But at least I’m laughing

[keen spruce]

am i the only person who thinks the knees in tonynugz pfp look like anime booba

and first glance

[runic hinge]

Those are my own knees

Stop sexualizing them

[keen spruce]

I didn't wanna make any assumptions

booba

[balmy condor]

more like Tokneenugz

[runic hinge]

Inappropriate

[shut owl]

but what would the third shiv do? 😛

[runic hinge]

20% more damage

[shut owl]

you'd get one additional shiv per fight I suppose

[runic hinge]

Oh wait what if it was like moonkins full moon and the third one did big dam

Actually just get me away from the stove. I do not need to cook

[spice spire]

You could line your shivs up with sbs

[tall atlas]

does frag oversim for all classes

or just rogue

[spice spire]

It’s specifically to do with mutilate being weird

So I’m pretty sure it’s just an us thing

But don’t quote me on that

[shut owl]

but why would you do that when we've got sepsis instead

[spice spire]

Sbs my beloved

[balmy condor]

quake's correct

[spice spire]

First time for everything

[keen spruce]

sbs = small brain syndrome

[spice spire]

Those are big words coming from the infamous dice truther

Puzzlebox denier

[burnt latch]

Bring back SL sbs

[spice spire]

I will never leave my love, mister herbo

When they change, I’ll change

[upper trail]

question, in the sepsis opener I am arriving at the second sepsis garotte before sepsis is even on second buff

what do i ddo?

[balmy condor]

what

how is that possible

[upper trail]

LOL

nvm im actually an idiot

[balmy condor]

with an auto-mod ping too

impressive

[raw tusk]

is there way to get that third point in zoldyc that isnt to much of a loss?

[balmy condor]

would drop shrouded for it

it used to be a lot closer when we played exsang

but it's a bit icky now

it shouldn't be too bad though

only fight it's really good on is rashok and nelth

[cerulean nest]

3rd zoldyck on rashok?

[drifting cloud]

its because if your kill timer is close to enrage it also means youre hitting 35% on pretty much 4min on the dot

[cerulean nest]

thats true

[balmy condor]

yep

just a very specific fight timing thing

and nelth is like a true execute phase

with dps race and everything

very good last phase

[drifting cloud]

oh now its a dps race!!

[balmy condor]

well

when half your raid dies

[drifting cloud]

#assassination message

[balmy condor]

I mean

p3 is legit just a race

not my fault the tanks were getting smashed by a giga add cause people were tunneling

and people missing their portals

only reason the boss took that long is cause people failed the weakaura boss

[drifting cloud]

eh everyone had alot of weakaura wipes there

can just cancel it out

surprised blizz nerfed it that fast tbh

but probably not the last nerf anyways

[balmy condor]

they nerfed it so ghost gaming™️ can get HoF in time

the critical nerf

[drifting cloud]

theyre not even close atm

their best wipe (which isnt close) was 40 pulls ago

[winged veldt]

Ghost gaming have the zskarn designer in it lol?

[drifting cloud]

different guild

zskarn designer is gm of defenestrate

[oak tangle]

is there any info on the supposed rogue rework that's meant to rival the holy pal and mage ones on PTR?

[drifting cloud]

well its obviously not coming in this patch

so stay tuned I guess

[oak tangle]

where have i heard this before 🙂

[balmy condor]

the info is it was scheduled for 10.1.5 and then got delayed

[balmy condor]

how close was it

[drifting cloud]

19%

[balmy condor]

yikes

[gray crest]

ghost gaming 幽灵 failed sponsorship 糟糕的赞助 anvils stronger than ghosts 铁砧松弛 dumb tank 坦克 eat lava wave like malnourished dog 岩浆狗营养不良 9 hour raid week vanish like ghost on leaderboards 排行榜

[still leaf]

you mean 10.1.7?

[balmy condor]

no, I mean 10.1.5

[oak tangle]

nah there is an image where they said it would be all 3

and it obviously didnt eventuate

[runic hinge]

We just cope for next patch

[still leaf]

i wonder if it's mostly going to be talents or even rotation changes

also tony im sorry but after reading earlier your profile kinda does look like generic anime boobs at a glance

[winged veldt]

Depends what talents change

[runic hinge]

Damn. I can’t believe people think I’m basic like that

[still leaf]

also debating if i want to rush hero raid clears for a second vault slot, feel like i barely played any this week

i gotta do it or no beacon ever in vault..

[gaunt moat]

you have nothing you wanna craft?

[still leaf]

i want to craft a ring or neck, ive just been lazy as shit this week and didnt do any m+ and rushed weeklies last minute. just meant im trying to rush vault last minute because this fucking trinket is holding my mind hostage on the what if i dont see it in the other two vault slots that couldve been

[raw tusk]

thanks, my guilds on experiments right now and we're just shy of beating the fifth bomb cast so idk if it will even help but figured i would try it

[still leaf]

i blame touhou and gravity rush distracting me all week honestly

[balmy condor]

Wouldn’t that mean you need less execute

Cause you’re not doing enough overall to beat the cast

[oak sky]

as expected, hopefully realz is past the worst of the personal life stuff if thats the reason

[raw tusk]

Idk lol we're on wipe 80 im just trying diff things. Im getting pulled off first guy to focus second when he comes down so my dots are my damage source on first guy there and then second boss we're on that teeter of him getting the bomb off and dieing 10 seconds after or right before. Wasnt sure if the extra execute on the first guy would help get him down quicker so people could switch

[soft shale]

best bet is getting people to use their 3 mins changing from first to second and see that the people that can cleave well keep cleaving

for ex arms warrior can execute off first and get lots of dps on second

sp kinda too and others we kinda only get a bit of energy and thankfully zoldyck does not affect envenom so just brrr on second while first gets railed

[balmy condor]

Yep

[stiff geode]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/dNxCF76bibphDcHPkWyXqh

I thought the fireland trink was suppose to be mediocre? 0.0 seems to be doin better than suffering right now.

Must be my stat configuration or just shows how important it is to sim gear 😄

[balmy condor]

You’re 431

Stat trinket better when it’s buffing more dps

Also that’s dungeonslice

Nelth isn’t good in dungeonslice

[stiff geode]

Just noticed, lemme run patch

.>

[balmy condor]

Well

It is

But not with that talent set

[stiff geode]

Ah yeah same setup still comes out on top

[balmy condor]

[stiff geode]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tceWkUX8EVLDE9bKqmqoRj

just used the same report and selected another spec so it looks messy

[balmy condor]

Yeah idk

Gear issue I guess

[vapid sierra]

Gonna try playing wow on prolly 200 ping

Shouldn’t be bad on sin tho

[balmy condor]

yeah

surely

[vestal wren]

it isn't too bad if its constant 200ms

it is a problem if its not consistent, still noticeable for anything above 150 tho

[brazen lagoon]

Hey dot squad, i struggle to perform on Sarka as Assa, i'm ok on every boss but Sarka looks like my kit can't follow the fight

• i have to focus the adds because some of our dps do not blast well so i have to put some AoE

any tips ?

[clever sapphire]

get a better group

[balmy condor]

tell your raid to pick it up

[clever sapphire]

i mean sark is shit for rogue

[balmy condor]

best you can do is just vanish add 2 and pray

tbh

add 3 you can't do shit

I was using bacon on add 2 as well

but like

it's really just a raid issue

[clever sapphire]

skill into ap, they gave us that talent just for situations like these right?

(this is a joke, dont skill into AP even if someone is paying you)

[brazen lagoon]

yeah theproblem is the team comp we had, i'm supposed to keep on Sarka but hey

[balmy condor]

whats your dps setup

[brazen lagoon]

many of the "good ones" are on holidays

but we had : evoker/pal/FMage/Unholy/Fury/Precision/Balance

but.. fck i don't want to say that but

[balmy condor]

aight so the first one gets nuked from the fury and the haste buff alone

the fire mage is trolling the raid

the paladin can do work on the second one

[brazen lagoon]

4 of us reach minus 90k and the others are below...

Frost*

[balmy condor]

aight

the frost mage is trolling the raid then

[brazen lagoon]

Pal is doing his job, but our fury warrior is kinda bad

[balmy condor]

this is our dps on the third add tonight

[gusty mirage]

is your devoker afk?

[balmy condor]

the second one is rough cause no one really has cds

[brazen lagoon]

you know this guy in your guild playing a class from the beginning and still reaching 60k max

[balmy condor]

we moved some stuff around

this is what we ended up with after moving stuff around

on add 2

[brazen lagoon]

our Enh Sham is chilling atm, miss him

[balmy condor]

he's doing boss damage

@gusty mirage

[gusty mirage]

[balmy condor]

idk

bro's plastering sark

and the glimmers as well I guess

[balmy condor]

I don't know that guy

our tanks are doing more than 60k

[brazen lagoon]

dont know why they gave him a chance

he is doing less than our tanks

but : its all about stats he says

suuuuuuure

[balmy condor]

and this guy is mythic raiding?

[brazen lagoon]

don't know his rotation

[balmy condor]

what kind of recruiting is happening over there

in frenchland

[brazen lagoon]

nah, we can't Mythic raid with guys like this, so imma bit confused

[balmy condor]

oh you're talking about heroic sark?

[brazen lagoon]

half of the guild is capable of doing Mythic

but we have to PL the other half so i don't know

[balmy condor]

idk how to help on heroic tbh

"Git gud" I guess

[brazen lagoon]

feels like the same with less mechanics

[clever sapphire]

i have the solution for you

pug it

[earnest remnant]

thats our boss dmg

[balmy condor]

I mean on heroic you don't have a big add

[clever sapphire]

seems like that would make it easier

[brazen lagoon]

i will

[balmy condor]

so there's actually no excuse

[earnest remnant]

im basically not touching boss during p2

[balmy condor]

if adds aren't dying on heroic

your guild actually just sucks ass

[clever sapphire]

also are tanks clearing the healing off of the adds?

[balmy condor]

and needs to get their shit together

it's just how it is

[brazen lagoon]

they do, until our "big party" is doing something else on the map

y

[balmy condor]

what

what else could they possibly be doing in p2

[brazen lagoon]

bombs for instance

[balmy condor]

that's 2 people

[brazen lagoon]

because giving bomb to the other part is like.. uuuuuh

[balmy condor]

okay so you have half the raid that shouldn't be doing aotc

trying to carry them

with the half that can

[royal lantern]

if 2 people doung bombs is a reason you cant kill those adds, you have a giant problem in your raid

[brazen lagoon]

yup there is one

i have an idea

[clever sapphire]

how about you do bombs, if you cant help with adds do bombs, now they cant complain that they are doing bombs

[brazen lagoon]

but some should check some help on their discord and learn the strats

[balmy condor]

yeh idk

I don't think we can help you

this sounds like a massive raid skill issue

[brazen lagoon]

at least i want to be "perfect"

just checking how you deal with

[clever sapphire]

best you can do is blast the boss

[balmy condor]

I mean on heroic I don't "deal with"

I slam the boss

cause the adds melt

it's not even worth dotting them

[clever sapphire]

1 thing i do in my heroic pugs is slam one envenom onto the adds when boss flys away

[brazen lagoon]

yeah i try to make it proc

[balmy condor]

this was my breakdown on heroic sark

[clever sapphire]

but i only do 1, after that adds are back anyways

i mean boss is back

[balmy condor]

it's legit just a couple fans

a garrote for fun

1 rupture snipe

and then poison bombs

[brazen lagoon]

no CT just some ruptures ?

[balmy condor]

CT on sark

begone satan

your devil words hold no power over me

[gusty mirage]

no bacon

[balmy condor]

I cast thee aside

[balmy condor]

I didn't play bacon

[clever sapphire]

you could play boon for the adds

[gusty mirage]

save me from bacon

pls

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/water-spray-stop-sprinkle-water-gif-11895255

[balmy condor]

get a 447 dice from your box

[gusty mirage]

ok bless my vault

[balmy condor]

ok

brb blessed your vault

[gusty mirage]

ty

[clever sapphire]

another solution, play onyx ring with shock gem

[brazen lagoon]

sorry but i have to fill the lack of cleave

if my warrior did his job !

[balmy condor]

you literally don't

[clever sapphire]

tbh you wont be cleaving as assa

[balmy condor]

if you want to fill the lack of cleave

[brazen lagoon]

tbh, the solution should be : go sub for this boss

[balmy condor]

play outlaw

or sub

or reroll into a different class

play a warrior

or an evoker

or a warlock

or a shaman

or literally anything else

[brazen lagoon]

bc i'm just ruining my own fight doing those fcking adds x)

[clever sapphire]

do boss, complain to raidlead that group sucks, profit?

[balmy condor]

pump boss, adds don't die, gquit, go next

it's as one blason said "next tier boys"

[clever sapphire]

kill boss with a pug, tell your guild that pugs are better at this point, get hated, enjoy your kill and a new guild that can kill the boss

[balmy condor]

yeh

[gaunt moat]

Which fight are we talking about, heroic sark?

[balmy condor]

pretty much that

[balmy condor]

ye

[clever sapphire]

yap

[balmy condor]

apparently the adds aren't dying in his group

in p2

[gusty mirage]

probably not keeping in the blossoms

so they're healing

[gaunt moat]

Just don't go Atertial Percision like we had one guy here do

[gusty mirage]

that's legit the only explanation because they just melt to passive cleave

[brazen lagoon]

not in p2 but the last ones during p3, meeeeeh

[balmy condor]

no shot

EU rogues are actually cooked what

[brazen lagoon]

the first 2 packs are ok, but i had to pick CT

[gaunt moat]

you don't remember him?

was like a week ago

[balmy condor]

idk

[earnest remnant]

aye leave me out of it

[balmy condor]

I talk a lot

[clever sapphire]

it wasnt me, i gave up on AP

[balmy condor]

mostly nonsense

but ya know

lot of chatting

[clever sapphire]

when do you guys use bloodlust?

[balmy condor]

can't even make fun of push anymore

[brazen lagoon]

P3

[clever sapphire]

hmm, so adds are not dying with bloodlust

something is hella cursed there

tell your warrior to make a macro that spams all his buttons, he will probably play better thatway and do dmg to adds

[brazen lagoon]

Ahaha y :p

[balmy condor]

I can't find a heroic pull where they lasted longer than 12-15 seconds in my logs

[gaunt moat]

That just means that your ranged are tunneling boss

[balmy condor]

actually helpless

[brazen lagoon]

we'll check logs this afternoon, lets check this

[clever sapphire]

it wont be solved by you unless you go sub/outlaw

[balmy condor]

raid issue

[gaunt moat]

It will be fun to check replay, and see which ranged actually changed target

[clever sapphire]

as assa you can pray that they get grouped onto the boss aaaaand you get pb procs on all your envenoms

[gaunt moat]

Not to be racist or anything, but as sin, i have adds-blindness

[balmy condor]

as you should

adds aren't people

[clever sapphire]

pugged it enough that im used to even stunning or even using blind on adds so they dont get a cast off

[gaunt moat]

Is that an I think you should leave reference?

[balmy condor]

no it's just me supporting the one true form of racism

[brazen lagoon]

tbh, in my guild, this should be the best combo

[balmy condor]

I call adds slurs all the time, like "trash"

they don't deserve rights

[clever sapphire]

so you got a boss this raid that can be describe as trash for you, aka assault

[balmy condor]

yes

[gaunt moat]

@balmy condor
https://vimeo.com/402282909

Adds:

[clever sapphire]

tell your raidlead you are willing to go sub but if a bacon or cloak drops you get it

[balmy condor]

this is trash

[brazen lagoon]

slurs ?

[blazing jewel]

assault is peak content if you use the cheese strat in mythic

[clever sapphire]

whats the cheese strat? might need to tell my friends guild that they should do it

[blazing jewel]

lust on rip

[clever sapphire]

seeing how they manage to wipe even on reclearing that boss

[blazing jewel]

send everyone but the tank to follow the boss

phase it once it lands

2.5 min kill time

[balmy condor]

[clever sapphire]

ngl you are kinda insulting the trash this raid if you call assault trash too

[gaunt moat]

adds are kinda like nothing
They're not like.. "real people"

[scarlet orbit]

we had more wipes on random trash in the raid then on that bossfight

[balmy condor]

when we triple pull the big guys before sark I see my life flash before my eyes

when we pull assault I see black before my eyes because I fell asleep

[clever sapphire]

thats what i mean, trash fights are harder than assault

but i managed to find a normal pug yesterday that disbanded on assault

[balmy condor]

[clever sapphire]

after that i logged off my SP

imagine my 402 sp being top dps there, with 430 geared warlocks and paladins

[earnest remnant]

nah we still can, he is now in the retirement home due to old age

[stiff geode]

them paladins should be ashamed, they just smash buttons as they come up really

[clever sapphire]

im just saying, if you are ever bored get into some normal pugs where the raidlead doesnt have any bosses down

that shit is crazy

had a 3/9m lead yesterday that put up markers for normal kazarra or whatever the first boss is called

and tried making us play the mechanics

and i was just confused with "huh this is normal, just blast and done"

i have the solution for what to do with AP. Replace it with a talent that has 45 second cooldown, it calls in a sub rogue that does one dance/shuriken tornado rota

[gaunt moat]

But only when your assist meter is full

[clever sapphire]

that sounds like some legion/bfa shit that i dont know about

[gaunt moat]

you should also have a limit break to use your super attack

[clever sapphire]

okay so final fantasy

what would be assa rogues super attack

[sweet dawn]

Your final smash can be you call in a Shadow Priest for 10 seconds to help you

[clever sapphire]

how about we call in all the dot specs and they spread their dots to all targets currently there for 10 seconds

[keen spruce]

[clever sapphire]

would be fun to see a target with 20 dots on them

and he just melts

[deft flicker]

Install ZPerl, turn on ally debuffs on enemies, watch

[clever sapphire]

and then you look at details and it shows:
moonfire sunfire rake rip flameschock vampiric something shadow word something

[clever sapphire]

would only be fun if its me doing the dmg

Outlaw dooming has begun, they saw the weekly recap

[blazing jewel]

Schizo posting has begun

[deft flicker]

Reading comprehension test

[still leaf]

its always doomposting hours, blizz is going to ruin rogue bros

[deft flicker]

They’d need to delete pickpocket to ruin us

And that never happens

[still leaf]

i was actually just thinking recently how pickpocket and lockpicking are basically useless in retail

i think ive used lockpicking like twice in 3 months to open some dudes ancient lockboxes

[clever sapphire]

i remember when i started with wow and legit pickpocketed every mob because i found it such a cool ability and i got money out of it

and now i only realise i have pickpocket when i open my skill tab by accident

[deft flicker]

Both are mostly flavour things nowadays (I guess they always were mostly flavour things)

[still leaf]

well kinda, in classic you used to be able to make a decent bit of gold pickpocketing dungeon mobs

[deft flicker]

But you can get some cool toys/mogs/probably pets/legendary daggers from Dragon Soul

[keen spruce]

didn't they say they were gonna add utility to pickpocket this xpac

[still leaf]

its still cool i just wish they had more uses now was all

[keen spruce]

i vaguely remember somethin about that

[clever sapphire]

remove shadowdance from class tree, put some pickpocket related talent there

[deft flicker]

They wanted to do vial flavours obtained by pickpocketing. That was scrapped during SL beta

[clever sapphire]

actually remove all dps gains from class tree, make it utility only

or atleast dps gains from endnodes

[deft flicker]

Btw you can pickpocket alcohol from Revendreth folks

[gusty mirage]

it never made it into the alpha let alone scrapped during beta

they announced it at blizzcon

and then just nothing

lol

[deft flicker]

Ah, that’s even more unfortunate

[still leaf]

honestly it wouldnt even be that hard, just make a small use for it like maybe a rare soulbound mount or crafting recipe or even a small questline

[deft flicker]

GM Oxi

[gusty mirage]

I haven't slept yet send help

[deft flicker]

GN Oxi

[gusty mirage]

yeah they legit just forgot rogue existed in SL development

[blazing jewel]

Dude was too invested in the blas0n stream to sleep

[keen spruce]

same

[gusty mirage]

we had talents missing until like mid to late beta

[keen spruce]

bruther assas on SL release

[still leaf]

neither did i i got fomo'd into doing all of my weeklies last minute for the last two raid vault slots

[gusty mirage]

3/4th of our covenant abilities didn't even work

[earnest remnant]

we spent like 3 hours trying to find Sark prog streams

[still leaf]

beacons gotta be in there tomorrow..

[gusty mirage]

at least venthyr didn't

so they scrapped slaughter poison

and gave us flag

original flag was so good it was a waste of 2 GCDs

[keen spruce]

we're extending now so i don't even know what i want from my box

[gusty mirage]

and a dps loss to press

[keen spruce]

447 dice ig

[gusty mirage]

I couldn't sleep

saw the clock

it was 2am

have to be in court in 3.5 hours

so we just raw dog it

[keen spruce]

oxi ur also west coast boi

[gusty mirage]

no

[keen spruce]

[gusty mirage]

I'm very much eastern timezone

this is me recanting 3 hours ago my friend

[keen spruce]

oh

[gusty mirage]

sorry had to fix that

[keen spruce]

good morning