assassination

[balmy condor]

send twitch primes please help

[clever sapphire]

i remember working only on saturdays during school, and a friend of mine worked full time as a teacher in hungary. We made the same amount monthly

he quit obviously, that shits not worth the hassle

[normal mist]

Meanwhile minimum wage here is like 4€/hour

805eur/month

[clever sapphire]

just work 20 hours a day, where is the problem

[raw cedar]

you live in SF? me too

[steel ridge]

dollar is going to shit baby

[balmy condor]

kind-of

more south bay

[clever sapphire]

minimum wage here in austria is 1.5k a month or something like that

[grim jay]

I'm pretty positive you could get away with buying a house as a single with like 2.5k net income a month if you dont have a big car or plan on flying around the world, which would obviously be far less than your poverty line

[balmy condor]

if you know where the apple ufo is in cupertino, I'm in that corner

that neck of the endless concrete woods

[clever sapphire]

[balmy condor]

that narrows it down to like 4 million people don't go looking it's a mess

[grim jay]

Gotta wait for new changes, travel there and easily find you by the smell of your cooking

[wintry ravine]

In east germany, or west germany countryside you can, yes. In bigger urban areas, nope. 😅

[balmy condor]

follow the trail of empty red bull cans

[clever sapphire]

im just gonna send a message in here with my AP/IC build with MA and no iron wire, after that i just gotta listen to your rage when you see it

[grim jay]

Yeah obviously not like close to cologne, munich or something, but who wants to live there even

[steel ridge]

you could, but probably shouldnt

[grim jay]

You need to get on Monster Zero Zucker brother

[steel ridge]

countryside housing is plummeting in "value"

[balmy condor]

"zero zucker"

never speak to me again

every bone in my body just shriveled up in cringe

[wintry ravine]

I live in the vicinity of a town an hour west of munich. Rent is about half here, but so is salary. 😅

[grim jay]

Is it the lingu

[steel ridge]

work from home kinda levels that playing field alot

[grim jay]

Or the fact there is no sugar

[grim jay]

True

[balmy condor]

it's either white monster or monster zero

[wintry ravine]

If you're doing a job that allows for it, yes

[grim jay]

But

[keen spruce]

white monster gud

[subtle tundra]

no zucker?!?

[clever sapphire]

i find all these drinks that put "zero sugar" on them undrinkable

[subtle tundra]

youre a pussy

[keen spruce]

i mean i prefer suggies

[subtle tundra]

they still have sugar, just other type of sugar

[keen spruce]

but sometimes less calorie better

[subtle tundra]

😦

sweeteners

[keen spruce]

that's not how any of this works

[clever sapphire]

ye sweeteners, and that has some weird ass aftertaste

and i hate it

[subtle tundra]

you sound like a soda/energy drink addict that can compare all flavours of all drinks

[deft flicker]

Put sugar in manually

[clever sapphire]

nah, i drink coke and tea and thats about it xD

sometimes a redbull if i feel fancy

[steel ridge]

you guys should just drink water

but you certainly know that

[grim jay]

Thats the thing. I actually think the ultra lineup is pretty good taste-wise. I do use sugar free sodastream stuff aswell, like cherry, orange and stuff

[clever sapphire]

but i can not drink water unless its after training/sports. If i just drink water without that i feel sick

[subtle tundra]

youre a pussy

[clever sapphire]

[balmy condor]

yeah you guys aren't healthy

[subtle tundra]

hurr durr i cant drink water

[balmy condor]

I put my green tea into my soda stream

[subtle tundra]

what the fuck is soda stream

[balmy condor]

that way I'm getting the benfits of tea

[subtle tundra]

WHAT THE FUCK IS SODA STREAM

[balmy condor]

with the carbonation of a cola

[steel ridge]

you are a monster

[grim jay]

We also shouldnt drink alcohol, smoke or play on our PC for hours, but I guess everyone does atleast one of those

[balmy condor]

I gotta do something while I wait for the nuggets in the microwave

[subtle tundra]

i like you drunk more

[clever sapphire]

just for your information, i ate a kiwi yesterday, so my healthy food for the month is done

[keen spruce]

i mean they're fine

but shuggies better

[balmy condor]

damn I did like 10 pushups gotta reward myself with an entire tub of ice cream now

[subtle tundra]

oh its for sifon

[clever sapphire]

sounds good to me

[keen spruce]

the math checks out

[grim jay]

Ngl the paradise one that is light green tastes better than all the others, no matter if with or without sugar

[keen spruce]

[subtle tundra]

all energy drinks taste 90% the same

[keen spruce]

i mean they ahve 99% the same ingredients

[grim jay]

Nah, the green one tastes like kiwi

Everyone loves kiwi

[deft flicker]

A bowl of tomato salad a day just because my grandparents decided that having 2 full greenhouses of tomatoes is funny

[keen spruce]

they just change 1% flavor lab chemical

[deft flicker]

Should be fine ig

[balmy condor]

all those vegetables removing your tastebuds idk

[random fossil]

sneak tastes like heaven

[grim jay]

People care too much about what they eat. Just keep your calories and nutrients in check, maybe some exercise if you feel like it and everything else is whatever

[subtle tundra]

ALL THE PROTEIN I EAT

[random fossil]

the german is leaking

[quaint condor]

weren’t we supposed to be getting a rework soon? I thought it was in 10 1 5 but was it 10 1 7 and i’m misremembering?

[grim jay]

https://tenor.com/view/uncle-roger-vegetables-taste-like-sad-fried-rice-gif-20631728

[clever sapphire]

i always make sure to eat my daily package of cookies after bouldering

[balmy condor]

they announced changes but rumor has it that it was set back a bit, dunno when we're getting it now

we also don't have a date for 10.1.5 yet

so who knows

[vapid sierra]

Fast food with good macros is still fast food

Still dogshit for you

But for the most part ueah

[grim jay]

Breathing is dogshit for your health aswell

[misty holly]

I bet we would have a release date by now if they didn't suddenly have to replace a certain inappropriate Chromie quest lol

[grim jay]

[subtle tundra]

i wish i could breathe

need to get that damn surgery faster

[vapid sierra]

Well oxygen breaks down carbon but we actually need to breath

[balmy condor]

I mean they're also making an entire spec with a design space that has never existed in the game before. I assume that also takes some time

[strange python]

They removed it? I didn't want to spoil myself so hadn't checked it out yet but might as well if they removed it

[deft flicker]

No rework was ever promised. The changes they announced seem to be funneled towards outlaw

[sharp lichen]

Its good proportion dmg?

[keen spruce]

100% of people that have died were breathers

checkmate liberals

[vapid sierra]

I don’t do a lot of m+ on assa

But envenom should be there above posions no?

[sharp lichen]

Yea i must use often

[misty holly]

Yes they are, I also looked on youtube to see if anyone has played through it and couldnt find it. I'm kinda curious to see how bad it is, or if the twitter outrage is overblown.

[steel ridge]

looks scuffed. garrote and rupture need to be alot higher

[misty holly]

So go make a youtube video of it for me pls

[deft flicker]

100% of people that died stopped breathing

[strange python]

Well you mentioned twitter so it's definitely overblown

[keen spruce]

sometimes they die first

[sharp lichen]

So i must use garrote, rupture and evenom often yea?

[grim jay]

Also it depends on what you classify as fastfood and what it contains. Just because its fast food doesnt mean its unhealthy by default. Its mostly about chemicals and synth ingredients

[balmy condor]

garrote/rupture seems a bit low, CT a bit high, should have envenom on there, fok is way too high

[steel ridge]

sounds like you must read a guide first. garrote and rupture are you main damage sources in AoE, Crimson Tempest should not be top dmg source at all, seems like you are spamming it

[balmy condor]

well I guess the rupture is kinda fine

now that I think about it

[grim jay]

Wouldnt you at most die at the same time ?

Unless you stop breathing first

[vapid sierra]

You use crimson tempest as your main spender if everything isn’t grouped, or If your at 6/7+ targets. Apart that you maintain it in 2+. Envenom is good if everything is grouped up and you have ct going

[deft flicker]

Unless it’s AP+IC

[vapid sierra]

Oh yeah, some fast food is definitely healthier than others, but as it stands like 90% of fast food chains are bad for you. And they’re the biggest ones. I still eat fast food tho, don’t give a fuk

[sharp lichen]

That's exactly how it is

[clever sapphire]

exaaactly

[steel ridge]

gotcha

[grim jay]

Chains indeed. But Kebab for example aint too bad if it fits your nutrients/calories, same with freshly made burgers

[final sky]

garrote is always my top dmg skill

like, by quite a large margin

[sharp lichen]

oke oke

[vapid sierra]

Oh yeah, there’s this local shawarma place that isn’t too bad

[keen spruce]

but that ain't fast food

[steel ridge]

garrote fucks, sadly it has a cd 😮

[sharp lichen]

Assa is fun, more fun than sub i guess so i want learn

[keen spruce]

that's a local shwarma place

[final sky]

in m+ the way I go is if it's 5 or less targets, I open by spamming garrote, I cast it, then again on another enemy, then again and again until garrote goes on cd (in 4 you will get all of them, in 5 you will have all but one)

[vapid sierra]

Might be a bit biased because I’m Arab but shawarma is so fucking good

[final sky]

then I FoK to 5 and rupture until it's on all enemies

[vapid sierra]

I mean it is fast food

[final sky]

and then I just do whatever,keep ct up

[clever sapphire]

but what about IC?

[vapid sierra]

You walk in, order, and your food is given to you in like 2 minutes

[sharp lichen]

im european and shawarma is so good

[final sky]

6 or more

for me

[vapid sierra]

Same thing with subway, they’re both fast food

They’re just healthier alternatives

[clever sapphire]

eh i just press IC on cooldown unless its 2 targets

i dont press IC for 2 targets

[final sky]

really?

I NEVER use it for less than 4

[steel ridge]

thats a big mistake

[grim jay]

Subway is kinda hit or miss. Some stores are ewwww

[clever sapphire]

feels shit and too slow if i do it otherwise

[final sky]

bc 4 you can get garrote up on all of them from stealth

[clever sapphire]

like until you put everything up on 3 targets

pull already half over

[vapid sierra]

Meh, sometimes you can hold at the end of a pack since no point in redotting if it’s gonna die in 6 seconds

[final sky]

are you doing m0s? 💀

[clever sapphire]

well ye obviously

[vapid sierra]

And at like 3 targets you can get dots out manually

[steel ridge]

if you fight those 3 targets for longer than 45 seconds, you would waste the entire ability

[clever sapphire]

weekly 20s

[vapid sierra]

I’d ic at like 4+

[steel ridge]

if your tank pulls 3 mobs, i would open up the chat instead

[clever sapphire]

i consider pull length and what the next pull is

[final sky]

honestly

[vapid sierra]

The worst thing about ic is waiting for the tank to pull everything and trying to stay stealthed

[final sky]

wasting my stealth garrotes

[clever sapphire]

Vortex you start with 3 targets (or 5 if they do it big) but I press IC even if its only the 3

because there isnt really a big pull coming in the next minute or so

[steel ridge]

thats a vanish angle most of the time, put up 3 garrotes, CT, spam a few fans and wait for everything to gather, than slam vanish IC

[clever sapphire]

i just consider if there is a bigger pull in the next 45 seconds. If there isnt i press IC

[final sky]

sometimes I let the intrusive thoughts take over and just DPS until all of them are together and then vanish>ic>gar

[keen spruce]

bruther no one has defined "fast food" as "any place that makes food fast" since like 1942

yuh pedantic boob

[vapid sierra]

Well the way wht would you define it as?

It’s literally intuitive. In the name

Fast food

[vapid sierra]

That’s literally what I said minus all the corporate bullshit of it being mass produced

[steel ridge]

not so fast food is casual dining, isnt it?

[keen spruce]

that's literally what you said minus the key difference that i am disagreeing with you about

yes

[vapid sierra]

The whole entirety of the the design philosophy is to provide food fast so people don’t have to wait

[vapid sierra]

What key difference?

[keen spruce]

i no longer want to continue this

it's too late

early

i concede

[vapid sierra]

U good

I gotta get ready for school

[shrewd night]

Fast food

[rocky sluice]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[solar bramble]

curious question, So i plan to go do the magetower for rogues, and was wondering if old artifact weapons still worked in there? (i still have mine)

[drifting cloud]

they dont work anywhere

[solar bramble]

that's sad since that's content they hould work in lol

all good. i'll just finish up my primorial stone for shielding to help with my sustain

[drifting cloud]

traits on them have been disabled since legion wasnt current xpac

[solar bramble]

ik they were disabled for content after legion, wasn't sure if they were still available in legion content, the same way the heart of azeroth is available in bfa content

i know at least the ilvl boost on them was available in bfa for old raids. making them the best weapons for stuff like timewalking. but traits weren't active then either

[subtle tundra]

It's not really legion anymore since it scales

[clever sapphire]

@royal lantern i have decided my new vulpera rogues name that davyn helped come up with. Bladefurry

[normal mist]

... that's so good

[shy axle]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[normal otter]

Are these cool spectral daggers on the back as artifact weapon still in the game? Can you still get them?

[normal mist]

They are but you can't get them

They were the reward from the original mage tower for assassination rogues

[shy axle]

where do you put your first vanish in the opener when playing the recommended build from fuus spreadsheet with sepsis and no exang? just when garrote fades away to get it back up buffed

[clever sapphire]

your first vanish is at your second DM

so at 2:05 or so

[shy axle]

oh damn okay, thank you

why does it say desync them and use them on cd in the faq then? Just to understand it

[clever sapphire]

its under the sepsis tab

[shy axle]

thank you

[clever sapphire]

there are more infos under it if you wanna read up about sepsis

this is only part of it

[cerulean nest]

on rashok prog do you guys use second pot at 5 mins or hold til 6 min deathmark

[blazing jewel]

Should hold to use in cds

[clever sapphire]

I think as assa you always hold for cooldowns

Otherwise its kinda wasted

Unless you guys are missing that 0.2% hp and boss dies before DM

[cerulean nest]

it won't die before DM

I'll hold ty

[blazing jewel]

There isn’t really a point to not holding

[deft flicker]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/LuxthosRogueDragonflight (Luxthos's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[fleet whale]

So what if the Deathmark/exsang "nerf" is not actually a bug but intentional

[woeful meteor]

then it would be really weird to fix it mid patch without comment when they already giga nerfed, exsang last week of beta

[copper hazel]

then it did its job of killing exsang

[fleet whale]

I just find it odd since this seems like a fairly major bug that has been in game for a little while now yet it hasn't been fixed

[vestal wren]

its in wow terms a young bug

we have bugs that date back 7 years that are not fixed (on subtlety)

[spice spire]

[vapid sierra]

which ones?

[strange python]

Premed in world content is a good one

[vestal wren]

https://github.com/SimCMinMax/WoW-BugTracker/issues/879

this one dates back to legion beta

(legion beta was 2016)

[tacit wedge]

wait, does it mean i should stop using my macro that cast shadow dance and if i'm in the correct stance, cast gloomblade?

/cast [stance:0] Shadow Dance; Backstab; Gloomblade this one

[vestal wren]

it means

the above works

you can remove gloomblade from it

because backstab does get turned into gloomblade if you talent into it

but practical it means even if you use diffrent abilities on the regular/stealth bar.
You can easily send the wrong spell after vanish or shadow dance due to how fast the game updates

the way to work around on subtlety is to make other macros like the one you linked, or to have 2 seperate keys

assassiantion does not rly run into this issue, so its fairly irrelevant for it

[tacit wedge]

i like this macro, double tap my keybind for shadow dance and i'm good

not wasting the premeditation and overcapping in CP

[royal lantern]

open assa channel

people talk about gloomblade macros

is that how stealthi feels when i talk about assa in the sub channel

[vestal wren]

sry, i went a bit off topic talking about bugs

[lucid birch]

[fleet whale]

so is realz no longer the assassin dev?

[earnest remnant]

never was

[fleet whale]

didn't he design the assassin talent tree?

[vestal wren]

realz designed all 3 rogue trees

[earnest remnant]

he designed alot more than that

or his team did

[soft shale]

that is correct he also was assigned to dh and other things

[raw plover]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[steel ridge]

and somehow he left the server and no one knows what that even means

[raw plover]

which phial should we use ?

[royal lantern]

crit or vers

both work

[vapid sierra]

tepid vers is usually top simming

[raw plover]

for me crit > chaos > vers sims higher

[vestal wren]

he also joined the server again, wouldn't think too much into it

[steel ridge]

as a matter of fact, you are right

didnt write anything tho

maybe he wanted some "me time" 🙂

[vestal wren]

maybe

keep in mind that opinions also can differ and an create friction

[royal lantern]

chaos is shit

rng flask

lmao

[vestal wren]

e.g. i know the outlaw changes are in general not well recived and a lot of assassinaiton changes fall into a similar realm

[steel ridge]

opinions and discussion always create friction, what got lost in this society is the willingness to endure other standpoints

[royal lantern]

we allready have enough gamble in DF rogue

[vestal wren]

if a channel is too negative, it might be that devs don't feel motivated to discuss

[steel ridge]

tbf the outlaw changes are garbage and keep me away from the spec i once loved, nothing personal

[vestal wren]

fair

i will go to say the thing i talk with a lot of people about

[royal lantern]

they smell?

[barren fiber]

im kind of surprised the ominous chromatic essence isn't good for assassin

[vestal wren]

communication is always something desireable, so i personally think changes are fine

[steel ridge]

its good, wdym

[vestal wren]

if they get discussed/explained

[barren fiber]

the site says it's mid

wowhead

[vestal wren]

discussions like this also help both sides, the dev team and the community

[royal lantern]

its good when you have all buffs

[steel ridge]

its still one of the best trinkets you can have

[royal lantern]

but like, not GIGA BROKEN OMG NEED NOW, but a small sidegrade over the ussual stuff at best

[barren fiber]

so i shouldnt use it for specific stat

[vestal wren]

however, just from personal experience, most people in the interned are terrible with communciations

and companies are usualyl also not very good

[steel ridge]

unpopular take, remove fan the hammer and revert back to quickdraw, make it give 3 cp and do actual damage.

[vestal wren]

i am sure there are a lot of good changes and suggestions

[steel ridge]

yeah well we have been over this again and again

[vestal wren]

but i am not sure if suggesting somehting is better than discussing problems and let the dev team decide what to do

[steel ridge]

there are a million possible things that could be done to rogue

[vestal wren]

in the end as much as its the game everyone plays, the one deciding what to do is blizz

[steel ridge]

ofc

[vestal wren]

so its wasted energy to talk against something the dev team precives as good/healthy

what again comes back to communication, if they don't tell this to people, how should they know

[steel ridge]

i wouldnt perceive rogue as healthy

viable yes, but not healthy

[vestal wren]

rogue is fairly popular

and the talents as is work decently well

it suffers from being one of the early trees

[steel ridge]

yes

just because it sort of "works" doesnt necesseralily mean its in a good spot gameplay wise

[vestal wren]

early trees have the issue that they compare poorly to newer ones

so the standards did change,but the tree did not change enough

[steel ridge]

look at what the did to mages, they just manhandled it

[vestal wren]

i am honest

[steel ridge]

absolutely have taken it to the chopping block

[vestal wren]

mages seems weird

[steel ridge]

remove everything thats not fun

stripped it down to the bone

and i am looking forward to it

[vestal wren]

because mage tree and talents threw a lot of deisgn choices out of the window that apply to other classes

[steel ridge]

a class doesnt need 28 buttons to feel complete

[vestal wren]

e.g. in what talents get baseline

but thats more a concern about consistency

[royal lantern]

they threw that out of the window during beta when they made the class tree for the warrior specs different

with arms having a different talent on a later tier

[vestal wren]

i think its expected

[steel ridge]

hot take, fury warrior is the best and most fluid feeling class in the game

[royal lantern]

nah

[steel ridge]

and its simple as hell

[royal lantern]

fury warrior is neither

like

[vestal wren]

basically what people did fear was that some specs are the winners and some are the losers of the tree lottery

[royal lantern]

its great for what it is

but most fluid and best? nope

[vestal wren]

and this is exactly what happend

[royal lantern]

fury warrior is a good example that simple gameplay can be engaging

[dreamy elk]

Fury has a great damage profile but its APM is outlaw-level.

[vestal wren]

i don't think its about complexity

lets be honest, as much as we try to over complicate things, assassiantion was always the simpler of the rogue specs historically

[steel ridge]

was

[vestal wren]

and was popular for that reason (and tuning)

[steel ridge]

my thoughts exactly, a little less complexity or buttons would do rogue good

[vestal wren]

rogue just needs (similar to quite some other classes/specs) more time and iteration

talent trees will never end up perfect

but there is a lot of room for improvements

[steel ridge]

iteration yes, but that would mean throwing some actual change out there and watch feedback

and if necessesary, revert back

classic trial and error

but thats not on the menu it seems

[vestal wren]

think it usually makes more sense to approach it a bit more strategic

making a lot of changes and see what works is fairly inefficient

[steel ridge]

simple changes, one at a time

play around a little with different iterations of CT

see what is received well in practice

the strategic take got us dance in class tree lmao

[royal lantern]

dance in class tree is a giant mistake

lol

[steel ridge]

yeah, i still consider it the biggest mistake that breeds all the bumps

[wary ice]

Honestly agree

[steel ridge]

sometimes you have to throw spaghetti at the wall and see what sticks

[wary ice]

It simultaneously takes shit away from sub and while heing very awkward in the other specs rotations

[steel ridge]

just do it

[royal lantern]

outlaw brains saying that dance in class tree is the best thing ever

not realising how much it restricts them

because they suddenly hate pressing sinester strike, after 18 years of playing a spec where sinester strike is 1 of the main abilitys

i love those gigabrains

[steel ridge]

sinister strike is the best ability outlaw has, its flashy, does proc shit and stuff. ambush is garbage

ambush on sin is alot better, its free and plays into your energy economy

and it doesnt break your game if you dont get a proc

another hot take, make KiR always give a 30 second 5 Roll. its 8 minutes ffs.

we need less rng not more.

[arctic venture]

Guys is Sepsis + Shiv? or Shiv + Sepsis?

[thorn fjord]

[woeful meteor]

Sepsis -> Shiv

[deft flicker]

Fuck it, 30s of 6 buffs. The difference between 5 and 6 ain’t that big

[royal lantern]

you mean, a CD with more impact then a wet fart?

[subtle tundra]

NEITHER

[vestal wren]

it was, but i am not sure if its too entangled now to remove

[royal lantern]

sepsis->any ability->shiv

you wanna use shiv on the 2nd gcd after sepsis

[steel ridge]

yeah an actual on demand dmg amp that makes outlaw not shit the bed in a raiding consistency scenario

[royal lantern]

99% of the time its sepsis->garrote->shiv

[arctic venture]

ok

[royal lantern]

i mean, its only for outlaw

and like

sorry but if its shit for 2 specs

and makes really shity stuff for 1 spec

they have to bite the bullet imo

[steel ridge]

we have been saying it for like 6+ month that dance and fw in class tree has to go

[royal lantern]

i just want SL outlaw back

like man

[steel ridge]

same

[royal lantern]

legit enjoyed that spec

and im the server outlaw hater lol

[steel ridge]

i played a fuckton of outlaw in SL even when nobody deemed it viable

i can count the outlaw keys in Dragonflight on 2 hands

[royal lantern]

played more outlaw then assa proably over the entire expansion, cus i played it 24/7 in m+ and for the entire CN progress

and its me

that says that

[steel ridge]

i think i clocked like 1000 keys with outlaw in SL

[royal lantern]

FW in class tree is so weird, cus its 1 of those "how does it leave the alpha?" thigs

[steel ridge]

its uncontrollable, it must be purged

[royal lantern]

ignore % armor sounds cool, then you check the specs and realise that 1 spec does 95% of its dmg in a way that ignores armor anyway

and sub does a big part shadow dmg aswell and applys FW anyway

like

why is it a thing

[steel ridge]

ER is an outlaw thing, somehow its assassination that plays it because it lacks alternatives 😄

[steel ridge]

thats something i will never understand, FW is a flavour passive, nothing more

it should be something like the first point in sub tree

so that you kinda have to take it and be done with it forever

[royal lantern]

rogue has to many of those

Sap as a point in the class tree

and tricks

just why?

i legit dont get it

[errant swallow]

Agreed

[royal lantern]

and stuff like blackjack

[deft flicker]

15% energy discount on finishers

[royal lantern]

deadened nerves

[deft flicker]

20% poison damage

[royal lantern]

[deft flicker]

It might be a big deal for sin, but other specs barely even do poison damage

[rain hound]

how come assassa got 1st place in sims? Did he recieved something?

[royal lantern]

it was always equal with sub in ST

[deft flicker]

They wanted to add crimson vial flavours and stuff. Talent trees seem like a perfect opportunity to do that

[royal lantern]

and got flat buffs

[rain hound]

I mean on the start of the season I remember assass simming for 128k and now its 135

2k over sub

[fleet whale]

Am I miss-remembering, but didn't blizz say that there would be some rogue talent changes coming in 10.1.5?

And so far, I haven't seen many rogue changes for the next patch lol

[royal lantern]

yes

[proper tapir]

I think the new plan is to ignore us until we re-roll Lock or DK

[fleet whale]

i've been having fun leveling ret paladin tbh

[deft flicker]

They promised some changes. So far those are mostly Outlaw-related. But there is time

New Grand Melee, a look into Ghostly Strike (most likely its interactions with external sources) and maybe other stuff

[fleet whale]

well i still think assassin has too many short CDs. But I suppose the exsang/Deathmark bug helps that matter somewhat

even if exsang isn't a short cd anymore

[royal lantern]

i mean

replacing exsang with sepsis doesnt solve the "too many short cd's" problem

it makes it worse lol

[spice spire]

Sbs was a cd

[royal lantern]

idk why people love sepsis so much

its a clunky af ability

[blazing jewel]

I’ll spit in your mouth if you say that again

[spice spire]

And that’s a punishment?

[blazing jewel]

I like the way sepsis flows into dm atm

Maybe not sepsis itself but the clipping garrotes into dm feels real nice

[candid dragon]

So you use sepsis befpre deathmark?

[spice spire]

Yea

Opener In faq

[candid dragon]

Okay

Im just now learning assassin. I only played sub haha

[fleet whale]

I also think it's funny how none of our SL abilities were really that fun especially in ST
And yet now we use two of them at the same time lol (ER and Sepsis/SBS)

[spice spire]

No worries

[blazing jewel]

I need to figure out kill times for 3rd dm if I’m playing sin too much math for my smooth brain

[spice spire]

6m/6.5 makes it stupid easy

You just send stuff on cd

And u chuckling

[blazing jewel]

Mostly if I hold dm for vanish or not

Because it will be what like 5-10s off

[spice spire]

Kinda depends on the final timer. If you’re a tiny dick hair over 6? Nah

But if you’re like

[candid dragon]

Wait so you dm and then vanish garrotte?

[fleet whale]

Watch they make the DM node a choice node between DM/Vendetta
and that ends up being our big 10.1.5 change

[spice spire]

I well over 6, you definitely send in opener, that could be feelcraft I haven’t done the full math, better whispyr question

[blazing jewel]

I’ll bribe our priests to not pi vel so our kill times are long

[spice spire]

It won’t be

If anything the changing of old legendaries to dm could signal old legendary like duskwalker talents

That’s tho

[spice spire]

Yeah because sepsis leads to an empowered garrote

[rocky ruin]

A decent aoe finisher would help a lot

[fleet whale]

CT is a decent aoe finisher

[spice spire]

I like Ct as a concept.
But we need more. Ct tuned High means it’s used on st

Judging from 4p changes in PTR from 10.1

They really don’t want that

[blazing jewel]

@spice spire I can’t take you seriously when you actually explain things

[spice spire]

???

[blazing jewel]

Because it’s like professor dog is explaining

[spice spire]

Okay and?

[blazing jewel]

Dr. George is cooking atm

[spice spire]

He’s a smart boy (he’s actually an idiot)

Also these are pretty opinionated reads.
Just makes no sense to not have both rupture and Ct do 33% more due to tier set, then buff rupture’s additional damage, and lower CTs unless they’re trying to avoid CTST

[rocky ruin]

We use ct for ST in 9.2 iirc for the 4pc and it was nice to play with and a button to push

[spice spire]

We did

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-read-bored-glasses-sleep-gif-21355205

[blazing jewel]

I don’t think I’ve ever selected ct as a talent on my rogue

[spice spire]

But that seems to be what they’re aiming to move away from

[blazing jewel]

I’m clean

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/gigachad-chad-gif-20773266

[spice spire]

I’ve never ran a non assassination key since my return

I’m the most clean

[royal lantern]

im weak

only played sub in keys this season

spec traitor

[spice spire]

True

[proper tapir]

I wouldn't mind CT in ST, it's just the low duration that's annoying; if they made it last longer when hitting one target I'd be happier with it

[spice spire]

But you’re also doing damage I guess

I never minded CTST, it’s just another button

[rocky ruin]

Harder dot/dmg low duration good tradeoff

But there are other issue garrote with 6 sec cd, KB still dead, AP still weird

[deft flicker]

Would probably be a good leaf node

I know some specs have stuff like that

[proper tapir]

If only blizz would actually look at our tree lol

[deft flicker]

They probably are

But they have like 50 trees to look at at the same time

You know how in classroom everyone thinks teacher is looking at them all the time but in reality teacher is looking at one person at a time?? Same thing here

[fleet whale]

but blizzard isn't just one teacher

[deft flicker]

Blizzard doesn’t have 50 free dev teams to work on all trees at once either

They do stuff they have people for. And a lot of stuff gets done in total

[runic hinge]

It just blows my mind that blade flurry and black power are on rows 1&2 and CT is on the same row as DM lol

Row 5 mind you.

[gaunt moat]

That's why they will never make it big as a company

and stay a small indie comapny

[thorn fjord]

smoll indy company

[deft flicker]

Multi-rupee company

[deft flicker]

I’m not sure if blade flurry is a good comparison

Where is Feral’s Primal Wrath located??

[clever sapphire]

first button to the right

so 2nd point

their other 2 aoe talents are right under that

so with their first 3 points they gain like 90% of their aoe

[deft flicker]

I’d assume affli also gets their AoE in a similar manner

Which is a much more fair (but still sad) comparison

[gaunt moat]

When the sin rework will finally arrive (at patch 13.1.7) it will be glorious though

[blazing jewel]

Mutilate now attacks with 3 weapons

End of rework

[clever sapphire]

fok always gives atleast 2 cp

[gaunt moat]

We're gonna get a thrown weapon slot back

[clever sapphire]

no more crying about no points in aoe

[runic hinge]

My point is less about how the specs do their aoe and more about the investment needed to do aoe at all. For us it’s a capstone and an aoe finisher on the same row as our big cd but far away from everything else.

But I don’t wanna doom because I really have fun playing this spec. Regardless of what the meters say

[deft flicker]

If you don’t get ct and carnage you can still benefit from extra targets by using FoK and spreading Ruptures and Garrotes. It ain’t much but it’s honest work

If Outlaw doesn’t get Blade Flurry - targets past the original one might as well not exist at all

So IMO the way specs do their damage is important to how their trees function

[pulsar dirge]

in the opener after SnD why not echo-> rupture to get to sepsis DM earlier?

[deft flicker]

Having one of your core AoE abilities at row 5, and another one at row 8 is still awful though

[proper tapir]

yeah do that

[deft flicker]

Yeah, this is the way, faq pictures are a bit old

[pulsar dirge]

ah ty!

i thought the first reply was like , yeah do that SEE where it gets you

xD

[runic hinge]

Agreed. It’s a lot of investment where as other specs can get theirs very easily. Ap being 5 targets while ic is 8 also bugs me

[proper tapir]

You've been spending too much time in the outlaw channel, everyone here is a bona fide pal

[dreamy elk]

When do you beacon on sepsis opener?

[woeful meteor]

aftern rupture

[dreamy elk]

Before sepsis cast?

[royal lantern]

thats 1 of those things that doesnt matter lol

pre rupture

after rupture

[spice spire]

Sort of?

If your kill timer is tight on any reset

It can matter

But by and large if you have to ask, it doesn’t

[royal lantern]

is any kill timer tight enough that a 1sec difference makes the cut....?

[spice spire]

@blazing jewel

[royal lantern]

i get new lore

[spice spire]

Not really

That mf died before he was able to get the third cast off

Would have had a juicer

[deft flicker]

Kyle moment

[spice spire]

But he also borked it by doing it at 0:03>2;52 so he didn’t have it either way

Fumbled

[blazing jewel]

Eat my ass

I wrote new OT lore just now

[spice spire]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-evil-scary-mean-gif-18267879

[blazing jewel]

WE ALL DIED NOT JUST ME

[spice spire]

I wish I could unread something

But yeah

[blazing jewel]

THEY PUT MY PORTAL IN FRONT OF THE DOOR WHEN WE WERE ON THE OTHER SIDE

[spice spire]

That was an unluigi

Grom moment

Truly

[blazing jewel]

I terrorized range until they dropped a portal

Actually chasing one of our arcane mages

[deft flicker]

unluigi

May I yoink that one for personal use??

[blazing jewel]

Yoink this

[spice spire]

Yeah man I don’t own rights to the nonsensical things I say

[thorn fjord]

Way to eliminate self-responsiblity

[blazing jewel]

Thoughts

[thorn fjord]

Aint happening

[shy pecan]

Better chance of Quake inviting Oxi to his wedding than this happening

[thorn fjord]

Way to rub salt in the wound

[spice spire]

Does everyone forget that oxi played outlaw in 9.0? It’s in his repertoire

But also toxic

[deft flicker]

That’s new lore to me

And another reason to respect Oxi

[shy pecan]

Two years ago is like forever

[spice spire]

2?

Buddy that’s 3+

[shy pecan]

Same diff

Shit, time flies

[spice spire]

June 2021 was 9.0.5, with 9,1 happening in a month

It was not 3+

December 2020

CN

[shy pecan]

Also, hi Quake

[spice spire]

Hello

[thorn fjord]

Didnt we all play OL during the bizzaro tier at the end of SL? 😛

[proper tapir]

yes

[spice spire]

I did not

I played warrior in my free time

[thorn fjord]

DF Prepatch OL was prime delinquency

[spice spire]

Won’t touch the stuff

[silk bane]

outlaw was so fun then

they shoulda put flag and dust in class tree instead of FW and dance

ohw ell

[thorn fjord]

Flag with obedience should still be a thing imo

[silk bane]

^ agreed. like warriors get their good covenants as a capstone and the lego as a bonus right under it

and we get nothing

just a nerfed version of ER and its lego

Like the new mage rework put shifting litearlly in the middle of the class tree

cuz its a core of hte spc

[thorn fjord]

[silk bane]

and rogues are like uh whats core? 4% vers gg

[runic hinge]

our rework is otw

[wraith cosmos]

dear god i wish

[tepid lichen]

i miss legion assassination

[idle inlet]

Is it safe to assume assa is gonna be included in the rogue rework or is their a chance we getting dick all

[sweet dawn]

The rogue rework that's definitely coming soon (this week)

right guys?

[silk bane]

idk my guess is its not done, so maybe 10.1.7 who knows

[tepid lichen]

11.0

[balmy condor]

When the rework comes, Assassination will be included

I think it’s pretty safe to assume that at minimum it’s the 3 point nodes and exsang

Plus the point gate obviously

[dreamy elk]

Outside of opener, do you shiv before sepsis or hold until you can include the final tick of damage?

[balmy condor]

Sepsis->gar->shiv

[dreamy elk]

Perfect, thanks.

[balmy condor]

Np

[silk bane]

Whispyr im about to send full crit verse 0 haste sub setup on my sin tomrrow on rashok, how bad of a time am i gonna have. sugar coat it for me

[pure moth]

You'll be fine!

[limber lion]

Literally won't notice any difference

[dark token]

[silk bane]

i actually hope its not too bad, lowkey missed sin. wanted to play on reclears

[gusty mirage]

no

[silk bane]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[dreamy elk]

Next question; for deathmark (with no sepsis), do you just send shiv whenever or is there a particular time to use it?

[woeful meteor]

If you play double shiv you use shiv during Mark, during Sepsis, during Kingsbane(Kingsbane lma) and to avoid overcapping. When playing 1 Shiv, which doesnt have a viable build rn you shiv on cd.

[balmy condor]

Idk why that’s cope

[minor gate]

i would very much like to replace atleast one of these

[balmy condor]

Top 10 worst images of all time

[minor gate]

they are the only trinkets ive recieved the entire season

a hunter literally snuck a bomb dispencer from under me and ive never seen him use it

makes me want to commit acts of aggression on varing degrees

[thin scroll]

If I was a wow dev, hunters would be unable to roll need on anything

[vapid sierra]

How much of a loss is shiv outside of sep expiration?

[gaunt moat]

20% of Sepsis's damage

[vapid sierra]

Like shiv expiring on a different tick

Like you sep>shiv>gar instead of gar>shiv

[gaunt moat]

You mean the explosion at the end without shiv?
Again, minus 20%.
for example, on rashok my sepsis did 1.57m overall.
450k of that was the end explosion

if i would misstime shiv, that would be 360k

[vapid sierra]

Ayooo

That’s a big loss

[gaunt moat]

so 90k loss

[misty holly]

So we're talking about a 0.1% overall damage loss. Pretty severe.

[gaunt moat]

is it? it's a loss so it shouldn't be missplyed, but 90k overall over the whole fight is not a lot.

[misty holly]

In a fight that lasts 10 seconds you might have lost up to 1% total damage!

In a 6 minute fight... uhh it wont be noticeable

[fading adder]

I mean, what scenario is there to want to deviate from an established rotation established

Curious

Or, what are you gaining for changing it

[misty holly]

Get targetted with a mechanic in the middle of your "combo" and have to move

so you dont stack them correctly

[gaunt moat]

In general, Sepsis is one of the lowest damaging abilities we have.
But it carries the benefit of empowering garrote, which is the main reason to use it.

[fading adder]

So, if that’s the case and you get a mechanic, you’re looking at larger loss than the 90k

[vapid sierra]

Nothing, I was just curious about the loss

The first week of sepsis being viable that’s what I was doing

[fading adder]

But yea makes sense

[vapid sierra]

Shiv first

For a whole week

[gaunt moat]

I was also making that mistake. I thought shiv lasts for 10s, but it's actually 8s.

[keen spruce]

yeah i mean it's not a noticable difference but there's also really no reason to to not do it correctly

[gaunt moat]

I've finally gotten around to playing Breath of the Wild.
I swear I dunno how nintendo didn't sue Mihoyo for Genshin Impact.
It's an exact copy

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/kitty-yes-kitten-cat-cute-gif-17238199

[pure moth]

Mine did 1mil on my best pull

[gaunt moat]

maybe you had a lot more mastery then me. or longer fight

[grim tangle]

except genshin impact is actually good.

[gaunt moat]

oh wait mastery doesn't affect it

[gaunt moat]

Saying botw isn't good is a hot take

[mortal tusk]

Hey are you using critical phial ? or no ? and How % of it to put in the sim for accuracy ?

[grim tangle]

my apologies it was merely comedy, I haven't played either of these games for I am not a weeb

[half comet]

How do you guys app[ly 2 poison is there a macro i wanna press one button to put both poisons up

?

[spice spire]

They’re casts so that’s not a thing. You just use the poisons menu

Or just put different poisons on different keys

[strange python]

@gaunt moat what's the green lines for on your wa

[gaunt moat]

Personally i use a WA that put clickable icons on my ui when poisons duration is 20 minutes remaining

[gaunt moat]

Reminder to use shiv.
It completly unneccesary but i like it

Makes me feel like "hell yeah, I got a shiv in my sepsis!"

But on a technical explanation:
It appears when the enemy has sepsis debuff and you've already used garrote and shiv is not applied to enemy

Also - how to make a simple WA really complicated 😂

[strange python]

Doing standard rotation vanish seems to be about 8 seconds off of DM, that sound right?

For second DM, because sepsis garrotes are still up

[woeful meteor]

at 2 min imp gar from 1:30 sepsis should still be up, so you delay the vanish by few seconds and then at 4min you delay mark until you have vanish

fight time can impact this if delaying isn't really viable like on rashok, not sure rn what the ideal is to play rashok as I didn't play sin on rash so I didn't calculate it

[vapid sierra]

Yes you want it that way

[candid dragon]

i have no idea what im doing as assassin

LOL

[grim tangle]

me neither buddy

[limber lion]

same

[balmy condor]

same

[runic hinge]

big same

[fleet whale]

Legion came out nearly 7 years ago… that’s kind of crazy

[balmy condor]

yeah

people born in 2010 are 25 years old

let that sink in

[runic hinge]

I wish I was 25 again

[austere fulcrum]

Huh

[drifting cloud]

real

[ember mural]

[spice surge]

Thats probably gonna take a few years for me to get used to

[gusty mirage]

what is going on in here

[dawn haven]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[vapid sierra]

wait a minute

so millenials are 45 now?

fuck time flys

[balmy condor]

yeh

and feet smell

and noses run

[rocky sluice]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[sudden isle]

does anyone know the macro for using ambush instead of mutilate when its available on the same button

[ionic fox]

Probably not good to macro that.

[clever sapphire]

!ambush

[prisma monolith]

Ambush/Mutilate Macro:
This should be seen as a "lazy" option, and is not recommended. It can be hard to control and requires a third-party macro addon to expand the games base functionality. We recommend ALWAYS keybinding ambush (either with a modifier, or an entirely different key)
You can macro Ambush to Mutilate using a advanced macro addon.
Further Explanation/Details:
#assassination message

[clever sapphire]

@sudden isle

[fallen raven]

ambush macro would be extra awful for sepsis too wouldn't it

[sudden isle]

Appreciate you. I’ve been leaning against it just going to slap dummies all day tomorrow and practice with the WA modifications i made

I just hated that blindside didn’t look like ambush as an icon but i fixed that and changed some keybinds around

[clever sapphire]

Yap, i also just use 2 different keybinds

[gaunt moat]

I got mut on 1, and ambush on shift-1 using a macro

[balmy condor]

Probably should change this

Cause it will 100000% fuck your sepsis sideways upside blindfolded and handcuffed to a bedpost

[blazing jewel]

was this one of the ones we sent text to speech and it reminded you

[runic hinge]

Should’ve been

[normal otter]

I guess the rework for rogue won’t be there with 10.1.5 for sure… the patch should be within the next 3-4 weeks. Not really much time to try a big rework on ptr and shit.

[clever sapphire]

Remove it and make those lazy rogue players get another keybind

[fallen raven]

yeah i do a mod:shfit macro for ambush, saves a bar slot for whatever that's worth

[balmy condor]

I hide my bars anyway

[clever sapphire]

i could probably too at this point, seeing that sometimes my brain just zones out and im still pressing the correct abilities

but im too used to my UI being a clusterfuck at this point

[deft flicker]

So relatable, my UI is just bats of stuff and 2 health bars on top. Kinda afraid of forgetting where stuff is if I don’t see the bars, but idk

[clever sapphire]

i mean i probably still need it if i decide to play outlaw for whatever reason

but for assa and sub i could turn off my ui and it wouldnt change much probably

[grim jay]

Stop

People are at the acceptance phase

Dont ignite the doomspark

[normal otter]

Its 1st April no?

[grim jay]

And btw noone knows if the patch will be in 6 days, 6 weeks or 6 months

[clever sapphire]

(sssh he has the cursed yellow color, they didnt reach that stage yet)

[royal lantern]

i play by typing /cast ability name

[deft flicker]

Us yellows don’t have the attention span to reach the acceptance, people get stuck at rage/barter

[grim jay]

Ikr

[clever sapphire]

maybe i should become a yellow too, because my attention span is usually shorter than my random 20 pugs

[grim jay]

I have a yellow boy in my guild

[deft flicker]

And idek where some get the info about “big rework”. All we were promised is “some changes”

People just decide to imply stuff and flame the devs

[royal lantern]

random 20pugs are something else

wanted to do my VP +20, got a group, put the key in after a ready check+countdown, and while the countdown for the keystart is at 3seconds, the healer says "no spriest, cant time it" and leaves

DIDNT EVEN GET TO PULL THE FIRST PACK

[grim jay]

It clearly said ret level rework

[clever sapphire]

[grim jay]

Trust me

Need to read between the lines

[clever sapphire]

pug level of dumbness

lovin it

[clever sapphire]

2+2=4-1=rogue rework, quick mafs

[royal lantern]

rogue rework: outlaw goes to the farm and has a happy life

i would accept it

and then gets replaced with SL outlaw

[clever sapphire]

dont tempt me, imma reroll outlaw

[grim jay]

With wod combat

[deft flicker]

Looks like you’re not at an acceptance stage yourself

[stray sage]

may be controversial, but I want a tank spec or a dps support spec (bard) like augmentation so I can get into pugs

[clever sapphire]

wdym tank spec, i already tank half the keys im playing

[deft flicker]

A tank spec sounds interesting tbh

[clever sapphire]

outlaw = new tank

dps support = assa

[deft flicker]

Nah, not like that

[clever sapphire]

true, outlaw can become the first tank support

[deft flicker]

I’m not sure I’m followinf

[clever sapphire]

neither am i

its cookin time

[deft flicker]

You acquiring some charcoal first, I suppose??

[clever sapphire]

already in my pocket, stole it from santa during christmas

[deft flicker]

Ooh, nice. Then stop burning the kitchen down

[royal lantern]

he is talking random shit

[clever sapphire]

see tryan already knows me

[deft flicker]

Yea

[clever sapphire]

also bladefurry name was taken on blackrock, kinda sad 😦

[deft flicker]

Bwadefwuwwy

[keen spruce]

fist wep enforcer rogue

just a bouncer

[clever sapphire]

what if they deleted warlock (nobody loves warlocks anyways, they just hog PI and bitch about not doing 20k more dps than everyone else) and instead they made a new class that has 2 different tank specs

and no dps spec

[deft flicker]

That’s a bear with mage tower skin

[keen spruce]

give demonology meta back

make them a tank

make enh a tank again

[clever sapphire]

is this some classic shit im too young to understand?

[deft flicker]

They did that in 2016

[keen spruce]

yeah it was like an off-meta "spec"

could tank okay on enh

[clever sapphire]

sounds fun

[keen spruce]

it was cool

[royal lantern]

during mop, warlock was the special child

like, warlock had warlock centered reworks and was the most busted class in the history of wow

casting all spells while moving, high mobility, top dps with all 3 specs, legit 1hit killing Players in minigame mode

demo lock still had metamorph and could offtank a bit with it

remmeber that everytime a warlock says "omg mop warlock was so good!!!!!!"

🙂

[keen spruce]

that fukin talent

that let them cast while moving

shaman had one too

[clever sapphire]

ah so its exactly what i said, they bitch about not being broken broken

[keen spruce]

for lightning bolt

[clever sapphire]

good thing i started in the best wow expansion, SL

SV hunter goes bombombombombomb

[royal lantern]

mate, mop warlock was something else

like

holy shit

mop warlock was legit the most stupid thing ever

make current warlock dmg 20% higher

and let them cast everything while moving

and more selfheal

[blazing jewel]

Playing in mop

[royal lantern]

and more deffensives

[blazing jewel]

You guys are ancient

[royal lantern]

and could offtank

and that with all3 specs

that was mop warlock

[blazing jewel]

Tryan age 47 confirmed

[clever sapphire]

sounds good to me tbf, now add augmentation evoker to that

[royal lantern]

close

26

[clever sapphire]

damn thats like almost 30, and 30 is closer to 50 than 0 and at 50 you round up so 100

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/growing-old-getting-old-grow-old-old-man-becoming-old-gif-17885988

[pseudo hamlet]

It's impossible to kill both guys on the Naraxas? It always bugs whenever I am doing it on my rogue in M+. One guy just get 100% evasion, 100%HP and even increased movement speed?

I mean the drogbars that leaps down from the stands.

[keen spruce]

uh u can def kill them

both

[clever sapphire]

ah worm boss adds

yap you can kill both

and you should too, otherwise boss goes madge

[pseudo hamlet]

But it's impossible to kill them both... Whenever I am doing that boss on the first try in M+ one of them is evading everything and even has increased movement speed and goes straight to the boss :/

[clever sapphire]

never experienced that

no idea how that even happens 🤔

you can put those puddles in their way so they get slowed

[pseudo hamlet]

It's always the first pack. One of them is invincible and no one can even attack him.

[clever sapphire]

weirdly specific

[pseudo hamlet]

I am wondering if maybe that's me who is just somehow bugging them out. I am always going straight away, almost immediately, and using IC+Vanish+Garrote.

[oak sky]

might be the vanish

[clever sapphire]

try without the vanish part, maybe that somehow gets you their aggro first and with the vanish they lose aggro and decide fight is over

[oak sky]

proximity aggro then dropping yeah

[clever sapphire]

just use vanish for your DM

now your even if you press vanish on accident its gonna be fine

[pseudo hamlet]

Thanks guys, that may be it then.

It's always funny to see one drogbar running with increased movement speed evading everything though

[clever sapphire]

its probably less fun that the boss gets enraged after he eats the mob tho

[normal otter]

Do you guys Macro thistle tea to deathmark for the mastery boost? Or do you just Safe all 3 stacks for energy starving situations.

[clever sapphire]

i use one in opener so im not capped

[balmy condor]

first in opener with deathmark to not cap, otherwise the rest for energy

[misty holly]

I have my little brother in charge of doing Tea. I tell him just watch my energy and if it ever gets below 30% hit this button. That way I don't have to even think about it.

[normal otter]

Makes sense Ty

[royal lantern]

i dont use tea

otherwhise people might think im bri*ish

🤢

[clever sapphire]

why does it have to be thistle tea, gimme hot chocolate or some shit like that

lemme choose what type of drink i want and that also changes the effect of the drink

like choosing an energy drink gives me haste instead of mastery

choosing sugar free energy drink makes me lose energy because there is no sugar in it

[royal lantern]

you ok kyle?

[clever sapphire]

hot chocolate fills you with warmth so increased versa

not sure what drink would give you crit

probably some kind of beer or some shit like that

[deft flicker]

Crimson vial flavours moment

[clever sapphire]

nah its thistle tea

first choice node with 4 different choices

[cobalt hemlock]

onyx amulet nerf is already in or is that later?

[clever sapphire]

10.1.5

so not yet

[cobalt hemlock]

i see thank you!

[grim jay]

The only thing that fills me with warmth is having the sin bros around

[royal lantern]

not cum?

[normal mist]

Is it just me that enjoys pushing normal raid logs? Every tier i try to get higher and higher in the rankings, this might be my best ranking yet at #21 LOL

[royal lantern]

[royal lantern]

i mean, everyone can do what they personaly enjoy lol

if you wanna grab that #1normal log, go for it

[normal mist]

I can't brother, i can't parse well on assault 😦

[limber lion]

Join a shit group with low ilvls and pad to your hearts content.

[normal mist]

I've been doing normal to get my friends with low ilevel to be able to join (since i do their dps X3),

But that fight is always a clownfiesta

[keen spruce]

oh dang my experiments normal is still r1

assault you either do what cev said

or you get a gamer group

and kill it in like 30s

[normal mist]

I'm doing 105k on experiments, for some reason i still can't go higher than that

[keen spruce]

gear / procs

also cloak one of the deep breaths

for uptime

[normal mist]

You bet i did

[keen spruce]

maybe just cheat death and health pot the 2nd one lol

[normal mist]

That would have really helped, proccing c.d. i didn't thought of that

Also my bacon is still 437, so my crits from it are not as high as they could be

[keen spruce]

oh also beacon crit twice for me

lol

that's the real important one

[normal mist]

Ikr!

Got extremely good logs due to crits xD

[cobalt hemlock]

same man i have everything like 90+ and assualt at like 70 last time we killed it even before second deathmark

[keen spruce]

no 2nd deathmark

kill faster

crit beacon

[cobalt hemlock]

no beacon

[keen spruce]

[normal mist]

All i need is a group of gamers

And BRRRRRRRR

[keen spruce]

oh wait that's with an iridius fragment lol

i haven't killed it since i got my beacon

[cobalt hemlock]

well our kills are about 3 times longer than yours lmao

[normal mist]

Also, isn't the feeling when you start getting pi'd without asking amazing? Bro yesterday this priest just decided "well you're gonna be my raidbro now"

[cobalt hemlock]

33 second is crazy

[keen spruce]

there's probably some tech

where you don't slice and dice in the opener

drop sepsis for something else

for maximum 30s pump lol

[cobalt hemlock]

eh my opener is usually preety weak compared to different classes since i have dice too

[normal mist]

I'm using bacon + HC bomb dispenser 441

[cobalt hemlock]

is gem simming also so weird to you? last time i did one it game me all crit gems and now i wanted to sim something else and it gave me completely different gems for my neck saying these are best now?

nothing really changed

[normal mist]

My Sims keep asking for more and more haste

[keen spruce]

i don't worry about regemming

[normal mist]

So my gems changed from crit mastery to crit haste, and even the primary stats + secundary asked for more haste

[keen spruce]

check like once a month to make sure i'm not completely fuckin things up

but almost always it's like a +/-100dps difference

and doesn't matter

[cobalt hemlock]

its just weird

[clever sapphire]

i once read whispyr was thinking about some weird KB build that would minmax the shit out of those 30 seconds

not sure if he came to any conclusion

[keen spruce]

i don't think we're goin back to normal anytime soon

but if we do i'll cook up some goofy BS

[clever sapphire]

just do some 30s sims with builds

[cobalt hemlock]

at that point logs arent even how good you are but all the different factors which is preety lame

[clever sapphire]

i mean how good can you execute your spec in 30 seconds also counts

minmaxing every single global

sure bacon crit and whatnot is shit

[cobalt hemlock]

eh difference between 99 parse and 100 is preety much never player skill

[clever sapphire]

this season its never gonna be player skill

and always be

[normal mist]

90 to 100 isn't aswell

[clever sapphire]

ring proc, bacon proc

[normal mist]

It's bacon crits

[clever sapphire]

sophic proc

[cobalt hemlock]

yeah for me at least i lose all interest

[normal mist]

You just build crit and you crit

XD

[clever sapphire]

the first 2 weeks are the only interesting weeks for me

[cobalt hemlock]

turns from something fun to proove yourself to just cringe showing off

[clever sapphire]

after that people are minmaxing on their reclear and looking into outside factors to get better logs

[normal mist]

Exactly. I just min max the shit of every fight now