assassination

[gaunt moat]

I get that you're exxegurating with "half". but which ability that cloak doesn't work on would you like it to?

[spice surge]

Its also bad when it doesnt work. The fire on the first boss goes through it, as does a lot of stuff in neltharions lair

[blazing jewel]

Zskarn fire goes through cloak

Cloak is useless on most of sark

[royal lantern]

i would play a generic DR over cloak in some places this Patch

like idk

[stray sage]

ice block?

[royal lantern]

would be cool as an alternative option

ofc cloak would be better 90% of the time

[gaunt moat]

you mean embers or traps?

[spice surge]

Traps

[gaunt moat]

cloak removes the dot

[spice surge]

Ye

But you still get new stacks

And take damage from them

[blazing jewel]

Yea but it stacks and will insta kill you after

It’s legit better to cloak the TD for uptime

[earnest remnant]

run through then cloak 🙂

[gaunt moat]

We just started this boss yesterday so i'm still trying to figure out when to cloak.
right now i still get hit by traps a lot, so i use it if i get 3+ stacks from traps

[earnest remnant]

i usually cloak, when i get the shitty beam overlaps with destruction

[gaunt moat]

I got complaints when I did that, cause dispelling beam makes it shoot instantly, and it may hit other players

[earnest remnant]

yeah you go to a safe side

then cloak

[royal lantern]

daily reminder that zskarn is so bad, its not even funny anymore

[earnest remnant]

on 2nd destruction is when you get lines at the same time, so there i usually just go the opposite of the boss and time my cloak for the 2nd explosion

ofc not getting hit by the first

[gaunt moat]

After 3 pulls I was already so over this boss. Not having fun.

Do you have a WA for the TD explosions you can share?

i saw on whispyr's stream he had like a bar with ticks

[earnest remnant]

u mean like this?

its just from the liquid raid pack

[gaunt moat]

it looked different, but someting like this yeah

maybe i can find something in wago.io

[earnest remnant]

think most raid packs would have it

[gaunt moat]

i'm using Causes WAs, unfortunently, he doesn't

[earnest remnant]

https://pastebin.com/euFNWs49 well here is that one

[gaunt moat]

thanks 🙂

[rare sierra]

Hi friends I am only a sub player but I want to learn how to play assassination too is it hard 🙂

[clever sapphire]

you have to learn an opener, manage dots and thats about it

i wouldnt call it hard but i have been always playing assa

[limber lion]

Single target is fairly easy, AoE used to be very difficult but nowadays that's pretty easy too

[rare sierra]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[gaunt moat]

@proper tapir Tried the AP/CB build first time
yeah it was pretty good 🙂
Still not 100% sure when to envenom, so i mostly just CT spam

[clever sapphire]

ap cb ic?

[limber lion]

Honestly not a fan myself, gimps the ST too hard

[clever sapphire]

seeing as you dont have poison bomb you just dont envenom in aoe probably xd

[limber lion]

It feels pretty dank doing IC Gar, Rup, CT into Aoe CB Shiv

but the st got me on the ropes

and I hate not having Poison Bomb

So it's literally just CT spam in AoE

[clever sapphire]

eh im fine with the ST part on fort weeks

[limber lion]

I hate 2 button rotations

[clever sapphire]

poison bomb really hurts true

but isnt ic dtb 2 buttons also?

well 3 cause keep up envenom

[limber lion]

It's 3 because of Envenom

Well, technically there's no "2 button rotations" or whatever in the kit

We always have to maintain bleeds

but the first portion after setting up IC bleeds is just 2 buttons for 10s

That's why I'm not the biggest fan of IC

I would enjoy it a lot more if the bleeds did much more damage and were actually impactful somehow

And IC cd would be much lower to account for that

[clever sapphire]

yep thats why i take ap ic because without ic i still have the aoe shiv

so im never lacking any aoe no matter where

and having to think about CB also is just fun

[limber lion]

AP ain't really that much AoE to be honest

Well maybe it is a bit more now with the 2p and maybe 4p

But yeah, no PB and no DTB is just pain (and no DS)

[clever sapphire]

i just miss PB mostly in that build

it wouldnt do much, but it feels good when it procs

[limber lion]

Except PB actually does do quite a bit

If you properly fish for procs, it will be like top 3 in damage

[rare jackal]

cloak is best used when dragonheads go off, especially the second time where there is a nasty overlap with beams
be mindful that when you have embers on you and you press cloak it will instantly trigger elimination protocol

[clever sapphire]

im pretty unlucky with PB procs, so i never usually get it in aoe

[gaunt moat]

I tried it on brackenhide, where almost all bosses have some cleave, maybe on other dungeons it won't be too hot

[clever sapphire]

actually my luck has been terrible this whole expansion besides getting tierset

[limber lion]

No such thing as unlucky pb procs

But yeah I see where you're getting at

[clever sapphire]

also i run ap ic on dungeons with big pulls

freehold/bracken

underrot too usually

[limber lion]

I can see AP/IC being really good for Bracken

But not sure about Freehold personally

The bosses are pretty nasty

[clever sapphire]

it was fine on 21 yesterday

like i didnt feel like we were missing ST dmg on bosses

and nobody did over 100k on boss dmg

well besides double boss

[limber lion]

No one did over 100k?

[clever sapphire]

yap

shit group, i was first place on overall dps with 135k

[limber lion]

Good thing it's fort

[clever sapphire]

i mean i wouldnt run this build on tyra week

i just go the usual dtb ic on tyra weeks

[grim jay]

Still a convo about that cursed AP build

[clever sapphire]

notter brought up that it felt good in bracken

cev touched on it

and i like it so i jumped in on the convo

[subtle tundra]

people be saying assa is good in m+ and then say the dmg they see in the keys they play

playing with bots

[clever sapphire]

i cant do shit about it if people in 20-21s are bots because blizzard made the game so easy

get a good heal and the key is over

[dusty trellis]

laniart with 7 gems + boots still lower dps then boots + wrists ?

[grim jay]

Just do 25s

[clever sapphire]

i would say sim it, but im pretty sure its worse yep

[grim jay]

BiS profiles always have max gems

As thats BiS

[clever sapphire]

im already searching for like 40 minutes for 1 key, and you want me to go pug 25s

[grim jay]

Was a joke, i'd never suggest pugging 25s

Its a pain, believe me

[clever sapphire]

i cant be bothered going above 20-21

i just want my weekly

my sub ends in 20 days anyways, so after that im freed of this game

[grim jay]

Until boredom strikes again

We all been there

[clever sapphire]

nah i cant be bored enough to come back to this Season/expansion

im a big hater of the whole theme

im just gonna commit more time to bouldering

i may not climb the dps meters, but atleast i can climb walls

[grim jay]

Theme is way better than shadowlands imo

[clever sapphire]

i dont like disneyland

but well i also liked torghast boss rush mode, sepulcher and sanctum

so my opinion doesnt really count

[gaunt moat]

Injured my shoulder, haven't climbed in 6 months 🥲

[clever sapphire]

i just started a month ago, no injury yet luckily

get well and climb them walls/rocks/trees again

[gaunt moat]

It's always the most fun to start something new. you have the fasted noticeable improvements from session to session 🙂

[clever sapphire]

yap, like at first i was tired after 1 hour, now i can keep going after 3 hours but my fingers start giving up the grip

so i have to find less steep walls

[sand inlet]

!sims

[prisma monolith]

Simulations:
Bloodmallet: https://bloodmallet.com/index.html

[gaunt moat]

@clever sapphire This was a cool course.
The trickiest part was the very first step cause you gotta jump into a sloper and hug the wall that has nothing to really grip.

[clever sapphire]

ye sooo im pretty sure thats above my skill level currently, but it looks fun for sure

[gaunt moat]

it's a fun one cause it's not about strength

[clever sapphire]

its always the people saying its not about strength, then you see them holding on with like 2 fingers and pulling themselves in xD

im not sure if i could hold onto those slopy holds

i just did my first upside down one and was hella happy with that

[gaunt moat]

now those DO require strength

slopers are very technical cause it's all about the angle

[clever sapphire]

yap i realised that already, currently the thing i like the least is where its pretty much only feet on an angled wall thats also tall

[thorn fjord]

Are you Steve Aoki?

[gaunt moat]

Usually when people compare me to any other man with long hair, he's at least white

[thorn fjord]

Sorry i dont see color

[clever sapphire]

then bouldering is not for you

[gaunt moat]

Like, almost every time someone new sees me he compares me to someone new I never heard about. And They never look anything like me
It's long hair racism!

[clever sapphire]

time for a new month, long hair month

every person with long hair has to be appreciated

[storm forum]

fellow long haired friends assemble

[clever sapphire]

(i dont have long hair tho, but my brother has so it somewhat counts)

[gaunt moat]

You can identify as having long hair and be an ally

[clever sapphire]

good enough for me

[frozen jasper]

Slimy or toxic boots? heard that toxic is oversimming

[clever sapphire]

toxic if you are assa only, slimy if you multispec

[vapid sierra]

both

wait no nvm

like toxic patch and slimy boots?

dont oyu want both?

[clever sapphire]

there is toxic boots

and slimy boots

and then there is toxic patch

[vapid sierra]

ahh

i went slimy boots + toxic patch

whats the difference between the two?

[clever sapphire]

its kinda the same in the end, toxic just better for assa

some haste scaling thingy that im not smart enough to remember, i only remember which is better

[gusty mirage]

No notter is your new dad

[main vessel]

do you count if you had long hair and cut it off because it kept getting caught in your car door?

[clever sapphire]

We are all long hair guys in our hearts, everyone is welcome

[main vessel]

perfect

[burnt latch]

you are all perfect in my eyes remember that

[spice spire]

Mister herbo

Don, if I may

I heard you’ve been juiced

Can you confirm?

[proper tapir]

Nice! You only envenom to keep SnD up or in low targets (3 or less) to keep evenom buff up. The point of keeping evenom buff in low targets is for buffing poison procs on FoK. Other than that you spam CT

[gaunt moat]

My biggest issue (which is just because i'm lazy) is that I got bomb dispenser macro'd to envenom. And I don't envenom

need to macro to CT i guess

[proper tapir]

Add it to CT too then, you're not using it in raid

[gaunt moat]

Just didn't think about it before starting the dungeon

[sonic spindle]

I have it macrod to like 3 abilities, ambush, mut, and envenom iirc

Is sin being slept on? I swapped specs and without changing anything I’m simming and hitting higher dps than I am in sub

[desert pasture]

Just got buffed so I don't think so some have been swapping to it plays well and has higher mobility than sub if you don't want to hold your vanishes for movement so I think it's pretty good now

Only issue is that the cd timings are kinda beans for sark if they were better it'd be huge there, and it's definitely big on echo

[clever sapphire]

assa was already like 1k dps ahead with the sepsis tech

now its like 2-3k i think

it also comes down to stats, i sim 5k more as assa than sub

[sonic spindle]

Yea I got a few upgrades and was like “hey why not sim the spec I love” and it simmed 6k more, so I went up to a dummy and was able to keep up some nice dmg.

[clever sapphire]

also if you love assa more you will probably do better in raid too

[sonic spindle]

Sin I actually understand what I’m doing and why, sub I was just kind of mashing keys a bit lol

[desert pasture]

If that is the case you probably should have just been playing sin the whole time lol

It was never that far behind

[sonic spindle]

The sub channel really likes to exaggerate how easy sub is lol

I think I did ok, but I’ve been mostly sin since ulduar so it’s my true love

[desert pasture]

It's cuz you have a two button rotation half the time but if you don't put in the effort to learn the dance macabre windows then you will be missing some performance for sure

[sonic spindle]

Macabre stacks was always something I struggled with, and when to gloom/shuriken during dance.

Im gonna play sin tonight and see how it goes in raid. I want to be able to enjoy a very ST focused raid with my favorite ST spec lol

[clever sapphire]

I always played assa in raid, only played sub sometimes out of interest

[rare jackal]

sub with the rotten looks really convoluted

[clever sapphire]

I only tried the rotten build

Not sure if i played it wrong, but wasnt too hard to grasp for me

Took like 3 hc bosses

[half dawn]

only thing about sub you can screw up is the opener

[thorn fjord]

Macro it to mutilate like a true Chad

[gaunt moat]

Actually since i have only 1 on use trinket now, that can work

[thorn fjord]

Since we don’t even use mutilate in the opener it doesn’t really fuck with beacon

[gaunt moat]

But in m+ you don't mutilate much either

[thorn fjord]

Then set it to mut and fok

I have it set to GB and Storm on sub

It’ll make sure it’s always on cd

And you can still min max on the explosion by switching targets tbh

But there’s no real reason to do that it’s soooo minor.. tested it with a guildy who was sending it manually trying to min max

[wary ice]

In m+ are you maintaining envenom atill on packs? Is it sizw dependant?

[limber lion]

Just Envenom to keep Slice and Dice up and whenever mob hps are lower instead of reapplying new Ruptures

[wary ice]

And otherwise just spam ct regardless of its dot remaining?

[limber lion]

Yeah making sure to maintain garrotes and ruptures

You don't really have too too much time to spam ct before ruptures start running out

[hot fulcrum]

Do we have a ~ percent of the damage from 437 bombs trincket?

Just trying to figure out if ~5% is ok for trinket

[limber lion]

Just sim yourself

Quick Sim, you'll see how much it does

[hot fulcrum]

fair point.
But let me ask in another way.
What is the expected result we want to have from damage trinkets? Someone said "Oh, I was thinking it will be ~10% of overall" in st. That was a bit strange for me

[limber lion]

Literally again

the same answer

Sim yourself

The "expected result" varies from person to person

What gear they have, what spec they play, what trinkets they use, what ilvl the trinket is, what ilvl the character is

and so on

Could be 10% for someone who uses a 447 trinket and is 420 ilvl

Could be 5% for someone who uses a normal trinket and is 445 ilvl

There is no expected value that applies to everyone

because everyone's profiles are different

[cinder bone]

Can you link the AP build

[limber lion]

BMQAAWulQAmRd/c4Iy2r7VOUFgkIJJJCAAAAAAAQSAOQiAAAAAAAINkkUSCJJJpFIJkERkkA

[winged quail]

I really think macroing Beacon to a builder is a horrible idea for M+

imagine sending beacon 10s before a boss when a pack is almost dead on Tyrranical cuz it's macroed to storm

[limber lion]

Wtf

That's so demonic

[sweet dawn]

When I've been playing it I basically just CT spam in aoe

Only envenoming on ST

[proper tapir]

Yeah, but I resimmed it with maintaining evenom biff in low targets and it was a gain. You should still maintain SnD with envenom too, even in aoe.

[sweet dawn]

Oh yeah that too

[proper tapir]

#1065730164077645916 message

This covers more of the playerstyle too.

[sharp trellis]

Hi ! For M+ sim, what is your recommendation ? The easiest

[shut owl]

Easiest is probably the dtb+IC build since it's very similar to ST rotation... But minus blindside

[clever sapphire]

easiest is going sub

[winter gale]

Very best m+ build is so easy

Hunterlike easy

[rare heron]

question from a noob rogue, is worth spend 3cp on any finisher or i do use mut for 5cp?

[winter gale]

Use muti

[rare heron]

kk thx

[shut owl]

Big true, but then you don't get to be top 100 with only 1800 io

[thin gate]

guys im at a point where droptimizer tells me raid rings > 441-447 over Annulet

is that possible or some weird interaction?

[shut owl]

Very possible, and normal

[gusty mirage]

assassination drops annulet with good enough gear & rings

[thin gate]

aaah

tyvm guys

[clever sapphire]

top 10 and i agree on the statement

[gusty mirage]

rejoice you are free from the rppm hell that is the 10.0.7 ring that we were totally only supposed to use for 10.0.7

[shut owl]

Lol

[gusty mirage]

until they decided to giga buff every fucking gem

only to nerf it in 10.1.5

[clever sapphire]

i mean it lasted 0.0.7 patches

so like half of dragonflight

[gusty mirage]

lmao

[shut owl]

?

[gusty mirage]

technically 0.0.8 patches

[shut owl]

Yes

[clever sapphire]

thats too much math for me

i cant count so far sorry

[gusty mirage]

just like whoever decided to giga buff them cause they were sad no one wanted to use the ring

[shut owl]

Back to sub you go then

[clever sapphire]

it was probably the guy who designed zskarn

[gusty mirage]

no you see the ring was a good idea

zskarn never was

if they woulda left it as is

you could gear an alt

get a 424 ring that would carry your alt over until 10.1

and everyone's happy

people don't feel compelled to raid the vaults

do it on alts

then toss aside next patch

[tacit otter]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[gusty mirage]

but just like the zskarn "fix"

[rich pollen]

Anyone know the breakpoint target count for slamming CT instead of Env (in m+ scenarios) if all u care about is padding

[gusty mirage]

there isn't one

it's legit neutral

[clever sapphire]

yes there is, its called the cursed AP/IC/CB build

[rich pollen]

interesting

[limber lion]

Also kinda depends on whether you use PB, whether the mobs are alive the entire time and so on

[gusty mirage]

I will fly to your house and kiss you on the mouth

[clever sapphire]

[limber lion]

There's no simple answer to when to spam whichever button

[gusty mirage]

yeah if you manage to proc poison bombs w/ envenom

it'll end up doing more damage

god assassination's aoe is so cursed

[clever sapphire]

okay but, what about first pull in neltharus

[gusty mirage]

lol

[gusty mirage]

you cry because it takes 8 years to gather all the mobs

and you sit on IC in stealth for 8 years

[limber lion]

Yeah and if mobs are dying, you don't wanna slam 5 CT's and Ruptures b2b2b2b2b2b and then the mobs die with 20s of each on them

[runic hinge]

you just dont play that dungeon because it sucks

[clever sapphire]

ye but like pb doesnt even hit them all

[gusty mirage]

TRUE

[rich pollen]

wouldn't you just slam and vansish into IC if it takes that long on pull 1

[limber lion]

Doesn't matter

[gusty mirage]

my feelcraft for the year: I've come to the conclusion that nothing you do in aoe as assassination actually matters

[rich pollen]

lol

[clever sapphire]

pressing boon does

[limber lion]

Envenom = Single target damage, extends Slice, procs Dashing Scoundrel, uses up Amp stacks, procs Poison Bomb

[tall atlas]

this might be dumb do i use deadly poison ye

[limber lion]

Envenom is a pretty stacked button for what it is

[gusty mirage]

yarp

deadly + amp

[tall atlas]

amp dealy

cool cool

just making sure

gonna run sin in raid tonight for first few bosses HERE WE GO

[rich pollen]

there any optimizations for amp by env'ing other mobs to burn stacks?

like it doesn't really matter cuz nothing does for aoe as oxi said ha

[gusty mirage]

can dump envenoms into a prio target, or just naturally burn them while fishing for poison bomb procs

[limber lion]

Sure, by getting to 10+ stacks then using Shiv during your 4p tierset window after DM with tea and potion and puzzle box on the biggest target in the pack for giga damage

Just kidding

Nothing matters

[clever sapphire]

i was expecting an even bigger troll saying we dont play puzzle box anymore

[limber lion]

If mobs are like 30% hp, you just slam Envenom over and over instead of reapplying useless stuff

[rich pollen]

lmao

[gusty mirage]

as long as your bleeds are rolling, snd is running, your only min-max is legit trying to keep up envenom buff uptime for a bit more poison damage

[subtle tundra]

every assa key i play makes me sad

[rich pollen]

snd isn't even that important in aoe is it?

[clever sapphire]

it only makes me sad if i played sub before

[limber lion]

It is the #1 most important thing always

[gusty mirage]

it is, it's free damage

[subtle tundra]

cant even play assa for fun anymore 😦

[rich pollen]

how much impact does it have in 10 mobs

[limber lion]

It's the most important thing in single target and 10000000 targets

[rich pollen]

i usually don't put it up until all my shits rolling

[limber lion]

Yeah that's trolling

[gusty mirage]

sadly our melee auto attack damage still ends up top 5 in keys

[rich pollen]

you guys put up snd before you get IC rupture/CT up?

[limber lion]

I did a sim where I completely removed Slice and it was like -2k dps

[rich pollen]

in AOE

[limber lion]

You maintain Slice from previous packs

[gusty mirage]

I usually gar x3 into snd then er into rupture

[rich pollen]

well yeah, just mean pack 1

[limber lion]

You only need to apply Slice once in the beginning on the first pack

[rich pollen]

or if it ffalls

[gusty mirage]

then put up CT

[limber lion]

Yes

You do Garrote Slice Garrote Fok Rup

Assuming you have IC up

[rich pollen]

i been garrote into CT into ER rupture then knives->snd

[limber lion]

Honestly doesn't matter

[gusty mirage]

tbh as long as its running eventually in the opener, it's fine

[limber lion]

As long as you have everything up asap, you're fine

[gusty mirage]

whether it's 2nd global or 6th

[rich pollen]

I just can't fathom it being more important than getting CT or rupture up 1-4 globals before i dunno

[misty holly]

Typically if SnD is down in a dungeon for the next trash pull I will IC -> Garrote, ER -> Rupture, Fan -> CT, then Fan SnD. Basically put all my dots up first before worrying about SnD

[rich pollen]

yeah me too

[misty holly]

Depending on size of the pull of course... it it's only 2 mobs might play it more like cleave and get snd going first.

[rich pollen]

i dump cps into CT tho so that pressing ER gives me 7cps IC rupture always

[limber lion]

Not having CP ready before every single pack is also trolling

First pack is the only exception of course

That's the only time you have to worry about having to press Slice in combat

[misty holly]

I mean, shit happens you have to be adaptable.

[limber lion]

After that you always make sure to end the fight with 6CP

[misty holly]

Maybe people died on the boss (maybe you died) and there is a delay.

[limber lion]

Yeah there's not much you can do there can you

Kinda goes without saying

If it's legit impossible to have SnD up, then it is what it is

[rich pollen]

why you end with 6

[limber lion]

Huh?

[rich pollen]

garroting from stealth gives you wasting cps

[limber lion]

You end with 6CP

Then you use Slice before pulling the next pack

in stealth

So you start combat with 0 CP always

[rich pollen]

oh i see what you're saying

[limber lion]

You just run around with 6CP before the next pack

Stealth, Slice, Garrote

[rich pollen]

it only drops if people die and we waiting for run backs

[limber lion]

And 6CP because there's a natural combo point decay so you might lose one or two whilst running around

[rich pollen]

so its not really a big deal outside first pull, generally slamming env end of pack capping its duration

[limber lion]

Again

Nothing matters

[rich pollen]

sad state haha

[limber lion]

So long as you have all bleeds/maintenance stuff up

You're 99% there

[tall atlas]

vers flask ye?

[limber lion]

Sure

[tall atlas]

cool ty

is there a mastery phial

[gusty mirage]

closest is elemental chaos

which rotates between all 4 secondaries

[tall atlas]

ye maybe that is better than straight vers?

can i get the sim command for it somewhere

wait nvm

[true basalt]

this guy is pumping af, outclassed them all

first boss in hc

[steel spire]

1 min sprint on magma 👍🏾 juicyyyy

[thin gate]

has any1 ever simmed drop tea for +1 point in lethality with enough secondary stats?

[limber lion]

Tea is the last thing you want to remove, you would drop RC and ER before dropping tea

[misty holly]

Tell me how many things to drop before Tea and I will drop them all to get there.... hate tea lol

[thin gate]

i was just curious about the tea, cause rn i only use it for the flat mastery buff infight

(maybe because i run loaded dice aswell)

[limber lion]

Then you use it wrong

Tea should be used for the energy mainly

[thin gate]

i dont have energy downtimes...

[limber lion]

Tea is fucking nice

[thin gate]

like 1-2 x in a 5 min fight

[limber lion]

That's the biggest cap I've ever heard

[thin gate]

thats where i use it

[limber lion]

It's nothing but downtime between Deathmarks

[thin gate]

literally had a rashok fight rn

where i had only need to use 2 teas

[limber lion]

Link the log

[thin gate]

1 sec

[livid ruin]

No point in not using your teas at that point

If only for the mastery buff

[misty holly]

My main complaints with the 10.0 talent tree is keybind bloat and sped up the APM too much. Tea exacerbates both of those. Nothing to do with if it's powerful or not. I just wish it didnt exist.

[ionic kelp]

if you have both shiv charges available while deathmark is going, is it a gain to send both? also, if there’s a possibility you miss a shiv for sepsis (which I’m not sure would happen or not)?

[limber lion]

The apm isn't even that high...

[limber lion]

Yes, you send them both with DM. No you would not miss a Sepsis Shiv.

[indigo mulch]

I kinda miss old set bonus vendetta 😦

[ionic kelp]

perfect, thanks

[keen spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/i-dont-believe-you-gif-24248233

[limber lion]

He did a disappearing act

[clever sapphire]

you mean exsang?

[limber lion]

Like a true rogue

[wary ice]

@limber lion thanks for the answers earlier today, my job has the audacity to expect me to actually work so I wasn't able to say it then

[limber lion]

All good homie

[wary ice]

Is it also normal to choke on energy through tea usages on bosses?

I can't tell if I'm rushing finishers or misusing tea :[

[limber lion]

Yeah that's completely normal

Which is why what Ryluk and Ghost said was weird to me

You're often very starved between Deathmark windows

[eager junco]

ayo, my envenom macro sometimes bugs out and then just never works, any reason for it ?

#showtooltip Envenom
/use Dragonfire Bomb Dispenser
/cast Envenom

[wary ice]

Does it make sense to pool w/finisher cp around ep?

Or do you just send shit and take the L

[eager junco]

like it works fine at eventually it just never casts either the trinket nor the envenom

[thin gate]

@ Pm

[limber lion]

Unfortunately doesn't really make a difference.

Pooling and minmaxing like that is a tale as old as time.

You just send everything always

And generate/finish whenever

[wary ice]

Cool

Thanks again

I have to beat sub rerollers on assa to prove a point

[subtle kiln]

reroll off rogue instead of going to sub.

[errant swallow]

Why would you go sub

Unless you're really into pushing M

[wary ice]

Sub was/is my favorite spec

[errant swallow]

Im one of them.

[clever perch]

what flask does assa use in raid?

elemental chaos?

[tacit otter]

vers or crit flask

[clever perch]

for st?

[tacit otter]

ye

[clever perch]

why tho

[tacit otter]

its better? and sims better

[clever perch]

isnt mastery/crit/haste better than vers as assa?

[tacit charm]

Crit gives back energy

[tacit otter]

all stats are fine for assa, even vers

[tacit charm]

Neko it also depends on your stat distribution

[gusty mirage]

agility > crit > mastery >= haste => versatility

general guideline to follow

[limber lion]

Have you read what the phials do or how much stats they give?

[clever perch]

what was the simm command to compare flasks in my own simc?

[limber lion]

You don't need one

You use either crit for damage

Or vers for damage + little bit of defensives

[hollow vault]

what if he's full haste and we don't know

[dark token]

stats are barely a thing for assa

i have like 4k versa w/ 800 haaste and haste barely rates higher than vers

[limber lion]

Downtime is inevitable.

Unless you're running BFA levels of 80% haste

then you're starving

[clever perch]

lul

[hollow vault]

corruption haste pog

[clever perch]

then using outlaw gear (crit + vers) isnt that bad?

i mean, having my crafter gear into crit + vers

[limber lion]

No

Literally does not matter

[clever perch]

nice to know ^^

[somber sparrow]

I macrod my beacon to envenom - and if I don't want to cast it because trash is before a boss, I make sure i'm walking when I use envenom so it doesn't attempt to do the "use" part of the macro. Plus timing is weird anyway since bomb dispenser triggers a 10 second cooldown on beacon, which i have macrod to mutilate.

[subtle tundra]

wth

i swear assa chat is only getting worse by the day

[nocturne hawk]

Downward spiral

[clever perch]

d tier enjoyers

[tacit otter]

right? macroing bomb okey, but macroing beacon is some fried stuff

[tacit charm]

Agreed

[tacit otter]

but if it works for him, go for it. doesnt need to fit everybody right

[storm forum]

this is a public spec discord, we're only here to make fun of people

[spice spire]

It started with a lad named varas

[storm forum]

unless ur name is purple or orange i guess

[subtle tundra]

BACK IN MY DAY

i was telling people assa is playable in high m+

pugging as assa..... all day long...

now i dont even want to start a key as assa

[tacit otter]

dont forget being #1 doomer

good ol' days

[subtle tundra]

that started when i specc'd sub for the first time...

[clever perch]

Exsanguinate or cut to the chase guys?

[tacit charm]

Don’t have enough haste for exsanguinate I don’t think

[steel spire]

Exang

[hollow vault]

check the pins you silly goose

[gusty mirage]

no one does

[storm onyx]

Exsanguinate is a dead talent, its bugged with DM

[tacit charm]

Being me back to BFA haste corruption

[clever perch]

so cut to the chase

[strange python]

How many PIs do I need for exsang to surpass

[gusty mirage]

even with BFA corruptions, exsang is dead

[steel spire]

Cttc op

[hollow vault]

yezzir

[storm forum]

play Kingsbane and play neither

[clever perch]

ping me the pin

[gusty mirage]

how many transforms us into an UHDK?

[clever perch]

where it says

cut to the chase over exsanguinate

[storm onyx]

Do they stack?

[clever perch]

cuz maybe im blind

[limber lion]

Why is this even a consideration

[strange python]

Dunno our uhdk doesn't get PI because the priest is dating the Moonkin.

[storm forum]

the one where it says not to take exang in any circumstance

[limber lion]

Why are you deciding between a talent that you take 100% of the time and a talent that is legit broken and no one should ever play ever?

[gusty mirage]

2nd pin

[clever perch]

yea im blind

ty

[gusty mirage]

np my friend

[nocturne hawk]

[subtle kiln]

[storm onyx]

No you lazy ><

[gusty mirage]

bruh

[static fable]

it worth?

[gusty mirage]

aint no shot you pinged him to be toxic

[subtle kiln]

this surprised you?

[storm onyx]

Oh i was just pulling his leg

didnt mean ill

[storm forum]

this is a public spec discord, if ur name isnt purple or organge you're just here to be toxic

[gusty mirage]

[subtle kiln]

nah. you were toxic

[storm onyx]

:/

[thorn fjord]

I'm here for the boobies

[runic hinge]

I’m here to work on my comedy career

[thorn fjord]

and for @gaunt moat

[gusty mirage]

every day this option becomes so tempting

[storm forum]

only thing more dead than exang

[tacit charm]

YES

[gusty mirage]

[tacit charm]

DO IT

[thorn fjord]

Would have been funny if you misclicked and actually deleted the channel

[tacit charm]

GIVE INTO YOUR HATRED

[gusty mirage]

would it be as funny as this:

[storm forum]

no

[thorn fjord]

That would be unfortunate

[limber lion]

Noo my 100k messages

[storm forum]

thats 38% more funny

[gusty mirage]

dw bb I'd n ever do that to you

plus whispyr would yell at me

[tacit otter]

r1?

[main vessel]

you make this sound like a bad thing

[limber lion]

Like r10 or something lmao there's some nutcases in this discord

[tacit charm]

100k 💀

[gusty mirage]

I'd prefer whispyr ignoring I exist 99% of the time as it is now

[runic hinge]

Oh no

[main vessel]

video call time

[gusty mirage]

is pushing the red X the discord equivalent of "sidebuttoning" a phone call?

[spice spire]

I’ve never had the whispyr call notification

I’m clean

[gusty mirage]

you should look forward to it

if he wants to use voice to speak to you

it's always an interesting time

I was there when he got lost in his own neighborhood

[spice spire]

Should I? I feel like he’s either gonna yell or he’s on an adventure

[gusty mirage]

(long story)

[spice spire]

Ahhh

[storm forum]

why did he call you when he got lost?

[gusty mirage]

no he called me before he got lost

he just happened to get lost during the phone call

[spice spire]

He likes to speak to his friends

He’s a friendly lad

[storm forum]

incredible

[gusty mirage]

@wild lantern can confirm

[balmy condor]

I was 8 blocks away

[gusty mirage]

p.s. jez I hope you feel better

[balmy condor]

Fuck you

You don’t know your neighborhood for 8 blocks

[storm forum]

start introducing that story as whispyr got lost because of you

[gusty mirage]

@main vessel see this is why I prefer it when he ignores me

[spice spire]

When

[gusty mirage]

yes I do, I go walking/jogging 4 times a week in my neighborhood

[wild lantern]

love you too boo

I feel like death

[storm forum]

depends, i know the blocks between me and my old work place like 15 blocks away, no idea about the other direction

[balmy condor]

Okay well stop being athletic or something I bet your booty looking tight

[gusty mirage]

I do got a big ass

[balmy condor]

See you get me, I walked the other direction for fun

And then I hit a major road

At 11:45 at night

And it was dark and I couldn’t read signs

And I was like

Uh

[spice spire]

At least it wasn’t 4 am

That’s a different adventure

[storm forum]

ok this is sounding more and more like you wanted to die and oxi saved ur life

[main vessel]

If I go 15 blocks from my apartment, I'm gonna get robbed

[gusty mirage]

he needed to ask for my advice, even I'm asleep at 4am his time

[storm onyx]

btw, is NoTricks gone?

[spice spire]

I’m awake

[gusty mirage]

@hollow river

[spice spire]

No he’s a pvp lad

[balmy condor]

Nah, he just lives in pvp

We exiled promoted him to taking care of pvp

[gusty mirage]

what an unfortunate existence that is

and to his credit

pvp has had less filter hits than outlaw and sub this year

[balmy condor]

True

[gusty mirage]

like they're actually helpful over there now

y'all should be ashamed of yourselves

getting out classed by a bunch of pvpers

[balmy condor]

I’m gonna get lost in my neighborhood again

[runic hinge]

I got 1800 in week 2 of season 1 and I haven’t pvp’ed since

[thorn fjord]

Theyre the ones truly enjoying the game tbh

[gusty mirage]

I take it you've played exactly 0 pvp this expansion

[spice spire]

[thorn fjord]

Solid take

[prisma carbon]

i love sitting in queue simulator

[wary ice]

You mean queueing for keys?

[gusty mirage]

yeah they seem to be having a blast

[wary ice]

Honestly tho

[thorn fjord]

🤣

[wary ice]

Remove ret pallies

[main vessel]

remove wow

[gusty mirage]

god you're so hot when you speak the truth

[storm onyx]

Nono if WoW is gone, it means i go back EQ, that I am not sure I can muster

[clever perch]

hm guys

this is weird

[subtle tundra]

DISPENSADOR

I WANT DISPENSADOR

[clever perch]

irideus >>> dice

[limber lion]

What's weird

[clever perch]

right?

[limber lion]

Holy

No

My guy'

Please

The pins

Please

You can do it

[clever perch]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/1cetx13c14ca628EPHhcTR

[limber lion]

PLEASE

READ THE PINS

[clever perch]

bruh but thats what bloodmallet says

D:

[limber lion]

This is like the 3rd time

[gray crest]

bruh

pins

[clever perch]

yeye

[limber lion]

ASDLJKSDG

[clever perch]

is oversimming

[limber lion]

R EAD THE PINS

[gusty mirage]

shut up fed

[gray crest]

one button solves this conversation

[clever perch]

aight

[gusty mirage]

@gray crest O/U 200 pulls for kirby?

for zskarn

[limber lion]

Literally the 3rd or 4th time you ask a pinned question

Take 5 minutes and read the pins

[clever perch]

bro i just asked 2 questions

[limber lion]

You'll save yourself and everyone else so much trouble

[clever perch]

xD

[gray crest]

hmmm

[clever perch]

but it says its oversimming

according to raidbots is not

oversimming

[limber lion]

???????????????????????????

?????????????????????????

??????????????????????????

??????????????????????????

[clever perch]

harlan's dice is simming higher

[limber lion]

??????????????????????????

[gray crest]

had to look them up just now. and i think itll be over 200

[clever perch]

than my iridious fragment

441

it only "oversims" in bloodmallet

[gray crest]

how does raidbots get those numbers? hmm

[clever perch]

im actually saying

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/1cetx13c14ca628EPHhcTR

harlan's dice simming higher than iridius

so the oversimming problem is prolly solved

[clever perch]

did i say something weird? xD

[spice surge]

Oversimming means it sims better than it is ingame

Not that its necessarily always the best trinket

[limber lion]

Bloodmallet and Raidbots both pull from the same Simulationcraft code and module

[gusty mirage]

#assassination message this will explain why things on BM will appear dif than your personal sims w/ trinkets

[spice surge]

But also, youre simming 6 minutes instead of the regular 5 minutes for some reason

[clever perch]

yea cuz im simming for st mythic raid

[balmy condor]

6 min is going to devalue fragment

[clever perch]

ok this makes sense

[clever perch]

lemme sim 5 min to check if it is still oversimming

[limber lion]

It is

[balmy condor]

What

It is

[limber lion]

?

Literally what

Have you not read anything we've said

Do I have to refer to the pins again

Literally the first sentence of the first pin?

[subtle tundra]

classic assa reading comprehension

[signal badger]

Y’all can read?

[clever perch]

ceverion calm down

[balmy condor]

I can’t

Do we have nerds in our midst

Or what

[clever perch]

just checking if its fixed or its not yet

xD

[balmy condor]

The pin will update

[nocturne hawk]

[balmy condor]

When it’s fixed

[limber lion]

There's literally 2 theorycrafters telling you that it's not fixed

And that the pins will get updated when it gets fixed

[subtle tundra]

Crazy? I was crazy once. They locked me in a room. A rubber room. A rubber room with rats. And rats make me crazy.

[limber lion]

And why the sim is not favoring fragment for you

[clever perch]

yea

[limber lion]

Idk man

[clever perch]

that probably is right

harlans dice simming higher bcs of 6 min instead 5

[balmy condor]

Crazy? Crazy? Crazy? Crazy? Crazy? Crazy? Crazy? Crazy? Crazy? Crazy? Crazy? Crazy? Crazy? Crazy? Crazy? Crazy?

[clever perch]

thats why i was asking

[subtle tundra]

Crazy? I was crazy once. They locked me in a room. A rubber room. A rubber room with rats. And rats make me crazy.

[clever perch]

didnt realize 6 min was problem xD

[subtle tundra]

yes kill timers matter on cooldown based things

Crazy? I was crazy once. They locked me in a room. A rubber room. A rubber room with rats. And rats make me crazy.

[signal badger]

I think being in this discord means your a nerd

[balmy condor]

Important to know what you’re simming and the implications

[clever perch]

ceverion what was the last time u had sex, i offer myself

[subtle tundra]

last night with me

Crazy? I was crazy once. They locked me in a room. A rubber room. A rubber room with rats. And rats make me crazy.

[clever perch]

i might not be able to read pins but im rly good at bed

master of sleeping

[nocturne hawk]

I think you might oversim there as well

[limber lion]

This discord fucks me every day

[clever perch]

nah not ever simming with flask

[hollow vault]

Crazy? I was crazy once. They locked me in a room. A rubber room. A rubber room with rats. And rats make me crazy.

[desert pasture]

@balmy condor how do you think bone spike vs sepsis fairs on a boss like sark where you're kinda forced to use spesis as a 2min cd

at least for the first few uses

[balmy condor]

Sepsis better

[desert pasture]

kk

[balmy condor]

You just burn the vanish after opener

So you maintain the same uptime

[devout mirage]

I have a question.
I'm looking at some logs and I notice that vanish usage is only 1 per 4 minute fight. Is there any reason or use of vanish in pre pull?

[desert pasture]

okay so try and use that first vanish when the empowered sepsis garrote is falling off?

[balmy condor]

Ye

[desert pasture]

ty sir

[balmy condor]

Nope, most people will hold for the 2 min Deathmark

[devout mirage]

but in the first deathmark you can use vanish and get 5cp per garrote

and then go back to the 2 minute deathmark

[balmy condor]

Yeh you could do that if you time it perfectly

And it would be 0 dps from the garrotes

And just getting 5cp on gcd isn’t worth shit

So

Pressing garrote and getting 5cp + 0 damage on the gcd

Or pressing mutilate and getting 3-4cp and mutilate damage and a good chance at 4 poison procs

[devout mirage]

so sepsi's garrote is stronger than vanish's garrote?

[balmy condor]

No, they’re the same

[burnt latch]

@limber lion when last time haev i offer u bongdong

[hollow vault]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hVM3vib6rL1tYuLJogHszd

toxic booties pog

[limber lion]

yes bingobongo

[hollow river]

[subtle tundra]

Crazy? I was crazy once. They locked me in a room. A rubber room. A rubber room with rats. And rats make me crazy.

[cinder bone]

What's the opener for the m+ AP build?

[balmy condor]

10.1 News Roundup
If you're new to assassination or confused, here's a rapid fire of things that happened and changed throughout the patch:

• Toxic Boots are better than slimy in all situations
• THIS WILL UPDATE IF IT SIMS PROPERLY, IT IS STILL NOT SIMMING PROPERLY Irideus fragment is oversimming by about 18%. This kills the trinket pretty much and you'd only really use it if you have nothing else. It is still oversimming, I suggest just not considering it
• Exsang -> Deathmark is bugged and the duplicated dots aren't getting sped up anymore. This is simming properly, and kills exsang in all content. Use MA in keys to maintain iron wire, and a sepsis no-exsang build in raid
• Onyx Ring should be able to be replaced quickly now after nerfs. Eranog ring still hanging on for some people with bomb dispenser, but with good enough gear it shouldn't take long.
• The aura buffs didn't really change our balance much, but it did make some trinkets gain/lose value. Hourglass (mega dungeon) > Bomb > nelth >= dice = beacon = chromatic > fragment now. Beacon can RNG crit, nelth can RNG proc, they're both pretty rough in those regards, so Hourglass and dice are considered the safe consistent picks typically. For chromatic make sure your raid has all the buffs covered. You will then either want haste or mastery usually
• Spark usage so far has been Dagger -> Boots (toxic thorn) -> Toxic Patch (on wrists typically, helmet/chest can be okay situationally) -> Ring. Next sparks will probably be some mix of low ilvl slots you still have, a second dagger if you don't have nick of time, or a neck.
• Catalyst is out. We like all of our tier slots, but Chest has the worst secondaries in general. It is however the highest stat budget slot so raw stat = good if needed

And then the build things that have happened:

• Sepsis > Sbs in raids. On All fights. If you need a quick TLDR

• The most important thing to note here is timing your improved garrotes. Easiest way to do that is

• Sepsis on Cooldown. You will get a buff on cast, use this to empower garrote. On expiration, you will get a second buff. Hold onto that as long as possible in order to extend the garrote for longer. A lot of people recommend https://wago.io/Lgy47ma7G as a standalone tracker.

• On pull you do not vanish, your 2 min deathmark will have sepsis + vanish, your 4 min will have vanish, your 6 min will repeat the opener

• Depending on your kill time or boss transitions, using vanish after the sepsis garrotes fade in your opener, and then hold onto sepsis for 7-8 seconds in order to fully cover the 2 min deathmark. Do this on Mythic Nelth and Sark

• The second most important thing is all the other random things like usage of the buff and shiv

• You play with 2 charges of shiv. Always prevent yourself from capping on 2 charges

• You will want to hold 1 charge for sepsis and deathmark. This means sepsis at 1:30 should have a shiv, and deathmark at 2 min should have a shiv, as well as the sepsis at 3:00, the deathmark at 4:00. You will hold for these, always.

• The sepsis buff is not consumed by blindside procs, but they will be consumed by regular ambush casts. If you're using a stealth bar (or some sort of macro) to turn your mutilate into ambush, you need to get rid of it.

• You always use the buff on garrote, first buff is to empower, seecond is held

• Mythic+ Stuff

• I don't really agree with the AP/IC build much. It is better in AoE, and we did recommend it in season 1, but there was a lot of backlash during that time because the single target is so trash

• For AP/IC Use Cold blood on shiv in aoe, envenom in single target

• If you have poison bomb talented, spamming envenom during the 4 piece bonus can be better AoE, but make sure that your poison bomb can actually hit all the targets, as it is fairly small

I'm running out of characters hope it helps love you ping me with questions thanks bye

[subtle tundra]

Crazy? I was crazy once. They locked me in a room. A rubber room. A rubber room with rats. And rats make me crazy.

[balmy condor]

Maplestory time

smilers

[spice spire]

[eager solstice]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[gaunt moat]

@balmy condor
The sepsis buff is not consumed by blindside procs, but they will be consumed by regular ambush casts. If you're using a stealth bar (or some sort of macro) to turn your mutilate into ambush, you need to get rid of it.

omg. so that's the reason I was losing my buff?
I was losing my mind about why it kept happening. But it's also not consistent, most of the time I can ambush with sepsis buff up and it's fine.
I have a macro for mut, with a shift modifier for ambush.
I have it both on my regular bar and stealth bar.

So i'm still not 100% when is it a problem

[true pelican]

does current sin have funnel in ST build and if so at how many targets is it worth?

[storm onyx]

We FoK at 3 targets instead of Mutilate, Funnel is not as strong as Sub but arguably we have it

[true pelican]

fok on 3 is just for overall damage right?

not funnel

[clever sapphire]

whispyr may not agree on the best dungeon build, but he still says how to play it, bless his pure poisonous soul

[storm onyx]

For Cp generation

[clever sapphire]

probably you get an ambush proc sometimes the same time as sepsis procs

[storm onyx]

Is more efficient yea

[clever sapphire]

it always uses the blindside proc before the sepsis one

[cinder bone]

Gotta pad those trash pack meters on fort weeks

[gaunt moat]

Not sure what you mean by that. The sepsis is consumed, it didn't expire

[clever sapphire]

ah thought you meant sometimes it uses the sepsis proc and sometimes it doesnt

[sick aspen]

" your 2 min deathmark will have sepsis + vanish" could someone clarify this a little bit? Does that mean.. your 2nd sepsis's 2nd garrote will go into your 2m deathmark where it will expire partway through DM and we should vanish-garrote to pandemic extend that sepsis garrote?

[clever sapphire]

exactly

[true pelican]

hmm I just checked apl and it looks like you never press fok for funnel

[spice spire]

[gaunt moat]

That's what i meant. at least, i think that's what causing it. i'm not 100%. maybe i minsunderstood what he wrote.
but like, sometimes i just lose sepsis buff and i'm not sure why

[clever sapphire]

im gonna leave that problem up to someone else, im not confident enough to answer it xD

[storm onyx]

Would it be spent if you for example press Sap in fight by accident, but there is no possible target for it even?

Fisrt time i read i thought you might be getting accidential double presses, but that would be spottable

[storm onyx]

Not sure of the Apl, we do fok at 3 targets

[runic hinge]

I like the build cause it has zoldy

[sweet dawn]

Do we hold the sepsis we get at 1:30 for DM or does the empowered garrote last long enough to last through DM

[hollow vault]

this @sweet dawn

[sweet dawn]

oh shi I am blind

ty

[rare heron]

hi all, if i got 4cp if worth spend it or get 6cp and then spend? and any cap for mastery and crit?

[balmy condor]

spend on

5

[restive falcon]

with opener of Opener is Gar - Slice - Muti to 5-6CP - Rupture - Beacon - Sepsis - DM - Shiv - ER - Envenom

when do u bomb/beacon now that i got bomb just now

[thorn fjord]

You can Gar-Slice-ER-Rupture-beacon

You'll want to send beacon before bomb... I have bomb macro'd to Mutilate

[restive falcon]

ik i saw people talk about macroing bomb and such but i never really paid attention to it until i got bomb and not that i got bomb i am curious of when to use in opener

[thorn fjord]

Tbh the play is to macro it so Mutilate

And forget it exists

[restive falcon]

hmm if so i would have to adjust my opener than

[thorn fjord]

Slight adjustment

But its more optimal to open with the Gar-slice-ER-Rupture-Sepsis-DM-Shiv-gogogogo

[spare flame]

Does anyone have some simple weakaura that tracks improved garrotes? I have a sepsis weakaura but with the chaos of the fight i have a hard time remember if I should let my garrote tick down or not

[thorn fjord]

@spare flame Notters sepsis WA?

[lethal mortar]

does anyone have a weakaura to tell me when my dad will come home from the store getting cigarettes it's been 28 years

[thorn fjord]

he's never coming back 😦

[lethal mortar]

D"

D:

[spare flame]

that one basically does the same as what I have. I just need something that lights up if the target has an improved garrote on it or not

[thorn fjord]

Dunno its not too hard to keep track of... I use Afenars rogue WA and notters and tracking the imp garrote isnt too hard

Like your first gar is imp and you refresh with the sepsis gar after so thats another then you refresh with a third

basically it

Same when your sepsis cd is back up into vanish/ 2nd dm

[runic hinge]

Luxthos wa pack has it if you wanna pull from there

[spare flame]

But theres points during the fight where you run out of improved garrote and have to relace it with sstandard

its minor i admit

I just have nothing that indicates that an improved garrote is applied over a regular one

[balmy drum]

Any recommendations for stat weight checking?

[gusty mirage]

highest ilvl

[balmy condor]

top gear

[thorn fjord]

pog a top 10

Tell me im not trash daddy @gusty mirage

jk i know im trash

[thin scroll]

Got a 95-97 on heroic echo this Tuesday and it made my week even thought it was only cause I got lucky with poison bomb in p3

[keen spruce]

I’m drinkin this whole bottle before this wedding

[versed mica]

@balmy condor pins says you don't recommend the aoe build due to st loss, so I'm assuming it's the build right after it in faq, but faq builds still using exang. Exang still good in m+?

[versed mica]

Master ass? Kk

[balmy condor]

yeh

shit talent

but only way to get to iron wire

[versed mica]

You could say the talent is

Master ASS

@balmy condor sorry one more question:
Is tea used differently in m+? Seeing how bleed = no energy starvation?

[balmy condor]

nope, same rules

if you're gonna overcap, use for mastery, if you're not going to overcap use for energy

[versed mica]

And is it still worth putting bleeds on everything? Poison bomb seems good

[balmy condor]

it's never been worth putting bleeds on everything

you put bleeds on stuff to get enough energy to spam ct/pb

[gilded burrow]

what’s pb?

[spice spire]

Poison bomb (envenom)

[versed mica]

CT spam is a thing now?

[honest silo]

No, what it means is you put up bleeds to get energy so you are only using cp on envenom and CT

Not that you're spamming CT constantly

[tacit otter]

he talks about the ap build where you spam ct

[honest silo]

Ah my bad

[tacit otter]

maybe youre right and im wrong, but thats how i understood it

[versed mica]

Okay, so only spam CT if you are talented into ap

If Paul is correct

[tacit otter]

more if youre not talented into pb (+ other envenom enhance talents)

[balmy condor]

you're both right

you spam CT with AP build because it doesn't have poison bomb

you spam envenom during tier set bonus with regular build because it has poison bomb, and out of the tier bonus you can do either ct or envenom

"spam" in this situation is just you have bleeds on all the important targets and you have enough energy to where you can fill every gcd without starving

[versed mica]

There a typical cap for that, or is it dependant on gear?

[craggy oak]

It was 5 bleeds, unsure if that rule still stands

[versed mica]

5 bleeds?

[balmy condor]

ye it's 5 or 6

[tall atlas]

Do we do log reviews here

[balmy condor]

rarely

[tall atlas]

Damn

!log

[prisma monolith]

Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage

Link: https://wowanalyzer.com/

[tall atlas]

Does that work

For sim

Sin

[limber lion]

That's what the command says

[tall atlas]

Oh yah

Thank you captain

https://wowanalyzer.com/report/AJmaHYTVdv9Mw8fD/2-Mythic+Kazzara,+the+Hellforged+-+Kill+(4:45)/Ovíd/standard/timeline

If any of you wanna rip me apart I know I died and I’m sure I fucked up a sepsis somewhere

[proper tapir]

Did you ever find a way to get DTB to sim higher than AP in Dslice?

[balmy condor]

with the first stuff yeah

I haven't checked the second stuff yet

[main vessel]

still no sepsis in WoWA

[proper tapir]

Okay, wellll AP sims higher then until someone can take a comparable profile higher using DTB. AP LOVERS, WE HAVE THE SIM ON OUR SIDE... FIGHT THE POWER! Okay but really I love you all, I don't care what you play.

[balmy condor]

your stuff from 6/8 was built on top of your stuff from earlier?

cause like

[proper tapir]

Yes sir

[balmy condor]

most of the work I've had to do from the 6/1 stuff

was deadass just deleting lines you added

that didn't do anything

aight

[gray hazel]

Damn, the toxic boots are not much difference compared to the slimey ones

[balmy condor]

I'll have to check stuff again then

[blazing jewel]

they sim almost 1k for me

[gray hazel]

thats kinda nuts actually.

[limber lion]

Do a gem/enchant sim with it

[proper tapir]

I had to work in the confines of the current APL man. Crazy how a bunch of "lines that don't do anything" gives better outputs for DTB and AP than whatever was currently in !Whispyr dslice

[storm forum]

@balmy condor thanks for the essay in the pin. What color is your favorite tie?

[gray hazel]

how do i do that on gear compare?

[limber lion]

Just take the Toxic Thorn ID and slap it into Top Gear

[balmy condor]

I'm not saying that your outputs aren't better, I'm saying that some of your logic just actually didn't do anything, I managed to find a sim laying around rom 6/2 when I was looking at it and isolating changes

and it was a lot of this

[tall atlas]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[balmy condor]

builds fine, changes are fine

it's just

a lot to work through

75% of the APL is just exsang conditions

kinda fucking hate it

[limber lion]

Exsang and sync logics

[balmy condor]

I remember when we had to have lines for trinkets based on if they were haste on use or other stat on use

cause exsang fucked it over so bad

[vapid sierra]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[proper tapir]

Make sure to check against DTB in dslice and patchwerk too, I had to add lines for reconciliation of other builds. It may be zero gain for AP but a gain for DTB, which would be a good line to keep not just delete without a full characterization 😉.

[balmy condor]

I did

[proper tapir]

Okay are the updates in latest/nightly/weekly?

[balmy condor]

no, because I haven't checked the 6/8 stuff like I mentioned earlier

[proper tapir]

Oh okay. So if these beautiful people wanted to sim dslice to see the gains themselves, then they'd need to run a custom APL from #1065730164077645916 message right?

[balmy condor]

if they want to include the changes, they would have to add it to the custom apl correct

base raidbots won't reflect it

[proper tapir]

Cool cool, and one last thing for you, Mr. @balmy condor, have a great night bro!

[balmy condor]

you too man

[cerulean nest]

anyone have that Sepsis weakaura

I think it was Notter?

[balmy condor]

it's linked in the pin

[cerulean nest]

ty

didnt see a new one

rashok hits kinda hard eh?

[balmy condor]

yepge

healer check

and then they figure it out

and it's a raid check

to see if people can not eat lava

[gaunt moat]

It's a good boss, pushes you to improve

[balmy condor]

rashok best boss in the raid

well telegraphed, easy to understand

but it punishes you for fucking up

it's good shit

[gaunt moat]

And you need everyone at around 110k dps

Our issue was we had decent DPS, but at last phase, people were panicking and DPS plummeted

[balmy condor]

yeh last phase has a lot of shit going on

[pure moth]

We just hit that phase and died almost instantly lol

[gusty mirage]

feint is your best friend on those leaps

[pure moth]

i didnt die.. alot of others did though haha

but yeah feint is for sure our best friend

[balmy condor]

can also cloak the second soak in the last phase

that way you don't have the giga dot either

[pure moth]

not a bad idea

[solid mica]

is there anything on magama that atrophic doesn't apply to?

[lavish whale]

someone know the difference between slimy and toxic? curious to know

[limber lion]

The difference?

Toxic deal more damage

Slime deal less damage

therefore toxic better

[cerulean nest]

getting a leap on rashok ruins the flow man

[gaunt moat]

you can shadowstep him while he is mid-air

and you'll avoid the fire, and keep uptime

[balmy condor]

ackthuaklylly

[lavish whale]

I dont play assa only, I was wondering how big is the difference

[balmy condor]

they do the same amount of damage, but the haste loss from slimy is worse than the heal procs eating the damage procs on toxic

[balmy condor]

depends on each person tbh

toxic usually anywhere from like 150-400 better

[lavish whale]

dps?

thats pretty small, good to know

ty whisp

[balmy condor]

np

sim yourself

amen