assassination

[earnest remnant]

8 min later its gone

cba

[gusty mirage]

just come over

I'll turn on the air conditioning for you

[earnest remnant]

my room is so cursed during the summer

[frigid kestrel]

I legit just got finish cutting my ice, and the first thing I see when I got to lurk is about ice

[earnest remnant]

entire wall which is just glass pannels with curtains, which is where the sun shines in during the day

[gusty mirage]

I'm chillin rn

[frigid kestrel]

I think that’s a sign for me to make a drink

[gusty mirage]

you need blackout curtains

to keep out the sun

[earnest remnant]

i do

but my room turns into an oven

but when you have like 8 meters of just glass, where the sun just hits for like 10 hours straight

only so much you can do

[gusty mirage]

I'm just going to let yall know I offered stealthi an opportunity for air conditioning

and he ignored it

[earnest remnant]

u gonna pay the plane ticket?

[gusty mirage]

of course

[dark token]

anyone have that cool sepsis WA with blue lines

[woeful meteor]

@gaunt moat

[gusty mirage]

@gaunt moat

[woeful meteor]

someone wants your sepsis WA

[earnest remnant]

[woeful meteor]

great minds think alike

[gusty mirage]

https://wago.io/Lgy47ma7G

[dark token]

tyty

[gusty mirage]

if you google notter sepsis wago

thats the first result

notter is famous now

[dark token]

i just didnt know who has it

[gaunt moat]

*Again

[brazen zodiac]

so r u c:

💃

[gusty mirage]

no u

[gaunt moat]

need to reach this again

too bad that's more than wow playerbase now

and those were only rogues lol

[gusty mirage]

that's more stars than people playing assassination now too

[gaunt moat]

It's sad cause it's true

[vague widget]

Make them think it's for D4.

[whole girder]

when simming in quick sim - patchwerk, does it take into account an exec phase ?

[primal jolt]

any embelishments i should put on my dagger?

for craft

[woeful meteor]

yes patchwerk is 100 to 0

[whole girder]

oh ok

[primal jolt]

i raid a lot was thinking of the food buff?

[gusty mirage]

flavor pocket so you never lose your food buff

especially good for keys

[primal jolt]

yep knew it

[whole girder]

that's why i'm always behind the sim despite doing the same rotation

[primal jolt]

should i use it on my dagger or something else instead

[whole girder]

and that they have much more blindside proc 😁

[woeful meteor]

theres target dummy sim as an option

[gusty mirage]

eventually you'll want to craft toxic thorn boots + a LWing item w/ the toxic patch

so you don't really have much else you would craft on the dagger

plus you'll always use that dagger

so you'll always have the food buff

[primal jolt]

it feels weird putting the food buff on my dagger lol

since well i can

is crit mastery still best stat

i havent played in a while

[spice spire]

Stats will fluctuate but largely, yes

[gusty mirage]

stat prio will be Crit > Mastery >= Haste > Vers

as a generalization

[storm forum]

Crit + Haste to commit to never playing the other specs

[primal jolt]

i love haste on assasination

[frozen gorge]

!Whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[vapid sierra]

is it normal to run numbing over atrophic on expirements?

[pulsar dirge]

no double rogue??

[gusty mirage]

makes sense because most of the damage that goes out in that fight doesn't come from the actual boss

so atrophic does nothing

[vapid sierra]

no

other rogue was a dick and told rl to feed him loot or he'd leave

[keen spruce]

atrophic works on boss spells tho right?

[vapid sierra]

yeah but its probavly better to have less mechanics going out

'since its alot of raid wide damage

like oxi said

[gusty mirage]

imagine playing a rogue and trying to strong arm a raid leader

in 2023

[vapid sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/skeleton-spin-fan-rope-gif-25248314

[gusty mirage]

"If you don't feed me loot I'll take my slightly better than tank damage ELSEWHERE"

[vapid sierra]

he was big pumping tho

he was like 440 ilvl week 1

[gusty mirage]

yeah then everyone else got gear

lmao

[vapid sierra]

i was competing on sin

with puzzle box

playing exsang

and then i learnt sub while we were progging sark like mid sark prog i had the opener on my phone

and was out dpsing him

im not even good at sub and im a medicore roguebut like its a lil sadge

[strange python]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[strange python]

is mastery vers really this close? seems crazy https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/g2GS6b6kme7Q7TqAchyEva

[limber lion]

Yes

Nothing crazy about it

[strange python]

feels good, dont need to recrafty

[vapid sierra]

so like what do you guys do for zaqali in terms of cd's?

only done the fight on sub

send vanish on adds after ic? or should i hold it for the boss dm

we drop exsang for ip on aoe rightr?

[royal lantern]

honestly, i dont play assa on that fight

should probably not bother with AoE and just ST the shield guy/boss down

[gusty mirage]

you just afk while the real classes do real aoe

[runic hinge]

I have only done it on heroic and I play ap+dtb

[royal lantern]

like, its the 1 fight in the raid where i do the HIGH SKILL storm->powder gameplay

[gusty mirage]

nah man play is go full ST, all healers swap DPS

[royal lantern]

and enjoy my #1 dps spot

[gusty mirage]

and you lust and force him into p2

instantly

[royal lantern]

for beeing so skilled and playing a highly functional spec

🙂

[runic hinge]

Yeah I tried convincing my guild to do that and it doesn’t happen

[royal lantern]

then they are stupid

why not take the 40sec kill lol

[pseudo hamlet]

Just M+ spec and IC+Vanish+ Garrote -> ER -> Rupture

[runic hinge]

They see add fight and everyone switches to aoe spec and we get him to 40 something % in p1 and then take 3 platforms to get him to 25 like god intended.

[pseudo hamlet]

Don't think you need anything special on that fight. Anyway - don't play Exsang, like at all, nowhere, even in ST because it's bugged and it sucks.
@vapid sierra

[gusty mirage]

bro why is everyone griefing you

[runic hinge]

I’m annoyed but I can’t convince them otherwise

Our warlock who rips 400k openers is below me in p1 and I just wanna smack him through his computer for going to aoe spec

[cerulean nest]

think Im gonna give sin a decent try this week with new buffs

this sepsis essay is a trip lol

feel like I'll need to be staring at the fight timer the whole time lol

[vapid sierra]

why?

its not bad, you just hold 1 shiv charge for it and send it on cooldown

[vapid sierra]

yeah ik

was just double checking why we drop for it

since faq wasnt updated

[tacit otter]

its in the pins

[vapid sierra]

it doesnt say what to drop

unless im blind

nvm i see it

[cerulean nest]

more the improved garrotes than sepsis

[vapid sierra]

oh shit

i gotchu

i fucking gotchu

https://wago.io/a4RNXiGN8

[cerulean nest]

lol

[vapid sierra]

its whispyrs

the green dot on the garrote part of the wa means its improved garrote

[cerulean nest]

oh yeah I mean im not worried about knowing when its up/not up

just about making sure its being optimized

I use luxthos and im pretty sure it tracks that as well, at least it did last tier

[limber lion]

Luxthos is the best package in terms of actual tracking and QoL

Most of us use Luxthos Garrote (and Sepsis) weak auras because they're so good

[cerulean nest]

yeah used it for two expansions now, really like it

[limber lion]

Whispyr does as well, it's just Afenar + Luxthos

Luxthos is just super ugly to me, I can't stand it

But the functionality is the best you can get

So I just yoink what I want from the package and slap em on my UI

[cerulean nest]

i do some Masque reskinning to make it look a little nicer

but I also like the way it tracks defensives and things and lets you customize the little side columns

and hes been pretty responsive about making changes to it (updated it for me in SL when the ER combo points werent showing up properly)

[limber lion]

Yeah it's very customizable for sure

[vapid sierra]

same

[cerulean nest]

either way if it properly tracks everything and you're used to it it doesnt make a difference really

[vapid sierra]

thats why i always run afneras but then a modified version for the qol

[cerulean nest]

idk how people like JPC use stock stuff

[vapid sierra]

^

one of my friend uses stocks and clicks on outlaw

and does good damage

[cerulean nest]

its wild

[vapid sierra]

and im out here optimizing all my keybinds so i can always be on wasd and not have to spam a akward keybind lmao

[woeful meteor]

I mean you dont need much UI wise people overthink that a lot imo

[vapid sierra]

you just need to be able to take in information

[woeful meteor]

James Keybinds are cursed af tho

[vapid sierra]

really quickly

[vapid sierra]

what are they>?

[woeful meteor]

zx strafe no back and forward only with left and rightclick same time

[vapid sierra]

BRO WAHT

[cerulean nest]

idk why people unbind backward. the amount of times ive pressed S for a milisecond to just back out of a swirly

[vapid sierra]

^

there are mine

[woeful meteor]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1060288992794394774/1060319819481759826/Sin.png

[vapid sierra]

here rupture

and builder

where

[balmy condor]

Jpc macro looking ass

[vapid sierra]

and mutilate

i got mine on mouse buttons since you click them a shit load

thoe are respectable tho

[woeful meteor]

that are his his macros

[balmy condor]

He macro’s showtooltip

On top of everything

[cerulean nest]

i dont use any mouse buttons

except interrupt

[balmy condor]

So it hides useless ones

[woeful meteor]

macro name in the picture are the spells

[balmy condor]

Yeh

[runic hinge]

Yeah his setup is wild

I have no idea what he’s pressing half the time

[vapid sierra]

2 on vanish is nice

[woeful meteor]

vanish is r 2 is cheap shot

[vapid sierra]

oh

not using was is crazy tho

r always is my interrupt

close to wasd

[woeful meteor]

idk how you can click 123 tho while running with zx

[limber lion]

Everything else varies, but shadowstep-esque abilities always on R and interrupt on F

In every game

[limber lion]

You don't really press zx honestly

[vapid sierra]

maybe he thumbs it

[limber lion]

You rarely need to strafe if you're holding down rclick and lclick already

Probably does use his thumb yeah

[primal jolt]

slimy boots vs toxic boots?

[spice spire]

I do zx with my pointer

[primal jolt]

i see a lot of slimy boots

[limber lion]

Toxic

[spice spire]

Toxic

[primal jolt]

on murlok

[limber lion]

Slimy bad

[primal jolt]

why slimy bad

[limber lion]

used to oversim

[spice spire]

Slimy was figured out to have downsides after most people learned about it

[limber lion]

so everyone made them

then we find out about it

and fixed it

now toxic better

:)

[keen spruce]

but we don't have sparks so we don't fix yet

[spice spire]

It’s slightly worse - they both oversim. But toxic is better in practice

Yeah

[keen spruce]

🙂

[woeful meteor]

True I guess tbf I also get confused how I can click 1 while pressing a and w, but it just happens and I cant replicate it while thinking about it

[limber lion]

Used to oversim*

They both sim properly now

[spice spire]

Toxic sims properly?

[limber lion]

Yes

[spice spire]

I thought it still munched on some non constant procs still, I know stuff like recup was fixed

[cerulean nest]

so which sim is the most up to date

[limber lion]

I mean it does that in-game

[cerulean nest]

whispyrs sheet?

[limber lion]

But sim has been fixed according to fuu

[vapid sierra]

quite a respectable name

do you need my wifi password?

[limber lion]

Yeah Whispyr's sheet is up to date

[vapid sierra]

i like to accomodate my guests

[cerulean nest]

kk

[limber lion]

Non-exsang is what you want to go for

[cerulean nest]

yup

thank god btw

I've been on sub since right after the beginning of last tier, haven't missed exsang

[gaunt moat]

@limber lion You're a good teacher
We just killed Rashok.

(126k)

[proper tapir]

What's the secret sause?

[gaunt moat]

having bad RNG on annulet (did only 2.5m)

[woeful meteor]

big

[gaunt moat]

(Also I'm pretty sure not many assassination rogues killed this boss since sin buff)

But it's my first 100% since legion, so i'm happy

[spice spire]

Only two vanishes

[gaunt moat]

when was i supposed to vanish a 3rd time?

at the opening?

[spice spire]

Or at the end

(End is more the line)

[gaunt moat]

oh yeah, that's cause i used sepsis

so it seemed redundant

[spice spire]

Even if it does like with sepsis. Even on a base level of I press this button and get an envenom.
Haven’t progged the fight on timings, can’t say

[gaunt moat]

The boss died while my garrote was still empowered. it's kinda weird timing since it's at 6:30

[keen spruce]

126 good numba

i think my best was like 122 when we wiped at 7-10%

[gaunt moat]

On a serious note, the adjustments Cevertion suggested for me:

• Make sure to not use shiv instantly after sepsis. instead garrote first. so shiv will be up at the end of sepsis.
• Be more careful with tea usage, i was overcapping energy.
• Don't let garrote drop as often as i had.

other than that, i've also gotten loaded dice (441ilvl) instead of iridius fragment.

[keen spruce]

i'm greedy af with my tea

[gaunt moat]

most pulls I was way lower, at around 105-115k. i dunno why that one was so much better.

[keen spruce]

i try to stretch them to the sepsis leading into my 2nd deathmark cuz that's when yo ualways get super energy starved

yeah i had a lot of random pulls where i was just sitting around there too

idk crit/proc rng

[balmy condor]

yeh looks like you had really good crit/blindside procs

[gaunt moat]

Yeah, it seems like I had a lot more crits on kill. envenom was 48%

[balmy condor]

126 is huge though

[gaunt moat]

comapred to normal pulls where it was at around 38-43%

[spice spire]

Low annulet rng versus crit rng

You pick one

[earnest remnant]

but i want both quake

I WANT BOTH GOD DAMMIT

[gaunt moat]

I can't wait to get rid of annulet

[spice spire]

Impossible

[limber lion]

Congrats, good stuff

[gaunt moat]

We had some major nerd screams

felt good to get him

[austere fulcrum]

What is your crit % with 2 buzzing runes ?

Cuz 48 % is really good

[limber lion]

Who looks at their crit%

[austere fulcrum]

Gz on kill btw 😄

[gaunt moat]

uh, I think it's like 42%? i'm at 39% without

[austere fulcrum]

O.o

[austere fulcrum]

I thought that is the only thing we look at 😅

[limber lion]

You could ask me what stats I have and I couldn't tell you

literally doesn't matter

[cunning tartan]

are the 411 trinkets good for assasa?

[austere fulcrum]

I see your point, top gear already puttin 40% or higher i guess so rest is whatever 🙂

[limber lion]

I don't think you do

[austere fulcrum]

I wanted to know cuz almost 50% envenom really nice proc

[limber lion]

You literally should not worry about stats, at all

You never need to know what % your crit, haste, mastery or vers is

never

it's legit useless information

[limber lion]

Which trinkets? Probably not.

If it's not bomb, beacon, neltharion trinket, essence or dice, probs not

[cunning tartan]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jc4swnbdDtw&ab_channel=Harldan
there is a 411 trinket that sims better than beacon apparently

for dh atleast

[deft vault]

not good for us

[gaunt moat]

You've probably never heard of them cause they're bad

[spice spire]

They don’t sim better than beacon.
They hit above their class, looked at them personally early on because our other rogue and warrior ran the rocks but it still wasn’t worth over 415 pb/421 icon

[ashen rover]

[spare flame]

Can anyone give me an insight into why outlaw seems to excel on Mythic Rashok?

It's a good deal ahead of the other specs it seems and I cant think of anything that it brings to account for that difference

[tacit otter]

what was the raidbots input for low fightlenth variance?

[limber lion]

vary_combat_length=

[tacit otter]

whats the measurement for the value?

[limber lion]

By default it's 0.2 which is 20%

so 4-6mins on a 5 min fight

If you don't want any variance, it's 0.

[tacit otter]

percent, i see thank you

[keen spruce]

this video shows it doing less damage than beacon when beacon went 0/3 on crits

[tacit otter]

has to go in the header i assume, or?

[limber lion]

yes

[runic hinge]

Have you thought about asking the outlaw channel? They might have more of an idea

[keen spruce]

they like vers and their beacons are hitting for 1.7m crits

also very low sample size for assas and outlaw

well not very low

[spare flame]

shit thats it isnt it

[keen spruce]

but kinda low

only 100 outlaw parses last time i checked

and like 80-something assas

[limber lion]

Both around 100

But yeah the statistic page ain't necessarily the best thing to go off

Like if you just look at the rankings, it's mainly sub

But Sub has like 8 or 9 times the amount of players

so there's equally as many bad subs in the pot

Could honestly play any of the 3 specs and do fine, they're all within like 5k of each other

[spice surge]

Rogue specs are pretty well balanced now

[keen spruce]

and if you filter down to 95th percentile or something

[spice surge]

Surprisingly well balanced even

[keen spruce]

you're only lookin at like 5 dank pirates

[limber lion]

Looks like 6 dank pirates

compared to 44 sub rogues

spread of 122k to 133k for sub, whereas it's 126k to 131k for outlaw

[somber sparrow]

do you believe every spec of rogue benefits from windfury totem equally or would you say certain specs get greater benefit

[oak pivot]

What is up with unholy dks. They’re always meta even when they’re like b-c tier on tier lists.

[spice surge]

I mean thats not really something to have an opinion about, its just sub

Theres no arguing

[craggy oak]

becasue tier lists suck ass and sshould not be taken seriously

[gusty mirage]

[ashen rover]

[tacit otter]

i tried max_length to override fightimer, is that possible in top gear or only in advanced sim?

[limber lion]

It is if you use expert mode

[distant birch]

@tacit otter omw

[tacit otter]

lets go, good progress man

[distant birch]

Boss is dead man

Actually got a lil 60% but not a great fight sadge

[tacit otter]

i couldnt see the html report to check if the timer is right, any way to see that otherwise? when its compiling it says "max_length=390 ignored"

[distant birch]

But yeah, the race continued

I rly like this sepsis build without ex

I hope this build will stay a long time

[gaunt moat]

The opener at least is so much simpler

[distant birch]

It's all about timer

[dark token]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/8F4pgZ2qhykTCXcQ#fight=7&type=damage-done&source=19 yoloing sin in raid any log review

is this the spec

[abstract jacinth]

Does anyone have a weakaura similar to this https://wago.io/spinningcranekick that shows number of targets in combat dotted with crimson tempest, rupture, etc.?

[woeful meteor]

opener plays slightly diff now, not sure if the 17 sec gar was still empowered and vanish is to early

was in aram load screen will look at it after

[abstract jacinth]

Tyty

[limber lion]

He wasn't talking to you

But what use would that weakaura be?

We don't need that information for anything

[tacit otter]

luxthos tracks how many ruptures are applied above the icon iirc. but i see no use in that

[abstract jacinth]

Fair enough, I know that I slack sometimes in multi target situations so thought it might help

[limber lion]

It definitely would not

Just use IC and it dots everyting for you

Don't need to think much

Press garrote on cooldown

Maintain CT

that's it

[tacit otter]

cev if you have time any chance you can reply to this message to you?

[limber lion]

It's max_time

vary_combat_length=0 and max_time=x

not max_length

[tacit otter]

oh i think i mixed it up, that should work ty^^ i even checked the git wiki but i still fucked it yikes

[somber fractal]

Guys I’m starting to think we actually aren’t gonna get the rogue changes in 10.1.5 they said we would

[balmy condor]

changes aren't ready yet I guess

[limber lion]

I personally don't mind, I'm having a good time playing Sepsis

No Exsang, yes Sepsis?

honestly bis timeline

[somber fractal]

Would be cool if they said something like that then. These empty promises followed by radio silence are getting old

[gaunt moat]

i just want some m+ juice

we're fine cause this raid is mostly ST
but in cleave we'll be sad again

[somber fractal]

Also like half of both trees are dead to us

[silk bane]

idk dude i tried some sin in keys and lowkey had a blast! wya more fun than sub! like if youre not taking it too seriously and just doing weekly 20s then sins lowkey a vibe

i just dont like my boss damage in keys but other than that we chillin

[gaunt moat]

ST gameplay wise though, sepsis/no exsang feels good.

[royal lantern]

wdym, thats the rogue special at this point

[silk bane]

#showtooltip Post Fake News
/cast [@wowhead_article] fake news
/cast vanish

rogue special. i kid i kid

[woeful meteor]

Ye all seems fine aside from what I mentionied at the top:

1. Opener is Gar -> SnD -> ER -> Rupture -> Beacon -> Sepsis -> DM -> Shiv ->...
2. You delay the garrote when you get sepsis proc again until the buff is about to run out, nvm you wasted first sepsis proc on an ambush that confused me, dont do that obviously.
3. See First sentence of 2. you insta used second sepsis proc at 1:47
4. Vanish was fine there, if you correctly use 1:30 Sepsis proc it should be half way through dm.

@balmy condor when would you vanish with a 2:40 Kill time, is it just at 2 min

Extending Opener doesnt work since Boss is dead once you get it back anyway

[balmy condor]

you would vanish after the sepsis gar fades in the opener, hold sepsis for about 10 seconds,

better uptime that way

[keen spruce]

so is there a reason we're not pre pulling with beacon besides the sketch factor?

[balmy condor]

because it fucks your vanish

[keen spruce]

oh we're vanishing in the opener again

didn't see that

[balmy condor]

I mean we're not

[keen spruce]

[balmy condor]

but on certain kill times, yes

[keen spruce]

but don't you just sync it back up with DM on the second cast

the way you normally would

er not sync but use it in sepsis pandemic

[balmy condor]

on nelth right

[woeful meteor]

The timings dont add up in my head need to draw a it give me a min

[balmy condor]

you vanish in p1

[ebon notch]

@balmy condor help

[balmy condor]

and then vanish on adds with dm

[keen spruce]

ah

[balmy condor]

on rashok technically

you can move your vanish around

because you have sepsis at 6min

[tall atlas]

Man assa seems to technical

Whis how do you have the brain space for all this

[keen spruce]

yeah i've been pre-baconing on rashok and it feels k

[spice spire]

When he doing shit damage

[balmy condor]

same deal on magmorax if you're not cranking

[spice spire]

You have to maximize ur optimization

Better to think about play over things that matter infinitely less, like optimizing gems

[ebon notch]

how do i stop doing shit damage

[gaunt moat]

On Rashok I synced vanish with DM, so 3rd DM will benefit from vanish.
like whyspir said, you don't use 3rd vanish.

[keen spruce]

i mean most of that stuff is to go from like blue/purple to orange/pink parses

[spice spire]

You play better

[keen spruce]

if you just use your CDs on CD and try to maximize empowered garrotes it's pretty straight forward

[spice spire]

I know you got that dog in you

[tall atlas]

This is an iconic message

[tacit otter]

so you vanish after 4:30 sepsis? any other changes or how would the timeline go?

[ebon notch]

im possible

[keen spruce]

how did you sync it?

vanish garrote on 2nd?

[gaunt moat]

at the 2m DM, you vanish.

[keen spruce]

and just overwrite the sepsis?

[gaunt moat]

yeah, sepsis garrote would be around 10s at that point

[keen spruce]

makes sense

always felt weird

to rip that 3rd dm

in execute

without vanish

[spice spire]

Think of it this way. There are two uptimes for your garrotes, the overall generic uptime which should be as high as possible, and the empowered garrote uptime which you want to maximize, while maintaining that as high as possible uptime during desthmark as well

[gaunt moat]

Especially since it should benefit from Zoldyck's.

[keen spruce]

i take your R1 next saturday

[gaunt moat]

I'll cheer for you

[keen spruce]

are you guys gonna reclear?

[gaunt moat]

Also, dunno how you're doing cloak.
But I use my 1st at the first power-up phase.

nah

[keen spruce]

yeah 1st intermission then some point in p3

[woeful meteor]

@balmy condor Isn't this perfect imp gar coverage just sending everything on CD or did I fail math somewhere
0-15 Opener
15-25 S1.1
25-48 S1.2
48-1:37 normal
1:38-1:56 S2.1
1:56-2:14 S2.2
2:14-2:16 Vanish 1
2:16-2:39 Vanish 2

[balmy condor]

it's just timing your imp garrotes with dm and the fight

it's honestly not that bad

[woeful meteor]

For 2:40 Boss dead

[balmy condor]

yeh probably fine

seems kinda okay

the vanish garrote lengths are a little sus but I assume it's just pandemic nonsense

just make sure it isn't 2:30 next week

[gaunt moat]

I love how whispyr says it's not that technical, and then Tamaran hits us with a ability-by-second breakdown

[tall atlas]

Yeah I just read through the guide again

Seems pretty simple just empower the DM garrotte as mush as you can

Send everything on cd kinda maybe sometimes

[woeful meteor]

Its a HC Kill time I dont plan cds there I just press like a feel at that moment

[balmy condor]

you want to max out your imp gar uptime while also having imp gar for the duration of your deathmark

that's legit the only rule

people are just really bad at thinking about kill times

especially if they come from other classes frist

smash button on cooldown, drool on keyboard, boss dead

is like

the norm for 90% of specs

[proper tapir]

Wtf is vanish 2?

[woeful meteor]

You get 3 sec imp garotte so just press double

[limber lion]

Honestly for that you'd probs want to use Sepsis after DM with the Nature buff

So vanish pre-DM

So you get the Sepsis garrote when garrote hits pandemic

[balmy condor]

you'd run out of time I'd think

[limber lion]

Yeah I guess you'd lose out on 10s of garrydarry

[woeful meteor]

I'll just calc it

[limber lion]

If only you could do the 2.5s Sepsis like in Sepulcher

[woeful meteor]

all this effort for a HC kill time that I'll never get since I'm running this boss in boosts only anyway

[limber lion]

There's not too too much that you can do to optimize fight lengths nowadays

It's all just empowered garrydarrys 24/7 anyways

[woeful meteor]

not have 10 Buyers xD so get actual short Kills

at least on bosses where quick kills are good

[limber lion]

As long as you have Shiv and empowered garrotes during DM, that's pretty much all you can do

which is just the norm

No holding Flag or MFD or Vanish for gigasync burst windows

I wish I could boost, I really enjoyed it in CN/SoD

But I'm 3 weeks dry of tier and trinkets, good thing Catalyst is coming in 2 days

[woeful meteor]

Get 4 Set and whatever gear you are missing and you are good to go

Dont even need logs with your guild

surely the community wont check if you are an actual raider

[broken ibex]

Spending a lot of dummy time since I now sim slightly higher as Sin vs Sub... I am getting significantly worse Blindside procs (~50% less) after many individual 5 min sessions. Am I RNG cursed, the sim taking into account an assumed sub 35% HP at some point, or am I overlooking something?

[balmy condor]

are you simming patchwerk

or target dummy

[tacit otter]

dummy targets cant get into execute so less value

[broken ibex]

Ahh, Patchwerk

[balmy condor]

yeah don't do that

target dummy for target dummy

[broken ibex]

Got it, thank you for the education and quick response.

[balmy condor]

np

[tacit otter]

on rashok you said you can swap vanish around because sepsis is up at 6m. where do i make these adjustments? sepsis has to be on cd so i dont really get what to change there

[balmy condor]

whats your kill time

[gaunt moat]

just use vanish with 2nd DM

[tacit otter]

enrage

[balmy condor]

then don't bother

[tacit otter]

its more for information sake, even tho i cant apply it rn^^

[tacit otter]

thats not an adjustment? thats what i usually do?

[dark token]

This with rupture is actually nice I have this for m+ for sub

[gaunt moat]

Then you're good.
you should have sepsis ready for your 4th DM

[balmy condor]

if you're killing the boss in like sub 6 minutes, you don't get another deathmark

[dark token]

Where is this opener it's not in faq

[balmy condor]

so you can opener, vanish, sepsis 1:45, that covers the deathmark at 2 min, vanish after again, sepsis 3:15, hold the deathmark until vanish is back up

and that's your last dm

[dark token]

Why not spend opener sepsis proc on ambush

[woeful meteor]

Changed 2 days ago I think

[dark token]

When sepsis runs out I stealth cast garrote again

It still maintains empowered garrote whole time

[balmy condor]

it is, they're just using ER earlier

[dark token]

What else you gonna spend the first sepsis proc on

[woeful meteor]

Garrote

[gaunt moat]

Vanish at the opener for an extra ambush?

[balmy condor]

no

vanish after the gar drops obv

[dark token]

Why garrote so early

You sepsis dm shiv

[gaunt moat]

how do you get vanish for 4m DM this way?

[balmy condor]

"hold the deathmark until vanish is back up"

[gaunt moat]

so let me rephrase that, how do you get a 4th DM in the fight that way

[balmy condor]

you don't?

[woeful meteor]

#assassination message These are perfect timings gives you 1:49 Imp Gar Coverage for a 2:40 fight

[keen spruce]

he was talkin about <6m kill time

notter

[gaunt moat]

i thought he said an enrage killtime

[dark token]

Also for real we hold vanish all the way to like 2:05 with no opener usage

Seems crazy

[dark token]

Sepsis is some weird shit

[woeful meteor]

sepsis dm shiv continue as normal garotte when sepsis buff is about to run out

[dark token]

Nah I mean I get stealth garrote first global. This lasts till sepsis expires garrote

So this first sepsis stealth ability is able to be used on ambush

No?

[woeful meteor]

I'm cooking rn tho to get even more out of this specific fight time

never use sepsis stealth ability on ambush

ambush is bad and deals less dmg than mut

[dark token]

I need to unmacro my ambush from my mutilate then

[woeful meteor]

yes

[dark token]

By default if I'm stealthed ambush is used

Cause it used to be better

[woeful meteor]

When?

[dark token]

So what you just let the sepsis buff on the initial hit run out?

[gaunt moat]

@balmy condor

[dark token]

Feels weird

[woeful meteor]

no

[balmy condor]

yeah so you started reading the convo, and then skipped the middle part with the context, and then read the end again

[dark token]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/751133387905040425/1110297654820360307/03sepsis.png

There is only one garrote here

[gaunt moat]

I just misunderstood him

[dark token]

The sepsis expires garrote

The first sepsis ability seems wasted

[woeful meteor]

ok then I missunderstood the opener I dont play it like that

😄

I use first sepsis buff at like 15 sec and second at 25

[tacit otter]

if you dont use the first sepsis buff on gar you wont be able to hold the 2nd sepsis buff to its end. so you have to use the 2nd buff earlier reducing the overall emp gar uptime

[dark token]

Wait are you saying that 2nd garrote in the opener is the first sepsis garrote

Not the second

[tacit otter]

yes

[dark token]

I guess I misread line 2, and thought sepsis ran out quicker

[tacit otter]

then you hold the 2nd buff as long as possible to max pandemic

[dark token]

And that garrote was the 2nd sepsis ability not the first

I think my mutilate macro just auto consuming sepsis which is why I thought it didn't last as long

[balmy condor]

fun fact, this is the same thing

[dark token]

I was using first sepsis buff on ambush and 2nd sepsis buff at 15 sec I think

[gaunt moat]

If you vanish while Sepsis buff is up and use ambush. would it consume the buff?

[dark token]

I need better weakauras to track the sepsis buff and empowered garrote, sepsis garrote doesn't show as empowered for me

Vs stealth garrote does

[balmy condor]

the stealth garrote is 18 seconds, so the opener refreshes 10 seconds later with 8 seconds left, and then the second buff expires 15 seconds after that

so no matter how you flip it

you're going to be clipping pandemic

[dark token]

Sepsis lasts 15 sec

[balmy condor]

regardless of when you cast the garrotes

sepsis lasts 10 seconds

[woeful meteor]

Why do Bosses this tier live so long thought I just cooked perfect kazzara timings and the I see it's a first Boss living 4+ min

[gaunt moat]

Just tested. the answer is yes.

[cerulean nest]

how fast are people burning their teas in practice? I get using it for 100 energy/starving for shiv etc.

[balmy condor]

usually gone within like 1:30

although I'm kinda struggling to burn them on neltharion ngl

the downtime basically caps you again

[dark token]

But I'm not misreading, vanish is not used at all until 2:00 death mark (either before it on low kill time, or after it on high kill time)

[woeful meteor]

Recharged to 3 one time on nelth got hella confused

[balmy condor]

correct

[storm forum]

ive been using them slowly when i play KB too

use 1 in opener, then hold for 2nd KB, then 130 with sepsis, another with DM usually. Until execute where I dump them all whenever i use a shiv.

[strange python]

So. Should we expect our changes to get pushed to next patch?

[dark token]

Sin is weird even without all this minmax, I just glanced at faq and hit random buttons in opener and forgot to use beacon until 2 mins and still did 130k

[strange python]

I'd love to just get some communication tbh

[dark token]

Totally fucked the pull but it felt like it didn't matter

[balmy condor]

best part is that there was a background change to imp gar stuff

in sims

and it caused the sims to just spam rupture for like 35 seconds

before exsang->dm

[woeful meteor]

@tacit otter

[balmy condor]

just delaying everything for 30 seconds

[tacit otter]

[balmy condor]

and that full spamming rupture and shit

[storm forum]

????

[balmy condor]

was 2%

[dark token]

Bright mode gif my eyessss

[storm forum]

wait is that

what we're doing now?

or was that the APL stuff being bad?

[balmy condor]

what

are we doing what now

[storm forum]

spamming rupture for the first 30 seconds

[balmy condor]

lmao

of course we arent

what

that was just a simc bug

[storm forum]

rip

[balmy condor]

imagine

spamming rupture for 30 seconds and delaying deathmark

[storm forum]

i wanted to do that, show my raid the logs, and tell them that was what peak assa rogue looks like

[balmy condor]

I mean it's only -2%

so

in theory you could probably beat top parses doing it if you had some good rng

[spice surge]

Yep and then everybody comes in here asking "why is this r1 guy doing this rotation, why is it not in the FAQ?"

[storm forum]

just crit all ur trinket hits

and only auto the boss

[spice surge]

Like the guy that parsed well on rasz as sub that had tea macroed to shadow dance, so people just thought we were trolling when we said it wasnt good because "the rank 1 is doing it"

[storm forum]

ez rank 1 parse

[balmy condor]

Imagine optimizing your rotation for some robotic 0.3% increase

when the 95% confidence interval is a 15% dps swing

[keen spruce]

min max everything, greed sepsis delay to last .1s, perfect tea, perfect pandemic, not targeted by any mechanics.

[storm forum]

i wish i knew what a confidence interval was

[keen spruce]

best offer is 105k

beacon crit 3 times

125k

[cerulean nest]

havent played sin since beginning of last tier, doing sepsis build on dummy rn

shit is fun af

extending the empowered garrotes is very cool

[storm forum]

i am also a fan of having so many empowered garottes we hold vanish for 2 minutes

[cerulean nest]

how many shivs are you guys usually getting off between DMs

[storm forum]

4-ish

if im playing KB it might be only 3

[cerulean nest]

do you save two for second DM? or like, how long is acceptable to be capped on shivs if you're waiting for DM

like a few seconds I imagine? otherwise just send one

[storm forum]

yeah I usually just send them if im about to cap if im playing DTB

idk if its right, but I cap for like 10+ seconds with KB

[balmy condor]

means 95% of your pulls

[cerulean nest]

btw we run sepsis build for every fight pretty much?

[balmy condor]

ye

[cerulean nest]

sucks that I'd have to "waste" a spark crafting toxic thorns to get rid of my sub slime boots

[proper tapir]

I give it a 95 percent confidance interval that knowing what a confidance interval is not something that confidence person needs to know.

[storm forum]

damn

im not a confidence person i guess i gotta learn

[cerulean nest]

whisp?

or is any overcap at all a net loss

[keen spruce]

never be capped on shiv

[cerulean nest]

even if DM is coming up in like less than 10 secs

[keen spruce]

you'' almost always have used one during sepsis near the deathmark

you'll*

i normally float one stack. send one when i'm ~5s from capping or so

then use 2 during sepsis unless it's right before a deathmark

[cerulean nest]

ah right you use with sepsis too. and is the order of operations always shiv *after *DM or sepsis

[keen spruce]

ye

[cerulean nest]

kk

[keen spruce]

well it doesn't matter tHAT much

but technically yes

[woeful meteor]

It matters

you want the big hit from sepsis during shiv

[cerulean nest]

so shiv before then?

[woeful meteor]

no after

sepsis deals bonus dmg after 10 sec when the dot runs our

[cerulean nest]

oh so you want to delay shiv by like a gcd or two even

[keen spruce]

you could to be safe

but you're garroting after sepsis anyways

so you already delay one global

[woeful meteor]

sepsis -> gar -> shiv is enough pretty sure

lemme check

[cerulean nest]

cool

[keen spruce]

but also the sepsis hit is <1% of your damage

so don't like melt your brain over it

seps->gar->shiv is default

DM -> shiv for that

[balmy condor]

I'm raiding, you shiv if you have sepsis up, deathmark up, or you're going to overcap

[cerulean nest]

tyty

not new to the spec but it's been a minute, just catching up

appreciate the help all

corrupting rage phial also?

[balmy condor]

yeah it's pretty okay

vers is still good

but corrupting rage is probably a bit better if you aren't scared about the damage taken

[cerulean nest]

sweet

last one: pooling max -30 energy for finishers

still recommended?

[balmy condor]

basically irrelevant

[karmic crypt]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[agile osprey]

One of orbs got into boss with 5% on our experiments kill

So i got an extra round of cds

[keen spruce]

unethical soccer for the parse

[agile osprey]

I may have "encouraged" it in the correct direction

[cerulean nest]

can ambush during sepsis windows steal the free stealth ability accidentally?

or can I safely spend blindside procs

[drifting cloud]

spend away

[cerulean nest]

lit

[cerulean nest]

also should I not be milking the very first sepsis garrote on opener?

and just follow the exact flow of the screenshot

[balmy condor]

You can milk or not milk

Doesn’t matter

Your just using it so you pandemic the second one

It fills the gap more than anything

[cerulean nest]

gotcha

[runic hinge]

Can you milk me?

[balmy condor]

https://tenor.com/view/he-cant-dink-it-he-cant-drink-it-thirsty-cat-kitten-gif-25233740

[runic hinge]

Wow that’s so sad

[brazen zodiac]

https://tenor.com/view/skill-issue-skill-tissue-shitpost-gif-24136076

[shell osprey]

ive been told parsing for those who care is more than likely gonna be dead in half patch because of new evoker spec?

[balmy condor]

Unless augvoker gets filtered somehow

If Warcraftlogs can figure out a way to remove all the externals that augvoker can dish out, or attribute it to the augvoker rather than the dps

[strange python]

No chance

[balmy condor]

Then parses are fine

[strange python]

They give cdr, no?

[balmy condor]

Yeh but that’s the easiest I would think

[strange python]

Blizzard is committed to killing parse culture though. It's not an incidental side effect of designing for fun. It's fully intentional.

[balmy condor]

Just can’t allow parses that have more casts than natural

[strange python]

They think that killing elitism will bring back casuals.

[balmy condor]

What

Game is already giga casual idk if you know that

[strange python]

Hey man it's what they think

Don't ask me why

[shell osprey]

im not sure then can but they might, i heard they give flat main stats, crit, stuff like that

i just hope warcraft logs filters them out completely for time being

parsing is fun and gonna suck if that ruins it

[plain flower]

I really enjoy blasting tbh idc about parses as much as long as im the best within my given group

Although i can see the appeal of being the best in the world not just the best of the shitters

But we take those anyway

[royal lantern]

yeha, say bye to that aswell

cus melee wont get the simpvoker buffs anyway

proximity based

horrible horrible idea, the entire Spec

and gonna be gutted into a normal dps spec over the time

[clever sapphire]

That just means they need to make another spec/class that makes meeles go brrr

[royal lantern]

enh shaman

🙂

and yes, we LOVE even MORE mandatory classes/specs that block raidspots

just remove all specs that dont give a external then if thats the way they wanna go down

can only enter a raid if you have X classes/specs and 2free slots

cus thats how it feels like rn

[clever sapphire]

Pretty much, true

The way they see it is that they want every class/spec represented and thats why they are giving out so many externals to everyone

So everyone has a reason to be in the raid

[shell osprey]

gonna be so annoying too in raid groups, who gets buffs, who doesnt >.>

[royal lantern]

1enh shaman, 1warrior, 2paladins, 1priest, 1druid, 1monk, 1dh, 1mage, 1warlock, 1rogue, 1evoker and soon 1simpvoker

i love it

can argure 1DK aswell, cus many fights need grip or they are total shit

[royal lantern]

THATS DOING THE OPPOSITE YOU MORONS

jesus

[clever sapphire]

Ik

there is 2 ways to look at it. For everyone who wants to put together the optimal raid (so like probably 80%? of the wow players) you will want all the specs you listed.
For all the casuals who like play once a week that barely get normal sarkareth down by the end of season, they are happy that they can get invited as the spec they chose.

i dont say its good, but thats probably the best idea they could come up with so casuals get invited

[scenic sky]

Why not DH give them the Melee varrient of the evokter new spec

[clever sapphire]

i mean enhancement shaman has it in the name, so that would make the most sense

[scenic sky]

True true, if that was the case i would give shamans a 2nd go. havent played shamster since cata

[plain flower]

I will just simply switch to simpvoker

Balance in all things™️

[royal lantern]

why not kill the entire idea by the root allready

cus its so flawed, its actually insane

and idk who at blizz took enough drugs to say "yoooo, this is a good idea that wont fuck everything up"

[clever sapphire]

i think if they made it so you can 10man mythic raid and removed all the external buffs it would be fine

[royal lantern]

the spec will be a 90% dps spec with minor buffs at the start of 11.0

cus they cant manage it

[clever sapphire]

didnt they try to make disc priest something similiar once? or were they just trying to make it a dps spec

[royal lantern]

no lol

disc was always a healer

they just swapped how it heals

from shield healer to atoment pro-active healer

[clever sapphire]

ah well i just remembered a friend saying something in that direction

wait i have a big buff to assa rogues which would make getting a good setup even more annoying

[warm parcel]

What about poison

[royal lantern]

read again

[warm parcel]

Theres 2 poisons

[clever sapphire]

give us a talent where for every bleed/poison on the enemy target we do x% more dmg, so feral bleed and whatnot counts too

[warm parcel]

Dont forget numbing

[subtle tundra]

dumbing

[warm parcel]

Lol

[royal lantern]

mate, rogue is allready not worth a spot for meme poison lmao

you sure as hell wont ever bring 2 unless its tuned high

[solid mica]

give us poison cleanse, we've been makin them for 15 years ffs

[clever sapphire]

but nobody knows that its a meme, all they know is it say 3% reduction

thats all they need usually

[native belfry]

3.6 with a talent

[clever sapphire]

7.2 or so with shiv

[native belfry]

[royal lantern]

that never worked

idk why people still say and think it does, it was never a thing lol

[clever sapphire]

never tried or looked it, i just had this number in my head from DF beta xD

[native belfry]

Just bring me back my Legion PB RNG slot machine fiesta

[clever sapphire]

you have beacon/sophic devotion RNG fiesta now

isnt that fun?

[native belfry]

Nah

[clever sapphire]

atleast eranog proc is off the list of rng

[native belfry]

Nothing can satisfy me after PB proc in the opener under MA

It was so

[balmy condor]

Beacon sophic primordial stone amen

The way god intended

[clever sapphire]

im still missing the bacon part tho, so i can only complain about the other 2

[balmy condor]

I do a pull im at 126k I do a nearly identical pull I’m at 112k

God bless

[clever sapphire]

doing pulls and seeing my opener flap between 120-140k dps is so fun

i can feel that its the strength of my button presses that gives me more procs

[lavish hazel]

Do you still play primal stones ?

[balmy condor]

ye

other rings aren't showing gains

[lavish hazel]

Mines are about 30 dps diff

[balmy condor]

I'm about 500 down

[lavish hazel]

Between stones and classic ring

How many vers do you have

I think I have 15

[balmy condor]

no fucking clue

[lavish hazel]

I gave up onyx amulet

I killed some 1 on nelth with it

[clever sapphire]

thats the first time i saw someone ask about vers here, its always haste people are interested in

[lavish hazel]

Vers = boost the dmg of ring

[balmy condor]

wouldn't know that number either

[clever sapphire]

well im probably sticking with the ring for the whole season

seeing as my second ring is still the crit mastery ring from S1

at 421

[lavish hazel]

But with socket

So it’s ok

[clever sapphire]

well thats true

[warm parcel]

Ik. Even our guilds only rogue bottomed out on sark

[clever sapphire]

but my ilvl says otherwise

[warm parcel]

[balmy condor]

despair

my sim wants the 441 vers/mast tier over the equally statted 441 crit/mast tier

it wants more fucking vers

hate my life

[clever sapphire]

more vers? is it time for te rotten sub build?

[royal lantern]

oh no

your sub main side comes out

[balmy condor]

be me
playing triple zold
mast bad stat

I wonder if any 441 dungeon ring would be better

I kinda doubt it

considering a 441 haste/crit ring is -700

that seems

mighty not possible

[royal lantern]

made a few dungeon rings 441
crit haste, crit master, mastery crit, even haste vers

all lower then eranog+onyx

[balmy condor]

I'm not even using beacon

and it wants vers

think about that

maybe if I only sim p3

[plain flower]

Damooge

[balmy condor]

that's my cope now

if I only sim p3 nelth

SURELY

the annulet will be bad

right

[grim jay]

#sin14%versclub

[royal lantern]

still on rashok prison

2% wipe

[grim jay]

If your people had more vers you wouldnt have wiped

Vers is omnipotent now

[royal lantern]

vers is such a stupid stat lol

[grim jay]

I mean its better than hit rating, but ye its pretty meh

[strange python]

Nah. It's been three expansions of blizzard tip toeing with externals in a row now. This is the direction they wanna go. Every time they do it the community backlash gets smaller.

It's very intentional.

The devs aren't even shy about it lol, go hang out in one of the devs guilds discords for a week

[clever sapphire]

remove all stats, make it so your transmog gives you increased dmg, and you will have to apply with a ticket to blizzard everytime you change transmog. So they can rate it and give you a dmg buff according to your mog

[balmy condor]

\

get me out

it replaced

the fucking annulet

with the eranog ring

are you shitting me

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[grim jay]

looks like hell

[balmy condor]

IM JUST TAKING L'S

CANT EVEN GET A CLEAN WIN IN EXECUTE

WHAT THE FUCK

aight

I will try

a new method

maybe if I re-gem and re-chant everything for mastery/vers

instead of crit/mast

then my haste/crit ring will rise in value

[royal lantern]

yeha cool, still 300% shit idea that ends in a total disaster

[grim jay]

Agreed

[royal lantern]

cant wait for the 300k sustained dps warlock

that stays that way for 4months cus "we need to get numbers first"

[keen spruce]

top gear sim with all of the rings all of the enchants all of the gems

[clever sapphire]

"Always these damned rogues complaining about everything. We gave them 2 raidbuffs with atrophic and numbing and they still cry about not getting a spot"
Blizzard probably somewhere drunk designing augvoker

[balmy condor]

it's not funny anymore shmeeps

[grim jay]

Every buff that impacts the dps of another person is a shit idea, they should leave it at stuff they can add to the evokers dps, like dmg proc buffs etc

Same for heals

[balmy condor]

I'm on my "don't come to raid tomorrow" arc

[strange python]

I mean. Welcome to the future of wow.

This is what they want lol

They think it will be fun to have a raid of supportive players giga buffing a player for memes

[royal lantern]

"we will totally balance it, even if its hard"

from the guys that regulary nuke specs into unplayable for entire patches cus they CBA giving them a simple % buff

sure

will work out

100%

[strange python]

Idk man. This is what they want lol.

[royal lantern]

cool, and its shit

and i tell them its shit

cus i hope somewhere a dev sees it and gets a moment of clarity

[strange python]

I agree. But they're clearly not gonna back down on it.

[royal lantern]

you gonna kidney the warlocks?

[strange python]

Between kindred aff and PI and evoker leggo and new enchant and warrior banner and blessing of autumn, this is entirely on purpose.

[clever sapphire]

i mean what could go wrong, its not that hard to balance right? Its just a spec that buffs multiple other classes at the same time but also has to do dmg to stay relevant, but not actually outdmg other classes that bring no raidbuffs because then its already broken

seems easy to me, just nerf rogue and done

[strange python]

They don't want it balanced.

They want it "fun"

Whatever that means

[balmy condor]

I looked at logs and I found out that if I don't dm at 4 min in p2, I can hold until the start of p3, and then if all goes as planned, dm will come up 17 seconds before the enrage

I'm going insane

[clever sapphire]

how much fun is a spec that buffs others, but you only see your buffs working if you get an addon and see how their dmg increased because of you

[strange python]

The dev answer would be "people like bard classes"

[clever sapphire]

bard makes cool sounds and has cool stories

evoker goes "earth bending, fire bending hell nature bending"

i would actually play a bard over evoker any day of the week

[subtle tundra]

Tryhard

Sweaty

[balmy condor]

this was my night

[scenic sky]

Unlucky

[keen spruce]

[balmy condor]

that 0.0% wipe was 87k hp

[keen spruce]

pulls looked good when i tuned in at the start

[balmy condor]

yeah

they looked like that

for the entire rest of the night

[blazing jewel]

[balmy condor]

[blazing jewel]

maybe if warrior player pressed execute am I right

[balmy condor]

our warriors too busy skullfucking the adds

[keen spruce]

why did i check this

[blazing jewel]

im playing sin for every boss on reclear

no more add fucking allowed

[subtle tundra]

Oi oi oi

I'm about to cry for yoy

[keen spruce]

only if i'm using corrupting rage tho

[balmy condor]

[keen spruce]

it's bad if i use vers

[balmy condor]

guess what the top is

[keen spruce]

with vers phial it doesn't give a shit

[balmy condor]

I want you to try and guess

[keen spruce]

is it..

annulet eggnog?

[balmy condor]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[keen spruce]

[blazing jewel]

aint no way

[subtle tundra]

I have that ring with socket

[keen spruce]

with corrupting rage it says to gem crit mast or crit haste

with tepid vers it wants crit vers

i cannot be fucked for 200dps

[balmy condor]

shmeeps

it wants to me gem mast/vers

[keen spruce]

[royal lantern]

took them almost a DECADE to make MW monk revival actually not wipe the raid on many raidfights

but sure

will work out

[balmy condor]

I can't drop the one ring

[royal lantern]

[balmy condor]

or the other pops up

[keen spruce]

i just drop them both and pretend i didn't see the 200dps

but 1.4% is monka