assassination

[gusty mirage]

got em

[keen spruce]

[gusty mirage]

you never let me finish

is a wonderful woman

[keen spruce]

[eager solstice]

Is this highest sim we’ve seen on live?

[marble hemlock]

Neither does his mom?

[keen spruce]

doubtful

but it's the highest i can get mine too

with my gear

[eager solstice]

Haven’t seen a higher one on live

[keen spruce]

i mean i'm 4/9m

surely there are larger rogues

I could get another 900 dps from an essence tho

IF IT WOULD EVER DROP

[tacit otter]

mine is like 300 higher with 90% Flask uptime, but mostly i sim with 80%

[keen spruce]

yeah after rashok pulls 80-85% probably more realistic

[tacit otter]

ye on rashok myself thats why i use 80%^^

[keen spruce]

i could sim i with my 447 fragment and number much bigger

[tacit otter]

yeah nah simming with frag no good

[woeful meteor]

fragment pre exsang fix no cct was like 128 for me 😄

[keen spruce]

lemmy see what 100% rage and fragment says these days

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/mZUvJ8cdU7aQAmKFgRUMXB

maybe we don't fix sims and blizzard makes the game interact like the sims do

[woeful meteor]

imagine exsang worked like it did in sims for 5 months

[keen spruce]

i still wouldn't select it

[runic hinge]

imagine an exsang rework with a way better talent and KB being awesome

[keen spruce]

u know what would make me play exang

if it applied max duration garrote and rupture

when cast

or to make it work with empowered garrotes, just set current bleeds to max duration

so i wouldn't have to use like 3 gloabls that break every rule of correct assas gameplay to setup a CD

[woeful meteor]

the setup is what makes exsang nice tho

[keen spruce]

[woeful meteor]

bring back sofo Sin

[gusty mirage]

why do you hate me

what did I ever do to you

[woeful meteor]

how tf do you not like sofo sin

[gusty mirage]

@limber lion tamaran doesn't remember

I was borderline about to throw my computer out of the window during sofo

Cev had to give me weekly DM pep talks

I was down bad

[oak sky]

[craggy oak]

Was sofo, the 1min vendetta with the overhang ans snapshot shit?

[gusty mirage]

yep

[oak sky]

1:10 sin

[craggy oak]

Ye long live sofo sin

[limber lion]

And look where you are now. Absolutely blasting the charts and making us all proud

[oak sky]

I love 70s cd timers

[limber lion]

[woeful meteor]

The we made Sin higher simming than sub with mfd flag snapshot tech was the best Pin on this server

[gusty mirage]

I fumbled my CDs at the end of nelth and gray parsed that too

I went from 127k to like 116k

[woeful meteor]

[gusty mirage]

its okay, boss died

gonna gray parse my way to CE

[craggy oak]

Only played rogue since very late 8.3, and sofo sin is the best itteration ive played imo, idk what you guys had before but sofo by far most engaging sin gameplay since i picked up the spec

[gusty mirage]

sofo was definitely the most unique playstyle we've had in ages

[oak sky]

I dont think it was that good but it probably is the best iteration ive played

Lmao

[gusty mirage]

but even then

[oak sky]

Thats so pathetic

[gusty mirage]

its all the same shit

every single expac

for like

the last 10 years

[limber lion]

[gusty mirage]

at least the overhang gave us SOMETHING different

[craggy oak]

Atm, rogue feels like hunter did when they were all crying about how all 3 felt the same, so they changed surv

[gusty mirage]

we got that with outlaw tho

when they ruined combat daggers

[oak sky]

There was combat on the mop talent system for 2 expacs right

Did it just play like outlaw with no rtb

[gusty mirage]

combat existed until legion

[craggy oak]

But now sin and sub are the same in aoe, and in raid both snooze fests, idk been done to death, but sumin wants changing

[woeful meteor]

The overhang, the setup at the start and during your cd having to think a bit faster where all nice

[craggy oak]

Put sin in bin and start again, and make dance great again for sub

[gusty mirage]

playing flag pretty much all of SL killed it for me

[balmy condor]

I'll put you in a bin

how bout that

[gusty mirage]

because my stupid ass started SL and I was like "lol flag seems cool"

[woeful meteor]

at least with sepsis you have a bit more interaction again

[gusty mirage]

and didn't realize I was wasting 2 GCDs to do negative dps

[craggy oak]

Id gladly go in the bin if i could drag current sin with me

[oak sky]

me 🤝 oxi

playing 10.0 flag

[gusty mirage]

[woeful meteor]

just start wow in the middle of the expac and that doesnt happen 😄

[oak sky]

[gusty mirage]

everyone was night fae

except me and andrew

we were off in ravendreth looking like this:

[oak sky]

i wasnt even in the discord

[woeful meteor]

I remember I went nightfaw when I started the game cause it was supposed to be best on law, but everyone was kyrian and then went necro

Guy vs jpc on deathly shadows good times

[acoustic flicker]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[gaunt moat]

Just reading over #1065730164077645916 discussion
i'm confused, does crippling poison help at all with anything other then slow?
I usually don't even put it on

[tacit otter]

its just sim implementation stuff

as far as i understand

[balmy condor]

yeh

not relevant to gameplay

just talking about implementations in sims

[gilded burrow]

what should i be focusing on for sin in m+? 100% uptime on garrote & rupture?

[gaunt moat]

You should focus on indiscriminate carnage usage and Crimson Tempest (or envenom if targets are very stacked)

And you can spread some ruptures for energy regen

[gilded burrow]

what do you do when your gar/rup run out after IC opener?

[runic hinge]

depends on how much of the pack is left

[gaunt moat]

that's when you spread some ruptures.
if it's many targets, garrote is pretty inefficient unless there's a target i want to extra focus

[limber lion]

That's very much not true

Garrote is the most efficient button in the entire kit

You don't have to build for Garrote, you just press it

[gaunt moat]

it's 50 energy though

[limber lion]

And it gives you energy at the same speed that Rupture does

It is, but it also deals damage

In M+ you're energy satured most of the time

so energy costs do not matter

[gaunt moat]

Does it deal more damage then a crimson tempest would deal to 5+ targets?

[limber lion]

What matters is how many gcds it takes to output damage

No, but Crimson Tempest requires multiple key presses

You can't just press CT CT CT CT

You need to build with FoK everytime

Garrote is legit the best button in the entire kit and I don't think it's even close

1. Great damage, 2. Energy from VW, 3. Contributes to Lethal Dose, 4. Is a generator not a spender

[gilded burrow]

gotcha, so just press garrote off cd, CT a lot, and use IC in opener out of stealth for IG, right?

[limber lion]

Garrote always on cd, maintain CT on every target at all times

Spread Ruptures on targets when the IC ruptures hit pandemic up to saturation

If targets are about to die, you just Envenom and do not Rupture at all

[still leaf]

but what if i envenom and poison bomb doesnt proc

[limber lion]

Who cares

[gaunt moat]

though luck

[limber lion]

Still better than pressing a Rupture and wasting 20s of it when the mob dies right after

[gilded burrow]

ty all for the info, gonna give it a go

[limber lion]

Legit dead gcd at that point

[runic hinge]

just roll better instead

[open marlin]

are Toxic Thorn boots simming closer to actual performance now? or are they still over what they put out

[limber lion]

Yes they sim properly now

[open marlin]

disappointing that i don't have a spark for them 😦

[gilded burrow]

what do i spend my shadowflame sparks on?

[limber lion]

Weapon > Boots > Armor Patch > Anything else you're missing

[balmy condor]

^ the toxic armor patch can go on any leather crafted "life-bound" gear, but you should only really consider bracers and maybe helmet for ti

so keep that in mind

[main vessel]

Is everybody enjoying the nice, calm #assassination chat

[high berry]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[main vessel]

[lapis osprey]

Wait so

[somber sparrow]

windfury totem buff opinions for assassination

[lapis osprey]

Exsang + fragment dream

is dead?

I did check the pins

I'm just unsure if I understand it correctly, the fragment part mostly

[deft flicker]

Yiss

[lapis osprey]

But like

Have the sims been fixed

[tacit otter]

no

[lapis osprey]

So I don't know which trinket works best rn

[deft flicker]

Reread the pin carefully

[tacit otter]

but ye frag worse than before, still okey-ish, depends what you have as alternatives

[lapis osprey]

I have no raid trinket and pretty much all m+ trinkets

[tacit otter]

then it could be one of the better ones i assume

[deft flicker]

Dice + fragment seems to be the play if literally no raid trinkets

[lapis osprey]

That's what I have rn

[storm forum]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[storm forum]

i cant believe beacon is a channel

[gilded burrow]

what does the toxic patch actually do? reading it just says its infused with decay

[worn panther]

it boost the effects of toxic embellishments

it does nothing on it's own

[balmy condor]

doubles the effect of a toxified item, so the toxic thorn boots

also the negative effect

so with slimy it would double the haste reduction

[storm forum]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[autumn frost]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[gusty mirage]

I can't believe its not butter

[tall atlas]

You’re butter

[gusty mirage]

[runic hinge]

Why does blizz love channeled trinkets so much this expansion

Puzzle box wasn’t fun. But big numbers for sure

[bleak dove]

played sin in keys for the first time

everything felt like it was on fire bleeds expiring left and right and me just staring wondering where it all went wrong

pain

[gusty mirage]

sounds about right

a lot of plate spinning

https://tenor.com/view/spinning-plates-gif-13275991

[misty holly]

Apparently you can't trade M+ trinkets unless you have both slots upgraded to a higher ilevel.

Even if you just got the same trinket twice lol

game makes you keep second copy of that trinket

[balmy condor]

yeah

it's by slot

same for rings

and daggers too

[misty holly]

I understand that, but not having an exception for the same item which is unique is lame

Hopefully at least this counts at both slots now?

If I get this trinket a third time and still can't trade it omg

[storm forum]

can we get bombs on zskarn?

[lapis osprey]

I can't

That's for sure

[storm forum]

rip

[storm forum]

the cursed tech of beacon prepull is pretty funny

[gilded burrow]

in onyx our bis in m+?

[deft vault]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[deft vault]

Do you hold dm a bit for vanish for the 4min dm ?

[balmy condor]

if it doesn't miss you uptime on tier bonus, ye

so like magmorax you would hold

rashok you can't

[deft vault]

nelt you hold then?

cuz its like 7:30 fight

[next arch]

Is nelf meld bis?

[gusty mirage]

meld is useless in raid

so not really

[royal lantern]

nelf is bad because you play as an elf

[arctic hare]

If you equip the trinket in both slots, specifically the one trinket in both slots, you can still trade it.

[gusty mirage]

tf man

[keen spruce]

we had one mage dead from 2m -> enrage on rashock

and another dead for like 45 seconds

but boss still 10%

need to find 75m

idk if windfury totem is worth at this point

and by idk i mean it's not

[drifting cloud]

nerfs soon for sure

[steel ridge]

Pain

[royal lantern]

thats allot gray

[keen spruce]

well like >1/2 raid died to 6:02 slam

and like 5 of us were alive at enrage

but yeah

we just aren't consistently getting to p3 for the reps

[royal lantern]

oh ok

[steel ridge]

You need 1.67 million raid dps tho

[royal lantern]

thought it was a kill

[torn atlas]

Question in regards to DM bug in the pins, more for curiosity sake than anything. Was the "niche, heavy aoe situation" that you would DM->exang due to cutting DM short in order to proc 4piece sooner? Or something else?

[royal lantern]

yes

and honest answer

in those situations you dont play assa anyway

or ignore it as assa

cus its not your job

let somone handle short term heavy aoe that can actually do it

[subtle tundra]

well you would in m+

[gaunt moat]

@keen sprucecan you link me the log? i'm not getting to 119k like that

[keen spruce]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/c6Zp4bhTyN1APH3n#fight=37

[visual coyote]

Does the amulet not do better even with those 441 rings for you?

[keen spruce]

i replaced annulet like week 3

[royal lantern]

huh

still using it lol

[keen spruce]

most people are

my sims are cursed

[half dawn]

how are you guys finding assa in raid?

i don't have perfectly statted gear and my ST sims like 6k above my sub/outlaw specs lmao

thinking of switching to assa for the raid idk

[subtle tundra]

yes assa sims more than sub and outlaw

[sweet dawn]

I think it's fun and feels a lot smoother now that we don't take Esang anymore

[subtle tundra]

nothing unusual

[sweet dawn]

and can go venom rush

[subtle tundra]

you didnt have to take exsang before either

i wasnt playing it even if it "simmed" higher

[sweet dawn]

True, I liked the idea of exsang and sort of "put up" with how awkward it was to play because I thought it was cool

And it was more damage and I'm a whore for covering my own mistakes, just learn the opener and you could use exsang fine

[royal lantern]

tbf, i reached the part where i didnt even mind exsang anymore

was just a shity part of assa that i accepted

[keen spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/boo-gif-26415146

all my homies hate exang

[royal lantern]

mate, i hate it aswell

but turned from "its so shit to play jesus christ" into "oh well, use it togheter with DM for every 2nd DM, w/e"

[sweet dawn]

Yeah that's how it was for me

I just think it's a cool idea but I think it would be difficult for Blizz make any ability like it and not have it be weird to use, yanno?

[royal lantern]

doing a full gem+enchant sim

cya guys in 3 hours o/

[half dawn]

wait you dont play exang anymore

[balmy condor]

Correct

[half dawn]

ah i am still using that lol

i saw it was still mentioned in the FAQ

or rather FUUs sheet last time i checked

although that was a while ago

[keen spruce]

u must check assas pins every 35 minutes to stay up to date on the new bugs in sims and game

[half dawn]

KEKW

[gaunt moat]

So I'm noticing your Garrote dealt almost 1m more than mine.
We had the same uptime.
You have about 2000 more mastery than me (because i use annulet)
Would such a difference come from mastery?

[keen spruce]

yeah stats do big dam

also stats remove the RNG from annulet procs

[deft flicker]

Checking assa pins every time you see a slowmode enabled os a close enough optimization

[half dawn]

man this build without exang is pog i should have checked pins more often

also SnD refreshes... wow

[keen spruce]

were u playing w/o cttc

you mad lad

[gaunt moat]

it's weird though, cause like every other poison or rupture difference is not that big

[keen spruce]

raidbots tells me to get that much mastery so i get that much mastery

i just press buttons and pray

[half dawn]

yeah :x

basically used the same Assa build from S1

yikers

[keen spruce]

I didn't use exang

in s1

[half dawn]

wait not true, i hav been using sepsis

[keen spruce]

but even if i did

I would have kept cttc

[half dawn]

didnt use exang for ST?

[keen spruce]

hell naw

[half dawn]

idk what i was doing

[keen spruce]

actually in s1 I used a very cursed setup

unapproved talent choices

but it meant less buttons, more energy regen, and slightly better execute

at the low cost of like 1000 dps

[half dawn]

that acc sounds good

[gaunt moat]

Instead I double down on RNG with loaded dice

[half dawn]

i wanted to play Assa on keeper so much, but instead i was forced to do adds in outlaw

sadge

[keen spruce]

i had to cut eggs

and try to stay awake

while our add team figured their shit out

[half dawn]

eggs is ok as assa imo, no?

[keen spruce]

i mean it iz what it iz

you'd rather have mobile ranged do it

[half dawn]

imagine not having hunters do it

yeah lmao

BM hunters never do mechanics

[keen spruce]

but if you had to pick a melee

assas probably one of the better ones

[half dawn]

imagine playing frost dk and getting asked to do that shit

[keen spruce]

dice seems consistent

consistently proccing between 10%->22% uptime

[gaunt moat]

can the dice give the same buff twice? cause i'm looking at a log, and there's two seperate buffs for each stat

[keen spruce]

yeah idk

dice logs are weird

i think it's just counting the seperate combinations

as their own thing

actually it's just inconsistent

[gaunt moat]

It's more than that, the buffs themselves have different values

[keen spruce]

sometimes it's on the same row

[half dawn]

btw

[keen spruce]

sometimes not

[half dawn]

do you guys have a WA for sepsis

[keen spruce]

notter does

[gaunt moat]

sometimes you get 110 haste, sometimes 134

[half dawn]

something to blast middle of the screen telling you to garrote

i keep fucking spamming mutilate when im on my stealth bar

[gaunt moat]

https://wago.io/Lgy47ma7G

[keen spruce]

yeah it probably has a "high" and "low" proc on the combos

[half dawn]

based

ty

[keen spruce]

but i'm completely guessing

cev will explain now

[limber lion]

Good you want to delay most of the sepsis garrotes anyway :D

[half dawn]

oh you do?

[keen spruce]

nvm

[half dawn]

i thought you hit the 2nd one as soon as you could

[visual coyote]

#showtooltip Sinister Strike
/cast Sinister Strike
/cast !Stealth

Works for all 3 rogue specs

[keen spruce]

I hit the first one right away and delay the 2nd

[half dawn]

what i meant is im spamming mutilate because i dont know i can garrote

[keen spruce]

but roughly not optimal

yeah notter's wa will fix that

[half dawn]

but if I need to delay it this is helpful

Also, any idea why Nelf trinket is simming highe than the fragment?

[keen spruce]

fragment sims are bugged

[gaunt moat]

@visual coyote what does "cast not stealth" do?

[keen spruce]

it's bad

[half dawn]

tbh frag is 437

fragment is bad or the sims are bad

[keen spruce]

both

[half dawn]

[keen spruce]

it sims ~18% too high

[deft flicker]

The stealth ability procs are 10s apart and last for 10 seconds each. Garrote is 18s long so by using the first proc asap and holding the second one till it has like 2-3 seconds left gives you more empowered garrote duration per sepsis cast

[half dawn]

oh

[visual coyote]

If you press the button while in stealth it won't take you out of stealth like your normal stealth button does

[half dawn]

thank you!

[visual coyote]

So I use this aswell
#showtooltip Stealth
/cast !stealth

[limber lion]

Afaik you have a chance to get any combination of the buffs, they can stack together and the amount you get varies each time slightly

[half dawn]

Wait so do you use fragment or not

[visual coyote]

Just stops you fucking up in dungeons when your spamming mostly

[gaunt moat]

but if !sealth is the 2nd line, won't it cast the attack that takes you out of stealth first?

[keen spruce]

on sims ig it only puts the stat procs of the same amount on the same row

otherwise it gives you a new row

[limber lion]

Yeh probably

[keen spruce]

yall still use !stealth

just don't spam stealth for more than a gcd

[gaunt moat]

never knew it was a thing even

[visual coyote]

In between pulls If you macro it with mutilate you dont need to move your finger 🙂

[keen spruce]

i used it in vanilla

through maybe wotlk

but see mutilate is Q

and stealth is shift+Q

finger no move

[visual coyote]

Ambush not shift+Q?

[keen spruce]

ambush is uhhh

[limber lion]

I use a stealth-variable as well in my macro

[keen spruce]

shift+r

i think

[limber lion]

Going into stealth, no cd/gcd, go out of stealth gcd procs

So it's easy to just jump out of stealth by accident

[keen spruce]

and garrote goes on w. rupture on shift+w

cuz w looks like a little saw blade

that makes u bleed

[visual coyote]

Ah nice yeah my bindings might be cursed idk

[limber lion]

Especially if tank is chaining and you're spamming your stealth button as the mobs are dying

[keen spruce]

Kick in F

a man of science

[half dawn]

Do you guys even bother playing assa during spiteful

I hate it on my outlaw/sub but i cant imagine it on assa

would acc just not play

[keen spruce]

stealth not that important in m+

[visual coyote]

The less you have to move from wasd postion the better for common bindings I found

[limber lion]

There's no such thing as cursed bindings, everyone has their own preference. Except for JPC, he's just nuts

[limber lion]

Yeah it's super whatever

[keen spruce]

reckful's were also pretty cursed

but he pvp'

[limber lion]

That's what JPC mimics

Movement on zxc

Just idk

[keen spruce]

i move on asd

[half dawn]

I use my mousewheel - 1 mousewheel down is ER, 2 mouse scrolls down is Shiv, 3 down scrolls is evis

[keen spruce]

shift+s is backpedal

[half dawn]

envenom i mean

[limber lion]

Wtf

Okay I take back what I said

That is truly cursed

[keen spruce]

that's some unapproved shit @half dawn

[half dawn]

you need to work on your finger control 💀

nah i dont use more than 1 MW Up or Down, that would be so hard to manage

[keen spruce]

how does that even work

[half dawn]

you can set it upw ith macros

for your mouse

to detect it as seperate keybind

but let me tell you

this is forbidden tech

v dangerous

[deft flicker]

How bout these??

[keen spruce]

diddy has approved keybinds

envenom on E

mut on Q

kick on F

Shift+3 vanish

[half dawn]

ok I feel like not using kick on E is actual herecy

[deft flicker]

I usually have kick on E and mobility on Q

[visual coyote]

E = Envenom

[keen spruce]

F is for kick cuz "Fuck u stop casting"

E for envenom ofc

[half dawn]

F is for Fuck I need energy

[north granite]

Keybinds are fake

[keen spruce]

W for bleeds cuz it looks like a little sawblade

[half dawn]

Although on my outlaw Mousewheel down is for tea 💀

[visual coyote]

I also have all my defensives on mouse buttons and hide the bar in combat

[half dawn]

i cant hide my bars

[keen spruce]

R for kidney cuz when someone gets stunned for 6 seconds they "Reeeeeee"

[half dawn]

i need to see what abilities im clicking with my cursor 🙂

[half dawn]

same here

[deft flicker]

Yep

[half dawn]

This this is pretty standard

B5 / B4 / B3 are mouse buttons

[keen spruce]

these are k

[visual coyote]

Thats the wrong spec sir

[half dawn]

oh wait

[keen spruce]

mostly approved

[visual coyote]

No wonder you have kick on E you dont have Envenom

[keen spruce]

[half dawn]

tricks is not SX, tricks is mousewheel up

shift-x

[keen spruce]

tricks is mwd

shroud is mwu

[half dawn]

thats ER

shroud is F4

because if soemone fucks it up i alt f4

[keen spruce]

i don't have ghoul fingers so i cannot reach my f keys without more work than i'm willing to put in

they're just set to world markers

[half dawn]

yeah but you dont need to fast press shroud

[keen spruce]

troo

[half dawn]

F keys are for markers

and shroud

and HS

[keen spruce]

I don't have any rotational shit on my mouse

except shiv on sub

[half dawn]

if i didnt have it on my mouse i would have to change from WSAD to EDSF

[keen spruce]

just pots, mounts, shroud, tricks

[half dawn]

and im monkey FPS brain cannot do that

[keen spruce]

1-5, qwert, zxcv, fg

• shift modifiers

covers everything

for me

i even have room for this macro

very important

[half dawn]

do you play with arrow keys

if you are using W

KEKW

[keen spruce]

i use asd

[half dawn]

thats acc cursed af

but fair play

[keen spruce]

shift +s is backpedal

[deft flicker]

I should probably get used to zxc binds, but they feel a bit awkward to press

[half dawn]

ZXC is all your thumb

FUCK

spacebar should be used for something

[limber lion]

Just use non-frequent binds there

[keen spruce]

just think about how neglected all of your S keys are

[half dawn]

Shift-spacebar pots

[keen spruce]

prime keybind location wasted

[half dawn]

I should rebind my sprint to Shift W

that's acc logical

[keen spruce]

rightt there in the middle of all of your binds smh

[limber lion]

I have a 16 button mouse, I just have most of my spammy stuff on my mouse

[keen spruce]

mmo mouses make me feel like a nerd

[half dawn]

FPS mouse enjoyers rise up

[keen spruce]

and i always played fps

[half dawn]

yeah

[limber lion]

I had to get one because I had a lot of pain in my left hand

So now with the mouse it's 50/50

[keen spruce]

can relate after a season of playin outlaw

[half dawn]

you prob played outlaw for a seaons

[limber lion]

Doesn't just destroy one side

Nah I literally cannot play Outlaw

Just my musician fingers/hands taking a beating

[half dawn]

I play a lot of prot pally and outlaw tbh so idgaf

[keen spruce]

you don't hold down right click and spin your mouse in circles during pulls?

[half dawn]

wrist pain is just another affix

at this point

[limber lion]

5 hours at work then home to game to spam the keyboard

Ggs

[keen spruce]

better dancing better dps

cev what do you play again?

cello?

[limber lion]

Viola and violin

[keen spruce]

o tiny cello

my brother played a little violin back in the day

I tried to play it w/o any instruction and i think it gave my whole family tinnitis

skreeeeeeeeeeee

[olive moth]

the boys are tellin me to ditch slimy for toxic boots. is there much truth to that?

[keen spruce]

it's a noticible gain

but only for assas

[olive moth]

interesting

ive simmed and it was about half a % in both forms of content. are there any considerations a sim might not show?

[keen spruce]

nah

[olive moth]

both forms being raid/m+

mm ok

[keen spruce]

if they're that close then i wouldn't worry too much about it

unless

there's nothin else to spark

that's a bigger upgrade

[olive moth]

good point

[keen spruce]

it's only like 500dps for me so <0.5% ish

[tardy basin]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[olive moth]

i switched from sub to assass so pretty much everything is crit/vers, plenty i can craft

[frozen jasper]

I really need to get up my crafting man i still am running around with 437 dagger and nothing else crafted higher than that
Order would be dagger 447>boots>patch Right?

[austere fulcrum]

I personally did boots+ patch first ( patch with season 1 spark )

[median root]

it's so easy to get a decent weapon, boots and patch first was tee play

[austere fulcrum]

Them together is bigger upgrade than a weapon if i am not mistaken. However i crafter weapon too

[frozen jasper]

Alright thanks a lot

[limber lion]

Yeah the first 5 years or whatever are pretty rough

[royal lantern]

is the exsang change in nightly sims allready btw?

[limber lion]

Has been all this time and it literally says that in the pin

Was fixed immediately when it was discovered

[royal lantern]

was just using latest all the time

[limber lion]

Nightly gets updated, like the word implies, every night

Exsang thingy was found almost a week ago

[royal lantern]

sim telling me 2x wafting is 68dps over 1x sophic 1x wafting

[limber lion]

68 dps is so whatever, I wouldn't change

[royal lantern]

ye sure

more like, seems a bit weird

is wafting proc chance higher then sophic or something, idk

[limber lion]

Did you do a gem/enchant sim as well with it

That usually changes weapon enchants around as well

[royal lantern]

that was the entire point, checking if something changed in my gems&enchants

[limber lion]

Could just want an haste enchant or a gem or two

But yeah Sophic and Wafting are kinda neck and neck

but Sophic is just better in m+

[royal lantern]

eh, i stay with 1 and 1

cus its less troll in m+

[limber lion]

yep

[spice surge]

Isnt it weird that theres only a good haste enchant and none of the other secondaries

[keen spruce]

68dps is practically just margin of error on sims

[royal lantern]

bruh i know

[keen spruce]

[royal lantern]

was just suprised that it is a "option" at all

cus sophic is mainstat

and mainstat is mainstat

[keen spruce]

oh yeah very weirdge

i'd assume it has higher proc rate

[spice surge]

It does not, they have the same proc rate

[half dawn]

OK boys just for you've i've gone ahead

[royal lantern]

susge

[half dawn]

and rank 1 parsed LFR first boss

[late surge]

[half dawn]

had 2 priests PI me as well lmfao so fucking ratty

[royal lantern]

[limber lion]

If you had 2 priests, that would invalidate the log

[half dawn]

oh no

np, time to do it again

😎

[limber lion]

Gl

[gusty mirage]

GAMER

[pallid spear]

both 441 not even socket

[keen spruce]

reject annulet

embrace stats

[static glacier]

Annulet healz tho

[pallid spear]

just suprised its apparently weaker than 441 without socket

[static glacier]

Unlike the other two specs sin actually makes use of secondaries

[gusty mirage]

The aura buff made stats more valuable than they were before. Makes sense when you start getting better gear

[royal lantern]

why do some people here sim almost 4k higher then me

when im 441 ilvl with bomb+beacon hc

[keen spruce]

cuz you're not 444 with bomb + essence

[royal lantern]

whats essence

[keen spruce]

also they might be simming with corrupting rage 100% uptime

this essence

results may vary

[royal lantern]

oh ye

[keen spruce]

corrupting rage 80%

100%

vers phial*

[royal lantern]

soooooooo

sim manipulation

you evil evil people

:C

[spice spire]

Shmeeps is a known propagandist

[cerulean walrus]

He loves to spread a little disinformation on the interwebs

[spice spire]

Who doesn’t

[cerulean walrus]

Exactly

[sharp lichen]

Assa is good now?

[royal lantern]

always has been

lol

[spice spire]

Compared to other rogues? Yeah

[royal lantern]

rogue compared to the good classes? nope

[spice spire]

Compared to like demonology or devoker? Nah

[spice spire]

It’s not that far

Rogue is finally in fine-ish position. But the top is a bit too high

[keen spruce]

i'll have you know i'm a rage 90% simmer

[spice spire]

Still a little misinformation innit

That’s like magical Christmas land

[keen spruce]

i've never been hit by a mechanic in the history if raiding ever

[spice spire]

[keen spruce]

okay fine

but this is rashock

[spice spire]

81%

[errant swallow]

Wut

[keen spruce]

wut wut

[errant swallow]

I want some rage now, I've been using vers.

Simming

[keen spruce]

your RL will yell at you

oh just for simming

[errant swallow]

Yeah, for farm night

Not prog

[keen spruce]

[errant swallow]

Good morning fellow assassins.

[errant swallow]

Can you please share link? Want to check something

[keen spruce]

@errant swallow
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/k8aERE3dZPSzjeBxWLsAeB

[gaunt moat]

i checked, it's like 150 dps increase for me. but uh.. 5000g for that enchant for very little gain.

[keen spruce]

that's line one sneeze during a pull

or garroting 1 global early

[austere fulcrum]

Wafting is not simmming higher for me, i have 1500 haste. Might be the reason idk.

[keen spruce]

same

[austere fulcrum]

I just hit 49% crit with buzzings

Feelsgood

Have 7 gems xd

[royal lantern]

and haste is also shity for m+

like

sorry nah, not going 2x haste lol

[gaunt moat]

not even one is really worth it from what i'm seeing

[gusty mirage]

Essence

[keen spruce]

[gusty mirage]

[woeful meteor]

Essence has to on a sim bait lvl close to pre change whispering icon

[gusty mirage]

People are simming it with all other buffs

When I highly doubt they have every single buff in their raid

[keen spruce]

our raid has all other buffs

[gusty mirage]

You have someone who took obsidian?

[keen spruce]

or will by the time i get an essence

[gusty mirage]

[keen spruce]

we'll make a tank or healer get it

[woeful meteor]

We havent even dropped 5 yet

[gusty mirage]

“Or will”

Good meme brother

[keen spruce]

we have angry brazillian GM

he will make sure we have our boofs

[woeful meteor]

nvm think we actually have 5 now, by forcing tank on bad ones

[gusty mirage]

@bleak sky is your GM?

[woeful meteor]

saw that in a log yesterday

[bleak sky]

Why are you pinging me in this Godforsaken channel

[woeful meteor]

how can someone be that lucky

[keen spruce]

[gusty mirage]

Shmeeps is saying your his GM

[bleak sky]

[keen spruce]

you're

[gusty mirage]

On mobile, get over it nerd

70% mastery havin ass

[gaunt moat]

I've only ever seen ONE drop for us so far 🥲

[woeful meteor]

was a rashok wipe where he died at 6 min, but 3min uptime

[keen spruce]

i can't audit accurately cuz a few people aren't usin it until we get all buffs

[gusty mirage]

@woeful meteor can you make banana lizard die so I can be done with the tier pls

[gusty mirage]

You’ll never get anyone to take obsidian though

lol

[woeful meteor]

Tank

[gusty mirage]

Why would they

What does crit do for prot pally

[keen spruce]

make the raidbots scientists make a "all but obsidian" sim option then

[gusty mirage]

Haste or mastery would be infinitely better

[woeful meteor]

got forced on brew already can force him on more shit he doesnt want

[gusty mirage]

Actually wild

[keen spruce]

we have 3 equipped rn

possibly more in bags

[gusty mirage]

@keen spruce are you on zskarn now

[keen spruce]

no

we suck

[woeful meteor]

Think I haven't heard someone sound so depressed, while raiding before. I wonder why we are disbanding soon

[gusty mirage]

[keen spruce]

mage DC'd on like 6 pulls

[gusty mirage]

Well good news for you

Nelth is free as fuck now

And will likely get nerfed again

[keen spruce]

yeah but what about zskarn

[gusty mirage]

Tweet at Jonathan Newsham on twitter bro idk

[woeful meteor]

This is what top tier performance looks like

[keen spruce]

and RL wants to keep reclearing

after we kill rashok

[gaunt moat]

I feel that.

[gusty mirage]

That’s actually not a terrible idea

Rashok trinket is enormous for healers

Will make life significantly easier for you guys moving forward

[keen spruce]

i think they pretty much all have the heroic or normal one

[gusty mirage]

Wait until Sark

P1 just anally pillages the raid

[keen spruce]

they do all have one

[blazing jewel]

Go to bed

[gusty mirage]

Its 11am

Tf you mean go to bed

[keen spruce]

I forgot to go to bed

[gaunt moat]

if only people couldn't concentrate for 6 minutes straight.. (says the rogue that gets hit by every lava wave, but is immortal, cause rogue.)

[keen spruce]

i have raid in 4 hours tho i can't sleep now

[gusty mirage]

What

[deft flicker]

Go bedge duck man

[gusty mirage]

Why do you raid at 3pm est on a Sunday

[keen spruce]

cuz europeans

[deft flicker]

Raiding while sleep deprived is a bad idea

[gusty mirage]

[keen spruce]

our RL is a brazillian transplant in portugal

and half our raid is in western europe

[gaunt moat]

same, raiding in 3:30 hours

[keen spruce]

yeah but you're in EU

[gusty mirage]

Bro ain’t no way you’re raiding with a bunch of Europeans in NA

[gaunt moat]

oh you're not?

[keen spruce]

no i just don't sleep

[gusty mirage]

Why would anyone willingly choose to beta test patches

[gaunt moat]

wew.

[keen spruce]

I'm in Oregon

[gusty mirage]

Wtf

[gaunt moat]

I mean, raiding 3pm sounds kinda nice

[keen spruce]

yeah i mean sat/sun noon - 3pm

ain't too bad

i just can't go on trips

[gusty mirage]

Yeah except he’s 3 hours behind me

[blazing jewel]

What’s wrong with that

[keen spruce]

and there's almost no west coast guilds

so if i ever get a job i can't really play on EST times

[gusty mirage]

Go kill banana lizard

[keen spruce]

during the week

[blazing jewel]

[woeful meteor]

Isn't getting 10 Europeans how you win rwf?

as NA

[gusty mirage]

No you drop Ben

He was the problem

Remember?

[woeful meteor]

Or like try to win in every other esport

Didnt he just quit

[keen spruce]

@desert iris how do you manually adjust secondaries in sims

i wanna check without obsidian

[gusty mirage]

Bruh

I’m laying in bed

You do your own science

[keen spruce]

it's 11am

[gusty mirage]

This is my Sunday morning ritual I send stupid TikToks to people and lay in bed until about noon

Right now scana is the lucky recipient

[keen spruce]

okay i research

[blazing jewel]

Define luck

This is a skill based game

[gusty mirage]

[keen spruce]

wait hol up

if i use advanced tool

https://tenor.com/view/well-brian-baumgartner-the-office-gif-13906747

[spice spire]

shmeeps, professional sim cooker (falsifying sims)

[keen spruce]

this is 80% rage

very ethical

[spice spire]

[keen spruce]

[gusty mirage]

you should run it on magmorax

gonna have a blast on that fight w/ corrupting rage

[woeful meteor]

I never checked was is uptime on magmorax

[gusty mirage]

it's not even about uptime

he'll die

lol

[tacit otter]

even with being an alch?

[gusty mirage]

you're pretty much always on the verge of dying on that boss

[gray hazel]

Have any of you been able to replace the onyx ring yet?

[gusty mirage]

you just rot

adding any kind of extra incoming damage is kinda griefing

[teal iris]

[gusty mirage]

some people have, really depends on the rings you get

higher ilvl rings, esp w/ sockets beat it

[gray hazel]

does it have to be 447?

[gusty mirage]

441 with socket should be enough

[tacit otter]

i replace mine when i use crit flask, with verse its still onyx

[gray hazel]

gotcha, i have some 441s, but no socket yet

[spice spire]

441 without socket is working for me rn

But the extra heals are nice ngl

[gusty mirage]

I can't get my profile to drop it

at all

[spice spire]

It took 447 freehold with socket + 441 nelth ring

Granted I don’t have bomb dispenser or beacon, idk if that would affect at all

[blazing jewel]

Loot the good trinkets

[keen spruce]

I normally run vers on prog fights

but I was doin science yesterday on rash

[spice spire]

Good trinkets have to drop first

And I have to be ethical

[blazing jewel]

[cunning nest]

Yes, but the change is still Not THAT Bad defensively cause of more hp

[silk bane]

i wish I was lucky

[gusty mirage]

[vapid sierra]

Opened my disc to this

Isn’t like both bis rings at 447 only 0.2% ahead?

I’m happy we don’t replace onyx, one less gear slot to worry about

[keen spruce]

I yeeted annulet week 3 to 441 rings

for about 200dps

[deep totem]

My 441's dont have sockets, but the 2 437 socketed rings sim higher than one with annulet for me

[dark token]

is sin hacking https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/1LK2bY8PD6EHxWaYxX4fnh i do more dps in sin with my sub gear then i do with sub

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/npkf763XjeWxvJEsJtXJWp

[gusty mirage]

it's almost as if it's gotten a 5% aura buff in the last week or two or something

[dark token]

ye but wouldnt expect it to do more st with full crit/vers gear

[limber lion]

As if the stat choices would account for 6k dps

Also what "full crit/vers gear"?

One crit vers ring and a hat?

lol.

[grim tangle]

literally has more mastery than vers

[fading mason]

hold deathmark on experiments or just sent it on pull?

[gaunt moat]

hodl

but depends on your strat

[fading mason]

ok if we hold wouldnt kingsbane be an option

[gaunt moat]

we hold dps so later 3rd boss ability will be delayed

[gaunt moat]

I don't see what does that have anything to do with holding DPS

[fading mason]

cause u would be able to sent kings bane on pull and when the other on reaches 50 u would be alble to sent the 2nd kings bane with lust

was just an idear

[gaunt moat]

Why would i want to use kingsbane on pull? I'm holding DPS

[fading mason]

it has 1 min cd

that should come back again atleast for my guild

[gaunt moat]

sure, but i'm still holding dps, i'm not using any CDs

[earnest remnant]

full send

[gaunt moat]

I mean, you were asking about holding DPS. changing to a worse talent isn't really the way you hold DPS. you just don't attack boss.

[fading mason]

a i think u ware talking about 2 diffrent things

[deft flicker]

Kingsbane needs like a 50% buff to be on par with DTB (a completely passive talent) assuming perfect usage. I don’t think holding cooldowns will be that big of a change

[gaunt moat]

So what are you asking? if you use Kingsbane will you do more DPS if you won't hold? then the answer is no.

[tacit otter]

more simpler answer is, dont play kingsbane ever. 🙂

[dark token]

ring(heavy vers), hat, weapons, tier choice

[wide ridge]

kingsbane baseline when

[fading mason]

would be the best ever

but kingsbane and dtb would be to good together i guess

[grim tangle]

delete dtb problem solved

[gusty mirage]

true

make us do less than tanks

[dark token]

why kingsbane baseline

dtb baseline

kingsbane in talent

[gaunt moat]

@keen spruce wth, both our shamans absent today

[deft flicker]

Move kb from choice with dtb to choice with dm

[royal lantern]

not sure if trolling or just not having any clue rn mate

[deft flicker]

Yes (probably the latter)

[royal lantern]

allright

lets say it that way

what you bring up there would be the outlaw version of "make BtE a chose1 talent with RtB"

nah, not RtB

restless blades

[keen spruce]

[deft flicker]

Oh

[keen spruce]

i took an 1 hour nap

it was mistake

[gray hazel]

I dont get how the dragon bomb trink is so much better than beacon, when one cast of beacon does more damage than all of my bomb damage over a 5-7min fight

[deft flicker]

I think I should stop cooking for a bit. That sounds cursed (maybe too cursed)

My idea was to have like a 1min vs a 2min (like shadow has void eruption vs dark ascension) with them interacting with different parts of toolkit. But now it sounds like “AR vs KS” choice for outlaw, which is… yeah

[timid wedge]

Did the APL recently change, the opener is completely different now in the Sample Ability Log?

[keen spruce]

main stat

[keen spruce]

it's slightly different

i'm still just usin the old one

very marginal difference i'd assume

[timid wedge]

Yea fair, spec was already blasting on memerax, so can't be a huge difference 😛

[keen spruce]

well depends on what you mean by recently

like are you still playing exang?

[timid wedge]

This week, changed after the buffs.

[keen spruce]

[timid wedge]

Heh no, I read the pins.

[keen spruce]

yeah so i think it's something like gar-snd-er-ruptures-sepsis-etcetcetc

[gray hazel]

That does make sense, thanks!

[timid wedge]

Don't think I'll ever go back to an Assass with Exsang tbh, it just doesn't flow for me.

https://i.imgur.com/VKcsGIm.png

[sweet dawn]

My toxic trait is using Bomb and Bacon even though it sims like 1k below my 441 Dice + bomb

Cus I like seeing the 1mil crit

[proper tapir]

We feel the same way

[timid wedge]

I remember that 100% haste build in Nyalotha, that was neat.

With exsang, but after the change, bleh.

[sharp lichen]

Someone can show me what do my dmg?

Only dot

or evenom is my spender?

[vagrant hearth]

i have few questien about deatmark so do i need to apply bleeds after i put deathmark or do they count if the targets has already bleeds on

also got the irideus when is the best time use it in opener

[tacit otter]

bleeds get updated dynamically, so bleeds applied before DM get doubled

[tacit otter]

with DM

[vagrant hearth]

ok makes sense before or after mark

the trinket

[tacit otter]

macro it to DM

[grim jay]

does numbing stack with the warlock curse?

if someone knows

[royal lantern]

yes

it does

[tacit otter]

yes it does, atleast thats how i know it

[royal lantern]

but you will never find a warlock that is using curse of weakness

[vagrant hearth]

where i can find that macro? or can u tell it to me

[grim jay]

I was pretty sure it doesnt stack

actually

[keen spruce]

#showtooltip deathmark
/use 13
/cast deathmark

put trinket in first trinket slot

[vagrant hearth]

ty!

[limber lion]

If you really want to macro the Fragment (which I generally don't recommend), I would use /use Irideus Fragment instead of /use 13

If you ever change trinket order or use a different trinket, the macro would butcher it

But if you specify the trinket by name, you can never go wrong

[vagrant hearth]

i can also play without macroing it just need to know do i use the trinket after or before pressing mark

[limber lion]

Together with it, if anything it's better to use it after

If you can't do it at the same time

As long as Deathmark, Sepsis and Shiv are all up, then you're good

[visual shuttle]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[ocean wolf]

4% rashok wipe

:(

[gaunt moat]

we just had a 2.5% wipe

[visual shuttle]

we just killed it

[gaunt moat]

grats!

[visual shuttle]

ty! ^^

[balmy condor]

It does

[gaunt moat]

we just wiped... to 31k hp.

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[steel ridge]

zskarn is ded

fuck that boss man