assassination

[prisma monolith]

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[gusty mirage]

could've been dealing with a mechanic

[limber lion]

Because his Sepsis garrote is still running

[gusty mirage]

or that yeah

[eternal vortex]

he used sepsis on cd

at 1.35

[limber lion]

Sure and when did he garrote after the sepsis

[eternal vortex]

1.36

[limber lion]

Could be 1:54

No

Second onw

[eternal vortex]

ah

ye okay sorry

[limber lion]

It literally was 1:54

Lmao

Had to go check myself

[eternal vortex]

ye mb

sorry

i replied immediately

[gaunt moat]

from yesterday?

[pure comet]

Is this true?

[limber lion]

Sunday

[pure comet]

Does anyone know?

[limber lion]

I wonder if the pins knew

If we only had a place to put that information in

But yes

[pure comet]

Sorry, but who check pins in discord

I'll take a look

[limber lion]

Lol good one

[keen spruce]

they were posted sunday

[gaunt moat]

so not the most recent ones

those are private (they are paranoid about poaching)

[limber lion]

Poaching someone on Rashok?

Like 8 weeks into the tier?

Interesting

[gaunt moat]

They had member getting poached last tier. i i agree it's dumb.

[limber lion]

Every other log is still public though

[gaunt moat]

i see i did have one try we reached 6:40 at the fight, and in that one anulet did damage.

that try i had 111k dps

which i still kind low in comparision to a non-buffed sin

i dunno if it's also becasue fragment is bad

on that try i also had 19 CPs wasted through seal fate

[limber lion]

Well from Sunday's logs you have quite a few minor rotational things as well

But yeah Frag ain't helping ya

[gaunt moat]

Yes, i did the opener wrong on sunday

[limber lion]

Like you're doing Sepsis - Shiv - Gar in that order pretty much always

Not even the opener

Opener is whatever

[gaunt moat]

does it matter if you shiv or garrote first?

[limber lion]

Yes becausr if you Shiv first, you won't have Shiv up for the last Sepsis explosion

That's why you Sepsis - ABILITY - Shiv always

So opener is Sepsis - Deathmark - Shiv

Otherwise Sepsis - Gar - Shiv

Sepsis is never followed by Shiv immediately

[gaunt moat]

omg, i thought shiv lasst 10s

it's 8

[limber lion]

Not anymore

[gaunt moat]

ok yeah i see your point now

[thin scroll]

guys, can I just macro anvil to my multilate and forget about it?

[gaunt moat]

but does garrote before shiv actually delays shiv by 2s?

[limber lion]

Then on sone pulls you were wasting garrote and mutilate cps for whatever reason

[limber lion]

Rogue GCD is 1s

So Sepsis 10

Gar 9

Sepsis 8

GCD is always 1s

You simply cannot press Shiv any faster and mess it up if you use one ability in between

[gaunt moat]

Well that's something i can defintely fix.

[thorn fjord]

Yeah

[limber lion]

And idk why you're wasting muti cp sometimes

[thin scroll]

nice nice

[limber lion]

Never Mutilate at 5-6 CP

[thin scroll]

thanks

[gaunt moat]

That's just unintentional

if it happens

@limber lion @keen spruce
Alright yesterday logs has been rleased from jail
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/hKkdjqC8TL3afD7W#fight=10&type=damage-done

[strange python]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

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[gaunt moat]

But I will warn, i made a real dumb move and removed my ambush from my bar while in stealth at some point.
i realized at the last pull that was not smart.

[keen spruce]

why is WFT uptime so scuffed

[gaunt moat]

looking at sepsis damage, whyspir's did 20k more (again, he was pre-buff)

[limber lion]

This should say "X - 0 - 0 - 100 - 0"

Wasting 300 energy with tea sadge

[gaunt moat]

yeah i can be more careful with that

[limber lion]

Vim is the only one that should be wasting energy, tea at 100 or less because of opener

Everything else at 0

[gaunt moat]

lsat pull (18) was close to that

[spice spire]

I’m also seeing the forbidden cp waste

[keen spruce]

it says your sepsis did more dmg

on the pull you linked

[spice spire]

Less impactful than the energy tho

[gaunt moat]

probably moved out of it's range sometimes, or he didn't spawn a new one fast enough

[limber lion]

Constant gaps in garrotes and ruptures

Why don't you use pandemic

[gaunt moat]

i jsut linked a random pull in the log, i'm looking at the last one

[keen spruce]

your 3rd deathmark wasn't in execute

oh it was on the last one

last pull it was*

[gaunt moat]

that's also not up to me, i have to use them asap, or i won't get a 4th one on that fight. so if raid damage was too low, he won't get to execute for 3rd.

[keen spruce]

yeah i know i'm just sayin

[limber lion]

Answer my question as well

[keen spruce]

if boss high damage gonna be bad

[gaunt moat]

Can you show me the gaps?

[keen spruce]

seems like your envenom casts are low

[limber lion]

Do you know of pandemic?

[gaunt moat]

yes i know of pandemic

[keen spruce]

many gaps

[tacit otter]

im currently at rashok prog, best pull was like 10% so we are easily in kill range next raid day. can someone give me their opinion on whispyr execute build vs normal build?

[gaunt moat]

I think those gaps are when i let empowered garrote run out

[keen spruce]

that big one isn't

[tacit otter]

i've been playing the execute one, but no one else plays it lol

[limber lion]

I don't think so because there's literally like 20 of them every pull

[keen spruce]

some emp garrotes getting clipped

but i think analyzer might be very strict about sepsis timing

so these might not be a big deal

annulet also low rolled

on last pull

or mid rolled*

[limber lion]

There's nothing super major

Just some tiny minmaxing to be had

Energy thing is pretty bad, others honestly kinda whatever

Spam your buttons more, use tea at low energy, shiv after 1gcd afger sepsis

And you'll be fine

[keen spruce]

jesus fuck

a baby bird

just flew into my screen on my open window

and he's just sittin here like a foot from me

[storm forum]

pics pls

i love birds

[keen spruce]

Scared tf outta me

[earnest remnant]

doesent work this time either shmeeps

[pure tide]

smh dead talent and wont get touched until rogue rework happens

[gaunt moat]

I think the point about shiv is something i should 100% fix.
be more careful on tea.
The garrotes, I'll keep a closer eye on why that happens.

Low damage envenoms though... what do you think could cause that? i envenom at 5-6.

[pure tide]

they killed the spec

[storm forum]

???? buddy thats some low quality dooming

[limber lion]

Envenom damage is 100% not something you should care about at all

Does not matter

[pure tide]

big poison dmg

[keen spruce]

your envenom casts are pretty much all at good cp

total number on the low side for some reason

could just be luck tho

mutilate crits and landing on ER empowered cp numbers

[gaunt moat]

I think they are consistently at low side.
one reason i can think of, is that i get to 4CPs often

[keen spruce]

sometimes good sometimes bad

[subtle stream]

Omg don’t murder me for this. What empowers garrotes?

[gaunt moat]

KILL HIM

[keen spruce]

sepsis and vanish

[limber lion]

Stealth casts

[keen spruce]

murder

[limber lion]

Improved Garrote is the talent

[subtle stream]

Thanks.

Also: Can I get a rez?

[pure tide]

no

[spice spire]

Wasted energy and CP for example

[limber lion]

Like 400 energy wasted on tea/dashing and whatever is already like 4 Envenoms

[pure tide]

do i get more energy regen if i chug a monster before raid

[limber lion]

But yeah Envenom casts and damage doesn't really matter

Sometimes big sometimes low

Seal Fate do trickerinos

[gaunt moat]

Anyways, thanks for reviewing, sometimes it's good to have another eye.

[pure tide]

stay woke

[keen spruce]

you raid anymore this week?

[gaunt moat]

sunday

[keen spruce]

hopefully we kill it this weekend and we can compare

o7

[gaunt moat]

Trying to get dice until then

[keen spruce]

same

[gaunt moat]

8 FHs this week so far and didn't even see it drop 🥲

[keen spruce]

i think i'm at 6 no drops

3 socketed rings tho

and sword

and some glubs

[gaunt moat]

At lesat it's nice playing rogue on Rashok cause you litteraly CAN NOT die.

[keen spruce]

yeah very cozy

[thorn fjord]

If we're on him towards the end of raid i have a hard time staying awake lol

[keen spruce]

p3 is pretty hectic

but the rest is very snoozer

[gaunt moat]

@limber lion @keen spruce
ah one other thing i was considering.
I am feinting each slam. This might hurt the energy usage for dps.

[keen spruce]

i think you have to feint the p3 slams

or they gonna clap you

[thorn fjord]

the earlier ones dont hurt

But they have me cloaking the first one

[keen spruce]

i run nimble fingers tho

cuz i like chuggin my juicebox

[thorn fjord]

They have medicine for that

[keen spruce]

and feinting

[gusty mirage]

yoinking that for my soundboard

[kind ether]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

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[distant birch]

How much garrot did you spend when sepsis is on? 2? One at the start then a second when the buff came out ?

[tacit otter]

you wanna do sepsis gar shiv, and then when the 2nd buff of sepsis triggers you wanna delay the use of that buff as long as possible to maximize pandemic

[distant birch]

Then gar at the end ?

[tacit otter]

yes

you wanna use gar like 98% of the time to consume the sepsis buff

[keen spruce]

the only exception is if your current empowered garrote will last until boss dies

then u can ambush

[distant birch]

Aight

[keen spruce]

or ignore that rule completely and never notice a difference

[gaunt moat]

@keen spruce I'm looking into the WF
it seems like it usually has big gaps between 1:55-2:30
which coincides with rashok going to the middle to power up.
I'll ask my shaman what's up with that

(It's also exactly when i use my DM )

[keen spruce]

he's probably just not recasting it

cuz it lasts 2m

[gaunt moat]

does it have a CD?

[keen spruce]

idk

but it can have 100% uptime iirc

if he just puts a new one down at 2m lol

ye

he just needs to not forget to use it

[gaunt moat]

He's not the most skilled player, and i think new to shaman. so it's very likely he forgets.
and it's very unfortunate he forgets when I use my DM.

[somber sparrow]

I got a heroic version out of the mythic+ world quest last night. Heaven-sent

[stiff geode]

https://tenor.com/bSheV.gif

[gaunt moat]

It's almost impossible to craft rank1, so whoever posted it, saw that it's rare, so thought price was high

[agile osprey]

[stiff geode]

😄

I'm gonna finally make these boots and patch and then they gonna get nerfed or fall out of favor 👀

[random arrow]

Gunna ask yet another stupid question

I should not care about my dps while leveling
Correct?

[turbid heath]

can i find the new spec anywhere?

w/o exsang?

[limber lion]

Huh?

[tacit otter]

i think he means build instead of spec

[turbid heath]

build my bad

[frigid kestrel]

!whispry

[mortal tusk]

It's in faq

[frigid kestrel]

Jesus I can’t spell

[mortal tusk]

Sepsis w/o exsang

[frigid kestrel]

!Whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[frigid kestrel]

@turbid heath here ^

BMQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIFJSCiQJBAAAAAAQSAkIAAAAAAASDJOQJJkkkkWKJikQCRiFE

[turbid heath]

hmm

failed to import loadout

Anyone else getting this?

[limber lion]

I mean it's the same shit, you just temove exsang

Pins

[echo geyser]

have u played / killed last boss yet cev?

[gusty mirage]

cev's a casual andy now ram

[limber lion]

I'm a casual gamer

[gusty mirage]

he's like 424 ilvl

[limber lion]

I've killed it on hc if that's something

[echo geyser]

[limber lion]

:D

[gusty mirage]

[echo geyser]

nice

[gusty mirage]

cev rn

[limber lion]

But my guild is rank #29 or something

Gaining ranks after I left

[oak sky]

🐏

[limber lion]

I was the issue all along

[oak sky]

Daps and friends fiending for recruits

[echo geyser]

i wonder how sin plays on last boss

sub seems very underwhelming atm

[wraith mantle]

do we still run exsangiutate for m+ or no due to the bug/issue with it?

[dense fox]

So I am use to Outlaw rogue but I am making the switch to AssAssination. in AssAssination, when do I use Vanish?

[echo geyser]

[ashen rover]

#assassination-faq has your answers (depends on your build)

[spice spire]

[echo geyser]

[keen spruce]

[limber lion]

Apparently good for boss dps, the haste buff also helps assa quite a bit more than Sub.

But obviously Assa not that good for adds so

[echo geyser]

im doing 0 add dmg too

its only storm

no bp specced

[limber lion]

Might as well go Assa then

[whole girder]

Hello quick question : if i have a blindside and sepsis proc at the same time and that i ambush, which buff is going to be consumed first ?

[tacit otter]

blindside first

[subtle stream]

Is it worth it to go down just to keep the haste buff?

50% haste and 100% speed at 10 stacks, yeah? On sark

[main vessel]

WoWA doesn't support Sepsis yet, still waiting for Whispyr's PR

[balmy condor]

Not on purpose no

[balmy condor]

Too many things

[gusty mirage]

penis rodeo?

[main vessel]

I wasn't invited

[gusty mirage]

damn bro

whispyr's changed

[tacit otter]

i also saw in one of my logs on wowa the prepot buff uptime was displayed as if i had it the whole fight

[spice spire]

[main vessel]

if you have a link and some more details, I can take a look

[tacit otter]

Heres the Link to the one i noticed it on: https://wowanalyzer.com/report/73T2WKdvgtZfFCxY/35-Heroic+Magmorax+-+Kill+(2:30)/Eyxx/standard/timeline

The Prepot line doesnt stop after like 30 secs, its continues till the end:

same with DM as i just realized, or am i reading the graph wrong?

[balmy condor]

The timeline shows the cooldown

Not the duration of the effect

[bleak dove]

i don't remember if this was asked but what we running for m+ instead of exsang

nvm

pins

[balmy condor]

[tacit otter]

ah that makes more sense then, thank you

for what could that be usefull? seeing the cd instead of the duration?

[balmy condor]

Many classes should be casting things on cooldown

You can’t control durations

But you can control when you use them

Makes casts more readable in terms of holding/not holding

[tacit otter]

i see, i completly read the graph wrong

[distant birch]

this one is bis for assa right?

[limber lion]

technically yeah

but depends on the profile

[distant birch]

I should sim yup

I have bomb and elementium atm

[keen spruce]

bomb > class trinket=beacon=sometimes dice for mook and i

and anvil pretty okay too

looks roughly equal to dice for a lot of sims i've seen

[tacit otter]

for me essence (+ all allies) is higher than beacon and nelth trinket

but requires your raid to have all

[misty holly]

Chromatic Essence also will be getting a small buff with the 10.1.5 mythic upgrade

[stiff geode]

Any info on how much more damage the toxified patch brings with the toxic boots?

Still using Lariat and not sure how to sim if it's worth switching just yet.

[gusty mirage]

send me your simc input

I can help ya out

[stiff geode]

in dm?

[keen spruce]

oh yeah i haven't even looked at essence in a while

stat stonks

[agile osprey]

Dude no!! Dice enthusiasts need to stick together

[keen spruce]

well i can farm dice

i'm still like -500 on the essence list

[tacit otter]

especially when you use crit flask you can swap of so many crit items and get good increases

[balmy condor]

It’s like 2% over lariat I think

[tacit otter]

• gems etc

[balmy condor]

Lariat is dogshit

[misty holly]

I'm never replacing Dice. It gives me just enough of an Outlaw feel when I see that animation go.

[stiff geode]

Appreciate the replies, I am still fully gemmed and wearing old pieces, just a casual Andy, guess I'm not really using my sparks for nothing else, might as well go in on the toxic stuffs.

[teal iris]

4 sparks next week

cant go wrong with boots+patch

[echo geyser]

hello whispyr are u on last boss yet

[keen spruce]

uhh

so 441 chromatic essense is simming +1000 dps for gear compare

[echo geyser]

u w0t?

[keen spruce]

but 444 only simming _700

[echo geyser]

buggy

[keen spruce]

+700 on droptimizer

[spice spire]

Sim it on top gear then

[tacit otter]

usin the all allies thing?

[keen spruce]

can you do that with a thing u don't have?

[gusty mirage]

ramfam asking everyone except me

[spice spire]

Yes

[gusty mirage]

[tacit otter]

trinket2=,id=203729,bonus_id=9409/6652/9334/1495/8767 try that

[lavish wagon]

hey guys for bomb dispenser trinket u macro it or use alone without macro?

[spice spire]

trinket1=ominous_chromatic_essence,id=203729,bonus_id=1498

It’s just this

You can place it in your bags in the sim.
Just press enter after the last thing and type:
trinket1=ominous_chromatic_essence,id=203729,bonus_id=1498

[keen spruce]

and that's crit + all buffs?

[spice spire]

No but you can adjust that below on top gear silly

[keen spruce]

oh yeah

standby

[keen spruce]

idk why i asked i was literally just messing with those 2 min ago

okay top gear aligns with gear compare

droptimizer lookin a little confused

[echo geyser]

hello oxi are u on last boss as sininator specilization

[keen spruce]

oh nv

m

i had beacon in slot 13 so it simmed it critting twice

cuz reasons

[echo geyser]

wat?

[distant birch]

Is elementium 441 over leg 444 i'm confused @_@

[echo geyser]

[keen spruce]

if I sim beacon in trinket slot 1

it always crits twice in 5 min patchwerk

if i put it in 2

it always crits once

[tacit otter]

ram when sin streams?

[gusty mirage]

ram forgot about me

[spice spire]

Is anvil over what?

[tacit otter]

thats why you ignore his message? haha

[gusty mirage]

I was simming something for someone

ram's a better gamer than me

my skills were utilized elsewhere

plus he never asked me!

[tacit otter]

he got ignored by whispyr and by you

[keen spruce]

[tacit otter]

and what about this? @gusty mirage

[gusty mirage]

oh god

I'm a terrible person

@echo geyser I'M SORRY I LOVE YOU

we kill echo tonight, then if I'm in on sark I will be playing assassination

[echo geyser]

very nice

u let me know how it goes

@gusty mirage nation

[gusty mirage]

anything for you ❤️

[distant birch]

Neltharion boss raid legendary

sim lower :<

[spice spire]

Sim smarter than man because smart man made sim

[balmy condor]

Savior burn character check

[echo geyser]

mihile or nightwalker unsure

[balmy condor]

Night walker kinda based

I know @split maple a mihile enjoyer tho

[split maple]

Yeah Mihile is cracked. They're getting a slight nerf in Savior but it's only on their attack skill, but Royal Guard's damage is the big one and it's not nerfed so it's good.

[burnt star]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[split maple]

Also Ram I know how much you like big gamba, and if you get CD skip inner you get to big gamba on mihile with royal guarding stuff. big dopamine hits.

[cunning tartan]

hello, ass rogue good?

[limber lion]

Sure

[cunning tartan]

ok in m+? since u have to choose between aoe and st

[limber lion]

No

[noble ridge]

I mean shiv got buffed so it's mega good according some

[limber lion]

There is no choosing between aoe or st

You just play dtb + ic always

[limber lion]

Huh?

[noble ridge]

It was a joke

[cunning tartan]

even in raids?

[spice spire]

No

That is just an m+ reference

[spare flame]

is sub better then assa on mythic rashok for some reason I cant see?

[cunning tartan]

and st is good?

for m+

[limber lion]

No

Its ok

[limber lion]

Assa probs better now

[spice spire]

You won’t blow the walls off of your m+ st

[spare flame]

I wouldve thought so but theres zero competitive assa logs on that fight

Figured thered be a few already

[spice spire]

But you’ll definitely be good

[limber lion]

Wasn't very popular

The spec itself isn't popular anywhere

[spare flame]

yeah fair

[limber lion]

But the aura buff was a pretty big bump

Good 5-7k for most

[cunning tartan]

i mained the other 2 rogue specs at some point now i will give ass a try

[limber lion]

Heard it hurts the first few times but you get used to it

Not much of an ass man myself, but go off king

[cunning tartan]

seems kinda chill gamepaly

[limber lion]

Oh you were talking about assassination

Right

[noble ridge]

[cunning tartan]

every man is an ass man

[spice spire]

Holy, the rare Cev joke

[old jewel]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

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[cunning tartan]

how do u play echo last phase? Fok+ envenom on boss?

[keen spruce]

ngl the beacon at 3 seconds prepul vanish open is feelin pretty cozy

[balmy condor]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923750073499648/1111779196302278726/shmeeps.gif

[balmy condor]

yeh

[cunning tartan]

does fok give cp for each enemy critted?

[balmy condor]

yep

[cunning tartan]

damn thats why crt is so high up the stat prio

[balmy condor]

sure

[versed mica]

When do we use beacon btw? After dm?

[balmy condor]

usually before

[versed mica]

Bleed first then beacon?

[balmy condor]

like get gar up, rup up, beacon then dm

or you can do it prepull and then vanish

no difference, except you lose the vanish

:P

[versed mica]

But don't you hold vanish till 2nd dm anyway? Lmao

Or was that with exang

[balmy condor]

depending on kill time yeah

[versed mica]

Longer kill time = hold till 2nd dm yeah?

[balmy condor]

yeh

but a lot of the longer fights this tier

just don't let you

sark transitions at 2 min so you hold sepsis, which means you vanish earlier

similar thing on echo of nelth, you can vanish after opener and then have it up for second add

lot of bullshit

so being flexible with the vanish usually better imo

[versed mica]

The funny

I'm gonna have to dust up my assassination neurons bc it's simming higher than outlaw for me rn

[thin scroll]

Im having a ton a fun with ass, should have tried earlier

[balmy condor]

[thin scroll]

just gotta make my brain understant that sepsis give 2 stealth abilities not one

keep forgetting aobut the second garrote <.<

[versed mica]

There a sepsis wa on speed dial round here?

[thin scroll]

https://tenor.com/view/what-about-second-breakfast-second-breakfast-breakfast-hungry-starving-gif-4500607

[tacit otter]

google 'notter sepsis weakaura', its one many people use

[balmy condor]

https://wago.io/Lgy47ma7G

that one

[spice spire]

Fuhhh

Had to find it

[thin scroll]

oh, I need to steal a good garrote aura from a pack before raid tonight

[blazing jewel]

our king

[spice spire]

Sbs stan for life 😤

[thin scroll]

which pack shows when the current garrote is empowered?

[balmy condor]

https://wago.io/a4RNXiGN8

that'll do both

[brazen zodiac]

c:

[thin scroll]

much thanks

you are a wonderfully helpful person

[balmy condor]

I try

[thin scroll]

you succeed

[tall atlas]

looking through guides and stuff

but i cant see when i should be blasting bacon on sin

[tacit otter]

from like 10 mins ago

[tall atlas]

ty

i should use search

[tacit otter]

can be helpful yeah, you can imagine this question gets posted quite often

[tall atlas]

idd forget aout it just asking stuff while cev is asleep so he doesnt shout at me

[somber sparrow]

i know this is an old message but I just was catching up. Leveling is a great way to figure out how to play the rotation and just get comfortable with the spec. I usually can't just jump right into a new spec and need to experience it from a lower level and gaining the abilities over time. But some people can just get a new spec and make keybinds and somehow do great. Lol

[limber lion]

[tawny pike]

what is the opening now without exsang? Garrote > Slice > Echo > Rupture > Sepsis > Deathmark > Garrote > Shiv?

[limber lion]

No

[keen spruce]

er after that

[limber lion]

What Bio said is perfect

Except you Gar later

[keen spruce]

[thorn fjord]

So we're not holding ER till after DM?

[tacit otter]

where rupture?

[limpid moth]

The some people are those that can use addons like hekili that help them do the rotation way better than they could do if they were just starting on a spec. I can go into any dps/tank spec in the game running hekili and do great. It’s just knowing how to use tools in wow more so than anything else

[limber lion]

So Sep > Dm > Shiv ------- gar when it's pandemic

[woeful meteor]

it changed today @keen spruce

[limber lion]

No

[keen spruce]

i fogotted

eoither way i was wrong so it doesn't matter lol

[tawny pike]

When is the pandemic? I think i didn't WA that.

[limber lion]

!pd

[prisma monolith]

Pandemic takes up to 30% of the duration of a applied dot/buff and adds it to your new applied one. The duration depends on the new instance.
Example: Garrote (18 sec) can be extended by up to 5.4 seconds from an existing instance.
Note: Pandemic applies to most but not all debuffs/buffs

[limber lion]

5.4 for Gar, 7.2 for Rup

[tawny pike]

ty

[thorn fjord]

Interesting

[tacit otter]

since when?

i wasnt aware of that

[thorn fjord]

yeah thats news to me too

[limber lion]

Honestly since always but the sims haven't reflected that until recently

[thorn fjord]

i was doing gar snd beacon mut mut rupture sepsis dm shiv er env gogogo

[limber lion]

The non-exsang variant was a bit funky with some old exsang variables

Yeah and you don't want to beacon that early

[tacit otter]

i mean before exsang i did that aswell, but faq and early posts said otherwise

[limber lion]

Either pre-pull or after rup

[thorn fjord]

Does it really matter that much putting it before or after the rupture?

[limber lion]

You want all the bleeds up asap

But yeh honestly not super important

[thorn fjord]

I'll give it a try

Gar snd er rup beacon sep dm shiv gogogo

[limber lion]

I mean the only one that doesn't do it in the faq is the non exsang sepsis one for some reasln

But yeah should be gar slice er rup sepsis dm shiv

[tacit otter]

i was always weirded out why the 2 mut where there

and just did it because it was newly updated

[limber lion]

Perf

[thorn fjord]

Guess the idea behind it was to get as many empowered envenoms

but i guess it doesnt matter that much

[limber lion]

Nah we've never cared about that honestly

It's just a remnant from previous iterations

[thorn fjord]

Makes sense

[limber lion]

There's different variables for ER/Exsang sync, Sepsis/Exsang, Sepsis/Non-Exsang

So we missed the most unlikely one

Previously we would have never played sepsis or non-exsang

But here we are

Non Exsang one, yes

[thorn fjord]

if we could only go back to December and tell our past selves what this reality would be LOL

[tacit otter]

actually suprising considering how "new" the pictures etc are

[limber lion]

New?

My guy this rotation change dropped literally yesterday

[tacit otter]

the sepsis faq thingy was updated 2 weeks ago no?

ah lol

then i must've missed it, was it discussed in here or some other channel

[limber lion]

Tc channels

Will be updated everywhere at a later time

[balmy condor]

the TC stuff makes no difference to openers

[limber lion]

If ever

[balmy condor]

the whole things is super minor

[limber lion]

Rework is more likely than apl changes at this point lol

[tacit otter]

i normally follow whats going on there but i must've skipped it because i thought its all about txt's stuff

ty cev:)

[balmy condor]

the vast majority of the TC stuff was just more agressive shiv timing

[limber lion]

Yeah, talking about Fuu's contribution

Or whomever it was

That moves ER to the beginning

Whatever txt did is just extra lol

[balmy condor]

yeah

[limber lion]

#1065730164077645916 message

This one

[balmy condor]

the ER at start thing fuu mentioned

honestly cba

[limber lion]

I agree

I wouldn't make new graphics for it

[thorn fjord]

.3%

vibe

[balmy condor]

if you sim it a couple times the sim can't decide if it's 0.2 or 0.3

it's also -0.4 in dslice

so

wowee

big gains

[limber lion]

I love st sims that don't work anywhere else

[balmy condor]

hyperoptimize one specific build in one specific fight style

BANGING

[thorn fjord]

Gain is a gain

[balmy condor]

so true

the number is higher than the previous number

so you see

it's good

[thorn fjord]

Fuck yeah

Boner inducing

[balmy condor]

the only thing that matters is number bigger

very cool

[limber lion]

That's not what the doctor said when he saw my cholesterol levels

[balmy condor]

true

my doctor said a similar thing about my blood pressure

and he prescribed me 3 days not reading tc ass

[thorn fjord]

lolol

[limber lion]

Most based doctor ever

[winter gale]

So, Sepsis opener in Faq is up to date or?

[solid mica]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[solid mica]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[balmy condor]

it's fine yeah

[echo geyser]

@balmy condor savior burninator check?

[balmy condor]

[echo geyser]

sheesh inferno pupper represent

[ember mural]

🍁

[solid mica]

is it worth to take bonespike for the resets on zskarn?

[balmy condor]

nah

[supple onyx]

how dafuq am i supposed to "save 2nd sepsis for late garrote" when mutilate takes the proc?

[balmy condor]

because mutilate doesn't take the proc

[tacit otter]

mutilate and ambush on same slot in stealth/normal bar?

[balmy condor]

and you're just casting ambush from your stealth bar probably

[supple onyx]

ahh my bad ty for clarifyeing

dont have visible action bars XD

[runic hinge]

No visible bars?

This dude playing on that cinematic pov

[thorn fjord]

A true enthusiast

[craggy oak]

Hidden bars is the way

[gaunt moat]

I need to rework my WA, it didn't realize it was important to garrote before shiv.
right now it's misleading.

i'll do it now

[keen spruce]

@limber lion you said this was correct now yes?

i'm okay with this

[runic hinge]

I really like that because the very small chance you end up having to mut x3 to get your rupture up was the worst

[gusty mirage]

I really like you because the very small chance that you'd like me back

[wide ridge]

next time for sure

[runic hinge]

[tawny pike]

haha right... sure...

next time you'll roll 97 and 3 people will roll 98, 99, 100

[main vessel]

what if I put my Minecraft bed next to yours? haha, just kidding… unless?

[gusty mirage]

[nocturne hawk]

I've noticed during Forgotten Experiments if I spam stealth between phases I've been able to drop combat for a split second and restealth. Anyone been able to pin down if it's repeatable every time or not?

[marble ruin]

Oxi make scent of blood 2 point plz man I want to play bone spike in m plus it’s so fun

[tacit otter]

didnt this get fixed like few weeks ago?

[nocturne hawk]

Let me check logs, I think I pulled it off yesterday

[slim pebble]

They didn't fix it very well because I'm still doing it

[spice spire]

It used to be me

[spice spire]

I miss her (deathspike)

[tacit otter]

i just remember reading about it in some patch notes, but idk for sure

only worked for me in heroic or lower. on mythic it never worked

[gusty mirage]

on it, I'll apply for a job at blizzard to make this happen just for you

[runic hinge]

They did try to fix. But I got a stealth off between second and third bosses Sunday

[marble ruin]

Just do it man cmon

[nocturne hawk]

Sure did get it off yesterday

[gusty mirage]

bro if I could take us back to the shitty spamming fok gameplay of bfa I'd do it

and I hated that

but at least we had aoe damage

[marble ruin]

Or just put the sepsis sbs node where exsang is and chuck exsang

[main vessel]

Or, and hear me out, maybe my Yahtzee suggestion wasn’t so bad

[marble ruin]

I’m doing ok in aoe I just can’t target swap well, vp, bh mostly. It’s a shame too cause we can do really well in bh till the last boss

[spice spire]

https://tenor.com/view/listen-grizzly-we-bare-bears-headphones-music-gif-16699639

[gusty mirage]

idk if your ideas are good but I'd listen to you say them to me

[main vessel]

I’m still saving up for a good suggestion one day

[gusty mirage]

I hope it tilts quake

as long as you achieve that

I'm good with it

[main vessel]

I might need to play rogue first

[gusty mirage]

nah

apparently you DHs like doing things without touching rogue

so have at it

[main vessel]

And I cba putting myself through that

I already put myself through playing VDH, so

One cursed spec is enough for me

[spice spire]

Quakepapi (my dh) been activated

Get ready for some curse

[marble ruin]

I heard vdh is really fun rn

[gusty mirage]

that's all of our futures

tank mains

[main vessel]

Ya until they nerf the shit out of our busted tier set and we’re back to the garbage can

[spice spire]

I’m ngl. I ran a couple of keys with topple early on, and it didn’t seem very fun because he was very good and knew exactly what to do. And often that was leap tf away

Also could have been gear

Dude’s cracked tho

[gusty mirage]

must be nice to play with topple

ngl

mfer acts like he loves me

[spice spire]

I was 425 farming portals because he’s cracked out of his mind

[spice spire]

Lil bro didn’t know

[marble ruin]

Ah yea I can see that happening I’m playing with one of the top tanks on fun keys and his vdh damage is insane lol

[spice spire]

I was the bribe to get him to play

[marble ruin]

He’s scarred they are going to nerf it too

[gusty mirage]

vdh does silly damage

but so does prot pally

so idk

[main vessel]

Ya, Ahri was like “wanna do keys” and I was like “maybe”

Then Ahri said “quakes in” and I said

[spice spire]

Both aoe silences, but one is nonstop

[gusty mirage]

prot pally could do similar numbers if they didn't have to take sentinel in higher keys

[main vessel]

Prot Paladin’s kit is just absurd

[gusty mirage]

it truly is

that's why I think vdh is safe

because prot pally lives pretty much fucking everything

and shits out damage for how tanky it is

[main vessel]

VDH is broken for now, but tier is a bandaid

[gusty mirage]

the dmg buffs to prot warrior should make you feel a lil safer

[main vessel]

It’s going to be hilarious when they nerf the tier set and don’t give us buffs to compensate

[gusty mirage]

[main vessel]

Or bugfixes

[gusty mirage]

bugfixes

good one

[main vessel]

But also, Recrimination (4pc) is the single buggiest thing they’ve ever given VDH

Legitimately for 2 weeks after patch, if you had multiple VDH with 4pc, there was an interaction where each VDH caused multiplicative damage increases

So if you had 20 VDH in a mythic raid cast Fiery Brand and then press Fracture, each Fracture would do 10m damage

And you could literally one shot bosses

And currently you can steal other VDH’s Fiery Brands and extend them

Stupid fucking spec

I hate how much I love it

[spice spire]

Real

[gusty mirage]

I hate how much I love you

[spice spire]

No u don’t

[gusty mirage]

don't you have a wedding to plan for that you never invited me to?

[spice spire]

Bro?

[brazen zodiac]

:o

[covert patrol]

do i always want at least one shiv for sepsis?

[gusty mirage]

yes

and at least one for deathmark

[covert patrol]

okay, thanks

[gusty mirage]

[uncut echo]

👀

[main vessel]

[spice spire]

[echo geyser]

[blazing jewel]

[keen spruce]

how tf do you parse assas on sark

what dark sorcery are these orange parsers doin

[tacit otter]

hc?

[keen spruce]

yeah

[gaunt moat]

I think it's called padding

[keen spruce]

okay well most of the top 20 are like 9 minute carry kills

so they get 7 years of hasted execute

[spice spire]

I came close last night. Just needed one more drsthmark in the pull. Bastards…

[keen spruce]

i get it next week

[spice spire]

41% sophic uptime

[keen spruce]

i've been goin downstairs for a sec to hide from the void zone cuz i don't trust my raid

but i think i'm losin too much uptime

[quasi steeple]

So, question, are we running 1 sophic and 1 wafting instead of double sophic?

[woeful meteor]

depends on gear sim it

[keen spruce]

it's probably gonna be very marginal either way

some people likin more haste tho and wafties are out simming

[woeful meteor]

Boost run as scuffed as possible honestly

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/9nhxMGLaF8dPkQTt#fight=51&type=damage-done&start=5693986&end=6158413

[gaunt moat]

Sorry had to fix a small bug.
But sepsis WA now updated to correct usage of shiv (after garrote, to allow shiv to still be up for last tick of sepsis)
https://wago.io/Lgy47ma7G

[woeful meteor]

Imagine my guild doesnt troll here

[keen spruce]

yeah i did some diggin

very smoge

[tacit otter]

on anything below 6 min kill timer you use vanish after your first sepsis garr expire, then you sepsis + dm at 2 min, then sepsis on cd and save DM for BL. i fucked mine last reclear but its not that hard imo

[tacit otter]

i only go down when we phasing into p3

[keen spruce]

i'm vanishing on pull so i can pre beacon

i had like 2 bosses die today while casting my 2nd beacon so i started doin it

pulling the boss with orbital strike

[spice spire]

That was the juicer

[woeful meteor]

[random arrow]

thats why im kinda levelling as it
a lot of things work but im noticing one thing is that if i can GET the right rotations down early i understand the additions later like adding in the puzzle box etc

[tacit otter]

i think on that boss thats troll, because you'll never get your sepsis out at 1:30. so you have sepsis up at 2min DM (so no need for vanish). then you can easily increase emp garrote in p1 while still having vanish for ~5min DM + BL 🙂

[keen spruce]

trooo

[woeful meteor]

Since you looked at some logs when do people sepsis on sark just clicked on some random high ones before raid today and they just send at 1:30 still

eventhough half of it gets immuned

[gaunt moat]

and tips for kazzara heroic? the 2:20 kill time is cursed

[tacit otter]

play nelth hope for procs in opener and pray

[sterile perch]

are there any downsides to running assass on m rashok over sub? i sim higher but wasn't sure

[stark yacht]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[woeful meteor]

Kill time isn't that good, but if you are more comfy on sin play it the difference isnt that big. You can Sim for the specific 6:30 kill time with low time variance to compare closer

[keen spruce]

you get the first half if you rip it still

but feels bad

then just vanish DM in p2

and hold the 3rd for 5m i guess

[woeful meteor]

Ye I know more what the consensus in top logs was

Since lorggs doesnt have sepsis yet

[keen spruce]

i'm sure a lot of them are just slammin buttons

and not min maxing shit in carries

just 3 extra minutes of execute lol

[next arch]

is there a macro for ambush/mutilate

[woeful meteor]

idk we have socials to pass on loot in HC and carry those

!blindside

[prisma monolith]

Ambush/Mutilate Macro:
This should be seen as a "lazy" option, and is not recommended. It can be hard to control and requires a third-party macro addon to expand the games base functionality. We recommend ALWAYS keybinding ambush (either with a modifier, or an entirely different key)
You can macro Ambush to Mutilate using a advanced macro addon.
Further Explanation/Details:
#assassination message

[next arch]

Thanks B.

[wind condor]

12% boys

nelth dies tonight

[woeful meteor]

On what dosage of copium did you come to that conclusion ;D

[wind condor]

bruh if you get into p3 with everyone alive its a kill

that phase a joke

we went from best pull 40% to 12% in 2 pulls lol

the honeycomb makes the portals pretty easy

[woeful meteor]

Ranges feeling like bombing each other is always a possibilty but I guess post nerf that doesnt rly happen anymore

[balmy condor]

nelth is ridiculously easy yeah

[wind condor]

you on sark whispyr?

[balmy condor]

not yet

but first pull was almost 20% lower than previous best

we wiped to weakaura boss

cause we just never were in p3 before

[drifting cloud]

dont underestimate p3, the dmg intake at the end is insane

just easier to get there with both resses now I guess

[balmy condor]

I'm underestimating p3

you can't do anything about it

[wind condor]

its 100% rightfully underestimated

[dark token]

We didn't even use p3 weakauras

[wind condor]

were right fucking there

jfc

[spare flame]

does it matter whether vanish->garrote comes before or after deathmark during the pull?

guide doesnt seem to specify

[keen spruce]

you don't vanish in the opener

[spare flame]

no i know

but you sync later

[keen spruce]

if your timings are correct

you first garrote will be after your 2nd deathmark

when your sepsis empowered garrote hits pandemic

~4-6 seconds after you DM

[spare flame]

yeah i know

but you save vanish for deathmarks correct?

at 2 minutes etc

[keen spruce]

yeah you don't use it before then

[spare flame]

correct

i guess all im wondering if theres some weird snapshot shit

and whether i should vanish garrote before casting deathmark

[keen spruce]

nope you just wanna deathmark with empowered garrotes

whether that's sepsis or vainish

and since sepsis covers the opener

and the first part of the 2nd dm

you can vanish garrote after DM

but on the 3rd

[deft flicker]

Usually you have sepsis garrotes going into deathmark

[keen spruce]

you might want to delay DM a few seconds

so you can vanish garrote

and have an empowered one rolling into DM

short answer that vanish garroting before deathmark only has to happen when you don't have an empowered garrote running

[deft flicker]

So every 3rd dm, right??

[keen spruce]

idk about 4th

i think they line up again or somethin

at least vanish will be lined up so it won't matter either way

but probably

and don't delay deathmark for vanish if you're gonna lose a cast

which like... is kinda hard to know cuz it's like a 6 second delay

so maybe just ignore that rule

[wind condor]

Life is nothing but pain

[deft flicker]

4th is 6:00, so repeate the opener

[keen spruce]

ye sounds right

[spare flame]

@keen spruce thanks for the info that helped

I need a better way of tracking when I have an empowered garrote active

[peak bobcat]

do we hold last dm for 2nd pot on mag?

[balmy condor]

yes

[balmy condor]

[marble hemlock]

Just kill it or?

[thin scroll]

btw, we never pandemic an empowered garrote?

[keen spruce]

not with a normal garrote

correct

[thin scroll]

oh yes yes, important clarification

so I let it drop and refresh next gcd

[wind condor]

I feel the pain Whispyr

[balmy condor]

wipe at 0.9%

people reading their weakaura wrong

[wind condor]

You cloaking second explosion?

[balmy condor]

yeah

[thin scroll]

is it normal to lust on pull for mythic kazzara?

[drifting cloud]

yes

[balmy condor]

so painful

[wind condor]

That last 5% a diiiirty bitch

[balmy condor]

Yeah I mean

If people read weakaura

And run to spot

It’s fine

But reading is difficult

[onyx sigil]

I recently started playing sin again too and came to the same conclusion. this WA is nice: https://wago.io/Morc3MOxZ

I just added the custom trigger to my existing garrote WA and used the custom condition to indicate empowered status how I wanted

[thin scroll]

is this a good option for our class tree when raiding?

[gusty mirage]

yep

all the important stuff is there

[thin scroll]

oh thanks

[deft flicker]

Can confirm, reading is tough

[spice spire]

True

[oak sky]

is having the most disliked talent as your tag your toxic trait

[spice spire]

No, my toxic trait is letting oxi bully me by having that as my tag

[deft flicker]

That ain’t exsang

[subtle tundra]

Hot

[oak sky]

exsang is gone chief

[spice spire]

Yeah so is she buddy, move on

[oak sky]

i was rizzing this girl up today

and she said shes graduating so she wont be here next year

😭

[spice spire]

Damn

You rizzing the older ladies

[oak sky]

(1 year older)

[deft flicker]

It’s still there in the tree

And as a role icon

Idk if people hate rotten, exsang or kir more tbh

[karmic crypt]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[gusty mirage]

dw I fixed it

[spice spire]

[gusty mirage]

you're back to dtb

your 2nd love behind kb

[deft flicker]

KingBing

[balmy condor]

When bone spike role icon

For all 2 people

[marble hemlock]

who's the other one?

[balmy condor]

Quake

[nimble tartan]

neltharion has been defeated

@hollow vault this guys sin rogue beats me every boss bro

i cant handle him!!!

[balmy condor]

That guys a fraud

I’ve seen his rashok parse

What a hack

[nimble tartan]

bro cranks me

[hollow vault]

what the heck!!

exsang enjoyers on rashok

[nimble tartan]

our nelth was so sloppy the kill

hella dead at the end the execute was rampin baby

[hollow vault]

i got like 2 mechanics

[balmy condor]

@hollow vault what’s the number to beat on Monday for me

[hollow vault]

uhmmmm

[nimble tartan]

121 i think

[hollow vault]

121502 point 7

[nimble tartan]

bro crit all his beacons

[hollow vault]

false and untrue

[nimble tartan]

lmfaoo

[hollow vault]

my pull one did not crit sad

[balmy condor]

Easy

[hollow vault]

[balmy condor]

I was 123 on 0.8% wipe

[hollow vault]

okkkkk

i sent a sepsis garrote into one of the p2 adds that died v fast

[gusty mirage]

it do be that way sometimes

[hollow vault]

but it died faster with my garrote it was worth it

boss die!!

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/press-f-to-pay-respect-gif-25518803

[balmy condor]

Brother I be deathmarking adds in p2

I don’t give a toot

[nimble tartan]

woww ethical af

busta unethical mf

[hollow vault]

😈

[balmy condor]

I be playing triple zold

[gusty mirage]

you guys dont hit immunity?

[balmy condor]

With no beacon

That’s how I be

Ethical non rng gaming

[nimble tartan]

we all hold our beacons for 2nd add

like 5-6 bacons

[hollow vault]

i finally got rid of fragment for a beacon 🥹

yeah that one gets owned now

[gusty mirage]

I started DMing 3rd add because we'd hit 35%

on 4th add

[balmy condor]

Dm 3rd?

Am I missing an add

[gusty mirage]

am I smoking crack and imagining 4 adds?

[nimble tartan]

secret 4th add

[hollow vault]

secret mythical phase

[gusty mirage]

I listened to payphone

for all 120 whatever pulls

I started auto piloting about 70 pulls in

wiping to people murdering the raid with hearts

I guess DM beacon 2nd add

[balmy condor]

After gate yeah?

[gusty mirage]

yeah I was DMing nelth

but we kept hitting 35%

on 3rd add

[balmy condor]

Yeah

Okay

[gusty mirage]

seemed kinda worthless

[balmy condor]

We do the same thing then

I cloak the gate move

[gusty mirage]

p3 is my favorite

[balmy condor]

Follow nelth

Then dump on add

[gusty mirage]

I watched a warlock steal my portal

twice

same one

I watched our warrior try to do the same

and our DK

I just saved my cloak for 3rd portal or if I got silence beam

[balmy condor]

I cloak 2nd portal

[hollow vault]

same same