assassination

[dark token]

That's why I responded seriously

[cursive orchid]

Sorry my man didn't want to trigger you

I tried to meme

Next time I will add a LUL

Or kappa

[dark token]

Like lots of times when I talk about macros or weakauras some idiot is just like I play the game with base UI who needs this shit

Just get good

[wraith cosmos]

yea i just ignore that sort of talk personally

i am someone that kinda plays like that but that's a stupid argument

[cursive orchid]

Git gud is a meme

[stray sage]

people should play whatever helps them the most

I play base UI because I like it

[cursive orchid]

This thb

[wraith cosmos]

and honestly, you shouldnt bother too much with people like that, if someone asks legit advice just give it normally and ignore that, its better for you and the other guy doesnt care either way

[spice surge]

Ive played so long with my nameplates changing colours when they have my dots on them so those plater profiles just made it harder for me personally, but its still good to do if you find it helpful ofc

Saying its dumb is just stupid

[dark token]

It's really godmode to identify scary mobs in a 20 pull

[wraith cosmos]

if you swap ofc its gonna take a bit to adjust, thats normal

[spice surge]

Although i do have a profile that very very clearly emphasizes dangerous casts

[wraith cosmos]

side discussion since we're talking m+, what's your guys' average dps in keys?

[teal iris]

depends entirely on the tank and key tbh

ive done 100k in nl and 200k in freehold

[wraith cosmos]

i know, its why i ask for average ish

damn, 200k?

[teal iris]

tbf i was playing sub that key forgot this was the assa channel

[clever sapphire]

you can do 200k as assa too, if the tank only does big pulls

i hate smaller pulls as assa

[teal iris]

yea the tank was really good

[wraith cosmos]

yea, like 3 mob pulls kinda suck, as i never know if i should bother with IC or save it in case tank pulls bigger next pack

[balmy condor]

I did 175 once in a freehold

But I’m in no way good

I don’t m+ much

[clever sapphire]

https://tenor.com/view/so-that-was-a-fucking-lie-lies-lier-fake-news-fake-gif-17456767

[balmy condor]

Vault fill and that’s it

[teal iris]

[clever sapphire]

if you are not good what are we, dont do me like that

[balmy condor]

I mean m+ is a lot of practice and knowing the route and shit

I don’t have that

[wraith cosmos]

i can hit high dps on big pulls, but generally my dps in m+ keys has been 90-100k, dropping to 80 if tank pulls really small and really rarely lets me restealth

[clever sapphire]

i did 140k on bracken 19

comes down to tank and just knowing when to slam cooldowns

then there are keys where i do 80k because tank is shit

[clever sapphire]

eh you will always be good in my eyes

[balmy condor]

Thank you

My work ethic says otherwise

[clever sapphire]

unless you make exsang work again, than we are gonna have a problem

[balmy condor]

I be going down 4 hour youtube rabbit holes in the middle of my guide updates

[dark token]

My max was 220k bracken and prob average 170-180?

But I play 5man mostly except for weekly 20s

So the tank pulls large

[clever sapphire]

as long as discord is updated thats all i need

[wraith cosmos]

its hard to judge performance for me as im pretty much only sin player i know, and i pub mostly(or rather, queue up my key and hope people want to have a sin in their group)

[clever sapphire]

i dont like doing my own key, i always sign up for keys xD

[wraith cosmos]

bruh, i get devastated after 10 declines, and drop for the day XD

[balmy condor]

I don’t like doing keys, I wait for my guild mates to drag me into it

[clever sapphire]

did 3 keys last week, maybe gonna do 1 this week, can relate

but no matter what i spec into its the same result

[stiff geode]

And you get accepted??? Wow!

Kinda /s but not really, takes so long to find keys sometimes.

[clever sapphire]

i get accepted like once an hour

xD

[stiff geode]

I want to mash my head into a wall wasting time applying for keys honestly 😄

[clever sapphire]

thats when i get tired and whisper to the groupleader some bullshit so they invite me

being talkative can help getting into keys, also premade group finder helped me not sign up for keys that have a rogue already

[stiff geode]

yee I got PGF, you cannot whisper opposite faction tho right?

[clever sapphire]

yap

put in some weird ass note and whisper them

[cursive orchid]

overall damage depends on insanely many varriables

[stiff geode]

Or wait does PM work to opposite faction if you apply to group first maybe?

[cursive orchid]

from route to comp, rng etc

[normal olive]

just do it like me
sign up for 20s for an hour, get into 3 and 2 of them explode on the first and second boss

[clever sapphire]

wait this isnt an opener navi, da hell

[teal iris]

same, also used to have a filter that only showed groups with 3 or fewer if noone had bloodlust but i cant find it anymore

[clever sapphire]

how do i open to groups so i get invite

[normal olive]

it sure was a great opener to start my day yesterday

[bold lintel]

when deathmark expires we get 40% increased nature dmg but is there any indicator for it like a buff on us or a target?

[wraith cosmos]

buff on us

[clever sapphire]

i mean you can put weird code in premade group finder, i only use it to filter to max 2 dps and if im looking for specific keys

[stray sage]

on the topic of brackenhide, a pug tank said you could dodge the charge on first boss. Is this possible?

[clever sapphire]

always went behind the tank and never had any problems, no idea, didnt try

but like thats the only tank mechanic on that boss, is he really gonna complain whilst dps have to deal dmg to 3 targets, a totem, run away from a guy and kick the healing shit?

[wraith cosmos]

i imagine you can divine shield/iceblock it but dodge...not too sure

[balmy condor]

Yep evasion works

[wraith cosmos]

oh, thats a nice thing to note

[clever sapphire]

if its the same as nokhud last boss spear throw, you can run far away, as soon as he charges use shadowstep

[wraith cosmos]

does evasion work on bladestorm? i imagine not

[balmy condor]

No

[royal lantern]

tbf, i always get the fixate on me, so evasion is on cd lol

[balmy condor]

Using defensives pog

[stray sage]

evasion works on bladestorm I'm pretty sure

[clever sapphire]

cheat death is on CD for me

[royal lantern]

same things we use against all thw bleeds right

[oak eagle]

imagine not playing Sub and having 2 vanishs

[balmy condor]

Elusiveness gigachad

[oak eagle]

and just not vanishing the fixate

[clever sapphire]

i cant run that in pugs, cheat death the only reason i live half the key because healers forget i exist

[wraith cosmos]

imagine wasting a 2 min cd when you can kidney shot

[oak eagle]

talking about first boss

not just the fixate mobs

[balmy condor]

Tbh I couldn’t tell you the numbers on elusiveness

That’s how little I think of it

[clever sapphire]

does anyone seriously run it outside of pvp tho?

[oak eagle]

i would run it in NO

for third boss

because that shit was cancer

[balmy condor]

Yeah there’s some cringers that are like “ITS BETTER CAUSE THE UNAVOIDABLE DAMAGE CAUSE I NEED IT”

But most of the time nah

Nokhud was like

Reasonable use case

Everything else cringe

[clever sapphire]

so there is a group of people worse than exsang enjoyers, damn

[oak eagle]

Exsang is a shit ability

i hate it

with a passion

wish it never existed

[wraith cosmos]

see, im there with you guys

[clever sapphire]

its your lucky week, it doesnt

[wraith cosmos]

but at the same time i also enjoyed a version of it

shadowlands tier set

[oak eagle]

i enjoyed corruption exsang

[clever sapphire]

well thats not exsang

[balmy condor]

That shit was just as jank

[oak eagle]

I miss Corruption Exsang where you would have all crit amps I think it was

[wraith cosmos]

eh, i somehow ended up enjoying it

[oak eagle]

and burst for like 700k

[clever sapphire]

i enjoyed using it with sepsis on sludgefist when he charged into the wall

or upper kara first boss

when it was the dmg phase

fun times

and then leave the key, because the rest is not fun at all

[oak eagle]

lol

[wraith cosmos]

eh, i was a flag enjoyer, didnt like sepsis much

[oak eagle]

i hated Upper Kara with a passion

[wraith cosmos]

upper kara was...an experience

[clever sapphire]

upper was shit, lower was THE shit

[oak eagle]

I liked Sin Rogue pre 4 set SotFO

[clever sapphire]

i played stepsis, flag and bonespike

[oak eagle]

i also hated lower because you would have a Surv Hunter that would pull like 8 extra packs

[clever sapphire]

jumped around

didnt lose much, different playstyle in keys

was fun

[oak eagle]

wipe the group and then blame the tank for being shit, and then leave key

[wraith cosmos]

bonespike i think i tried a bit for m+

[clever sapphire]

surv hunters were the worst, every second player was a surv player

[wraith cosmos]

i swapped back to flag cause i liked trying to max my cps during it for all the buffs, as well as the fact a lot of m+ dungeons had solid single target requirements

or just a case of screw this mob in particular

[oak eagle]

i have a friend that will reroll to FoTM and i hate him so much because hes playing a new toon every .5 and .7 patch

[clever sapphire]

yap, have one too, havent talked to him since this season started

[oak eagle]

I miss S4 Outlaw with Flag and Dreadblades

wish I could go back to it

[clever sapphire]

tbh i swapped around depending on key, that was the fun part

[oak eagle]

i basically have to talk to my FoTM friend every day, because hes in my guild and on my raid team

[clever sapphire]

S3 necro greenskin outlaw in keys, big pistol shots

was also fun

[wraith cosmos]

i havent gone high enough key wise to do so, so i mostly did it on a whim...m+ is one thing where i doubt ill ever be good enough to go super high

[oak eagle]

I was playing Venth Sub still at the time

[wraith cosmos]

then again, not like im super high raid wise either

lol

[oak eagle]

and then Kyr Sub in raid

[clever sapphire]

i do my 20s, 22 was the highest i ever did i think, but still fun

[wraith cosmos]

i was a bit sad that the only anima power sin didnt get was flag

[clever sapphire]

well was fun, im bored currently, im a dragonflight hater i realised

[clever sapphire]

kyr outlaw in raid

apm over the roof

[oak eagle]

yeah I wasnt that good at Outlaw at the time tho, and hated being bottom of the barrel in raid

[wraith cosmos]

i was gonna swap to elemental before the .1 hit but then realized i wouldnt enjoy the new build all that much

[oak eagle]

dont like the feeling of being "carried"

so i just went with what I knew best which was Outlaw

Sub*

and Kyr Sub was easy

use everything on CD

do big dam

[clever sapphire]

i usually play all 3 specs, but always come back to assa eventually, outlaw and sub are like a few keys or boss trys when im getting bored

[oak eagle]

Im not a big Sin enjoyer this expac

[clever sapphire]

i realised that kyr outlaw wasnt for me, when i was raidleading mythic skolex with a shit guild

[wraith cosmos]

i remember swapping to sub one m+ run to try it...being a complete newb to it all i did was press cds and then do the shuriken->powder spam...made me really sad that's all it took to beat out my best attempt at sin aoe

[oak eagle]

I enjoyed it at the start of VotI

Sub AoE is basically Guardian Druid

[clever sapphire]

sin aoe is pull dependant, dont get sad over it

[oak eagle]

you press 2 buttons

and then you occasionally press CDs

[clever sapphire]

you press them on cooldown

ye

[wraith cosmos]

oh that was like, back in shadowlands lol, now i can do decent enough not to really care

[clever sapphire]

ah okay

i dont remember my aoe on sin from SL

i did good aoe with necro

and good boss/funnel with sepsis or flag

[oak eagle]

I think I played Sin for keys at one point during the expac

which was BTM

[wraith cosmos]

it was just managing the best way to spread dots while kinda having envenom uptime

[oak eagle]

and almost got highest Sin Rogue NA

but didnt bother pushing anymore

since I didnt actually care about it

[clever sapphire]

its hard when there is only 5

🤣

[oak eagle]

LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOO

true

[wraith cosmos]

we bout to meet the affliction playerbase

[clever sapphire]

i was realm 1 at the beginning of S2, after that i stopped doing keys because i got bored

was world 7th at one point (well week 1)

[wraith cosmos]

big

[clever sapphire]

now im probably middle of the pack

because i got 2.5 and stopped playing

also i enjoy druid tanks more than pala tanks

somehow druid tanks know what a dps wants to see

and pull accordingly

[royal lantern]

paladin tanks rn are 89% FotM andys

thats why

[wraith cosmos]

im personally a blood enjoyer

[stray sage]

what druid tanks are you playing with? most guardians I've seen are trash

[clever sapphire]

its also fun because my pala friend isnt, but he is legit brain afk and it still works

[wraith cosmos]

im probably the blood tank that your healer seeks ptsd treatment for

[clever sapphire]

my shamy heal friend rerolled to druid tank because our pala got mad when he turned neltharion lair first boss frontal into the group and we got mad at him. So i have a heal main playing druid tank

and he is doing really well

[clever sapphire]

every healer hates blood tanks, its like 100%-1%-100%-1%

[wraith cosmos]

goes to 6% calculated

[cursive orchid]

i like bdk it's easy to heal

just don't

[wraith cosmos]

this

[vapid sierra]

Trick is to watch resource bar

Not hp

[clever sapphire]

complains about getting healed, when he dies cause he doesnt get healed complains. Thats my bdk experience

[uneven summit]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[wraith cosmos]

see i just exist at a sliver of hp and if i die its because i pulled too much

[cursive orchid]

this is soooo me 😂

[uneven summit]

What phial do we use atm?

[royal lantern]

ignore them until RP is gone, then heal them for 4-5seconds, repeat

[clever sapphire]

versa

[wraith cosmos]

i watched a vid on i think shammy healer from yumi, and he got to healing blood dks and he was like, yea, their life is up to them

[uneven summit]

gotcha thanks

[cursive orchid]

yepp i know. i also have a wa that shows me DH lesser souls for the same reason

[clever sapphire]

DH is broken, healed with my priest a few keys, i was legit almost not healing my havoc dh

they got so much leech

[cursive orchid]

yesterday we i was in a backenhide and the hps meter was palatank havoc then the shaman heal

[uneven summit]

Anybody found a good amount of haste cap? can´t really figure it out, im fairly low since my sub gear has been best

[thorny garnet]

!fu

[clever sapphire]

Nope, i play what my sim tells me to

Now i have 5% currently

[royal lantern]

there are no stat caps

[uneven summit]

same

[storm onyx]

We aren’t targeting any specific %

[uneven summit]

fair

[grand trail]

@royal lantern how do you feel about buff and no exsa? 😂

[royal lantern]

good?

weird question

[clever sapphire]

The best rogue change blizzard did since talent tree rework, fucking up exsang code

[languid ferry]

should I take this over 437 beacon and 441 bomb, cuz I can't simm it can I? still bugged

[visual hemlock]

it still oversims

beacon and bomb still way better

[languid ferry]

aight ty

[limber lion]

No

[clever sapphire]

best solution is looking at the pins, there whispyr moved it to its spot, now you can tell what a 447 fragment would do compared to your bomb/bacon

[young briar]

Holy fuck that 5% buff gave me 6k dps

[clever sapphire]

yap thats like 5% of your dmg

[clever sapphire]

big boi rogue

[young briar]

Big Boiiii

[gusty mirage]

Gamer

[clever sapphire]

now lets pray you dont do too much dmg, otherwise blizzard gonna be satisfied that assa does enough dmg

[gusty mirage]

True. It’s all on you zugthug

[young briar]

Pepega

;-;

[clever sapphire]

but no pressure tho

[young briar]

Nah ofc not

[clever sapphire]

[young briar]

no pressure at all

[blazing jewel]

[supple snow]

Just use exsanguinate. Problem solved

[spice surge]

Silly rogues thinking that speccing into a talent is supposed to be a dps increase

[supple snow]

[clever sapphire]

but... but... i get my tierset proc faster, tiersetproc op right so i do more dmg?

[supple snow]

Absolutely. Best tier set.

Definitely play around that.

[clever sapphire]

i do

pressing sepsis after DM is over

pressing exsang after dm so i get the proc faster

im smart right?

[supple snow]

Genius.

Only if I could execute all of that like you.

[clever sapphire]

in dungeons i also dont take DM because i need aoe dmg, and DM is ST

[supple snow]

Let this boy cook

[clever sapphire]

shadowdance good because i can press garrote more often

and now that i dont use DM i dont need tset

because it only works with DM

[thin gate]

guys does any1 know

if when i put a socket on a crafted item

and i recraft it

it stays?

[clever sapphire]

it stays, did it with lariat

[thin gate]

cba to a buggy blizzard thingo socket loss

tyvm

[clever sapphire]

i would wait for a second person to confirm this

[vestal wren]

initially thought it was a ns joke, but realised it is about exsang

[clever sapphire]

https://tenor.com/view/happy-to-sad-sad-pepe-smug-pepe-pepe-gif-5888439

[vestal wren]

the bug possibly sees a fix, so its only a short term problem

and if it does not get fixed, it isn't like people love to use it

[thin gate]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[sweet dawn]

mfw I sim 10k lower than I did yesterday before 4% buff, explain Blizz

[vestal wren]

pins

bad news tho, you need to probably change your talents to "non exsang"

[drifting cloud]

I mean thats 1%, if youre simming 10k lower its error on your part

[echo surge]

SOOOOOOOO... Now that we do not play exsang do we still Sepsis before Deathmark???

[royal lantern]

yes...?

[ashen rover]

Dropped it in the weekly quest chest

[half island]

Nice

Hey quick question, would anything said/pinned here overwrite anything said in the FAQ?

[spice spire]

Would need specific example but yes more than likely

[gaunt moat]

pins are most updated

[ashen rover]

Check date of pins and date of last update in faq

[half island]

For example in the FAQ it says exsang with 4PC

[spice spire]

Pins over FAQ there for sure

[ashen rover]

Yea

[normal mist]

Exs is bugged so people are now running away from it

(which makes a lot of us happy)

[half island]

Got it, just wanted to make sure. And one more thing if y'all don't mind, in the graphic for openers for sepsis without exsang it says to shiv when the first shiv ends, but it doesn't show a second shiv anywhere

[normal mist]

Just shiv when the first one ends

[half island]

Got it, thank you!

[normal mist]

Always try to keep a shiv for dm and sepsis

Other than that i believe you can just send it

Unless it seems better to always double shiv on sepsis and dm, I'd need to confirm with the big boys

[limber lion]

You generally use one shiv for the non-dm Sepsis casts and 2 Shiv's for every DM

Should line up pretty well

So 2 Shiv's in the opener, then 2 Shiv's by themselves, Sepsis with Shiv then 2 Shiv's with DM after

[tall atlas]

Ty for that dev

Cev*

[thin scroll]

And you shiv right before or right after those CDs?

[tall atlas]

V useful

[normal mist]

Thanks for clarification cev

[tall atlas]

So the second shiv in the opener obv just goes after the first one ends ye

[deft flicker]

Yep

[limber lion]

Yep exactly. I personally use the third Shiv when ER comes back up so I have a higher change of doing 7cp Shiv Envenoms with tea but that's just feelcraft

Probably doesn't make a difference :P

[royal lantern]

FEELCRAFT????

[limber lion]

Hey I'm a casual gamer nowadays

I'm allowed to do some feelycrafterino

[deft flicker]

Vibecraft is the way

[scenic marlin]

oh lord is it finally happening

assa simming higher than sub for me now

[normal mist]

Welcome

Enjoy your stay with the red boys

[scenic marlin]

welcome back home to the best spec

[normal mist]

[scenic marlin]

400 dps better before optimizing gear

[normal mist]

My sub/assa sims also had a really low difference some weeks ago, i bet the difference is kinda huge rn

[clever sapphire]

and you dont have to take exsang, its the best time of the year

[scenic marlin]

yeah thank the lord

i thought they were supposed to be reworking exsang like 2 patches ago lmao

[clever sapphire]

they sure did, first 3 minute CD and now bugged so unplayable

[limber lion]

Yeh the aura buff is banging

[scenic marlin]

assa was always my favourite spec to start with. this just gives me the excuse to go back right :>

surely im allowed for the rest of mythic prog from zskarn

[woeful meteor]

how do you feel craft about this opener:
Beacon pre cast -> Vanish -> Gar -> Snd -> ER -> Rupture -> Sepsis -> DM -> Shiv -> mut(if needed) -> Envenom -> gar ->...

Getting the Beacon Channel out of the way seems kinda nice and we dont vanish until 2 min anyway

[limber lion]

Looks good to me

[clever sapphire]

whispyr had a conversation about this exact opener with rosvall a few weeks ago

conclusion was, that 1 gcd that you save mid fight doesnt change anything

[limber lion]

Yeah it doesn't really matter

But if you don't want to cast beacon during the opener, then doing this is completely fine

[clever sapphire]

it could be an increase if those 2 seconds precasting gets you another cast

[limber lion]

Could just be comfier to get rid of it

[clever sapphire]

dunno, to me it would be just like pressing box

[woeful meteor]

with the 5:30 fights that are mogmorax and zskarn getting beacon out early seems pretty valuable

idk why but Box Channel felt fine for me always Torch Channel was pretty cringe tho

[limber lion]

Yeah, accidentally cancelling the Box channel didn't completely put the trinket on cooldown

[clever sapphire]

well beacon is same as box

[glad vapor]

I am gonna rock LFR with Assa simming so high!

[limber lion]

Nice!

[half island]

🤝 LFR heroes

[gilded seal]

so are blindside procs eating sepsis buffs again

[limber lion]

No they are not

[gilded seal]

I thought they fixed that but it seems to be doing it again

[limber lion]

They did fix it

It is not doing that

I'm literally in raid atm and it's working fine

[gilded seal]

its doing it to me at the dummy

[limber lion]

Unless there's some new bug that I don't know of

[loud hearth]

Sounds like a WA tracking problem, make your WA better

[limber lion]

Can you take a gif or a video of it in action?

Don't think it should do that

I just had 4 b2b Ambush casts before pressing my Garrote

[thin gate]

where to we have the sepsis rules linked?

how to properly use

[limber lion]

FAQ should have a rule for it, but basically you use it on cooldown

[thin gate]

but the garrote after

[limber lion]

You use the first Garrote immediately and then you hold the second Garrote when it hits pandemic or just the buff ends

[thin gate]

i mean do i desync it with vanish garrote

[limber lion]

Yes, vanish Garrote is always last in prio

In opener you don't use vanish at all

[thin gate]

oh i thought vanish garrote in DM windo

cause = 5 CP

[limber lion]

You use Sepsis at 1:30 followed by the 2 garrotes

And only use your first vanish at 2 minutes with DM

[thin gate]

😮

ok ty

[limber lion]

The 5CP isn't necessarily more damage than just Mutilating normally

[thin gate]

good that i asked

but wait

is it 1:30 first sepsis?

[glad vapor]

Reg Ambush procs - I guess they have changed the behaviour so it can proc itself now

[thin gate]

or already 2nd?

[woeful meteor]

at 1:30 is 2nd

[thin gate]

ok ty

so opener should be like garrote snd garrote rupture ER rupture intho deathmark shiv envenom sepsis garrote?

or we wait with garrote hitting pandemic for first sepsis

[woeful meteor]

Blindside can proc of Ambush since SL at least like 90% sure

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/751133387905040425/1110297654820360307/03sepsis.png

[late surge]

when would you use beacon in the opener

after slice?

[ashen rover]

When do we use dragonfire bomb dispenser ?

[glad vapor]

Ok, Probably it is only my feeling then It has started to proc much more often...

[marsh grail]

@late surge

[spice surge]

@limber lion

[marsh grail]

after first garrote

[late surge]

ello

[limber lion]

Yeh, it's like 0.4% for me and 0.3% for the bis profile

[marsh grail]

@late surge garrote > beacon > continue with normal rotation

[limber lion]

But honestly makes openers and everything a bit more rng and not necessarily as fun to play

[late surge]

big pump

[woeful meteor]

I have insane blindside procs this patch aswell, but thats just rng or something broken on blizz side

[late surge]

had to hop on assa train now, cant ignore 5k dps xd

but having 0 haste is pain

[clever sapphire]

not really, there are assa rogues with 0 haste

[limber lion]

Nah

Doesn't matter

Haste is a lie

[marsh grail]

you are susposed to have empty globals from time to time

[glad vapor]

I can't be bothered to compare logs to see if it really has changed (but will probably do that :P)

[clever sapphire]

if you wanna tell me that you can feel 0 haste compared to 5% is a lie

[limber lion]

I have like 7% haste

10% haste is 1 energy per second

You won't notice it lol

[clever sapphire]

only time i felt haste was when afflicted add went through

[limber lion]

(with the caveat of bleeds ticking faster and procing VW more often, but yeh)

Yeah I mean -100% haste definitely hits

[clever sapphire]

thats like 10 energy per second

[minor gate]

another week another vault

i hope a get a trinket thats good

[scenic marlin]

say i wanted to try and mid max my crafted gear, i guess best bet would be to run 3 sims of haste/crit haste mastery and crit mastery to see the gain?

or is there an easier way to compare

[teal iris]

you can use topgear with fuu's doc

#tc-research message

[woeful meteor]

if you have it already crafted you can select recraft in top gear

for new pieces it's probably Fuu's Doc, slight chance it crashes your browser tho

[scenic marlin]

oo snap

ill have a look

[thin gate]

so guys

0% haste > 17% haste or wut

[minor gate]

https://tenor.com/view/no-money-wallet-empty-cashless-gif-16030892

[grim jay]

I mean

I picked 447 hands for catalyst

[teal iris]

tier chest?

[grim jay]

and had a socket 2 weeks ago already

its bad

[woeful meteor]

Thats a pretty nice chest tho even uncatalyzed depending on your other gear

[limber lion]

Technically bis chest

[pseudo hamlet]

bis chest lol

[royal lantern]

thats a cruel vault lmao

[minor gate]

its more like, yeah they're an upgrade but ive really got some slots really dragging

[limber lion]

Wtf I wish I had vaults like those

[gusty mirage]

I’m convinced it had something to do with the HP change

[limber lion]

I just got bracers for the 3rd week in a row

[pseudo hamlet]

Trinket is cool tbh

[dark token]

tier chest is good, trinket is good

[limber lion]

I would all of those items, except for the cufferinos

[dark token]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/485916092405907479/1113518233463558175/image.png

thoughts on this vault

[limber lion]

wtffffffff

[grand trail]

cant make WA for sepsis buffed garrote work:(

[teal iris]

????

[gusty mirage]

Extendo problems

[minor gate]

*suicidal thoughts

[royal lantern]

I KNOW

THATS WHY ITS CRUEL

[gusty mirage]

Take the chest and embrace the beacon crits

[limber lion]

Reclear, then take reward

[gusty mirage]

🥓

[royal lantern]

im a good geared trial rn, re-clear doesnt mean new stuff for me

[pseudo hamlet]

[royal lantern]

tbh, gonna do it

cus like

i have beacon+bomb

[dark token]

the m+ trinket tho

[royal lantern]

and nelth or beacon is equal, both shity rng items

[dark token]

it upgrade to 447 next patch

!!!!

[royal lantern]

m what?

[dark token]

the nelth trinket

m+ god

[limber lion]

At least bacon has the hype moments

Nelth not so much

[royal lantern]

you mean weekly 20 4x a week?

[gusty mirage]

Next patch they’ll be 16s dw

[limber lion]

And bacon won't take you out of stealth either

[gusty mirage]

[dark token]

cant wait till my reclear vault

owait

only 2 items beat a socket

[gusty mirage]

Running a 447 droptimizer for m+ was so depressing

[dark token]

its not a bad raid logging patch i guess

back to league

[gusty mirage]

It’s like, k 400-500 dps at most

[dark token]

heres my 447 WITH SOCKET droptimizer

[gusty mirage]

[limber lion]

I think every single one of those items would light up green for me

except for the tier slots

even though I have 0 tier pieces

[dark token]

gearing is pretty nice start of season

but ur like raid logging by week 3

[gusty mirage]

But still feel obligated to fill the vault

[spice spire]

If the gear drops (from raid)

[gusty mirage]

Truly tragic

[dark token]

yeah i only did it for 447 tier

worked out i guess

[teal iris]

what kinda cracked gear you got lol

[gusty mirage]

Like having to do 8 20s a week is exhausting ngl

[dark token]

i just spam 20s underrot

[gusty mirage]

I have smol pp IO

I barely get into keys

[dark token]

i pushed a little bit with 5man to get enough io to pug my weekly keys

[spice spire]

Half of my keys are 20s, the other half are 16s

[dark token]

then we are afk till like last month of season for dungeon nerfs

[spice spire]

This is not a joke

[dark token]

then push last month

[teal iris]

in 10.1.5 it's back to weekly 16s for most people i guess

[gusty mirage]

SURE IS

[dark token]

meh

[gusty mirage]

Ain’t no one catching me in a 20 after that patch

Fuck that

[spice spire]

I’ll catch you

[dark token]

id rather do 17+ for a chance to drop a natty socket + avoidance wrist or ring or something

[gusty mirage]

Already got my portals, so you won’t find me in 20s

[royal lantern]

@gusty mirage chest sims higher i go chest

dont question the sim bot

no thinking, just simming

[dark token]

batchest

[minor gate]

considering ive already got one in my bag i might just take a socket

[dark token]

you can catalyst next week

for tier chest

or socket your wrist + upgrade it to 447

[teal iris]

can't you sim with catalyst enabled for vault?

[minor gate]

ive already got all 5 slots filled so its whatever fits best really

[dark token]

im gonna be farming transmog vaults soon

so i get the tier set in every color

[teal iris]

reclear LFR for vault since it's the hardest color to get

next level

[dark token]

"bench me i need my lfr transmog vault so ill only kill sark + echo"

[teal iris]

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/gigachad-chad-gif-20773266

thats would be 10/10 based

[dark token]

While you were partying, I studied the routes. When you were having premarital sex, I mastered calling kicks and stops. While you wasted your day at the gym in pursuit of vanity, I cultivated a deep understanding of each tyrannical boss. And now that your vault is empty and the weekly reset is tomorrow, you have the audacity to come to me for a weekly 20?

[wide ridge]

how much is smol pp io

[austere fulcrum]

Gigagamer

I respect 🫡

[dark token]

If I'm making a weekly 20 I filter out everyone under 2700

To have smooth group

[gusty mirage]

Like 2700

[distant birch]

when we vanish with this build? after deathmark?

[woeful meteor]

second mark

at 2 min

[distant birch]

So you keep ur vanish before?

[woeful meteor]

yes

[distant birch]

and you use it first at 2 mn?

[spice spire]

Yes

[distant birch]

so you will mark+vanish+garrot at 2m?

[limber lion]

.

[spice spire]

Yes

[limber lion]

Yes

[distant birch]

Alright !

Thank you guys

[austere fulcrum]

Or vanish gar mark 🥹

[strange python]

Realz is back?

[grand trail]

witht the rogue rework?:D

[limber lion]

He's been around

[strange python]

Hmm

[cursive frost]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[cold spoke]

give the man a break its probably bit tough from what ive seen on other discords

and i also wouldnt count on anything 10.1.5

[grand trail]

which build we use for latest sim buffs? nighlty or latest?

[woeful meteor]

the buffs should be in nightly and latest considering they are live in NA and EU not sure about weekly since that is updated monday

[burnt venture]

What has Realz had to say about Exsang/DM being busted? Or did he have no idea either until very recently?

[burnt venture]

Assassin, the forgotten spec

We were told Exsang rework/replacement in 10.1 👀

[woeful meteor]

we werent

[burnt venture]

Then told we’d see other changes “soon” on May 12 lol

I mean sure I guess you can say we weren’t promised it… but…

[woeful meteor]

Future patch can mean 12.0

[burnt venture]

“We see this as a temporary measure as we head towards the opening of DF’s 1st season”

[woeful meteor]

the only changes we have a date for are the 10.1.5 changes which arent rly there yet, except for the law change

[burnt venture]

Sure, you’re right. But why announce you’re thinking of reworking it 2 years before you are actually going to do it. They should have known it was going to piss people off waiting longer than 10.1

[violet talon]

Where are you pulling all these supposed promises for specific patches and dates? And then you link the generic “we’ll fix it in the future” blue posts.

[cold spoke]

check havoc channel for more context

[wide ridge]

does realz talk to people like you and other big dick rogue players/community figures for feedback and whatnot?

or is that classified

[limber lion]

This

I would highly recommend everyone to stop speculating about anything

We don't like shittalking here, it's literally pointless

Even the devs are human

Life might and will get in the way of things at times, it is what it is

[lethal mortar]

maybe realz is making it so outlaw can turn into a big flying boat all your friends can get inside and shoot cannons and that's why it's taking so long because its such a big rework

[woeful meteor]

replacing adr with the boat ride from uldaman aus big cd nice

[lethal mortar]

exactly

[limber lion]

Also it's a massive company, it's likely more than a single person effort. A single dude can do so much at the end of the day.

[lethal mortar]

they are making outlaw's mastery so at 0% mastery you are human form and the more mastery you get you progressively look more and more like a boat

[limber lion]

Just stop speculating and shit talking and enjoy the game for what it is currently

[lethal mortar]

animorph-style

[limber lion]

I'm having a good time playing the Sepsis build personally

[woeful meteor]

^^

[ashen rover]

Sepsis really fun

[austere fulcrum]

Same honestly

[woeful meteor]

From the short time I play this game only sofo was more fun build wise imo

[strange python]

My issue is blizzard tbh. Blizzard made the choice to list rogues for 10.1.5 and blizzard made the choice to go completely silent. Blizzard could easily say "they're not ready" or "we needed to delay for a future patch"

Blizzards MO for years has been to communicate like a backwoods methhead, but it's still pretty obnoxious

[spice spire]

The unthinkable can happen too which causes a delay and

Devs have personal feelings and matters. In the end it’s unfortunate

[strange trail]

some one can help me with my logs ?

[limber lion]

!logs

[prisma monolith]

Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage

Link: https://wowanalyzer.com/

[limber lion]

If that doesn't help, just send em here and we can take a look

[strange trail]

my analyzer seems good, but in my core we have another rogue with less ilv, and doing almost same damage as me, alredy took a look and cant find what im doing worng

[austere fulcrum]

Wowanalyzer does not help with opener/ cd usage and when

So it might be the issue

[woeful meteor]

link log then

[strange trail]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/GhKJnLYrwgaFjmQH#fight=58&type=damage-done magmorax hc yesterday

[strange python]

I get that too, people shit talking realz are being silly and immature. But I think it's fine to be mad at blizzard for their communication.

[clear granite]

so guys, we drop exsang for master assassin, what else we drop for light shiv?

[limber lion]

IP

[clear granite]

ty

[distant birch]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/LuxthosRogueDragonflight (Luxthos's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[distant birch]

someone have a wa for tracking sepsis?

[limber lion]

Luxthos

Really good one

[tacit otter]

you talking about m+ right?

[limber lion]

Actually yeah sorry, I answered between bosses on experiments lol

But the m+ is the same as it has been, you just swap MA and Exsang

In ST you don't play MA at all

[tacit otter]

i was just wondering if he meant st because then ma is not the play^^

[limber lion]

Yep good shout

[thorn fjord]

Nice to see parsing this tier has been a lot more manageable than last tier

[limber lion]

As in easier to get good ranks or?

[thorn fjord]

Yeah

Much easier

Should hit top 100 tomorrow with our assault and rashok kills

[limber lion]

Big

[thorn fjord]

Already top for heroic but we all know how meaningless heroic is

Top 100 I mean

[limber lion]

Not necessarily

Some people never do mythic

[thorn fjord]

Bro I was inting my self so bad with the sepsis play @limber lion

[limber lion]

I'd even argue that getting R1's on Heroic is much harder because the pool is so much bigger

Even the big dogs do HC

[thorn fjord]

Didn’t have mutilate on my stealth bar so I was just holding to pand refreshes of sepsis gar lol

Like a scrub

[limber lion]

Yeah that's pretty troll

[woeful meteor]

1. Your Opener is slightly wrong check #assassination-faq
2. With double shiv you dont just shiv on CD, the right conditions are also in #assassination-faq
3. You randomly Vanish at 40 sec, you hold vanish until 2 min
   Rest looks fine at first glance

[limber lion]

I don't use a stealth bar at all

[woeful meteor]

I use stealth bar but all buttons are the same 😄

its only for the other 2 specs

[limber lion]

Yeah I don't use them even for the other specs

I just use macros instead

[thorn fjord]

Yeah I just moved mutilate to stealth bar and everything felt right again lol

[strange trail]

ty

[clear granite]

so in st u 1 imp poisons, 1 light shiv?

[woeful meteor]

light shiv and venom rush in ST

[limber lion]

What he said

[clear granite]

aight. ty

[limber lion]

It's all in the pins

[thorn fjord]

@gaunt moat when the sepsis wa goes green does that mean you have both sepsis gar and blind side amb available?

[tacit otter]

afaik its when sepsis is active and you have shiv up

or something around those lines, something with shiv

[thorn fjord]

That also makes sense

[steel spire]

bring back sepsis giving AR SB and vendetta

[thorn fjord]

lol

[sonic spindle]

So uh, I took a little break, why is sins representation so low?

Seems like so many ST fights we might shine a little brighter

[thorn fjord]

Sub is kinda cracked

[forest chasm]

if only we had more ST damage than the other specs

[thorn fjord]

But sin just got an aura buff

[ionic fox]

Sub is straight just better in ST

[thorn fjord]

So it’s vibing now

[steel spire]

assas got better legion mage tower daggers so dmg go up now

[limber lion]

It's not though

[limber lion]

Not sure if sarcastic or not, but we do

[thorn fjord]

They’re prob still behind on the updates

[limber lion]

The aura buff was a big boy buff

An easy 5k+ dps

[forest chasm]

yeah, i meant before

[sonic spindle]

I was gonna say I just saw a t30 chart and sin was simming ahead of sub

[woeful meteor]

that t30 chart is very outdated for rogue

[sonic spindle]

https://www.simulationcraft.org/reports/T30_Raid.html

This one?

[woeful meteor]

yes

[sonic spindle]

Oh well ignore me then

Just got hopeful 😭

[grand trail]

can someone post WA for garrote boosted by sepsis?:(

[clear granite]

do u guys still sim better on onyx annulet or double stat ring ?

[thorn fjord]

Annulet still for me

[tacit otter]

chromatic essence being 600 dps better than class trinket even class trinket is 3 ilvl higher is just a joke

[thorn fjord]

And I imagine most other people

[gusty mirage]

I sim with all buffs and it’s nowhere near the nelth trinket for me

[cursive frost]

Assa def going to beat sub on mag now

[gusty mirage]

[steel spire]

annulet for me as well double checking with new rings atm

[cursive frost]

Everything else sub profile still more favorable for

[tacit otter]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5UN2noT9LmKpXyaYbgRjku i dont want to play essence, but its just way off

[woeful meteor]

the one that's critting more with beacon and boots is gonna win now 😄

[cursive frost]

True that

[thorn fjord]

You spelled bacon wrong

🥓

[cursive frost]

Bacon from beyond

Sounds divine

[thorn fjord]

Hell yeah

[gusty mirage]

Actually wild

[thorn fjord]

Forbidden swine

[steel spire]

bacon god anzaddy coming in clutch with massive crits

[gusty mirage]

I’ve been on the search to drop beacon and I can’t make it happen

[tacit otter]

what is up with these trinkets the past few days

[thorn fjord]

2 dropped off heroic last night

[gusty mirage]

Aura buff made stats more valuable that flat damage procs

[limber lion]

I've been on search for literally any drop

[thorn fjord]

Second time that’s happened

It’s crazy

[gusty mirage]

I’ll drop my pants for you

[limber lion]

3rd week of clearing lfr, normal and heroic but not a single trinket or tier piece has dropped

[thorn fjord]

Unfortunate

[vestal wren]

cstalys soon tho

[cursive frost]

Feels like my search for a bomb dispenser

[thorn fjord]

Next week

[limber lion]

Yeh gonna get my first tier piece next week

[tacit otter]

please do some fuckery to make my nelth better, i just need to see 1 sim where its higher so i can cope

[vestal wren]

well 2, given that you get the omni token

[gusty mirage]

If you drop annulet for more stats you can even make 441 dice a very viable alternative

[limber lion]

Not gonna use it until I have 3p

[vestal wren]

fair

[gusty mirage]

I’ll do my best 🫡

[ionic fox]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[thorn fjord]

Taking haste or just more crit mast?

A lot of these rings are doodoo

[vestal wren]

tbh my hopes are that blizz adjusts catalyst to be open week one or two

[gusty mirage]

Crit haste rings

[steel spire]

storm infused ethical for golems on zskarn M ?

[gusty mirage]

When I checked yesterday it was not

[fallen charm]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[woeful meteor]

Ethical yes, but idk how many double Storm infused hits you need for better overall probably just adds another lair on cringe proc rng

[ionic fox]

Okay, so the new sepsis build and fragment being broken. Where do we send beacon? after rupture i assume?

on opener

[thorn fjord]

I’ve been doing gar snd beacon

But from what I’ve seen people are doing gar snd mut to rupture then beacon

[fallen charm]

is there a new talent build for m+ after the exsang fiasco?

[limber lion]

No, it's the same stuff

But instead of Exsang you play MA

[gusty mirage]

same as before, but you take MA instead of exsang to get iron wire

[fallen charm]

I did that, thanks

[wide ridge]

damn i miss covenant legendary effect for sbs, felt so good in m+

rip

[ionic fox]

I'm sure this has been asked a thousand times but anyone got a good WA for sepsis proc?

[fallen charm]

I use 2

[limber lion]

Luxthos'

[ionic fox]

Using a whole pack or a single sepsis WA from him?

[limber lion]

I just use his Garrote and Sepsis weakauras

Both are really, really good

You need the engine weakauras and whatever with em as well but that's it

[ionic fox]

Mhmm, okay. I'll figure it out. So pretty much use sepsis garrote procs before you vanish I am assuming?

Cause vanish isn't even in the opener for sepsis

[limber lion]

I would recommend reading the FAQ's

You do not use vanish at all the first 2 minutes

[gusty mirage]

@tacit otter I found something even more cursed for you

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3Uyjm3YsMb9iUpBZi66qqH

[grim jay]

the most cursed thing I found is my sin simming higher with my sub m+ gear on ST than my sub on its ST gear

[scenic marlin]

time to get my gear sorted

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ciMHsanhckWjXsoh2KinDp

[steel spire]

just checked and sin is 4k higher than sub no longer gloomer now sepsiser

[inland sable]

hello after sim im losing dps with irideus fragment vs harlans loaded dice how can be possible at same ilvl both 441

[steel spire]

main stat juicy

[gusty mirage]

more stats = better with an aura buff

plus you shouldn't want fragment anyway

it's oversimming

[inland sable]

cause on sheet and bloodmalet we can see irideus better

[gusty mirage]

which sheet

afaik whispyr replaced fragment in all his sims

because #assassination message

explains why we don't touch fragment anymore

[fallen charm]

kekbye

[inland sable]

oh okey did not see that

thanks

[fallen charm]

these are fine 73 pieces of gold

[gusty mirage]

now get out there a blast some dps

[inland sable]

yeppp

[distant birch]

Are we always keeping one charge of shiv guys?

[gusty mirage]

you can blast on CD as long as you'll have a charge for shiv and 1 for deathmark

so essentially yeah you do sit on a charge for a good chunk of time

[jovial verge]

for sepsis I assume this is meant to say :p

[austere fulcrum]

Yeap u keep shiv for shiv is Sub move 😛

[gusty mirage]

that's me

[jovial verge]

Its all of us

[spice surge]

Subs profile of doing very little burst and the same damage all the time?

Unless ofc, but nobody ever thinks of

[tacit otter]

I should've sold that ring God damn

I wanted nelth trinket now I got vers/Mast Ring fuck me man

[gusty mirage]

[keen spruce]

If i put beacon in 14 it crits once in 5min sim. if I put beacon in 13 it crits twice

[scenic marlin]

its not as big as i hoped now Assa vs Sub

[keen spruce]

i've run it over and over

[wide ridge]

increase beacon dmg by 100% and remove the chance for it to crit

no more gamba

/s

[grim jay]

yeah it depends on your gear

[keen spruce]

@gusty mirage it gets worse

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/dUiJcfuT3pqQHZEZBJyVf4

if beacon doesn't crit twice

anvil better

[agile osprey]

Love me some gamba mid-pull

[remote oak]

Omg

It’s like waking up on Christmas morning

Exsang dead

[storm forum]

Rip to our stepping stone cd build

[steel spire]

[tacit otter]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tn9h4G4CKENkzjtyehYMRV oh no

[gusty mirage]

[tacit otter]

eranog haha

[gusty mirage]

just vendor the eranog ring

and pretend you never had it

[steel spire]

3 course meal with these sims

🔥

[winter gale]

Toxic Thorn vs Slimy Boots is 0.5% upgrade for me. Are they both oversimming or these 0.5 are close to real?

[limber lion]

Neither is oversimming

They both sim accurately now

[winter gale]

Oh, good!

[keen spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/letterkenny-allegedly-gif-10608199

[naive shard]

Hows the buff looking? sorry if i missed anything on it

[keen spruce]

if you were playin exang then it's lookin about 5%

[winter gale]

And w/o?

[keen spruce]

~4%

[winter gale]

Only good news

[limber lion]

3% if you continue playing Exsang

[keen spruce]

[errant swallow]

Don't tell the sub guys I was here.

[runic hinge]

[vestal wren]

🙈

[gusty mirage]

better start bribing fuu

[errant swallow]

Oh noes, he found me.

[steel spire]

[errant swallow]

@vestal wren it was a mistake. I was confused.

[vestal wren]

[errant swallow]

I can change, it meant nothing to me.

[compact carbon]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[compact carbon]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[dense fox]

Good day all, I am starting to learn Assassination Rogue and I got a few questions about the opener/rotation on single target. I am coming over from the Outlaw spec

Why are we opening with a second Garrote right after S/D? Also would Mark of Death be earlier on in the opener than where it is?

[gusty mirage]

you do not want to be playing exsang anymore

[dense fox]

why is that?

[gusty mirage]

it's been broken for like 6 months

it's a dps loss over the non-exsang version of that

[dense fox]

great, thanks for the heads up

[gusty mirage]

but to answer the question, that garrote is so you can get maximum pandemic length on it before pressing exsanguinate to get the tick rate amp

and you deathmark after exsang always, because deathmark is also a bleed and exsang just bricks the CD's duration

You'll want to play the non-exsang variation though, which is:
BMQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIFJSCiQJBAAAAAAQSAkIAAAAAAASDJOQJJkkkkWKJikQCRiFE

and follow the significantly less stressful opener of:

[dense fox]

I see, but I should nt be using this open since Exsang is a no go

[gusty mirage]

much more straight forward

[dense fox]

Thank you!

[strange python]

We really are the neglected stepchildren in blizzards eyes

[gusty mirage]

[keen spruce]

[scenic marlin]

whats optimal beacon usage as assa, obviously it doesnt fit well into the opener

[gusty mirage]

either before deathmark or after

safe to do it after you cast your first sepsis in the opener

err

typing too fast

brain not catching up

after the first sepsis/dm rotation is over

if you have bomb trinket as well you can usually cast beacon safely by your 2nd shiv

[scenic marlin]

yeah im running both

fair enough ill give it a go

[gusty mirage]

yeah it should in theory naturally line up by the 2nd shiv

but yeah anytime before or after deathmark is safe for casted trinkets

[keen spruce]

if you bomb with your opening garrote

you can beacon after your envenom

right after ER

and it works out okay

or delay it a couple globals to dump some more energy ig

[austere fulcrum]

yo guys

ı am underperforming for Sarkareth as assa rog, does anyone have tips ?

[scenic marlin]

yeah thats fair, xD it will just take getting used too again i suppose, and alot of haste aquiring

[steel spire]

Play sub on sark 👍🏾

[austere fulcrum]

🙂 well that is one suggestion but ı pref not to

[strange niche]

Just realized that when I was playing sin last night I didn’t use bomb dispenser once because I have it macro’d into abilities and forgot to do that preraid

[umbral rapids]

hey random question

are we talking about the 2nd garrote in opener here or ?

[austere fulcrum]

2nd sepsis garrote

[keen spruce]

yes

[umbral rapids]

yes?

[keen spruce]

the one bordered in blue

[umbral rapids]

ok

why at the end of "second sepsis buff" then

[keen spruce]

is the 2nd sepsis garrote, just hold it as long as possible without dropping the sepsis buff

because you want as much empowered garrote as possible

[umbral rapids]

my understanding is sepsis, wait end of buff, garrote, wait end of 2nd buff, garrote

[keen spruce]

oh wait

this looks weird

[umbral rapids]

this is worded weirdly idk

[keen spruce]

uh that blue bordered one is the first sepsis one

the 2nd is later

[umbral rapids]

yeah

[keen spruce]

this is correct yes

[thin gate]

btw dont be as stupid as me and use ambush proc on sepsis LOL

[umbral rapids]

thank you mr duck

[keen spruce]

o7

[gusty mirage]

the 2nd garrote from the sepsis buff

ideally hold til last second

but don't fuck yourself over by waiting too long

boss movement can make you a sad gamer

I usually just blast it with 2 or 3 left on the timer

[umbral rapids]

yeah it's just the wording made it a bit confusing

[umbral rapids]

so i just do this stuffs

[gusty mirage]

yeah that was a safe way of approaching it

[runic hinge]

I’ve been burned too many times now trying to hold until the very last second and overwriting with a regular garrote. I now send with 2 or 3 left as well

[gusty mirage]

my guild is probably super glad I play with PTT

because I always scream fuck when it happens

[proven jasper]

i shed a tear when that happens

oh ya

oh god i gotta remove exang from my name

cursed

[gusty mirage]

I gotchu

[proven jasper]

ty

[runic hinge]

Same

[gusty mirage]

sometimes I fit in a "son of a FUCK"

that's a juicer one

[umbral rapids]

aight thanks chief

[gusty mirage]

that was usually when I exsang'd my DM

which is no longer a problem

because fuck

[runic hinge]

Sometimes I ask if we can just repull

[proven jasper]

LMAO

[runic hinge]

But without keying my mic because im just whining like a baby

[gusty mirage]

friendly reminder that perfecto, arguably the best rogue on the planet

exsang'd his DM on echo's rasz kill

[proven jasper]

wow

[gusty mirage]

it just happens sometimes

you tap into your inner monkey brain and just autopilot through

and realize it after

[proven jasper]

plenty of times where i hit dm before using exang and realized and just sat there crying to myself

[gusty mirage]

I did it 5 pulls in a row at one point

[proven jasper]

i did like it when it worked

[gentle gyro]

i simple skip exang. not enough keybinds anyways

[keen spruce]

never happened to me

[proven jasper]

well u better skip it now

[gentle gyro]

skip as in I don't take it

[proven jasper]

yea

[keen spruce]

can't exang your dm if you never talent it

[gusty mirage]

you wanted to DM your exsang though

CAN'T CHANGE IT NOW

WE SAW YOUR SHAME

[keen spruce]

NUH UH

[gusty mirage]

shout out to @marble hemlock for these banger nova stickers

[keen spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/rip-bite-cat-kitty-pet-gif-17924889

[gentle gyro]

unsatisfying to press anyways. i prefer stuff like sepsis that actually changes how you play a bit

[gusty mirage]

yeah because all it did was speed up your bleeds

WOW

INTERACTIVE

[proven jasper]

yeahh

[gusty mirage]

[proven jasper]

really weird feeling button to press LOL