assassination

[thorn fjord]

Better than what i was doing

Also lets the first imp gar cook a little longer

[restive falcon]

alright ty

[limber lion]

Yeah you would reapply it with the first Sepsis garrote when it hits pandemic

And then again when the buff is about to run out, slightly before pandemic

[keen spruce]

can you just bomb on pull and beacon 10s in

or does sims not like that

[limber lion]

It's a 20s lockout when you use trinkets

[thorn fjord]

9 sec for beacon with bomb

[keen spruce]

i thought bomb only locks other trinkets by 10s

[limber lion]

Oh right true

My bad

Yeah bomb first, then beacon, then bomb spam

[ornate dawn]

Imagine having bomb or beacon 😦

[thorn fjord]

Bleh i have bomb macro'd to Mutilate... Gonna have to manually send it before the first mut to make sure i can beacon after the rupture

[wind condor]

^^^^

Macroing it was the best decision ever

[weak bane]

is blindside still eating the sepsis free stealth ability?

[balmy condor]

no

[weak bane]

or am I just spamming

ok that

hitting a dummy and it felt weird for a sec

[keen spruce]

just put bomb where exang used to be

[thorn fjord]

Think it'll still be on cd

[keen spruce]

i mean it's just damage

just send it when it's up

[spice spire]

[chilly rock]

vanish -> gar -> is used with second dm after second sepsis right?

[limber lion]

Correct

0CP Vanish - Gar - Finish - Gar - Finish

is what I do at least

[hollow vault]

samesies

[runic hinge]

Same

[silk bane]

i might be hard copign but this doesnt mean class/spec tree rework for rogues. it literally just says tuning. which they gave us. so yeah..

[vapid sierra]

Weren’t they talking about touching exsang?

[spice spire]

Eventually

[limber lion]

They have in the past yeah

Again, something that was mentioned but a timeframe wasn't specified

Could be next week, could be a few months

[oak sky]

Tuning was unrelated to ptr for .5 tho so isnt that different

[next dune]

Make Exang an AoE. Do it

[keen spruce]

in december yes

"removed or reworked in a future patch"

i believe is what they said

which is technically still correct

there are still future patches

[silk bane]

oh they also gave outlaw their new terrrible genuinly awful GM rework so idk

they did stuff for sure

[oak sky]

They did 1 thing

Personally i think it probably got pushed forward to the next patch

To .7

[silk bane]

prob

nah

prob 10.2

[royal lantern]

no

wow ends next patch

no more Patches

[oak sky]

Why would they push it back 2 patches bro

If they thought they would have something

[silk bane]

stop it. dont give me hope.

[oak sky]

For m5

.5

[burnt star]

so exsang as been holding us down without us knowing

interesting

[limber lion]

You can do it!

Hey that's cheating

[burnt star]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[limber lion]

There you go

[burnt star]

cant type 😉

[limber lion]

Me neither man

Especially on phone, I'm the absolute worst phone typer

typist?

[burnt star]

big finger too

[limber lion]

idk

[burnt star]

so, the sheet build without exsang is the thing ur suggesting i assume

"You should use:
Lightweight Shiv + Venom Rush"

[limber lion]

Yep

The sheet is updated, so you can see that it's the highest simming build

Whispyr kept the Exsang builds there for future reference

But yeah, the second highest thingy on that list is actually the highest simming build

[burnt star]

make sens, its really crazy that we played all season 1 with something broken

[silk bane]

exsang was like 2% ahead of this build right? and now its 1% behind?

[gusty mirage]

yeah something weird happened in 10.0.5

where exsang just stopped working like it did for the entire start of the expac

[silk bane]

wait this was in 10.0.5? LOOOL

[marble hemlock]

i think the expectation atm is that the bug would be fixed (hopefully? idk. do i hope for exsang to return? im not sure. but i dont like bugs)

[gusty mirage]

cev and I pinpointed it to started somewhere in the first week of January

[limber lion]

I don't think it was even that much, I think it was less than a % ahead after the fragment fix.

Yeah, I looked through logs to make sure that it's exactly the 10.0.5 patch and that one it is

[marble hemlock]

its not like exsang doesnt do anything, its just not as strong as we thought it was

[limber lion]

January 24

But games have thousands of lines of code, so one completely unrelated thing could break something like Exsang

Happens in Oldschool Runescape all the time hah

[silk bane]

well it looks like that interaction alone was worth about 1.5% looknig at the changes, assuming cev is correct about exsang only being like 0.5% ahead even before we find the bug

kinda interesting that so much power was behind that portion of the talent

[marble hemlock]

not really surprising though

duplicating exsang bleeds was the keystone to exsang being so strong all through alpha/beta and early DF

[limber lion]

Yeah I mean the reason Exsang was good in 10.0 was because of the interaction between all the Garrote/Rupture nodes and Deathmark

It's just a really good interaction all in all

Also the reason it was nerfed so heavily

[balmy condor]

it was more than doubling the effect of exsang

double poison double bleed = more lethal dose stacks

and double bleed = double the speed up

[limber lion]

Zoomzoom

[balmy condor]

it's the reason why exsang could never have been a 2 min cooldown

you would be doubling the effect of every exsang

which at that point would be equal to having a 1 min cooldown, if the interaction didn't work

and we all know how strong exsang was with a low cooldown like that

exsang going to 3 min was designed specifically with that interaction in mind

[silk bane]

ignoring that DM is >>> Vandetta, our previous tier set essentially made Vandetta a 1 min cd roughly right? so this interaction would be similar to that effect in that, it would make DM be 1 min ( prob slightly more than 1 min since DM bleed isnt being doubled)

so they could have made it work

[gusty mirage]

it was duskwalker's patch that made it a 1min cd

but yeah

[silk bane]

but I guess it was just too strong and would become mandatory? which it essentially did anyways for all specs

[limber lion]

Something of that sort yeah, but it was tied to a legendary

Yeh what Oxi said

[silk bane]

yeah i meant duskwalker

[limber lion]

We just can't have too too many things that are far superior to others or it kinda just kills all variety

That's why Exsang was targeted for the nerf because it was basically necessary in all content

Nowadays (assuming it wasn't broken) it's been a talent that you can take to minmax dps or just ignore if you hated it

Honestly the perfect place for it

[balmy condor]

what does duskwalker have to do with it

we don't have legendary effects in dragonflight

[limber lion]

I would love for Kingsbane to be competitive, but I honestly don't know how to fix DTB's power without making Kingsbane way too strong in comparison

[silk bane]

I just meant a 2 min cd becoming 1 min isnt something they cant deal with. but yeah

[silk bane]

dude me too... it was the only thing i had fun with in 10.0 before 0.5 just kiled it

[marble hemlock]

@balmy condor did you see my suggestion earlier?

[limber lion]

Why not just do garrote - snd - garrote instead?

What's the vanish for?

[balmy condor]

regarding?

[marble hemlock]

prepull beacon into vanish on pull (may not even be necessary since you can still cast garrote after)

[limber lion]

Vanish is just completely useless in the opener because you can get 24s of Garrote just from stealth garrotes and an extra 36 seconds from Sepsis

Vanish early does literally nothing in the opener, it does the same damage and applies the same damage benefits

[balmy condor]

I had that discussion with rosvall like a week or two ago and the conclusion was basically "yeah but it doesn't really make a difference"

[marble hemlock]

well

[limber lion]

Improved Garrote lasts for 3s after breaking stealth

[marble hemlock]

well, you dont melee during beacon cast do you

[limber lion]

Same with Shrouded

[autumn frost]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[marble hemlock]

vanish garrote gives 3cp though, sepsis only 1. but yeah, its still really not smth that makes a difference

[limber lion]

Yeah the damage and cooldown portion both apply to it

Yep

[loud galleon]

so, from what I am reading, exsanguinate bad?

[gusty mirage]

yes

[limber lion]

Yep

[burnt latch]

Could vanish for ambush damage insane

[loud galleon]

i rarely do that.

[limber lion]

Garrote>snd>garrote>vanish>ambush>rupture

time to go to bed

good luck with your shenanigans lol

[keen spruce]

sepsis covers all of the empowered garrotes in the opener

so vanish don't matter

[loud galleon]

hehe

[balmy condor]

+25 dps BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR increase the iterations, we must know for sure, margin of error go down BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ robot thinking BEEP BOOP

[marble hemlock]

exsang was always bad, only now its bad numerically as well

[keen spruce]

whispyr did u see my cursed sims from this morning

raidbots wants me to skip heroic beacon and get a 441 dice

like 6s more?

and maybe losin a cast of sepsis

i see no issue here

[lethal forge]

Guys just do what Hekili calls...

[keen spruce]

clip it and ship it

[tall atlas]

I’ve only used sepsis a few times on the dummy so just so I can wrap my head around it. Do you get the stealth cast when the initial debuff ends ye?

[balmy condor]

[gusty mirage]

you get 2, one for the initial cast, and one for when the dot finishes

[tall atlas]

Right cool ty

[limber lion]

Which is a double-edged dagger because even though delaying sepsis means more garrote uptime, it also means less sepsis casts over 10 000 iterations.

Yep

[lethal forge]

So much talking when Hekili calls the PERFECT rotation, you just do besucon vanish garrote then HEKILI PUMP

[tall atlas]

Double edged DAGGER

Mans not playing around

[balmy condor]

hekili rotation will deliver us to the promised land

need to get JPC on that juice

[lethal forge]

Hekili rotation = 90% +++ parse

[tall atlas]

Bless ☝️

[limber lion]

We are rogues in this discord after all

[marble hemlock]

can you imagien having like, half your raid full with rogues using hekili?

insane

[limber lion]

[marble hemlock]

game basically plays itself

[gusty mirage]

weird way to spell warlock

[lethal forge]

Ez pumpers

[marble hemlock]

it was a reference to that famous clip of his, oxi

[gusty mirage]

did you hear seli

[balmy condor]

they probably don't hit the enrage timer on sludgefist in full 440's

[gusty mirage]

demo warlock is bad

[balmy condor]

not sure though

[gusty mirage]

because it needs PI

where have we heard that storyline before

[balmy condor]

it's very possible they still hit the enrage

[strange python]

I thought demo was bad because the trinket is good

[hollow vault]

anyone have a vod of kill or prog on m nelth

one of our mages out and im swappin in

[gusty mirage]

that too

"without PI and without the class trinket the spec sucks"

lmfao

thank god those exist eh

[strange python]

Evidently sanctum rogue was bad because edge is good

[balmy condor]

you won't beat me on this one bucko

[keen spruce]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/upgrade-mythic-raid-items-to-447-item-level-on-new-myth-track-in-patch-10-1-5-333383

[full jungle]

"Without PI during venthyr ramp boomie sucks" -boomie player in sl

[hollow vault]

[balmy condor]

I will not be aiding the enemy

[hollow vault]

help meeee

[strange python]

Boomies arguing they're bad now. Still like the third highest represented spec

[balmy condor]

it's basically patchwerk tbh

melee is free on that fight

[hollow vault]

it looks p chill

esp for melee

[balmy condor]

you just run to 5 when you get a bomb and learn the safe spots

and you're good to go

[keen spruce]

okay but raid items upgradable to 447 in .5

[balmy condor]

the timings with sepsis in p1 can be jank

[keen spruce]

[balmy condor]

but it's not a hard shift

[strange python]

Did they finally realize that making raid useless was a bad idea?

[gusty mirage]

find spot 5 in every section of the wall, queue up payphone by maroon 5 and wait for ranged to figure their shit out

[hollow vault]

offset vanish any to just send earlier? or still like norm

[gusty mirage]

there I saved you a vod watch

[keen spruce]

tbh i think this was always the plan

considering how useless aspect crests were

[strange python]

Weird to make raid loot shit until .5

[hollow vault]

[keen spruce]

not liked it really mattered we're basically full bis already

[next arch]

Macro bomb dispenser onto Envenom?

[hollow vault]

now the q is do i play grieftorch over 441 fragment

my trinkets are butt!

[keen spruce]

fragment isn't that bad lol

it's just not good

[red atlas]

is neltharion trinket good for sin?

[hollow vault]

weird on nelth timing

[balmy condor]

it's pretty good but it's not amazing

[keen spruce]

it's simming bis for me

[balmy condor]

yeh

[keen spruce]

but my sims are cursed

[balmy condor]

it's like -0.2% off bis for me

[keen spruce]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4d7KhobP7kXC7cpWfQpCoX

it's still tellin me dice is better than beacon

[limber lion]

I would play fragment because big number = better person

[keen spruce]

[hollow vault]

[limber lion]

I'm like 428 ilvl so I'm basically filth

[keen spruce]

and by still i mean is

[hollow vault]

holy fk u are

[keen spruce]

cuz whispyr wasn't here earlier to see me lose my mental

[hollow vault]

disgusting

[gusty mirage]

hey woah

that's my finnish boyfriend you're talking about

[hollow vault]

[marble hemlock]

did you try swapping trinket slots

[keen spruce]

[marble hemlock]

to make the dice go away

[keen spruce]

i did not

standby

[gusty mirage]

he also replaces annulet

[limber lion]

[gusty mirage]

for reasons

his sim makes no damn sense

[keen spruce]

because number bigger

i forgot sims like bomb in 13 for some reason

[earnest timber]

When're we hitting vanish in the no exsang build?

[balmy condor]

same

[earnest timber]

Hold for 2m DM? I see I see

ty

[marble hemlock]

cause the sim understands that the real on-use slot is 14, not 13. people using 13 for on-use are animals

[keen spruce]

i have 2 on use

[burnt latch]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[marble hemlock]

ye

beacon goes in 14 either way

even if you only had one

[keen spruce]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fumjZb7tVXnB2WFCAng81f

okay now it really likes dice

i'm tellin you my shit has ascended

above the realm of logic

[gaunt moat]

It'a been 8 hours and shmeeps still simming

[gusty mirage]

we should rename him to raidbots at this point

[keen spruce]

i'm lost in the sauce

i though sel was gonna save me with the ol trinket switch up

and it just double downed on dice

but i already took bacon so w/e

i don't even have dice

[gusty mirage]

just wait until 10.1.5

and farm 16s

get it in vault

upgrade to 447

[keen spruce]

i don't think that's how any of this works

[gusty mirage]

that's exactly how it works

[keen spruce]

oh

weirdge

[gusty mirage]

:3

no more spamming 20s

now we can spam 16s

[gaunt moat]

HE DOESN'T KNOW

[gusty mirage]

roflstomp them

and move on

[keen spruce]

but if you do it now

[gusty mirage]

you get fucked

[keen spruce]

and it drops at hero track or somethin

[gusty mirage]

don't do it now

[keen spruce]

ye

[gusty mirage]

won't work with end of dungeon stuff

that'll at most be on hero track

so 441 max

has to come from vault for 16s and up

[keen spruce]

so your saying to spam 20s until .5

[gusty mirage]

[keen spruce]

[gusty mirage]

our suffering comrade

[keen spruce]

alright i'm off to the freehold gulag for maybe 400dps

until the next wave of pins rug pull me again

[tall atlas]

I gave dice away to a guild Alt now I feel like an asshole

[gaunt moat]

After 10.1.5
Litteraly no point in doing 20s

[gusty mirage]

thank god

[balmy condor]

back to +15 max vault

the way god intended

[gaunt moat]

A key level even sin can time

[marble hemlock]

dw you still wont get invited to keys

(kidding)

[keen spruce]

i think the dice situation is a me problem

lol

[gusty mirage]

(he's not)

[brazen zodiac]

(we know)

[keen spruce]

i love queuein up for keys after raid and gettin kicked cuz i'm still in assas spec

[lethal mortar]

is the 5% sin buff live?

[keen spruce]

I play sub in keys i swear

[keen spruce]

ye

[lethal mortar]

ty

[marble hemlock]

on NA servers, yes

[restive falcon]

@limber lion when u linked opener before, i wanna deathmark first then beacon i assume and not beacon then dm

nvm i cannot read

[keen spruce]

gar+bomb - snd - mut - mut- rupture - sepsis - gar - dm - shiv +tea - er - envenom - bacon

seems to be workin for me

[indigo totem]

Couldn't find anything in pins/FAQ, I macroed bomb dispenser to envenom as a set it and forget it, is there a better option or am I good to go?

[keen spruce]

i would put it on it's own keybind if you use beacon

otherwise you'll constantly be putting it on icd

if you have a passive trinket then that's probably fine

[acoustic surge]

where can I find the current best raid talents ST

[keen spruce]

i think they're on wowhead still

as just raid no exang

[acoustic surge]

ok

[gusty mirage]

and in whispyr's sheet

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[keen spruce]

o yes the sheets

i never use the sheets they remind me of work

[indigo totem]

Yeah, got bacon as my 2nd trink, thx! Been watching the WA icons for best bacon timing to avoid the icd thing, as I figured it's best to hold it sometimes for greater pew pew

[acoustic surge]

ty

[keen spruce]

yeah i'd keybind them both then

cuz you don't wanna be holding envenom for 10s just to avoid scuffin beacon or something

just put beacon on the old exang keybind

[indigo totem]

Lmao that's where bacon lives now

Almost up there with outlaw in keybinds now, who would have thunk it

[solid mica]

does anyone know how to condition a WA etc to glow sepsis when ur stealth ability is useable?

[balmy condor]

you just track the sepsis buff

[tardy oak]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[solid mica]

if i try and create my own sepsis isn't under buffs, if you just track it under cd's i'm assuming that wont work

[thick sail]

I clicked on Whispyr's sheet and all it said was "Exsanguinate bad"

[indigo totem]

There's a sepsis WA on wago that works great with afenars WA set

[thick sail]

And it made me feel sad

[strange python]

how high prio is changing boots if i already have slimy and riad mythic on ass but do high m+ on sub

[gaunt moat]

You do track your own buff on yourself for that

[keen spruce]

sims are the only one that can answer that

[next arch]

Weird, haste is pulled up in m+ now?

[balmy condor]

if you what

[next arch]

well, I got bomb, now is suggesting I re gem to some haste, and take a wafting devotion

[balmy condor]

you just track the buff id that you get from sepsis

[solid mica]

idk i think im just confusing myself tbh

[balmy condor]

that's your stealth cast

[solid mica]

word thanks I

I'll try that

[balmy condor]

should be 375939

[solid mica]

ty

[static hedge]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[solid mica]

does the steealth ability from sepsis count as an imp garrote?

[next arch]

yes

[wind condor]

anyone have a WA for sepsis, on when the second buff about to go off?

[shell osprey]

lux's tracks it

[next arch]

scroll up. read the last conversation

[shell osprey]

another dumb , i mean good, question incoming

do we know breakpoints for haste and getting extra dot ticks or is that not how it works anymore

[next arch]

Dont think its how it works anymore

just sim stuff

dont aim for stats

rather universal now

https://imgur.com/a/7KsyCKl

[shell osprey]

yeah been doing that, im super low on haste atm

just remember back in the day it did that lol

[next arch]

i have 0%

:)

[solid mica]

thx that worked!

[next arch]

simming yesterday vs today

today wants haste

yesterday didnt

no idea why

[shell osprey]

raidbots is telling me to get haste and im trying

[next arch]

idk if its the trink or the aura buff.

yeah same

[solid mica]

curiuous tho luxthos tells me normally when garrotes are imp'd but not from sepsis

[next arch]

Mine does.

[weak plover]

yes it does

[shell osprey]

update it

i have one from start of DF and it didnt

[solid mica]

oh maybe thats it

[shell osprey]

updated last week and it tracks it now 🙂

[solid mica]

if i update it tho will it ruin mods ive made to it

?

[next arch]

Becasue at the start of dflight sepsis was bugged and didnt apply imp gar.

[shell osprey]

probably

i just deleted mine and reimported

but i didnt change anything so might be more annoying for you

[next arch]

try just importing the spesis part.

[clever kindle]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/LuxthosRogueDragonflight (Luxthos's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[steel spire]

assas cookin

[marble hemlock]

boost bleed and poison damage

or rather, boost damage of skills that are whitelisted to be boosted by it

[spice spire]

Any Zoldyck’s vs mastery enjoyers in chat?

[marble hemlock]

rogue is somewhat notorious for having descriptors or tags like "poison" or "bleed" that affect some skills, but not others, and then other abilities also have these tags but they affect other skills etc... there was a lot of cleanup through early DF alpha and beta, so its infinitely better than it used to be, but theres still some things that work that you would think dont, and the other way around

so its typically best to check the whitelists themselves

[wooden radish]

Noone playing assassination in the US since the buffs?

no logs at all

[marble hemlock]

people typically dont raid that early

but logs should be coming in now

[wooden radish]

should be like 930pm in NY right now

[umbral rapids]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[dark token]

June 7 parses rolling in. Looks like 443 sin rogue can't beat my 437 sub parse single target so I guess still not playing the spec

[lethal mortar]

pumpinnnnn

[dark token]

Rip I want to avoid rotten

[wind condor]

from 117 last night to this

JUICED

[gusty mirage]

lol

[gaunt moat]

Don't worry, sin will get another 5% buff in 3-4 months after zero changes until then.

[swift moss]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[dark token]

Man's got mythic sarkareth dagger and my week 1 gear with 2x fang adornments wins

[gusty mirage]

what a weird way to make a decision for yourself

[dark token]

It's just me dooming on sin for fun

Barely any parses

Not enough to make a decision yet

I hope via spreading enough doom blizzards partnered server sentiment bot picks it up and it becomes best rogue spec and I get to play it

[wind condor]

sin was doing fine before the buff tbh...

[vapid sierra]

what do yall listen to while u raid?

[wind condor]

especially prog, youre in execute for a minute

[dark token]

https://open.spotify.com/playlist/6wUV2gAg3ZMAG6zWPNzL1p?si=2fYMcKGCQMqgr0pOFBW1YQ

[vapid sierra]

interesting

[gusty mirage]

gonna have to hit up that list and start hitting the streets doing work

because RH will never be a blizzard partnered server

[gusty mirage]

I'm listening to payphone while waiting for people to figure out their WAs on nelth

[vapid sierra]

W

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/stable-ronaldo-dance-gif-18658322

me rn

[vapid sierra]

i got sonny stitt bussin rn

[gaunt moat]

Nope

It's one of the lowest performing specs over all encounters.

If you play sin and you're top dps in your guild, kudos to you.
But facts are facts.

[brazen zodiac]

this lives in my head rent free

also that song is very good

[gusty mirage]

YOU TURNED OUT THE LIGHTS

NOW I'M PARALYZED

STILL STUCK IN THAT TIME WHEN

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/124169701881282560/1075059358603423744/BAD94955-607C-4CB4-BE62-916D1F0CCD5B.gif

[brazen zodiac]

i just wiped my raid

for a singalong

im not mad

my raid leader is though.

[gusty mirage]

#worth

link them payphone

hard to be mad when listening to this song tbh

[drifting cloud]

why echo not dead if assa buffed oxi??

[gusty mirage]

even the sun sets in paradise @drifting cloud

https://tenor.com/view/aaaa-hola-como-andy-martino-dance-gif-18551524

[fleet pagoda]

so get to iron wire, we take master assassin now...

[lethal mortar]

https://open.spotify.com/playlist/05uHkc9s6BvP7iJq8QrOKV?si=ad5b8405ed5f4ff5

[brazen zodiac]

i like skillet while raiding c:

[keen spruce]

i'm home

i just went fuckin goblin mode on a costco rotisserie chicken

[gaunt moat]

Hi home

[keen spruce]

i think i'm gonna die

throw your puzzle boxes in the sea in my memory

[dark token]

Melee be so bored on this boss.. we changed WA mid prog and it caused another 1hr of confusion for ranged

[keen spruce]

look this is what i been cookin

only bring 4 ranged

and hard assign them to 1-4

cuz they always gonna get heart

then melee go 5

[gusty mirage]

I want to gangplank q myself irl rn

this boss is actually terrible

hold dps is SO fun

[drifting cloud]

do less dps you have to hold less

[wind condor]

Nelth is Fuckin ass

Seeing p2 consistently now but god damn

[brazen zodiac]

ill take zeri q after 3 items tbh

[ruby birch]

we progged him for 4 hours

only 1 hour of pulls though

:)

3 hours of fixing WAs because we swapped once mid prog

[fleet pagoda]

how are yall timing your sepsis now that exsang is out of the picture?

[ruby birch]

off cd

unless there's downtime coming up

[fleet pagoda]

even on opener?

[ruby birch]

i mean the opener is listed in faq

without exsang you go

gar snd mut to 5, rupture, sepsis dm shiv er

[balmy condor]

it's the same timings

[keen spruce]

same same

but no exang

[balmy condor]

why would exsang change it

[wind condor]

We got em last week so we got the WAs ironed out

Should kill Thursday

[steel spire]

yo assas is a vibe

[dark token]

Our WA so badly made it breaks if we push early

Map stops showing

Cause it is on fixed timer

If a ranged DPS prepulls early also map breaks

Rofl

[ruby birch]

i have map that works fine

if u want just dm me

we just used bdg one

[fleet pagoda]

because i have terminal exsang brain and am struggling in a world where i don't hit two buttons half a dozen times to set up for CDs

after playing exsang i'm going to be wasting so many actions on opener for a while

although technically it was always wasted actions since it was broken...

[bitter aurora]

dumb question do you beacon first or bomb first to get a charge going

[balmy condor]

if you're not gonna miss a beacon cast you should bomb first

[balmy condor]

[keen spruce]

got some fresh new trinket WAs

hot off the press

[spice spire]

[balmy condor]

This has to be able to be psychoanalyzed to a mental disorder

[spice spire]

He’s shmeepy

[bleak dove]

had wrong annulet ring on all tonight for raid

im crying

[balmy condor]

There there

Always next raid

[bleak dove]

the 100s were there 😦

copium

[rough stump]

which talents do we pick up after dropping exsanguinate in the DTB M+ build?

[marble hemlock]

MA

since you still want iron wire

[runic hinge]

My 99 is also with the wrong ring

[untold dragon]

so is sepsis no exsang the way to go for st now

[drifting cloud]

yes

[grand trail]

No exsang ?

[keen spruce]

exang dead

[grand trail]

Happy to hear that, may try asaa this week than 😂

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[cunning nest]

It was said that class trinket is slightly better than bomb dispenser now; and I KNOW - personal sims are different and everything. But I'm at 437 gs and beacon still sims massively better than classtrinket, about 700 dps better

which makes me uncertain what to go for (maybe the one I GET xD)

Any thoughts, what does your sims say?

[keen spruce]

if bacon don't crit you don't parse

class trinket can bonk you out of stealth and needs to proc on CDs for max value

they both fine and gud

[gusty mirage]

in bis set up class trinket is slightly better than beacon, not bomb dispenser

[keen spruce]

oh yeah also that

[gusty mirage]

bomba trinket is too good

[gusty mirage]

pray for me

nelth almost deadge

[keen spruce]

p3 pulls?

[gusty mirage]

yea

had a 15%er

[keen spruce]

portal assignments found

can you cloak the bang?

[gusty mirage]

yea

[cunning nest]

yeah sorry, I meant the comparison between beacon and nelth, not bomb^^ bomb is fix 😄

[keen spruce]

oo

[gusty mirage]

yeah if beacon is simming higher for your rn stick with it

class trinket is solid still, but beacon still a bit better at least at heroic ilvls

[keen spruce]

pay your loot council and weasel both

[gusty mirage]

also class trinket is better in aoe

not that we have any aoe as assassination

[cunning nest]

that's the thing, it's go-to for m+ anyway, right?

[gusty mirage]

yea

[cunning nest]

hmm okay I think about it

[earnest remnant]

[gusty mirage]

when do we begin the private tutoring

[wraith cosmos]

gogogo

[keen spruce]

i'm somewhat underwhelmed by bomb imma be honestly honest

[gusty mirage]

where I strip everytime you get an answer right?

[keen spruce]

but i only did a normal pug

[earnest remnant]

when im awake during NA times again

[gusty mirage]

so tomorrow

got it

[earnest remnant]

give me like 4 days to ruin my sleep schedule xD

[gusty mirage]

bro I'm actually cranking as assassination on nelth

people be sleepin on our spec

[keen spruce]

can yall record it so i can get some secret sauce

[gusty mirage]

you just wanna see my boobs

admit it

[keen spruce]

yes chef

[earnest remnant]

im to busy being sad

[gusty mirage]

me too man

😦

[cunning nest]

I think I'll lean to nelth to avoid double actice because Im a lazy fuck. Thank you for your thoughts guys

[keen spruce]

i'm too unemployed to be sad

[gusty mirage]

yeah if you hate double on use

for sure get class trinket

its our best passive trinket unless your name is shmeeps

then dice is for some reason really strong

[keen spruce]

no no dice only better than bacon lol

[cunning nest]

I think it's insanely strong, but tbh the design is so bad xD

[keen spruce]

class trinket still biss

[earnest remnant]

at least you know why im

[gusty mirage]

bro I swear your profile is more scuffed than american roads

[upbeat mirage]

trinkets?

[gusty mirage]

[upbeat mirage]

do those still drop for ppl?

[keen spruce]

I think i've just ascended

my simc string as reached nirvana

above the RNG of annulet and bacon

https://tenor.com/view/pooh-bear-surreal-winnie-the-pooh-dream-dreamy-gif-19945629

[median root]

is the aura buff live on nightly? sims are lower than when i used fuu's custom header.

[keen spruce]

they live ye

[median root]

thanks

[grand trail]

I'm bothered that my sepsis casted garrote do not glow on my WA like vanish casted does 🤷

[plain flower]

Hows yalls raid dps not happy with sub and outlaw atm my groups fights take too long

[gusty mirage]

I know the luxthos pack is updated for the sepsis stuff. Idk about the others

[grand trail]

Was using luxthos but switched to kush recently, gotta ask him 😂

[thorny aurora]

Yo, not playing assa but I've got an 447 irideus fragment in vault that I'm considering taking, it's still oversimming/not better than bomb+beacon, correct?

[keen spruce]

you can download luxthos and just copy the garrote module out of it

and plop it into another ui

[grand trail]

True

[keen spruce]

that's what i do with afenar

[grand trail]

Did not thing that way

[balmy condor]

Yep shit trinket

[thorny aurora]

Also got 447 dice, is that one any decent in sin?

[keen spruce]

[balmy condor]

It’s better than fragment, worse than equal ilvl beacon

[chilly rock]

Had a blast in raid tonight running sepsis no exsang. Fights felt much more fun

[winged quail]

Now that Exsang is shit I’m gearing Sin for farm

Please delete that fucking spell

[untold dragon]

on what spell do ppl macro bomb dispenser

[grand trail]

Not sure about my crit Vers with 0 haste for assa

But will try 😂

[keen spruce]

we don't cuz you don't wanna scuff your beacon icd

[fathom nest]

if I have an imp. garrote can I reaply it within the pandemic window with a normal garrote or do I let the imp drop first?

[thick sable]

You never overwrite an empowered garrote with non-empowered

[fathom nest]

thx

annoying tho

[brazen lagoon]

hey guys, if exsang is bugged, should i pick the crit % when out of stealth instead for m+?

[deft flicker]

Yea, it’s the only way to get Iron Wire

[keen spruce]

ye

[brazen lagoon]

ty !

[winter gale]

Yo guys

I sim nightly or latest?

For topgear simc 3 gear comparison*

[balmy condor]

shouldn't make a difference

no changes today that aren't in nightly

idk

[winter gale]

Ok, ok

[clever sapphire]

outlaw doesnt have infinite snd anymore, now its time for assa to get cttc removed and give us more aoe surely

[winter gale]

That’s how it works then

😂

[strange python]

I found 6k DPS as sin over sub

Hmmm

[median root]

i've lost 2k sim dps simming the aura buff with fuu's header a couple days ago compared to nightly now, yikers.

[balmy condor]

probably exsang

[austere fulcrum]

Any comments on omi trinket ? I dont know if it i worth to take from Vault.

[median root]

rip

[balmy condor]

on what trinket

[ocean wolf]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[austere fulcrum]

Ominous trinket

[balmy condor]

oh the essence

yeah it's okay

ain't the best of the best

but if your raid has all the buffs it's pretty okay

[winter gale]

Bis ring 447(crit heavy + haste) over to-be-catalyzed 447 pants that sim the same? I’m guessing ring

[next arch]

Why is haste relevant suddenly?

[pseudo hamlet]

It always was 😄

[next arch]

Both aoe and raid sims are suggesting I re gem and enchant.

Before update, they werent.

[pseudo hamlet]

Just like in real life - you need balance in everything!

[next arch]

Just really weird that its suddenly shifted for me

Im on 0 currently, but all my sims from before werent suggesting any haste.

[pseudo hamlet]

Had the same "problem" previous season. When I eventually got almost bis gear I simmed gems/enchants and it said that I needed haste gems(for Lariat!).

[balmy condor]

aura buff and exsang bug changes things turns out

but yeh

idk why it wasn't suggesting haste before

haste good

BiS profile loves haste

it's heavy crit > mast first and foremost

[clever sapphire]

did you sim as sub maybe?

[balmy condor]

but to balance out the high ilvl pieces

both crafted pieces are haste/mast

@austere fulcrum if you want to know how good it is

you can sim a top gear of your vault

and then take the top profile that uses it

copy it into advanced

and then paste this underneath

and just run it

it'll spit out every combo of your buff vs your raid buffs

and you should be able to ask your raid lead what buffs are active atm

[austere fulcrum]

perfect, thank u so much @balmy condor

[winter gale]

Woke up to 123k sim ❤️

Nothing can f**k my today

[next arch]

Yes it can

[pseudo hamlet]

Considering that the loot from first three mythic bosses will be able to upgrade to 447ilvl - neck from Zaqali Assault(crit+haste) could be nice also.

[grave depot]

https://gyazo.com/c10ca65bf6ee11300d75d5e55396ff1e

aiii

[median root]

it oversims pretty dramatically, see pins

[grave depot]

well shit

https://gyazo.com/18c13f9f8db0ba160d53b40d23488bab

would be better tho

no?

my pepegus alt

[austere fulcrum]

what is this now o.O

[pseudo hamlet]

Farm dice from FH 😄

[median root]

oh well, that's pretty important context

[austere fulcrum]

Dice/beacon all the way ❤️

fr tho why raidhorn sims so much

another bug ?

[deft flicker]

This is bait

[keen spruce]

it air strikes you

[deft flicker]

Trinket is good but the process of using it properly is akin to swallowing a metal pipe

[pseudo hamlet]

It's strong trinket, but comes with a cost - it also does damage to yourself... and consider that sims are showing situations in "perfect environment".

[deft flicker]

The swirlies are small, you need to place them so enemy gets hit, but then get out yourself so damage doesn’t split, all while dodging whatever else is happening around you

Leave this one for tanks ig

[waxen pagoda]

I need help 🥴

I dont know what to choose

I did run the sim

[distant hinge]

use simc there isa button in raidbots that chooses all your vault items for you to sim

[waxen pagoda]

but they are alike improvements

[distant hinge]

ah ok

[clever sapphire]

whats your current cloak/trinkets?

[waxen pagoda]

Bomb dispenser + shit trinket (dargrul’s)

and a shitty 424 cloak crit/versa

both items are a huge improvement to my current gear

🥴

[keen spruce]

good competative cloaks are easy to come by

trinkets not so much

and you lose like 25k hp with sark cloak

[clever sapphire]

ye thats true, dungeon trinkets are kinda meh and class trinket is kinda nice after the buffs (as far as i know)

[keen spruce]

"technically" bis

[waxen pagoda]

I thought neltharion trinket was #1 bis but everyone seems to pick Irideus instead

[keen spruce]

irideus was oversimming by a lot

cuz of a mutilate bug

[waxen pagoda]

🤔

[keen spruce]

well a trinket bug and how it handled mutilate removing stacks

and after aura buffs, the class trinket is roughly equal to a beacon at the same ilvl

[waxen pagoda]

so that means it will be hotfixed and it wont be as good trinket?

[keen spruce]

no it's functioning correctly in game

the sims are just showing it performing too high

[waxen pagoda]

Oh ok ok

[clever sapphire]

so probably just take the trinket and call it a day

[keen spruce]

I'd take the trinket

[glad vapor]

Jesus dude , you are overthinking, enjoy a good vault day and take that bloody trinket 🙂

[keen spruce]

cuz you're your gonna have to wait for boomkins and DKs to get their first

[glad vapor]

Love from Europe

[keen spruce]

if you're waiting for it to drop

[waxen pagoda]

I want to make good choices for once 🥲

I’ll take the trinket, thank you guys 🥲

[clever sapphire]

trinkets from the raid are mostly safe choices since dungeon trinkets are kinda shite

[stiff geode]

The M+ dungeonslice section of whispyrs spreadsheet is missing dps and % differences?

[livid ruin]

Does anybody know if the onyx annulet is simming correctly? I'm simming a ring at 441 with ench and socket, while I still have a 421 ring but according to sim its better to replace the annulet

[stiff geode]

Patchwerk sim?

[livid ruin]

Both dungeonslice and patchwerk

[winter gale]

Can anyone tell me, Bomb or Dice for m+?

[livid ruin]

patchwerk ST that is

[winter gale]

My bomb sims really good but it's a pain in the a** together with boon*

On bloodmallet Dice is above for 5 target

[livid ruin]

https://i.imgur.com/L0Ht1u1.png

And in ST it is giving me a 4k increase in ST above replacing the other ring

[livid ruin]

Seems weird because it contradicts what you sent and what I thought before

[stiff geode]

Idk about the trinks Vedora

Well, there shouldn't be any reason the annulet suddenly stopped simming right. You could try using weekly or nightly to double check if the results are the same running them under both settings.

[livid ruin]

Hmm, I'll probably end up taking the dagger anyway, since the ring is me choosing socket which I'll probably end up doing at some point anyway

[stiff geode]

But since it was just Tuesday, weekly and nightly could very well be on the same source atm.

[livid ruin]

Thanks for the help!

[stiff geode]

GL, difficult decisions with vaults I tell ya. I had 3 tier pieces in mine lol, as if I wasn't already indesisive enough.

[glad vapor]

I believe that next week we will be able to transform non tier to tier finally.

[stiff geode]

Indeed, the 13th cannot come sooner, awaiting that 4 set until then.

[winter gale]

Ok, top dogs in m+ are all using 441 dice

With fragment. Ill go dice+boon

Bomb just doesen't feel nice in 2 on-use combo

[hollow dirge]

what this? 😄

[clever sapphire]

azerite power shit

[hollow dirge]

yeah, why would they touch that shit now 😄

[clever sapphire]

when aura buffs happen this also gets updated

[hollow dirge]

oh that's why

[clever sapphire]

probably some scuffed code

and wowhead just posts everything that got touched, be it intentionally or not

so there is no meaning behind it, just shitty code that they are too lazy to change

[lean sapphire]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[cursive orchid]

i have 447

[sick aspen]

question re the no-exang opener graphic in the faq, after you sepsis in that sequence and get your first stealth ability (imp garrote) is that the garrote after the envenom and the 2nd garrote granted when sepsis ends isn't shown?

[cursive orchid]

yes

[sick aspen]

ok, ty

[cursive orchid]

also i don't have bomb so dunno what it does

[winter gale]

Is it normal that DungeonSlice sims better w/o Primalist Gem?

normal/ok*

[winter gale]

I have authenticator 😛

[sick aspen]

also seems to be limited to minecraft mods from what I've been able to tell

[vestal wren]

no need to post it in every channel.

[winter gale]

Is zerocool guy a member of our community?

[vestal wren]

yes

[tacit wedge]

yes, good content to watch but not very educational

[slow tulip]

hey, is the 5% buff in the sims already?

[limber lion]

Yes

[slow tulip]

thx

🫶

[tacit wedge]

saw the new pin
when i said i wanted sin to be broken, i didn't meant it that way 😭

[royal lantern]

who wants their spec to be broken anyway

get that comfy #6-#7 spot on top dps, so you avoid the "this spec is busted" nerfs

only warlock can be in the top3 without any fear

[next arch]

So sick of lock tbh

[clever sapphire]

then there is SP, in constant fear of getting reworked no matter if they do well or shit or mid

[visual hemlock]

is fragment still oversimming dice?

[clever sapphire]

i would prefer assa to be shit on heroic week but get better the more gear you get, guess thats not happenin

[tacit wedge]

used to be a lock main, i can only share the sentiment

[limber lion]

Yes

[mint kindle]

Is it deathmark vanish garrote or vanish garrote then deathmark ?

[austere fulcrum]

for real ??

[wraith cosmos]

remember start of df when rogues were on the top...for like a week before immediate nerfs

[royal lantern]

and then they buffed everyone else beyond the numbers that where nerf worthy

the nerf itself was fine

the stupid part was them buffing everyone else to do more then rogue did in the first place

[blissful forge]

Post from curseforge mod in their dc

[wraith cosmos]

i really dont think the nerfs were all that needed when they apparently were planning to buff other classes anyways

[clever sapphire]

but it only affects minecraft mods as the post after shows so you can ignore it

[subtle tundra]

i play minecraft...

[blissful forge]

Nope

Its not only mc

I mean read the entire thing

[somber fractal]

Guys relax, surely the rogue changed they announced for 10.1.5 are still coming, even thought it’s week after week of mage, pally and Druid news.

[wraith cosmos]

the real thing is though...we can get all the buffs and stuff, but if the next raid is filled with a lot of non single target fights, sin becomes far less desireable again

[clever sapphire]

look in general and you will see that they even say its only relevant for minecraft users

#wow-general message

[clever sapphire]

relatable, good thing i dont play modded

i only mod terraria

[blissful forge]

Ah yeah i trust some weirdos in wow general lol

[clever sapphire]

ye koffing that weirdo that nobody knows

[blissful forge]

I mean he literally says it couldve potenially affect wow addon devs aswell

So idk

Nvm

Never said anything

Saw the updated pic now

[clever sapphire]

[late surge]

sims wants me to play 0% haste sadge

[blazing jewel]

You’re going to listen to the magic sim robot and you’re going to like it

[clever sapphire]

https://tenor.com/view/the-shell-has-spoken-magic-gif-19450862

[blazing jewel]

Really big question incoming

Why are the daggers in the mutilate icon blue

Poison is green and bleeds are red

That does not = blue

[gaunt moat]

oh boy, my vault was garbage...
How i'm actually wondering if i should take the anvil trinket instead of fragment

[clever sapphire]

exsang = fun for blizzard and you question their color choices?

[balmy condor]

it's cause of this

[blazing jewel]

Socket papi

[balmy condor]

there's been a lot of APL shit for dslice that's been fucking with builds

[blazing jewel]

Sockets are big value this xpac

[balmy condor]

and it ain't all really locked in yet

it's stable enough for me to rip the combo sim

but I don't want to put numbers to builds and have people compare them

when for all I know I look at the APL tomorrow

and I find like 1.5% for one of them

and it fucks the whole comparison

if you wanna know what it's looking like, the sim is there, you can look

but ya know

it's a little wobbly atm

[gaunt moat]

I mean.. anvil sims only -0.1%
and fragment oversims
so it should be better than fragment technically

[balmy condor]

yeh

easily

gotta remember though

anvil got some ramp time on it

it's also a bit RNG with the procs so uh

temper expectations

[gaunt moat]

It's a dillema. should i just take a socket, and hope to get a better trinket down the line (like.. just farm dice etc.)

[clever sapphire]

grieftorch was also RNG because you did more if your hunters randomly died

[limber lion]

but the sims don't account for resets

[balmy condor]

Idk I just pulled a 447 dice out of my week 1 vault and I play that over beacon when I’m not feeling beacon

Have you just tried looting it

[gaunt moat]

[wraith cosmos]

i'd personally say if difference is negligible play what feels better for you

[gaunt moat]

It's more like, what should i take from vault.
though tbh, i kinda hate using fragment. 3m CD sucks.

but taking a trinket i'm gonna replace anyway also sucks.

[next arch]

So just take socket.

[clever sapphire]

3m CD now that it perfectly doesnt line up with exsang since we dont take it, fun

[next arch]

just hold DM a min surely its a dps increase

[stiff geode]

What is APL? I do not know what this is short for.

[gaunt moat]

adding a socket is a 0% dps increase.
is the sim drunk?

[next arch]

Action priority list

[gaunt moat]

guess it's like 30dps for socket

not worth it either really

[balmy condor]

APL is action priority list, it’s the set of instructions that theorycrafters maintain which tell the sims how to play the spec

[spiral pasture]

that seems scuffed

[stiff geode]

I see I see, thank you for the replies and hard work on all of that 😄 you make a lot of indecisive peoples lives easier 😛

[gaunt moat]

i'll try it in gear compare

[balmy condor]

Yeh it’s scuffed

Should be 0.3%

[next arch]

0.3 is better than 0. nothing

[spiral pasture]

socket kinda big upgrade considering

so easy to get to a point where only big upgrades come from few late raid bosses

[gaunt moat]

in gear compare works correctly. very weird.

[teal iris]

500 dps from a socket is actually kinda crazy

[balmy condor]

It’s +100 stat

[wraith cosmos]

its really

not

[stiff geode]

Any of y'all use default nameplates? Seriously thinking about breaking down and grabbing an addon for em tho.

[wraith cosmos]

consider how many secondaries you get from a 441 ring, divide by hundred

[spiral pasture]

it literally is 100 stat xd

and it is big upgrade at this point

[wraith cosmos]

even better, its 100 stat you can customize to fit your damage profile needs

[spiral pasture]

socket is like best thing i can get besides last 2 boss loot and mythic bomb

[dark token]

Get jundies plater

Default nameplates unplayable lmao

[stiff geode]

Yeah, I've been using em this whole time. 😬 about fed up with how ass they are

[dark token]

Like actually unplayable you can't see anything

Get plater, go on wago.io and search jundies and install the profile

[teal iris]

the plater script that changes border color for rupture targets makes assa/sub so much easier in keys too

would hate to multidot on default nameplates

[dark token]

Eh

Not really

[wraith cosmos]

as a regular nameplate user i am offended

[teal iris]

well especially for sub tbh

[spiral pasture]

that thing broke for me 😭

was so hard to relearn playing without it

[teal iris]

did you have a bad script? it should work

[stiff geode]

I'm just sitting there blasting through targets on the normal target frame checking my bleeds, I don't even use the default nameplates to keep track of anything since you can't see nuffin no way 😂

[spiral pasture]

script from wago, it broke for me idk

[wraith cosmos]

you just go by feeling and rough memory XD

[teal iris]

like this is how it looks for me

super convenient

[spiral pasture]

mine didnt even work on dummies

can you send yours?

[stiff geode]

yeah, muscle memory and whatever you call it for eye coordination has really carried me I guess lol

now it's time to break up the muscle memory since ima be switching to sepsis

[dark token]

Jundies Best one I've tried mostly due to a couple things:

1. color coding kicks. Kicks are yellow if you have kick available or your kick will come off CD before cast ends, orange if your kick won't be up
2. color coding nameplates in general based on mob type. You have no idea how good this is and using a plater that color codes nameplates based off rupture will interfere with that

[teal iris]

it's just this one but you have to add rupture as a dot https://wago.io/398Lv0cuq

[spiral pasture]

ty

[teal iris]

i also removed the bar color changes since i have color coding in m+

[dark token]

Jundies just has the rupture icon above the HP bar and glows when it's pandemic

Seems fine to me

[stiff geode]

So Jundies is https://wago.io/ak3iS95aa ?? just to double check

[cursive orchid]

I use plater with ceverion's setup

Pretty neat

[dark token]

I remove excess auras that clutter the top of my nameplate just so I can see it better for refreshing and miltidotting is fine

[stiff geode]

so many options!

[wraith cosmos]

honestly there were times ive forgotten to use sepsis until dm was back up....was pretty awkward

[dark token]

Ye you NEED a plater that color codes

Its insane for m+

Like it's the biggest level up to my performance in the past year just having a colored plater

Important casters always same colors, frontal mobs same colors, etc

[cursive orchid]

Just learn the dungeon man

[stiff geode]

This sounds mighty intriguing. You said you did change some options?

[dark token]

I changed the size and shape of nameplates to be more similar to my previous, and disabled lots of debuffs I don't care about

E.g. I don't have atrophic/crippling/numbing poison on there

Just deadly poison

Let's me see ruptures better

[dark token]

Just learn your rotation man

Why use weakauras

Just learn the boss man

[cursive orchid]

++

[dark token]

The point of these tools is just simplify or provide additional context/visualization to improve your performance with these things

[stiff geode]

Appreciate the suggestions guys, gonna go bonk my UI over the head now

[dark token]

Let's say I cap out at +27s if just play the dungeon raw no weakauras no macros no plater

Thats 100% of my performance

[wraith cosmos]

ill be honest, i have like 4 weakaura icons...two exists solely because you just couldnt see the debuff above rasz's nameplate, one is tracking envenom buff, and recently made one to track the sepsis stealth buff

[dark token]

If using this stuff saves me 10-20% brainpower just by making my rotation afk easy or making mobs easier to see and identify so I can react appropriately, that lets me put that 10-20% into executing mechanics better

Aka making me better player

Saying hurr durr just get good is not a real response

[wraith cosmos]

i've taken it more as a joke response than a serious argument personally

[dark token]

Sure but people actually mean this seriously very often