assassination

[storm forum]

only if you don't care about add damage or wanna give whispyr an aneurism (IC)

[balmy condor]

this channel is more than capable of the second without scana playing IC on sark

[woeful meteor]

Considering Sub doesnt run Powder on that fight going sin isnt an issue im sure

[blazing jewel]

I feel like I already did the whispyr aneurism part on sin round 1

[balmy condor]

they don't need powder when they have sectec

[woeful meteor]

but more AOE pad

[storm forum]

i didnt even know sub could talent out of powder

[blazing jewel]

Whispyr told he’s playing AP on sark

[weak plover]

IC sark sounds cursed

[woeful meteor]

AP + WoundPoison to stop the Healing

[blazing jewel]

Big true

Meta defining

[shut owl]

I miss when 2p CT boost made us eye it in st

[somber fractal]

I will go full single target on sark

adds are for padders

[blazing jewel]

Prio add on mythic is not for padders

[young briar]

You wanna see some padding?

[misty comet]

Nah. Got Instagram for that.

[storm forum]

KB AP for the prio add

[young briar]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/gMHbzw1fd9nXpByP#fight=28&type=damage-done

Tbf the Boss damage parse is still a 99

[shut owl]

thats actually amazing

[blazing jewel]

Parsing on heroic nelth is impossible when he goes immune to damage at the first add spawn

[shut owl]

big mood

I enjoy seeing 2M+ in friendly fire from beacon to beyond during corruption

[silk bane]

@balmy condor its been brought to my attention that sin somehow has a larger variance that the ring rng + beacon crit rng + embel rng spec that is sub. why is sins damage variance larger than sub?

[young briar]

Stats most likely

[silk bane]

bro im padding on the homies what you mean? ez prse

[blazing jewel]

Wouldn’t sub having higher crit chance make the variance for beacon smaller

[young briar]

Yes

[blazing jewel]

For the majority of encounters you can delay it to be in symbols crit windows which would be like 65% crit

[young briar]

thats the point armin is making

Sin has larger variance

[blazing jewel]

Compared to sins what 35%?

[young briar]

What would happen if we ran cold blood + beacon

[silk bane]

hmm but also sin has way less vers so the damage difference isnt as high.

[young briar]

as sin

[silk bane]

but it def could be a factor

also not kidding about paddding on the homies

[blazing jewel]

I’m more so getting at sin critting three beacons in an encounter is possible

[balmy condor]

seal fate probably

[blazing jewel]

But not as hard on sub

So the logs of sin having those crits will exist

[silk bane]

i dont think thats it though, like 2 mutilates are 4 hits, and u just need 1 out of 4 to crit to finish

[blazing jewel]

Cold blood only works on rogue abilities

[balmy condor]

yeah and if you get 2/4 to crit you have an extra cp

and if you get 4/4 to crit and shiv that's also a finish

and if you use garrote instead of shiv that's also a finish

[silk bane]

but 4/4 is actually 2 wasted cps

that gives u 8 cp u cap out at 6

so it doesnt matter

your best case is 2

i was thinking maybe youre more reliant on good sophic procs during DM

vs flat sbu

[balmy condor]

I mean 4/4 cp on 1 mut

but like is this really important

there's like 35 different things that are rng

how much more rng is assa over sub

[silk bane]

honestly I wast just tired of playing rng roulette with sub

like our last rashok reclear just killed my will to play the spec

2 anvil procs in 6:15 min

800k forzen stone damage in 6:15 min

i wanted a spec that my damage is mine not bs procs

but somehow sin was worse

[balmy condor]

bruh I checked sims

the confidence interval difference is under 2k

[silk bane]

eh thats nothign i thought it would be more based off of what eleem said. but either way theyre both rng heavy

[blazing jewel]

Yo purple name

Is there a cap on how much haste effects tick rate for our dots

[balmy condor]

I ain't going hunting for why one spec has a swing that's 900 dps bigger on either side

[main vessel]

Congrats Whispyr on being promoted to Shadow of my heart

[balmy condor]

that's a complete waste of my time

[balmy condor]

no

[silk bane]

yeah thats fair I thought it would be more but 2k is nothign

[balmy condor]

the formula for the tick rate is 1 tick every 2 / (1+haste) seconds

[blazing jewel]

My smooth brain was checking logs

And comparing tick rate from lust

To sark haste buff dm ticks

[balmy condor]

it's this

where Y axis is tick every Y seconds

and X axis is in haste %

[silk bane]

okay based. so we get 450% haste then we run KB

stonks

as fuck

[young briar]

i like this idea

[balmy condor]

it's just an exponential graph

[blazing jewel]

Yo btw

Can we get an explanation of “reading the outlaw faq while doing a key”

Is that a whispyr special

[balmy condor]

I almost got beat by a fucking tank during a key

so I was like fuck it we play outlaw

and I have not played outlaw since it's been called outlaw

[silk bane]

brew or vdh?

[balmy condor]

aside from like

5 pulls on painsmith

because tilt

so I tilted here as well

and I'm like fuck you I have a biletusk

lets do this shit

and my bars weren't set up

I hit shadow dance and it was spamming sinister strike

was a good time

[balmy condor]

vdh

our guilds havoc player can do vdh in keys for fun

bro did 107k in a freehold

[silk bane]

join me in mage gaming whispyr

[balmy condor]

a tank

over 100k

in a dungeon

[oak sky]

Mage is gonna be lit next patch

[balmy condor]

I get people dm'ing me still going "my first 100k woo!"

and In the back of my head

I'm like

bruh

my tank does that

wtf are tanks

[blazing jewel]

[balmy condor]

they're insano

[silk bane]

my rat 404 mage with no tier and trinkets on a 12 treeboss in brackenhide

[blazing jewel]

During the first week

[silk bane]

u kill boss in 40 seconds u do stonks dps

[balmy condor]

it's actually fucking stupid to me that prot pal exists in the game

[blazing jewel]

Our guilds uh dk soloed so many bosses as blood on 20s

[balmy condor]

like as a spec

who decided to give a tank infinite healing

and also infinite survivability

and also infinite interrupts

[silk bane]

^ vdh is even better than ppal right now though

[balmy condor]

and also infinite damage

[silk bane]

more damage and tankier

and with how good casters are

[blazing jewel]

Give them ashen hollow again

[silk bane]

its just flat 5% too

and u dont NEED ppal util to live keys like u did last tier

[balmy condor]

vdh is more damage and tankier sure

but prot pal has way more utility

prot pal does enough group healing to drop the healer entirely in 20's

we ran bdk, prot pal, 3 dps

and it was fine

that's how fucking dumb prot pal is

[woeful meteor]

For Pugging avengers shield/divine toll is way to good

[balmy condor]

that shit is ridiculous

idc if vdh does 10% more damage and takes 10% less damage

[silk bane]

oh yeah the interupts is just stupid

like so good its not even rela

[balmy condor]

the fact that prot pal can off-heal the entire party and also interrupt everything 24/7

is just so crazy dumb

[gusty mirage]

Seems fine to me

[balmy condor]

when I run with a prot pal

there's been dungeons

[gusty mirage]

I think they need to buff prot pala tbh

[balmy condor]

where it does more group healing

than the healer

and also 5x the damage

and I'm sitting there like okay

why the fuck do healers exist

[blazing jewel]

Cosmetic role

[balmy condor]

the only thing prot paladin is missing is a big healer cooldown

and it could legitmatelly do all 3 roles at once

[young briar]

cough lay on hands

[balmy condor]

I mean wog is just lay on hands

[gusty mirage]

That’s not a healer cd tho

[balmy condor]

I'm talking a big aoe cooldown

like if they had ashen hallow still

prot pal could run laps around everyone

[gaunt moat]

Don't forget to mention they can do all of that with like 10+ilvls lower

[young briar]

Moment of Silence for Ashen Hallow

[gusty mirage]

Ashen was dumb as fuck

[silk bane]

dont worry theyll get a new ability in 10.1.5 : divine intervention; 2 min cd. basically gives everyone in your group spellwarding absorbing up to 900k damage.

trust

its balanced

[balmy condor]

but yeh they don't need lay on hands

they just have wog

for 3 holy power

with no cd

does the same thing

[gusty mirage]

Divine intervention was already a thing

[silk bane]

wait really? i was just cooking shit up LOL

[gusty mirage]

It was Paladin soulstone

[balmy condor]

prot pal's just casually throwing out 400k wogs onto people

[bitter aurora]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[balmy condor]

anyway fuck prot pal

buff bdk

[bitter aurora]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[woeful meteor]

Brakenhide First boss 3 wog and bleeds are gone

[gusty mirage]

It’d sacrifice the pally and make the target immune to everything for 3 minutes @silk bane

[woeful meteor]

+lay and bop

[balmy condor]

it's like a billy mays commercial for oxiclean

[silk bane]

wait thats kinda fucking nuts how old was this ability? could legit break fightes

[woeful meteor]

just had to watch a 144p teleshopping add to understand that one

[gusty mirage]

Wrath of the lich king, it was to prevent full wipes

So you could rez and go again

[runic hinge]

pally couldn't act btw

it would make them immune and out of combat

[balmy condor]

they put that shit on everything

put oxiclean on your marriage to remove that hard trauma you got from walking in on your wife with her "work friend"

oxiclean will remove that stain right out

[agile osprey]

I miss kingsbane

[silk bane]

ah okay okay makes more sense, kidna interesting ability. I always like seeing what insane things they cooked up in previous expansions

they used to be so creative

[thorn fjord]

Didn’t the oxi clean guy OD?

[junior aurora]

yeah divine intervention back in vanilla would kill the paladin and then iceblock someone for a minute basically

[balmy condor]

yes

[thorn fjord]

Crazy

[balmy condor]

he had a heart attack after doing cocaine

or some shit

[gaunt moat]

I want to run sims but getting network errors. this is torture 🥲

[thorn fjord]

It’s Friday

Have some ice cream

[gaunt moat]

It's already saturday here

[balmy condor]

then go to bed

[gaunt moat]

what, like some casual that doesn't sim?

[balmy condor]

yeah

don't be me

I'm me

and I fucking hate it

[woeful meteor]

like some casual that sleeps at 3am

[gaunt moat]

I was you before you were you

[balmy condor]

but I was me are you were me

and I became me

without you being me

[gaunt moat]

exactly
so i need to sim

[thorn fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/total-recall-you-are-not-you-you-are-me-no-shit-arnold-schwarzenegger-gif-25968783

[gaunt moat]

haha perfect

[balmy condor]

but then we would just become each other

[gaunt moat]

man that movie gave me nightmares as a kid

and confused me about the amount of boobs ladies do or should have

[junior aurora]

a number greater than 1 but less than 3 hopefully

[young briar]

i wouldnt say no to 3

[silk bane]

the more the better they say

[bronze pike]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/764934958204321802.gif?size=44&quality=lossless

Wtb sim rework

[woeful meteor]

next week 10.1.5 Changes

[deft flicker]

<3

[spice spire]

Any fixes in chat?

[unreal parcel]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[bronze pike]

one

been a hectic month

you know duskwalkers right? the sl lego that gave you more vendetta uptime?

okay

prison shiv: your shiv debuff duration is extended by .5 seconds per every application of your poisons and bleeds

to introduce a new form of playstyle, instead of wating for yoru bleeds and poisons to complete finish like a virgin, you can just spam shiv empowered nature poisons and bleeds like a chad

[balmy condor]

the lightweight shiv buff that could've been

+1 charge I guess

[bronze pike]

ya but my fix, if properly played :) means you never have to press hiv again

so its just as good

[tacit otter]

i played couple keys and still play really bad but in aoe the build feels really nice. did 160 on a 21 freehold, st feels absolutely dogshit but same as before tbh

[proper tapir]

yeah that's what i've seen too, bigger numbers in aoe and ST bosses are like lol

[tacit otter]

but thats not a big deal for me, st dmg is low anyways i rather pull 20-50k more each pack than 5-10k more in st

[azure grail]

hello, maybe dumb question. I noticed that dropping the 1 point in resounding clarity and taking 2/2 lethality is a consistent dps gain for the venom rush build, putting it only -0.2% behind exsang instead of -0.7%. Here's a sim using the profiles in the Whispyr sheet as of a few minutes ago: https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/rMGyZXDtk6gTse6XL4Hzdx (but it's true for my character on live also)

did I mess up the sim somehow? or is this something that's just known and ignored?

[strange python]

Well sin in farm is my definite play now

[tacit otter]

also fok on 2 targets doesnt feel as bad as i expected, maybe because i fixed my stats last reset for 43% crit

[balmy condor]

it's known but it also makes everything very inconsistent

[azure grail]

okay, figured something like that might be the case, also a quality of life thing like CttC I guess. thanks

[balmy condor]

just playing ER without resounding makes for...... awkward gameplay

[kindred rapids]

Sin sims well but that doesn't seem to translate to logs

[balmy condor]

ER -> finisher for example is guaranteed every time atm

wouldn't be with that

[kindred rapids]

Sin is at least 4% behind sub on Rashok and mag in logs last time I checked

Is that just because no one is playing it?

[blazing jewel]

bad kill time for sin

[slow needle]

2 things, the buff isn't in yet and by comparison fewer people are playing it yeah.

[blazing jewel]

when people get full bis and blast magmorax I think sin kill time could be good

[slow needle]

Is 6:30 really that bad for Sin?

The just sub 6 min kills would be bad yeah. But most kills are 6:15-6:30 at a glance.

[woeful meteor]

you loose 4pc value

[kindred rapids]

Yeah most early kills should allow 4 vendettas

[blazing jewel]

and your first dm is like 5 seconds in

[keen spruce]

you basically just want a full deathmark and 4pc burn in execute

for maximum pamp

[balmy condor]

yeh rashok time is ass

you barely finish your 6min deathmark when it dies

essentially just lose your entire 4pc value on that dm

[gilded seal]

Can we still do log reviews here or do we have another channel for that?

[balmy condor]

we have wowanalyzer for that

[gilded seal]

K

[keen spruce]

new wowanalyzer is

[tacit otter]

topple said some time ago he works with you on implementing sepsis stuff on wowanalyzer, hows that going?

[gray hazel]

Has their been any more update to the toxic vs slimy boots debate? Or are they still neck and neck?

Does the 5% buff impact one more than the other?

[balmy condor]

I give myself a project

but then other shit comes up

I have like

some of it working

like sepsis tracking works

empowered sepsis garrotes work

but I need to add a check for the vanish usage, as well as a check for timing the second garrote

which are not easy things to do

[tacit otter]

i can imagine making it work in opener with the multiple emp garrote application is huge dispair

[balmy condor]

topple's been great though

he's given me the tools

without giving me the answer

he's like "yeah you can find what you need here"

and then I have to go and like

figure out what the code should be

and then he looks at it and goes "you're a fucking idiot"

[tacit otter]

sounds like me at uni tbh

[balmy condor]

(he doesn't do that last part, but I imagine he will)

[gilded oasis]

sounds like you

[balmy condor]

a lovely non-toxic human being with a strong desire to help players of his favorite spec succeed

I've never said anything inflamatory in my life

couldn't be me

[brazen zodiac]

whisp too cool 💃

[strange python]

This is very funny guys you can cut out the jokes now

Ah there’s more nevermind lmao

[blazing jewel]

stop laughing right now

[strange python]

Just pvp stuff for sub tho

Is that a change that’s accepted? 5% damage increase?

I don’t know if that’s a really huge game changer or not

[tacit otter]

its more than we've had the last few months

[strange python]

Well I’m glad you guys are getting something

[tacit otter]

but of course its not changing any major gameplay problems

[strange python]

outlaw main over here crying

they hate me

[balmy condor]

someone link me a garbage sepsis log they have

[strange python]

at least they’re not treating us like warlocks rn

[balmy condor]

I need to test wowanalyzer code

on some rancid logs

so if you're smelly and bad hmu

I love you long time

[tacit otter]

sorry i dont have bad logs :^)

[balmy condor]

I'm boutta log check you so hard bucko

[tacit otter]

free log review lets go

[balmy condor]

EU-blackmoore

wow

either you're german or dumb

[tacit otter]

ja

:^)

[balmy condor]

[tacit otter]

it was just the server my gf picked when we started in SL

and now im here

[balmy condor]

HMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

a green sepsis log you say

lets see

[tacit otter]

that kill was something else

[balmy condor]

7 minute kazzara is pretty wild

[tacit otter]

but guild struggled to kill kazzara on 1 raid night

[balmy condor]

OH YEAH

THATS THE STUFF

we found the rancid log

[tacit otter]

it was at first raid of sepsis things were weird

[balmy condor]

excellent

[tacit otter]

but i came back strong no? haha

[balmy condor]

yeah sure

that's a sepsis ambush

[tacit otter]

it was before i had a sepsis wa

so i had to look at buff bar

[earnest remnant]

[balmy condor]

yeh

but this is great

this is exactly what I'm looking for

just the most confusing sepsis gameplay imagineable

this will work

[unreal mesa]

@tacit otter thanks for taking one for the boys!

[tacit otter]

every day of the week

[runic hinge]

glad it aint me

[tacit otter]

i didnt play sepsis in SL because i was never nf, so i had no clue what it even does

[unreal mesa]

its a button, I just press it sometimes when I remember

[tacit otter]

ye i just heard sepsis and played it, iirc it was even before you made the first pins in tc-assassination so i just went for it

[tacit otter]

when playing no exsang 8/10 times i dont reapply my first sepsis garr, so feel you

[balmy condor]

that's fine

we seeing the juice

it's working

[gilded oasis]

i cant play sepsis no exsang I cant learn another opener

[drifting cloud]

you could have just taken any of oxxis logs!

or mine!

[brazen zodiac]

i think i got u

c:

[gilded oasis]

[balmy condor]

it can be

:)

[wispy iris]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[cunning nest]

Niiiiiice 5%

Let's take away annulet 5% earlier I guess

[keen spruce]

I haven't been wearin my annulet since week 2

do people just not sim rings or is there that much variation with other people's gear sets

[twilit hollow]

!pandemic

[prisma monolith]

Pandemic takes up to 30% of the duration of a applied dot/buff and adds it to your new applied one. The duration depends on the new instance.
Example: Garrote (18 sec) can be extended by up to 5.4 seconds from an existing instance.
Note: Pandemic applies to most but not all debuffs/buffs

[balmy condor]

annulet is very good for many people

I can't get rid of it no matter how hard I try

can't even drop eranog ring reliably

[keen spruce]

weird

yeeted them around the same time

maybe like a week later for eggnog but i was forgetting to sim against double sophic

[runic hinge]

lmao wait

I would drop annualet for 415 cos ring and only lose 71 dps?!

my gear is wacked

[spice spire]

Freehold ring from vault saved me

[clever sapphire]

Havent got a single ring drop yet 🤔

[gentle flower]

Yo

5% buff

Is that enough or what

[balmy condor]

pins

[strange python]

Where are our ptr changes tho

[simple niche]

any information about when raidbots is up to date for the 5% buff?

[clever sapphire]

Maybe enough for them to justify that rogue got changes xD
(Outlaw rtb change and now this)

[wispy iris]

so we hold dm with exang at 3 min for a 4 min kill, hold exang for dm at 4 min for a 5 min kill right

[spiral pasture]

is assa gonna be the best ST spec after the buff?

[next arch]

Probs not.

[balmy condor]

the tuning is on weekly reset, so raidbots will be updated with the weekly reset

[simple niche]

Sadge, but thanks for the info!

[balmy condor]

You can use the lines in #tc-research in expert mode if you really need it

Or just sim yourself normally

And add like 4k to whatever it spits out

I like the second option

[honest path]

Funny… decided yesterday to drop sub and come back to my beloved Assa spec. Then 5% flat buff for Assa. Must be destiny.

[hoary remnant]

https://wago.io/Lgy47ma7G how does this wa work? So gerrote at the end of sepsis to have it empowered?

[balmy condor]

afaik it tracks the sepsis buff

You want to use the first buff normally to empower garrote

The second one you hold as long as possible

[vestal wren]

nice pin 👍

[hoary remnant]

Ok sorry for asking I read the pins but I don't get sepsis yet. So we press sepsis and immediately want to empower our garrote and wait until sepsis buff runs out on target so 10 seconds + 5 seconds where we can use empowered spells from stealth is that correct?

[pseudo nimbus]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[keen spruce]

sorta

press sepsis

u get to use an empowered garrote

10s later

you have a chance to use another empowered garrote

but your first one is still runnin

so wait until the latest part to use that 2nd empowered garrote

or until the first one is in pandemic

like if you use that WA and spesis a target dummy

blue shit comes up but starts counting down

the first one you garrote right after sepsis in your opener

10s later blue pops up again and counting down

try to use garrote right before blue shit goes away

i think it turns red now actually

in the last few seconds

[hoary remnant]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/LuxthosRogueDragonflight (Luxthos's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[winter gale]

How do I use anvil+Bomb combo?

[balmy condor]

Anvil prio

[vapid pawn]

Grats mr.Shadow

[balmy condor]

Ty bakayonko of the subtlety kingsbane clan

[vapid pawn]

Yay im sin main, dunno why i still got the tag of sub

[vestal wren]

subtlety is your secret desire

[vapid pawn]

SL Flag sub but dont tell anyone

[molten galleon]

currebntly simming my subgear for assa and double warthing devotion, is siming better thaen sophic, that means I gave way to low haste no ? 😄

[fleet pagoda]

if you're in your sub gear, yeah. unless you were sandbaggin as sub and stacked haste

you'll still want a lot of crit and mastery but don't wanna skimp on the haste

[molten galleon]

@fleet pagoda you see my haste ? me neither

[fleet pagoda]

that's actually impressive lol

[gaunt moat]

We did it. exsang is not 1% higher if I'll get beacon somehow 🥲

[molten galleon]

just got the set shoulders with haste and the boots with -haste 😄 nearly 0

[vapid pawn]

Do we still sim with latest on raidbots or nightly?

[subtle tundra]

🥺 🥺 🥺 🥺 🥺 🥺 🥺 🥺 can we get some m+++++++++++++++++++ BUFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFSsSSSSSSSSSSSssssssss

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[deft flicker]

Any desire is a secret desire if you have high enough anxiety

[vestal wren]

deep

[deft flicker]

Also any chance we see Flag role icon??

[vestal wren]

its not that bad anymore, sin is only ~5% behind in dungeon slice anymore

[subtle tundra]

except i dont want to write you a 2k word essay

why assa is bad

[vestal wren]

think flag is now default, not sure if we need a icon/role for it

[supple snow]

just 5%?

it was like 17-18% behind before

[vestal wren]

#1065730164077645916 merk found quite some improvements

and the 4% buff on top

[subtle tundra]

for AP........................

[vestal wren]

its not only for ap

[subtle tundra]

bro we already do 0 st with DTB

currently you cant be good in m+ without doing good st

even sub st is "low" compared to the meta

[vestal wren]

this was the build i had simming top

so its not AP

[subtle tundra]

also, fucking HATE 4pc

[vestal wren]

would be this, but maybe changed with apl updates
BMQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIkkkERClEAAAAAAAJBQiAAAAAAAINk4AlkQSSSapkIQSIRCA

[royal lantern]

i mean, the 4pc is really fking boring

oh wait, you mean for m+ varas

[subtle tundra]

if it were boring it would be fine

2pc is boring

4pc is annoying

[vestal wren]

ironically

outlaw is the only spec that got a exciting tier

[royal lantern]

ye, for raid its just a passive dmg increase and in m+ it starts some degen gameplay

fuck tiersets

🙂

[deft flicker]

The icon looks cool and I still see people opting out of it occasionally. Also CB seems to be present in pretty much all builds and it has an icon role

[subtle tundra]

also, both tiers so far have had our mediocre aoe be carried by the tier sets being so powerful in aoe
6 points into pure aoe talents just to not even be good aoe

[royal lantern]

reminder that many of those thing are done as a meme @deft flicker

like assa and exsang icon lol

[gaunt moat]

Just saw dratno's video. Even he said rogue needs a rework.
First time i hear him say rogue is not FINE.

[subtle tundra]

Dr. Atnos into something?!?

[gaunt moat]

And that this buff is just a band-aid

[royal lantern]

i mean, its a big community perception +

now imagine if dratons says assa needs help MORE then boomkin

[deft flicker]

Next thing he sees is a boomkin flapping through his window and pecking him to death

[gaunt moat]

What he said exactly was:
"I think that rogue and hunter needs a more deep-dive into their talents to see where their damage is coming from."

[vestal wren]

tbh rogue in general needs some attention

[royal lantern]

oh wow, fuu is alive

[vestal wren]

rly think we shouldn't have 3 specs with the sam damage profile

[supple snow]

I believe it's set piece problem

[royal lantern]

big advice incomming: dont make tier effects like that then

[gaunt moat]

You believe each spec should have a niche?

[royal lantern]

🙂

[supple snow]

if only blizz could listen

[royal lantern]

each spec should have their personal support animal

[vestal wren]

not having the same damage profile would be enough to start with

[gaunt moat]

What do you mean by different damage profile?

[grand trail]

where you assa guys send beacon in opener?

[royal lantern]

after DM

except on Magma, there you send it pre DM cus of killtimer

[grand trail]

like inside DM?

[royal lantern]

no

when DM window is over

[grand trail]

i see

ty

[supple snow]

has anyone tested CT for single target lately ?

[royal lantern]

dont

🙂

[winter gale]

@gaunt moat I just imported your wa for Sepsis. I did make it narrower

Somehow it dissapears, cancel itself

Can that adjustment be the reason?

[gaunt moat]

I need some more info
When does it dissapear

[winter gale]

Both 1st and 2nd image

1st right after garrote but that can be intentional I guess

2nd just shows up and insta dissapera

dissapear

[gaunt moat]

Yes, it's gone when you consume your self buff

[winter gale]

I used it on 2 bosses so far, maybe I am just figuring things wrongly

[gaunt moat]

Test it on a dummy

positioning should not have an impact if you made it narrower.
It's either you insta-garroted or insta-ambushed when it popped up.

Since that would consume your Sepsis buff.

[craggy oak]

Not all 3 specs having flat lines

[winter gale]

Works well, pardon me @gaunt moat

I narrowed it into other animation so it was less visible 😄

[fallen charm]

I've made a sepsis WA but I had to make 2 because I didn't manage to track the self buff and the enemy debuff at the same time

[royal lantern]

mfw assa is the "bursty" spec

when its dot based

[fallen charm]

works like this

the blue border is the self buff

[clear granite]

so, do we use iridius frag or bomb+beacon is the go

[balmy condor]

pins

[royal lantern]

its just

we went from "bomb+beacon is bis"

to "bomb+beacon or nelth trinket is bis"

[fallen charm]

we dropped a nelth trinket on thursday, thank god it wasn't for my group, i'd kill myself if I passed on it

[clear granite]

my next question would be , we use bomb i assume b4 we rapture after echoing rep ?

[vestal wren]

essence is up there too

[fallen charm]

bomb is on cd if you don't have another on-use trinket

[vestal wren]

if you get all buffs

[limber lion]

Depends if you use double on use

[clear granite]

on the bomb beacon scenario

[fallen charm]

bacon first, than spam bombs forever

[royal lantern]

no

bombs first

beacon after DM is over

[clear granite]

im reffering to the opener part

since faq still plays with fragment

and its pretty default the way it uses it

[royal lantern]

yeha, i refer to the opener aswell

you apply bomb on pull

and apply another bomb before DM

and then beacon when DM is over

[clear granite]

sounds legit

[limber lion]

It depends on fight length honestly, but doing that works for most things

[royal lantern]

you use bomb pre-DM on fights where the lenght means 1 less beacon cast

[clear granite]

ye obv but as a general rule

[royal lantern]

aka magma

[ornate dawn]

Simming rings to replace annulet

+23 dps . . . soon

[clear granite]

for exampl, if no matter what we fit 2 beacons in a fight, we double bomb pull and beacon after dfm

dm

[royal lantern]

yes

if the fight is like 5:20 lenght, you use beacon pre dm

as an example

[clear granite]

ye

[royal lantern]

on rashok as an example, 1 of the few fights where dps actually matters, you can just do beacon after DM cus of the killtimer

(and accept that the killtimer is giga cursed anyway)

[shell osprey]

nice i can feel less bad about not using exsang now!

only .5% behind!

[ruby rover]

when analyzer is looking at envenom usage and it's complaining about the absence of rupture on the target is it looking deep enough to say 'and that target lived long enough that rupture would have been the right call' or is it just flagging any envenom with low/absent rupture?

e.g. https://wowanalyzer.com/report/p38Hc9k1jYW2dXQz/1-Mythic++The+Underrot+-+Kill+(24:19)/Illuria/standard/overview

[balmy condor]

It’s flagging any

[ruby rover]

got it, ok, less worrisome then. thanks.

[balmy condor]

It’s also in no way built for m+ analysis

[solid mica]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[nova saddle]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[lavish hazel]

What is the stat weight for raid

6000 crit 1000 haste 3000 mastery 2000 vers ?

[vestal wren]

if you mean stat distribution, crit is still the most important stat

(but also distribution is limited by gear, so you should rly sim for your gear)

[lavish hazel]

3000 haste oof

Yes I will sim was just asking for any indicator and how far I am rn

[royal lantern]

stat weights dont exist

fuu

dont make it more complicated then it is

[vestal wren]

i didn't talk about stat weights

[cursive smelt]

5% all ability ?

[vestal wren]

the buff is a 4% damage increase

[misty holly]

I find stat weights useful for quickly identifying if an item is worth bothering with.

When something drops in a dungeon and you need to know do I ask them for it, or if they asked me do I need to keep it for myself you need an idea of what stats are what.

No time to run a 3 minute sim when you are busy playing and things come up.

[cursive smelt]

just go simu after the dungeon

[misty holly]

I mean sure and by the time it's done the group is disbanded and you missed the chance to trade loot efficiently

[cursive smelt]

you call your intention to your mate before the end of the dungeon like the appointments after school in primary lol

don't worry that when it's for loot people stay x)

[vestal wren]

top gear is the best way to find gear, stat weights are mostly useless

[amber stream]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[pure moth]

if it can be higher ilvl than what you have currently, keep it. You can balance stats after if you want.

[austere fulcrum]

dont tell me we need 3k haste now pls

or near

[vestal wren]

i don't, it is just one profile that happens to end up the top simming one

stats are not fixed in that you need a specific amount, some are better, others are worse and they interact with each other

so it is possible that different stat distributions reach similar dps or get close

[cosmic prism]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[vestal wren]

this is also why we always tell people to sim their options, gear differs and there are other factors like race choice too

reaching absolute bis might be a goal for some, but it is typically more realistic to get close-ish to that

(even players who play a lot at high levels rarely manage to get absolute bis)

tho the new gearing system has their advantages now too

crafted gear can reach rly close to bis, so you usually can get very strong even without being at the very top in raiding

[stiff geode]

#justwingit

😂 naw I kid, I still run sims but am pretty casual aside from being a raidbots enjoyer....make me think how stacked whoever came up with raidbots is

[vestal wren]

raidbots is a brilliant idea, basically made it easy for everyone to use simc

you would either need to run it locally (pre compiled) or compile it yourself when i started theorycrafting

people newer to it, never experienced this ^^

[stiff geode]

I think I ran it locally during BfA days
and yes it is very brilliant and much props to the team behind it

[tardy basin]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[spice spire]

Local sims

[spice surge]

Those were dark times

[vestal wren]

tbh i am lucky that the majority that does contribute to apl atm never had to jump through those loops

for me it was mostly a problem of accessibility

my pc, as most know, is not very powerful, so even running few apl comparisons with low target error took me hours to complete on my laptop

raidbots allows to iterate a lot faster and the interface allows a lot more people to contribute

[delicate hemlock]

the noise my pc fans use to make when i ran simc 😂

[vestal wren]

e.g. when i put out sth like the text files with gear, everyone can just put in a profile from the spreadsheet in top gear and potentially find a better gear combination

most of those who can do that now, would not be able to contribute with a local client just simply because of how complicated it is to find gear and compare it compared to a graphical interface

[spice surge]

My only gripe with raidbots is that you cant get the full html results when doing stuff like topgear, but i understand that it allows them to run a lot faster

[spice surge]

Ye and when somebody says their sims are saying something we wouldnt expect you can just link it

Very easy to spot user errors that way

[vestal wren]

oh yes absolutely

[vestal wren]

i mean, it is not perfect by any means, but it allows people to work closer together

and share stuff easier/faster

[delicate hemlock]

im wondering if misunderstood deathmark, does it just duplicate DoTs you apply while its up, or does it just make your dots do double damage while its running? my UI isnt set up well to see what it actually does

the bit in FAQ about having improved garotte up before deathmark makes me think i dont understand the spell

[limber lion]

It duplicates existing bleeds throughout its own duration

Meaning that all bleeds applied before DM and any bleeds applied during it are duplicated

[halcyon arch]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[delicate hemlock]

tyvm

[limber lion]

Once DM drops, the duplicated bleeds also drop

[delicate hemlock]

ahh okay, so its basically double dot damage but with any benefit you get from the extra ticks

[limber lion]

Yeah, double energy via Venomous Wounds for example

It's just 2 identical garrotes and 2 identical ruptures

[delicate hemlock]

banger, i defo misunderstood it haha

[limber lion]

So you want to have a giga garrote before deathmark so you'll have 2 giga garrotes when you press the button :)

[potent python]

quick question for the bomb dispensair, did you guys macro it onto one of your spells ?

[gaunt moat]

I macro'd it to envenom.
is it a great idea? ehhh.

[potent python]

idk but in subtelty you can just bind it on one of your spells and forget about it

[gaunt moat]

sometimes it blocks my other trinket and then i'm a bit upset

[potent python]

i did the same for my outlaw spec

yeah ik thats why i was asking for the beacon

[delicate hemlock]

no macro for me although im gunna guess most people have it macrod

i really dont wanna mess up my bacon by accidentally sending a bomb and getting ICD though so never really even thought about macro'ing it

[potent python]

ye

[storm forum]

I'll macro my trinkets when i replace puzzle box but that doesnt seem to be happening ever

[supple snow]

maybe macroed to Garrote is a better optioon?

[gaunt moat]

no because you use garrote less often

[supple snow]

probably no difference there though

[gaunt moat]

and you might have it ready and not use it

[supple snow]

does it proc more than once every 18 sec? damn

don't have it yet. thought it procs less. damn

[woeful meteor]

just dont macro it, is having a bind for each trinket so uncommon?

[gaunt moat]

it might be ready in 2 seconds, but you just used garrote, that's what i mean

you're not gonna press garrote again anytime soon

[supple snow]

makes sense

but soon it will be replaced. so it's fine

we will be using Suffering and Dispenser

should be fine

no blockage

[gaunt moat]

In a game with so many buttons, it's a balance of how much mental overload you can take off yourself.
there's benefits and cons.

[supple snow]

big true. I kinda hate two on use trinkets for exactly that reason. the CD share helps that though

[woeful meteor]

Yeh I know but I just had a botton for both trinkets since I started, so everyone asking where can I macro this button I press every 15 sec makes me think they didnt have a designated trinket button before

[gusty mirage]

I actually can’t fit a bind for it unless I add a brand new bind

[shut owl]

I like macroing my trinkets as much as possible. I don't macro this one for fear of interrupting flow on a bigger on use though

[gusty mirage]

But I probably have more binds than the average person anyway lol

[gaunt moat]

do you have binds for macros to flame healers?

[shut owl]

Do you use your function keys? My wife had a stroke seeing that I had stealth and tricks bound to f2/4

[delicate hemlock]

ever since i played druid for a season i now feel like every class has no buttons

[gusty mirage]

I don’t flame anyone

[woeful meteor]

I macro trinkets pots and whatever as much as I can aswell, but they all have a non macrod button

[gusty mirage]

Lmfao bruh Druid binds are next level

[woeful meteor]

Arena 1,2,3 Binds

[gusty mirage]

Absolutely wild how many binds you can have for useful shit

[gaunt moat]

Do you have binds for macros to flame compliment healers?

[gusty mirage]

I don’t compliment them either

Never let your teammates know how you feel

[delicate hemlock]

i had to like rewire my own brain to set up my druid binds 😂 now binding double on use on rogue is like take my pick of my favourite spare bind its lovely

[gusty mirage]

New aged philosophy of zero emotion motivation

Also play push to talk and never say a thing

That way people invent their own motivation through your inaction

And you get plausible deniability

[gaunt moat]

[gusty mirage]

When keys go bad people think I’m upset

When in reality I never gave a shit to begin with

[gaunt moat]

This is how you know this guy is a lawyer

He maintains his right of silence

[gusty mirage]

Like this was my queue on Spotify during nelth prog

I was straight chillin

Embody the meme friends

[vestal wren]

[gusty mirage]

[royal lantern]

[gusty mirage]

People were getting kinda angy

[storm forum]

is that where i went wrong? i made a playlist that wasnt just that week's poprock earworm?

[gusty mirage]

Melee was chilling typing the lyrics to each other in WFT group

You memorize your melee designated spot

And just chill

[gaunt moat]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHTsaJRai24

[gusty mirage]

It’s our turn this time

[gaunt moat]

It's okay, I was a 21 pilots binge.
specificly nico and the niners

[royal lantern]

my best friend is a laywer, and he always goes full scorched earth if something is starting to tilt him

taking screenshots of the guy shittalking his raidteam in the dungeon chat, looking for the guild, messaging the RL in discord and sending the pic

cus he told him his healing sucks

[storm forum]

man

i wanna tell ur friend his healing sucks

that sounds hilarious

[deft vault]

Anyone have a good rupture/garrote weakaura that tracks pandemic and if th bleed is empoyered?

[royal lantern]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/LuxthosRogueDragonflight (Luxthos's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[oblique kiln]

Getting my butt kicked in the mage tower is it necessary to kite any of these guys I know you gotta stay away from the axe guy when he goes beserker or kidney him but other then that?

[limber lion]

Nope, you just tank em. You have to multidot to meet the dps check

Just takes a fair bit of practice

Whispyr has a guide for it in Wowhead

[keen spruce]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_jVwNcQqVI&t=488s this was my senarth prog playlist

[ruby birch]

hello guys i am new chemist rogue

i love poisons

[austere lintel]

is the fragment still oversimming on raidbots?

[clever sapphire]

According to pins, yes

[austere lintel]

rip

[winter gale]

Was there a bluepost?

[austere lintel]

not about the trinket, no

At least i dont think there was

[winter gale]

5% dmg buff?

[gusty mirage]

Yes

It’s an aura buff though

So it’s not exactly 5%

Closer to 4% because auras don’t affect melee auto attacks

[austere lintel]

oh the dmg buff had an blue post, yea

[winter gale]

Its something

Im happy

[gusty mirage]

And not even part of the 10.1.5 tuning that was stated

Where are the doomers now?

[clever sapphire]

I dunno, getting a 5% buff makes me even more sad. Because its like putting tape on a broken glass
(Doomer here just for you)

[earnest remnant]

wah wah m+ dmg

i got you oxi

[gusty mirage]

Ty

So let me get this straight

Getting no buffs makes you sad

[woeful meteor]

wah wah psychic link so good add to sin pls

[gusty mirage]

And getting an unexpected aura buff

Also makes you sad?

[clever sapphire]

Yap

Always dooming

[gusty mirage]

Fair enough

Now we need to circle in people complaining about snd and we have the perfect quarterly session

[clever sapphire]

Feck i dont have that

[brazen zodiac]

hehe

[clever sapphire]

I can complain about bonespike not being deathspike

Good enough?

[woeful meteor]

I saw no cct is 0.5 ahead again 😄

[gusty mirage]

No that’s a valid complaint though

There’s absolutely no reason sbs couldn’t have had deathspike incorporated into it

Considering during SL it was worth like 80 dps in ST lmao

[deft flicker]

Those fucking Grand Melee changes

[clever sapphire]

Legit only reason it even got little play was because of deathspike no?

[gusty mirage]

Yep, deathspike was useless in ST

Well close to

5 charges were nice ig

[clever sapphire]

Ye more fillers on downtime 🤷‍♂️

[woeful meteor]

Once we got double lego we were flag snapshotting in ST anyway

Good Times

[gusty mirage]

OG deathspike was huge

Outlaw rogues ruined that for us

Dirty fucking pirates

[clever sapphire]

I played all the conevants besides kyrian after we got double legendaries

Good thing ER got its legendary effect right?

[gusty mirage]

Considering how shit dance is for us, I’m glad

[deft flicker]

Yea

[gusty mirage]

Because uh one capstone gaming not the play

[clever sapphire]

Tbh all the capstones are kinda meh

[gusty mirage]

Tea is good

Why does everyone hate on my boy

[deft flicker]

I like the sippy

[clever sapphire]

I think bonespike would have been better in ERs place

[woeful meteor]

But what about 20 emp garrotes with stealth vanish, dance and IC

[gusty mirage]

[woeful meteor]

Big dmg in KEys

[clever sapphire]

And the talent under just add deathspike or some way to make bonespike more ST relevant

[vestal wren]

not sure if tea is equally "fun" to use on all 3 specs

[gusty mirage]

I mean it’s used the same way essentially for all 3

You pop first one to put it on CD and use at low energy

Seems fine

[deft flicker]

Not starving is fun

[clever sapphire]

Wdym I use it because that big mastery buff and not for the energy

[deft flicker]

That’s the flavour

[gusty mirage]

[woeful meteor]

Average #subtlety m+ player

[clever sapphire]

That moment when you are sub colored and your only role is exsang

[deft flicker]

Sippy is tasty. And sippy quenches thirst nicely. Both are fine

[clever sapphire]

Atleast get sepsis because its gucchi

[woeful meteor]

I like exsang tho

[clever sapphire]

But sepsis...

[woeful meteor]

And the sub colour rest of that spec 🤮

Me on Wednesday

My RL will not get me to play that spec again

[gusty mirage]

[deft flicker]

Dance in class tree feels a bit awkward tbh since only Outlaw tries to get it

[clever sapphire]

Dance to me is a sub rogue ability, feels weird to see it anywhere else

[deft flicker]

But moving it to Outlaw spec tree would be even more awkward

[woeful meteor]

Sub having basically 100% FW Uptime and Sin not rly gaining something from the armor pen just makes it a 4 point node for them which is kinda bad

[gusty mirage]

Wdym a gain of like 2-3% uptime on find weakness is ENORMOUS

[royal lantern]

when a bigger part of your dmg also ignore armor anyway

[vestal wren]

[woeful meteor]

[deft flicker]

Your RL on Wednesday:

[woeful meteor]

Maybe I play it in heroic one last time and break my hands with rotten to make it even more fun

[deft flicker]

[woeful meteor]

pretty sure my rl wont mind me on Sin 😄

[gusty mirage]

We were holding hands on the leaderboards for a while

[woeful meteor]

[gusty mirage]

I’d see your name and be like

[spice spire]

You’ve been gaslit all along

Tell your raidlead that

Gaslight them back

[clever sapphire]

Why would you play sub if it does less than your assa

[woeful meteor]

idk what we did last week wanted to play adds on Diurna and just get some more dmg on rasz to get top 3 all star, but we choked or something(we are rly good at choking dont check rashok prog )

Idk convince myself I'm not a one trick or something

and honestly once I play it a lot my sub is fine it just takes a while and on Sin I just play and blast

[woeful meteor]

now I will forver hold hands with

[deft flicker]

Then just do the blasties as sin

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/teletubbies-lala-po-poh-walking-gif-22092325

Me and you

[deft flicker]

Being comfy and in a good mood is instant +10% DPS

[woeful meteor]

fuck my brain forgot to write that I'm holding hands with zero now

[gusty mirage]

It’s 20% if you listen to pay phone

[woeful meteor]

together forever with him

[gusty mirage]

I’m so sorry

[deft flicker]

DPS amps do be like that

[woeful meteor]

how does the math work out with -50% dps from me mental booming once raid starts going bad tho

[gusty mirage]

Payphone at 100% volume fixes that

[woeful meteor]

pretty sure payphone is in my main playlist actually

[deft flicker]

Freephone when

[woeful meteor]

yep its in playlist is only 19 Hours long so it should show up at some point

[gusty mirage]

Gonna need to pump up those payphone queues

[deft vault]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[onyx crane]

so do we now run crimson tempest in raids too :3

[vestal wren]

no^^

[gaunt moat]

Fuu, is zaqali assault a joke to you?

[granite sentinel]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[vestal wren]

fair, okay so we run it probably on one fight

[gaunt moat]

I expected the answer to be yes

[gusty mirage]

Yes

Yes it is

[vestal wren]

i am glad we don't run crimson tempest on every fight

but maybe some people would like that

[forest chasm]

When that even got into conversation with the first view of the set bonus i got nervous

glad they adjusted it enough

[eager solstice]

Does someone have a link to that sim with high haste?

[vestal wren]

both top sims are about the same but:
from my sheet: https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/1qE6ajFbKVRrzyBKR8KsCR/simc
from whispyrs: https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/95jvTVuwsxyCKUt5cve2E2/simc

[cunning tartan]

hello guys how is ass in current times?

[onyx crane]

depends on how well rounded

[eager solstice]

Ty

[coral jasper]

When we get 5% buff?

Or we got it already? xD

[graceful solstice]

next reset

[spiral pasture]

sorry for probaably repeat question but how do you sim with buffs?

[spiral pasture]

ty

[gusty mirage]

I do a lot of squats, so my ass is pretty firm

[subtle tundra]

Leg day enjoyer

[lucid mirage]

Was thinking about sbs over sepsis for specifically mythic experiments since it's pretty large 2 target, is that super troll

[eager solstice]

yeah that's troll, first phase lasts a good min. not worth it

[supple snow]

where is the new Dslice research ?

[deft flicker]

Whispyr sleps

[vestal wren]

#1065730164077645916 , Merk made a big post there.
link to the post: #1065730164077645916 message

[brazen zodiac]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[supple snow]

thanks

[peak bobcat]

🫦

Is sepsis an on cd angle?

[limber lion]

Yes

[runic hinge]

New build kinda slaps

[wraith cosmos]

that AP build?

[runic hinge]

yeah

[royal lantern]

that looks a bit more like the group not playing good lol

like

[runic hinge]

lol

it's a little of both

[royal lantern]

firemage doing under 100k is a bit......oof

[brazen zodiac]

x.x

[young briar]

Guys, on amalgamation do you also run between the 2 mobs an multi dot or is it better to just sit and ST

[royal lantern]

like, either the tank pulls like shit, or the mage plays like shit

[runic hinge]

it was only an 18 uld

i was kinda blasting tho

[tacit otter]

build is quite nice for aoe, its fun having to press diff stuff than usual

[mortal tusk]

what's the build ?

[balmy condor]

Y’all acting like this is the first time you’ve ever heard of AP/IC

[brazen zodiac]

lmao

[runic hinge]

heck yeah, I ran in it a hoi and it wasn't great

lol

[tacit otter]

its actually the first time i tried it, played it on a 12 or something in s1 but thats it

[royal lantern]

mate, you know how this disc works

but i mean hey, if people think its fun and works for them, who am i to judge

[clever sapphire]

A vulpera rogue on the assa rogue discord, enough rights to judge

[royal lantern]

you talk about whisp or me now?

[balmy condor]

When I suggested it in season 1 the argument was the single target makes it unplayable, cause it does like 70k or something, but now the sim number shiny green number up so no issues

[gaunt moat]

Theres is only one way to make sin good in m+
and that's to play with really shit players

[gusty mirage]

We gonna ignore the resto shaman doing more damage than the bear?

[clever sapphire]

Whisp always has the right to judge, thats his job here

[runic hinge]

trust me, i roasted the bear for it

[royal lantern]

the ST suffering part is still there aswell

like

[gusty mirage]

[balmy condor]

Yeh I mean it’s just hype because sim number up

I get it

Raidbots say funny number

[clever sapphire]

I mean its fort week so its more fine to have less st

Just funny how nobkdy touched it before

[runic hinge]

he deserves it

[gusty mirage]

The mammoth in neltharus in a 20 or higher has a few words for you

[balmy condor]

I even had it in the wowhead guide for season 1

[clever sapphire]

Or vortex endboss, or bracken endboss

Well ye

[balmy condor]

And the faq too

[gusty mirage]

Idk who designed that boss but they’re an evil human being

[balmy condor]

[clever sapphire]

I know, read it. But i saw low ST and i was like heeeeell nah

[balmy condor]

Yeh

I’m bracing for Tuesday

[clever sapphire]

Tuesday?

[balmy condor]

When people play it and go “wow this is garbage”

Because the reset means tyrannical

And it does negative dps

[gusty mirage]

When NA gets to beta test things for the rest of the world

[clever sapphire]

Aaaah

Sounds like NA problem

[royal lantern]

tbf, blizz said themself they dont really care about keys above 20

[lucid mirage]

So I'm currently playing sub, but thinking of swapping to sin for experiments for the better uptime on the mobile bosses. Is my sub weighted stats gonna make that worse than awkward cd windows with sub

[royal lantern]

and like, i understand it

[gusty mirage]

They also said they wanted the onyx ring to be replaced in 10.1

[royal lantern]

i mean, thats different

[runic hinge]

they also said rogue changess

[royal lantern]

like, completely different

[balmy condor]

But sub is better on experiments

Why would you swap

[onyx crane]

Head is our weakest tier piece?

[lucid mirage]

We are struggling with boss damage, and adds get cleave before I can sects

[balmy condor]

sin isn’t gonna do more boss damage

[royal lantern]

desining endless scaling content to a specific scaling and then say "yeha, we dont care how high you can go beyond that, we balance until this point" is a different thing then "we make item, and then say we want item to be used next patch still"

[lucid mirage]

Hmm, okay. Thought maybe it would be I'll stick to it

[onyx crane]

i got a omni token and can pick head vs legs

[clever sapphire]

Im pretty sure you always use legs, but head or chest can be switched around