#assassination

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proper tapir
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Nah, you drop ER, put it there

gaunt moat
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YOU WHAT

spice spire
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Yeah I think the highest I’ve ever seen for me is like 134ish and that’s because the Paladin pulled neltharus in like 7 pulls

gaunt moat
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Does that build work without exsang too?

spice spire
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Your ST would plummet I’d assume

gaunt moat
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My issue is my exsang usage in dungeons is garbage.

proper tapir
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I was using tea for energy, in smaller packs you'll probably need that and ST. Maybe in massive pulls you tea for mastery if you are capped

gaunt moat
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A lot of the time I DM without exsang. and then just exsang without DM later.

proper tapir
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I personally dropped exsang for VR, to make ST bosses feel better

gaunt moat
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I'll probably try that too.
even if exsang sims better. i'm not using it properly.

runic hinge
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I love it

spice spire
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Excited to try a new build get some more data on it

royal lantern
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OR you all just play sub and do more dmg by spamming storm->blackpowder

spice spire
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I can also run logs this weekend if that’s wanted

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(I’m also shit)

runic hinge
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Using CB on aoe shiv is just good times

spice spire
gaunt moat
proper tapir
gaunt moat
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If you sometimes CB envenom then how would you even macro it

proper tapir
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You just wouldn't follow that rule lol OMEGAKEKW

vagrant obsidian
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!whispyr

prisma monolithBOT
spice surge
woeful meteor
gaunt moat
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@proper tapir The real question is, how much better is it on 2-3 targets
cause that's where we drop off hard

proper tapir
spice spire
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I’d assume this builds only benefit come from big aoe and utility of soothes - but I’d gladly be wrong for some juicy sauce

gaunt moat
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but jokes aside
something like HoI usually has small pulls

spice spire
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I also think this build is really beneficial in certain dungeons that incentivize large pulls, like BH, Uldaman, and nelth,

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Though HoI can have some juicers

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Kinda depends on the tank

runic hinge
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FH has big pulls too

spice spire
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Oh yeah

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FH insanecat

proper tapir
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Yeah just depends, Dslice isn't perfect for simming every place this could be used. It's hard to say, try it and tell me if it sucks

spice spire
runic hinge
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I played it a few times last season in like NO and AA and it felt fun, not sure how good it was and also im bad so

tacit otter
gaunt moat
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You're not bad. spec is bad thanksfriend

proper tapir
main vessel
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Why is quake a dog

storm belfry
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Cause he’s a good boy

storm forum
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hello, it's been ~3 days, has anything else popped up for Whyispyr to fight in the sims arena yet?

royal lantern
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hahahhahahah

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no

storm forum
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nice

runic hinge
scenic thunder
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Are you guys using howling hissing or buzzing rune?

royal lantern
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buzzing

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the crit one

storm forum
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cb? oh nooooooo

royal lantern
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mate

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its assa m+

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you dont play it anyway

proper tapir
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Now now, at least seven of us do

storm forum
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ur right, im a priest player now

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idk what im even doing here

runic hinge
storm forum
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alright im doing a rogue key right now

clever sapphire
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See how he didnt say assa? He said rogue

runic hinge
storm forum
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i did an assa key

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i did very poorly

clever sapphire
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Though it sounds like a fun build

runic hinge
vestal wren
runic hinge
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I already told my guild I’m not griefing them by playing ic+ap because it’s raging week. Now I got sims to say it’s good

proper tapir
oak sky
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sis?

pure moth
storm forum
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it was a 20 and my rogue is like 20 ilvl lower than my guildies

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i dont feel too bad about it

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dont tell them it was my first time dps'ing an HoI

proper tapir
pure moth
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Lol

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Im always up for a challenge

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Ill just do it in a pug 😂

supple snow
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is there any buffs coming any time soon? 😄

pure moth
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No

silk bane
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yes, sin getting a 5% aura buff next reset

runic matrix
past bobcat
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Will that be good for sin in ST ?

silk bane
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its funny that arms got a bigger buff than sni while also being better than sin but yeah we take 5 i guess

vestal wren
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assassination 📈

umbral rapids
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yo you got stuff

celest drift
carmine dawn
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oh my god rogue is saved

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rejoice

prisma creek
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does that mean assa overtakes sub?

ebon notch
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OH MY GOD ITS HAPPENING

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STAY CALM

prisma creek
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or nah?

ebon notch
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EVERYONE STAY CALM

final star
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Shut up daps u binch

ebon notch
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wtf

final star
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Stay on pally

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Bop bot

carmine dawn
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raid spot ✅
m+ viability rope_hold rope_the rope_line
bug fixes hahanoo

spice spire
wind condor
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WE ARE FUCKING BACK

dense jolt
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5% we did it

rigid tartan
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for me it will go ahead in sim but this is not enough to bring us back to top spots in st. Honestly I was expecting them to buff all specs by x% overall cuz they need it

past bobcat
wind condor
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Pre buff my sin was at 118 vs 121k in sub, that’s boutta change

steady marlin
storm belfry
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Hmmmmm

carmine dawn
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has anyone tagged whispyr yet to see if he preemtively did the sims last night just in case?

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he should have seen this coming

spark scaffold
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!whispyr

prisma monolithBOT
full coral
runic hinge
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oh shit

brazen lantern
runic hinge
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slow mode inc

oak sky
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why is aura buff slowmode starege

brazen lantern
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AAAAAAAAAAA ARE WE PLAYING KINGSBANE NOW? WHAT DOES IT MEAN? AAAAAAAAAAA

prisma carbon
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siren SIN BUFFS siren

storm belfry
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It’s time for a celebration

burnt latch
oak sky
burnt latch
copper hazel
vestal wren
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^ unless i made a mistake, its a ~ 4% buff

ebon notch
burnt latch
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Bendie made me a better offer im sry

ebon notch
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we are colluding

oak sky
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wait a minute

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are we seeing noccocieft?

ebon notch
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dont tell anyone andrew

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its not broken to the public yet

burnt latch
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Vacationcieft

oak sky
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bedgecieft

burnt latch
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Im a retired man

final star
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atrophictrickscieft

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that's a deep cut reference right there

ebon notch
burnt latch
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Also u mispelled my name no h

cerulean nest
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passed up a 447 fragment in vault last week bc Im playing sub 🙂

oak sky
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proczieft besad

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i miss him

silk bane
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who cares fragment sucks anyways

prisma creek
silk bane
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bomb anshul sotnks

burnt latch
trail locust
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nocco is such a great guild

burnt latch
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Chicieft aint it

final star
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okay I fix

oak sky
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daps you have stans here bro

carmine dawn
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lets gooooo

final star
ebon notch
carmine dawn
ebon notch
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wtf

trail locust
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guys do i deathmark after vanish or exsanguinate

oak sky
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💀

ebon notch
ebon notch
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and then vanish hearthstone

oak sky
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press esc then click log out then click on your evoker

burnt latch
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Hmph i was expecting angry people and melt downs

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ppl just being positive

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Boring

trail locust
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positive vibes

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oh

burnt latch
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Back to gossip girl

storm belfry
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We will take anything we can

umbral rapids
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!whispyr

prisma monolithBOT
storm belfry
ebon notch
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wdym

trail locust
oak sky
trail locust
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logout

ebon notch
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kreem bend over rn

oak sky
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im probably gonna play some mage at .5

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the druid is pretty much fully geared

main bay
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Is that 5% buff a meme

final star
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?

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are you asking if a 3.9% overall dps buff

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posted in an official blizzard blue post

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a meme

ebon notch
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kieron dont be cranky

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smh

storm belfry
trail locust
final star
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I play sub

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fuck if I know

storm belfry
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Sin rising

noble leaf
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We got buffs ❤️

silk bane
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not rising enough

oak sky
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here we go kekw

pulsar dirge
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But we do melee!!! Don't care buffs are nice bros 💪

sharp elk
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Surely it's just what sin needed

gaunt moat
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As far as class balance raid-tuning
this is pretty good
should put us at high-mid

sterile jackal
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Sins will start to get invites to +11 rather than +10

noble leaf
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Any buffs means we are not where blizz intends us to be balance wise. So that’s positive trajectory for us.

empty hinge
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omg assa buffs

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any1 hyped

royal lantern
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like

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the only "bad" thing for assa was some killtimers

sharp elk
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Lol

royal lantern
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number wise, assa and sub did the same overall in most situations

gaunt moat
royal lantern
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and yeha, overal dmg is a meme, dont look at that one

eager sorrel
pseudo hamlet
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Mark of Dargrul - it's good for M+? I've got Neltharion + Harlan Dice

sharp elk
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Ya mark does only slightly less damage than bomb dispenser

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As sub anyways

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And bomb dispenser/beacon is bis unless you are ballsy enough to play boon instead of dispenser

brazen zodiac
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;o

nimble tartan
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good spec gettin buffs

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crazy world we

brazen zodiac
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pog!!

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💃

supple snow
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but M+ still seems so far behind though

gaunt moat
supple snow
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we were about 17% behind sub

umbral rapids
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was nobody played it

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tbh

thorn fjord
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We take those 5%

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For sure it was to just shut us up

eager sorrel
gaunt moat
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hah, no, we adctually do need it. sin is struggling atm

royal lantern
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more like 3-3,5%

gaunt moat
umbral rapids
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and not melees either

royal lantern
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cus melee hits+all the trinkets/item effects are not affected by ability dmg buffs

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idk man, i just pulled a gut feeling number lol

gaunt moat
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FEELCRAFT IN MY RH!?

royal lantern
thorn fjord
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So does this mean less doom

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Or

gaunt moat
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the doom is cause we want exsang gone 🥲

runic hinge
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More because its not real changes

misty holly
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Now I'll only be 15% behind other classes in M+ rather than 20%! Looks good.

limber lion
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Unironically Assa about to pump really hard

supple snow
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but no cap I feel like what they should do for our AOE, is to put a buff on CT to do more dmg based on how many targets hit by FoK x5% up to 30-40

limber lion
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When people get around to playing it more and it shows up more

supple snow
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makes it not broken or a must pick for ST but very good for M+

supple snow
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that's another 5% buff

royal lantern
limber lion
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But now gonna be really good

royal lantern
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ofc no arcane/warlock/evoker lvl stupid, but will do good dmg

thorn fjord
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But not sub good

pure moth
limber lion
supple snow
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or make IC to be 30 sec CD

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or both

silk bane
slim pebble
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I have 0 sin gear so this buff isn't coming at a great time 🤣

limber lion
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Reducing IC cd does nothing

royal lantern
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fking delete IC, IC is a problem that makes good interactions not possible

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jesus

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biggest aoe bandaid in the history of assa aoe bandaids

pure moth
royal lantern
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cant make any meaningfull multidot interaction, cus it all would be instantly maxed out cus of IC

thorn fjord
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We’re coming up in the world

limber lion
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Which is kinda dank

thorn fjord
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Even with rotten build??

gray horizon
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yayyy buffs

thorn fjord
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Much doubt

supple snow
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I was thinking then we can properly keep Rupture on all targets at all times and gives us more uptime on Garrote. but yeah

gray horizon
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sin > sub always, we take it

limber lion
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!fuu

prisma monolithBOT
limber lion
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Knock yourself out

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Rotten 133k

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Current Assa 131k

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Around 4% buff

thorn fjord
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Man I can’t math

limber lion
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In fact, Whispyr's build is at 133.3k already

gaunt moat
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Just feelcraft

silk bane
limber lion
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Which is already more than the Rotten build

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Assa already outsimming

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And now you slap a 5% on top of that

cerulean nest
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ugh all my crit vers gear

silk bane
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technically 4.

limber lion
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Ye, 4%

royal lantern
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FotM scum detected

copper hazel
limber lion
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Around 138k

royal lantern
late surge
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!whispyr

prisma monolithBOT
limber lion
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138-139k

silk bane
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but like looking at some logs, 95% magmorax, sins gonna be basically where rets now

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i think fuu did a quick test. with the buff sins simming aorund 136k now

eager sorrel
grim hornet
vestal wren
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visual representation of the changes

limber lion
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!whispyr

prisma monolithBOT
grim hornet
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oh ok, used to use fuu's for all

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mb, ty

silk bane
limber lion
# silk bane

More like around the Elemental Shaman/Arcane range

vestal wren
royal lantern
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are you in a top50 guild

limber lion
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That's also with very few people actually playing the spec or gearing towards it

strange python
vestal wren
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i did remove fragment trinket from the top sim, this is where the damage diffrences come from
(see pins why fragment sims too high)

limber lion
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With more people gearing towards Assa and playing it more and learning the new rotation, it's gonna be good

indigo ginkgo
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so not enough to send us mid tier then

misty holly
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Look at ability to kill a totem within 6 seconds. Most important skill for M+ this season.

strange python
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no cutting to chase?

limber lion
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It's been talked about 10000000000 times in every channel

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Pins

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Sheets

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FAQ

strange python
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its secret to me because im not aware

royal lantern
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its just the sepsis build lol

limber lion
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Read any of them

gaunt moat
limber lion
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And you're up to pace

royal lantern
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that we play for like 2 weeks now

limber lion
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In fact, only IcyVeins and Method are out of date

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As per the pin

strange python
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i have been busy being benched all tier

silk bane
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did whispyr push the fragment oversimming thingy to his sheet?

limber lion
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I don't think so

gray horizon
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ive been playing the sepsis build without exsang and its so much better

limber lion
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That's a good shout

vestal wren
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i did put in the 2nd best trinket, so not sure how fragment would perform after a fix

limber lion
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Closer to 131k probs with Beacon + Bombs like in Fuu's sheet

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dumb fragment

silk bane
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yeah and the 3.9% overall puts it roughly around 136.5 i thin

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still not bad

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specially since nelth p3 actually matters and so does sarc

vestal wren
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in the end, it means assassination is (assuming there are no item changes that can make it higher) at minimum 136k

silk bane
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could be more valuable than sub

weak horizon
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Yo they gave us 5%

vestal wren
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sub/outlaw are on ~132-133k, so at least 3k advantage in simdps

thorn fjord
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Love to see how it pans out in practice

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should be interesting

vestal wren
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switching to corrupting potion might make the diffrence smaller, iirc assassiantion gets slightly less from it than sub

pure moth
vestal wren
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(tho subtlety is on 133k only if you play rotten, the standard builds is at around the same levels assasssination is atm)

umbral rapids
cerulean nest
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time to entirely regear and relearn lol

limber lion
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From the second best trinket to like the 15th lmao

cerulean nest
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here we go

royal lantern
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i mean, you not gonna do more dmg by swapping assa now, espacily if you went with 0% haste gear for sub/outlaw cus haste is kinda good for assa+the gameplay will take some time to actually get done on a decent lvl where you start pulling numbers

swapping on a whimp is not a gain, its almost always a downgrade at first

umbral rapids
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yeah i meant on the sim

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whispyr's is running that

idle gorge
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!whispyr

prisma monolithBOT
thorn fjord
silk bane
gaunt moat
royal lantern
cerulean nest
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Cev your logs public? need some learning material

idle gorge
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how much is the 5% buff?

royal lantern
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and sub is less CD reliant

thorn fjord
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That can be used for sin

minor gate
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is there a macro to apply all poisons at once

storm belfry
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Wait what happened to fragment

grim hornet
dire ivy
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how do i sim the buff for myself? what do i have to write in the custom boxes?

silk bane
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in st

vestal wren
storm belfry
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Oh damn

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Well. I never was able to loot it so

idle gorge
storm belfry
gaunt moat
royal lantern
supple snow
royal lantern
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but on the other hand, you are not that great for the big add

eager sorrel
vestal wren
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haste buff is also quite good for assassination

gaunt moat
royal lantern
vestal wren
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while sub/outlaw rly don't get anything from it

thorn fjord
ancient rain
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Assa rogue rework finally announced

royal lantern
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if you have crit/mastery set for m+ as sub, you can just use it for assa inside raids, cus assa likes crit/mastery/haste overall

supple snow
limber lion
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Yeah our abilities got buffed by 5%, which means around a ~4% buff overall.
Nothing changes in the rotation, we just do more damage. Yay!

There's a lot of new folk here now, so if you're on the Assassination bandwagon now because of the buff, please refer to the pins, FAQ and Whispyr's spreadsheet (!whispyr) before spamming the chat with questions. 99% of the time you'll find what you're looking for in one of them. Yes, we play Sepsis now. Yes, Fragment is still bugged and not reflected in the sims. You get it. It's all there.

Have a good weekend. happybear

gaunt moat
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meanwhile the wowhead comments

thorn fjord
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haha

teal iris
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im more surprised by the brew changes

teal iris
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werent they already the highest dps tank? or was the nerf too much?

spice spire
royal lantern
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^

eager sorrel
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Do outlaw next!

supple snow
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the question is since the fragment was very good to be used with Exang, does it oversimming make exang now not as big of a dmg gain?

spice spire
supple snow
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or is exang even highest DPS anymore?

eager sorrel
thorn fjord
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Exsang is still slightly ahead

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BUt you can drop exsang for VR

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Works better on some fights

royal lantern
spice spire
silk bane
grim hornet
royal lantern
gaunt moat
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So like, the 5% buff is a cause for celebration.
But I still want my 4th empowered CP from ER back. please 🥲

silk bane
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legit looks like an intern whos never played wow in his life was given the task

thorn fjord
bleak ledge
royal lantern
thorn fjord
silk bane
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youre not gonna make it

royal lantern
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MATE

royal lantern
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we sustain ourself on copium for 6months now

spice spire
thorn fjord
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Holy fuck it has

gaunt moat
thorn fjord
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Or you're playing sub 😛

gaunt moat
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in that case gtfo 😠

silk bane
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dooming is my cope

thorn fjord
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This is cool though... I've already been playing Sin on certain fights

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This will just make me smile a bit more

royal lantern
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i mean, played it on all fights this tier except Assault

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and got into guild drama for beeing #2 dps on rashok cus of it

thorn fjord
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I didnt like Sin on experiments or Algamation

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like at all

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I topped Kaz on mythic playing sin 😛

gaunt moat
thorn fjord
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and i made sure the guild knew

thorn fjord
supple snow
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kek

gaunt moat
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i mean they would notice he doesn't appear on the meters hah

thorn fjord
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Just kill him before he phases kappa

gaunt moat
viscid spear
gaunt moat
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why would they bench you

supple snow
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I got a good laugh out of it

viscid spear
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Ah, bc that's the percent he phases at after the split and heals, duh

unreal epoch
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!whispyr

prisma monolithBOT
thorn fjord
supple snow
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I was doing 112k being 3rd highest dmg done on boss

thorn fjord
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Who were the top 2 on boss?

queen valley
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since its a 5% buff to everything, can we just multiple our current raidbots dps by 1.05 and that will be our new dps?

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or is it more nuanced than that

supple snow
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a hunter and SP

thorn fjord
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Shoulda beat the hunter 🤷‍♂️

teal iris
silk bane
queen valley
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oh i see

supple snow
copper sun
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are there sims for the buff? does it put assa ahead of sub?

gaunt moat
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no, it was litteraly just announced. SimC hasn't updated for it yet.

silk bane
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with bis setup sins going to be around 136-136.5

copper sun
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i wonder if ill have to swap to sin

silk bane
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which is about 3-4k ahead of sub/law

gaunt moat
balmy condor
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you can add that to advanced

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or expert mode works too if you want to top gear

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won't really change any evaluations

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just adds about 4% to whatever number you had before

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so add like 5k

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and you're good to go

thorn fjord
silk bane
balmy condor
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nope

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there's guides for that

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:)

steel spire
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Sepsis gangsepsis

teal iris
gaunt moat
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AP/CB gang?

wispy belfry
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ASSA BUFF BOYS

limber lion
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REALLY?

balmy condor
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it's a 5% aura buff

safe swift
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that 5% needed to be 50%

kindred rapids
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big if true

safe swift
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would probably be close to sub then

balmy condor
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people just losing their shit for no reason

limber lion
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I know I made a pin about it already

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:-)

balmy condor
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I know

wispy belfry
limber lion
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I miss my nitro emotes

wispy belfry
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the fuck lol

willow marsh
limber lion
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Does it really change anything though

thorn fjord
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Will change perception

supple snow
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yeah M+ is still looking doomy

limber lion
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Still bad in m+, just more deeps in raid

thorn fjord
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The sin perception from non rogue players still thinking sin can’t be played in raid

balmy condor
wispy belfry
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ur all cunts

brazen zodiac
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o.o

teal iris
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copium this is just a temporary bandaid since we're getting huge changes in 10.1.5

balmy condor
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the perception is "decent raid, bad m+"

nocturne hawk
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Little 5pct buff thx lawd

balmy condor
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and it's still "decent raid, bad m+"

supple snow
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what changes in 10.1.5?

balmy condor
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we don't have any 10.1.5 changes yet

keen spruce
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it's something Hypers

thorn fjord
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The perception that sin is bad and unplayable in raid

safe swift
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10.1.5 still long way out

thorn fjord
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From non rogue players

nocturne hawk
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We was hurting though helps a bit

supple snow
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I would like to see how they will try to fix assa

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will be fun~

nocturne hawk
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Would have liked 8pct kekdog

balmy condor
#

of course it helps

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number up = helps

willow marsh
balmy condor
#

it's just important to be realistic about things

#

blind optimism is just as problematic as blind pessimsm

safe swift
#

if they can make wings 1 min cd surely they can make deathmark 1 min aswell right 4 set feels so useless to us atm with the little uptime you have in a key

balmy condor
#

however you spell that fucking word

#

idc

supple snow
#

assa needs to keep pushing forward

thorn fjord
keen spruce
#

my rashok parse held Hypers

limber lion
limber lion
#

pssimsm

nocturne hawk
#

Pssiemissy

balmy condor
#

bro Idk I'm not a literature person

limber lion
#

That oughta fix it

balmy condor
#

thou shalt not haveth thy pissisms

silk bane
#

literature person gang

thorn fjord
#

pisssimiszzm

silk bane
runic hinge
#

pissimussy

safe swift
balmy condor
silk bane
#

i live for whispyrs pisssims

limber lion
#

Fuck he thinks I was serious

#

Uhm

eternal geode
#

!whispyr

prisma monolithBOT
balmy condor
#

aoe 1 min deathmark

#

holy

supple snow
#

that'd be broken

safe swift
#

i mean they made ret pala wingsd 1 min ? that is also a big holy

supple snow
#

no?

limber lion
#

Very

balmy condor
#

of course it would be

tall atlas
#

flat 5%

#

rework

#

excellent

silk bane
#

every second in deathmark also kingsbane the target stacking indefinately ty for comign to my tedtalk

balmy condor
#

deathmark a passive

#

sub has replicating shadows

tall atlas
#

how is this change looking in the sims purple daddy

balmy condor
#

that's also a big holy

safe swift
#

hahaha lolz

limber lion
supple snow
#

just make garrote a perma

royal lantern
limber lion
#

You should know

supple snow
#

like SbS

#

that should do it

balmy condor
#

I mean if we're saying deranged shit

limber lion
balmy condor
#

might as well just fully lose our minds

limber lion
#

You just press it a couple times a minute

safe swift
#

i mean looking at other specs and classes how they lost their minds on those specs surely they can do it on assa aswell

royal lantern
#

we are frost mage now

supple snow
#

one application in stealth for the 50% dmg buff. saves lots of energy and GCD would be a brain dead weird buff lol

balmy condor
thorn fjord
balmy condor
#

this channel is the home of unhinged rework ideas

#

you can practically swim through them

limber lion
#

Wait there were other changes than just Assassination?

#

Could have fooled me

royal lantern
royal lantern
supple snow
keen spruce
#

just make it a passive pat_smile

balmy condor
#

like uh

royal lantern
#

the exsang meatball??

safe swift
#

give us deathmark and vendatta in one

royal lantern
#

cus thats the exsang icon

keen spruce
#

IC a passive and rupture proccin PB again Hypers

royal lantern
supple snow
#

make DM AOE that applies all your bleeds with 30 sec CD. easy

thorn fjord
#

Non hot take... Bake SND back into the class so we dont have to cast it anymore in any of the 3 specs

balmy condor
#

what if IC was a passive, and exsang was an AoE, and they all stacked into deathmark, and deathmark did a blood explosion at the end equal to all the damage it dealt, and that does aoe too, and also CT is black powder, and fok always gives 10cp

brazen zodiac
#

sounds good

balmy condor
#

am I worthy of being here now

royal lantern
balmy condor
#

this is my contribution

thorn fjord
keen spruce
balmy condor
thorn fjord
#

Thats way sicker than my Jerry Garcia idea

keen spruce
proud basin
#

lets go

winged quail
#

Guys do I DM after Exang starege

shy nest
thorn fjord
supple snow
#

john cena ?

thorn fjord
#

bing chillen

gaunt moat
#

What if exsanguinate was 45s cd and 200% faster bleed 🤔

covert basin
#

!whispyr

prisma monolithBOT
keen spruce
teal kettle
gaunt moat
misty holly
steel spire
#

Bleeds we apply burst every sec and do aoe dmg dk_unholy_pestilence

misty holly
#

The thing is, if other classes are being designed to be completely degenerate we need that design too.

thorn fjord
#

Inc frost dom shard set

ebon notch
strange python
supple snow
#

Make garrote apply the debuffs/dots of all your known spells.

thorn fjord
#

Wondering if we'll kill Rashok sunday or not... I wanna prog it as sin before then after the buffs to see the difference lol

gaunt moat
supple snow
#

Then we go trade it back to them for some gold.

#

I think

storm belfry
zenith grotto
#

Buff good?

#

Yes/No

balmy condor
#

what

#

it's damage up

silk bane
#

no no buff bad got worse

#

trustge im a litearture person

balmy condor
#

what kind of question is that

silk bane
#

i think he meant, is the buff good enough though

balmy condor
#

that's 1. a very different question

zenith grotto
#

^^ this

balmy condor
#

and 2. good enough for what

silk bane
#

idk man im just cooking here

autumn frost
#

woo aura buff

shell osprey
#

honestly buff is bad because reasons

zenith grotto
#

IDK, will i be looked down upon for not being a sub rogue gamerer?

limber lion
#

Ya'll so damn cryptic

balmy condor
#

please

runic hinge
#

You’re looked down upon for playing rogue anyways. Who cares

balmy condor
#

help me answer your question

zenith grotto
#

M+ 20+'s region

gaunt moat
ebon temple
#

if you're asking if its worth playing sin over sub in raid, id just play whatever you're more comfortable with and have better stats for

balmy condor
supple snow
#

For raid you are fine. For dungeons doomed

marble hemlock
#

@balmy condor whats the best pet?

balmy condor
zenith grotto
#

RIP

marble hemlock
zenith grotto
#

Thank you for your speedy response rogue folk

runic hinge
#

Oh is this pet battle discord hour?

junior aurora
#

hour?

storm belfry
gaunt moat
#

how many unqiue pets you got

marble hemlock
#

its a reference to a video

#

and conversations like these always remind me of it

gaunt moat
#

I'm at 1212 😬

silk bane
#

ill get you a snake for your birthday\

#

wink wink

storm belfry
silk bane
#

pls dont kill me mr purple

balmy condor
silk bane
#

wait for real? birthday streams pog?

balmy condor
#

july 21st

silk bane
#

youre lying

balmy condor
#

every year

silk bane
#

im july 22

#

LOL

runic hinge
#

Damn that’s my wedding anniversary

junior aurora
#

basic bitch july birthdays

gaunt moat
#

I'm also July happy

silk bane
#

eyoo july gang

#

go stab stab

thorn fjord
#

My son is July 24

shell osprey
#

over under on sark giving me his trinket this week in vault ?

tacit mica
#

!whispyr

prisma monolithBOT
silk bane
thorn fjord
#

All these parents banging in November

gaunt moat
#

it do be cold

thorn fjord
#

True

#

Turkey getting everyone in the mood

#

It was the yams for me

silk bane
#

it do be cold in novemeber dude

#

not much else to do

supple snow
#

Too much friction for a month with restriction

thorn fjord
#

No nut November tho

silk bane
#

brooooo

#

just realized my dad failed nnn

#

never been more dissapointed in my life

#

homie let us down

#

i bet homie anshuul doesnt fail it

steel spire
#

Anshuul stay bussin ong 🙏🏾

autumn frost
#

looking at the last dps charts

#

4% buff doesn't even move us up much

storm forum
#

damn there really was something to make Whispyr re-sim lmao

balmy condor
#

bis profile still struggles to sim as much as dh's in my guild

#

but ya know

#

surely the sims are wrong

#

right

storm forum
#

idk what that means

boreal valley
#

Why don't you vanish on opener with sepsis build?

storm forum
#

but i hope ur dhs grow some extra braincells soon or something idk

balmy condor
autumn frost
#

I don't get how being behind 15% in single target and overall gets fixed by a 5% aura buff.

balmy condor
#

than my best BiS profile

#

as a rogue

autumn frost
#

There's an entire explanation to that frostbite.

silk bane
boreal valley
balmy condor
autumn frost
storm forum
#

oh i see, i hope ur dhs get hit by a bus or something then i guess

balmy condor
#

there is one very cool thing though

#

about toxic thorn and the buff

misty holly
#

Just failed to time a NEth 20 by like 15 seconds....

balmy condor
#

now nelths trinket is 0.3% ahead of beacon very sick

misty holly
#

I think that +5% might have been enough

balmy condor
#

who knew

#

more spec damage = flat damage worse

#

weird how that works

storm forum
#

nice

#

now i get to pray i get a super rare trinket over the mains in my guild

balmy condor
#

technically makes fragment comparatively better too

boreal valley
#

real question is it worth switching assa on sark or is the cleave still gonna be too dog to make it worth

tacit otter
#

i had heroic nelth trinket in vault and was sad at first, but now its actually quite nice lol

cerulean nest
#

anyone have nice logs they can link me?

balmy condor
#

if it wasn't worth before it's not worth now

storm forum
#

do the adds come out every 45 seconds so you can pad on them with IC?

balmy condor
#

4% buff doesn't change any evaluations on spec viability

boreal valley
balmy condor
autumn frost
#

LOL

storm forum
#

buddy if we're going to grief we may as well do it in style

autumn frost
#

I mean...

boreal valley
#

getting heart mid flag or something XDD

misty holly
balmy condor
#

I'm gonna throw up

storm forum
#

ive already thrown up

stiff knot
#

I'm currently throwing up

rugged torrent
#

aight we all swapping for ST now?

balmy condor
silk bane
#

whipsception

rugged torrent
#

Ahah cheers

runic hinge
#

A Christmas carol ghosts of ic on sark

autumn frost
#

Well on the brightside, this is the first positive change I've seen in six months.

#

Looking forward to the next buff in six months.

misty holly
autumn frost
#

Not true. That was a 5% nerf right? So .95 * 1.05 = 99.75%

#

we only got 4.75% back.

royal lantern
#

🙂

gusty mirage
fallen raven
#

ass is currently at a +2% aura buff, so i assume it's going to +7%?

balmy condor
#

it's 102*1.05

#

so 7.1 technically

#

but yeah

autumn frost
#

i stand corrected. still puts us behind in overall and single target by something like 11% since we were around 15% behind?

#

from the top of the chart

deft vault
#

does blindside consume sepsis proc if we use ambush?

balmy condor
#

no

gusty mirage
#

It’s still not enough, but I feel like those specs being that strong will be addressed eventually

#

It’s kind of ridiculous how strong they are

jovial jasper
#

it wont be

gusty mirage
#

Also A+ for whoever designed the dif class trinkets

#

Because they did a bang up job on making one trinket clearly better than the rest

autumn frost
#

They tend to leave warlocks on top for entire tiers from my experience.

storm forum
#

iirc nerfs usually dont come until later, like after HoF fills up, out of consideration for the time that FotM rerollers spent gearing those classes

gusty mirage
#

Y’all didn’t see the demo crying about the dogs going away?

gaunt moat
winged quail
#

Warlocks always throw a tantrum when they're (rightfully) nerfed

jovial jasper
#

locks are never nerfed though

#

they've statistically been the best class in the game for 8+ years

#

0 bad tiers

#

(except for EN)

winged quail
#

But warlocks were B-tier for like 1 patch

#

it's so unfair

#

buff now

jovial jasper
#

the worst lock has been since like

#

idfk cataclysm

#

was vault

winged quail
#

yeah

jovial jasper
#

and it was still good

gusty mirage
#

I was like yeah that’s probably right

gaunt moat
#

haha

storm forum
#

wait it's not a 475 weapon?

#

oh

winged quail
#

It should be a 475 weapon, it's a dragon expansion after all starege

storm forum
#

i thought it was going to be BiS for them for the rest of the expac, i guess not

#

guess they're waiting for the legion weapon remix for that one

oak tangle
#

it's clearly meant to augment the augment spec

storm forum
#

restoration evoker lego weapon next tier then right

gaunt moat
#

Bu like right now. Devestation are literally playing another game than the rest of us.
they're at 140k EASY

storm forum
#

dude half the dev evokers i know purposefully grief their rotation cause they wanna double jump every second

#

gotta let those guys do damage too

oak tangle
#

all i know is that I am the last person in my raid team to get 4 pc tier

#

so 140k is a distant dream even if unachievable

gaunt moat
#

with best gear possible, sin sims for 136k (after buff)

oak tangle
#

i picked the wrong tier to swap to priest, where im rolling against 11 others lol

deft vault
#

have the buffs been implemented if we use latest on raidbot?

storm forum
#

I picked the right tier to swap to priest cause our priest is taking a 3 month hiatus and is swapping to rogue when they come back

gaunt moat
#

not afaik.
but you can edit to try yourself.
check #tc-research

balmy condor
#

5% Aura Buff discussion time, and quick info.

Because aura buffs don't include autos/trinkets/external damage, we actually got a slight shift in terms of trinkets. The nelths class trinket now slightly edges out beacon by about 0.3%. They're both very RNG though so take that as you will. It also means the 5% buff isn't actually 5%, it's closer to 4%.

Trinket order should now be Bomb > nelth = beacon > chromatic = dice = fragment

IS ASSA GOOD
If you didn't think it was good before, it still isn't good now. If you thought it was okay before, it's 4% more okay. If you thought it was great, great! This isn't going to shift any perceptions across the community or create some new meta spec. If you're a sub/outlaw player coming into the channel, first off hi whispyrwave but also don't feel pressured to farm an entire gear set because of this, you'll probably be disappointed

The picture below has the updated comparisons between all the builds (they haven't changed much), along with the new numbers.

bleak ledge
#

buffs really brought exsang/no exsang that much closer together with sepsis. me like

limber lion
#

Wasn't the buffs that did that

bleak ledge
#

no?

somber fractal
#

I wonder if the 5% aura buff is what they meant when they teased the 10.1.5 rogue class changed

limber lion
#

More like Fragment not working

#

A flat % buff won't change how good or bad Exsanguinate or any other ability is

#

Fragment is very similar to Puzzle box. Big stat increase every 3 mins, perfect for Exsang

#

But now that's it's dead it's whatever

somber fractal
#

Is fragment still dead with the 5%?

limber lion
#

Huh?

#

How does our class being buffed by 5% change Fragment's placing at all?

#

I'm confused

bleak ledge
#

it just always ends up feeling clunky gameplay imo, opener turns into playing Bethoven easier to drop garrote/rupture uptime if you get a mechanic

somber fractal
limber lion
#

It's not looking good no matter how you look at it

oak tangle
#

i think you should just read the pin that is on the same page of this convo

lost sparrow
#

Wait, if sin sims higher than sub. Why don’t the logs reflect that?

thorn fjord
still leaf
#

anybody have the updated trinkets list?

limber lion
thorn fjord
#

Nice lol

limber lion
#

But ding ding ding we have a winner

#

Bomb + Nelth trinket honestly sounds like a fine combo

#

Screw Beacon

thorn fjord
#

Should be entertaining in here for the next few days… wonder which regular is going to get triggered first

balmy condor
#

Yeah I took out fragment from the sims

thorn fjord
#

You say screw beacon but man when it procs for 1.4 mil it feels so good

balmy condor
#

Cause fragment is just dead

#

At least at the bis level

#

It’s still like top 5

bleak ledge
balmy condor
#

But it’s not competitive for that profile

tacit otter
#

!whispyr

prisma monolithBOT
balmy condor
#

Bomb > nelth = beacon > chromatic = dice = fragment

thorn fjord
#

How far along echo prog are you guys whispyr

balmy condor
#

Should be new trinkets

balmy condor
thorn fjord
#

Nice… almost there

oak tangle
#

The only content i have done on my rogue is 1 key, and 2 clears of normal raid, i have a pocket anvil and a dream and i still compete on damage in keys

balmy condor
#

But nelth has like a 15% uptime

#

If it procs in the middle of nowhere

#

Unlucky

tacit otter
balmy condor
#

Yeah

#

It’s just as much of an rng shitfest

thorn fjord
#

Like a wet noodle?

tacit otter
#

it swings so crazy

royal lantern
# balmy condor Unlucky

our trinkets in a nutshell

dispenser is annoying with double use

beacon is crit rng and nelth is proc rng

balmy condor
#

I think a fair comparison is like vita trinket during ny’alotha

limber lion
thorn fjord
#

Personally I enjoy bomb/beacon combo

limber lion
#

Double on-use got me fucked up

#

I love me an active + passive combo

thorn fjord
#

Remember using phial and entire expansion?

#

Pepperidge farms remembers

limber lion
#

Actually no, because I never got it in vault

#

Never saw it

#

Not once

thorn fjord
#

Jesus that’s awful

limber lion
#

I did farm it in one of the seasons, can't remember which one

#

SOD yeah

storm forum
limber lion
thorn fjord
#

😅

tacit otter
#

so you know when you pop off

balmy condor
#

Yeah I loved doing that

storm forum
#

oh

#

huh

#

i never did it in the opener

balmy condor
#

People were just missing full exsang casts left and right all patch

storm forum
#

but i did do a lot later in the fight

balmy condor
#

And then complaining why they did no damage

#

And every time

#

I opened a log

#

And they just sat there

storm forum
#

I only waited to do it for vanish

balmy condor
#

Holding exsang for 30 seconds

storm forum
#

not inbetween exangs

#

but yeah i can see that

#

being bad

#

in retrospect

#

i felt like i was doing more damage though

#

and im a feelcrafter

weak plover
#

@balmy condor Did you play bonespike on zkarn?

storm forum
#

which is probably what you told me 5 years ago when i was doing it

balmy condor
balmy condor
#

you could argue for bone spike if you're progging now

#

but I think it's pretty sus

#

the single target damage check is pretty rough

thorn fjord
#

Still think it’s crazy what happened with that boss

lusty surge
#

Glad I spent raid this week fumbling over the rotten build only to come crawling back to sin next week lol

slow needle
#

Where do we rip beacon in opener? After the first rupture?

ornate aspen
#

Hurray buffs. Its not much but they haven't forgotten about us at least

strange python
#

!whisoyr

storm forum
#

!fuu

prisma monolithBOT
strange python
#

!whispyr

prisma monolithBOT
plucky patio
#

I’d still prefer a shorter cooldown on resounding clarity for keys.

blazing jewel
#

Now that we got a buff how do we gaslight our raid leads into giving us PI

storm forum
#

only if we got shorter cd IC to pair with it

storm forum
blazing jewel
young briar
#

we're getting buffed???

#

send link pls

blazing jewel
balmy condor
#

it's a 5% aura buff

#

no link needed

blazing jewel
#

Is it time for sin on sark round 2