#assassination
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YOU WHAT
Yeah I think the highest I’ve ever seen for me is like 134ish and that’s because the Paladin pulled neltharus in like 7 pulls
Does that build work without exsang too?
Your ST would plummet I’d assume
My issue is my exsang usage in dungeons is garbage.
I was using tea for energy, in smaller packs you'll probably need that and ST. Maybe in massive pulls you tea for mastery if you are capped
A lot of the time I DM without exsang. and then just exsang without DM later.
I personally dropped exsang for VR, to make ST bosses feel better
I'll probably try that too.
even if exsang sims better. i'm not using it properly.
I love it

Excited to try a new build get some more data on it
Using CB on aoe shiv is just good times
Punching the air as we speak
Why do 250k easy when we can do 130k the hard way?
It does feel good, but half of folks will macro it and it will just feel like a passive gain
If you sometimes CB envenom then how would you even macro it
You just wouldn't follow that rule lol 
!whispyr
Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev
Or play hacha aoe rotten build

@proper tapir The real question is, how much better is it on 2-3 targets
cause that's where we drop off hard
That's the part that still needs digging, but in practice in a M+ there are less of those and more like 8+ target pulls
I’d assume this builds only benefit come from big aoe and utility of soothes - but I’d gladly be wrong for some juicy sauce
We're not palying the same dungeons 
but jokes aside
something like HoI usually has small pulls
I also think this build is really beneficial in certain dungeons that incentivize large pulls, like BH, Uldaman, and nelth,
Though HoI can have some juicers
Kinda depends on the tank
FH has big pulls too
Yeah just depends, Dslice isn't perfect for simming every place this could be used. It's hard to say, try it and tell me if it sucks

I played it a few times last season in like NO and AA and it felt fun, not sure how good it was and also im bad so
But still ty for trying to find build variations, Im gonna try it in my weekly 21-22 the next few days. Looking forward for the more in depth comparison with st and low target count
You're not bad. spec is bad 
Np! I hope you like it, yeah let us know how it works out in high keys 
Why is quake a dog
Cause he’s a good boy
hello, it's been ~3 days, has anything else popped up for Whyispyr to fight in the sims arena yet?
nice
Ap+ic+cb in dslice unless you’ve seen that already
Are you guys using howling hissing or buzzing rune?
cb? oh nooooooo
Now now, at least seven of us do

alright im doing a rogue key right now
See how he didnt say assa? He said rogue
Wat
Check assa tc channel
Phew its shit in ST atleast
Though it sounds like a fun build
Oh yeah. Definitely just for m+
don't give up, it is just about practice
I already told my guild I’m not griefing them by playing ic+ap because it’s raging week. Now I got sims to say it’s good
Start using FoK at 2 targets 
sis?
Well i was going to try the new build.. but if it's still the same st not worth it.
it was a 20 and my rogue is like 20 ilvl lower than my guildies
i dont feel too bad about it
dont tell them it was my first time dps'ing an HoI
Don't try it if you don't want but fortified raging is probably the best time if you ever wanted to lol
is there any buffs coming any time soon? 😄
No
yes, sin getting a 5% aura buff next reset
Will that be good for sin in ST ?
its funny that arms got a bigger buff than sni while also being better than sin but yeah we take 5 i guess
Man this timing
does that mean assa overtakes sub?
or nah?
EVERYONE STAY CALM
wtf
raid spot ✅
m+ viability

bug fixes 
rework :hehexd:
WE ARE FUCKING BACK
5% we did it
for me it will go ahead in sim but this is not enough to bring us back to top spots in st. Honestly I was expecting them to buff all specs by x% overall cuz they need it
True time to stay sub
Pre buff my sin was at 118 vs 121k in sub, that’s boutta change
I’d guess it’s 3.5% buff?
Hmmmmm
has anyone tagged whispyr yet to see if he preemtively did the sims last night just in case?
he should have seen this coming
!whispyr
Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

oh shit

slow mode inc
why is aura buff slowmode 
ARE WE PLAYING KINGSBANE NOW? WHAT DOES IT MEAN? 
SIN BUFFS 
It’s time for a celebration
Nerd
meowcieft?


^ unless i made a mistake, its a ~ 4% buff
ur gonna be my nerd soon
Bendie made me a better offer im sry
we are colluding
Vacationcieft
bedgecieft
Im a retired man

passed up a 447 fragment in vault last week bc Im playing sub 🙂
who cares fragment sucks anyways
does that mean I (as a sub) have to get new gear? Or do i stay sub?
bomb anshul sotnks
Same tbh
nocco is such a great guild
Chicieft aint it
okay I fix
daps you have stans here bro
finally gonna blow these evokers out of the water
lets gooooo
KREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEM KREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEM
wait do i?
fathead
wtf
guys do i deathmark after vanish or exsanguinate
💀
exsang the deathmark
up to you rly
and then vanish hearthstone
press esc then click log out then click on your evoker
Back to gossip girl
We will take anything we can
!whispyr
Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev
No legendary weapon 
kekw imagine not having leggo
nice bestie
logout
kreem bend over rn
Is that 5% buff a meme
?
are you asking if a 3.9% overall dps buff
posted in an official blizzard blue post
a meme

I just gotta fuck w you cuz evoker homie
can you play ass in raid now or do i have to still play outlaw
Sin rising
We got buffs ❤️
not rising enough
here we go 
But we do melee!!! Don't care buffs are nice bros 💪
Surely it's just what sin needed
As far as class balance raid-tuning
this is pretty good
should put us at high-mid
Sins will start to get invites to +11 rather than +10
Any buffs means we are not where blizz intends us to be balance wise. So that’s positive trajectory for us.
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/33#aggregate=amount&dataset=95
Doesn't ~4% get us right with our other specs?
assa was allready equal with them mate lol
like
the only "bad" thing for assa was some killtimers
Lol
number wise, assa and sub did the same overall in most situations
Overall is kinda fudged by zaqali assault. and lack of parses
and yeha, overal dmg is a meme, dont look at that one
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/33#aggregate=amount&dataset=95&metric=bossdps&boss=2680
And this is skewed by good players not playing sin?
Mark of Dargrul - it's good for M+? I've got Neltharion + Harlan Dice
Ya mark does only slightly less damage than bomb dispenser
As sub anyways
And bomb dispenser/beacon is bis unless you are ballsy enough to play boon instead of dispenser
kill timers mostly
;o
but M+ still seems so far behind though
No, but add 5% to sin there, and it will be high-mid
we were about 17% behind sub
the bad thing about assa
was nobody played it
tbh
I assume it doesn't impact our flat damage procs (~20% of our damage)?
hah, no, we adctually do need it. sin is struggling atm
yeha, its not flat 5% more dmg
more like 3-3,5%
it's an aura buff to every source of damage that is an assassination skill
and not melees either
cus melee hits+all the trinkets/item effects are not affected by ability dmg buffs
idk man, i just pulled a gut feeling number lol
FEELCRAFT IN MY RH!?

the doom is cause we want exsang gone 🥲
More because its not real changes
Now I'll only be 15% behind other classes in M+ rather than 20%! Looks good.
Unironically Assa about to pump really hard
but no cap I feel like what they should do for our AOE, is to put a buff on CT to do more dmg based on how many targets hit by FoK x5% up to 30-40
When people get around to playing it more and it shows up more
makes it not broken or a must pick for ST but very good for M+
that's another 5% buff
in raid? yeha, can be good on some fights now
Already is good
But now gonna be really good
ofc no arcane/warlock/evoker lvl stupid, but will do good dmg
But not sub good
lol
Something changing?
5% aura buff
depends what u define as 'really good' but its gonna be 'fine'
I have 0 sin gear so this buff isn't coming at a great time 🤣
Reducing IC cd does nothing
fking delete IC, IC is a problem that makes good interactions not possible
jesus
biggest aoe bandaid in the history of assa aoe bandaids
Oh shit. Nice
cant make any meaningfull multidot interaction, cus it all would be instantly maxed out cus of IC
We’re coming up in the world
Well yeah, gonna sim like 3k+ more than Sub in single
Which is kinda dank
Even with rotten build??
yayyy buffs
Much doubt
I was thinking then we can properly keep Rupture on all targets at all times and gives us more uptime on Garrote. but yeah
sin > sub always, we take it
!fuu
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Man I can’t math
In fact, Whispyr's build is at 133.3k already
Just feelcraft
that roughly puts it as slightly above average which kinda meets my definition of 'fine'. but yeah definitely the better rogue spec
Which is already more than the Rotten build
Assa already outsimming
And now you slap a 5% on top of that
ugh all my crit vers gear
technically 4.
Ye, 4%
FotM scum detected
cries in 0.79% haste
Around 138k

!whispyr
Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev
138-139k
but like looking at some logs, 95% magmorax, sins gonna be basically where rets now
i think fuu did a quick test. with the buff sins simming aorund 136k now
Legitimately have negative haste at the moment :)
what's that build? is it posted anywhere?
visual representation of the changes
Literally in Whispyr's sheet
!whispyr
Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev
dont look at overall though, its highly skewed by a few fdights
all fine, both sheets should show the same
are you in a top50 guild
That's also with very few people actually playing the spec or gearing towards it
whats the secret whispyr build
i did remove fragment trinket from the top sim, this is where the damage diffrences come from
(see pins why fragment sims too high)
With more people gearing towards Assa and playing it more and learning the new rotation, it's gonna be good
so not enough to send us mid tier then
Look at ability to kill a totem within 6 seconds. Most important skill for M+ this season.
no cutting to chase?
It's literally not a secret
It's been talked about 10000000000 times in every channel
Pins
Sheets
FAQ
its secret to me because im not aware
its just the sepsis build lol
Read any of them
You should go back to the hguild you just left and laugh at the GM in assassination.
And you're up to pace
that we play for like 2 weeks now
yeha 
i have been busy being benched all tier
did whispyr push the fragment oversimming thingy to his sheet?
I don't think so
ive been playing the sepsis build without exsang and its so much better
That's a good shout
i did put in the 2nd best trinket, so not sure how fragment would perform after a fix
yeah and the 3.9% overall puts it roughly around 136.5 i thin
still not bad
specially since nelth p3 actually matters and so does sarc
in the end, it means assassination is (assuming there are no item changes that can make it higher) at minimum 136k
could be more valuable than sub
Yo they gave us 5%
sub/outlaw are on ~132-133k, so at least 3k advantage in simdps
switching to corrupting potion might make the diffrence smaller, iirc assassiantion gets slightly less from it than sub
Right? Lol
(tho subtlety is on 133k only if you play rotten, the standard builds is at around the same levels assasssination is atm)
how impactful is the irideus fragment thing ? 
Pretty big
18%
time to entirely regear and relearn lol
From the second best trinket to like the 15th lmao
here we go
i mean, you not gonna do more dmg by swapping assa now, espacily if you went with 0% haste gear for sub/outlaw cus haste is kinda good for assa+the gameplay will take some time to actually get done on a decent lvl where you start pulling numbers
swapping on a whimp is not a gain, its almost always a downgrade at first
!whispyr
Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev
0 haste on sin isnt going to be that big of an issue tbh
pretty sure the fotm psychos cna just recraft 3 pieces, and with how easy it is to gear up with keys right now, u cna probably just be ready for sin gear in a day
I'd also like to add that sub is not gonna be far below sin.
i mean yeha, but if you have heavy crit/vers gear, its allready a "lower" gain overall
Cev your logs public? need some learning material
how much is the 5% buff?
and sub is less CD reliant
Should atleast have a Crit/Mastery set for keys too
That can be used for sin
is there a macro to apply all poisons at once
Wait what happened to fragment
tbh that can be a good point for sin on sarc
how do i sim the buff for myself? what do i have to write in the custom boxes?
around 4% dps


Nothing happened to it. but the sims for assassination were higher then they should.
sarc has good timers for assa ye, both times when you go down on mythic you have DM up when you go out
I don't think assa for keys is by any means a better choice than sub though. even after buffs
but on the other hand, you are not that great for the big add
Filler not removing stacks in sin, fixed a couple days ago.
haste buff is also quite good for assassination
not even close. sin is FAR FAR behind sub.
he means because crit/mastery is good stats for assa in raid aswell
while sub/outlaw rly don't get anything from it
No man i meant if you're swapping from sub to sin for ST you most likely have a crit/mastery set already
Assa rogue rework finally announced
ah, I see. that's true
if you have crit/mastery set for m+ as sub, you can just use it for assa inside raids, cus assa likes crit/mastery/haste overall
Rework LOLE
Yeah our abilities got buffed by 5%, which means around a ~4% buff overall.
Nothing changes in the rotation, we just do more damage. Yay!
There's a lot of new folk here now, so if you're on the Assassination bandwagon now because of the buff, please refer to the pins, FAQ and Whispyr's spreadsheet (!whispyr) before spamming the chat with questions. 99% of the time you'll find what you're looking for in one of them. Yes, we play Sepsis now. Yes, Fragment is still bugged and not reflected in the sims. You get it. It's all there.
Have a good weekend. 
meanwhile the wowhead comments
haha
im more surprised by the brew changes
werent they already the highest dps tank? or was the nerf too much?
Compensating for WoO changes ig
^
Do outlaw next!
the question is since the fragment was very good to be used with Exang, does it oversimming make exang now not as big of a dmg gain?
Best I can do is grand melee change in 3 months
or is exang even highest DPS anymore?
Just don't want parses tied to 'did beacon crit 3/3 :)
Exsang is still slightly ahead
BUt you can drop exsang for VR
Works better on some fights
a change that probably has negative effects on gameplay and can result in a dead roll 
Bad news 🙂
oh yeah this was like the worst redesign I think they coulda made.
yeah, i was thinking on getting my hands back to it for prog, now i am doing it for sure
thats the case for all classes and specs that use beacon mate 
So like, the 5% buff is a cause for celebration.
But I still want my 4th empowered CP from ER back. please 🥲
legit looks like an intern whos never played wow in his life was given the task
id take that over the aura buff
feel like this may be the case for mythi epxeriments
tinfoil hat time: its the first test for a SnD removal, and Grandmelee is 1 of the biggest things that interacts with SnD
Rashok too
im calling an ambulance. youre coping too hard.
youre not gonna make it

it hasnt been 6 months has it?
Holy fuck it has
In #assassination You're either 100% cope, or 100% doom.
Or you're playing sub 😛
in that case gtfo 😠
This is cool though... I've already been playing Sin on certain fights
This will just make me smile a bit more
i mean, played it on all fights this tier except Assault

and got into guild drama for beeing #2 dps on rashok cus of it

I didnt like Sin on experiments or Algamation
like at all
I topped Kaz on mythic playing sin 😛
i bet that guild would lose their shit if you've played sin on assault. like it would even slightly matter.
They prob wouldnt even notice till after the boss died
I got benched for it 😄 cause we wiped at 8% and no one applied healing debuff
kek
i mean they would notice he doesn't appear on the meters hah
Just kill him before he phases kappa
how does that have anything to do with playing sin if you got to 8%
you probably wiped cause door soaks
What % does he need to be at for you to skip the split phase and go right to defending the door?
why would they bench you
20%
that is exactly why we wiped. but I was literally told you are not doing enough dam 😄 and got benched
I got a good laugh out of it
Ah, bc that's the percent he phases at after the split and heals, duh
your RL is high
!whispyr
Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev
That or his damage was the complete opposite 
=))
I was doing 112k being 3rd highest dmg done on boss
Who were the top 2 on boss?
since its a 5% buff to everything, can we just multiple our current raidbots dps by 1.05 and that will be our new dps?
or is it more nuanced than that
a hunter and SP
Shoulda beat the hunter 🤷♂️
no since it doesn't buff trinkets/annulet etc
aura buff does not include item procs and auto attacks. realistically its closer to a 1.039 multiplier
oh i see
are they just that bad?
are there sims for the buff? does it put assa ahead of sub?
no, it was litteraly just announced. SimC hasn't updated for it yet.
with bis setup sins going to be around 136-136.5
i wonder if ill have to swap to sin
which is about 3-4k ahead of sub/law
Sin is not gonna put sub in the dust, it will be equal/slightly higher
you can add that to advanced
or expert mode works too if you want to top gear
won't really change any evaluations
just adds about 4% to whatever number you had before
so add like 5k
and you're good to go
I think they are tbh
ready to explain sepsis/exsang to the 800 new sub to sin switchers in the next 2 days?
Sepsis gang

AP/CB gang?
ASSA BUFF BOYS
REALLY?
it's a 5% aura buff
that 5% needed to be 50%
big if true
would probably be close to sub then
people just losing their shit for no reason
I know
a buff is still a buff lol
I miss my nitro emotes
the fuck lol
yeah right? no changes for damage profile and you're still gonna suck in m+
Does it really change anything though
Will change perception
yeah M+ is still looking doomy
Still bad in m+, just more deeps in raid
The sin perception from non rogue players still thinking sin can’t be played in raid
what perception
ur all cunts
o.o
this is just a temporary bandaid since we're getting huge changes in 10.1.5
the perception is "decent raid, bad m+"
Little 5pct buff thx lawd
and it's still "decent raid, bad m+"
what changes in 10.1.5?
we don't have any 10.1.5 changes yet
it's something 
The perception that sin is bad and unplayable in raid
10.1.5 still long way out
From non rogue players
We was hurting though helps a bit
Would have liked 8pct 
the same way they'll fix affli - remove the spec altogether
it's just important to be realistic about things
blind optimism is just as problematic as blind pessimsm
if they can make wings 1 min cd surely they can make deathmark 1 min aswell right 4 set feels so useless to us atm with the little uptime you have in a key
I would call for a riot.
assa needs to keep pushing forward
close enough
my rashok parse held 
made me giggle
big true
pssimsm
bro Idk I'm not a literature person
Or how about we make Deathmark AOE and Exsang AOE and Shiv AOE and Envenom AOE!!
That oughta fix it
thou shalt not haveth thy pissisms
literature person gang
pisssimiszzm
only in #assassination
pissimussy
yeah also true shiv aoe already excists tho but make deathmark aoe and 1 min would be big help already

i live for whispyrs pisssims
!whispyr
Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev
that'd be broken
i mean they made ret pala wingsd 1 min ? that is also a big holy
no?
Very
of course it would be
every second in deathmark also kingsbane the target stacking indefinately ty for comign to my tedtalk
why not just go all the way then
deathmark a passive
sub has replicating shadows
how is this change looking in the sims purple daddy
pins
hahaha lolz
Bro you've been here
just make garrote a perma
with or without the daily "make IC passive" idea?
You should know
I mean if we're saying deranged shit
Garrote is already perma my guy
might as well just fully lose our minds
You just press it a couple times a minute
i mean looking at other specs and classes how they lost their minds on those specs surely they can do it on assa aswell
we are frost mage now
one application in stealth for the 50% dmg buff. saves lots of energy and GCD would be a brain dead weird buff lol
have you been here in the last 6 months
I actually think the frost changes look pretty cool
this channel is the home of unhinged rework ideas
you can practically swim through them
they are good cus they can actually give frost dmg
endless icy veins was so stupid lol
hear me out, what if IC was 15sec CD and also makes your bleeds stronger???????????????
=))
just make it a passive 
maybe we just gotta combine them all into a big meatball
like uh
the exsang meatball??
give us deathmark and vendatta in one
cus thats the exsang icon
IC a passive and rupture proccin PB again 

make DM AOE that applies all your bleeds with 30 sec CD. easy
Non hot take... Bake SND back into the class so we dont have to cast it anymore in any of the 3 specs
what if IC was a passive, and exsang was an AoE, and they all stacked into deathmark, and deathmark did a blood explosion at the end equal to all the damage it dealt, and that does aoe too, and also CT is black powder, and fok always gives 10cp
sounds good
i see no issue

am I worthy of being here now
thats good mate, but what poisons do i use?
this is my contribution
What if popping exsang summoned a mini Jerry Garcia that does aoe damage and spreads ruptures to 3 mobs in a 15 yard range
but do i exang before or after vanish
what if every rupture applied to a target also summons randy orton from the top ropes
Thats way sicker than my Jerry Garcia idea
now this is what ass really needs
lets go
Guys do I DM after Exang 
sick rog 
Only if you're a chad
too op
john cena ?
bing chillen
What if exsanguinate was 45s cd and 200% faster bleed 🤔
!whispyr
Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev
what if notter was happy bunny instead of angry bunny

the whole SL idea of "SnD is a rogue thing" so jam it onto all 3 specs was awful from the start
We might actually catch up to Shadow Priest if this were the case. Not 100% sure tho
The thing is, if other classes are being designed to be completely degenerate we need that design too.
Inc frost dom shard set
thank you
Make garrote apply the debuffs/dots of all your known spells.
Wondering if we'll kill Rashok sunday or not... I wanna prog it as sin before then after the buffs to see the difference lol
What if we get the rune of power mages lost? 🤔
Rune of Decay or Rune of Blood?
what kind of question is that
i think he meant, is the buff good enough though
that's 1. a very different question
^^ this
and 2. good enough for what
idk man im just cooking here
woo aura buff
honestly buff is bad because reasons
IDK, will i be looked down upon for not being a sub rogue gamerer?
Ya'll so damn cryptic
in what content
please
You’re looked down upon for playing rogue anyways. Who cares
M+ 20+'s region
compared to a 10% buff 
if you're asking if its worth playing sin over sub in raid, id just play whatever you're more comfortable with and have better stats for
no
For raid you are fine. For dungeons doomed
@balmy condor whats the best pet?
the one that kills me
RIP
so any?
Thank you for your speedy response rogue folk
Oh is this pet battle discord hour?
hour?
Youre literally fine to play sin now in 20s
how many unqiue pets you got
no
its a reference to a video
and conversations like these always remind me of it
I'm at 1212 😬
so like a snake?
ill get you a snake for your birthday\
wink wink

pls dont kill me mr purple
you got a month and a half
wait for real? birthday streams pog?
july 21st
youre lying
every year
Damn that’s my wedding anniversary
basic bitch july birthdays
I'm also July 
My son is July 24
over under on sark giving me his trinket this week in vault ?
!whispyr
Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev
we got 21 22 24 here, ANY 23 GAMERS?
All these parents banging in November
it do be cold
Too much friction for a month with restriction
No nut November tho
brooooo
just realized my dad failed nnn
never been more dissapointed in my life
homie let us down
i bet homie anshuul doesnt fail it
Anshuul stay bussin ong 🙏🏾
damn there really was something to make Whispyr re-sim lmao
bis profile still struggles to sim as much as dh's in my guild
but ya know
surely the sims are wrong
right
idk what that means
Why don't you vanish on opener with sepsis build?
but i hope ur dhs grow some extra braincells soon or something idk
the demon hunters in my guild are already simming higher
I don't get how being behind 15% in single target and overall gets fixed by a 5% aura buff.
There's an entire explanation to that frostbite.
i do, i vanish, then relog with my mage then we kill boss ez
My Shaman alt sims higher than my rogue that im progging Sark on rn 
because there's no point to, you would just desync everything
@boreal valley #1065730164077645916 message
tyty ❤️
oh i see, i hope ur dhs get hit by a bus or something then i guess
Just failed to time a NEth 20 by like 15 seconds....
now nelths trinket is 0.3% ahead of beacon very sick
I think that +5% might have been enough
real question is it worth switching assa on sark or is the cleave still gonna be too dog to make it worth

i had heroic nelth trinket in vault and was sad at first, but now its actually quite nice lol
anyone have nice logs they can link me?
if it wasn't worth before it's not worth now
do the adds come out every 45 seconds so you can pad on them with IC?
4% buff doesn't change any evaluations on spec viability
I just hate playing sub on half of these bosses it's obviously strong but these bosses fucking hate uptime
did you just suggest IC on sark
LOL
buddy if we're going to grief we may as well do it in style
I mean...
getting heart mid flag or something 
tbh that's kind of brilliant.
I'm gonna throw up
ive already thrown up
I'm currently throwing up
aight we all swapping for ST now?
Ahah cheers
A Christmas carol ghosts of ic on sark
Well on the brightside, this is the first positive change I've seen in six months.
Looking forward to the next buff in six months.
Pretty sure this buff simply undoes the nerf they did in December after assassination was doing "okay" week 1 of raid.
mate, the sub brains are here
have fun
🙂
They did some buffs at the start of this tier though
ass is currently at a +2% aura buff, so i assume it's going to +7%?
i stand corrected. still puts us behind in overall and single target by something like 11% since we were around 15% behind?
from the top of the chart
does blindside consume sepsis proc if we use ambush?
no
Yeah I mean if we’re comparing to uhdk/evoker/destro lock
It’s still not enough, but I feel like those specs being that strong will be addressed eventually
It’s kind of ridiculous how strong they are
it wont be
Also A+ for whoever designed the dif class trinkets
Because they did a bang up job on making one trinket clearly better than the rest
They tend to leave warlocks on top for entire tiers from my experience.
iirc nerfs usually dont come until later, like after HoF fills up, out of consideration for the time that FotM rerollers spent gearing those classes
Y’all didn’t see the demo crying about the dogs going away?
eventually yeah.. but it's the evoker expansion. they want people to play it. so they don't mind it being OP.
especially with a 457ilvl weapon
Warlocks always throw a tantrum when they're (rightfully) nerfed
locks are never nerfed though
they've statistically been the best class in the game for 8+ years
0 bad tiers
(except for EN)
yeah
and it was still good
I read this as 475 weapon and I didn’t even bat an eye

I was like yeah that’s probably right
haha
It should be a 475 weapon, it's a dragon expansion after all 
i thought it was going to be BiS for them for the rest of the expac, i guess not
guess they're waiting for the legion weapon remix for that one
it's clearly meant to augment the augment spec
restoration evoker lego weapon next tier then right
Bu like right now. Devestation are literally playing another game than the rest of us.
they're at 140k EASY
dude half the dev evokers i know purposefully grief their rotation cause they wanna double jump every second
gotta let those guys do damage too
all i know is that I am the last person in my raid team to get 4 pc tier
so 140k is a distant dream even if unachievable
with best gear possible, sin sims for 136k (after buff)
i picked the wrong tier to swap to priest, where im rolling against 11 others lol
have the buffs been implemented if we use latest on raidbot?
I picked the right tier to swap to priest cause our priest is taking a 3 month hiatus and is swapping to rogue when they come back
not afaik.
but you can edit to try yourself.
check #tc-research
5% Aura Buff discussion time, and quick info.
Because aura buffs don't include autos/trinkets/external damage, we actually got a slight shift in terms of trinkets. The nelths class trinket now slightly edges out beacon by about 0.3%. They're both very RNG though so take that as you will. It also means the 5% buff isn't actually 5%, it's closer to 4%.
Trinket order should now be Bomb > nelth = beacon > chromatic = dice = fragment
IS ASSA GOOD
If you didn't think it was good before, it still isn't good now. If you thought it was okay before, it's 4% more okay. If you thought it was great, great! This isn't going to shift any perceptions across the community or create some new meta spec. If you're a sub/outlaw player coming into the channel, first off hi
but also don't feel pressured to farm an entire gear set because of this, you'll probably be disappointed
The picture below has the updated comparisons between all the builds (they haven't changed much), along with the new numbers.
buffs really brought exsang/no exsang that much closer together with sepsis. me like
Wasn't the buffs that did that
no?
I wonder if the 5% aura buff is what they meant when they teased the 10.1.5 rogue class changed
More like Fragment not working
A flat % buff won't change how good or bad Exsanguinate or any other ability is
Fragment is very similar to Puzzle box. Big stat increase every 3 mins, perfect for Exsang
But now that's it's dead it's whatever
Is fragment still dead with the 5%?
Huh?
How does our class being buffed by 5% change Fragment's placing at all?
I'm confused
it just always ends up feeling clunky gameplay imo, opener turns into playing Bethoven easier to drop garrote/rupture uptime if you get a mechanic
Because the buff doesn’t buff trinkets like beacon
Have you seen Whispyr's pin regarding Fragment?
It's not looking good no matter how you look at it
i think you should just read the pin that is on the same page of this convo
Wait, if sin sims higher than sub. Why don’t the logs reflect that?
I’ll take no for 500 Alex
anybody have the updated trinkets list?
Hits even better because my real name is Alex
Nice lol
But ding ding ding we have a winner
Bomb + Nelth trinket honestly sounds like a fine combo
Screw Beacon
Should be entertaining in here for the next few days… wonder which regular is going to get triggered first
Yeah I took out fragment from the sims
You say screw beacon but man when it procs for 1.4 mil it feels so good
bomba is nothing but a dream
But it’s not competitive for that profile
!whispyr
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Bomb > nelth = beacon > chromatic = dice = fragment
How far along echo prog are you guys whispyr
Should be new trinkets
We saw end of p2
Nice… almost there
The only content i have done on my rogue is 1 key, and 2 clears of normal raid, i have a pocket anvil and a dream and i still compete on damage in keys
I mean you can hate bacon
But nelth has like a 15% uptime
If it procs in the middle of nowhere
Unlucky
or it hits like that:
Like a wet noodle?
it swings so crazy
our trinkets in a nutshell
dispenser is annoying with double use
beacon is crit rng and nelth is proc rng

I think a fair comparison is like vita trinket during ny’alotha
It's true, but the older I get the more I lean towards passive choices.
Personally I enjoy bomb/beacon combo
Jesus that’s awful
dude I loved holding vanish/vedetta/exang waiting for my double trinket procs
💃
😅
atleast you get a visual when the trinket procs
so you know when you pop off
You mean the thing that YouTubers/streamers said to do with completely unfounded reasonings and it never ended up being better on any sim?
Yeah I loved doing that
People were just missing full exsang casts left and right all patch
but i did do a lot later in the fight
And then complaining why they did no damage
And every time
I opened a log
And they just sat there
I only waited to do it for vanish
not inbetween exangs
but yeah i can see that
being bad
in retrospect
i felt like i was doing more damage though
and im a feelcrafter
@balmy condor Did you play bonespike on zkarn?
which is probably what you told me 5 years ago when i was doing it
we stan self-acceptance
I did not because we killed with cheese
you could argue for bone spike if you're progging now
but I think it's pretty sus
the single target damage check is pretty rough
Still think it’s crazy what happened with that boss
Glad I spent raid this week fumbling over the rotten build only to come crawling back to sin next week lol
Where do we rip beacon in opener? After the first rupture?
Hurray buffs. Its not much but they haven't forgotten about us at least
!whisoyr
!fuu
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!whispyr
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I’d still prefer a shorter cooldown on resounding clarity for keys.
Now that we got a buff how do we gaslight our raid leads into giving us PI
only if we got shorter cd IC to pair with it
we weren't already doing that?


Is it time for sin on sark round 2













