assassination

[hollow dirge]

then you're more into comfort than into perfection, innit

[young briar]

Im allowed to perfect a spec i enjoy no?

[hollow dirge]

totally supported though

[keen spruce]

you're not playing exanguinate

[hollow dirge]

just contradictory to the first statement 😄

[keen spruce]

so you're losing 2k dps

[balmy condor]

wait

[keen spruce]

you dropped rupture and envenomed twice before reapplying it

[balmy condor]

the hells happening here

[keen spruce]

and you envenomed with <5cp on your 3rd one in your opener

[subtle tundra]

nice vanish bozo

[young briar]

this is what im after, my rotation cockups

[keen spruce]

and you overwrote your empowered garrote in your opener

[balmy condor]

just

[keen spruce]

https://wowanalyzer.com/report/ktDx2Pb9LFvYjBwM/28/23

[subtle tundra]

any vanish reapplies

[balmy condor]

a normal garrote?

[keen spruce]

don't do all of the red stuff

[subtle tundra]

whispyr when people ask what people are doing wrong when they arent doing what he says

[keen spruce]

and enchant your cloak

[balmy condor]

oh no

[young briar]

done that this morning with avoidance

[balmy condor]

it's happening again

[keen spruce]

don't do this

[subtle tundra]

whispyr sacrificed his sanity for the sepsis tech for people to just not do it

[balmy condor]

your 2 min and your 4 min deathmark

had 0 empowered garrote uptime

[subtle tundra]

im amazed you got a 98

[balmy condor]

it was just normie garrotes

[subtle tundra]

tbf

[balmy condor]

all the way through

[keen spruce]

pi strong

[subtle tundra]

reason 99999 why logs are such bs

from shadowlands onwards

[keen spruce]

PI > empowered garrote

[subtle tundra]

people can plainly play wrong

get PI

and do well

cant wait for ebokers

[young briar]

right so i keep clipping my empowered garrotes

[subtle tundra]

i want BOMB

[young briar]

thank you

[subtle tundra]

last night both hc runs

dropped

BOMB

and guess fucking what

i hate this game i hate this game i hate this game

[balmy condor]

it's not clipping, it's just you're throwing vanish out and it's making your deathmark weaksauce

the vanish usage with sepsis is specifically to make sure that deathmark at 2 and 4 min

has empowered garrote

that's why we hold

cause if we don't, it doesn't line up

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/gigachad-chad-gif-20773266

[balmy condor]

so like ideally

you do opener

then 2 min in, you half the first half of deathmark covered by sepsis garrote

you vanish the second half of it

and then at 4 min you can either hold for the vanish depending on kill time

or you just send it on cd, and vanish on cd

so you just lose those first couple seconds of the 4min dm

at 6 min everything lines up again like the opener

and you would technically repeat from there

but I don't think there's a fight atm that goes that long

magmorax enrages at 5:30ish

rashok is 6:30ish

so you get the 6min there

echo of nelth is 7:30ish at most I think

so you don't get another deathmark there anyway

sark is around 7:30 as well

so really you just gotta learn the combo once

with opener -> 2min dm with sepsis+vanish -> 4min dm on cooldown + vanish on cd -> 6 min repeat

and then you're chilling

[keen spruce]

can't you just vanish garrote in pandemic for your sepsis garrote right before 2m DM so you always have vanish for future DMs? or am i trippin

seems like it always lines up that way for my 2m

[young briar]

So im sending Sepsis on CD using garrote on the initial and end of sepsis, and trying to vanish when DM is at 1 min cd

but obvs i didnt do it there

[keen spruce]

why vanish when dM is at 1min cd

[balmy condor]

it shouldn't like up like that

cause like okay

if you do your opener like the faq

[keen spruce]

no exang yes?

[balmy condor]

you sepsis at 0:07ish

and deathmark 1 second after

[keen spruce]

ye

dm at 8

[balmy condor]

so lets just normalize it and say 0:00 for sepsis

that's our 0 now

so we sepsis 0

we sepsis 1:30

deathmark at 0:01

and 2:01

if you sepsis at 1:30, you garrote at 1:31

[hollow dirge]

you'll lose a couple of seconds of empowered garrote this way

[balmy condor]

that garrote is 23 seconds

so it'll last until 1:54

sepsis ends at 1:40

the buff ends at 1:50

so you can refresh 1:49

for another 23 seconds

[keen spruce]

oh yeah i see what i'm doin

i'm not holding that 2nd garrote

until pandemic

[balmy condor]

yeah

you always have to hold it

every sepsis

[keen spruce]

or as long as possible*

[balmy condor]

you either hold until pandemic or hold as long as possible

[keen spruce]

ye not letting 2nd sepsis cast countdown all the way

[balmy condor]

like in opener

yep

[keen spruce]

well i'm not doin it in the opener either x_x

[balmy condor]

ye, on every sepsis

[keen spruce]

i'm just rippin the 2nd one when it pops and losing like 7s of empowered

[balmy condor]

you always hold the second

and then the vanish in deathmark

that one you pandemic

[keen spruce]

makes sense

[balmy condor]

cause the earlier you vanish on that

you earlier you get it back for the next deathmark

[young briar]

WAIT SO WE VANISH GARROTE BEFORE DM ENDS?

[keen spruce]

yeah

i'm goofin

[balmy condor]

yeah that's what we hold for

[keen spruce]

the idea is that you want empowered garrote f rom either sepsis or vanish running through the entire deathmark

[balmy condor]

so it should be like this

I think that one I didn't pandemic the vanish properly

but like

conceptually

you want to do this

where you have the garrote from the sepsis earlier

and you roll your deathmark into that

and when that's in pandemic

you would vanish gar to keep the empowerment going

[blazing jewel]

guys do what purple man says now

or youre getting taken out back

[balmy condor]

so like the whole combo

this is an exsang build

so the timing is a little later than usual

but here's the sepsis right

and I get the garrote off

fine

19 seconds later

there's the second sepsis garrote

you can see it go into the deathmark

and then the vanish garrote

[royal lantern]

can sepsis go kill pls

[balmy condor]

the 4 minute you're shit out of luck though

you either hold your dm a little

which on some of the fights you can't do

[blazing jewel]

sepsis goodge on sin

[balmy condor]

or you have to just accept that a part of deathmark won't have the empowerment like here on rashok

and that depends on the kill time

on rashok you can't hold cause this is full on cooldown at 4:06

which means I get it back at 6:06, which lasts until 6:22

and the fight ends at 6:30

so any amount of time I hold

I will either:

1. lose tier set uptime at best
2. lose deathmark uptime at worst if I hold too long and the fight ends before the deathmark ends

which is poopy

but what can you do

[keen spruce]

that does actually make stuff line up a bit better

hmm feels fine on target dummy

[balmy condor]

I know it feels fine

my brother in christ I invented this nonsense

[keen spruce]

[blazing jewel]

sepsis rising

[keen spruce]

get back in the kitchen and cook us up somethin new a spicy

[balmy condor]

no

no more cooking

[keen spruce]

a little tiny toxic tech

[balmy condor]

diablo 4 tomorrow

[young briar]

Im binning my rogue for a week to play D4

[blazing jewel]

if I kill sark as sin by wednesday I will change to red name for 3 months

[young briar]

Only to play rogue in D4

[keen spruce]

dorki got himself benched on sark prog to play d4

[grim jay]

Reasonable

[blazing jewel]

isnt he their only uh dk

[keen spruce]

[drifting cloud]

Scana you playing sin on sark?

[blazing jewel]

Going to try it tomorrow it seems good in theory

Timing sucks for flag on sub

Dm timing goes crazy on sark

[young briar]

Okay @balmy condor - Just to make sure im understanding

Opener -> Dont vanish garrote -> wait for DM -> Vanish Garrote DM?

[blazing jewel]

Send dm sepsis on boss out of downstairs phase and then dot prio add

[balmy condor]

Ye

[blazing jewel]

And fok for extra energy on the pad adds

[young briar]

So we are holding vanish until 2 mins gotcha

now i understand

[keen spruce]

it's only 4k behind no exang sepsis

[young briar]

i dont know why but i thought we vanished garrote when 1 min left on DM

[balmy condor]

But why

[blazing jewel]

Where exsang

[young briar]

fuck exsang

shit talent

bin it

[keen spruce]

i'm not a good chef

[rocky ruin]

dude that talent is our savior in these time

[balmy condor]

Yeah I can tell

[blazing jewel]

Exsang goes bbrraaazzzyyyy on sark

Big hast damage

[balmy condor]

You made a build that’s just as many buttons, and just as difficult to play

But does less damage

[royal lantern]

im so deep in denial and stockholm Syndrom, that i dont even mind exsang anymore

thats how bad it is

[keen spruce]

reject exang

[young briar]

i am a very serious Anti-Exsang Sin

i personally hate the talent

[rocky ruin]

you could play kb have the same button amount and doing far less dmg

[balmy condor]

Did you see what I played on magmorax

I am lost

[young briar]

Bring back kingsbane

@balmy condor - make kingsbane work pls

[balmy condor]

No can do

[young briar]

Sadge

[grim jay]

Yeah get them to buff it by 50%

https://tenor.com/view/cry-gif-25866484

[balmy condor]

There was ideas of timing kingsbane very specifically to get the last couple ticks in the tier bonus

But uh

I’m actually a savant and the kingsbane logic already means it gets the last tick in the tier bonus

[young briar]

Okay so final thing Whispyr, thank you first of all and sorry one more thing, Apart from the following:

• Fucking up garrote which i now understand
• Not playing exsang cus fuck the talent
• not having a beacon

Is there anything else im doing wrong

[balmy condor]

So the gains there were non-existent

[keen spruce]

just let cold blood affect trinkets and let us bool out with beacon until they rework us

[keen spruce]

you dropped rupture and cast envenom on low CP

[balmy condor]

I kinda skimmed it past that

[keen spruce]

and u need to enchant your cloak

[balmy condor]

But idk, make sure you’re pooling shiv for sepsis/dm

[young briar]

Cloak is done

yea doing that

[balmy condor]

Cast cds on cooldown

[young briar]

yeap

[balmy condor]

GG

[young briar]

Sound

thank you, its very much appreciated

[balmy condor]

Np

[wooden kiln]

Oh wait we can play sepsis without exsang? Thank god life will be so easy

[keen spruce]

and and you used tea once at high energy

[young briar]

https://tenor.com/view/dancing-happy-dance-praise-yas-excited-gif-18656424

Amen brother

[clever sapphire]

but why would you play stepsis without exsang

[keen spruce]

what whispyr said is the important stuff. use this for small errors https://wowanalyzer.com/report/ktDx2Pb9LFvYjBwM/28/23

[young briar]

cus it feels shit

[keen spruce]

@young briar

[young briar]

thank you sir

[wooden kiln]

Actually exsang or no exsang are simming the same for me, so I won't make my life harder

[keen spruce]

cuz it's better than sbs with no exang

[young briar]

i like this person

[keen spruce]

[young briar]

This discord is so wholesome

i went on the DH discord the otherday

never again

[keen spruce]

i ahve never heard this place called wholesome before

[upbeat needle]

is Sin easier to play now than last tier

no more piano opener?

[clever sapphire]

and then im here, playing exsang master assassin and no iron wire in dungeons XD

[keen spruce]

basically the same

[clever sapphire]

it would be shit without piano opener

[upbeat needle]

pain

[clever sapphire]

i dont even find the opener hard

it was harder to get it down mid fight, than in the opener

[grim jay]

That'd be weird

Or are you just convincing yourself?

You can join the cast sequence club aswell tho

But I guess its pretty empty over there

[young briar]

https://tenor.com/view/throw-up-dry-heave-vomit-gross-eww-gif-23254758

[clever sapphire]

i made that macro once

whole exsang sbs opener on 1 button

[cunning nest]

Dude it's much better imo without exh

[young briar]

cast sequence works once and only once

[clever sapphire]

after that you delete it because why would you play that

[young briar]

exactly

[grim jay]

Boring af

[clever sapphire]

im so used to exsang at this point that i press it even if i dont have it skilled

i hate it too, but its so hardcoded in my head

it just gets pressed

[blazing jewel]

Press red circle

[cunning nest]

Exh makes it much more complicated with timings, while without, you just fire everything and dont have to Check fight length every encounter

[cunning nest]

I feel that, I am the same. But I had to renew muscle memory anyway because of the shift from sbs to Sepsis. Opener without exh is shorter and I have awesome results with it

I hope I never have to play exh again 😂

[clever sapphire]

i dont mind actually having to think about cooldowns and not just sending them

[blazing jewel]

Isn’t cd management part of the fun on bosses

Like that huge good brain chemical hit when you absolutely nail a timing

[cunning nest]

In theory yes, but in practise timers change week to week, and I found it more frustrating when things dont allign for execute phases

[winter gale]

Is there anyone top notch geared who can tell me how much they sim atm?

Im simming 115k on default patchwerk/nightly with 437 equipped

[keen spruce]

is annulet simming wrong in top gear?

[limber lion]

No

What makes you say that?

[winter gale]

Some other classes/specs in my guild with similar ilvl are @void badger5+

[keen spruce]

okay so here's my mythic kazz with annulet

[balmy condor]

Rip the homie 12

[grim jay]

Looks fine

[balmy condor]

Catching strays

[keen spruce]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3nM6ap9kMfebzxhduMEPC6

[blazing jewel]

I think I was like 123k and I haven’t swapped enchants or anything like that

[keen spruce]

but like

it says a 441 ring is better

but if i sim it at 441 in gear compare

instead of 424

[limber lion]

Link the top gear

[keen spruce]

rerunning one sec

[balmy condor]

Me too homie

[blazing jewel]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5a6jbPEewsqFYd9nX2HYSv
I simmed slightly higher than this when I specced sin

[grim jay]

Nonono

[keen spruce]

@limber lion okay so like 100dps

in favor of annulet

[grim jay]

Exs MUST sim higher, you are just in denial whisp

[balmy condor]

[limber lion]

Just a sec

[keen spruce]

wwait

pause

[balmy condor]

Annulet gets replaced with good rings

It happens

[keen spruce]

those are my meme hobo talents i was fuckin around with

don't look at those

[grim jay]

https://tenor.com/view/kitty-kitten-morning-stretches-cute-adorable-gif-4448800

Good morning sir

[balmy condor]

Good morning?

It’s 3am

What

Is EU awake again

[grim jay]

He was sleeping on his talents

[keen spruce]

@limber lion https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/kbCkeYzvTMRMX7LJgMNob3

[blazing jewel]

it’s not 3am here

[keen spruce]

here this is the real one

[young briar]

I DID IT BOIS

[balmy condor]

Gotta go to bed before EU wakes up fully

[young briar]

I DID THE THING PROPERLY

THANK YOU WHISPYR

[balmy condor]

Np

[grim jay]

EU awake for like 5 hours

[keen spruce]

it's just weird that my annulet stones were doin like 2.6 million damage

on Kazz

[young briar]

THAT WAS WITHOUT PI

[balmy condor]

Don’t steal my heroic parses I don’t get PI

[young briar]

ASWELL

[balmy condor]

I will eat your butthole

[limber lion]

But you also have to take into consideration the rng behind it right

[blazing jewel]

Did you say a prayer to ion before the pull

[keen spruce]

that seems crazy that just the stats off a 441 would make up for that

[grim jay]

Is that a promise?

[limber lion]

Have you looked at other pulls

[keen spruce]

sec

[limber lion]

I can assure you there's a pull where it's doing like 0.1% of your damage

[grim jay]

Will go hunt heroic parses if it is

[limber lion]

You just got big boy rng luck through roof bingo bongo

[keen spruce]

2.3m on amalg the same night

[balmy condor]

I had a pull where my stones did 1.6

And then next pull 2.5

Stones are super cool

[young briar]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/74QhArwFYaPbfXpZ/#fight=last&type=damage-done

[grim jay]

I had a pull with 1.3m beacon

And one with 2.6m

[keen spruce]

well yeah i'm just sayin even at 1.6m

[blazing jewel]

[keen spruce]

is 1300 stats makin up for that?

idk i don't have concrete data

just seems weirdge

[limber lion]

You don't give enough weight to 1500 stats or whatever

1500 is a lot

Here, let me do a sim where I add 1500 crit to your sim

[keen spruce]

yeah das troo

[young briar]

@balmy condor - Im sorry dude you are Sin jesus, i need approval otherwise its Sadge

[balmy condor]

I’m in bed bruh

I ain’t reading that

[young briar]

Np dude

Just know you have made me very happy helping me understand

[grim jay]

3 casts 3 crits, seems fine. My beacon crits 20% of the time with 50-60% crit

[limber lion]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/cbNRqpDwNLGkEzQ1nvyrgL

Here's 1500 crit extra

[blazing jewel]

[limber lion]

8.5k more dps just from that

How much dps was the annulet doing in your pulls?

Probs around the same right

[keen spruce]

ye

[limber lion]

7-10

[keen spruce]

6-8.5k

ish

[limber lion]

Yeh

Stats are just kinda dank after some point

I mean it takes some really good rings at higher ilvls to replace Annulet, but it's possible

[keen spruce]

fair enough

[limber lion]

A vers ring wouldn't pull that off

[keen spruce]

troo and it's only about 200dps behind my crit/mast and crit/haste

[balmy condor]

Dm it to me and I read tomorrow when I wake up on stream or something before doing my things

[keen spruce]

at 441

[blazing jewel]

If it’s that small of a difference you may want to consider the stam value of the 441

[balmy condor]

Did you know one cast beacon critting vs not critting is 2k dps

[subtle tundra]

whispyr are you an alcoholic

[limber lion]

That's fucking disgusting

[balmy condor]

No

[subtle tundra]

loser

[balmy condor]

I have 1 drink after work

(It fucks me over I am a very cheap date)

[subtle tundra]

sepsis just got parried

[balmy condor]

Happens

[blazing jewel]

Was the sepsis APL created during an after work drink

[keen spruce]

it's about 4000 hp

not nothin

[blazing jewel]

Yea

I was considering taking my eggnog ring off during nelth for that reason

Like 100k hp under the uh dk

[balmy condor]

Parts of it yeah

I mean I was up till 6-7am for like a week

Doing sepsis stuff

[limber lion]

Based af

[royal lantern]

(im stuff)

[blazing jewel]

Whispyr on his way to find another .1

[balmy condor]

I remember during sepulcher I got hammered and found 2% for demo

But then when I tried to remember what I did

[blazing jewel]

[balmy condor]

The sims were gone

Cause I ran too many other sims

And I was too lazy to go through my browser history

So I just didn’t do anything with it

[dark token]

I feel super safe during nelth with feint idk

[blazing jewel]

Step 1 find 3 priests for simultaneous pis

[blazing jewel]

Was a consideration before I realized we didn’t get bombs

[subtle tundra]

we do get bombs

HUH

[balmy condor]

“We”

[dark token]

I get like 3 per 30 pulls

[blazing jewel]

It’s rare if you get them

It’s so ranged favored

[dark token]

Usually after range die

[blazing jewel]

We had a dk get 8 bombs in 30 pulls

[limber lion]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9FqR8GoS1y2q6gm4Vj5DxX
Did one more gem sim for ya

But yeh

annulet go buh bye

[keen spruce]

oh yeah my gems are gonna be weird cuz i have crit mast on stuff that i use for sub and sin

and crit haste for sin only

and mast crit on sub only

and ring enchants get kinda goofy

[cunning nest]

Are you guys insane

How are we supposed to do good on parse logs without annulet?!

[keen spruce]

cev just enlightened this question

stats are better than annulet

[cunning nest]

But not on the same ilvl

[misty holly]

Yeah it's all about the ilevel parse.

The real min/max is to unequip your bracer and go with a low level offhand weapon.

100 here I come.

[cunning nest]

Correct

[clever sapphire]

im gonna put on my SL gear, sylvanas dagger and get 100 ilvl parse

[misty holly]

Dude that's a really good idea. I bet sylvanas dagger offhand is bis

But like the point isnt to have such bad gear that no one else is at your level

its to be mostly maxxed gear but lower your ilevel by like 15 points in the least damaging way

so you look like a god among those players

[clever sapphire]

you should look like a god among the highest ilvl players

[misty holly]

definitely not me haha

[clever sapphire]

okay so imma need the educated opinion of the assa rogue chat. Do you guys think its easier to get a high log as an assa rogue or as a sub rogue?

[subtle tundra]

what does high log mean to you

[clever sapphire]

90+

[normal mist]

As assa is pretty easy

All you need is gear

And to follow the simple rotation

I'm 435 rn starting my 80/90 parses (HC)

So i believe if i keep doing what I've been doing, but with more gear, I'll easily get into the 95+ area

Also, ignore as much mechanics as possible

Let the others do the stuff

You just stab the damn thing to death

[clever sapphire]

makes sense

[normal mist]

In the end of the day, between 2 players with the same build and same gear, the one who does the least mechanics will probably win

[clever sapphire]

aight good, thats how i see assa too tbh

[dark token]

Lol

[quaint condor]

yeah i stay dumb on sark and just slam the boss

i’ve learned enough i’m not touching bombs

[dark token]

This is how you peak at world 400 guild with good logs and then get exposed when trialing in any new guild

[normal mist]

I'm not wrong tho, am i?

[dark token]

Yes you are

Don't pull that shit on prog kills

[young briar]

This ^

[dark token]

On rekills you have more leeway but it's still scummy

If I see anyone do that on prog I am hard calling them out and getting them benched

[normal mist]

I thought that if we were talking parses we were not talking about prog kill

[jovial verge]

That would stand to reason

[subtle tundra]

i mean

in a good guild

rogue will not touch bombs

by decision

[dark token]

Yes bombs are a bad example

More like if you ignore magmorax soaks

Fuck off lol

[normal mist]

At least in HC

You just stack them

All of top of eachother

The big ones i mean

[blazing jewel]

Yea if you ignore nelth mechanics smh

[clever sapphire]

im gonna ignore mechanics as long as i see someone else does it and it wont matter if i dont do it

[normal mist]

Same

[clever sapphire]

if i see its gonna wipe us or hurt badly im playing it, killing the boss is better on my logs than not killing it at all

[dark token]

What mechanics

It's just patchwerk

[dark token]

Sin also one of the worst DPS specs btw

It's better for you to move to the soak

Then ur demo lock

[normal mist]

Not on my guild runs

XDDDD

[dark token]

So sin should be doing all the mechanics anyway

Cause worthless spec you better be mechanic god to be brought to prog

[kindred imp]

why is it the worst dps spec?

[dark token]

Low damage

[clever sapphire]

what do you mean 3% dmg reduction

[kindred imp]

lol, ok gg

[blazing jewel]

Exactly

[normal mist]

It highly depends on who your teammates are

If I'm top dps i won't think my dmg is low whatsoever

[dark token]

Maybe your ranged dps teammates have low damage cause they have to move for every mechanic that melee won't move to

[kindred imp]

obviously, he is smoking crack

[normal mist]

I mean, why should I have to go and soak something 4 km away from me I and lose let's say 5/6 seconds of uptime, if a mm hunter or a destro lock could just walk there without many missed casts and still dps?

[kindred imp]

It aint the top dps, but it def aint the worst

[dark token]

I didn't say the worst

I said one of the worst

[kindred imp]

its far from it

Its top of the middle

[dark token]

Sub is top of the middle

Sin is quite a bit below that

[normal mist]

Sin is fine

Most of the times it's about the player, not the spec

[dark token]

Nah it desperately needs a rework

[dark token]

Correct

[royal lantern]

^

[dark token]

But this refers to players doing mechanics and not dying and pumping anyway

Not log greeding

Fyi

[royal lantern]

like, saying assa isnt in dire need of help is just straight up wrong lol

[dark token]

I don't have a problem with people playing for logs generally, I do that as well on reclears cause it's fun. But advising people to straight up ignore mechanics and let other people handle em is wrong

[normal mist]

Again, every team has to adust to whatever is happening in a fight. Imagine the following scenario: you, the assa rogue, are doing 20+k dps than the 2nd place, (yes it happens), isn't it just easier to ask to people (especially ranged) not pressing their abilities to move to a soak than a rogue to Sprint to a 5km away puddle to soak to then return to the boss?

I'm not saying to INT a fight because you don't want to do mechanics

[kindred imp]

it depends, maybe they are not as good of a player, maybe u wont lose that much dps cause ure poisons will still tick and u can save a raid. Its all situational

[clever sapphire]

what did i start

[kindred imp]

At the end of the day if u down the boss, win. gg

[dusty trellis]

kekw some lucky procs on zaqali mythic

[normal mist]

Also, we were talking about high parses, and the best way to parse really high is to just hit the boss, as you obviously know it.

[gusty mirage]

Yo ngl if you’re first as an assassination rogue AND doing 20k dps over 2nd place, you must be raiding with people who don’t have hands

[normal mist]

At this point my guild should be known already

A national meme

Let me see if I have a recent log HC so you understand my perspective

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Gpc1zTYV9C4bdQqD#fight=54&type=damage-done

Yesterday

Altough 2 of my guildmates on the rest of the kills started moving up in DMG, that was the stat of the first boss

[dusty trellis]

kinda true

[normal mist]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/ArNhQWYTt4B37Lcy#fight=6&type=damage-done

Even better one

Enjoy the laugh

Yeah

We lost a lot of members between S1 and s2

Yes

Less loot tho

[clever sapphire]

im probably gonna get hated for this, kinda controversial opinion. But imo shadowlands S3/4 were more fun than DF

[royal lantern]

its an opinion

[grim jay]

Atleast you knew before you said it

[royal lantern]

a weird one, but opinioms are opinions

tbf, m+ was better during sl 3/4

[clever sapphire]

yap me smart

[grim jay]

And yeah its an opinion, even if its terrible

[royal lantern]

df m+ feels bad imo

[clever sapphire]

i just cant get myself to do keys in DF or even the raid. Sepulcher and M+ i was always ready to go

[grim jay]

Current m+ is weird to pug after 20s on tyrannical

Heals are so bad smh

[normal mist]

Sep was actually the worst raiding experience I've had in a few years

[clever sapphire]

S4 raiding was kinda meh, the affixes made everything so trivial that even my shit guild killed half of castle/sanctum

[subtle tundra]

that was the point

[grim jay]

Based

[clever sapphire]

another shit opinion, castle was the worst shadowlands raid 🤣

[normal mist]

You wouldn't dare!!

XD

[grim jay]

Castle was great

[royal lantern]

SLG alone draged castle down by a good chunk

[clever sapphire]

i hated it, transmog was cool but thats it

[normal mist]

Castle was amazing

I raided castle as sin like a boss

(normal mode BCS i didn't want to bother HC for some reason)

BUT HEY I HAD ALMOST 100 AVERAGE AT SOME POINT

[clever sapphire]

pugging hc sylvanas was more fun than going castle with a guild

[gusty mirage]

Pugging heroic sylv was a true test of one’s mental fortitude

[clever sapphire]

i had worse sarkareth pugs on heroic than on sylvanas heroic

im jsut realising how controversial pretty much everything is i do

[gusty mirage]

Heroic sark with a pug

[young briar]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/74QhArwFYaPbfXpZ/#fight=last&type=damage-done

[blazing jewel]

Pugging sark sounds horrible

[young briar]

i do Sark pug streams, where i raidlead pugs through sark

[gusty mirage]

Yeah your warlock must’ve been afk

[young briar]

he had 99.72% uptime tho

[clever sapphire]

well imps that spawn because of a talent on a timer will keep uptime

thats true

[clever sapphire]

it was, so i just bought a sark run 🤣

[gusty mirage]

I’ve had people tell me they pugged it and got in it in 3 pulls

I refuse to believe that

[clever sapphire]

ye saw that, i have been pugging it since raid released

not a single kill

[blazing jewel]

I was doing h sark in pugs to get sin timers down

Not once did I kill the boss

[gusty mirage]

I pugged a normal once

And I turned off my computer and walked away

[blazing jewel]

Did you touch grass after

[royal lantern]

pugs for heroic sark will only be tolerable in like 1month

[gusty mirage]

I needed to

[young briar]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/zVJNanAvBZrXwPk4 - My pug stream was 4 pulls kill on the 5th

[blazing jewel]

Proud of you

[gusty mirage]

[clever sapphire]

wizard

feckin magic

[gusty mirage]

I pugged normal on my pally last week and it took us 3 pulls to kill zskarn

I’m emotionally damaged after that

[young briar]

Im raidlead by trade, so i teach them on discord with callouts etc and it works quite well

[clever sapphire]

it took me 3 days to rekill zskarn with a pug

and than the same pug killed echo first try

so im like wat

[young briar]

echo is easy

[gusty mirage]

The other tank messed up the taunt swaps on nelth

[young briar]

LFR Rashok is harder than HC Echo

[gusty mirage]

And I got deleted every single fire puddle

[blazing jewel]

I love that nelth goes immune to damage in 30 seconds so parsing becomes impossible

[gusty mirage]

I love how that fight is just a meme now

[clever sapphire]

LFR is usually harder than mythic

[gusty mirage]

Idk if anyone played in 8.3

But when they released LFR Nzoth, they forgot to make it require you to have the corruption cloak

[blazing jewel]

I barely played in nathria youre ancient

[gusty mirage]

So people would queue up nzoth

And get insta MC’d

Because they didn’t have the cloak

Lmao

[clever sapphire]

you would need an item for an lfr boss

wat

[keen spruce]

trying to rank 1 parse in LFR is a fun roguelite trying to roll into a group with buffs, pi for u, wf, and brains

fun activity late tier

[blazing jewel]

Are you sure it’s fun

[keen spruce]

and by fun i mean you want to tear your eyes out

[gusty mirage]

Yeah their brilliance tied an extra action button to the cloak, instead of just making it part of the encounter lol

[clever sapphire]

xD

blizzard is smart

[keen spruce]

lfr nzoth was a fuckin clown fiesta

[lucid birch]

[gusty mirage]

You love these saggy balls, admit it

[jovial verge]

Yeah this was hilarious

they changed it eventually though right?

[gusty mirage]

Yeah after about a week they required the cloak to queue

[keen spruce]

try to tough it out to 10 determination stacks and kill it with 15 people

[gusty mirage]

Gm snow ily

[lucid birch]

Love you too have a good Thursday

[gusty mirage]

you too cutie

[jovial verge]

It’s funny too because ignoring the cloak quest was more effort than just getting it considering you got pops up every two seconds to go get it lol

[royal lantern]

dont question lfr players

[gusty mirage]

[royal lantern]

they are a special kind of stupid

[gusty mirage]

Lfr is always an adventure

[royal lantern]

those are the people that will make a forum post how you can remove the popup everytine you start the game @jovial verge

[clever sapphire]

you know what the most fun in lfr was i had in a while? I was playing my feral and queueing with a pala tank friend for dathea. And every time the boss would do the tank buster knockback thingy, i would taunt the boss

i had the most dmg taken at the end of the fight

[gusty mirage]

Only if they remove the auto accepting of the stupid bfa assaults when you zone in first

[clever sapphire]

and not a single tank got hit by the knockback

[gusty mirage]

If you’re gonna make me go back to nazmir and tirigarde

Pls remove

[grim jay]

Thats so annoying

[gusty mirage]

Like enjoy this in your quest log

Because fuck you otherwise

[clever sapphire]

aight another hot take, bring back the good old seasonal affixes, if they are too dumb to make new ones

removing seasonal just made dungeons even more boring

[blazing jewel]

Absolutely not

[royal lantern]

nah

[keen spruce]

bring back reaping

[blazing jewel]

All my homies hate m+

[royal lantern]

90% of seasonals where shit anyway lol

[keen spruce]

and uncap everything for the season

[blazing jewel]

I want to collect my 8 box and never go back in for the week

[keen spruce]

remove target cap for a season + reaping

[clever sapphire]

well i found all the SL affixes cool

[royal lantern]

look at mr tryhard and 8

im doing 4 if i feel generous for a week

[clever sapphire]

no idea before that tho

but i know there was one in bfa too that was liked

[blazing jewel]

8 “required” keys for the week

[keen spruce]

there were a few in bfa that were good

infested was dogshit

reaping was fun but like not that good of an affix

the pillar one was cool

the other one i recall being annoying af

[royal lantern]

yeha, thats why im not going into a wr 100 guild

[keen spruce]

keys fun tho

[royal lantern]

i want my comfy 2day raiding and get CE somewhere down the line

[keen spruce]

if u don't play assas

[young briar]

I think they should just do seasonal affixes that reward players and help them do the key

[clever sapphire]

so sl affixes 🤔

[young briar]

to help with the normal affixes

Or BFA nyalotha M+ was the shit

Using pillars to path routes

so much fun

[clever sapphire]

and what did we get in DF, an affix of which you couldnt even feel the dps/hps increase that even stunned you if you didnt find the opposite thingy

but the visibility was so shit you needed a WA for it

poooog

[young briar]

SeemsGood

[clever sapphire]

and than make raszageth have the same exact ability but this time you have to stack with the same thingy and not the opposite

very smart way to confuse all the m+ players

[spice surge]

You mean like getting 30% extra damage during your cds? The one everybody hated for some reason?

[clever sapphire]

im thinking more like S2, choose between powers and get stronger as the dungeon goes on (make it have more variety and its fun already)
S3 choose if you want ms and dmg reduction, haste and cooldown reduction or i forgot the third one xD
S4 easiest one, just place random mobs in the dungeon that give you the stat you chose on the beginning of the dungeon. Its not hard and different routing could help there . (killing the affixes first so you have more dmg for like the magmamooth in neltharus)

[royal lantern]

or

just dont make Dungeons shit to run

and dont use 13+year old dungeons for m+

[gusty mirage]

people hated it because it was a waste of time after a certain key level

[clever sapphire]

wdym vortex is fun

[gusty mirage]

the benefit you got wasn't worth the effort/time

it's not by accident the most loved seasonals were either "lul pad a shit ton" or things that gave you options in dungeons

idk why it's so difficult for them to just replicate that

s4 bfa, s3 SL, with the obelisks and the movespeed/stealth buff one

were some of the most liked because they let you shake things up

except the obelisks were 50,000 times better

because they were permanently up

so if you wiped you didn't just get fucked

[clever sapphire]

also the fact that you could spawn the s3 affixes in SL after the key was over to reset cooldowns or just go in with haste buff

[royal lantern]

sl s1

oh look, somone ninja pulled?

key bricked

🙂

[clever sapphire]

didnt play in s1

but i heard from friends that it was fun too

well others hated it tho

[royal lantern]

it was not fun, pridefull was the worst mix possible

very restrictive because bosses/bigger packs and the Timer was balanced around people getting pridefull buff

and if you had a stupid death during
pridefull, it was instant GG, cant time anymore

[clever sapphire]

but you can agree that s2-4 were good affixes?

2 didnt have much variety, they added too few powers imo and balanced it boringly

but the concept was good imo

[gusty mirage]

s2 was awful

[royal lantern]

we went from "70% of dungeons are shit to run and seasonal affixes suck and make everything worse each season" to "70% of dungeons are shit to run and the new affixes are stupid because i cant even interact with them in any shape or form"

[clever sapphire]

why?

i liked it

[royal lantern]

no you dont

[drifting cosmos]

idm tbh, just currently some dgns are overtuned a bit too hard

[royal lantern]

[clever sapphire]

that moment when you like the dungeons, but can only be bothered to do weeklys

xD

sums up DF

[scenic sapphire]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[clever sapphire]

trust me, it gets boring after the second day

you are better off with your weekly only than spamming ti

it

[gusty mirage]

because the 2 non-damaging ones were largely skipped on higher keys

so you'd fight bosses w/ a perma slow

lol

[clever sapphire]

ye it didnt for me either the past seasons, last season was already getting boring, this season is just even worse somehow

[clever sapphire]

hmm well i did say the concept was good, they just needed to make the options better

i can agree with you on the fact that if they just took it 1 to 1 from S2 it would be shit

[young briar]

Bois, for Assault HC, ST build or AOE? Not possible to 1 phase

[raven merlin]

aoe, just have fun

[young briar]

thought as much

[grim jay]

I was done at the 2nd day of week 2

I kinda no life'd the shit out of dungeons so I'm done when d4 drops

And I had the week off

[unborn geode]

just run the M+ aoe build and enjoy... the adds won't stay up long enough execpt for mystics

[young briar]

i got put on the side with all the good dps so my aoe went in the bin

oh well time for rashok parses

[jovial verge]

I've actually really enjoyed this seasons dungeons 😅

playing as sub instead of sin though - miserable as always with sin

[jovial verge]

outside of the week one cluster fuck with tuning

[unborn geode]

i haven't touch the M+ dungeons except when our groups are complaining they don't have a dps... so my knowledge of them is less than nothing atm

[normal mist]

I'm pretty happy about the S2 rotation. I hated S1 outside of court and shadowmoon xD

Oh and AA

[spice surge]

Hating RLP

[normal mist]

Fuck that dungeon

Ew

[spice surge]

Maybe the first week

But late season its by far the best

Academy and rlp very fun, temple very unfun

[clever sapphire]

RLP AA best dungeons, sbg and temple worst

i cant remember the rest

[normal mist]

Shadowmoon? Free weekly loot? D:

[ashen rover]

sbg was just Zzzz

[clever sapphire]

yes free weekly loot, im talking about the dungeon, not my vault

the dungeon was boring and dogshit

[normal mist]

Fair fair

[clever sapphire]

for vault it was best dungeon tho

[ashen rover]

CoS was nice

[clever sapphire]

eh i have a hate against cos because of the ring and whetstone

[ashen rover]

ahhahah i feel you

[normal mist]

I hated azure so much i did it like 4/5 times

The whole season

[clever sapphire]

ye av was shit

last boss was fine after i found out i can vanish the speed slow

and with the seasonal i didnt get slowed beyond 100%

[normal mist]

Truuuue

[clever sapphire]

it was mostly the dungeon setup now that i think about it, the bosses were okayish

av was a mid key, not bad, not good, i wont remember it unless someone brings it up specifically

nokhud was healer key, almost no controll over anything as a dps

so shit

[spice surge]

Theres also a very large difference in how good dungeons are when you are doing high keys VS doing weeklies

[grim jay]

Healers can be disgusting on weeklies

[clever sapphire]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/950448877268504606/1112855817419509841/image.png

im gonna give you my weekly from last week

[spice surge]

Because to me nokhud is almost nothing about the healers specifically and its all how well DPS can use their defensives or stop/dodge the damage to begin with

[clever sapphire]

healer struggled on boss 2 and 3

[spice surge]

But in lower keys when you dont get oneshot i imagine you let it through and have the healer just heal it

[clever sapphire]

okay i was kinda biased there true, i thought about tornado boss and the double boss, where you could get an arrow to your head right after the spread mechanic happened

[balmy light]

Hi, maybe stupid question but i found nothing about this. Is there any like haste "softcap" around 10% i should reach? If there is something about this pls link it for my blind eyes 😄

[spice spire]

No

[balmy light]

So im fine with my 1% haste? ty 🙂

[pure comet]

Pretty sure I saw a comment from one guy here that said he got 0% haste lol

[spice surge]

-28 haste is common in #subtlety

[thorn fjord]

Hell yeah no haste squad

SLOW BOIZ

[clever sapphire]

haste is overrated

[grim jay]

Its always negative haste tho

[spice surge]

True, im too busy taking sockets in my vault so no cloak

[grim jay]

Got cloak in mainraid

[clever sapphire]

no worries, if anyone else has the cloak you wont have any haste

[grim jay]

Proud socket taker aswell

[royal lantern]

9%haste gang

[clever sapphire]

you can gank my ass because i also have 9%

[royal lantern]

wait, 8% now, got the toxic patch

[clever sapphire]

awh no more fun

or maybe i also have 8% not sure, its 8 or 9

[storm belfry]

I had 0% haste for one whole day. Now I’m back at 3

[clever sapphire]

eh probably 9% since i took a haste vers chest out of vault

[clever sapphire]

and can you feel how much more energy you are getting now that you are at 3%

its insane right?

[storm belfry]

No

[clever sapphire]

good

[storm belfry]

Never felt a difference from 3 to 10%

Just felt cool to have absolutely 0 haste

[clever sapphire]

dont heal the affix and you will have 0 again

[royal lantern]

because there is none

[royal lantern]

actually you will have negative haste

and THATS noticable

[clever sapphire]

didnt play a single key yet

[royal lantern]

i mean

[clever sapphire]

and its gonna stay like that

[royal lantern]

if the affix goes boom

you wipe

dmg is your last problem lol

your tank just dies and the healer cant heal him anymore

[clever sapphire]

so heal issue

noted

[thorn fjord]

as long as you've got a competent healer this week is so free

[ruby rover]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[royal lantern]

i mean

its also enough to just have any dps with a dispell aswell

and its hard to not have a dps/tank in your group that cant do 1 lol

[thorn fjord]

yeah

[dusky granite]

I don’t know if it’s just my crit being low to make up for lower Haste with Seal Fate, but I definitely feel the low haste

[thorn fjord]

This is the week to get your portals

[royal lantern]

mate

you dont "feel" low haste

10% haste is 1 energy more per second

that translates into 10% haste giving you 1multialte more in 1 minute

[dusky granite]

You definitely feel it at 0

[thorn fjord]

Nah

Optimize your tea usage

[royal lantern]

if you can actually feel the difference bettwen 3-4 mutilate casts trought out an entire fight

idk

[clever sapphire]

i was making jokes about feeling the difference between 5% and 5.1%, its fun to see when someone actually means it

[spice surge]

It also ups the amount from venomous, but ye its not a massive amount

[thorn fjord]

i fat fingered a second tea by mistake the other night and oh boy were those next 20 seconds excruciating

[royal lantern]

yeha but thats also very minor

lets give it 2 more mutilate casts then

[strange python]

Warrior, hunter, rogue, warlock week ')

[thorn fjord]

We aint gotta worry about shit

just slam slam slam

And shiv here and there ya feel?

[clever sapphire]

nvm

[idle inlet]

Is fragment bugged on all Sims or just blood mallet and if it's all Sims is it still bugged on raidbots

[thorn fjord]

I know they figured out it was oversimming on Tuesday

Not sure if raidbots has been updated to reflect

[clever sapphire]

compare it to a same ilvl dice

is it simming similiar dmg? then it was fixed

[thorn fjord]

Its lower than a same IL Dice

[clever sapphire]

ah true

lower not similiar

[tacit otter]

i think whispyr will update the pin when raidbots got the changes

[idle inlet]

Yeah cuz right now fragment sims 1k dps higher for me than dice

[bleak ledge]

Is Mark of Dargul a decent option to farm after rework?

[pure moth]

Check pins. You'll see the trinket list to go for

Sim it though for your profile and see how well it sims for you. But people seem to be using fragment/dice before raid trinkets

[bleak ledge]

I’m gonna lose my mind if I farm more freehold

Watched dice drop for a resto sham and they insta equipped. Had 2 dice in the same run and both needed. Lost roll on a free dice to hunter side grade. I cry

[raven merlin]

i farm with u, can trade and u trade me ring with socket, ty

[spice spire]

Just get 447 ring with socket from vault

[young briar]

BOIS

I PADDED A LITTLE TOO HARD https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/gMHbzw1fd9nXpByP/#fight=last&type=damage-done

[pure moth]

You certainly did

[young briar]

Half the raid was dead when we got to P3

so i went brrr

[young briar]

@keen spruce - i came for you

[young briar]

In my defence i didnt ask for it

[slate crane]

hey, can someone explain this?

[spice spire]

Boys

What the fuck

[spice spire]

Don’t Exsang after deathmark

Death mark is also a bleed that will halve its duration which is a loss

Always Exsang before dm 🙂

[gaunt moat]

What if I'm a smooth brain and accidently pressed DM before exsang during opener

[spice spire]

Guess you’re going to wipe the raid then

Gg go next pull

[gaunt moat]

yap, there's no choice

[spice spire]

Im@really bad at the end usually

[wind totem]

Which boots should i craft if I play sin in raids and outlaw in keys?

[thorn fjord]

Slimey

[wind totem]

Cool. Thanks

[slate crane]

but why we used exsang in season 1 not with DM?

[crude moat]

I'm havind a hard time trying to figure sin rogue rotation in m+

Any rogue main could help me?

[young briar]

Stealth -> IDC -> Garrote -> ER -> Rupture -> FoK -> CT -> FoK Envenom Spam

[crude moat]

This is fine, saw it on wowhead, icy veins etc

A question for sin rogue mains, when to use crimson tempest? I saw a streamer today with 3k Io using it with at least 2 adds, in boss encounters he doesn't use it, but looking at the spell it does more damage than envenem in long term, why should only envenom be used at boss?, In a big pull should I spend cp in crimson tempest or envenom to try to proc poison bomb?

This is the question

I made it on wow reddit but seems like no one plays sin rogue lol

[young briar]

so WoWhead is best resource

Cus Whispyr is Jesus

But its dependant on packs

[crude moat]

But it lacks a bit of info

[young briar]

but you always apply on 2+ mobs, but spamming is different

ST is not worth

Cus Envenom is stronger

[crude moat]

Thats what i dont get, if you do the math the damage of ct is higher than envenom with the thicks, no?

What am i missing

[young briar]

Spam Envenom Less than 5 Mobs, Spam CT whilst weaving envenom to keep the buff uptime with 6 or more mobs

[tacit otter]

envenom applies a buff which is strong in singletarget

[young briar]

Your missing the energy is uses

and CPs

[crude moat]

Uhh, right, didn't know about this

[young briar]

best thing to do is study ur talents

[crude moat]

New rogue player btw

[young briar]

So if you read the tooltip of envenom

[tacit otter]

ye you want to maintain the envenom buff in both aoe and st

[young briar]

it says it there

[crude moat]

Hm, the guy that i watched never spam crimson tempest, i wonder if he's doing something wrong

[young briar]

Again depends on the packs but u need a lot of mobs to prio CT over Envenom

cus PB is so potent

[crude moat]

Alright, i am getting the idea now

[young briar]

but you still always maintain the envenom buff

[crude moat]

Right

[young briar]

• CT is blended in the new 4set

so especially after DM drops

CT spam is more value

Sin rogue is quite situational

[crude moat]

It is a lot situational actually

[vapid sierra]

Kinda situation dependant. St you don’t maintain, you just envenom. 2+ targets you maintain. If targets are grouped I would envenom until there’s 6/7+., then I would ct

[crude moat]

So many variables

[vapid sierra]

Or if they’re not grouped

Than ct

[young briar]

Welcome to Sin rogue my guy

where u will spend the next 6 months figuring out when to press what button

[tacit otter]

its probably one of the reason the few people left playing assa still plays it^^

[crude moat]

Damn

I love it!

Thanks guys

[vapid sierra]

Not really

[crude moat]

I will lookup talents

[vapid sierra]

Don’t make it harder than it seems

[young briar]

@crude moat - I stream Assa rogue so ur more than welcome to watch

[vapid sierra]

Talents in faq

[deft ingot]

I am a visual and auditory learner is there a good sin youtube guide out there that people would recommend for raid?

[vapid sierra]

Or in !whispyr

[young briar]

@vapid sierra - i kinda exxagerrated

[crude moat]

Do you? i wanna watch

I will sub to you

[tacit otter]

the pins and the faq are great source of resources aswell:)

[crude moat]

Whats your twitch

[vapid sierra]

Not to my knowledge

You could look at whispyr vids

Vods

[young briar]

^ - Doing HC sark in less than 4 hours

[vapid sierra]

See what he does, pretty sure he had an addon to show the abilities he uses

[crude moat]

Great, i will be there

[marble hemlock]

idk. shouldnt take long to figure out the correct buttons to press as assa. open talent window, press specializations, switch to sub

[crude moat]

Lol

[young briar]

Where you press Shuriken tornado and black power and do equivalent damage :)))))))))

[marble hemlock]

wdym equivalent

you mean 30-50% more dmg

[royal lantern]

sstorm->powder->sstorm->powder->sstorm->powder->sstorm->powder->dance->sstorm->powder->sstorm->sectech->sstorm->powder->sstorm->powder->sstorm->powder->sstorm->powder->sstorm->powder->sstorm->powder->sstorm->powder->sstorm->powder->sstorm->powde

wtf guys im top overall dps