assassination

[steel ridge]

When i first met you here, you were still a mere red assassination mortal

[brazen zodiac]

c:

[steel ridge]

you climbed up that colorboard pretty fast man gz

[gaunt moat]

when did you join RH?

[steel ridge]

like 3 years ago

[gaunt moat]

Yeah i figured it was around the time i left

[deft flicker]

I didn’t even realize Sepsis icon and purple name pair so well together

🥹

[steel ridge]

must have been yeah

[winter gale]

Eranog ring+Bomb dispenser is working good? I have a head tier piece to swap with Cowl*

To make myself 4set*

[balmy condor]

Sim it

4pc should be better than 2+2, enough to be able to just run bomb+eranog

But ya never know

[civic creek]

I sold this ring to vendor, it is more effective than 0.5 overall damage in the keys.

But still have new chants on weapons, still do not know what would be better, new enchants or standard to increase primary stat. New enchants looks powerful like additional 6-7k dps per sec when it procs. What is your preferences guys/girls/non-binary persons?

[clever sapphire]

What sim tells me is my preference

[limber hollow]

hi, someone have weakaura tracker number multitarget rupture ?

[clever sapphire]

Im pretty sure on the afenar or luxthos one, it says a number above your rupture

Not sure which one it is tho

[limber hollow]

ok i check

[calm trail]

hi, ive had a look at the opener in faq, but should i be using exsang and deathmark at the same time? or stagger them apart please

[limber hollow]

ty is Luxthos

[deft flicker]

Use both on cooldown, combine if possible (max duration bleeds - Exsang - Deathmark)

[calm trail]

noted, thank you

[limber lion]

Out of curiosity, what would you use it for?

[gaunt moat]

It helps sometimes to let you know when a dot dropped from another target

[limber lion]

Honestly, don't use Exsang on cooldown. Just always use it with Deathmark every 4mins, unless the fight ends before Deathmark comes up

[limber lion]

But of what use would that information be?

If you notice the Rupture drops, then you have to search through every single nameplate to find the one that's missing it. Most packs you don't even need a second Rupture because stuff dies before you yield the value of reapplying the rupture, or you stay saturated until IC comes back up. Or it's a very high key and a smaller pack with like 3 very high hp mobs, at which point you can track it with judt nameplates.

Making sure every mob in the pack always has rupture on them is not that important, especially if the mobs die with the fresh ruptures on them

As long as you're energy saturated and making sure to spread garrotes on cooldown and rupture whenever the big mobs that won't die in 5s have em, you're good

Spending 5 cp on 3 ruptures on targets that die in 10s is usually worse than just slamming a CT and 2 Envenoms instead

You have to consider TTD a lot when playing Assa. At some point it's better to just spam Envenoms instead Ruptures.

I can see it being useful on like a 3-5 target council fight where you have to have em up at all times for several minutes straight, but that's about it

[toxic night]

Im from the future assa rogue is now broken and a must pick in every comp

[limber hollow]

for MM+ to know fast how many rupture i have active.

[limber lion]

But why?

[limber hollow]

no particular reason^^

[limber lion]

It doesn't really change how you play whether you know if yoy have 7 ruptures on a pack of 9 enemies or not

But fair enough, if it's just for funzies go for it

[limber hollow]

it's especially for when I play sub

to know if I have 3/4 rupture on 9 enemies all time

[final star]

Colour changing plates better

[limber lion]

Yeh

Big vouch for colored plates for that stuff

[final star]

Knowing how many you have out is entirely useless

Seeing who has it is valuable

[gaunt moat]

Not very useful on big packs. In those you usually don't even rupture that much if at all.
More useful on boss fights with 2-3 targets.

For example, kurog's add
you just wanna focus kurog, but at least put dots on the add

[clever sapphire]

but thats the place where i would need that even less, because if i just look at the target instead of my weakaura i can instantly see if a dot is up and for how long

[marble hemlock]

Do people need a wa to tell them their dot uptime on 2 targets? Sounds like a nameplate issue

[gaunt moat]

My nameplates are less clear for me than looking at the WAs at the center of the screen

[clever sapphire]

dunno i prefer lookin at my target to know details and not at a weakaura

[limber lion]

That's a nameplate thing

Reapplying AFTER your weakaura says that it's dropped is not ideal

[gaunt moat]

For sure, i mean, different stuff work for different people

[limber lion]

You do it during pandemic

[clever sapphire]

only place i preferred nameplate changing color was council

because having 2 dots up on 4 targets gets easier with good nameplates

[limber lion]

If you always only reapply stuff after it's dropped, it's super non-optimal

You instantly energystarve yourself, have to build resources to reapply after the fact and take time to actually reapply

At that point you need a weak aura that only tracks all ruptures on all targets instead of a number that says how many are active

[gaunt moat]

Yes I know how assassination works, thank you.

i didn't say i'm letting it drop

[limber lion]

That's what you're applying

If the weakaura tells you how many are active and you reapply by using it, that's exactly what you're doing

Legit no reason NOT* to use nameplates for that stuff

[marble hemlock]

A wa that tells you how many ruptures you have won't help you maintain them to begin with.

[limber lion]

It's just extra unnecessary stuff on the screen

Would highly recommend everyone who plays this spec to find a good plater setup for 2+ targets

[marble hemlock]

You'll wanna extend them within pandemic, not reapply after they fall off. But that's exactly what the wa would tell you.

[gaunt moat]

I'm not telling you not to use nameplates, I answered why it might be useful in some cases.

[limber lion]

But it's not useful though, because the information is too late

[hallow sonnet]

I could see some use in a WA that tells you the duration of your shortest rupture (or until it can be refreshed) so you could disregard checking name plates for duration until that time. Would be more useful than informing you that a rupture already dropped

[limber lion]

Yeah even that would have more use, but that also inevitably just forces you to scroll through every plate a few seconds later just to find the one that's at short duration, which kinda defeats the purpose.

So you track nameplates during reapplication, then you look away for 5s, then you have to do the entire scanning process again to find the plate at a short duration

[hallow sonnet]

Would be preferably coupled with some indicator on nameplate level too. But knowing that "for 10s I don't need to care about rupture at all"

I'm much a proponent for planning over reacting to stuff. So like a nameplate suddenly turning yellow wanting you to rupture it works worse for me, than knowing that in x-y interval I need to start planning how to set up my new ruptures is better

[limber lion]

Yeah if you wanted to be super optimal (rupture use -wise only) you would color every nameplate wity a rupture on it a different color when the rupture drops to pandemic + 2s so you have time to build resources for the pandemic if you wanted to reapply instantly. But no one does that, because Rupture's pandemic is so long that even if you look away for 5s, you still have time to reapply. But if you never ever look at nameplates and only at a weakaura that says either 1 or 0 when a rupture is applied, it's just not a good way forward.

[hallow sonnet]

I agree

[limber lion]

Yeah exactly, that's kinda what Assassination is at least in AoE

Not much planning in single target unfortunately.

Coolies on cooldown

[hallow sonnet]

mm.. kinda dislike that direction our specs has taken in that regard. But oh well

But people should be a bit weary with the amount of information they put on their screens in general.
Make sure that the WA's you have actually help you make decisions in a correct way. And not just exist for you to get distracted by

Which means that if there's a WA that forces you to react, rather than giving you the information ahead of time letting you plan when to use it, then it will eat a lot of your focus that could be spent on something else

[limber lion]

Very much so.

Planning to do your big cooldown burst window with all cds, potion and trinket ready?

Boom, Rupture drops, gotta reapply it during coolies

Instead of 5s before all the cooldowns came up (which pandemic allows you to do)

[hallow sonnet]

Yeah

[limber lion]

That's the beauty of pandemic, it allows you to plan stuff

[hallow sonnet]

Also more zoomed out, you might be very focused on "ticking" all your rotation things in order to get the big dps window off. Only for the boss to go immune

[limber lion]

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/insane-kitten-cat-kitty-gif-25237384

[spice surge]

Like when i see a sub pov that tracks alacrity, deeper daggers, danse macabre and cold blood cd in the same way they track stuff like dance and symbols

[royal lantern]

i delete alacrity from all wa packages

cus its so pointless

[hallow sonnet]

Yeah, though CB I'd say is beneficial to track. You run into several situations where you want to use SecTech without CB. Especially in M+

Alacrity is a prime example. Tracking alacrity will never make you play differently. So no reason to track it

[vestal wren]

shadow techniques for sub is probably one of the big "overthinking" weakauras

[marble hemlock]

well, you used to actually pool for procs, not so much anymore

but i remember in legion that youd even turn to not melee to delay shtech procs etc.

[pulsar dirge]

what are you guys playing on zaqali? Still sepsis ST? Should I go outlaw just for this one ?Just asking your opinions

[gusty mirage]

What difficulty?

[subtle tundra]

It's more of a trash pack before a boss

[pulsar dirge]

mythic

[gusty mirage]

I’d probably just play sub tbh

Or outlaw

[pulsar dirge]

I have an irrational hatred for sub

[tribal mauve]

Full St, guildmates cleave is enough 8)

[gaunt moat]

I go full AoE with IC
we don't lack ST
But this "boss" is so trivial, just go what's more fun for you imo.

[vestal wren]

echoing had (or still has) a big list of things to play around sht, but we luckily don't play that atm

[silk bane]

my RL made me drop bp for that fight cuz I should just 'funnel' and not pad

[pure moth]

uh i would have gquit on the spot lol

[silk bane]

Almost did! lul

[gusty mirage]

[subtle tundra]

yea if my raid leader tells me what talents to play ill just tell him to fuck off

(i copy top warcraft log parse)

[storm forum]

my healing officer tried to tell me the incorrect rotation for disc last week, that was fun

[silk bane]

like its w/e if youre on an actual hard boss and hes like yeah we dont need add damage, just try to do boss damage only for prog. like sure. but assult? bro this fights easier than the slime trash before experiments. giga tilted me ngl

[clever sapphire]

first of all if they say you funnel better without BP you can already tell he has no idea about rogue

second funnel into what, there is nothing worth "funneling" into

[silk bane]

'mystic' LMFAO

i was like bro just go next this thing breaks in 2 seconds what

[gusty mirage]

Damn bro is it week 1?

We all 422 ilvl?

[silk bane]

i swear he just hates rogues

keeps coping that rogues the most broken brain dead shit out there

[storm forum]

what is BP

[silk bane]

black powder

[storm forum]

oh

[clever sapphire]

i mean if they want you to funnel just go assa

[storm forum]

sub acronyms in my christian assa chat

[gusty mirage]

True that’s why there’s so many rogues in the top 100 of overall parses

[storm forum]

smh

[clever sapphire]

bp and ss are the only 2 sub acronyms i know

[storm forum]

sub has shrouded suffocation?

[clever sapphire]

ss stands for so much

sinister strike, shrouded, shadow strike

shuriken storm

[storm forum]

Wowee

[silk bane]

to be honest this happens like every tier with sub/outlaw. they start off strong in week 2, cuz all their damage comes from trinkets and procs, you just get it and you blast. then people say see? shits broken. then they dont get any stronger for the rest of tier and go straight to the bottom. like right now. look at last 4 fights. all 3 rogue specs are ass for all those fights. sub slightly less ass

[gusty mirage]

[clever sapphire]

i would say rogue deserves a nerf because we saw play in RWF

and im pretty sure at one time they even considered playing assa over sub

[silk bane]

what

[storm forum]

i would say rogue needs a buff cause not all 3 of our specs were in the WF kill

[clever sapphire]

ye i think there was a fight where i saw a swap to assa, but i think they swapped back before even started

or i was trippin

both could be true

[silk bane]

sins doing less ST than ww on magmorax. apparently its not very good at 'not having uptime and still donig stonks single target damage'. who knew. tettles in shambles.

[clever sapphire]

tettles is the guy who put assa over sub for his M+ ranking

that sums it up

[clever sapphire]

tbh i found rwf pretty okay this time around, every class got play and almost all got played in the sarkareth kill

besides hunter, but thats a hunter problem

[gusty mirage]

I mean it's a very small sample size for both to take any conclusion from parses

there's almost 4x as many sub parses as there are sin & ww parses combined

and 5.5 minutes is decent for assassination CDs

just rogue is very meh

[gaunt moat]

According to who!? I just came back from Reddit, and Rogue is completely broken class, if anything it needs nerfs.

[gusty mirage]

true

atrophic op

[silk bane]

its not a lot of parses, but I would have to assume all those 12 people who killed mythic lava dog while still playing sin, are somewhat more comfortable with sin, or atleast semi decent sin players.

but yeah, your point stands for sure

[gusty mirage]

problem is with a small sample size

is what if you get the mythic soak on soak 8

and you're yeeting off to zskarn's plat

as the sacrifice

ya know?

don't get me wrong

[deft flicker]

Rogue is op yet somehow least played class… Something aint right

[gusty mirage]

the "assassination gud cause better without uptime"

is the funniest cope I've ever read

but I think the timings of the fight are solid for exsang sepsis

[viscid spear]

[gusty mirage]

assuming you don't get cucked with mechanics

should be just as good as sub

[fleet pagoda]

heroic zskarn timings are kind of cursed

[gusty mirage]

just sub can high roll moar dam

[fleet pagoda]

always golems popping up for second DM

[gusty mirage]

zskarn everything is cursed bro

that entire fight is dogshit

Newsham should be ashamed that this was his design

instead of crying about cheesing his own shit boss

[fleet pagoda]

i like it more than the subsequent fight

[gusty mirage]

zskarn might be the worst boss blizzard has ever released

it's a bunch of cool sounding mechanics

[silk bane]

zskarn was basically guardian, people had hope that it would be cool and then it was basically Dathea like hmmmmmge

[gusty mirage]

assembled in possibly the worst fucking way possible

as melee you're just chasing the boss around

for 8 minutes

they should've just had the golems break the platform

instead of the traps

and then there's a p2

would've been so much better

it's too long

it's a diarrhea of mechanics

[fleet pagoda]

yeah that's fair. a bit redundant as it goes on

[silk bane]

holy shit that actually sounds like a good fight

breaking the platform makes it way ebtter

[gusty mirage]

yea the main issue with the 50 million mechanics that are all counter-intuitive to how you want to play the boss

is that it lasts for too fucking long

if there was a p2

you could shrug your shoulders and be like

okay well that was kinda shitty

its the fact that you have to deal with it for 8 minutes straight

lmao

[silk bane]

this tier honestly as a whole felt so weird

idk if we got too strong with the new upgrading system

or bosses were undertuned or just brain dead with no mechanics

but everything was boring and fell over.

and it just was annoying at some point

[gusty mirage]

rashok bis fight

tbh

by far

at least on mythic

[silk bane]

it is the most fun fight for melee

but even that, doenst have any cool mechanics

just becoems a dps/hps check

[gusty mirage]

ya

sometimes the simple fights are the best

where you just have to play clean

and you kill it

I hope they don't nerf it

[silk bane]

i doubt they will

[gusty mirage]

that would actually be disappointing

I think they will because idk if you watched anvil & nexus sx on it

but yikers

[silk bane]

people are already killing it without even getting close to enrage

[gusty mirage]

[silk bane]

LMFAO

dude when we killed it, our warlock soaked the last jump without popping a single defensive

thats how cluless we were

and it still died

[gusty mirage]

when we killed it

we all decided to wait for the last 5%

to all soak waves

so our tank solo'd the last 0.2%

lmao

[silk bane]

AHAHAHAH

[gusty mirage]

all night I didn't get hit with 1 wave

that last pull

I was pretending I was a surfer

I reupped my bleeds

got hit with 3 waves

and died

[silk bane]

honestly gotta respect it

very based yep

[gusty mirage]

I went full ape

[silk bane]

dude i played rotten on that fight.

got a mechanic every single burst window

legit almost double front flipped out of my window

[gusty mirage]

voluntarily playing rotten

[silk bane]

its okay, im going to a therapist about it

somethings gotta be wrong with me

if im doing that

[fleet pagoda]

our sub rogue got tagged for like 4 searing slams in a row... mans got sandbagged by the boss himself

[gusty mirage]

lmfao

I want to record the things I say outloud to myself

while raiding

just so I can laugh about them later

[silk bane]

LMFAO

[gusty mirage]

I got a soak during my 2nd deathmark on magmorax last night

and I was like BRO NO SHOT

WHAT DID I DO TO DESERVE THIS

then I'm in egypt soaking puddles

wondering why I'm doing 110k

[silk bane]

dude that fight... everything about it tilts me

how it can kill your pull with one east zimbabwe soak

[gusty mirage]

I love when some soaks are all around the boss

and then some soaks

[silk bane]

how awful it is for a 7th boss

[gusty mirage]

are in the beginning of the instance

the consistency is just

[silk bane]

u know it was made by a first time encounter designer

which is like

sure fine.

[gusty mirage]

also I love when the mythic soak sometimes double hits people

and just insta kills them

[silk bane]

but why put nit as 7th boss man

[gusty mirage]

that's my 2nd fav

we love proccing cheat death through feint

and amz

I'm just at 90% health

[silk bane]

oh yeah someone told me to take elusiveness over cheat for that fight

cuz its rot

[gusty mirage]

then suddenly I proc cheat

[silk bane]

bro

kill me

LOL

[gusty mirage]

and I'm like oh okay

check combat log

got double hit

like sick

[silk bane]

surely one of the fights of all time

[gusty mirage]

it is indeed a raid fight

that's for sure

reminds of me of rygelon

[grim tangle]

just don't die?

[gusty mirage]

where they fucked something up

and he was double meleeing tanks

for like

400k

[silk bane]

LMFAO

good tiems

the difference is that fighg twas fun

this is not

[gusty mirage]

god I loved rygelon man

what a banger of a fight

[silk bane]

dude imagine having rygelon AND holundrus in the same tier

[gusty mirage]

well until the warlocks would blow me off the platform

because they refused to move

out of melee

I also had a warlock cast dogs on me

during lords intermission

[silk bane]

LOOOOL hes padding ont he homies

[gusty mirage]

well he killed me

and he goes "well I didn't do anything"

you look at my deathlog

"call dreadstalkers"

like k

[silk bane]

warlock pov

[royal lantern]

warlocks are a special breed of stupid

[silk bane]

dude our warlock litearlly soaked the last rashok jump without popping a single defensive

and was shocked

when he died

theyre not real people man

[gusty mirage]

lmfao

my new guild's locks are gamers

I'm happy

[silk bane]

im so jealous ngl

[royal lantern]

now the ultimate character test

ask them about curse of weakness

and how they react

[gusty mirage]

they cast it

[royal lantern]

WHAT THE FUCK

[gusty mirage]

yeah man

our locks are gamers

lol

they volunteer for mechanics

and everything

one of our warlocks is also a rogue

he abandoned me for warlock

my sacrifice is his joy

[clever sapphire]

he probably wanted to see himself on the dps meter

[gusty mirage]

he found out sub's playing rotten and his response was "oh my god"

sepsis and flag and ER and SBS

we never left SL

unfort

[silk bane]

dude fun story about one our warlocks. when we were killing H sarc we all would gate the first giant explosion thingy in p3 so the rocks are neatly together and stuff. one of our locks couldnt make it to the middle so he dropped a gate on top of the other pre existing gate and gated in. we all clicked on the wrong gate went from directly under the explosion to slightly right of directly under explosion and died. the lock that dropped gate, realized he cant take gate again and also died. 200IQ players

[gusty mirage]

[grim tangle]

do some warlocks not use curse of weakness?

[gusty mirage]

ya some refuse to

cause it costs a global

lol

[grim tangle]

like... on prog though?

[clever sapphire]

question is, would you press atrohpic if it was like curse?

[grim tangle]

yes

[gusty mirage]

ya my old guild had a warlock that never pressed it ever

literally ever

prog, not prog

didn't matter

[gusty mirage]

I feint & vial on CD during heavy healing intense fights on prog

so what's one more global

parse number matters very little to me on prog

[clever sapphire]

true dat, i remember competing for feint/vial casts with the other rogue in the guild on terros

[gusty mirage]

I miss the nimble fingers conduit in SL

vial was free

feint was like 7 energy

[spice surge]

Tfw we got old and our fingers arent as nimble anymore

[silk bane]

dude imagine if the new awful nimble reduced feint/vials energy AND cd

we'd be gamers

[gusty mirage]

[silk bane]

or idk since vials so worthless, mayeb when you feint you also get a vial at the end of it for free

[gusty mirage]

bro

imagine if this was your prog

[silk bane]

or idk make vial give us something, like extra avoidance, stats, leech, will to live anything

[gusty mirage]

oh

funny you say that

because we were supposed to get that

in SL

[silk bane]

11 pulls

assult?

59 experiment?

[gusty mirage]

they nerfed vial

and wanted to compensate it with pickpocketable buffs

to it

[spice surge]

Ima let you know that i was chugging vials for 12s straight on zskarn cheese strat

[silk bane]

based. as expected

[gusty mirage]

and that just never happened

[silk bane]

u know, theyre busy man

[gusty mirage]

it was actually a slide at blizzconline

[silk bane]

reworking spriest

and warlock

takes time

sometimes u forget

[gusty mirage]

yeah man

any day now

[silk bane]

so u just nerf and leave it

[gusty mirage]

the buffs are coming soon

[silk bane]

any expansion now for sure

[clever sapphire]

surely vial buffs in the next patch

[gusty mirage]

• us every patch in SL

[silk bane]

dude we brought 6 healers. we were chilling LOL

[clever sapphire]

imagine pressing vial, than you see a dh at 10% pressing eyebeam and going to full

[silk bane]

we had 2 MW just spiinning on boss

[clever sapphire]

meanwhile you go from 80 to 90

[spice surge]

I mean ye but when the boss was of in the distance and we had symbols from our priest

I just kept chugging it

[silk bane]

my fav is when my RL says alright we use symbols here to reset personals. and im looking at my vial like yes sir. im ready to die

[spice surge]

Its such a meme that it reduces vial CD and not something actually useful

Atleast be feint and vial

[silk bane]

dude i feel like they ahve to be trolling rogues

like we reset sprint not step

with the evoker thing

we reset vial with symbols

[dawn kelp]

[silk bane]

like whos deciding these

[gusty mirage]

You guys you can back to back a hot that overwrites

Poggies

Big symbols value

[gusty mirage]

The same person who buffed BM hunter when it was already the best spec in the game

[ancient rain]

Guys, that's because the assa rework isn't announced yet! I heard it's coming today

[toxic night]

Still waiting for thatrework

[vestal wren]

technically don't overwrites

[clever sapphire]

wdym bm is now dogshit, they were just prebuffing so now they can ignore

[gusty mirage]

That has not been my experience with it

Granted I haven’t relied on vial much

Because it’s borderline useless

I press it out of habit most of the time

[vestal wren]

basically what it does is:

• pandemic refreshes if possible
• not refreshes if duration would be lower
  it is just
• pandemic is dependent on the duration of the buff (symbols from dance is 6 seconds, while symbols as button is 10)

[gusty mirage]

To pretend I’m doing my part

[silk bane]

the only time i ever used vial and was like yeah this makes sense was season 1 hyrjia and last boss ruby. everywhere else its ass

[gusty mirage]

If it does pandemic it ends up costing you a tick because it restarts the hot either way

When you’re dying you’re better off just waiting it out and pressing it again

[vestal wren]

but i agree, it is annoying how it works, i found myself out of habbit use symbols like in prior seasons, losing all of the value from 2p

[gusty mirage]

God I relate to this so hard

I think I waste 80% of my opening symbols

[vestal wren]

i got it down by now i think, but took me a bit

[gusty mirage]

Just hard coded to symbols with rupture

Into dance

[vestal wren]

not to far off, its just a habbit

[gusty mirage]

Yeah it’ll take some getting used to

[vestal wren]

the opener has a lot of buttons to press, so its normal that you auto-pilote some

[gusty mirage]

I still shadowstrike half the time with TFD talented lol

[vestal wren]

i use a macro for dance-strike

ironically

*dance+ gloomblade

[vestal wren]

^ this would be terrible for rotten

because the rotten buff applies too late, so you would not get the benefits from rotten on your first gcd in dance

[silk bane]

oh yeah its so funny to me that rottens bugged like that

[vestal wren]

its a race condition more or less

[silk bane]

u dont even nee the macro. if you just gb fat enough it'll break

[vestal wren]

you send the gloom blade before the server applies rotten

[silk bane]

in my experience, if your first gb doesnt get rotten, rotten just doesnt work. like if you gb again it doesnt get the buff

its like the first gb consumes it, but doesnt actually consume it

[vestal wren]

also good reminder, i should put that on the bug tracker

oh ye, i think it still consumes rotten

so its just lost

[silk bane]

yea

[vestal wren]

not sure if other specs have the same problem

[upper trail]

we also spent alot of time on experiments. way more than was necessary, major tank grief.

[gusty mirage]

Parried finishers consume anima charged combo points

And there can be some spell queue shenanigans with exsang and DM

If you try going too fast

They need to remove parries from finishers

Because it just bricks your entire rotation

[vestal wren]

i need to test

if the shadow dance problems apply to sin/outlaw too

[fleet pagoda]

ahhh is that why i'm sometimes not getting DM out when I'm getting through my opener? or am I misunderstanding

[vestal wren]

(stance switch delays)

[gusty mirage]

Yeah it ends up spell queuing something else while you’re trying to press DM

So you just don’t get it off until like half a global later

[fleet pagoda]

i say opener but i usually have that issue more on the 4minute use

thank you

[vestal wren]

did you try lowering spell queue to ~200 - 250

[fleet pagoda]

that's at 400 or something by default right? think mine is set to 100 and still having some wonkiness with it

[grim jay]

100 is kinda low tbf

[vestal wren]

^ i would not advise to put it to low

[grim jay]

I use 175 and that is already considered low

[vestal wren]

to shortly explain what spell queue does:

• it allows you to queue up a spell in advanced

[grim jay]

anything lower and it fucks stuff up

[vestal wren]

the downside, if you are not aware of when your gcd is, it is easy to queue up a wrong spell

esp. with classes with very low gcd like outlaw during ar

[fleet pagoda]

so that'd be why it's getting bungled up on my 4min and not my opener with heroism then, if I'm digesting that correctly

[vestal wren]

there is common misconception that you can't change whats queued up

but you can change it any time, only factor between doing that is lag (input lag, latency, server tick rates)

also people highly overestimate how long 100 or 200 ms are

spell queue is basically good for you because you can cast spells back to back

[grim jay]

yeah. some people with 30ms have issues with 175, I'm fine with it on 16ms. its something you gotta find for yourself, but lowering isnt always better

[vestal wren]

you should not set it dependent on your ms

[grim jay]

no, just saying it has some influence seemingly

[vestal wren]

it was a bigger topic with corruption

because caster classes could get insane levels of haste

and we had no stat dr back then

so 0.75 gcd vs. 400ms spell queue

basically spell queue was mroe than half of your gcd

[fleet pagoda]

thanks for advising, will put it back up to 200 at least and go from there

[grim jay]

yeah I'd start with 200 and feel your way through

[vestal wren]

as always, just try what works for you best

[civic creek]

That feelings when you playing with default wow interface and use only dbm and details, and reading some terrible things like above

[main crypt]

!sheet

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[royal lantern]

trust me, its better

many people make their own life more complicated by tracking things they dont need to track, or making complicated changes for no reason at all

[storm onyx]

With a good raidleader, you don’t even need dbm, just Wa for heads ups

[clever sapphire]

with the current raid you dont even need a raidlead or dbm, nothing important is happening (not considering the last bos)

[civic creek]

True! I Killed last boss in heroic with pugs on 3 attempt, I didn't even have time to understand what I should do except dps and get out from shit on the floor

[wraith cosmos]

so long as you have few people that take care of bombs you just follow what rest of the group is doing

or interrupt the boss before tank comes up and get tapped

[clever sapphire]

tbh its fun because on my first heroic clear i had legit no idea about any boss, and at the end of the clear i still had no idea. All i knew is that i cant cloak the zskarn bombs xD

[royal lantern]

i mean yeha

they do physical dmg

(i also learned that by sprinting into 2 bombs week1)

[ancient rain]

I have a 441 dagger and I cant upgrade a second dagger to 441 without crests. is this intended?

[royal lantern]

you need both weapon slots/trinket slots/rings at the lvl for the discount

[ancient rain]

stooped

[toxic night]

give me them assa rogue patch notes

[royal lantern]

rogue patch notes

both specs need it

[tranquil cobalt]

What did I miss

[royal lantern]

no

i mean

not assa patchnotes

general rogue patchnotes

assa and sub both need help

[cunning nest]

Isnt sub better than ol?

[tranquil cobalt]

Yep

Outlaw tier set is currently around 3% increase. It's Giga bad

[royal lantern]

sub has a total direction problem

[gusty mirage]

at least sub is middle of the pack

[royal lantern]

not about numbers

[gusty mirage]

sure it is

[royal lantern]

sub is just shit holding togheter by a string

[gusty mirage]

they made a tier set that made the dead part of their tree viable

[cunning nest]

Ah you man Design, not tuning

[royal lantern]

yes

tuning is easy lol

[gusty mirage]

I'd argue assassination's design is significantly worse

people seem to like sub

[royal lantern]

mate, you know the answer

cus it does dmg

lol

[gusty mirage]

I mean

stealthi and push seem to enjoy sub

regardless of numbers

[royal lantern]

you listen to the opinion if a trash panda?

[gusty mirage]

when he's one of the best sub rogues on this planet

yes

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/knock-knock-raccoon-trashpanda-hello-trashcan-gif-19328568

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/raccoon-yes-gif-11132867

[gusty mirage]

@earnest remnant love this video of you

[royal lantern]

when people talk shit about sub

i mean yeha, sub just needs a bit dmg shoved somewhere else

assa needs functional aoe gameplay loop and an actual idea what they want the spec to do

outlaw needs to be deleted

[gusty mirage]

the main concern everyone had with the spec tree kinda got sorted with the tier set

the class tree concerns are class wide

[royal lantern]

ye

rogue class tree

LMAO

tfw you put talents in the class tree and never changed them at all for all content because there are 0 options

[gusty mirage]

or when you want to take nimble fingers

but feel guilty removing that 0.6% DR

[royal lantern]

"guilty"

[gusty mirage]

hey man

[royal lantern]

"dr"

[gusty mirage]

that 0.6% could save someone

vs nimble fingers lessening the impact on your dps

[storm belfry]

save me

[supple snow]

what is the lowest number of targets that makes Storm infused out perform freezing ice?

[royal lantern]

oxi, can i sue blizz btw

[gusty mirage]

for what

[royal lantern]

i spend silver on evasion back when i made my Rogue

and now i need to pick it as a talent

they scammed me for 1 or 2 silver

[gusty mirage]

lol

[earnest remnant]

when people wake me up

[gusty mirage]

[runic hinge]

is september over?

[thorn fjord]

I’m people I’m enjoying sub when I usually don’t

[storm belfry]

@gusty mirage @spice spire come on homies where yall at

[glossy galleon]

Do we have a minimum haste? When i sim it wants me to equip a 800 haste 200 mast ring over a crit/mast one, i have basically 0 haste right now with the slimy boots

[royal lantern]

no

stat minimums dont exist

[storm belfry]

secondaries dont exist

[royal lantern]

i mean, yeha

[glossy galleon]

No i mean a minimum that we want to have

Yeah i did notice that secondaries dont really exist too lol

Big ilvl = equip

But rings no primary

[spice spire]

Val off today too

[storm belfry]

mine went off to go see her best friends new baby

[royal lantern]

again: no

[gusty mirage]

grabbing lunch with a friend

[storm belfry]

can you bring me soemthing im hungry sir

[thorn fjord]

Everyones enjoying their day

I'm at work playing Wow

[gusty mirage]

sorry she already eats my fries

[storm belfry]

[gusty mirage]

???

[balmy condor]

As long as she leaves your kidneys alone

[royal lantern]

who wants oxi's kidneys

they are full with stones

[drifting cloud]

whispyr clearly

never hurts to have spares

[balmy condor]

Precious gems

[gusty mirage]

[viscid spear]

I tried putting them into the Onyx Annulet, didn't work

[storm belfry]

[brazen zodiac]

ouch

[keen spruce]

5 days in Vegas too many days

[wild meadow]

anyone know of a macro for mutiliation/ambush that would cast ambush if blindside procs?

[woeful meteor]

!blindside

[prisma monolith]

Ambush/Mutilate Macro:
This should be seen as a "lazy" option, and is not recommended. It can be hard to control and requires a third-party macro addon to expand the games base functionality. We recommend ALWAYS keybinding ambush (either with a modifier, or an entirely different key)
You can macro Ambush to Mutilate using a advanced macro addon.
Further Explanation/Details:
#assassination message

[wild meadow]

ha thanks - tip taken

[royal lantern]

make seperate keybinds

its better

[civic creek]

Interesting how it works, is that change binding of key just in time for the other spell?
Theoretically it can be a way to configure to make all rotation in 1 key?

Press F to win

[serene fossil]

Gse can make that, but its super ehhh

[civic creek]

Fury warriors should be crazy about that

[limber lion]

It just spams between keybinds over and over. Super terrible

It spams between Muti and Ambush, even if you can't use Ambush

So like 30% of the time you're pressing a keybind that does literally nothing

And worse case you spam Ambush, which you can't use, and then stand still for 5s doing nothing

[civic creek]

Basic assa gameplay, no?🤣
Applying rapture and garrotte and look how it ticks 😂

Sarcasm

[clever sapphire]

sounds like something blizzard would say

and argue why assa is the best roguespec if you ahve downtime

[stiff vale]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[strange python]

Vegas is a three day city

Just like Nola

[astral hatch]

!log

[prisma monolith]

Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage

Link: https://wowanalyzer.com/

[outer cairn]

@rocky zodiac !whispyr

gah. where is your plater thing

[rocky zodiac]

👍 ty

[outer cairn]

!plater

its in here somewhere

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/LuxthosRogueDragonflight (Luxthos's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[gaunt moat]

My guild argued with me why sin is good because of dots
I told them the majority of the damage is not from the dots, it's been shifted to melee/mutilate/envenom
Their argument: But other specs don't have ANY damage when they're not on target. so sin is good at downtime.

[gusty mirage]

pivot it into making it so you're free from doing mechanics

[gaunt moat]

I'm looking at whispyr rashok kill vs my wipe at around the same time.
his annulet dealt 1.3m more damage than mine.
how

does zoldyc affect it?

[earnest remnant]

git gud

proc more

[gusty mirage]

try rearranging the stones

people in sub seem to think that matters

[earnest remnant]

[gusty mirage]

(:

[gaunt moat]

no sure if you're trolling or being serious

[earnest remnant]

also have to spin 3 times in your chair before putting them in while yelling SIMSALABIM

[gusty mirage]

see that's where they're fucking up

its SIM SIM SALABIM

two sims

[earnest remnant]

ahh shit

[earnest remnant]

100% serious (we are not) its just rppm, sometimes you win, sometimes you lose

[gaunt moat]

he had like 20 more hits and 8% more crit
kinda huge

that it has such a disparity

[earnest remnant]

had a broodkeeper pull last tier

where i had almost 100% more procs than push

just is what it is

[gaunt moat]

gimme a stat ring that's better 🥲

[gusty mirage]

remember when they wanted it so everyone replaced this piece of shit

eventually?

but then they buffed it to the moon?

[gaunt moat]

I also remember how they said there's gonna be rogue tuning in 10.1.5

they say a lot of weird things

[gusty mirage]

is it 10.1.5 already?

[deft flicker]

It is 30.5 here, still no rogue tuning

[gusty mirage]

[gaunt moat]

playing wow for 20 more expansions

[gusty mirage]

I will attempt to suck my own dick if there's a 30.5

screenshot this

and hmu in like 40 years

[deft flicker]

The reward for 2k mounts is totally worth it tho

[burnt latch]

I started yoga to achieve this

[earnest remnant]

[gaunt moat]

gonna be way sooner
It's all gonna be AI pumping out expansions every 9 months

[burnt latch]

[gusty mirage]

at least it won't be shadowlands

[gusty mirage]

hot

[gaunt moat]

Had two goo attempts on rashok today at 18% with everyone alive.
BOTH TIMES we wiped cause tank didn't bring boss to center

[gusty mirage]

[peak bobcat]

Silly tanks

[drifting cloud]

that sounds made up

considering the 2nd and last intermission the boss is going to be around 30%

[thorn fjord]

I’m invested for the dick sucking now

Can’t ever quit wow

[main vessel]

did someone say

dick sucking

[gusty mirage]

bro?

[main vessel]

yes?

[restive falcon]

what do we wanna craft tomorrow ideally? this is my sim atm, do i craft a helm? or a neck

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/henzXrQtzQ7deLuKVAfhHF

[drifting cloud]

maybe ring

if you play assa no point doing helm

[balmy condor]

have you heard of our lord and savior droptimizer

[drifting cloud]

ring comes with a socket + extra dps gained from swapping back weapon enchants

[woeful meteor]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/nkt8rSgxuwgJLLhHVppvfZ
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7at5aUKeZzMevoS7SPNLus
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/bHbBzuSzJFgoKQafFymUrQ

[restive falcon]

i did drop and it said helm/shoudlers/toxic boots as the best

[keen spruce]

Don’t u already have boots and daggie?

[restive falcon]

but i was gonna maybe craft neck cause i still havent got sky pendant

i dont have crafted dagger, first fault was a 447 wep

[keen spruce]

O nice

[woeful meteor]

depends on what your vault gives aswell

[keen spruce]

Is your toxic patch already on a 447?

[restive falcon]

ye

yea im gonna craft after vault but dunno what to really craft, ik helm is worst stats out of the 4

[gusty mirage]

[restive falcon]

and im still using onyx/seal

cause its still bis i assume till maybe nelth mythic ring

[keen spruce]

If you already have slimeys then just droptomize it. Probably gonna be a bit marginal

[restive falcon]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/nkt8rSgxuwgJLLhHVppvfZ

this is the drop and says to run toxic or craft chest

i feel waste using next spark on 2nd pair of boots imo

[keen spruce]

I dropped annulet and eggnog for 441 rings, they were basically equal

Yeah that’s a feelsbad

But neck is farmable and eventually you’ll go back to lariat iirc

You can get high ilvl tier chest too

[restive falcon]

yea thats why i just dunno lmao, might just craft belt cause wont get till m sark

[drifting cloud]

as I said, youre losing dps from wep enchant to proc seal

so if you craft ring you have to compare the actual gain while also swapping back enchants

[dusty rivet]

General question
do we prefer Sophic Devotion or Shadowflame now?

[keen spruce]

Yeah I didn’t even take a dps loss

Going from eggnog shadowflame to 441 ring and sophic

[restive falcon]

@keen spruce https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/sCduj6Km5kmKyRriD4bvMD

maybe i swap off eggnog then tomorrow depending on vault if i dont get a good ring then

[keen spruce]

Could sit on the spark too

See what drops on the weekly keys and raid first

[restive falcon]

yea the nelth ring is good and could use it instead

gonna see how many assass rogues still use seal

[keen spruce]

Lots

[restive falcon]

i just dunno if i swap then

[tardy oak]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[gusty mirage]

@drifting cloud

😛

[drifting cloud]

do you have a socket?

[gusty mirage]

no

blame fuu for that one

I'm still using a 421 cowl

crafting a helm is 100% better than any other craft

[drifting cloud]

oh well thats different

I got a 421 toxic belt

[balmy condor]

I got depression

[drifting cloud]

you havent raided yet today

[balmy condor]

100% don't recommend crafting a helmet though if you have tier helm

if you have cowl its okay

[restive falcon]

long run we do eventually wanna replace eggnog ring atleast for assass

[balmy condor]

ye

I replaced it this week

[restive falcon]

cause i may craft a ring or just wait till heroic echo and take that ring and use my crafted piece on something else

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2eo58VLEusNVK9X6FyeHTB

since this is what i would do no vault no ring

but maybe vault/raid good

that clears up my question then thanks

[woeful meteor]

can you toxify engi googles?

[gusty mirage]

uh

lemme chekc for you

I'd assume yes

[drifting cloud]

no (I actually have no idea)

[gusty mirage]

because it's not an embellish

[keen spruce]

Patch only goes on leather working

[gusty mirage]

but it's also now a LW item

so

[keen spruce]

Im pretty sure

[gusty mirage]

not*

nope

you cannot

only tinkers

@drifting cloud bless my vault

[woeful meteor]

kk ty guess it doesnt matter until late tier anyway

[drifting cloud]

blessed because no keys are above 20

[gusty mirage]

[drifting cloud]

maybe I should do my 20ur for 1slot even tho not sure if anything even beats a socket

I guess something with a socket included

[gusty mirage]

yeah I did a droptimizer

and 447 shit from vault was like

300 dps

[woeful meteor]

same only good thing is beacon for me

[strange python]

Bomb dispenser and nelth trinket

[earnest remnant]

@balmy condor do you have the sim from yesterday with restealths for assa in dungeon?

[balmy condor]

Not at my pc

I can re-do them at some point

But I doubt they’re even in my history

Would have to actually fish them out of my browser history

And uhh

Not doing that smile

[earnest remnant]

fair

[balmy condor]

It’s a very easy apl edit

You just ctrl+f “=stealth”

And delete the two lines

There’s one in pre-combat and one in actions

[earnest remnant]

tyty

had someone not believe me

so giving him proof so he can shut up

[drifting cloud]

sims are flawed!!

[balmy condor]

Sims aren’t proof

[earnest remnant]

well i hope it will give him an incentive to change his opinion

[balmy condor]

Sims are just suggestions man

Don’t trust them

That’s why we sim our vault every week and spend 6 hours thinking about which 0.1% upgrade is going to be better 7 weeks into the patch

Like I could take an upgrade now

But the spreadsheet says this is bis

So

[steel ridge]

Like the slimy boots that everyone crafted week1 because sims said so

[balmy condor]

Yeh I mean, that’s kinda different

Cause actually every embellishment is just bugged

What can you do

[subtle tundra]

Craft fangs

😊

[shut owl]

crafted them this week and crafted a dagger first hoping that boot sims wouldn't be bugged. oh no my passive damage is slightly less than anticipated

[thick sail]

Is there a simulator other than Simcraft that might work for my assassination rogue?

[balmy condor]

Lmao

[thick sail]

Simcraft still isn't working and I am not sure why, I've even tried unequipping my Onyx Annulet, no dice

[balmy condor]

Good meme

[proven jasper]

so if ive crafted a dagger and slimy boots so far and was planning to do patch this week what is the move for me…

[thick sail]

I am seriously asking, genuinely lol

[balmy condor]

Then no

Simcraft is the only model that exists for any dps spec

[thick sail]

That is... unfortunate lol

I can't figure out what the heck is causing my character to be un-simmable

@balmy condor another question that's been bugging me: if I proc a Poison Bomb, and then Envenom again just a second or two later while the first one is active, do the two poison DOTs stack, or no?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[thick sail]

Also, if I Poison Bomb, and mobs run into the stuff on the ground after the fact, do they take damage, or only if they were in the ground poison the moment I procced it?

[balmy condor]

Usually out of date simc addons or incorrect custom code

[balmy condor]

The first

[thick sail]

Interesting

Last question for the moment:

[balmy condor]

Or if you’re low level I guess it could error out raidbots

I don’t think raidbots supports shadowlands stuff anymore

[thick sail]

I know Crimson Tempest is amazing, but in M+ should I actually be spamming it? If I spam CT, I don't get all the benefits of all the talents that synergize with Envenom and Poison Bomb

[balmy condor]

You maintain envenom and ct

[thick sail]

(I'm low ilev, wearing 4 pieces of s1 tier gear from Dragonflight)

[balmy condor]

What you pick when you have both auras is whatever

[thick sail]

Okay, so if CT is on everything and the Envenom buff is up, I can either CT or Envenom

Doesn't really matter

[balmy condor]

Correct

Poison bombs aoe is significantly smaller though

So keep that in mind

If you have stuff that’s spread

[thick sail]

That's good to know, thanks much

[outer lodge]

Anyone have an empowered garrote wa they are able to share?

[keen spruce]

Did luxthos ever update for sepsis? I normally just yoink those

[balmy condor]

He did yeah

[keen spruce]

Bless

[gaunt moat]

This seems familiar

It's very similar to what happened last tier once everyone got sets

[clever sapphire]

wdym assa rogue is bad in a raid thats mostly ST

we are broken ST spec

numbers are not correct surely

[gaunt moat]

surely

But also these ranking are still really skewed. some bosses have like 1-3 parses from some specs.
and there's zero sin on sarkerath

[keen spruce]

Surely

[gaunt moat]

so frost DK seems busted. but there's only like a few guys playing it.

[clever sapphire]

ah yes, sarkerath will be assa rogues saviour, a bossfight with adds

[keen spruce]

Almost home

Must finish keys before reset.

[gaunt moat]

Literally all comments on wowhead are just hunters begging for buffs

[balmy condor]

You could be the one rogue

Diversify

[gaunt moat]

I don't have to, blizzard promised rogue tuning, so that's definitely happening

[balmy condor]

About as assuredly as you notifying us of weekly wowhead posts regarding raid balance

[steel ridge]

has there actually been tuning since 10.1 dropped?

[balmy condor]

Not rogue wise aside from sepsis hotfix

[flint raptor]

where can i see this notter :)?

[balmy condor]

And the whitelist stuff

[gaunt moat]

wowhead

[steel ridge]

i dont remember much for other classes aswell, feels like the typical heroic week tuning is missing

maybe i just missed it tho

[balmy condor]

I think there were some smaller stuff yeh

[gaunt moat]

last tier tuning came too fast, so it's okay if they take their time

[balmy condor]

It wasn’t a lot

[steel ridge]

awfully quiet rn

rumor already has 10.1.5 in like 2 weeks, which is borderline copium

[gaunt moat]

(or at least. if they wanna tune fast, the they should also react to changes in meta fast)

[balmy condor]

Yeh idk if it’s that close

But they’re releasing a whole ass spec

Can only imagine what that crunch time looks like

[steel ridge]

yeah

[balmy condor]

Especially considering it’s a role that doesn’t exist

Don’t wanna be a part of that headache

[steel ridge]

i think its atleast 4 more weeks

[oak sky]

i say 7-9 weeks after first ptr

[fallen raven]

i think they’re basing that on the distance between 10.0 and 10.0.5 but this patch feels more substantial than that one

[steel ridge]

nah they are basing it on the catalyst release

but thats somewhat farfetched idk

[fallen raven]

yeah i can’t see why they’d be tied

[steel ridge]

because they recently added it to the 10.1.5 PTR

but why wouldnt they, it will be active once it goes live

well lets see if theres some notes tonight

[grim jay]

I mean its weird they decided to go that route anyways

And gz

[balmy condor]

Ty

[balmy condor]

Idk I kinda understand it

It opens up a lot of design space if it works

Tinker class, support mage

Gives a lot of room to grow the idea out

[steel ridge]

true

having a distinct support role thats 50% dps 50% something else fits other classes aswell

[grim jay]

Yeah if it works. Its a big task considering people dont like PI that much already and there will kinda be individual stuff like that

[oak sky]

most of its buffs are vers and primary stat which would be really easy to track

but that cdr thing

[steel ridge]

idk, people disliking PI are mostly Log-Hogs.

[oak sky]

what about classes that feel worse when you dont have pi

and are balanced around having pi

[grim jay]

First of all, there is nothing wrong with having fun parsing high, dunno where that shit is coming from lately

[balmy condor]

Okay AgreonLock calm down

I’m the purple one here

[oak sky]

but also the idea that everything has to cater to parsers limits blizz design space

[steel ridge]

Whispyr Warlockmain confirmed

[oak sky]

devils advocate i dont really care what they do about pi

[balmy condor]

I mean you could advocate for something better than warlock brain mush about 20% haste being the make or break of how the spec plays

Devils advocate is fine, but like

At least make realistic arguments

[grim jay]

Dunno I like the idea of actually doing stuff on your own instead of automatically being X better because someone clicked a spell on you
I'd be fine with augmentation having actual buffs/spells that count for their damage dealt and healing done

Or raidwide buffs, which would be a pain to balance unless you do stuff like x amount if its 5 or less people and y on more

[hallow sonnet]

Pretty sure this is because they went from HC logs to Mythic logs in their comparisons without making that super clear

[grim jay]

Well actually it wouldnt be much of a pain considering some trinkets work that way

[gaunt moat]

Same.
Be8ng able to qantify how you, your spec, your class, other classes perform in a mostly objective manner is what I like about the game.
Even with PI we're still able to seperate those logs.

I do hope they manage to find a good solution.
But it sounds like an impossible problem.

[gaunt moat]

That's also true

[oak sky]

i mostly understand blizzards game design argument honestly

like kinda fuck it we ball

just dont overdo it

but like i really dont care either way

esp now im just kinda vibing in wow

[gaunt moat]

I hope it won't come to "wow this guy did 10k more than me"
And then I check his log and he had multiple CDRs

[grim jay]

And stat buffs

[balmy condor]

[oak sky]

cant wait for the rogue changes tomorrow so i can pre prep my rogue to actually play the game again

[hallow sonnet]

It does feel a bit weird to not implement something that would be cool and enjoyable and change up dynamics in favor for external dps rank focus. Especially when the dps parsing kind of often detracts from optimizing the raids success chance and makes people take bad decisions

[steel ridge]

you mean on friday, when you can play D4 rogue

[oak sky]

ya i dont play d4

its wow or fps

[steel ridge]

i am too old for fps

[oak sky]

im too young for wow

[steel ridge]

dont like getting my ass kicked by 14 year olds with hyperreactions

[fallen raven]

yeah i think these are probably good baby steps towards hopefully breaking that kind of mindset, it’s at least a bold move after seeing the myriad reactions to PI to go “okay more externals” so i hope they’ve got more in mind long term

[gaunt moat]

That's one way to look at it.
But you could also argue that it leads you to optimize your play to squeeze the most out of your character.

Right now I'm very neutral about augmentor

[civic creek]

Hi, what do you think or might be you know is there any possible changes in the future for our honey assassin ❤️ (the best rogue spec) during incoming 1.0.5

??

[oak sky]

maybe

[gaunt moat]

They've mentioned half a year ago they want to make changes to exsang.
Other than that we can't say

[grim jay]

Well thats the one negative aspect and its about the character of the "user". You can parse 99s without hindering your raid with playing in a suboptimal way in regards of the groups progress tbh

[civic creek]

I tried to find, but as usually, you know, when you have a hope to get boe, all what you get is a stone. The same thing with news about assa

[oak sky]

i mean you're conveniently ignoring that they did say that we're supposed to get changes this patch

[gaunt moat]

He asked what they might be

[grim jay]

I honestly would be a bit surprised if its anything of the stuff that got cooked up

They went a different route on mage aswell

Which isnt necessarily bad, I think the mage ones are awesome, time anomaly still not a separate Button aside

Kinda looking forward to it without expecting anything. Dont understand people getting worked up about there not being qny changes so far, its not like the patch is around the corner realistically

[royal lantern]

rune of power gone alone is a +30 for mage lol

they could have said "rune of power removed, general dmg increased by X%" and it would have been a big W for mage

[grim jay]

Well its a bit unlucky how they compensated that damage-wise, but that aside yes

Its a really big win

[half tapir]

Its probably on here somewhere already but I can't seem to find it. Is sepsis better than bone spike now?