assassination

[oak sky]

and im sure you pushed higher than i did

kinda quit halfway in the season and i never really get too too high

[sweet dawn]

And for poison bomb stonks

[vapid sierra]

does it matter if i potion>dm or dm>potion

[balmy condor]

not at all

[main vessel]

Does it matter what my moon rising is for playing Assassination?

[royal lantern]

mate, its week3 of the season and i did a single 20 key and dont wanna do more

with 2,6k score

like

dont see any reason, fuck m+

[balmy condor]

about as much as your haste %

[oak cypress]

Am I missing something with the bomb in AoE? It’s only a chance to proc on envenom right? So I thought CT would be better?

[oak sky]

Im talking to flawless about s4 tho

[balmy condor]

poison bomb does good aoe

[vapid sierra]

if my garrote is at like 2/3 seconds and i dm vanish

would it be worth to dm>vanish>garrote>spend>garrote again to get it to 23 seconds?

[oak cypress]

So, I’m sorry if I’m just blind and missing it in the guide you wrote how do we know when to fish for bomb procs or to go for just CT usage?

[balmy condor]

you don't

it's just off feel

envenom is more prio damage

poison bomb is smaller than CT

you have to pick depending on the situation

at minimum you maintain envenom and maintain CT

what you do from there is whatever

[oak cypress]

Ok thank you, so it’s something I’ll just feel out based on dungeons, what’s been pulled etc

[balmy condor]

yeh

[vapid sierra]

typically bomb if its like 5/6 targets that are grouped

anything higher than that or spread id ct

thats just me tho, dont know how it translates to sims

[balmy condor]

I mean it makes little sense

poison bomb and ct keep up in damage with each other

trying to reduce it to a target count is just silly

[oak cypress]

Just going for bomb let’s you able to pump envenom into say a warscourge or something in BH

[balmy condor]

yep

[oak cypress]

Much appreciated whispyr coming back to sin haven’t really messed with it since start of DF before they did the talent tree changes

[balmy condor]

yeh np

our aoe is a disaster

aside from "maintain everything" you can kind of just hit whatever you want

and the rules on it are either too difficult to execute

or not important enough

[oak cypress]

Yeah I feel that I just can’t do sub or outlaw, and I need an alt to mess around with now a sin has always been fun for me so 🤷

[gaunt moat]

Also, if you're doing m+, this week in particular is horrendous as assassination.

[balmy condor]

is it

what's so bad about incorporeal

[gaunt moat]

nice meme. i meant spiteful.

[balmy condor]

it's not a meme

spiteful isn't an issue

we've had plenty of spiteful weeks

[gaunt moat]

A lot of our damage and utility come from stealth, not being able to stealth hurt a lot.

[balmy condor]

ah

this argument

[runic hinge]

just play nelf

[gaunt moat]

switch race for a week 🥲

[runic hinge]

switch race for life

[balmy condor]

or

just accept the fact that your restealths aren't really that important

cause like

it doesn't

[gaunt moat]

When I look at my overall damage, i see it significantly lower on spiteful weeks where i can't restealth
You can make the argument i'm just a shit player
but since it's only spiteful weeks, i would say it's more likely that stealth does, in fact, matter.

[balmy condor]

or you're a shit player that can't handle spiteful weeks

that's also an option

[gaunt moat]

yes that's always an option

[balmy condor]

spiteful weeks should be increasing your dps

not decreasing

the only way it wouldn't be increasing would be if you went afk when spitefuls spawned trying to kite them while waiting for the tank to give you a restealth

chain pulls are dps gains

even for assassination

having more targets to hit for longer

is a dps gain

taking energy from spitefuls into the next pack

is a dps gain

[gaunt moat]

maybe when the chain pulls are when previous pack is still healthy. and not when you're hunted by 2 ghosts.

otherwise, your carnage is just wasted

on ghosts and targets that will die in a few seconds

[balmy condor]

why are we using carnage on spitefuls

[gaunt moat]

ah so you meant to start doing AoE after targets are already dead, yet somehow the ghosts are dps increase

[balmy condor]

what

can you point me to where I said that carnage is our aoe

or where I mentioned carnage at all

what are you on about

[gaunt moat]

You didn't, i'm saying that.
That's our big AoE CD

that in conjuction with stealth does a lot of damage

[balmy condor]

I don't think I have to explain to you that "big" is a very relative term here right

you can do aoe without carnage

[gaunt moat]

^

[balmy condor]

rotationally yes

read the context of the conversation

[gaunt moat]

It's not only rotationally though. the output is pretty garbage too unless we have the right conditions.

[versed mica]

what's going on round here

[balmy condor]

okay, this isn't going anywhere, let me try a different approach

we agree that sub is better than assassination in m+, yes?

[gaunt moat]

yes

[balmy condor]

okay

one second

so dungeonslice, which is the model we use currently for m+, conveniently has re-stealths built in. If the APL is told to not stealth, it won't stealth. Not before combat with the boss, nor with any of the add packs

this is removing all triggers for stealth

and just letting the sim run up to the pack and hit it

no spitefuls to pad on

no energy refreshes from rupture sniping them

just raw, no stealths

you unbound the button, did not use it

I make emphasis of that

because if assassination gains such an insane amount from re-stealthing because our main cooldown is so super reliant on the fact that we get a stealth

1.9% is quite low I think

but hilariously enough

sub is actually worse

a bit weird

that our main cooldown

is apparently such a required re-stealth machine

but we lose practically nothing

I ain't done though, cause if restealths are really such a huge concern and you're afraid that you're getting none at all, the thought might cross your mind to swap into sepsis instead of shrouded suffocation

[gaunt moat]

I don't know does dungeon slice compares to actual real life and chain pulling (how many targets are hit by carnage each time etc.)
And i never said sub is not affected by that either. but obviously sub does a lot better out of the gate.

[balmy condor]

however sepsis swapping, actually a reasonable idea

that loses actually nothing

you could go the entire time

not hitting your stealth

and do practically the same thing

[balmy condor]

I don't know does dungeon slice compares to actual real life and chain pulling
An excellent question, let's dive into that then, since m+ logs exist

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/bqytRG9xTZ7XWpBd#fight=73&type=casts&source=769&translate=true

here's a log of a high neltharuus

22 stealths in 32 minutes

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/czKkF6JHTmj1bY8X#fight=1&type=casts&source=4

this one is assassination

22 restealths in 33 minutes

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/VdHvAYfwnzgPbpt3#fight=9&type=casts&source=425

this outlaw one had 17 in 27

so that's around a 2:3 ratio

in terms of stealths/minutes

dungeonslice is a 6 minute sim on average

so we should see 4 stealths

but it's almost 7

even if you count the stealth at the start against the boss

you're still at almost 6

so dungeonslice is actually getting more restealths than a normal player would

but that was only one part of the equation right

cause there's chain pulls

dungeonslice conveniently also handles those

if you know how dungeonslice is set up

you know that it's alternating "big adds" and "small adds"

here for example it's a pack of small adds

and then a restealth at the end of the pack

going into the next one

[gaunt moat]

hold up. you wanna look at logs right?

[gaunt moat]

so that log you've shown me of assassination

in halls of infusiuon

[balmy condor]

sometimes however, you can see big add and small add

together

[gaunt moat]

He sat at 105kDPS
the BEST logs from this week (mind you, with even better gear)
are at 85K DPS

at halls

and you know something? thatg's almost exactly the disparity i'm seeing with my DPS as well

[balmy condor]

I don't really want to look at anything tbh, I want to change the outdated views of many years that the community has held about restealths being important

that's what I've been fighting for many years now

over many expansions

[balmy condor]

have you considered that this week isn't a fortified week

or did that slip your mind conveniently

[versed mica]

Do it again but with outlaw now, I'm curious lol

[idle light]

having a tank wait for my restealths slows down a key

[balmy condor]

it 100% does

[idle light]

last season my group gained 3 minutes of time in a dungeon just by chain pulling

[gaunt moat]

no one argues against that

[idle light]

i didn't lose dps because of it

i gained a ton

[balmy condor]

I can, but when I've done this same thing in the past with outlaw weird shit happened cause outlaw is very touchy about it

dance timings and vanish being on cooldown more cause it's a short cooldown

lot of dumb shit with that spec

if they play cto stealths are really important, if they don't then stealths can be dps losses

it's just all weird

[gaunt moat]

The context is spiteful, not just chain pulling

[idle light]

okay, spiteful is a dps increase

[balmy condor]

spiteful and chain pulling are the same thing

[royal lantern]

outlaw in a nutshell

[balmy condor]

at a basic level they do the same thing

they keep you in combat with the previous pack

which dies shortly after

[idle light]

i think i was the only n/a high sin rogue m+ pusher, and i loved spiteful weeks cause it made my numbers huge

[versed mica]

That's hilariously fascinating. I'm assuming it really doesn't matter much, seeing how vanish has lower cds anyway. I am often stuck in combat because of incorp and shades but I don't see any difference in my damage

[balmy condor]

in terms of your restealths and the damage you gain or lose, they are interchangable

[balmy condor]

yeah see what I mean

with the outlaw profile I have for dslice

stealths are a loss

[versed mica]

[balmy condor]

cause jank

[versed mica]

That's so fucking funny

[balmy condor]

that's running this

[royal lantern]

just confirming once again that outlaw is fury warrior for edgelords and not actually a rogue

[versed mica]

Nah it just confirms that sin rogues are still stuck on "muh restealths" to the point that any deviation from the norm causes y'all to single out outlaw as "not a real rogue"

[balmy condor]

fort spiteful weeks are such cranker weeks

[royal lantern]

yahtze Pirate detected

[balmy condor]

its crazy

[versed mica]

Do you want to hear my roll the poisons idea again? I'll send it as a suggestion to the devs

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/water-spray-stop-sprinkle-water-gif-11895255

[versed mica]

I'll fuckin press submit bro

[royal lantern]

only if you also send them the sub exclusive shadow roll

[gusty mirage]

aren't you outlaw rogues busy crying about the grand melee buff?

[versed mica]

I actually like the grand melee buff

[gusty mirage]

yeah because you have a brain

[balmy condor]

but does the grand melee buff make restealths important

[versed mica]

Imagine crying over pressing snd 3 or 4 times over an entire fight

[versed mica]

I'm tired I actually tried to determine what you meant by this LMAO

[balmy condor]

aighty been fun

I have more maplestory weeklies to grind

remember to exsang your DM's in m+ for the content

[royal lantern]

what if the GM change is the first step for a SnD removal (again, until they add it back in 2expansions)

[spice spire]

[versed mica]

I like snd for the simple fact that it speeds up the rotation from the extra energy procs

If they increase the energy gains in compensation idc

[royal lantern]

you mean like how the game was before we got SnD added back in for no reason?

🙂

[spice spire]

Me, an assassination beta: snd is a useless button and adds to bloat.
You, a chad outlaw: haha buttons go brrr

[versed mica]

I don't think it was, at least for outlaw, but I may be wrong

I like snd on sin bc I feel like I'm stabbing FAST

[gusty mirage]

people hate snd because it's "boring"

I've yet to hear a reason for hating snd besides "it's boring"

[royal lantern]

man oxi

how many snd wall of texts did i do

[gusty mirage]

I stopped reading them months ago brother

[royal lantern]

its 6am and i didnt go to bed yet

[gusty mirage]

ily

but god damn

[royal lantern]

i dont wanna

[gaunt moat]

They will not understand our plight

[gusty mirage]

I guess not

idk

ever since they reintroduced snd

any qualms I had about snd dissipated

[versed mica]

People only hate snd if they are newer WoW players

[royal lantern]

what

[versed mica]

They don't understand that sigma vanilla grindset brothers

[gusty mirage]

it's actually the people who've been playing for ages

[royal lantern]

SnD was hated in old woe aswell the fuck

[gusty mirage]

but not old enough to be as dinosaur as me and seli

[versed mica]

How

[gaunt moat]

i've been playing since open beta O_o

[royal lantern]

like mate

people asked for SnD to be removed since TBC

until blizz did it

[versed mica]

How do you not hate rogue

[royal lantern]

and then added it back in during SL

[versed mica]

[gusty mirage]

dw we're also getting those crimson vial buffs

any day now

[versed mica]

I'm more mad about vial nerfs than anything to do with snd

[royal lantern]

thats enough bad takes from people for 1day

[gaunt moat]

SnD is back but not really since we got CTTC, so they don't actually want it to be part of the rotation.
it's just weird.

[versed mica]

God I wish I could replace an envenom with a snd

[gaunt moat]

that's the worst take you could possibly get from what i said

[versed mica]

Somehow your opinion doesn't bother me in the slightest

[gaunt moat]

https://tenor.com/view/badass-watch-out-neilde-grasse-tyson-out-gif-5219598

[royal lantern]

then....dont take the talent.....?

like, what is that take now

[versed mica]

Notter looking up a meme to respond to me

[gaunt moat]

pretty accurate

[versed mica]

Why would I not take a talent that is a DPS increase

[royal lantern]

cttc is a dps down

like

mate

are you legit just trolling rn, or just clueless

[versed mica]

Wait, is it?

Time to swap to sin baybeeeee

I don't pay attention to sin as much as outlaw lmao

[royal lantern]

better let it stay that way

[misty holly]

Restealths feel even more important on a week like this where I don't get them often, and trash pulls die faster than IC coolsdown.

It always sucks when you kill a pack in 30 seconds and dont have IC for the next one, but also not having triple garrotte because you dont get a restealth is painful

And then you have the dilema of the pack is half dead when IC comes off cooldown

do you use it now, or save for the next pack

Usually I save unless the current pull is giving problems

But its just all annoying

[balmy condor]

I mean I get that you feel like that

when you've been trained that something is good

and it's taken away

it doesn't feel good

but the fact remains that it doesn't impact damage as much as people like to believe it does

[gusty mirage]

CTTC came back after 4 months of assassination being unplayable

it was spinning plates repeatedly

[gaunt moat]

The right move would be to remove SnD and make it baseline imo

[gusty mirage]

where keeping up everything required you to never miss a global

[gaunt moat]

or at least make CTTC do it

[versed mica]

To chime in, there have been times where I have gotten my multiple empowered garrotes out, a few ruptures out, and have instantly died, and my damage is shite. There's way more to sin's damage profile than empowered garrotes

It's a decent chunk, but constant repulls are just better

[balmy condor]

loser

[versed mica]

It's what I get when playing sin bro my brain instantly becomes dead

[balmy condor]

the brain porridge

unfortunate

[balmy condor]

https://tenor.com/view/soup-soup-time-good-soup-good-soup-gif-thats-good-soup-gif-23862078

also god damn we really went from m+ restealths to snd

sins greatest hits

[runic hinge]

I like restealthing because it’s class fantasy

[balmy condor]

I wish restealths were important

cause I like the fantasy too

but I think without having some crazy shit like legion shoulders or something

its just not happening

putting that much power back into stealth breaks things in other places

makes it really difficult for anything else to be the focal point

[gaunt moat]

if anything, i'd personally would have liked sin to move away from stealth
Let that be Subtelty's domain.

But obviously, that would require a major rework. and that ain't happening.

[oak sky]

Sub is literally built around an ability that gives them stealth ability access

Sin just does a stealth thing every 2 minutes

[tranquil imp]

Spec identity I guess would be poisons, but we really don't do much with them, aside from throw them on.

[oak sky]

Its poisons+bleeds

[tranquil imp]

I feel like whenever I do M+ they never like to pull the i mobs it would take for me to cap my Carnage, and then it might be up by the next pull, so maybe my thing would be if they could lower the cd so it fit into every pull they would be a good quality of life fix.

[hushed sparrow]

I mean honestly them just cutting 15s off it cd would be a god send

[tranquil imp]

It bothers me even doing fights like frog in HoI and not having it up for every frog spawn.

[violet jackal]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[sharp viper]

imagine an ability that spreads both of your dots to 8 targets every 20 seconds... oh wait that's shadowcrash

[ornate aspen]

Sin definitely feels like a broke dick spec and it's big sad

10.1.5 will be the glorious return...right?

[arctic current]

Mfd doesn't work on totems.. 😦

[tranquil imp]

I am curious how the new evoker spec is going to turn out.

[gaunt moat]

Currently on PTR augmentor targets the 4 closest targets.
so uh, rip melee

[tranquil imp]

I don't think I could roll evoker if I tried because I dont want to be a dragon.

I am glad atleast Sin performs well in ST.

[limber lion]

That's close to something some people were hoping for before DF, where Shiv would spread bleeds from one target to all other targets around it.

But it's honestly kinda difficult finding a solution that wouldn't promote degen fok/ct fok/env spam

After all it's a dot spec and spreading the dots and keeping track of them in aoe has been one of the harder parts of playing assa in previous expansions

[misty holly]

At that point why not just have it be a passive? Or a toggle.

Which would totally be fine honestly. I don't think passive IC suddenly makes assassination op in dungeons. So why not the qol.

[arctic current]

not much tracking now though when IC just auto dots everything

[ancient rain]

today is assa rework announcement, are you excited guys?

[fleet pagoda]

on a sunday?

[misty holly]

They saved it for a day when no one would expect it. A very rogue thing to do.

[hushed sparrow]

I mean fair, but I only really suggested cause of other classes got similar change for their AoE toolkit (namely spriest with Shadow crash becoming 20s instead of 30s, but losing all of its dmg basically)

Same target count, applies both of its main dots etc. only difference is the travel time

[spice spire]

There’s not enough copium in the world for this one chief

[craggy oak]

IC seems super cool but makes the spec super snooze in aoe, reducing the cd makes it even more so, nice qol, but in the long run idk, rework IC to be a more impactful cd and bring back multi dotting, just need that sin re work at some point

[frigid kestrel]

Make IC passive and replace that node with EB

[drifting cosmos]

should do something similar like SP rework, it felt nice

and dmg ramps up a lot faster

one day

[grim jay]

https://tenor.com/view/desmondpacito-cooking-chef-gif-12378159

[subtle tundra]

Lol

Assa chat has the worst ideas ever

Nothing new

[ruby rover]

Any talent builds people are enjoying for tyrannical weeks? IC seems overboard, but CT feels mandatory, something like AP+DTB?

[oak sky]

30s ic

[toxic night]

for real ??

[blazing jewel]

[viscid spear]

[toxic night]

[clever sapphire]

You could sim it and see if ap+dtb does more ST. But you will be even weaker in trash pulls because you have to manually dot up

[royal lantern]

"you can do X but will be even weaker for Y then" sums up assa quiet good

[clever sapphire]

Yep sadly

And than there is warrior

[ruby rover]

Yeah I'm gonna be half-assing something, feelcraft tells me with AP and CT I can at least dot everything and kill a priority target, but I thought maybe there was some good clear choice I was missing

[grim jay]

I always wonder if people that wanna opt out of any meaningful aoe remember that you pull bigger on tyrannical

[ruby rover]

Bigger but with shorter kill times per mob, and so less value from dots and beyond 8 targets, no?

[grim jay]

I mean I guess it depends on key level

but on 20+ mobs dont magically disappear just because its tyrannical

[royal lantern]

people dont know that lol

[ruby rover]

Fair enough, I have a bad sense for trash vs boss damage this season as I'm still in lowish keys, but perhaps ST is still a trap.

[grim jay]

I mean its been like that last season aswell

and you arent the only person

ST is pretty important no matter if tyrannical or fortified

and so is AoE

[gaunt moat]

Wish rogue had a spec that's good at both

[grim jay]

wish rogue had a spec thats as good at st as arcane

so you can just st your way

through

[subtle tundra]

Yea a spec that doesn't sacrifice anything for st..

That can do good aoe...

[gaunt moat]

imagine that

[grim jay]

anything is kinda a stretch

now atleast

if you are talking ST -> m+

[gaunt moat]

how much does outlaw sacrifices actually?

[grim jay]

oh you mean outlaw

do people play that in m+?

[gaunt moat]

i meant sub, but i'm wondering about outlaw

as in, is sin the only spec that gets like -14% ST for some aoe.

[grim jay]

I mean you could argue about braincells

as for damage, I dont know

[grim jay]

since you play a few different talents on sub you lose like 11-13k aswell

depending on stats

from st -> m+

[gaunt moat]

I'm not talking 14k, i'm talking 14% for sin

[raw tusk]

Subs st in m+ spec is good so it’s not a bad balance. Also it’s like 4 buttons lol

[gaunt moat]

it's like 30ish k last time i tested

[grim jay]

yeah well its like 12% for sub

so

I would need to check with more crit vers currently, but if you run mostly crit mastery for m+ its like 12% ST build vs M+ build

[raw tusk]

I only have like a 6k diff between m+ st dps and st spec dps

[grim jay]

well difference in gear I guess

even tho its a weirdly high difference

[simple gulch]

Why are toxic boots better than slimy for sin?

[woeful meteor]

The haste loss is bad, but the loss in dmg from healing for toxic thorn isnt reproduced in sims so its hard to tell how much better they actually are

[frigid kestrel]

Legit was just trolling, I don’t care what happens to sin as long as it’s not beginning of Castle Nath bad

[scenic sapphire]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[serene fossil]

Its actually pretty much fixed in sims now, toxic vs slimy dropped from toxics being 2% better (for me at least) to 0.8%, others have reported neutral instead of 1.5% better 🙂, id recommend resimming real quick since it was sometime yday night it was adjusted

[sudden nacelle]

hey guys, is there a way to get ambush and mutilate on the same macro? just make blindside procs easier

or is that not possible

[clever sapphire]

nope

[woeful meteor]

!blindside

[prisma monolith]

Ambush/Mutilate Macro:
This should be seen as a "lazy" option, and is not recommended. It can be hard to control and requires a third-party macro addon to expand the games base functionality. We recommend ALWAYS keybinding ambush (either with a modifier, or an entirely different key)
You can macro Ambush to Mutilate using a advanced macro addon.
Further Explanation/Details:
#assassination message

[woeful meteor]

ok nice didnt see that toxic is only 0.4 for me now

[fleet pagoda]

i'm simming a bit higher with the sim/boots fix with the Latest version than I was before. shouldn't that have been a loss instead? or was there some other significant fixes going on?

[gusty mirage]

sepsis apl changes are in

so if you were simming sbs vs bebsis earlier w/o the custom apl

[fleet pagoda]

oh derp, i see it in the pins now, thank you ❤️

[gusty mirage]

you'll notice a jump up in damooj

[wraith cosmos]

so point of sepsis is just reapplying improved garrote right?

[woeful meteor]

yes

[proper tapir]

I mean, it also hits as hard as 4 envenoms and you can juice it up with shiv in the last 8 secs

[wraith cosmos]

Was wondering more about the proc usage

Idk if its better to vanish for deathmark then sepsis with shiv during the 4piece buff

[hallow gyro]

Hello Guys. Whsat it our 2nd and 3rd best trinket for ST? Bloodmallet say Irideus Fragment is 2nd but sims so low...?!

[woeful meteor]

Irideus, Beacon, Bomb

Irideus gets carried by exsang

[wraith cosmos]

I use iridious and harlan rn caude no beacon bomb

[hallow gyro]

thx

[wraith cosmos]

Irideous not worth without exang?

[woeful meteor]

Idk sim for yourself Iridues just gets a lot of value from having another CD that you use it with

[clever sapphire]

wasnt irideus oversimming?

i thought harlan is kinda on par with it currently after the sim fixis

[woeful meteor]

last time I checked fragment was still winning for me

resimmed still does only by 120 dps tho

[lime light]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[gusty mirage]

it's oversimming a bit, but still good

[toxic night]

did they ditch this ?

[deft flicker]

Not yet

[minor gate]

probably

[deft flicker]

At least they never confirmed dropping the idea. Nor did they confirm a rework/replacement

[toxic night]

exanguinhate 🤣 🤣 🤣

[proper tapir]

That gets tricky with kill times, we've generally been holding Vanish for the 2min DM after the Sepsis Garrote.

[violet jackal]

what's everyone crafting tuesday?

[clever sapphire]

nothing because my reset is on wednesday

[violet jackal]

next reset*

[royal lantern]

wrist

worst slot+need a patch slot

[clever sapphire]

boots to max ilvl

already have patch on max ilvl

maybe crafting the toxic boots now that its better than slimy

[violet jackal]

toxic patch doubles the haste lost right? if you have slimy expulsion boots

[austere fulcrum]

That exactly me atm

[clever sapphire]

my slimy shoes are with last seasons spark and thingy on 421

so luckily i didnt waste a spark from this season on slimy

[austere fulcrum]

Same ad me xd

I crafted my wrist with ptch cuz it was so low lvl

And used S1 spark for boots,

Now guess what happened:)))

[clever sapphire]

ye we are both smart, used the useless spark for the boots

now we have good spark for better boots

[royal lantern]

i mean

still want patch first

[wraith cosmos]

probably a 447 weapon

[clever sapphire]

i crafted patch max ilvl with my second spark

[wraith cosmos]

since i have toxic and patch

[royal lantern]

went weapon->boots

[wraith cosmos]

does patch's ilvl matter?

[clever sapphire]

my craft order was weapon then patch and now its boots

[wraith cosmos]

i got lucky and got a hellsteel from kazzara heroic early, so i skipped weapon in favor of embelishments

[clever sapphire]

dunno 447 weapon is pog so i cafted that first

knowing im not gonna kill sarkareth mythic

[wraith cosmos]

i mean eventually prob most people will craft one

[violet jackal]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2EJjyTThKHCQgiBzHroTHM
assuming this is right looks like i'm looking at a toxic patch next week

[pseudo hamlet]

according to my sims 437 beacon and bomber > 441 Irideus

[gusty mirage]

can't wait for people to tilt when their recuperate talent eats damage procs

[storm belfry]

[thin gate]

sbs over sepsis @ experiments?

[balmy condor]

Nah

[storm forum]

Whoa did you get a promotion?

[peak bobcat]

Slimy enjoyers

[royal lantern]

wooooooo

whisp climbing

[storm forum]

Wowee

[royal lantern]

shienar aswell

now i can ping shadows

[gusty mirage]

ye a few of them did

[balmy condor]

[storm forum]

I can't wait for Whispyr to ban me

[gusty mirage]

now that you're my supervisor again

[balmy condor]

Soupervisor?

[viscid spear]

You're a dog, you can't see color!

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-soup-gif-22632572

soup?

[storm forum]

Soup or Viser

[gusty mirage]

YES SIR

[storm forum]

I can see announcement pings

[viscid spear]

Wouldn't oxi be the Sue-pervisor?

[gusty mirage]

no

[viscid spear]

Lawyer joke failed

[storm forum]

Idk what a lawyer is I thought oxi's real name was Sue

[gusty mirage]

just like my enjoyment in my career

[viscid spear]

A boy named Sue

[storm forum]

Idk, oxi seems gender neutral enough

[balmy condor]

My bf’s name is oxi and my gf’s bird is also named oxi

It’s a weird coincidence

[storm forum]

Wowee

Not how I expected to learn about Whispyr's love life today

[viscid spear]

Calm down there, Billy Mays

[storm forum]

I thought this was about opioids

[viscid spear]

That was a given, it's actually about promotions and birds or something

[thin gate]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[runic hinge]

My gf's bird is named Stuart, also graztz on purple

[balmy condor]

Ty

[royal lantern]

so you are a boy kisser?

[balmy condor]

I could be

[storm forum]

Like whispyr and his gf do a lot of oxicodone

[misty holly]

That's why I just don't talent recuperate.

[hallow sonnet]

Does it even without btw

[gusty mirage]

interesting

[balmy condor]

Wait a minute

[gusty mirage]

and how do you plan on playing ER?

[hallow sonnet]

SnD just coded like it

[gusty mirage]

wait it eats procs even w/o recoup?

[hallow sonnet]

as it it casts a HoT each 2 sec

[gusty mirage]

🍝

[fringe spear]

Yea it does a 0 healing hot, and the talent makes it do healing

[vestal wren]

it is likely a artifact from wod

[toxic night]

assa rogue is gonna be s+ after the rework

[clever sapphire]

ass+*

probably broken in pvp, get nerfed to hell in pve for that

[royal lantern]

you realise that you cant avoid recup right

[spice spire]

I remember

https://tenor.com/view/vietnam-cats-flashback-gif-10819307

[subtle tundra]

yall really think we're getting a rework

massive copers

[cerulean walrus]

Fr what the

Actual spaghetti code

[shrewd night]

[limber lion]

Hi cutie

[royal lantern]

big rogue changes incomming!!!

Assassination: Rupture and Crimson Tempest dmg increased by 5%, Scent of Blood Gives 1% more Agility for each stack

"we felt like as if Assassination was struggeling in AoE situations, and do these changes to help it a bit"

[subtle tundra]

i dont know if youre trolling or not

it feels like its something they would do

[royal lantern]

i know

[lean fossil]

why you lying and getting my hopes up?! i had to legit check wowhead to see if there was a post lol

[subtle tundra]

too bad even if we had competitive aoe

it would mean nothing ;3

we have 0 st

even sub st falls behind compared to the good specs

[royal lantern]

mate, it would be the biggest blizz "fix" possible

[lean fossil]

im just hoping for some sort of rework/tuning to make our aoe better, idc how big or small the rework/tuning would be lol

[misty holly]

Are you telling me I have to take SnD off the bars then? I'll do it!

[compact carbon]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[midnight atlas]

i got cramps in my right thumb since i put both shuriken storm and black powder on mouse buttons .

aoe for sin is fun but ramping is not efficient

[storm onyx]

I hope they remove that thing and we are saved automatically

[gaunt moat]

@shrewd night @balmy condor
Congratulations and goodluck!

[shrewd night]

Hey handsome

[balmy condor]

thank you!

[clever sapphire]

i put it on my mouse wheel up, and made it a cast order macro for shuriken storm/bp

so in aoe im just rolling my mouse wheel xD

[clever sapphire]

do we have to add honorifics in chat when addressing you?

[spare narwhal]

!whysper

!Whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[midnight atlas]

https://tenor.com/view/mouse-gif-21231018

[balmy condor]

this just gave me PTSD I had someone dm me randomly and was unsure how to address me because the whole ya know, so I made a joke that they should address me as "Queen Whispyr von Roguestein"

and the rest of the conversation

[drifting cloud]

slay queen

[balmy condor]

they said "my queen"

it was

very cringe

[clever sapphire]

xD

[earnest remnant]

got what you asked for

[haughty flicker]

well now we all have to say it

[earnest remnant]

muh queen

[clever sapphire]

im gonna just call you by the misstyped !whispyr commands

[balmy condor]

I didn't have the heart to tell him

[clever sapphire]

or even better, "Mr Queen Whispyr von Roguestein"

[balmy condor]

now that's a banger

[cerulean walrus]

!wisper

[versed mica]

Wait, what happened with Whispyr and Koffing?

[deft flicker]

They got purped

[versed mica]

Oh

Tbh I have no idea what that means but purple is my favorite color so congrats kings

[pure moth]

And ronkley.

[royal lantern]

they both stop playing wow now

tragic

[spice spire]

Slay, Queen

[versed mica]

Purple name means they aren't playing WoW? Sadge man

[spice spire]

I’m actually replacing whispyr in his guild

Since the promotion

[clever sapphire]

it meanst they are playing blizzards favorite class now, warlock

[gaunt moat]

no, but you need to tag him everytime you shiv

[versed mica]

You know that ain't true, you know their favs are warrior and mage

[clever sapphire]

time to write a macro that messages him every time i press my shiv keybind

ingame, dm, and tags him on all 3 discord channels

sounds good right?

[versed mica]

Might get shiv'd irl if you do that but probably worth

[balmy condor]

what non-rogue flavor are you playing right now

[spice spire]

Bdk

[versed mica]

How
Bdk talent tree is in shambles lmao

[spice spire]

Yeah :^)

But it’s also fitting for his guild

[versed mica]

Is his guild called "The nonMetas"?

[balmy condor]

we have 2 bdk theorycrafters

[spice spire]

That’s the joke pal

Im also dog shit

[gusty mirage]

speaking of dogshit

[versed mica]

Your PFP suddenly makes sense

[gusty mirage]

come do these 14s

idiot

[versed mica]

"time to run low level keys for your wyrm crests"

"yes honey 💀 "

[clever sapphire]

it went from farming +2s for valor, to farming 11-15 for shit crests

pog

[spice spire]

I’m with Val rn but will you be in in like

An hour? I pinged you earlier man wtf

[gusty mirage]

have raid tonight boo boo

[spice spire]

What the

Sunday?

[gusty mirage]

yes?

we raid tuesday thursday sunday?

WOW

INSANE

SUNDAY RAIDING?

[clever sapphire]

you raid more times a week than i do keys

da hell

[earnest remnant]

based days

[versed mica]

You shouldn't raid on the Sabbath day

[gusty mirage]

you shouldn't assume my sabbath is sunday

[spice spire]

Lil bro raids more in one day than I do weekly

[gusty mirage]

you get aotc yet?

shitter

[spice spire]

Does your religion have a different sabbath day?

[gusty mirage]

yes?

[spice spire]

Nah

[spice spire]

Which day? I’m learning

[gusty mirage]

jews also have a different sabbath than christians

crazy I know

Gregorian calendar has you honkies all fucked up

[wraith cosmos]

so tuesday for normal heroic clear, thursday for mythic clear and sunday for timewalking?

[versed mica]

Catholics and Jewish people have Sabbath on Saturday iirc

[gusty mirage]

of course

[gusty mirage]

brother

the sabbath means the seventh day of the week

why do they go to church on sundays

[versed mica]

I'm just saying what I've heard damn

[gusty mirage]

oh wait

gregorian starts on sunday

you right

[versed mica]

Don't u EVER correct me again

[earnest remnant]

[gusty mirage]

why don't I correct your mouth with my mouth?

how about that?

HUH?

[versed mica]

[gusty mirage]

[versed mica]

Yamete

[clever sapphire]

i look in sub our outlaw channel i see talk about the spec or crying about realz leaving, i look in assa and i see this beauty

[versed mica]

Wait, realz left?

[clever sapphire]

dunno, im not his dad

[balmy condor]

plenty of people leave their house to go to work

I have to do that too

[gusty mirage]

this sounds like something his dad would say

[balmy condor]

no that sounds like something my dad would say

[gusty mirage]

bro you're doing purple wrong

smh

[versed mica]

[balmy condor]

who are you to tell me if I'm purpling wrong

[gusty mirage]

I'm your mom

[balmy condor]

oh shit

[versed mica]

I'm calling CPS

[wraith cosmos]

this family tree is getting complicated

[gusty mirage]

I probably deserve it

[versed mica]

Child ABUSED

[clever sapphire]

[balmy condor]

all you need to know is that @marble hemlock is grandpa

cause god damn he's old

[versed mica]

[marble hemlock]

its grandpa now? yday you still called me daddy

[balmy condor]

well that's cause I'm dad

so my dad

would be grandpa

[versed mica]

No you're queen

[balmy condor]

I'm MR. queen

[versed mica]

Freddie?

[balmy condor]

fazbear

[balmy condor]

hotel?

[clever sapphire]

incorrect, its Mr Queen Whispyr von Roguestein

[balmy condor]

trivago

[storm belfry]

Purple whisp

[balmy condor]

hey you got a red name and a blue icon

that's the same thing

[storm belfry]

I see what you did there

Anyone else get DCd and can’t log in?

[balmy condor]

yeah I got dick cheesed but idk what that has to do with logging in

[storm belfry]

[balmy condor]

sorry

richard cheese

[marble hemlock]

[balmy condor]

[indigo totem]

How do you get Dick from Richard? 🤣

[storm belfry]

always been that way

[spice spire]

Lil bro got the highest rank and unleashed the demons 💀💀

[storm belfry]

is defias brotherhood like dreamgroves regular?

[gusty mirage]

gotta buy him dinner first usually

[gusty mirage]

no its our patreon

[burnt latch]

Sarky dead

[gusty mirage]

if you have any further questions please bother our newly appointed shadows

[storm belfry]

Grats

[storm belfry]

Wait fr fr?

[burnt latch]

Now i can go rest

[gusty mirage]

ya

[gusty mirage]

ok ill come tuck you in don herbo

[storm belfry]

[spice spire]

Congratulations don Herbo

[burnt latch]

Thank you kind senor

[spice spire]

What wr did we get this tier?

[gusty mirage]

he's #1 in my heart

[burnt latch]

Muchos grandes senor

I have no idea actually

I probably dont want to know either

[gusty mirage]

prolly top 30

[spice spire]

He’s the #1 herbie in the world

[gusty mirage]

tough boss

[burnt latch]

A tier to forget

[burnt latch]

Damn right thats all that counts

[gusty mirage]

you being #1 in my heart doesn't count?

[burnt latch]

#1 herbie > tbf

[spice spire]

Wait @burnt latch I think you guys climbed

[gusty mirage]

[burnt latch]

Thats a world wide status

[spice spire]

One rank above those frauds in nocco @ebon notch

[gusty mirage]

did nocco finally kill

[burnt latch]

Korruptio 🤝 Nocco

They played insane this tier ggs to them

[spice spire]

Yeah

They’re touching tips on wr

Which is a pretty big gain for them iirc

[gusty mirage]

the boys in colour #47

@earnest remnant god youre so hot

I did a 14 without your help quake

[burnt latch]

Now time to put the game away for some time i will mby be here or mby not do not be afraid i will be back(mby next week mby next tier)

[spice spire]

I have 54 for colour (granted idk if r.io is best)

Im sorry man

I got mobbed yesterday

[storm belfry]

what character

[burnt latch]

Adios comrades don herbo out 🌿

[spice spire]

Helping another rat Paladin gear up

[storm belfry]

vneck?

[gusty mirage]

my pally

[storm belfry]

oh

let me heal

[spice spire]

Gz mister warcieft I hope you’ve a great night

[gusty mirage]

after raid if you're still awake

[storm belfry]

should be

im off tomorrow

[earnest remnant]

[storm belfry]

Cyon#11580

[gusty mirage]

its been so hard trying to gear this character solo man

[spice spire]

I get it. Solo gearing tanks kinda suck - especially if you’re shit at tanking like I am.
At least you’re good (I’d venture that, at the very least)

[balmy condor]

I'll banana you right now

[gusty mirage]

do it

you won't

[gusty mirage]

skill doesn't matter when boss mechanics hit you for 40% of your health

[spice spire]

Imagine not having a shield

[gusty mirage]

imagine pugging

and having to cc incorporeals

and off heal pugs

for standing in stupid

[spice spire]

Bruh

[gusty mirage]

I only have so much holy power

[spice spire]

I ran a fucking 11 uldaman pug earlier.
2 dks and a warrior.
And the Druid healer didn’t hibernate only typhooned

Sleet does not work on them either and I didn’t talent into asphyxiate like a dumbass

[gusty mirage]

just turn undead them idiot

lmfao

stupid dk

or turn evil

whatever

same shit

[earnest remnant]

control undead?

[gusty mirage]

doesn't work

that got reversed

[spice spire]

I have a kick and asphyxiate only

[ebon notch]

❤️

[ebon notch]

Wtf where my gz

[spice spire]

You didn’t announce

Gz tho

[ebon notch]

I did

[spice spire]

Oh I wasn’t here

[ebon notch]

Showed the full cock and balls

[spice spire]

Unluigi

[gusty mirage]

congrats man

[storm belfry]

monkaW

[ebon notch]

❤️

[thorn fjord]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[balmy condor]

[spice spire]

Bro

[ember mural]

you'd think you'd learn after the neltharus last night

[spice spire]

[spice spire]

Ran a 19 earlier and forgestorm dropped

[drifting cloud]

sir, thats not a dagger

[ember mural]

ihateyouihateyouihateyou.jpg

[strange python]

I got forge on an 11 (:

New upgrade system definitely doesn't suck (:

[earnest remnant]

Just loot it From a +20 its that simple

[spice surge]

Can even loot it from a +17

[gusty mirage]

did someone say forgestorm?

[balmy condor]

no shot you pulled outlaw out of your vault

who are you

[gusty mirage]

I was trying to funnel a tusk to our DH

[earnest remnant]

i dont recognize him anymore

[gusty mirage]

and forgot to swap off loot specs

unlucky eh?

everything else was legit dogshit

what a time to be alive

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tebej5yEz2hKZxjSbfJSvm @balmy condor make it stop pls

[hushed sparrow]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[balmy condor]

the fragussy

[drifting cloud]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/1Z7h2dE38HQsLSDjRM8x1p

not sure why its 1k lower tho

[balmy condor]

cause you simmed no exsang

and he did

[drifting cloud]

yes but its beating

it

[balmy condor]

and I'm about to beat you buddy

you right though

[drifting cloud]

what am I missing?

[balmy condor]

idk

sims are stupid

I guess

what do I know

[potent lintel]

For elementium pocket anvil. What exactly do they mean by "When you strike against the anvil"

Is there something I need to do to make it more productie?

[drifting cloud]

I still have your old custom apl, does that overwrite latest?

if you tweaked it

[balmy condor]

it's just fancy words for "when you use the trinket"

because like

lore

or whatever

flavor text

kinda like trinkets saying you "coat your weapons with poison" don't actually coat your weapons with a poison

[drifting cloud]

ok ye nvm your old apl was the culprit

for whatever reason

[balmy condor]

it should be the same

[drifting cloud]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/1VHC5H8BVGRarYbhxsr6Zi when I deleted it

[balmy condor]

weirdge

the APL pushed was the same as the pins

submitted letter for letter

idk

[potent lintel]

Also when I checked it last week it was the worst trinket but apparently there was some kind of buff now its being rated as a B. What exactly changed?>

[balmy condor]

they buffed the shit out of it

[potent lintel]

in terms of what

[balmy condor]

damage go up

[potent lintel]

so ideally you use it once and as long as your in combat most of the time it should persist?

[drifting cloud]

was that before raid went live?

no, you have to stack the anvil

[balmy condor]

it was like week 1 or something

[potent lintel]

how do you stack the anvil?

[balmy condor]

Idk all the hotfix tuning is just a blur

[earnest remnant]

gonna take a while for me to get used to that new colour

[drifting cloud]

just use it every minute

[balmy condor]

when you equip it, you passively have your attacks do extra damage sometimes. When you use the trinket it makes the passive damage stronger and does an aoe hit

so you use it on cooldown every minute when it comes up

[drifting cloud]

can also use it 10s prepull

[balmy condor]

and it makes the passive stronger

[drifting cloud]

first time

[potent lintel]

but after combat tho it sstill shows up as being active

[balmy condor]

it was like that from red -> green and green -> orange too

[potent lintel]

do I still use it even when it shows i t being active

[drifting cloud]

it drops in 15s out of combat

[potent lintel]

right but as long as tank is constatnly pulling its almost like slice and dice right?

[earnest remnant]

like i actually had to read your name a few times for my brain to figure out it was you

[balmy condor]

you keep hitting it for the aoe

every minute

[drifting cloud]

yeah you can upkeep it in keys between pulls if theres not too much downtime

[balmy condor]

happens

[brazen zodiac]

cx

[limpid quest]

question can anyone advise on what first piece of luring I should get, is one harder to get than others?

[earnest remnant]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9QE4i5wwP7TmtG1gLEpVHY only 600 behind my sub gear

[ebon notch]

Whispyr go back old colour please

Cannot handling this

[ebon notch]

Is assa the play for Sark or

[bitter crow]

gz whispyr ❤️

just saw, well deserved

[earnest remnant]

just having it prepared incase we need me to actually be useful with the haste buff

[ebon notch]

Can't believe we actually killed ngl

I'm gonna show up at raid time tomorrow

Pure muscle memory

[drifting cloud]

next week you can prog the real endboss

[ebon notch]

Monka

How many keys you done Ryler

[drifting cloud]

this week? 0

[ebon notch]

Crazy

[balmy condor]

thank you

[balmy condor]

grats, now that you killed

you can go do zskarn 2.0

the BETTER zskarn

[ebon notch]

I'm scared tbh

[balmy condor]

dw

it's just a 5:30 fight now

very simple

the enrage happens at like 5:10

and then you have to rotation the biggest healer cooldowns known to man

in order to kill

but ya know

it's a 5:30 fight

tell viklund to save vamp or something idk

I'm sure it's fine

[drifting cloud]

probably gonna get more nerfs with reset

[balmy condor]

I thought he was going to have his revenge

[drifting cloud]

grom just wiped on 0.5% lmao

[earnest remnant]

the big question tho

did he put down spear

and get 2 mechanics?

@gusty mirage

[ebon notch]

I wonder if I go 3rd tank again just for simplicity of rekilling

[gusty mirage]

for zskarn?

[runic hinge]

Got my first pink parse ever today, it was on normal but I'm still pretty happy about it

[gusty mirage]

[runic hinge]

Shoulda asked for PI, that coulda been a 1

[gusty mirage]

you're #1 in my heart

:3

[runic hinge]

[wraith cosmos]

sad, my original normal amalgam was a pink...now im orange

[gusty mirage]

you'll forever be pink in our hearts

no sad boy vibes tonight friends

[wraith cosmos]

oh, i see oxxi right above me lol

[gusty mirage]

we hype each other UP

[wraith cosmos]

gonna orange parse my next runs for sure

[gusty mirage]

you're gonna 100 parse

because you're a gamer

I believe in you, you just need to believe in you

[wraith cosmos]

brother, i believe in me that you believe in

[runic hinge]

I was using the wrong annualet all night

smort

[strange python]

I got bomb and nelth tonight

Good vibes.

[gusty mirage]

[fleet pagoda]

was in shambles in raid and couldnt' figure out why... accidently spammed howling runes instead of using buzzing. almost had haste > crit

[gaunt moat]

No cause then it wouldn't count 🙂

congrats though, more impressive without PI

[fervent shard]

what stat weight in crit and mastery is ideal atm?

[craggy oak]

Whatever the sim says

[fervent shard]

It’s for the raid trinket, from what I can tell the sim doesn’t sim the bonus stat unless I just missed it

[fringe spear]

The other person with trinket should just use what's best for them

[balmy condor]

There’s options for it in the sim options, usually mastery is better for most

That’s the blue dragonflight one

[fervent shard]

That’s what I figured. I probably just missed that setting

Thanks

[balmy condor]

Also is only good if you have the other people in your raid on the other flights

So keep that in mind

If you got a raid full of blue

It’s gonna be a shit trinket

[steel ridge]

Omg whisp is purple now

[balmy condor]

yessir