assassination

[balmy condor]

what the fuck am I looking at

[frank stone]

perfection

[fleet pagoda]

the high road

[hollow vault]

how do i make my name red bro im committed to the bit now

[thick sail]

Is Exsanguinate still good?

[clever sapphire]

Oh looked at one of zeras 24 freehold or spmething at work and saw him run this, so i was like why not test it out xd

Ah true, i simmed 5 min, ye makes sense

[clever sapphire]

You takevaway sub and outlaw roles from yourself

[hollow vault]

nyoooo

i took off my original reactions but it does not CARE

[clever sapphire]

Short answer? Ye

[thick sail]

The pins don't say anything specific about Exsanguinate. They basically say "sim yourself," which I'd love to do, but for the past month everytime I try to sim myself it gives an error.

The main decision point I have is Master Assassin vs. Exsanguinate

[hollow vault]

#1065730164077645916 message

bro you're taking internal bleeding do whatever your heart says

[thick sail]

Oh, I was reading the pins of this channel, I see!

[balmy condor]

[eager solstice]

sub or assa for experiments? assa benefits from the 2 target cleave?

[thin gate]

i mean sub has 2 targets rupture aswell but i guess overall assa should win

prob SBS build

[wide bolt]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[torn atlas]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/LuxthosRogueDragonflight (Luxthos's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[storm belfry]

what are you guys playing on M experiments?

wclogs down i cant stalk anyone

[proud basin]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[dark token]

Single target

It's not really 2t cleave despite what people think

The times there are two bosses is pretty low and usually one is dashing around

[storm belfry]

yeah few pulls in after the 2nd i thought mayeb play for ct but after i asked i can see now its not needed

ty for response

[proud basin]

since Warcraftlogs is down, what build are people playing on HC sarkareth?

[balmy condor]

single target

[proud basin]

Thank you sir......Good luck on the prog man

[balmy condor]

ty

[arctic current]

The first week I played IC/ ironwire to deal with adds which I know is troll... now they just get insta deleted

[balmy condor]

rookie move

the rule is you go single target

on everything

unless it's very specifically a full aoe fight

people are going single target + CT on assault even

[arctic current]

Man has his breaking point after wiping to adds to many times

[balmy condor]

yeah I mean that's just play sub

playing assassination your instinct should never be "man I should aoe"

[arctic current]

I just can't bring myself to do sub

Anyways after the exsang/sepsis build I'm sold... no more AoE griefing for me

[rugged island]

Is there a way to ditch exang in the m+ build and if so what’s a viable option

[solid mica]

what all is feintable on rashok?

[gusty mirage]

you play MA into iron wire

instead of exsang

[gusty mirage]

pretty much everything except the absorb

the leaps? feintable, the charged smash? feintable

idk if it works on intermission or the soak

I don't think they do

cause its dot damage

[solid mica]

is it worth taking elusiveness? kinda feels lik eit

is intermission dam feintable normally?

[native jay]

Is there a video somewhere that shows the Sepsis single target opener? I'm having trouble picturing in my mind from just the faq how/when i should be using garrote in conjunction with sepsis timings

Like do I just use sepsis on cd?

or do i save it in conjunction with deathmark?

[balmy condor]

on cd always

[native jay]

so basically, sepsis, garrote on either end of the duration, then on the second deathmark, use vanish for improved garrote for deathmark

right?

[lean fossil]

@balmy condor where the heck do i put beacon in on the opener?

or anyone with a beacon, where have you guys been putting it in your opener?

[balmy condor]

you always sepsis->garrote, then it expires and you wait till the end of the buff

then garrote again

[balmy condor]

wherever you want

before deathmark I guess

[strange python]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[lean fossil]

gotcha, thank you!

[thorn fjord]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[gaunt moat]

@limber lion So i tested the luxtho's Sepsis
Maybe I misunderstood you or you me.
But it doesn't have the functionality i want to implement.
I want to differentiate the WA to show not only your own sepsis buff, but when the target has the debuff
With the goal to know when it's appropriate to use Shiv.
I'll work on it now.

[uncut dragon]

I guess I’ve been a baddie holding sepsis for 30 seconds to make it line up with deathmark.

[balmy condor]

yep

that's troll

[uncut dragon]

Messes with my ocd to desync but I will work through it with my therapist

[scenic thunder]

Sophic devotion stacks on both daggers?

[gusty mirage]

ye it'll give you double the agi

[scenic thunder]

I'm using sophic devotion on my main dagger and sophic writ on my 2nd

[scenic thunder]

Nice, thanks, didnt know that

[eager solstice]

@balmy condor what was your rashok build?

[balmy condor]

no exsang with a third zold

[eager solstice]

extra shiv?

[thorn adder]

why engi helm simming so high for me

[rain oyster]

are you low on crit?

[thorn adder]

i have 4600

[rain oyster]

i mean it isnt bad

just depends on other stats

[thorn adder]

i just see all the sims having life-bound was just curious, i didnt even think about it having 1 stat

[balmy condor]

changing 1 piece of gear

doesn't actually change anything

"bis" is fake news

cause there's like 4 helmets

and 5 chests

and 4 bracers

and they're all equal

[thorn adder]

thanks

[honest mantle]

heroic sark full single target?

[gusty mirage]

yes

[honest mantle]

my raid is struggling with adds maybe we just suck

im doing 170k openers though 🙂

[weak horizon]

y'all mofos ever pool energy or do you just slam everything?

[runic hinge]

Slam

[spice spire]

I know I wasn’t an arms warrior because I slammed it all

[weak horizon]

Wcl being down has me in shambles

[gaunt moat]

Updated the Sepsis WA to include a Shiv reminder.

Basically: When the sepsis's debuff is applied to the target AND you have shiv ready AND shiv's debuff is not already applied - it will turn green.
https://wago.io/Lgy47ma7G

(No more forgetting to shiv before garrote in opener. Totally never happened to me )

[scenic sky]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[open reef]

hey, Are You able to make WA Icon with Garrote empowered by SS that hmm timer will be at green/red colour ?

[winter gale]

From 2p2p to 4p is how big of an upgrade?

4% on my current gear*

[balmy condor]

sounds about right

[strange python]

Can someone plz explain why sin got nerfed week 1, but it's week 3 and devoker exists

I was told tuning would come at the pace it did on week 1 of vault?

[gaunt moat]

Not super sure what are you asking for.
A garrote WA that shows you a timer of how long garrote will last on the target, and the color of the text timer will be green or red.. depending on what?
What's the goal you want to achieve?

[rocky ruin]

i think he wants a WA that shows if the garrote empowered from vanish or sepsis

or even Exsang

[vestal wren]

diffrent priorities

the nerf made sense at the time it got applied

but everything else changed after, making it seem unresaonable over a longer period of time

[gaunt moat]

I don't understand the importance of knowing what source of stealth empowered garrote.
either way, i'd recommend using Luxtho's WAs, that's what i use for tracking cooldowns.

[clever sapphire]

i just use whispyrs afenar config

[rocky ruin]

i think ppl tend to forget if they vanish garrote or not

[gaunt moat]

Yes luxthos's WA shows empowered garrote.
It's the source that empowered it that is irrelevant.

[sharp viper]

in the latest version of his wa, the sepsis empowered garrotes are also implemented - same display as if stealth/vanish empowered. so it doesn't really matter

[civic creek]

If you will not use sepsis, you do not need WA.
Think about it.

[spice spire]

[dusty trellis]

someone summoned me ?

[burnt latch]

[rigid tartan]

hey guys, whats the best way to use the combination of Dragonfire bomb and Beacon? I find it suboptimal to have dragonfire bomb used in a Gloomblade/Sstrike/Mutilate macro, you will put Beacon on cd when you don't want to. Separate bind for bomb dispenser and beacon?

[clever sapphire]

you can put it on a finisher

or like shiv, and have beacon on an actual keybind

thatway you have control over bomb but its still in your rota

[royal lantern]

beacon is kinda w/e when used anyway

you dont wanna miss a cast, but delay by 10sec doesnz really matter

dispenser you want to get out ASAP

sooo, i just put dispenser on garrote/rupture/shiv as a macro, and use beacon after DM when its ready

[sour citrus]

where did you get it?

[clever sapphire]

from wago

https://wago.io/a4RNXiGN8

[clever sapphire]

or do it like me, have 0 trinket luck, use grieftorch and brackenhide trinket and dont worry

[limber lion]

Why would that matter?

The source does not matter

If you have a weak aura tracking vanish and sepsis, you don't need to know which source the garrote came from (even though you can tell by just looking at the cooldowns)

[sour citrus]

thank you

[rocky ruin]

maybe i missspoke myself, but what I mean is that ppl need a WA to show them if the garrote is empowered regardless from the source.

[clever sapphire]

but why would you need a wa for that? Like do you do something differently if you know where its from?

[limber lion]

That's true. Knowing whether it's empowered or not is important, source not so much.

[limber lion]

You do play differently depending on whether it's empowered or not

[clever sapphire]

i mean refreshing i guess ye

i guess im just too used to remembering from where the garrote is that i dont need a wa for that

[frigid kestrel]

Weird I just macro it to my DM and just slam it on CD after my initial DM if the fights gonna be 6+ minutes and just hold for second DM if it’s gonna be shorter. I assumed that was optimal, but I am also the worse rogue in history which is why I read everything that goes on in here.

Wait I read wrong trinket

Disregard

[thorn fjord]

I usually cast beacon right before the second shiv cast right when DM drops after refreshing rupture

fucking love that button

[polar matrix]

toxic footwraps is the play then right

[thorn fjord]

@polar matrix Are you playing Sub also?

[polar matrix]

no

just assas

[thorn fjord]

Then yeah... You can go either way

Toxic is ahead

[storm belfry]

Slimy gang

Ain’t tryna heal nobody and lose out on damage

[spice spire]

R Druid main speaking 🤨

[subtle tundra]

If I have to help the healers it means they are bad

[storm forum]

I am so bad.

[subtle tundra]

I never feint or vial until cheat is proccd

And then the whispers proc

Why they let me die

[polar matrix]

so raw dmg slimy is still better than toxic?

[spice spire]

Not exactly

It’s more consistent

[storm belfry]

Leave me alone

[gusty mirage]

Don’t let him bully you

You have my protection

[thorn fjord]

Bro you need a spark to upgrade from 437 to 447?

[storm belfry]

No

You need the aspect enchanted crest

[thorn fjord]

I have that

But its saying i need a spark too

[storm belfry]

Show screenshot

[storm belfry]

I had a weird bug when I first upgraded mine

You already used one on it?

Wth

[thorn fjord]

Yeah when i crafted it originally

[storm belfry]

That’s gotta be a bug

[thorn fjord]

What the fuck man

[storm belfry]

Wait

Did you put the new crest in

I see the old one

[thorn fjord]

Oh

thats a bingo

[storm belfry]

Omg

[thorn fjord]

Thanks @storm belfry its early

[storm belfry]

LMAO

No problem homie

[thorn fjord]

i saw the slight purple in the background and i was like oh this for sure is the one

[winged veldt]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[runic gorge]

related to the news pinned msg. I crafted slimmy boots already. i should still craft toxic patch next week right?

[vocal oracle]

if you don't have anything else to craft...sure why not

[runic gorge]

yea cause i crafted dagger and boots with the first 2 sparks. going back and crafting another boots seems a little redundant

[grim jay]

no

I wouldnt craft toxic boots for now

just wait until more people craft them

and use them

maybe they even get "fixed" at some point

[vestal wren]

you can sim it, it might be a better decision to upgrade a weak slot of yours

[tropic rover]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[pseudo hamlet]

You can always sim yourself. I did and the new boots are like... ~400 DPS upgrade, which is <0,4%(considering that my gear sims >100k).
So it would have been a waste of gold. I think that there are other slots(e.g. neck for me), which could be much better in term of pure DPS gain.

[gusty mirage]

^ what he said

swapping embellishments for minimal dps gain isn't worth it tbh

when you can craft another slot at 447 for sizeably more deeps

[dusty trellis]

so i dont have any botts with embalishment , should i craft slimy or thorny boots ?

[spice spire]

Pins 🙂

[strange python]

anyone could show the craft dagger?

[gaunt moat]

What do you want to see about the crafted dagger?

[fading siren]

Is anyone else having an issue where the first garrote from stealth doesn't show the empowered display? I've had that issue since the update

[wind totem]

what is our second embelishment guys? Apart from the boots?

[vestal wren]

toxic armor patch

[wind totem]

slot?

waist?

[storm forum]

I think waist or wrists depending on what's a bigger upgrade for you.

[gaunt moat]

nope, works fine.

[storm forum]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[wind totem]

seeing as how im playing with engineering wrists and plant to continue will do waist

thanks

[fading siren]

Thanks Notter, if you can think of any reason mine would be not working I'd appreciate it, I've tried reinstalling but it's still happening, thanks for your sepsis WA

[gaunt moat]

What's exactly the issue, any garrote from stealth doesn't show the dot on garrote?

(real stealth)

[fading siren]

The first garrote from real stealth doesn't show the empowered aura, I'm using luxthos, but the second will, it's not a huge issue but bugs me it's not working correctly.

[gaunt moat]

By not showing "the empowered aura" you mean the dot on garrote?

[fading siren]

Yeah

[gaunt moat]

and if you vanish and garrote, it does show it?

[fading siren]

Yep and sepsis works

[gaunt moat]

I want you to go here and show me what's in your script
#assassination message

maybe someone the Stealthed check doesn't exist for you.

[fading siren]

Thanks so much, I'll send that later when I'm home, I really appreciate the help!

[gaunt moat]

It's not my WA so I can't guarantee technical support for it 😅
But that's the place where it checks to show the dot if you were steathed

your code should be exactly like in the picture

[vapid sierra]

beacon, bomb and neltharion trinket are all considered bis right?

[storm forum]

I thought it was irideous fragment/beacon/bomb

[spice spire]

It is

[pulsar ether]

Do you expect assa to get a rework?

[hollow vault]

i expect it

manifestation

[proper tapir]

I hope not, most of us just want exsang gone and Kingsbane to be viable, maybe a little better aoe.

I'd hate for them to be like, "Sin renamed to Combat, new fantasy - swords"

[spice spire]

Eh I wouldn’t mind a light rework of the trees

Anything beyond tuning these days is labeled a rework so like.
Yeah

Kinda

[frigid kestrel]

Please god no, I love my Daggers and Bleed fantasy

[balmy condor]

They have to rework all the rogue specs at least to some extent

Our point gates are the only ones that don’t follow the standard 4-3-3

[oak sky]

3 point noders

[balmy condor]

We’re 3-4-3

[oak sky]

Class treege

[balmy condor]

It’s actually not possible for them to make minor changes tbh

[silk bane]

I am hard coping that theyre working on a semi large rework for sin and the left side of sub which is why they havent announcnced anything even though theyve basically put out holy pal, fire and arcane out

[storm belfry]

Exsang will turn into a passive on our bleeds

[spice spire]

Exsang turns to death match or whatever the 4p was from Sofo

[silk bane]

I can see them litearlly turning exsang to -> your bleeds bleed out 10% faster. and then slap a 5% nerf on all bleed dmage and call it a day

[toxic night]

do you think the next ptr patch notes will contain assa rogue tuning ?

[balmy condor]

We’ll see when they release the next ptr patch notes I guess

[silk bane]

🔮

[sweet dawn]

Roll on tuesday

[steel ridge]

My money is on frost mage rework

[oak sky]

Frost mage rework is like 90%

Rogue changes are pretty likely too tho

[steel ridge]

cope

[subtle tundra]

keep coping

[runic hinge]

I love coping

That’s what I’m here for

[viscid spear]

[storm forum]

I'm here to doom not cope

[runic hinge]

I don’t like dooming but then I see my damage compared to a shadow priest at the end of a dungeon and I’m like, am I bad? No, it’s blizzards bad tuning that’s holding me back.

[thorn fjord]

Could play sub and beat the spriest

😛

[runic hinge]

I could but sub just ain’t it for me

Once a week or so I’ll run a sub key and think damn this spec blasts. But then I switch back because I just don’t like it lol

[thorn fjord]

What dont you like about it

[runic hinge]

Gloomblade spam single target

[thorn fjord]

But thats not really going on too much in keys

you get a bit of this and a bit of that

[runic hinge]

I played feral Druid for forever so I like the spinning plates

[thorn fjord]

and still crank on ST

Heard that

[runic hinge]

Of multiple dots

[thorn fjord]

I destroyed heroic this week playing Sin

got a few top 20 pulls

[grim tangle]

in what world does sub beats shadow priest

[thorn fjord]

My world?

[gusty mirage]

@gaunt moat

https://tenor.com/view/finished-elijah-wood-lord-of-the-rings-lava-fire-gif-5894611

[oak sky]

Fuck eranog leggoooo

[thorn fjord]

Almost got the ring off NL earlier but the douche wanted me to jump through a bunch of hoops to get it

so i told him to go fuck him self

[rocky ruin]

For some reason melandrus still sim quite good for me

[keen spruce]

[clever sapphire]

only change i want is to be able to mog my dagger as fist weapons/swords and whatnot, i know it doesnt fit the spec but i like the mogs xd

[spring walrus]

i can't find the blue post where blizzard annouce the balance of rogue, mages, paladins did u have the link?

[oak sky]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/124169701881282560/1111774756857991319/Fv3eZ1jWAAcGYFG.png

[spring walrus]

i need the link if u have it

[sweet dawn]

https://tenor.com/view/mouxy-cotorep-aveugle-debile-esquiver-gif-20546128

[clever sapphire]

its gonna be
Mage: " So we rebalanced a few talents and made some of them baseline"
Pala: "So we reworked holy paladin now its gonna be meta for 1 season atleast"
Rogue: "So we removed KB seeing how little play it got and it was only eating up space in our database"

[sweet dawn]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/fractures-in-time-official-patch-10-1-5-development-preview-332919

At the bottom

[spring walrus]

Thnx a lot ❤️

[eager solstice]

@balmy condor hey why not run your rashok build on all other st fights?

[balmy condor]

Because the other st fights don’t end at exactly 6:30-6:40

[storm onyx]

Blade of Hakkar mog

[clever sapphire]

actually looks cool

[storm onyx]

They shieth on your back also

[clever sapphire]

looks like profession only

so im not getting that

[storm onyx]

Hm??

Didn’t think so

[clever sapphire]

for some reason my appearances tab was bugged, reopened it and now it shows boss drop

[storm onyx]

Ah kk

[clever sapphire]

or i was blind

could be too

[storm onyx]

Common among rogues

[clever sapphire]

ye though my blind is always on cooldown with the new affix

[small rover]

do i hold exsang in raid for deathmark always?

[clever sapphire]

does fight last long enough for it to line up and run out?

if the answer is yes than you do

[small rover]

ok thnak you

[gaunt moat]

heyyyyyy grats grats

replaced duirna's?

[clever sapphire]

did SV get a buff?

or how are they so high on the list

from being under assa

[thorn fjord]

That list is one huge cap lmao

Oh wait it’s for m+

[clever sapphire]

yep but still im confused

or was it always good

and people were sleeping on it

because the bow existed

[thorn fjord]

Our resident SV expert in guild has been playing it on certain fights

[clever sapphire]

on subcreation sv is the only F tier melee spec in raid

[sweet dawn]

I'm a surv simp but I'd say it's always been fine in keys and still is

[clever sapphire]

tierlists dont say much, but its good for one thing, seeing which specs are broken

[thorn fjord]

They excel on really really big pulls

[gaunt moat]

Yeah.. for spiteful week this is very accurate

Can't do shit.

I feel bad for the guild members who take me to keys

[spice spire]

My brother in Christ

We have acrobatic strikes

Also iirc you can freezing trap the incorporeal

But you can also blind

[royal lantern]

freezing trap and scare beast

hunter can solo it

[spice spire]

Didn’t realize scare worked

That’s nifty

[royal lantern]

they are all enemy types at once

aka humanoid/beasts/undead/dragonkind/abomination/elemental/demon

so all CC spells work

[thorn fjord]

Blind kidney gouge kick

The possibilities are endless

But having a lock or mage or Pali makes it soooo easy

[royal lantern]

rogue warrior and DK are the only 3 classes that cant really do big stuff there tbh

i love the new affixes

1 affix where you can help once every 2min

and the other affix where rogue cant do anything at all

i love not beeing able to help

[spice spire]

I mean again, blind is good for it.
You’re a good back up at least.
And Acro helps.
Idk it’s okay this week

InCorp breaking stealth is a tilter tho

[oak sky]

actually i feel like even kicking one of the adds once is really helpful

and i think its fine that different classes are stronger for affixes on different weeks

like would you rather have an entire affix be your responsibility all week

[royal lantern]

eh, not this week

spitefull is kinda w/e for me at this point

i just dont lik that incorp has me as backup at best

and that the dispell affix has me not beeing able to do anything at all

its just failed design imo if not everyone is affected by it

like, i want to help but literally cant cus no dispels

[strange python]

ok i have a potentially dumb question but am i supposed to send shiv on cd unless i have sepsis coming up in the next like 10 seconds?

and how am i supposed to use vanish in the opener? do i just use it after the empowered garrot falls off?

[royal lantern]

if you play with 1 shiv charge, just send shiv on CD

if you play with 2, you keep a charge for sepsis/dm

[inland mason]

anyone else having issues when trying to copy the import for non exsang build?

[wary jungle]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[sweet dawn]

Don't vanish in the opener, save it for 2minute DM

[daring trail]

!sims

[prisma monolith]

Simulations:
Bloodmallet: https://bloodmallet.com/index.html

[vapid sierra]

@balmy condor sorry for ping but i cant find your wa

the one with the garrote tracker wtih the green dot

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/LuxthosRogueDragonflight (Luxthos's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[balmy condor]

I stole it from luxthos

[vapid sierra]

i found it, i used the search function on discord

sorry for ping

[stiff geode]

👀 ???

[balmy condor]

Gz on the mediocre trinket

[stiff geode]

411 torch and box I've been rocking, so probs defo upgrade

[balmy condor]

Oh yeah

That’s for sure an up

[stiff geode]

just a filthy casual 😄

[balmy condor]

Good upgrade then

[stiff geode]

Does grieftorch still sim weird or has it got some guess work done with it?

Sim options need input raid deaths here 😄

[balmy condor]

Grieftorch sims fine

It just doesn’t count for deaths

[stiff geode]

kk just checking, it is indeed wanting me to replace the grieftorch, maybe slap it back on for if I know people will get clapped

[misty holly]

Bloodmallet is showing Matrix Restabilizer being as good as Harlan Dice. That's pretty solid.

[weak horizon]

yo whispyr, i'm getting different numbers simming with and without your apl on both nightly and latest right now

same on latest

[balmy condor]

Okay, so don’t sim nightly

[weak horizon]

although the diff is bigger on nightly

oh latest is newer than nightly, whoops

misunderstood that

[balmy condor]

Correct

Nightly is updated every day

Weekly every week

And latest within about 10 minutes of an update

[weak horizon]

any idea why latest has different numbers with and without your sepsis apl?

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/24m9HUrn1Ro2wHN9BgEqWC

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/oqgVhtfUHun4EKqUBsevka

first is your apl second isn't

[balmy condor]

The second one you simmed single hand buzzing rune + ap

The first one you didn’t

[weak horizon]

god damn im fucking dumb

sorry

[runic hinge]

I have 19% vers and 29% crit and i hate my gear a bit

[balmy condor]

All good

[thorn fjord]

What’s your mastery at

My stat weights are kinda wild right now

[runic hinge]

52%

[thorn fjord]

Damn wtf

Then your haste has to be high

And by high I mean higher than 6%

[runic hinge]

4%

[thorn fjord]

Man your shits weird too

Tf

Well actually I’m not too far off

[runic hinge]

I have 3100 vers, i feel like that's insane, i could almost pvp with that lol

[thorn fjord]

Checking mine now to compare

What are you simming at?

[runic hinge]

my pvp gear from last season has 3500

it's low because i need a million crests and also I've done 1 heroic boss because im aotc andy

[thorn fjord]

RIP

[runic hinge]

102.555

[thorn fjord]

ah yeah then you got a bit to go

[runic hinge]

yeah i should be doing keys instead of day drinking into the night but here we are

[thorn fjord]

Just do keys while you drink

@runic hinge

thats unbuffed

no stones no flask

[runic hinge]

I guess mine isn't too off, i just want more crit, bigger number make brain feel good

[pure salmon]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[thorn fjord]

My sub weights buffed is bananas

I have like 72% mastery with 42% crit

[runic hinge]

SHEESH

[vast swan]

Is using Hekili still a bad idea? I'm not the greatest player (even for a casual) so I've been trying it out to see if I can make smarter choices, but some of the recommendations it makes seems odd even to me.

[storm belfry]

It’s not good for rogue

[vast swan]

Thanks. It was a legitimate tossup as to whether it was me or the addon that was wrong

[thorn fjord]

Really bad for rogue

[vapid sierra]

im about to get beacon

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[vapid sierra]

so do i prio beacon or puzzle box in my opener?

im assuming i puzzle?

[runic hinge]

You prio getting rid of puzzle box

[sour citrus]

Are we suppose to stack that high of versatility???

Im at 37crit 35mastery 7haste and 11vers

[runic hinge]

No

That’s just the best gear in my bags

[sour citrus]

Whew, for a moment there...I thought I was doing ti wrong.

[indigo totem]

@balmy condor in the current sub thread there was talk of dynamic buffing, as in rupture before dance and dance would buff it, is this why we shiv after sepsis? Does it really make that much of a difference, outside of timing cd's? Curious, please and thanks.

[runic hinge]

No worries. I’m behind on gear and have gotten a ton of pieces with vers on them for the slots I have replaced. Plus I got the class trinket which is more vers.

[balmy condor]

I think I don't get the question, the shiv buffs the sepsis

[sonic zinc]

why sepsis -> shiv instead of shiv->sepsis is the jist i think

[gusty mirage]

so that you get the last bonk in the shiv window

cause sepsis is a dot right

and the biggest bonk is at the end

[storm forum]

Yeah sepsis won't snapshot the shiv buff

[gaunt moat]

The issue is getting into stealth

[bitter compass]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[gaunt moat]

@gusty mirage so did you replace diurna's ring?

[gusty mirage]

not yet

tuesday when I get my 2nd spark

err

3rd

[bitter compass]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[cunning nest]

The thing is, I feel like vers is fckn EVERYWHERE.
Even if you desire to avoid it because of 'worst dps stat', you cannot. Look at raid loot Pool alone, it's obvious Blizz is pushing the stat

My first two vaults till now Was like: Take vers or take a socket

[weak horizon]

What's the difference between a 90 and 99 parse? Does it come down to kill time, procs lining up with CDs, crits, and getting enough procs of things like an annulet?

In a similar vein, if I hit all my buttons right am I guaranteed a 99 parse?

[cunning nest]

Dude there are so many factors, I think it's impossible to give a general answer

[oak sky]

Usually kill time,gear, and execution are the most important factors

[spice spire]

[balmy condor]

like above said, not necessarily. If you play perfectly but you got some bad rng like your beacon didn't crit and your annulet didn't proc, in combo with a bad kill time, might not make it. Also highly depends on the actual fight. If you're trying to parse on heroic echo and you're in a big dick group, you're fucked. The boss goes immune, the adds get nuked, you can kinda do whatever you want but getting a 99 with that is already sorta boned

[earnest timber]

Is the cloak a bit of simbait? Uptime seems awful low for a lot of other melee users.

[balmy condor]

and your concern is what exactly, that the sim doesn't reflect the uptime?

[earnest timber]

just doesn't seem that big of an upgrade in comparison to another cloak of equal item level because it's like 5 seconds of uptime a fight

just figured I'd take a shot in the dark & ask if it's the move in the long run

[balmy condor]

it's bis and simming fine

[earnest timber]

fair enough

i trust robot then instead of feeling

[bitter compass]

Are we dropping Cut to the Chase in the new Sepsis build?? (Single Tgt)

[balmy condor]

it's possible to, but usually not no

[bitter compass]

I remember reading somewhere that the stat weights you want to aim for are the following:
Crit: 40%
Mastery: 40%
Vers: 10%
Haste: 10%

Is this (still) accurate?
Was it ever?

[oak sky]

not really that simple, we don't go for specific stat weights

top gear sims can usually tell you what the best gear you currently have is

theres just a general priority of crit>mastery>=haste>vers

[bitter compass]

Ok, I can't remember where I read that specific stat weight. Served me pretty well last season!

[balmy condor]

It’s got the right idea and isn’t really messing anything up, but “aiming for stats” is sort of an awkward concept because gear just doesn’t work like that, and agility is worth quite a bit, so even within crit>mast>haste or whatever, a high item level vers piece for example easily crushes something lower ilvl with “perfect” stats

It’s

Idk

As long as you recognize that 40% crit doesn’t mean that for example 35% or 45% is in any way bad

The guideline works fine

[bitter compass]

Ok yeah, I never took it as one of The Commandments, but it was just something I generally aimed for at the end of the season, when upgrades were just coming from the Vault.

[balmy condor]

Yeah that’s fine, but that’s a very quick sim tbh

Open vault, /simc, top gear, there’s a button to select all great vault options

And you just rip it

[pulsar ether]

Is there anywhere where I can find a aoe priority list? Like do I open with 3x garrote out of stealth, or do I garrote into fan of knives aoe, when do I prio evenom over crimson tempest?

[balmy condor]

#assassination-faq has an aoe opener, and from there it gets kinda hand-wavey. General rule is maintain enough bleeds for energy, maintain CT, maintain envenom, and then picking either envenom or CT if all that’s done

Poison bomb and CT do very similar damage, poison bomb is a bit better during the tier bonus, CT has a bigger range, envenom gives you some prio damage or funnel or whatever (it’s not too impressive)

You just kinda figure out what situation requires what as you play it

And it eventually it’s just intuition

[spice spire]

You feel it out huh?

A craft of feeling, is what you’d develop?

[balmy condor]

Brother we got people playing flying daggers because the range “feels better”

M+ is a lawless wasteland

[steel ridge]

[balmy condor]

I have given up on trying to fight for m+

That shits on its own

10.1.5 surely will make our aoe make sense right

[spice spire]

Reall

[balmy condor]

No more hand-wavey

Just like

A logical rotation

Right

Surely

[spice spire]

Surely

[distant lodge]

They could start by re-adding poison bomb procs to rupture, maybe even make rupture apply to two targets like it does for sub.

[subtle tundra]

i gave up

we're not getting changes

10.1.5 is gonna drop in a bit over a month

[pseudo hamlet]

But they said in the blue-posts they will do something with rogues

[balmy condor]

Cease doom

Only hope

[deft flicker]

[subtle tundra]

🧢

i have hoped enough

[balmy condor]

This wouldn’t do anything but make it more complicated

[subtle tundra]

they change assa, good!

they dont, i play sub and eventually drop the game

[balmy condor]

Bro playing sub on raz almost made me drop the game already

Dragonflight sub is such a fucking mess

It’s unreal

It’s actually just the worst iteration of the spec I’ve ever played

[sonic zinc]

what was ur ideal iteration

[balmy condor]

I prefer wod with a long dance burst window

But legion with dfa is good too

[sonic zinc]

god i mis wod sub

[balmy condor]

And then close third would be 9.1 venth

Kyrian in 9.2 was okay

But dragonflight is just wtf

[subtle tundra]

kyrian awful

[balmy condor]

I don’t mind kyrian that much

[subtle tundra]

evis at 2 cp and it went to 3 and fucked it up

thanks

[balmy condor]

Making combo points interesting and worth thinking about is a good thing

Yeah shadow tech isn’t great

Idk

[strange niche]

sub now = gloomblade spam into ooo dance time, back to gloomblade spam 😴

[balmy condor]

I just want sub to go back to being a burst spec with an actual cooldown

And not 70apm 65% dance uptime

[subtle tundra]

played it for 3 pulls
gave up and never played kyrian again

[sonic zinc]

i dont mind sub atm, the only thing i really hate is shuriken tornado

[strange niche]

I always get so confused when people refer to covenants because I didn't play shadowlands

[subtle tundra]

venthyr flagellation

kyrian echoing reprimand

[strange niche]

ah tyty

[balmy condor]

Kyrian light blue, venthyr red, fae dark blue, necrolord green

[vestal wren]

[strange niche]

The goats, ty guys

[acoustic sky]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[hollow dirge]

Mop and wod easily the best sub and imo, the best rogue spec all around

[vestal wren]

I did like dfa more

wod was fun because it was so bursty, and subtlety was quite op

but it had for my taste too much downtime between dances without much going on

i played back then and we made the joke that you can go afk between dances

[deft flicker]

I did catch a glimpse of Legion sub, the DfA into dance was really nice

[royal lantern]

[remote oak]

My first 100 parse this xpac : )

[tribal mauve]

2 PI that doesnt count

[austere fulcrum]

ı already have slimy boots, do u guys recommend to have toxic ones instead ? + arent heal procs a dps loss

[gaunt moat]

Guys, my guild just recruited another rogue and he's sub.
How screwed am I?

[woeful meteor]

The Heals are a dps loss that currently isnt reflected in sims, once you get the next spark just sim, how much of a dps increase going to toxic thorn is compared to crafting another piece. Toxic are probably still better, but its hard to actually tell by how much

[woeful meteor]

Just do more dmg than him and you arent 😄

[gaunt moat]

Yes, but...

[blazing jewel]

Sorting by all damage all bosses

[woeful meteor]

This

[gaunt moat]

okay, which boss do you want to see

[woeful meteor]

Doubt it looks better per Boss tho

[blazing jewel]

Sort by rashok that’s the most relevant st boss that guilds are going to have an issue on

[gaunt moat]

magmarox?

[blazing jewel]

Magmorax sample size is still pretty low

[gaunt moat]

rashok?

[remote oak]

Not when simmed on heroic

[blazing jewel]

There is almost no gap between rogue specs on that fight

[gaunt moat]

i see like a 5k gap

[woeful meteor]

Just play what you want they are close enough that player skill closes that gap

[blazing jewel]

Besides the outliers at the top there is basically no difference

[blazing jewel]

Heroic parses are memes this tier

[gaunt moat]

it's the same in mythic my dude

[woeful meteor]

esp on rashok where only thing that matters is dodging waves and pressing defs

[gaunt moat]

Sub is objectively better.

[blazing jewel]

A rogue doing + or - 5k is not the reason a guild isn’t killing bosses

[gaunt moat]

No, but a guild will probably not want more than one rogue

[woeful meteor]

Yes Sub is objectively better, but a rl that is benching someone for not playing the fotm spec when its the better player is clueless

[blazing jewel]

Two rogues is fine

[woeful meteor]

you can play any raid comp(that has every raid buff) as long as everyone can hold their own weight

Not playing the Buffs is turbo int tho

[blazing jewel]

Also what cooked rl is looking to replace a sin player

I can see the argument for not wanting sin on raz because of the aoe phases

But you can play full st on every fight this tier

And the three rogue specs are nearly equal on that

[woeful meteor]

Sin on Sark is interesting, but we'll see once more people get to it

[blazing jewel]

The public logs of sub on sark don’t even spec black powder

[turbid harbor]

rwf guilds didn't either

[remote oak]

Probably because the adds last like 5 seconds

[grim jay]

probably because they are supposed to take the encounter serious instead of padding

[true garden]

what are you guys doing to sim for dungeons

patchwerk 5 target 40s no lust ?

[deft flicker]

Dslice should be fine

[strange python]

An entire guild doing that much less will matter on rashok and magmorax and it's wild to suggest you should be doing that while everyone else plays properly

If I showed up to mag and my DK was frost "because I like it" I'd be pretty annoyed.

And everyone likes to throw around "be the better player" but idk what guilds are sitting around on some S tier melee and B tier melee. Generally I see pretty comparable skill levels since everyone also apped and trialed to be there

[spice surge]

Pretty sure frost is actually better than unholy if you dont get PI

[tough mantle]

Maybe in a top 200 guild but the requirements to pass trial in most mythic guilds is having a pulse

[spice surge]

Frost seems to be better or certainly comparable on magmorax even with PI too

[silk bane]

just meming but you should probably be frost on that fight LOL

[strange python]

Whatever idk DK shit

But you get my point

One player wanting to play noticeably suboptimally during prog seems awfully selfish, because if everyone did it, you'd be progging slow as shit

[spice surge]

Being comfortable with your spec and being able to clearly focus on mechanics is way more important than swapping to a fotm spec and doing a couple percent more damage imo, but you do you

[silk bane]

i think scana's point is that 1) sin being 5k below sub doesnt mean specs are significantly worse. just a little. (also for rashok specifically p3/after condiuits destroyed) is the hardest part. and sin probably does more damaeg than the other 2 specs there). 2)people always play better ont he spec they enjoy than the fotm. so if a really good sin player plays sub, maybe they end up doing the same damaeg

[spice surge]

Especially this tier where there really arent any great damage checks

[silk bane]

^ i would say the only damage check is actually rashok, and sin does really good in that fights p3.

[strange python]

Isn't the flip side of "be the better player" just responding to this with "don't be shit at your other specs as pure dps"

There's an awful lot of atrocious arguments around this shit whenever anyone mentions tuning. Tuning matters and cope nonsense to suggest it doesn't is stupid.

[spice surge]

Not really

[strange python]

I mean, yes. "I'd you don't like sin being bad just play it anyways and be better than your other raiders" is just as, or even more, absurd than saying "don't suck dick at sub"

[spice surge]

Thats not what was said though. We said a sin onetrick would likely be more useful to the raid staying sin rather than swapping to sub, even if they do slightly less damage

Like in liquid they had riku stay fury even though they thought swapping to arms wouldve been better because riku slept poorly that night and they didnt want him to have to learn new things and the dps didnt matter anyway

[strange python]

No its no.

[cyan beacon]

Am I missing something in logs? people with slimy + toxic patch and those with slimy + shadow wreath have the same damage from "coated in slime." Shouldn't it be 2x? or does the toxic patch dmg show up elsewhere?

[spice surge]

Shadowflame wreathe is the enchant, not the embellishment

[gusty mirage]

Wait some rogues actually crafted shadow flame patch?

Now that’s one expensive decision

[cyan beacon]

oh duh, thought that was a new embellishment

[spice surge]

There is

[sweet dawn]

I think Sub goes shadowflame patch right?

[spice surge]

But its not called wreathe

[strange python]

No.

[cyan beacon]

some certainly are, i guess if they still use proc ring?

[spice surge]

The embellishment is called Roiling shadowflame in logs

[cyan beacon]

oh, meant they're using the enchant which is why i saw the dmg in logs

im about to craft boots and get with the program, but now i see a note that toxic boots might be better despite heal snipes...

[storm belfry]

It’s “better” if there are no heals probs but slimy just seems better overall.

[normal mist]

Been spamming VT for the crit/mast neck, after several runs, pug tank gets the neck, and cant even trade me bcs his neck was 408 ilevel

[silk bane]

idk we had a lot of trouble not getting hit by lava in p3. it was

harder to do good damage

maybe w're just bad idk tbh

honestly, I just hated the ending of that boss and was copign maybe sin could help burn the execute [hsae faster. for some fucking dumb reason i played rotten during our prog and it was not a fun time.

specially p3 i had to dodge waves and lost my vanish window and it just dropped my dps form 121 ish to like 115

it jsut gets more hectic as time goes by thats it big rooom filled with lava

its harder to do damage when theres more lava going out

[spice surge]

I think his point is that if youre team has no problems dodging flames in p1 and p2 then it could be argued that increasing those phases by 5s each to instead reduce p3 where more people die to lava by 10s could be a worthwhile tradeoff

Not from a numerical standpoint, but from a "its easier for the team" standpoint

[silk bane]

idk dude people killed it with 434 ilvl.

im sure your 440 sin is fine

yeah 436 sark died

[spice surge]

Assuming everybody always plays perfectly on every single spec you should be sub or outlaw over sin for rashok yes

But that isnt the case in the actual world

[silk bane]

point is -> if youre 436 maybe you need to play the absoloute best spec. if youre 442, then it doesnt matter as much. thats all.

[gusty mirage]

Outlaw

[silk bane]

oxi stop bullying zac

[gusty mirage]

Just say sub eleem

[spice surge]

r2 on rashok is outlaw

[gusty mirage]

Yeah and I crit my two beacon casts on heroic rashok and did 15k dps more than my sim

[silk bane]

imagine having beacon

[gusty mirage]

Sometimes you roll high numbers

Roll the bones if you will

https://tenor.com/view/ba-dum-tuss-jokes-gotcha-burn-ouch-gif-5645546

[silk bane]

its funny that people are coping about 5k dps this much when all you ahve to do is crit your beacons

[gusty mirage]

That’s what I’m saying man

[silk bane]

rank 1 rashok only crit 2/3

[gusty mirage]

Just crit the beacons and you too can do devastation evoker damage

[silk bane]

what a loser

[gusty mirage]

[woeful meteor]

Then your evo is bad 😄

[gusty mirage]

I’ve found most evokers are really mediocre

Which is weird considering their rotation is 4 buttons

[silk bane]

for you? no its good, for them? yeah its bad

yea

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/big-trouble-if-i-speak-if-i-speak-i-am-in-big-trouble-speak-big-gif-23519858

[spice surge]

But also, if people really wanted to do the most damage they would play rotten sub, but i dont see much rotten at all, even on recent fights. Comfort isnt a measurement you can use to determine how many pulls it reduces a boss progress by, but it definitely exists

[gusty mirage]

Our rashok kill was so scuffed if you look at the replay

Our pally tank solo’s the last 0.5%

[silk bane]

oh god no, i played that shit for our rashok prog. i was actually like 121-122k with boss at like 3% and was just starting my last vanish go with sepsis and everything up. and bam got a mechanic, lost my window, damaeg dropped to like 115-116

that shit is cursed af

[gusty mirage]

I decided to surf waves at the end of it

[spice surge]

Ye because youre not used to playing it and not as comfortable at salvaging when things dont go according to plan

[gusty mirage]

Yeah evoker numbers are giga inflated cause of PI right now

[spice surge]

Which is the exact thing im saying

[gusty mirage]

I’m going to gray parse magmorax because other melee don’t soak far puddles ever

So I voluntold myself to do them

[silk bane]

selfless oxi

as usual

[gusty mirage]

So I’m standing 40 yards away with my dick in my hand

I save beacon for it to feel less bad

[silk bane]

chuck bombs at it

ez

[gusty mirage]

Our hunters like standing in melee

First boss was a gem

[spice surge]

Youre talking about the puddles, oxi is talking about the swirlies, the soaks

[gusty mirage]

Getting ranged stealing puddles next to melee

Had a blast on that boss

[spice surge]

Those can spawn pretty far from melee, esp infront of boss

[gusty mirage]

I was running laps like Usain Bolt

[true garden]

do i bind irideus to deathmark or exsang or nah

[gusty mirage]

Deathmark

Or just get bomba and bind it to everything

Also who coded magmorax

[true garden]

B O M B A

[gusty mirage]

Why am I getting double hit by the fucking soak

Proccing cheat death through feint is cringe

[silk bane]

nah the best one is when you already went to east zimbabwe to a puddle, theres a ranged just chilling with a beam behind two pudldes he cna go left and let you easily take the right one, but instead he goes in right and sends you on another journey to china

[gusty mirage]

[spice surge]

Not every group has multiple monks and DHs in them

[gusty mirage]

I have a gromnak clip for this actually

[spice surge]

So you do need to run out a soak one sometimes, since 4/6 need to soak

And you probably have atleast one healer like a priest thats worse at moving than you are

?

[gusty mirage]

https://www.twitch.tv/gromnak/clip/EmpathicArbitraryBibimbapNononoCat-S9xPUMg4vj_pmLcg

[spice surge]

Ok so you havent played the fight

And have no idea what im talking about

Noted

[silk bane]

dude im crying that was me the entire fight LOL

[spice surge]

Not a lot of other people can do it

My group had 2 paladins, 1 dh and 2 priests

So if 3 of them spawn in africa

Some of us have to run

[gusty mirage]

This was me our first 15 pulls:

https://clips.twitch.tv/AverageVibrantMochaDendiFace-zXNKhuVb446cz9N8

[spice surge]

The other 15 people are not in the soak group i am in

Since you cant soak multiple

Like i said, you dont know the mechanics of the fight

And you flame me for being garbage at doing them

[gusty mirage]

Our RL goes “why is someone having to kite the beam to the opposite side of the room?” Pov: me in that gromnak clip

[silk bane]

dude im wheezing this is the most real thing ive ever seen. i legit lost it when he gets pushed bak to lava too LOOOOL

[gusty mirage]

I’m just running my beam for 20 whole seconds

[silk bane]

theres a reason I stopped trying to talk to him, he did the same thing to push and stealthi the other day. just non stop dumb arguing.

[spice surge]

Yes i could just let our healers who are having to constantly pump hps have to move instead, that is correct

Holy paladins do a great deal of healing when standing far away out of melee range

But also this is like the most telling statement ever

[silk bane]

nah on liquids kill jpc went to narnia twice maybe three times. clearly dogshit player and awful guild who dont understand the fihgt mechanics

[lyric crater]

so is sep better now or is sbs and sep about the same ?

[royal lantern]

sep better

[lyric crater]

hmm not a fan of sep but i see they change it a bit

[cunning nest]

Who of y'all will use endboss cloak btw? Only havoc in my guild has it and all melees hate him now

[royal lantern]

why hate

[cunning nest]

me included of course

[royal lantern]

and everyone will use it lol

OH NO

[cunning nest]

not meant that serious

[atomic star]

im all about others having that cape

take my haste my ass don't need it

[cunning nest]

smacktalk very common in our runs

[royal lantern]

I LOSE 30 OF MY SECONDARY STAT I TRY TO AVOID SO THAT SOMONE ELSE GETS 2K IN THEIR BEST STAT AS A PROC

THE HORROR

[royal lantern]

haste is often the 2nd best stat for assa wdym

[atomic star]

When do you want haste more than crit/mastery?

[grim tangle]

when it sims better

[atomic star]

idk haste is pretty much always my lowest stat when using my best gear

occasionally vers

doesn't seem like it ever does much but maybe I'm missing something about it

[grim tangle]

it does damage

[atomic star]

so do all the others lol

[grim tangle]

yes

more stats more damage

why would you not want more damage

[atomic star]

and someone else having haste is almost always better than an assassination rogue having damage

having haste i mean

i mean yes having haste is technically better but I'm not gonna cry over someone taking it

just like our priest using PI on me would be straight trolling

[deft flicker]

How much does a 457 cloak steal??

[atomic star]

even if it would increase my damage

[royal lantern]

60 or 80 idk

[deft flicker]

80 secondaries worth 3-4 dps each. Eh, whatever

[grim tangle]

it's definitely more than 80

it is 132

[deft flicker]

So 500 dps stolen for 8 seconds per proc

[atomic star]

and they get 2000 of the secondary stat in return when they steal it

it's so value it's insane

[gray horizon]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[cunning nest]

depends a bit on who have the cloak, but voerall yes ^^

[spice surge]

What? It doesnt depend on anything. If the mythic cloak procs they get 2508 of their best stat, while 4 nearby allies lose 132 of their worst stat for 8 seconds

[gaunt moat]

Just a reminder, cause i've seen the Sepsis WA getting some downloads.
I have updated it to include a shiv reminder.

[austere fulcrum]

bruh my sim wants me to put haste so badly 😄 ı dont know what to follow at this point

[peak bobcat]

maybe because you only have 5%

haste is good

[austere fulcrum]

ı am fairly new to assa rog only 3 Months, would u tell me how it benefits ? all the guides ı read says legit 0 haste is doable

[woeful meteor]

haste = more bleed ticks, more ticks good

[keen sigil]

guys do u switch ice stone over storm during tyranical weeks?

[royal lantern]

no, because i always forget to swap the rings

[clever sapphire]

you have 2 rings?

[vocal oracle]

yes

[royal lantern]

yes?

[clever sapphire]

damn i wasted like 300 of those fragments to get even all the 4 gems and upgrade them, i legit couldnt bother getting another ring

[balmy condor]

I didn’t get another ring till this patch

Took me maybe 40 minutes to farm everything

[sweet dawn]

On the second exsang+DM, do you vanish garrote before exsang or normal garrote exsang and vanish garrote once the exsang one falls off?

[clever sapphire]

i personally always vanish garrote exsang

because vanished garrote does more dmg

not sure if its the correct move tho

[iron vigil]

Anyone know if Ominous Chromatic Essence
sims correctly?

[balmy condor]

It does if you set it up properly

[subtle stream]

What’s the fastest way to farm primordial stones?

[gusty mirage]

do you have level 70 alts

and do you have an abundance of the elemental overflow

depending on those answers it's either going to be painless or a pain in the ass

[clever sapphire]

how does elemental overflow help?

[gusty mirage]

you can buy a bag from the dragonscale renown dude on the island that has a chance to drop keys

costs 2k overflow

[clever sapphire]

hmm 58k gonna be enough for anything? maybe i will get a second ring xD

[vapid sierra]

do most people play sepsis? or sepsis+exsang

[gusty mirage]

ye that's a lot of bags 🙂

[clever sapphire]

pooog

[gusty mirage]

another cheese

is if you have level 70 alts

you just skip the intro stuf

do 2 quests

[clever sapphire]

i know about the free 5 keys

[gusty mirage]

and get 6 keys

[clever sapphire]

already did that

[gusty mirage]

ya

[clever sapphire]

thats how i got my first ring xd

[clever sapphire]

i run both

[gusty mirage]

but the bags are giga for scammazing extra keys

[clever sapphire]

so used to exsang at this point

[vapid sierra]

what would be the usecase for both?

[gusty mirage]

I run sepsis w/o exsang, because I hate exsang

[vapid sierra]

would you just always want exsang since its more dps

[vapid sierra]

understandable

[clever sapphire]

exsang sims higher for me so i run it

[gusty mirage]

1400 dps isn't worth me not liking the gameplay

[vapid sierra]

i let my exsanged garrote and rupture run out befor reapplying right?

not in pandemic

[clever sapphire]

yap

[vapid sierra]

or like 1 second before it ends type shit

[clever sapphire]

no let it fall

every tick counts

[clever sapphire]

do you know which dude sells it?

[gusty mirage]

Cataloger Daela

[clever sapphire]

ah the only person i didnt talk to out of the group of people

because she had a quest marker

XD

thx

[gusty mirage]

[clever sapphire]

16 keys, time to pray

[balmy condor]

More keys than a locksmith

[runic hinge]

Based

[exotic hazel]

Just did a few keys on Sub Rogue to see how the other half lives

My god they have it easy

[vestal wren]

glad to have you join the sub club

[exotic hazel]

I'll never turn to the dark side

[vestal wren]

to bad, you miss out on a lot of fun

like the rotten build

[gusty mirage]

[earnest remnant]

[exotic hazel]

@balmy condor Hurry up and get Assa AoE reworked plz

Wouldn't even mind the Feral treatment of talents like Double Clawed Rake and Tear Open Wounds

[clever sapphire]

jokes on you, i use the rotten build inside the vault

cause 2 gloomblades kill everything pretty much

[balmy condor]

Not my circus

[clever sapphire]

give us aoe exsang, make it so now everyone has to play exsang or lose out on 20k dps, just let us burn easy

[exotic hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/greatestshowman-work-gif-20413586

[exotic hazel]

I want exang deleted plz and ty

[clever sapphire]

everyone does

[exotic hazel]

I'd legit be happy with garrote hitting 1 extra target and crimson temp being removed in favour of a better version of IC on shorter CD

[clever sapphire]

that would make it boring

[vapid sierra]

^

[exotic hazel]

I mean that's a matter of perspective

[clever sapphire]

at that point i can play sub

no front to sub rogues, but that would make aoe far too easy

[exotic hazel]

I can say I'd find it fun

I quite enjoyed how Feral's aoe works now

But my focus is raiding and I much prefer Assa there

[clever sapphire]

i liked ferals aoe too, but it was fun because of multiple talents interacting with each other. So reapplying rip made it actually use up some rip time and do that dmg instantly

also the free bites that did aoe dmg was fun

[runic hinge]

Ferals aoe feels pretty good now but they lost their single target for it

[clever sapphire]

ye but i despise the new combo points generating so i cant play it xd

[royal lantern]

can we trade 1h weapons when we have daggers at higher ilvl?

dont remember anymore if that trade lockout still exists

[fresh ginkgo]

@royal lantern yes but you need two one handers at high ilvl

[balmy condor]

…so no

[royal lantern]

so it still is a thing, gotcha

[main vessel]

but what if I placed my minecraft bed next to yours?

jk

unless?

[royal lantern]

only if it explodes and kills us both uwu

[main vessel]

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-hug-kiss-love-cuddle-gif-5396413

[main vessel]

https://tenor.com/b1tn5.gif

[idle gorge]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[arctic current]

Anyone figured out how to burst totems as assa on last boss brack? No hearthing allowed.

[silk bane]

rotate beacons ez.

[balmy condor]

You don’t

Best thing to do would be swapping into mfd I guess for brackenhide

And taking the L

But then getting envenoms off

But uh, still sucks

[royal lantern]

this season has way to many fights that fuck assa

[silk bane]

this season just sucks in general. im so happy im not pushing this season.

was watching asuna last night and dude never seen this guy hate the game so much

[balmy condor]

I like this season more than the last

Except vortex pinnacle

That’s just a shit dungeon

[silk bane]

funny they were doing a vortex 25

[royal lantern]

vortex just shows again that old dungeons are not good

like

linear as fk

[silk bane]

they mindcontrolled one of the ads that perma heals

[balmy condor]

Stop trying to make 15 year old dungeons work in a game system they weren’t designed for k thx

[royal lantern]

to make mechanics matter they just ramp dmg up by 20x

[silk bane]

it also gave them a buff like 3% of healer mana + 1% group heal per sec or something

and they oculdnt get the boss to even 70%

[royal lantern]

and unavoidable shit everywhere

[spice spire]

Damn

[silk bane]

but yeah idk other than brackenhide and neltharus the rest of the dungeons are kinda meh for me

[royal lantern]

neltharus is my most hated dungeon with VP this season lmao

allright in general, i dont like how many dungeons are "fuck you, unavoidable dmg+dot dmg the entire fight"

[silk bane]

really? other than the mammoth boss its a banger imo

[royal lantern]

cant tell me the last boss is a banger

fuck rng treasures

who thought that fits into m+

getting 3x charge is fun

[silk bane]

its pretty chill now after the curse fixes i think

again, i dont know how cursed these are. havent done any of them above a 21.

just got my io high enough like week 2 that i can pug my weekly 20s without spending 20 min in q and sotpped

[arctic current]

Mfd forget that exists... I'm totally gonna try this lol

[balmy condor]

I can’t recommend it without laughing but let me know how it goes

[royal lantern]

i just took the pain and play sub for m+ this season

[oak cypress]

i didnt see on the wowhead guide but do i envenom in AoE to maintain the increased 30% poison app chance?

[solar rose]

I actually like them bringing back old dungeons, but I like when they have the community vote on them, cause idk who decided VP would be one of the better dungeons to bring back

[tacit charm]

Facts

[balmy condor]

I don’t mind them bringing back old dungeons, but if they’re going to bring them back things like VP need full reworks to fit modern designs

[solar rose]

true and real

hot take I actually liked grimrail and iron docks

[oak sky]

i think rp trash with the balls was kind of stupid but at least there were a couple choices to make with trash

for iron docks

grimrail was pretty whatever just super linear

[solar rose]

there were just different mechanics ppl needed to get used to and although there wasnt much choice I found it fun

[oak sky]

i def agree they couldve picked worse dungeons

like vp