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would you get the im going to actually stay warm style or the anime style
choose wisely
Not an experience you will miss. They are made of hard materials
thats why the jump stun in freeholdt is the worst debuff in the game
instant -40% dps
even though ive done that key 20 times now
(and i always get stunned cus i jump all the time for turning while moving)
when my guildies say dont forget to jump to get your damage buff
I fall for it every time
my one singular brain cell activates every time they say jump and damage
it's true though. jumping increases the weight on the stab, resulting in 10% more dmg. we've seen it on death from above. wiggling left and right also gives you power on the stab, but if minmaxed (left,right,left,right), it ends up with around 5,5% increase, 3 on mh, and 2.5 on oh
wiggling left and right changes your stab into a slash, causing more bleeding
true
jumping out of an aoe is also proven to be more efficient
The evoker had their fun, it's time for Blizzard to bring Fangs of the Father 2.0
it's related to the black dragonflight
And please , don’t make them look like tuna on a stick
like, new mega-dungeon will have shards of legendary weapons
there's rumors of Ashbringer in the revamped Naxxramas
i just want my legendary daggers again
just a crumb of nostalgia please
there is a shard of a fking lore only seed that never gets mentioned in the game at all
but no cata staff/daggers
in a fking dragin expansion
when both legendarys are dragon themed

With that logic you should swap Vanish and Feinth 😛
there's shard of a fking lore that only exist in NON-CANNON BOOK*
I don't like you
also I think he just bricked himself out of roles

oh he's red now
W
oh god yeah i forgor about Tarecgosa
Fangs is just pure nostalgia, i was like 12 or 13 when i got them on my first rogue 
i mean, Tarecgosa only existed for this questline
then she prob did the Blizzard move of taking a very long nap until she's needed again
check the lore
Oh right
she's in the staff
"hey, what iconic items can we use as a callback?"
"what about the Staff that Casters got in a questline that showed how Kalec turned into the Blue Aspect, and has a entire story with a Blue Dragon that bounds with you and dies in the end, but keeps living as a spirit with them to assist you?"
"hey, what about the Daggers that Wrathion created for the Rogue, to assist him in defiance of his corrupted Legacy, and so they the hero can save the world with them? fits aswell"
"nah, random Seed from a non-canon book lol"

or what about Atiesh
Instead of new legendary I would love a new questline to upgrade my Fangs to current ilvl.
its not new legendarys
They're prob talking about Evoker new wepaon
mega dungeon has trinkets or something like that, that are callbacks to old legendarys
With all the new Upgrade tech imagine quest rewards to put any old item you own on the champion or hero path or whatever. Blizzard could do so much with this
Idea is nice, but how would they do that? Cause would it force people to legion class order hall quests line to obtain it for the people who didnt play legion? Dont think they would force that upon people.
idk, i feel rogues are a good target for callbacks
Also any crafted items from all expansions should be able to get infused with sparks.
fangs of the father, azzinoth, thunderfury
shitfury allready happend
outlaw artifact apperance
Ye ye
Azzinoth was already appropriated away from us 🥲
Actual warcrime
Azzinoth combat rogue is iconic from TBC era
They never should've made demon hunters a class. Should've just removed Sub, made DH a midrange glaive throwing rogue dps spec and let warlocks keep their demon form fun
Still legacy item with bonus disabled would be a possibility. No harm in letting me use fangs with current stats
As much as I loved metamorphosis demolock, the whole zoo demolock is omega fun
Legion iteration was bad
I do understand o fangs are even from Cataclysm, would like it to give the wings then aswell 😛
Nether Portal should be baseline and summon demons based on shards spent, not based on cast
I remember BfA, killing Wrathion, looting the trinket, and see the wings back
I just love having wings
playing with the 1st boss trinket instead of the anvil, because it's just 1% dps loss
and it has wings
Valid reason 🥲
in the history of worst wow related takes on this discord, this is pretty high up, ngl

Eh, I just dislike the sub spec fantasy and having a ranged option would've been great
even if it was only mid-range (like current ret)
I've made a little edit to luxtho's to track 4p tier bonus nature damage bonus.
I don't know if I can export a single aura out of his pack and it'll work. but if anyone's interested i can try.
bro really want to make this playable
ninja spec enjoyer 
War 3 is a thing
like, on what do you want that ranged spec to be built on? the old throwing finisher we had?
ok but who plays glaive thrower in war3? it's not meta
The fuck you talking about, I'm obviously not talking about siege weapons
it's a glaive thrower :)
wrist
More like cordana felsong in vault of the wardens
Not Cordana from warcraft3? :(
Wow needs a lancer class
A what now
A spear class
Warden had a very basic kit
A blink, invisibility, throwing dagger for a DoT, and FoK
Survival Paladin??
what would it bring that other classes doesn't do
YEAR OF THE SPEAR
Just a fun class that a lot of other mmos have
like y'all are just "we need X class" then gives the most lukewarm take on a class that brings nothing and has no substance to make at least 2 specs out of it
we already have a fun class that a lot of other mmos have, it's called rogue
we're even getting bard next patch
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everyone can use spears, it came for free with your 2-handed ability
making a class using only 1 type of weapon is stupid and it only worked in Legion because borrowed power
I love that sin is basically off topic 2
I was actually saying the opposite by saying we didn't need a demon hunter class lol
sin has 3 moods
OT2
slow-mode because something big happened
Whispyr going insane because he found a new tech/build
Sepsissepsissepsissepsis
Hey guys ? Does toxic patch scale with ilvl ?
except over time, DH got fleshed out and deserve to be its own class
Ok Ty !
Vengeance is not "blood dk but in leather"
but i'd delete Evoker to bring Kingsbane back
People actually want Exsang/Sepsis/KB build like we don't have enough buttons 
never said i wanted exsang 
i just want KB
also i mean, yeah we have a lot of buttons
but come on
it's not like we have high apm
we're average apm, i clock at 52-53
but that's not the issue
more buttons to maintain and sync are starting to be overwhelming
KB was kinda fire and forget
it naturally synced with DM because it's a 1min cd
and you press shiv twice during KB
(I'm not trying to make a case against KB, just that sin has a lot of stuff going on already)
not the hardest imo
neat
not saying otherwise, in my opinion you're just overthinking it
y would need dat too
alright i'll try to export and hope it'l work for you and not totally delete all your WA 😄
but idk, i usually press my buttons on cooldown and if it sync, it sync 
first unlock the race for other classes pls ty
scalie located
Alright try to import and let me know if it works for you. This is ONLY the deatmark WA from luxtho's slightly edited.
https://wago.io/U_ROg96PJ
please share the lore
Cloak works for Kazzara beams on mythic to not move at all ??
you mean running into a pool and use cloak to stand in the pool?
i need to run anyway casue beam will not dissapear right ?
im pretty sure you do it on heroic too already
cloak will just avoid taking damage
mythic you just cant cross beams
exactly
beam starts doing raid dmg when they stay for to long
any tips for rogues to increase uptime on boss ?
hope to not get mechanics 
boss hitboxes are deceptivly large, you can soak a lot while staying in range with acrobatic strikes
hope to not get mechanics
the lore is "im not even hiding it, wdym" 
I lost 20 seconds on pull cause i had a laser, and other people always ran for the pool i was going for
@royal lanterncome play DD boardgame with me 🥲
in this case i just pop sprint+cloak and agressivly run towards the pool
die, get battleresed, now you only lost 5 seconds instead of 20 xD
🤝
mate its 12:23 and im at work
i wasn't gonna be the guy who runs lasers into eachother hah
leave work
nah, my guild is legit bad
we have assigned pools for the 5 melees of the raid
and there's still ranged that goes for it
like bruh, fck off, let the warrior have the one close to boss
!whispyr
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you can just blink behind a pull and blink back to safety
why are we tracking the 4pc now
To feel better about the 4p
pretty much hah.
I just got 4p yesterday. i wanted to to make it feel like it does something
but i dunno, maybe it's worth to envenom more during that time for PB? (i know CT also does some nature now)
the convo in #1065730164077645916 about that seems to be in heavy aoe, but I don't think it changes gameplay much really
most people were already spamming envenom pretty hard for poison bomb
and that's even if poison bomb hits all the targets
which is rarely a given tbh
so the whole "envenom instead of CT" thing feels more like a sim fix
than an actual change in what you're doing
post deathmark, i just maintain CT on 6+ targets and use Envenom as my dump, instead of using CT for that
I think in practice it's going to be pretty rough to actually realize that gain
have to hit the middle most mob in the pack
and hope mobs aren't spread out too much
bit of a roughie
PB procs
a mob in the pack instantly do an aoe
tank has to drag the whole pack out of the PB

Well blame yourself, you're the one who said "think of DM as a 45s buff" and that incepted the idea to do that
They aren’t mutually exclusive
blizz shows you a ton of garbage animations of other classes, but refuses to show PB to other players 
OTHER PLAYERS DONT SEE PB?
Number big
They indeed do not
PoV me sippin a Red Bull while blizzard “hotfixes a bug” that buffs sepsis by 40%
All this time i thought tanks were moving the packs out of PB because they thought it was a negative ground effect
its very very very important for warrior spear to hide all other ground effects in the game
i dont need to see enemy aoe stuff
As if you could see anything anyway with huge tauren warrior spinning like a madman
PoV: Whisp when the announced 10.1.5 update comes, and it removes exsang and the entire assa apl breaks
tauren?
you mean female belf
I wouldn't worry too much about so called rogue changes 
female belf, the "human fighter with no backstory" of wow
using so many toys that changes my appearance that the only way i remember i'm playing bloodelf is arcane torrent 
Ooo bois, updated to rank 12 😛
rupture dmg increased by 15%
Blizzard reverting Deathmark for obscure reasons and it's Vendetta again, with the Legion artifact powers
Maplestory better game once again and it’s not even close, we get a skill transparency slider for friendly players. Doesn’t turn down particle density, just makes them more see-through, and at 0% turns them off completely
Very based 2D game

3D humans mad IRL cause 2D better
Do you play a rogue in maple story

2D>3D
Also peak DFO >>>> 3d games
My 2 mains are a warrior and a pirate, but I have rogue alts
its 1of the few things ff14 does better aswell imo
can turn animations for teammembers WAY lower or conpletely off, and can do the same for yourself aswell
Real
Blinding circle of swirly hiding
Why cant we get something like that
Can we make poison bomb cartoon slime color and x3 the size
You mean DH darkness
🚬

tbf, sarkarerth by himself is allready a hatecrime with that
legit impossible to see the CONSTANTLY SPAWNING SWIRLYS in p3 cus its a light purple, on a arena that is blue/purple by default and has purple soak effects, purple spell effects and purple ground effects near the meteors
and thats without player animations
Just did like 5 uldamans in a row trying to get ring, lsat one mage gets it.

like, sorry, but that fight is just stupid with animation clarity
Giving a pure DPS class a non-dps raid utility was a mistake, change my mind
EQ had that in 2001 and different sliders for self+allies /sigh, I don't understand some settings being not implemented here.
We have raid utility?
Could you imagine if sark didn’t turn purple and we fought the banana skinny dragon as an end boss
DH is pure dps?
Sometimes. Don't tell anyone
the raid utility :
shroud before boss pull
Yeah maplestory is same thing with self/ally, 2003 
bro, rogue has so much utility bro, more utility then everyone else bro, its real bro
They have 5% magic damage debuff don't they?
idk, you said "giving a pure DPS class a non-dps raid utility was a mistake" i thought you were talking about Darkness
No
and not Smoke Bomb from WoD
Rogue makes everyone do 10% more damage for 5 seconds after breaking stealth
Shroud now usable in combat

Talking about the only melee DPS with raid utility that isnt a DPS gain
How to increase ninja pulls
Oh no I hate that 
Hey hunter has no utility at all
But being bm and having assigned all mechanics is basically utility
you just re-created the OG rogue armor reduction 
There's always a dh/hunter/mage to ninja pull
our issue is with the feral that always jumps before timer
Boomie!
spriest
Rogue should be the jack of all trades that it is in every other game. Pickpocket a class, get their raid utility until you steal a new one. That way you don't HAVE to bring class XYZ, you just bring a rogue with that buff/debuff yoinked
what
you mean boomkins
wrath pulling at 3seconds is an absolute classic
our DH is expert at dropping sigil too early
wasn't early beta of Shadowlands that gutted the healing of Crimson Vial and we would have to pickpocket mats to empower it?
i want that tbf
i rather dont have to spend 30min pre-raid Pickpocketing enemys for some shity buffs
Purifying Crimson, stoneskin Crimson etc
vanilla ass gameplay
You mean someone logging on their alt real quick?
So it takes 20 seconds
i'm thinking about that a lot, because lately, i've been malding hard from getting a bleed in Brackenhide and having to wait 2 eons to be able to stealth again
you mean the bleed that gets removed when the healer heals you above 90%?

Symbiosis without the other person getting a benefit 
Symbiosis was cool as fuck
i'm not an e-girl so i dont get healed 
so true bestie
yeah but too hard to balance
"dont you guys have healing potions?" a random druid heal in an 18 brackenhide after we died cause he wanted to do cat stuff
"dont you guys wants to use your emergency heal that's on a 5min cd for a minor inconvenience that can be fixed with a hot?"
5min?
you mean 1,5min for racial
🦊
Also rogues gained "Growl" from symbiosis which was very HUH
i am not spending money in a raceswap
evasion tank man
pickpocket Warrior
Get Rend
mald because it's another DoT to maintain
realise rend is only good because they dont have to apply it with pressing rend, but with random other buttons that do dmg
charge>thunderclap>Rend on 6 targets
😩
Ackchually, sometimes you press Rend for better rage management
Rend = 30 Rage
Thunderclap = 40 Rage
when I ask my wife if I should thunderclap, she tells me to put down that small dirge and relax
HUH?
I wonder; if they are going to let all this lvl and gear catchup system stay, would they finally implement a real character development/progression apart from this global amnesia sesons systems...
the only amnesia is about that sword in Silithus
like what?
we keep getting gear
and levels
and new talents
until the talent tree is so complex, we get to pick 1 out of 3 talents in a row, and we unlock a row every, idk, 15 levels
They've said they're planning on refining it in season 3 but like it's current direction
Current design is divided by seasons, with nothing from previous staying relevant and only character progression is linked to gear. Expansions are like starting game as lvl 1 at lvl 60-70. All accumulated knowledge is lost etc.
i mean, yeha
how else do you wanna do it?
having to grind out vault first so you can enter abberus?
we had that during vanilla/tbc, and there is a good reason it doesnt exist anymore
No, what I mean is not that you need to run content linear
But we forgot all about how to socket our armors, glyphs, and many more stuff. they don't carry over. Any "world changing" thing becomes absolute
i miss old glyphs...
blizzard have already said they don't want anymore big borrowed power system as that is what you're describing
so in theory there shouldn't be anymore of the peaks and falls we've had between expansions
Tradeskill knowledge is not BIG borroved system tbh
honestly i don't even know WHY we need expansions as opposed to a big patch with how big some of the patches are now
I would appreciate the old glyph UI system, if only to manage my 308 glyph of water elemental forms on my mage. (none of which are seen because lonely winter lol)
Nothing staying relevant each expansion is a catering approach and it breaks real character progression in core.
forget what we had in the past. they've said "from dragonflight onwards"
I do agree some of the stuff was good and sorta sucks it doesn't exist anymore. they will build on the new crafting system
it's heavy
but that's all we have to go on if they keep their word on just continuing to build on systems
Even minor things they throw in the bin tbf
as opposed to refurbing each .0 patch
the other issue with borrowing power, beside the obvious "it's gone at the end of the patch/xpac"
is the ungodly amount of layers it adds
like bfa
necklace, then farming azerite for the levels, so you can unlock all the rings, then the punchcard, then the cloak, then corruption
we don't talk about bfa .0 Azerite armor
Glyph system, Azerite gear customization added "choises" and depth. wish they stayed. If you look at azerite armor system as a tool to armor customisation sys, it was great tbh
Now we have that flexibility by our tree tho
kind of
azerite armor was just tier with extra steps
i just want class weapons back like they had in legion
most of them had one thing you required somewhere to actually impact your rotation and then you stacked a bunch of the generics on the rest of the slots. not a ton of customization
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Had impact on what/how we did depending on scenario/choice
from the viewpoint of having to micromanage the hellscape of loot distribution for a RWF wanna be guild at the time; there was effectively no real choice during .0/.1
not seeing sepsis in dungeon slice sims makes me sad :<
Previous game I played, every class had their specific class weapon quest that continued over expansions. It leveled and gained power with you through quest line.
FANGS OF THE FATHER PLEASE
who got neltharions call trinket ? what is uptime in 18+ keys ?
Is there a whispyr rotation-recommendation when playing exsang+sepsis?
pins mate 🙂
is class trinket getting popular? feels like more and more people come here to ask about it, thought it was bad
If you have "bad" trinkets it might be an upgrade for some people temporarily, until they get something better. sims said it was .5% better for me. so minimal. Think im just going to keep incarn on for the crit
after comparing logs, the only real difference is my crit level. and i lose alot of crit without incarn until i get other items
Class trinket has nuts uptime in keys, makes it really really good
Well because its a "class trinket" and has really high ilvl i think a lot of people assume its going to be bis for everything for everyone
Yeah, I wouldn’t recommend it ST 
Also because it's "Very Rare", whatever the fuck that means these days
Blizzard finally taking a cue from Path of Exile, sadly they do it by adding nonsensical descriptors to stuff like droprates.
the only very rare loot that keeps eluding me is the drake transmog thingy 
We got 2 in our 2nd week but like
I hate very rare items with a passion
It's a cheap way to make people keep doing farm raids
i just want my mount to have an unfathomable amount of drip
The only very rare item my raid has seen is zenith tier
I think we got like
7 or 8 daggers already
2 from sarka normal, 1 from sarka hc, 1 from kazzara mythic, and like 3 from kazzara heroic
Kinda weird
i get all the daggers 
Very rare means drops 1 every kill or something
Cause we have had more cloaks from last boss than trinkets and bomb dispensers combined
it took me so long to get my 4P because "i do so much dps, i'm not on high priority"
cue the clown show of yesterday
Got my heroic beacon last night 
i dont have AOTC 
gonna find a new guild soon
random question
but when simming for pi
how do i add multiple pi's and not just one at X seconds into the fight
profileset."power_infusion"+=external_buffs.pool=power_infusion:120
i want to also include 240 in this example aswell
in the same profileset
see, we have 0 cloaks
but we have had 4 dispensers so far
and 5 beacons
wait im dumb i was using the wrong fucking thing aaaaaaaaaa
y'all are looting dispensers?
Thankfully the beacons and dispensers are infinitely better than the cloaks
The fact that cloak has like 6-7% uptime is kinda oof
How good is beacon for assa and where should he enter the rotation? (Sepsis no enxs)
press it on cooldown
Yeah they’re pretty shit tbh
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Thank you Tryan!
Hc one is like 900-1k dps for me so I don't think that's shit
Compared to a what? 424 cloak?
Because I have a 441 cloak and it’s nowhere near 1k dps for me
It’s like 400 dps lol
441 underrot


I’m convinced I will never see a bomb lol. 2 normal and 2 heroic kills and our guild has seen no bombs lol 😂. Also no cloaks and only 1 beacon hahahaha!
Here’s to praying to the vault gods lol
Pray to the vault!
!fuu
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i love how both sheets have diffrent tier slots, but the same result
same amount of clears, no beacon and only 1 bomb

but fuu what about the secondary stat breakpoints!
I have 3% haste on my sub set I might as well delete my rogue

you have 24h to lower it 
slime boots help getting rid of it
true
without them I'd have 4%
I can't get the cowl + eranog ring to go away

doesn't help that I don't drop rings
Atleast you can delete it 3% faster
I gotta get rid of eranog ring

TRUE
Same, brubby 
#subtlety users bragging about having negative haste because of the slime boots is the biggest brainrot moment possible
"guys look, i have such a low idea about secondarys, that i think its cool to litearlly go into a negative ammount
"
BUT MY SECONDARIES BRO
I CAN FEEL THE DIFFERENCE OK?

i miss us
But!
I have literally almost nothing planned for summer
Maybe I can game for a month and then quit again for 10 months

I have 3% haste with slimy boots and haste still sims as my lowest secondary lmao
just sub tings
Good
the dream
a lot of caffeine and nicotine usually
I'm halfway there then
By only doing 2 at a time
Yeh that was me the past 3 years. Just uni and games
That's also me currently actually
Ill have work and games this summer 
Ill probably let irl get in the way this summer tbh
Might take another break from raiding so i have more flexible free time
And just play other shit
Yeh that's a good plan
always a good idea
I mean, if it sims higher it sims higher

whhat do u guys prefer as Phial ? I feel like versa flask is not doing good in Raid
vers is still best iirc 
i feel like elemental chaos is bettter than that even
and why should it not feel like its doing good, they all are passive stat boosts lol
you dont "feel" any difference at all
but ... but... 
Well you're just wrong
Also vers in raid in particular is really good because it increases your defensives as well.
that is the only reason ı keep using it tbf
The only reason?
Not the fact that it increases your dps more than elemental chaos as well?
lol
better in every way
just doesnt feel it

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Hey aspiring Sin player here: I got a quick question I hope someone can answer for me, in the sepsis build, what's the logic on the 4 min DM? do you hold Sepsis an entire minute or do you just send it on CD? or is it more like send it if you would lose out an entire additional cast otherwise save it? couldn't see anything on the faq nor the pin regarding that part
I would highly recommend that you read through the pins again
Because it's definitely there
This is the TLDR in #1065730164077645916
But basically you send everything on cooldown, except for Exsanguinate
Clearly I am blind thank you!
No worries, good luck!
Yeah check the pins sim yourself yada yada
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Speaking of phials did they do some sort of a hot fix on it or something? It use to break stealth and now it doesn’t. I’m wondering if it was a fix or some weird interaction with Slime Boots
Also I’m speaking on Corrupting Rage damage
Yes they fixed the random proc breaking stealth
The proc from taking damage still breaks stealth though, as does the class trinket
So hopefully those get changed too 
can toxified armor patch embellish a weapon?
No
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Correct 
Basically limits it to belt or bracers unless you’re doin 4pc with one off set leather
guys any addon / WA for tracking Sep timer?
thanks a lot
so first dm and 3rd dm
ye
its a 3min cd
and both are a exsang DM
word
just macro to DM and forget it exists
pls pin opener for sepsis without exsang , i am braindead
Am brain dead. Was able to find by brain dead self
open pin
click the blue assa TC research
has all informations
Sepsis better now than bonespike?
thnks
Welcome to the uldaman prison
i'm dumb though. don't understand all the info there =p just wanna know which one is better overall now XD
what's in uldaman
besides the cancer 2nd boss
ring
for me it's like 600 dps more
there's even a better ring in raid, but uldaman has best farmable
yah.............................
i've done like 7 uldamans today, saw ring drop twice. for someone else.
for what???
Eternal sentry's ring
!fuu
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use what sims best for you
yeah i think pulsing veins from UR sims better only if it has a socket and its like .47% better
is onyx amulet worth it for assa this season?
pretty sure its bis for every spec
oh nice
Mines got 1k on sub until I get a bomb dispenser or beacon for sun. Have fragment of sin. Sepsis fuuuucks
It’s gameplays so smooth
Actually like exang for once
Which is a shocker
Bomb dispenser went to trial who a week later rescinded his trial
Haven’t seen one since
First beacon drop went to the brm for obvious reasons
Our sark drops were trash too. Daggers and belts everywhere when I already have 447s
Vault tomorrow 
Kinda crap that we killed 3 mythic and there’s nothing good off 1st three. Basically wasted vault slot
i mean you could get a mythic tierpiece
Our brm is mad he's last prio for it
Dunno. Raid lead thinks DPS trinket should go to DPS players first.
Even though it was 10k for him and 3k for the rest of us
Our raid leads usually pretty on point about stuff, was a weird call.
did he also give torch to tanks last in 10.0?
if brew didn't crit that trinket for 2.5million

Yes
What is it about brm that makes that trinket insanely good?
I'm not familiar with brm
Nah, it's good but gets replaced later
Weapons of Order Buffs everything
Same thing here ^
They can buff it with one of their cds
is there a way to remove the healthbars from nameplates?
Depends on your gear, but full bis is Scalebane + Neltharion ring
How did sepsis exsang sin and rotten sub become the meta. Outlaw unironically least cancer this patch
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@spice spire did you like my shitpost

Most fun ive had playing spec in the last year or two
Sepsis Sin with no exsang is better
too many exang haters
Pretty sure exsang Sims higher
well i should have worded that better, playing without mangaging exsang is better... exsang does sim higher than no by a few percent
Its so sexy i know
Its so hot when u get that pandemic sepsis garrote after ur dm+exang run out 😩
you guys are masochists.
echoing reprimand
i got it as i was thinking about it... looked at hte tree and was like ... duh
hehe
thanks
@balmy condor the top link in your chart under DTB for sepsis with exsang the quick link to the sim is showing KB as the final not DTB...
Yah I’m fixing it soon
Just got out of bed
Me have been case of the sleepo
so, o actually allr eady had it and it didn'telp
thanks, and sleep is always king... if i could sleep for a living i would
beat you to it

beat it to you
mommy

shuts down fast and walks away
hmmm, storm eater's boon is still relevant for M+?
Yep
neat... item restoration ftw lol
before when we were using SBS we would exsang before DM but now its after?
did you use the cvar in the description?

No
ahhhh. cool it works now, thanks
We didnt use exsang before
we did, but i thought it was before the DM, and now its used after so during or after it expires?
okay... for some reason i was reading that all backwards... i guess i need more sleep -_-...
Officers wanted to bench me on H Sarka for "low add dps" when 5 of our dps were under 60k
i'm already in a better guild

the only fight i can see a sin sitting on is Assault of the Zaqali do to the AoE required. the rest i don't see a reason
granted thats if you also don't play sub on the side to just switch to
assault has aoe?
what kinda guild benches people on a heroic boss

assault is aoe phase 1... cleave to st phase 2
i'm confused
uh... okay then...
although then sin isn't great either because you get thrashed on burst
Pro Tip
you don't really want to avoid any of them
they're all good
maybe you replace head, or maybe you replace chest if you find the perfect 447
but it's hard
bad ones 
i was going to say... sin barely starts going if you kill him in 50 secs... granted that seems like something a top in mythic guild will do not the average guild
!whispyr
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as far as i konw the adds should be cleaved down as a whole... paladins, frost dks... there are better cleave classes that should be doing it while you st boss
sitting for add dmg as far as i konw is more or less showing there are other issues they need to cover for if adds are taking to long to die
Where are we fitting fragment in on pull?
Macro to dm and forget it
oh the jokes doesn't end here
we had
3 fury warrior
1 enh sham
2 BM hunter
1 ret
1 evoker
But i'm the one called out for "low add damage"
couldnt you just play the m+ build on assault
he really thought it was about to FoK>Rupture every add
i did on normal i think
and it did fine
havent done heroic assault yet but
i guess youd probably lose too much damage
its a weird fight... other than like 2 adds and boss the rest die fast
LOL... i play a cleave ST build on the fight... ST but drop VR for CT and just go... its not the best or most effective way to play it but i wasn't bottom so i had no complaints
!fuu
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thats a big joke... we have 4 ret paladins, and 3 bm hunters some nights... cleave is done by them
but the arcane mage doing 50k was untouchable :)
Benching in heroic 
i'm in a better guild now, got 2 offers within the hour i updated my wowp :)
i want to go farther than just a AOTC guild but i know i'm only so so
I would like to do more than aotc but work sucks
granted my guild think i'm really good because i do full click over keybind... i just can't switch styles
Just try to orange parse and flex on the guildies
wtf
??
What does full click mean? As in you click your abilities?
yes... i don't use any keybinds

they think i'm good because i keep up with them and place top 5 in the guild on some fights
Clicking is super bad, but you do you
Doesn't really matter if you're not doing any high end content
True
that sounds more like your guild is really bad
and you are the only guy that presses stuff in the right order
keybinds don't magically make you better at the game
they do
they shorten reaction times and free up your hand
that's an instant improvement
Free up the hand for other stuff 
it's not mandatory for all content but it is better
a lot easier to move your camera when you're not clicking abilities
ya
I move by holding down right mouse and strafing. Would never be able to click abilities
people can get hof by clicking a majority of their buttons so it's not like it's impossible to play the game
it's just worse
Is there someone who's done that?
Oh yeh, tanks are a bit of a different topic
i also know a ret paladin who clicks who was probably 50-100 wr below hof
raid tanking
Imagine an outlaw rogue clicker
lol
I’ll be impressed af
oh god
yea raid tanking is prob easier to do it lol
imagine fury warrior clicker
outlaw is fury with more buttons
OSU on the action bars 🤣

oh for sure it is
Tanks don't necessarily want to use up every single gcd
but its the same thing ya
at least the people i've met do it that way
Whereas dps players generally do
The problem with clicking is that you have to coordinate your mouse around the screen and looking at your bars and where you're clicking
Instead of looking at your character or weak auras
and the fact that 80% of raid tanking is borderline done half asleep cus you do nothing really
who looks at their bars?...
You'll just randomly die out of the blue because you're looking at your Envenom icon instead of your character
You're telling me you're a clicker who doesn't look at their bars?
How do you click your abilities if you don't look at your bars
and where you click
That's not a thing
Clicking the naga keybinds 
Jokes aside I just got nostalgia the first time I played wow and clicked like a madman 
clicking autoattack fast because clicking fast=hitting faster, right
I have the opener on its own action bar and click my way through it. Works 100% every time.
Why bother, just make a macro and press one button 10 times
Sequencing 🤯
idk... i have my ui memorized
never look longer than a quick glance for procs
!whispyr
Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev
no, just doing research for Sark
suuuuure
Are you guys using numbing or atrophic poisons in keys?
Honestly doesn't really matter as long as you just use something
Atrophic for high tyr, numbing for fort for the tank friends
atrophic if you push high keys
numbing for everything with pugs and fort, cus numbing reduces the dmg a tank takes by a good chunk, and makes interupts more easy
Id say just play numbing until you find a situation where you feel like you need atrophic
but like, 90% of the time its numbing
ye, atrophic beeing "needed" is like, +27keys on tyrannical lmao
!fuu
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Awesome, thanks!
Yeah, i wont be doing anything higher than 22 prob
just want my portals usually hah
Some leaders in M+ asked me if I've got 2pc/2pc set instead of 4pc? (I just put note with "4pc" whenever I apply)
Why would they ask such a thing?
I dunno if it's just gear diff or what
but this tier I feel like I perform way better since I returned to wow. Last tier i've beem garbage.
But it's also very hard to compare to other players when there's only like 200-300 sin parses with vast ilvl difference.
I used to be good 🥲
Idk man.
I just press buttons, boss is kill, endorphins, then the voices return
Do the voices tell you to find Burritos?
hi guys! can anyone help me? my friend guild has high problem to parse more than 20, and he can't figure his errors
https://it.warcraftlogs.com/reports/PhxF29Hqm6t1JKbX/#fight=7&type=damage-done&source=18
any help would be appreciated tnx in advice (sorry for my bad spelling)
Ok, apparently Sub is using 2pc/2pc. 
Hello! At the moment you can probably use wow analyzer to fix because @main vessel did a great job integrating the stuff for us
!logs
Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage
Link: https://wowanalyzer.com/
Is a solid help
If you need something beyond the basic go over, have no issues helping 🙂
My goal in life is to now torture you in fel hammer 

I already got the first one ready 
quake is toxic now... noted... 
It’s okay
Quick question: What % Haste should I be shooting for running Sin in Raid?
For the most part my “toxic” bits are for those I’m fond of and more jokingly than not
Above 0.
There’s no set number you want.
Essentially, single-target PvE situations.
Whatever sims best? Use that item
!fuu
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!whispyr
Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev
Anyone know if the Harlan's Dice proc increases with ilvl?
I'm asking because the Spreadsheet (Fuu) shows using Wafting Enchant on MH....a Haste enchant. And the Gems are Crit+Haste.
You can check Whispyr too
They have different builds
but sim the same
Yeah there’s no set shtick.
It’s really just whatever sims best, slap it on
Hmmm....both spreadsheets show BiS setups using Wafting on one. For me, when I sim Wafting is only 100 dps behind double Sophic.
then don't run it
Where did i see a chart for equivalent ilvls of the eranog ring for rogue specs?
4 set buffs slimy boots?
No
!fuu
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ermm, is leeching poison not workin for anyone else 
have untalented locked in & retalented
swapped specs
nothin
poisons applied?^^
Have to reapply after brez
lmfao yes
wasn't brez'd
unless just mass rez after a pull you mean
yo wait it worked that pull
???
just to make sure^^
poisons?

if you rezone at all you also have to reapply it
it's annoying as fuck
oh wait wtf how long has this been a thing
has what been a thing
a crumb of context sir
whoops, didn't realize i was so late to seeing the last bits. the leeching poison issues
If you have a prog fight where you’re in execute for awhile, could droppikg SBS and picking up 3/3 of that poison/bleed node be worth?
Depends on kill time
But you wouldn’t do it with sbs I think
It happens with sepsis on mythic rashok
You drop exsang and run double shiv venom rush, drop shrouded put the extra point into zold
It’s giga min-max though and sorta completely unnecessary imo
!whispyr
Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev
am I wrong or is the sepsis exsang and sepsis noexsang builds in the tc post about sepsis the same exact thing? @balmy condor
Ignore me, I see that now, Idk what I was doing. sorry for the ping!
ah ok good deal. its too late and I clearly was copy/pasting wrong lol
thanks for all you do!
My pleasure
aight
thats a scary aight
we gonna try something
next thing we see whispyr has cold blood instead of sepsis
nah KB is returning
returning if you have the clown transmog on 
you dont like kb?
my temporary fix is sepsis build
the exsang+kingsbane+sepsis build without venomous wounds and seal fate inc?
and without cttc
ofc without cttc
wait even better, you add shadowdance into the mix instead of er
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If you can/can't see the formatting, please react to the message accordingly. I tried it earlier in a pin a couple weeks back and it didn't work, but it seems to maybe be working everywhere now hopefully? FaQ boutta be a lot cleaner if it does
works on mobile 
on phone and can see it
You got iphone or android?
used to be able to Google
Search the world's information, including webpages, images, videos and more. Google has many special features to help you find exactly what you're looking for.
and it would hyper link
I guess like that
and it would just say "Google" and be linked
but I can't get it to work
think they removed that
would be clean sadge













