assassination

[subtle tundra]

cause it has been a bit

[tacit otter]

i think whispyhr mentioned that he will update pin when that happens, so i assume no

[gusty mirage]

But if exsang is a loss for you without it, it’s prolly within margin with the APL

[subtle tundra]

its a "loss"

[gusty mirage]

So pretty much irrelevant

[subtle tundra]

(9 dps)

8 actually

[gusty mirage]

I think the changes were submitted yesterday so that’s why idk if it’s nightly yet or not

[tacit otter]

i see, guess we have to wait and see

[gusty mirage]

Yeah not sure what the implementation process is for simc

But worst case by tomorrow probably?

[steel ridge]

thats the way

[cunning nest]

so in conclusion exsang is (=will sim) better?

(no worry, I will still play without it xD)

[austere lintel]

This may be a stupid question but, what does vanish > imp garrote > deathmark, differs from DM > vanish > imp garrote in terms of dps? Does DM buff the imp garrote even when its cast afterwards?

[cunning nest]

yes, it does

probably

miss the first tick

but not that big of a deal

[woeful meteor]

dm > vanish > gar gives 5 cp from shrouded

while doing it before gives only 3

[tacit otter]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[austere lintel]

Ye. Thats why I usualy do dm > vanish > gar
But most logs ive seen, ppl been doing vanish > gar > dm

[tacit otter]

it weirds me out that my sim wants me to replace onyx with 441 rings without socket

[woeful meteor]

with sepsis you never vanish start of dm tho

[austere lintel]

oh no

this is 2min dm

not talking about opener

[woeful meteor]

at 2 min you imp from sepsis goes into dm tho

unless I'm lost rn

so you still dont vanish start

[austere lintel]

ok so

this is the log im looking at rn. Its the 7th parse on 1st both mythic

He has the imp garrote rolling from 2:11 ish

because of sepsis

1st boss*

[woeful meteor]

his dm is at 2:23 so something is off here

[tacit otter]

why does the quick sim link from whispyrs sheet link me to a kingsbane sim? am i dumb

[austere lintel]

the first dm was at 11s

he maybe targeted by a mechanic that delayed the 2nd one

[woeful meteor]

then its whatever

assuming no downtime your vansih shouldnt be at the start of dm

[cunning nest]

yo @gusty mirage you still there? I've got a question for Sepsis opener without exsang

At the point where I cast envenom, I have only 3 cp, which feels off. Is this right?

[woeful meteor]

its not

just send er before the envenom

[cunning nest]

okay wowhead is false then

[austere lintel]

but vanish isnt on the gcd, so wouldnt it be ok do dm > vanish during gcd > gar to gain full value of gar dmg and more CPs?

[woeful meteor]

it's probably withing like 0,1% dps of you vanish > gar > dm or do it after and in an ideal scenario you will never vanish the start of your dm

I'd personally always vanish inside dm, unless gar would drop on the global I'm casting dm, since I like getting 5 cp but it doesn't matter

[austere lintel]

likewise

[cunning nest]

I looked up the best parsing sin without PI on 5th boss now. His opener is different. He dm's right after sepsis; shiv and then ER. Seems not that stupid; that way first garrote isn't wasted to early.

Any thoughts?

[woeful meteor]

It's the opener, as long as you get you bleeds up, snd active and everything on cd without breaking some fundamental rules of the spec your going to be fine

[proper tapir]

The opener is discussed here: #1065730164077645916 message

[woeful meteor]

People just overvalue the opener in how much it affects your dmg, because its the easiest part to practice

[torpid haven]

hello lads, is that a big problem if i play with %1 haste on single target raid progress or i must get at least 800 haste something etc ?

[woeful meteor]

[proper tapir]

Nah, sounds like a blast 🙂 we don't do stat breakpoints and thresholds here. We just sim what gear we have

[torpid haven]

it's just a simple question, whether the amount of haste makes a huge difference in single target.

[woeful meteor]

You can only play with the gear you have and if you wanna play sin play it

[proper tapir]

Same answer as above, but if you'd like I can give you the troll answer of, "you NEED 34% crit for Sin"... It's not true but I'll say it if it'll make you feel better

[heady drum]

200 dps diff for me currently

p chill

[winter vapor]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[royal lantern]

34% is not a choice

34% is a call from beyond to ascend into a higher stage

[heady drum]

i just regemmed from -23 haste

[cunning nest]

yeah dude, you are absolutely right. I made my own openers from my guts for multiple expansions and always succeeded with it; before DF

exsang did this to me in the last few months...

[tacit wedge]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/aBnfhrCy4H7GKXDZ can someone help me avoid the bench? Thought i did well, wowanalyzer isn't telling me any major mistakes, and my RL says i'm doing poorly so i might get benched for Mythic

[remote oak]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[tacit wedge]

Like, i thought i did well on Magmorax because i parsed 78, but he said i only did 34 ilvl%

[runic hinge]

Tell him ilvl is irrelevant

[tacit otter]

RL looking at ilvl parse is a sad thing damn

[runic hinge]

It’s a small sample size and it doesn’t take into account things like new 4 set or your main hand being lower or other discrepancy’s.

[tacit wedge]

bro my ass is on the line and i doubt i'll find a guild without falling behind, i can't just screenshot that and send him that 💀

he said i have 1 more week

[tacit otter]

if he expects you to increase your ilvl parse magicly then i dont have any tips haha

[storm belfry]

Ilvl parse is irrelevant

Sounds like you need a better team

[deft flicker]

If ilvl parses is what he’s interested in - replace a couple of your slots with some 370 gear during next raid. Ilvl drops significantly, you get into a lower bracket while retaining most of your damage

[proper tapir]

Drop your max ilevel by using lower wrist and maybe cape

[heady drum]

buy a ring off ah

[deft flicker]

Show your raid leader that his takes are more cooked than a mcdonalds egg

[tacit wedge]

bro, i'm shitting on half of the rosters despite not getting PI&windfury

idk what more he wants from me

[deft flicker]

He wants to be a clown

[tacit otter]

he seems like a person you cant reason with tbh

[storm belfry]

Like I said. Sounds like you need a better team

Dude doesn’t know what he’s talking about

[runic hinge]

It definitely sounds like he has it out for you and is just looking for an excuse

are you on his tier token or his e-gf's?

[tacit wedge]

prob his e-gf, i got that rizz

I'M SAVED

[gloomy knoll]

Are you sure this isn’t a mechanical issue

[deft flicker]

YOOOO

[gloomy knoll]

Is he really going after your 78 damage ???

[deft flicker]

[runic hinge]

LETS GOOO

[gloomy knoll]

Nvm lol

[tacit wedge]

tbf my brain is the smoothest thing that exist

no wrinkles=no thought=no sad

[deft flicker]

Aerodynamic, I like it

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/bingus-smooth-brain-gif-19433430

[tacit wedge]

thanks for the laugh too guys, love you all

[storm forum]

How do I get a smaller brain like that? Can I do it with a coat hanger?

[spice spire]

I ought to ban you @royal lantern

Ifunny.co in my holy assassination chat 🤨

Mf thinks he’s @wild lantern

[wild lantern]

brother you've seen what I post from iFunny I'd set the banned from ravenholdt speedrun any% record

[spice spire]

True

[royal lantern]

huh

whats the problem

but why dumb

what am i missng

oh ye, reading it now

[tacit wedge]

technically he's the guildmaster and acts as the middle man between officers/raidleader and trials

but ye, i will start looking to bail

[gusty mirage]

you're missing out on people speculating why someone is or isn't in mythic with the rest of the raid team

and so far we have "lol egirl"

[tacit wedge]

i've been thru worse (sexual harassment)

[royal lantern]

ah yes

Gamer moments

🙂

[viscid spear]

Had a girl in one of my old guilds that was

1. Mute
2. Couldn't afford a webcam
3. Never posted an irl pic
   

Gee whiz, I wonder why 🍆

[grim jay]

thats wild

[tacit wedge]

was asked to post nudes of me&my gf if we got CE
we didn't went past Spider

🙂

[viscid spear]

Clearly not intention

[grim jay]

my guild leads both are women

[balmy condor]

It was me

[grim jay]

luckily they would immediately kick anyone like that

😄

[tacit wedge]

at least this guild is treating me with human decency when i talk about my partner

[viscid spear]

[storm belfry]

Gm

[tacit wedge]

and seem to acknowledge queer women exists

[storm belfry]

[viscid spear]

[storm belfry]

Er good afternoon

[viscid spear]

2pm here on BEast coast

[balmy condor]

Ichi ni san, nyaa…..ari…..gato…..

[gusty mirage]

how are you awake already

[deft flicker]

hug

[balmy condor]

Ah is it awake already, or still awake

[viscid spear]

S(he) didn't know Japanese, stop ruining my 10-year-long fantasy

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/big-trouble-if-i-speak-if-i-speak-i-am-in-big-trouble-speak-big-gif-23519858

[balmy condor]

Unlucky

[balmy condor]

See you don’t know, and that’s the fun part

[viscid spear]

I'm almost sure it was a dude, but couldn't prove it

[storm belfry]

Same

My note on my character in my guild is “mute but not really”

Oh wow I didn’t finish the rest of the gif

[gusty mirage]

my details name is wish.com jpc

[tacit wedge]

i barely speak outside of m+

[storm belfry]

I didn’t even put that note lmao

[tacit wedge]

colossal trust issues in my fellow guildmates to act as human being around a woman

[storm belfry]

To be honest it’s cause my mic is pretty iffy so for a long time it wasn’t working. So I’d be mute in discord but typing as response. Then I got it to work and ppl were like “who tf is that? Oh!”

But now it works and I talk

[viscid spear]

points to Discord note

[balmy condor]

DID YOU SAY FEMALE?

[tacit wedge]

yeah, just someone saying "female" means i wont play with them outside of raid

[balmy condor]

Based

[viscid spear]

[storm belfry]

[rocky ruin]

I always thought whisypr is our Onee Chan

[visual hemlock]

i have a question, so i vanish and apply empowered garrote and then few seconds later i get sepsis garrote, do i rewrite my empowered garrote? or is sepsis garrote also considered empowered?

[rocky ruin]

It is empowered

[tacit wedge]

sepsis garrote is empowered

[visual hemlock]

my ui doesnt show it empowered so i had questions

[tacit wedge]

you're using Luxthos weakaura?

[rocky ruin]

You could use wa to show it

[steel ridge]

@gusty mirage i lived! 3M in the bag and 441 Dagger in my Hand!

[tacit wedge]

because afaik, they haven't updated the WA yet to track the sepsis garrote

[visual hemlock]

just my buff icons, i see that next garrote is empowered when i am in stealth, but i dont see same icon when sepsis is pressed

[rocky ruin]

Ye but it is simple fix

[visual hemlock]

didnt play sepsis in sl, so brand new ability for me

[gusty mirage]

I told you

[royal lantern]

afenars wa package?

[balmy condor]

They’re correct but I want to add if you do the rotation properly you should never run into this situation

If at any point in time you vanish -> garrote and a sepsis garrote is available during it

Somethings wrong

[ripe bone]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[steel ridge]

my nose itched a little, must have been you thinking of me

[visual hemlock]

the first time you use sepsis you use garrote and then few seconds later boss didnt die, so i get another free sepsis garrote

thought i rewrite it somehow

[balmy condor]

Yeah

You cast sepsis, that’s the first garrote

When it ends you get the second garrote

Which you hold as long as possible to extend the first

But it never overlaps a vanish

[visual hemlock]

i see i just didnt know i can hold on and not press it immediately

thanks for helping

[balmy condor]

Yeah it’s a 10 second buff so it’s always sepsis->gar to empower the garrote, wait till sepsis expires, get new 10 second buff, hold it, then garrote towards the end

You got it

[steel ridge]

notters WA is bis for sepsis

[visual hemlock]

also i guess while you wait for second sepsis garrote, dont use free ambush xD

[steel ridge]

you can

its fixed, that it doesnt consume sepsis when you blindside

[visual hemlock]

do we play sepsis in m+ over exsanguinate?

[pseudo hamlet]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/vPAUF4oAaRPdKGHocK6xnE
421 puzzle box > 441 Neltharion?

[storm belfry]

KekL

[pseudo hamlet]

Am I doing something wrong? I've simmed sepsis, sepsis + exsang, sbs + exsang, and puzzle box is still higher

[gusty mirage]

our class trinket is terrible

well

not terrible

but 421 box is still good

get into halls of infusion and farm that fragment

[pseudo hamlet]

It sims higher for M+ at least...

[gusty mirage]

#assassination message

[spice surge]

Its really weird how theyve tuned the trinket from the penultimate boss to just, not be good

Its okay for spriests but they would love for it to have anything but vers on it

[cerulean walrus]

I got a fragment and I’m not even playing Sin (yet) this tier

Would have traded to the lock if I could

But it was an upgrade

[pseudo hamlet]

Yeah, M+ is only thing what's good about it. Just thought that I won't be having a casting trinket in raids but here I am... time to farm Halls!

[dry bough]

Hi, any weakaure for SEPSIS i wanna see buff timer to refresh garrote at last sec!

[frigid kestrel]

https://wago.io/Lgy47ma7G

[gusty mirage]

laughs in warlock

[spice surge]

Well ye i was referring to our trinket

[gusty mirage]

funny how they missed the mark on every single one except the one warlocks use

eh?

[spice surge]

I mean the warlock one is essentially just an extra on-use trinket

With the only caveat of that it cant be used on pull, which actually is relevant

[gusty mirage]

and the rest are random procs

that got nerfed

[spice surge]

Ye but why arent they random procs that atleast sim good

[gusty mirage]

well you see

they buffed them

and then nerfed the ppm

[royal lantern]

[runic hinge]

Worst part of the class trinket is it always Procs at the end of a pack and keeps me from stealth into the next one

[spice surge]

Well they only made em not scale with haste

[storm belfry]

And our warlock got it this past week

Dudes gonna fucking blast outta this world next week

[dusty trellis]

!wuu

[fallen charm]

anyone else finding it hard to get a better ring than Melandro's for single target?

[cerulean walrus]

[pseudo hamlet]

I was in halls with a lock that did ~230k on the froggy boss with that trinket(and rest of his high gear of course). Overall ~140k.

[storm belfry]

We will get there

[cerulean walrus]

Yeah. Next tier

[fallen charm]

we started last season on top and the total lack of buff got us to the bottom

now that we are at the bottom, no place else to got but up

[cerulean walrus]

Or just stay down

[fallen charm]

just get in a dungen as sub and say "oh, sin is better here" and swap specs

that's what I do to not get kicked from keys

🙂

[pseudo hamlet]

After resimming with upgraded wrists suddenly the Neltharion trinket is better than 421 puzzle box.

[storm belfry]

Idk I’ve done 125ish on halls

Before 4p

[storm belfry]

[fallen charm]

I wish I had a good passive trinket

I hate having to press the bomb instead of macroing it together on every keybind I have

[winter gale]

In sepsis build where is 1st vanish being used?

On 3rd apllication of Garrote?

For 3rd application*

[pseudo hamlet]

you can't bind it to mutilate/envenom or something?

[fallen charm]

#1065730164077645916 message

[royal lantern]

!uwu

[pseudo hamlet]

Oh I see, it's double on use so IF could be on CD while DM

[fallen charm]

Do not Vanish in your opener, hold for the second half of your 2min deathmark

[pure moth]

You wait until the 2min deathmark

[fallen charm]

yeah IF is the problem

if we had a good passive trinket, the bomb would basically be a passive too

[gentle gyro]

one of these took a lot more effort than the other.
rogue tank spec when?

[undone eagle]

How come zerocool has 2 crafted items 447? am i missing something out?

[gentle gyro]

i can legit just run my own key as tank with 392 ilvl and complete it, meanwhile i can't time a 16 for the life of me

[undone eagle]

i thought we can only have 1 crafted item atm

[gentle gyro]

wdym? you can have 2 sparks

[undone eagle]

rly?

[gentle gyro]

yes

[undone eagle]

where the heck is my 4th splintered spark wtf

ive spammed high keys m+ and cleared hc etc

[gentle gyro]

i got boots / bracers with toxic patch

[undone eagle]

i only have total of 3

[gentle gyro]

you did the intro "quest" for it that gave you an additional one in Loamm, yes?

[undone eagle]

hmm i remember i got 2 pieces of that in Loam yeah

[storm belfry]

The rep quest gives a shard every week

So go make sure you grabbed it

The 1500 rep

[undone eagle]

oh it drops from that 1500 rep quest with bag item?

[storm belfry]

Yes

[undone eagle]

riiight

im missing out

thanks dude

[storm belfry]

You should aim to do that every week

[undone eagle]

yea

So every week we get only 1 part of splintered?

[fallen charm]

it only drops from M+, rares, etc if you didn't grab the last week's quest

[undone eagle]

great then thnx, so i know every 2nd week a spark is rdy 😄

[storm belfry]

Yes

[strange python]

I feel crazy, but sin looks like a better spec for sark than sub?

[modest glen]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[sweet dawn]

Anyone here taking CT on Sarkareth?

Or just full ST

[fallen charm]

full st

[pure moth]

Full st

[strange python]

Would prob take CT to parse but it's not really what your job is

If you're bringing a sin or even sub rogue to sark you want them to blast boss

[fallen charm]

the melandro's ring is too broken, I need to put a socket to make another ring worth it

[sinful island]

Do we use Crimson Tempest on single target when talented?

[fallen charm]

2+

[signal kayak]

Evasion tank would be sick

[blissful patio]

!logs

[prisma monolith]

Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage

Link: https://wowanalyzer.com/

[royal lantern]

brewmaster exist

[signal kayak]

nah

[drifting cloud]

socket is less than 900 dps, so that doesnt make sense

[signal kayak]

thats get hit and staggered

[royal lantern]

mate

[signal kayak]

not actual evasion

[royal lantern]

brew litearlly dodges every 2nd or 3rd melee hit against them

thats the entire mastery

[signal kayak]

I just want a rogue tank spec XD

so fine another evasion tank

[undone eagle]

guys idk if this is crazy or not but i still got 421 crafted ring (Signet of titanic insight) with the mastery boost above 90% health & it still sims higher than 441 rings which has crit/mastery aswell

is the embellishment bugged for sim or its just that op?

[drifting cloud]

:?

[undone eagle]

either way i have to replace it later on when i get my boots 441

447*

[drifting cloud]

youre comparing an embelishment to a non embelishment

[undone eagle]

yea exactly

should i gnore that shit? since ill replace it either way

im gonna go for the boots + wrist combo

[drifting cloud]

you need to sim the embelishment youre replacing it with same time

and you will see its a huge gain

[undone eagle]

thing is im gear comparing with scalebane signet & skyshard ring with the 421 crafted one

im not going to craft another 447 ring with embellishent though xD

[drifting cloud]

thats not the point, the embelishment isnt strong, but its still stronger than 20 ilvls

so ofc its not going to be an upgrade

[runic hinge]

Wouldn’t the sim assume you’re full health the whole time making the mastery oversim a bit too?

[undone eagle]

yea Tony thats what i was thinking about

and most of time im not above 90 😂

im doing patchwerk sim

[runic hinge]

If cheat isn’t on cd what are you even taking it for is what I always say

[undone eagle]

Either way, I'll just ignore this crafted ring and replace it ASAP when i get my boots + wrist crafts toxified combo

[gaunt moat]

So sepsis+exsang
i run into the issue that if i pot on pull, i don't have pot for 2nd exsang.
do you guys hold dm/exsang one minute for pot?

[balmy condor]

If you’re not gonna miss a cast, yeh

[jaunty dew]

What's our crafting prios for sparks?

weapons or embelishments?

[royal lantern]

if weapon is a really big upgrade weapon

then boots->wrist/belt for toxic patch

after that just start using crafted gear to fill slots

[jaunty dew]

Currently running 421/415 from s1

[blissful patio]

!log

[prisma monolith]

Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage

Link: https://wowanalyzer.com/

[jaunty dew]

crafted weapon and fenryr fang

[balmy condor]

would probably craft a weapon

but yeh

tryan's correct

if you can yoink a dagger from m+ for example

or a heroic dagger of any kind

and just upgrade that to 441 with crests

you can skip the dagger craft

at least for now

you'll probably want to go back and craft one eventually

but re-prioritizing is possible

[lean fossil]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[strange python]

I crafted dagger then we dropped 2 on h sark and 2 on m kaz 😦

Week 1

Does sepsis/exsang do anything for our PI value? I know we're nowhere near warlocks, but surely higher than 3k DPS

[gaunt moat]

I ranked 24 on zaqali assault.
looking on parse > 68%
HUH?

oh. there's only 64 sin parses

[balmy condor]

It’s pretty much the same as sbs exsang

Which is the submitted profile on bloodmallet

[strange python]

Surprised it's so low

[strange python]

No one's playing sin

[balmy condor]

Yeh I mean haste is weir

[strange python]

Maybe my "sark is actually a sin fight" logic doesn't pan out

[balmy condor]

Sark’s all on timers like raz I think

Execute seems real good on rashok

And like maybe zskarn

But outside of that it’s looking a bit questionable

[gaunt moat]

I'm someone 🥲

[strange python]

I'm not really sure why but I beat my sim by about 10% on rashok as sub

Like, consistently. Across all our pulls

And I under-crit on beacon

But sim seems fine on mag, rashok, zskarn, forgotten, and idk, I still think sark.

[lapis osprey]

got a 95 parse on aberrations

[junior olive]

yall use BP on H Neltharion??

[lapis osprey]

all the practicing paid off

[strange python]

Wrong channel. But also no.

[lapis osprey]

@balmy condor I USED EXSANG AFTER DEATHMARK WHEN THE BOSS WAS DYING TO GET FULL DAMAGE I'M SMART AM I NOT

[junior olive]

oops my bad

[rocky raven]

anyone else feel underwhelmed by the new 4set bonus?

[lapis osprey]

Say you are proud

[strange python]

Neltharion only has one add worth killing and 2target isn't good for BP.

Otherwise you're just padding BP on corrupted allies.

Which is funny but troll

[balmy condor]

how long until the boss was dead

[lapis osprey]

No clue I need to check the logs probably

[fallen charm]

I've done this a couple times now

boss always dies when cds are getting up

gotta double that deathmark damage and milk 15k damage at least

[dark token]

Not as much as on sub lol

[solemn oracle]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[young briar]

Its beautiful

[burnt latch]

Why do u have 7+ kills on a boss week 2

[young briar]

Cus im obsessed with logs, so i rekill the boss to practice my rotation and the fight

Yknow, try an git gud

[burnt latch]

[young briar]

Exactly

it its not orange

im not happy

[burnt latch]

Wish i had your spirit

[limber lion]

You know what's next

The addiction keeps going

It never ends

[balmy condor]

I still don't have my heroic sark kill

[lapis osprey]

how do you practice? Just pugs?

[royal lantern]

got it today

441 crit mastery belt

[balmy condor]

we had dagger drop on our first kill

went to mage for mog

[drifting cloud]

wednesday gaming whispyr?

[tacit otter]

*if its not pink (in my case)

but feel you

[balmy condor]

my guild yes, me no

[drifting cloud]

yeah thats what I meant

[balmy condor]

yeah

we cleared all of normal and got to heroic sark on tuesday

and then wiped 5 times

and then they cleared second pull wednesday

[royal lantern]

wait wait

ranged didnt move with bombs

[balmy condor]

nah

people just flying off the edge

and standing in swirls

[royal lantern]

tbf

fuck swirls on the fight

purple swirlys on purple ground inside a purple aoe

[gilded parrot]

How bad would sepsis be in a dungeon scenario? I love playing it whenever possible

[vapid sierra]

dude the fuck

how you pulling that much

[royal lantern]

sepsis stockholm is going strong

[ebon cloud]

dont worry lil bro

@young briar

[gilded parrot]

What does this build tree look like?

[balmy condor]

the standard

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/xoC6QddsHnHxH5TYsGDrx2

it's in the combos

from my spreadsheet

[marble hemlock]

the no shrouded build

[balmy condor]

I mean

shrouded is kinda meh

[marble hemlock]

so is your AP build yet you try to sell it to everybody with a pulse

[gilded parrot]

Where can I find that? Sorry to be annoying, I’m not familiar with the discord that much yet

[balmy condor]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[balmy condor]

I don't, I just love AP

also AP is way worse than sepsis instead of shrouded

[royal lantern]

what

[balmy condor]

what

[royal lantern]

AP brainrot sets in

[spice surge]

You mustve had a grand time in bfa and legion if you love AP

Grinding that shit, so fun

[marble hemlock]

[drifting cloud]

wooooooooons

[spice surge]

CHAMPION

[young briar]

yes mate just pugs

[balmy condor]

every sin player: wow sepulcher 2 piece feels real nice in dungeons, love aoe shiv and bleed buff
also every sin player: haha AP sucks what a fucking loser whispyr is for liking the talent haha point and laugh

[young briar]

Damn dude, you aint gotta do me like that

[pure moth]

You still won, hes got 1 sub kill. You stayed sin.

[young briar]

However my Sark, Zskarn and Rashok Dmg is higher

[lucid birch]

[young briar]

if you compare the values

[royal lantern]

jokes on you, i didnt form a opinion on the sepulcher set because i didnt play during that tier

[balmy condor]

real

[balmy condor]

step 1. see bonus
step 2. form opinion
step 3. say opposite of step 2 when it comes back because undertuned = worst talent ever and why no kingsbane reeeeeeeee

it could've been kingsbane reeeeeeeeee

they killed kingsbane for AP so dumb reeeeeeee

[young briar]

Absolute virgin no lifing this spec

[royal lantern]

who hurt whisp

😦

[young briar]

Also this is me

[austere fulcrum]

we can play with 0 haste 🙂

sick

[balmy condor]

sin is super whatever about secondaries

as long as you have a ton of crit

and don't have infinite vers from an outlaw set or something

you can kinda do whatever

[split grail]

I was just going to ask. I only have 5% and raidbots is like "yeah that's fine"

[young briar]

Do you like my Stats @balmy condor

[balmy condor]

lot of vers

but aside from that no issue

[young briar]

So i got vers from Expulsion boots, Waist and loads from tier peices

so really i can only replace waist

[austere fulcrum]

yea ı am trying to keep haste around 10% at max and rest crit + mas

u can not hit cap on mastery so after 45% crit all can go mas ı guess

still trying min max and simming tho

[balmy condor]

yeh, it do be like that

usually I see more than 15% vers

and I'm like ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

you're like right over that imaginary line for me

I'm probably around there though as well honestly

I just never look at my secondaries so I have no clue

[austere fulcrum]

ı am around 10/11% vers with 4 set and no class trinket

cant go lower 😦

[young briar]

Excited to see what rank i am when it updates

[vapid sierra]

you got a vod?

wanna see if i can pick some secret sauce up

[young briar]

Thing is im a heroic pug andy, Im unable to find a mythic guild that works with my work hours and my weekends with my guild so ill only ever do mythic when its open for all realms

Umm i dont have a vod, i can link you the logs, but i stream aswell @ twitch,tv/ZugthugTV

Last stream i did some heroic pugs so you can look there

[dark token]

Nice 98 on sark what a noob

[gray horizon]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[arctic current]

Blizzard worked so hard making that Assault boss and its killed in 49 seconds... lol

[balmy condor]

49 seconds? Kinda slow kill tbh

[tiny axle]

(!whispyr

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[keen spruce]

a blessed prot paladin gave me a fragment

i'm free from the gulag

[lucid birch]

[keen spruce]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fFLXfZvnds5GcvwdMXjzPn

stonks rising

[young briar]

im not far off

[crystal citrus]

Hey guys, new to assassination and thought I had a good grasp on my rotation but my parse is extremely low. Anyone have a sec to take a look and see if there's anything obvious I'm messing up?

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/gc4Qh6FyWJp2BYbZ/#fight=last&type=damage-done&source=1

[tacit otter]

i only need a chest to drop from m+ then i reach 120k

[keen spruce]

this should have been a little earlier and with a vanish garrote to have empowered garrote during deathmark

and you didn't cast deathmark at 4 minutes

so you missed a full cast

[crystal citrus]

Should I try to line up exasnguinate an deathmark?

[keen spruce]

yeah this exang should just be held until 4 min

with deathmark

[crystal citrus]

So you open with both, then get 1 deathmark in at 2 minutes and exang / deathmark at 4?

[keen spruce]

yep

[crystal citrus]

gottcha thanks

[keen spruce]

and vanish garrote with deathmark

also your parses aren't gonna be great until you have tier bonuses

and more ilvl

[crystal citrus]

How many envenom do you get in shivs?

[keen spruce]

so don't worry too much about the number theree

[crystal citrus]

Appreciate that 🙂

11 was pretty bad to see haha

[keen spruce]

idk as many as you can based on what energy you have

I wouldn't worry about min/maxing that

[crystal citrus]

kk

appreciate the advice

[keen spruce]

[vapid sierra]

does wow anaylzxer owrk

[balmy condor]

it does

[vapid sierra]

fuck i meant to send that in sub

[balmy condor]

it does not

[vapid sierra]

it dont work for sub

sub is just too good to not prog on

waiting for sin buffs

[balmy condor]

they're probably not coming

sin is good

[vapid sierra]

is it?

ive always thought its around average

[balmy condor]

it's doing just as much, if not more boss damage than the other 2 rogue specs

idk

the downside of assa has always been that it can't aoe and can't swap targets

since the dawn of time

it's been boss damage andy

and it does that just as well as the other specs right now

and adds aren't really that important this tier

compared to previous ones

it's doing fine

it could get another couple % just to solidify the "I'm single target" niche versus whatever kind of crack they're feeding warlocks again

but its in no way bad

[pure comet]

My boss dmg is getting really around average or little less than other specs

Maybe im a bad player or need set bonuses

Gotta wait

[balmy condor]

I've been top 3-5 pretty consistently on our prog kills in mythic

[pure comet]

Im a 416 ilvl, which doesnt help much too

[balmy condor]

we had a 7% wipe on rashok on thursday and I was third on that with some execute juice left in the tank

[pure comet]

Youre much higher lvl in gameplay than me

[balmy condor]

yeah 416 is pretty behind

[pure comet]

Cant compare

[balmy condor]

my raids average ilvl is 437 atm

[vapid sierra]

shit

we're 432

[pure comet]

Damn

[balmy condor]

good chance we hit 440 average on tuesday

with vaults and such

[pure comet]

Which ST talent do you use in raids

Sepsis or the fang whatever its called

Trying to learn ST by now, im a aoe m+ player

[vapid sierra]

serrated bone spike?

[pure comet]

Ye

[vapid sierra]

it depends on what sims better for your profike

and what you enjoy

most people either play an exsang or a sepsis build

a few masochists play both but that shits just too much

[pure comet]

Well i play both bc wowhead

Lol

[balmy condor]

really only option atm in raids is sepsis

[vapid sierra]

their like 1% apart depending on your profile so play whichever you like more

[vapid sierra]

why?

ive been playing exsang on prog

since i still have puzzlebox

[balmy condor]

because sepsis without exsang is already better than sbs with, and sepsis with exsang is even better than that

[pure comet]

maybe wowhead isnt a trust worthy source

[balmy condor]

kind of offended

but okay

[vapid sierra]

its written by whispyr lmao

[pure comet]

Damn

Maybe it is tho

LOL

[vapid sierra]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[vapid sierra]

that contains like all the builds

[pure comet]

thanks, taking a look rn

[balmy condor]

wowheads up to date

[pure comet]

So yeah, sepsis + exsang, build is fine

Im shit

Gotta learn more

thanks guys

[balmy condor]

sepsis + exsang is the best build currently

[vapid sierra]

i actually havent given ti a try

what makles it so bad

too much to track?

[balmy condor]

wdym what makes it so bad

it plays exactly the same as it does with sbs

[vapid sierra]

doesnt it have a rep for being like bad to play?

[balmy condor]

it's unintuitive to new players

and kinda janky

[vapid sierra]

thats what i was thinkign about

[balmy condor]

but you said you were playing it with sbs

[vapid sierra]

guess i misunderstood the situation on it

[vapid sierra]

exsang?

yeah

[balmy condor]

yeah

[vapid sierra]

im talking about exsang+sepsis

[balmy condor]

yeah

it's the same thing

idk why you would like sbs exsang

and not sepsis exsang

[vapid sierra]

i didnt try it, i thought it was terrible to play

ill give it a try

[balmy condor]

it's

what

it's the same thign

it's exsang both ways

same gameplay

[vapid sierra]

do you just send sep on cd basically thats it

nothing changes

yiou just combine the rules for both

[balmy condor]

I mean yeah

you do your opener

then you exsang 4 min like normal

and then boss dead before 8 minutes

[runic hinge]

i got some orange parses today fam

[vapid sierra]

so then wouldnt you want to send exsang before the 8 minute by itself for that tiny damage gain/

[runic hinge]

in normal

[balmy condor]

because I doubt your boss lasts 7 minutes either

rashok is a 6:30 enrage

[vapid sierra]

wait

it plays kingsbane?

[balmy condor]

no the quick sim is fucked

[vapid sierra]

found it on the gear comapre

puzzle before dm per usual in the exsang sep opener?

[storm forum]

KB is the way friends

[balmy condor]

yeh but you really gotta get rid of that soon my guy lmao

[nimble tartan]

never pool energy

[vapid sierra]

im trying

hard when i get shit gear luck

[balmy condor]

back to halls of infusion with your ass

[vapid sierra]

lmaoo

[drifting cloud]

halls this week for trinket farming is a little despair

gonna do it next reset if vault is shit

[main vessel]

it's time for my semi-regular shitpost

get ready, this one's a doozy

[vital haven]

how do you make a sim with a specific timer

[balmy condor]

max_time=X
vary_combat_length=0

[vital haven]

just change max time to the desired length in advanced sim right?

[balmy condor]

will sim whatever X is

[vital haven]

nice ty whispyr

[balmy condor]

and ONLY whatever X is

vary_combat_length is a decimal in percent of max time

so max_time=300 and vary_combat_length=0.2 (which are the sim defaults), would be 300 seconds as the mean, and then +-20% (or 60 seconds)

iterations will have an equal distribution across a given range of time

[vital haven]

ty ty ❤️

[balmy condor]

np

[lucid birch]

[red atlas]

is it better using 2p 2p instead of 4p of previous tier?

[gusty mirage]

sim it

we don't know what ilvl the new pieces are or anything else about your character

it depends on the ilvl gain from the individual pieces

[grave nova]

i have no tier on this toon, is the raid build still viable?

the one in faq

[balmy condor]

yeah

faq is old 10.0 stuff still

[hasty vine]

really weird question, but is there a bug with sepsis where bosses reset when you're the last person alive and have the free stealth ability

noticed a few times not dying or having to vanish at the end of a wipe and i feel like it lines up with sepsis

[balmy condor]

it's possible there's jank

sepsis used to put you in stealth

in like

shadowlands beta

might be some left over stupids happening

[hasty vine]

yea not something i can really test, just noticed a few times

[gaunt moat]

I think that's very unlikely.
otherwise when soloing you'd also lose aggro.
bu if you've got any logs where you feel that happened you can show us

[spice spire]

@main vessel where shitpost

[lucid birch]

he’s cooking

[spice spire]

What is lil bro cooking?

I gots to know

[lucid birch]

kebab

[plain jewel]

whats better, r2 elemental chaos or r3 tepid vers?

[storm forum]

vers i think

[spice spire]

Nice

[tiny axle]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[runic hinge]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[fallen raven]

neat

did not win the two bomb dispensers that dropped but this'll do

[runic hinge]

It’s good for m+

[inner hare]

Do I run eranog ring with no shadowflame weapon enchants? Sims are saying it's a DPS loss to swap from Sophic

[balmy condor]

Then don’t do it

Dps loss = dps loss

[uncut dragon]

So question. On Rashok, if you are targeted for his slam and he gets LOS'd he just drops the flame puddle where he stands which is bad. If a rogue is targeted and vanishes does it do the same thing?

On heroic prog so I didn't want to wipe if that's the case.

[royal lantern]

i mean, vanish is used for dps anyway, so why hold it to cheese a mechanic...? just run out lol

[gaunt moat]

I actually sim higher without seal of Duirna now. even with shadowflame wreath enchant.

[royal lantern]

i would need a replacement ring for that

getting loot

[gaunt moat]

got haste/vers ring. no crit, but like.. 441 so yeah..

But to be fair, it's like less than 100 dps difference.

[subtle tundra]

just loot it idk

cant help it more

[vapid sierra]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[gaunt moat]

Ring from uldaman actually simming me 600+ dps over duirna's seal

[steel ridge]

same here, shadowflame wreath is pretty expensive for a questionable gain and i have no other fire thingy rn

rocking mythic seal of filial duty for now 😄

[slow tulip]

what was the reason behind the difference between whispyrs and fuu's sims ?

[gaunt moat]

skill

[slow tulip]

[balmy condor]

Which sim is different?

[slow tulip]

fuu's sheet for assa and yours include a different head + chest, although ending up the same dps

[balmy condor]

No issues then

[slow tulip]

[balmy condor]

You can change a surprisingly large amount of gear

With actually 0 difference

[dusty trellis]

so for m+ assa , irideus fragment + neltharions call are best trinkets ? ( on max ilvl )

[balmy condor]

Yep

And if the neltharions proc lines up with your fragment

During a big aoe pack

You are required to cum

On the spot

[dusty trellis]

https://tenor.com/view/meg-ryan-orgasm-intense-gif-12057258

[royal lantern]

wow thanks varas

now my 421 chest and my puzzlebox are replaced

[balmy condor]

It basically doubles your agility

Kinda silly

[royal lantern]

this game will make you CUM!

click here!

[slow tulip]

is it just me or the mythic loot feels so unrewarding ? did a droptimizer yesterday - not a single m+ item is a dps gain and the only 3 things that are actually a gain are 2 items from last boss and a better IL bomb trinket ? like 3 weeks into na patch and already done with the loot - only crafting and vault now :/

[balmy condor]

I mean yeah that’s the loot system

You get 441’s thrown at you for basically nothing

That’s entry mythic ilvl

[slow tulip]

felt more excited about the m+ loot at the start then killing a mythic boss - insta pass on all :/

[balmy condor]

Throw 2 embellishments and 4 tier pieces into the mix

And you quickly run out of slots that could do much

[slow tulip]

[balmy condor]

And the changes they said they’re looking to implement next season are gonna make it even faster

[slow tulip]

wtff

[balmy condor]

Because one of the things they mentioned is making lower level crests drop when you’re capped on higher ones

[dusty trellis]

so we have time to play diablo 4

[balmy condor]

So you don’t even need to do lower keys anymore

You can get all your fragments just spamming 20’s and filling your vault

Or spam 20’s farming for your item to upgrade

Instead of doing a 12, dropping your item and going “ehh…. I guess I’ll upgrade it, dunno when I see it again”

You’re perma farming hero gear, and you get all the fragments you need

[whole mason]

Does the SIM generate extra cps for SS garrote in deathmark? e.g. in dm, vanish garrote gives direct 5cps？

[balmy condor]

Yeh

[whole mason]

So Vanish garrote, env garrote gives 2 set of 5cps?

also happen in SIm?

[balmy condor]

Probably

[whole mason]

I'm looking at the latest sim https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/uvmokC6uEiCTb4D2Zhtu3t/simc
in the sample sequence, i wonder if the 0:22 garrote should be delayed for longer duration for imp garrote

[bold lintel]

If i have 4 set is it worth to hold sepsis for end of deathmark every time?

[steel ridge]

you send sepsis on cd

[bold lintel]

was thinking 40% nature dmg increase must be worth but not goign to argue with Sepsis-Jesus

[steel ridge]

whispyr did all the cooking

its best to just send

missing a cast is more a loss than 40% on sepsis which does little damage itself is a gain

DF Sepsis is a wet noodle vs. SL Sepsis 18 wheeler truck

[lapis osprey]

@balmy condor During opener, with exsang & sepsis, do you just use the second sepsis proc on ambush

since you already have improved garrote ticking with exsang

[steel ridge]

your exsanged garrote should be long gone when your second sepsis proc comes online

[lapis osprey]

Mine isn't

[steel ridge]

huh

[bold lintel]

love the hug

huh*

[steel ridge]

you can drag out the second proc until the last second to apply garrote

[ebon cloud]

whats the best way to use fragment on pure ST?

[royal lantern]

macro to dm

[lapis osprey]

hmm

[royal lantern]

forget it exists

[steel ridge]

TLDR says always use garrote

[lapis osprey]

Yeah I read that

[balmy condor]

The 22 seconds garrote can’t be delayed longer because there isn’t anything to delay for. You’re looking at an exsanguinate opener, the exsanguinate garrote faded at 22

[lapis osprey]

But my second sepsis comes online before my exsang garrote is done

[steel ridge]

but you can hold the proc a few seconds

and apply late

[lapis osprey]

Do I just do nothing

[balmy condor]

The second sepsis proc is used to put garrote back up after the exsang one drops

[whole mason]

that's right. please see my dm to you.

[steel ridge]

you have other buttons to press, namely mutilate and envenom 😄

blindside doesnt consume sepsis

so you are safe on that front

[lapis osprey]

My mutilate transforms into ambush

[royal lantern]

we have abilitys beside sepsis you know

[steel ridge]

is it on your stealthbar?

[cobalt hemlock]

after vanish garrote you still want to use sepsis garrote or at least for the first proc you ambush?

[lapis osprey]

Hmm

Okay lets see

[steel ridge]

you dont vanish in opener

[cobalt hemlock]

i know

[steel ridge]

how does that interfere then

[balmy condor]

[lapis osprey]

Okay I got it! I just had to remove ambush from my stealth bar

[cobalt hemlock]

arent you suppsed to sync sepsis and dm if possible?

[lapis osprey]

Thanks for the help guys

[steel ridge]

Sepsis is too complicated, just pin SBS again

[steel ridge]

no you are not

[balmy condor]

casting abilities on cooldown make brain explode

[royal lantern]

i like those moments where you can hear the gears in your head grinding over the entire globe, trying to understand what actually is happening at that moment

[balmy condor]

remove buttons DTB master race

passives all the way just right click boss

chooo chooooooooooooooo

[royal lantern]

sepsis is not nearly as complicated as people think

use on cd, garrote at start, garrote again when the 2nd sepsis proc is about to end

thats it

dont overthink stuff all the time guys

[slow tulip]

spell is off CD ? send it

[royal lantern]

^

if you play exsang sepsis, you dont even hold shiv for sepsis

just send shiv on cd aswell

[steel ridge]

maybe you should just pin the TLDR here, aint nobody clicking the link and reading 😄

[steel ridge]

reading is complicated tho, i literally posted the TLDR 3 messages above and the next one asks the same question 😄

[balmy condor]

so you did this, and you know that the pins don't get opened, and you think me doing the same thing you did, put putting it in the pins is gonna help?

[steel ridge]

believe me, i have as little hope in humanity as you do 😄

[ocean wolf]

hy! do i use irideus fragment before or after exsang? before, right?

[steel ridge]

macro it to deathmark

and forget you have it

[ocean wolf]

lmao

[steel ridge]

stop thinking like its some sort of moon landing

[slow tulip]

do you bois have a keybind for the bomb trinket ?

[balmy condor]

I have it on my first on-use trinket bind

because it's in my first trinket slot

[steel ridge]

this is my keybind for bomb trinket. IF I HAD IT.

[slow tulip]

out of curiousity - which key bind you use ?

[grim jay]

6 for first trinket, Alt + R for second

Haters gonna hate

[balmy condor]

shift 5

[slow tulip]

6 ? long hands i guess 😄 im struggling to reach 5 here ahahah

[blazing jewel]

ctrl 5 and 6 for trinkets

[slow tulip]

do you play the piano also guys xD

[ocean wolf]

1 octave = 1 hand ez

[grim jay]

6 is basically for long CD trinkets

[blazing jewel]

snd on 7

[slow tulip]

no way xD

[blazing jewel]

similar binds on outlaw/sin

[slow tulip]

absolute madman

[grim jay]

I just cant get used to Bars like that

Its wild

[steel ridge]

keybinds are the most subjective thing you can have in that game

[slow tulip]

cheap shot 8 ?

[blazing jewel]

absolutely

[slow tulip]

you never use cheap shot for sure 😄

[steel ridge]

and anyone who uses 6 is some kind of monster

[blazing jewel]

I have big hands and a 60% keyboard

[grim jay]

Scana is using skills with both hands

[blazing jewel]

lol

I can hit ctrl 8 on this keyboard

[grim jay]

I dont have 7-9 bound

[blazing jewel]

not comfortably but its possible

[royal lantern]

6is exsang

[blazing jewel]

wtf is that

[steel ridge]

are those a thing?

[grim jay]

Alt 3

[blazing jewel]

how do you all use alt binds

like what finger combo is it

[grim jay]

Thumb on alt

[blazing jewel]

thats cursed

[steel ridge]

i have everything on Alt

[grim jay]

Wdym cursed

[steel ridge]

nothing on ctrl

[grim jay]

You press spacebar with thumb

[balmy condor]

the fuck do you hit alt with

[royal lantern]

spider fingers, so 5-6 are still comfy binds

[blazing jewel]

I only use shift and ctrl modifiers

I would think thumb but it feels weird

like I have to tuck my thumb under my palm to press it

[grim jay]

Dont use those at all

I have my keyboard slightly angled

FPS gamer

My binds are 1-6, Q E R F G X V, 2 thumb buttons on the mouse and all that with alt again

[blazing jewel]

tricks on shift H feels way better than any alt bind

[grim jay]

Tricks and shroud are f1 and f2

Forgot

[steel ridge]

this is #assassination not "my fingers are weird"-subreddit

[blazing jewel]

where is the god king whispyr

what keys do mut and envenom belong on

[steel ridge]

easy

1 and alt-1

[blazing jewel]

[steel ridge]

[grim jay]

Fingerwork is important for assassins

[steel ridge]

thats what she said

[grim jay]

1 Mut
Alt 1 fok

[grim jay]

Targets never complain

[steel ridge]

your mother surely didnt last night

[grim jay]

Bro shes old

Im already close to being a boomer

You dont want to

[steel ridge]

heckin boomers

during vacation i took a total of 3 photos

while all the boomers took the weirdest selfies

[grim jay]

Just kidding tho

How old is an actual boomer rn ? Like 60?

[blazing jewel]

deathmark on q

hes unhinged

[steel ridge]

probably

[grim jay]

Ngl same

[balmy condor]

e for envenom

t for tea

[blazing jewel]

do you guys have strafe bound to a and d then

[balmy condor]

yes

keyboard turn unbound entirely

[blazing jewel]

I should do that

I never use keyboard turn but still have it bound

[grim jay]

I mostly move with W and right mouse button

[blazing jewel]

spamming strafe while you are in cds makes you do more damage though

it is a proven fact

[grim jay]

I got my mount skin from sark last night, I'm maxed out on bonus damage

Walking around with style, riding with style

Each 10% bonus dmg

20% is the hardcap

[blazing jewel]

false

until you transmog no chest with a stylish shirt you will not achieve max bonus damage

[rocky ruin]

Whispyr you have small hands right?

[balmy condor]

as much as I look like a twink, not really no

I have very long fingers

@blazing jewel don't what me, I know what I am

[rocky ruin]

C+1 is control and 1

[blazing jewel]

I got called a twink in college before I hit the gym I feel the pain

[steel ridge]

did you grow taller in the güm?

[balmy condor]

I will never hit the gym

I was thinking about knee high socks for the winter

this is just what I am