#assassination
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hey friends, just tride an ulduman 16. The bleed from the snake boss demolished me. Is there anything I can do to mitigate that?
Dwarf op, otherwise the usual stuff, elusiveness, vial, health pot.
mentally unstable
we know you are
Tanks also need to learn to not just Perma stun the boss to slow the damage buff stacks on him. Get rid of the 2 buff balls, 3rd stun as the cast goes out

Hej, someone here can write me the opener with sexy sepsis? 🙂
Is it max 1 or 3 omni tokens you can get?
the class writer we don't deserve always hard at work
Gave up on raiding anyway, unless stepsis finds her way into keys it doesnt matter to me 
!whispyr
Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev
I kinda didnt play when forbidden reach released, is it still easy to obtain the ring sockets?
Since its ”bis” this patch I should get it
Spill the bean
took me like an hour to farm my second ring
I always try to follow this one https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vTYgz1ZCEqoM-KDFQwvyWDSyDNTf8J5s1GD1lnhIwEdfmTZ31K0dnoRkHtgsq6ysEyt9qAke_e9uu01/pubhtml# but yours whisp looks good 🙂 will try to look at both now
I'm benched anyway
#1065730164077645916 will have a certified whispyr moment in the next hour or so
Everyone does their best
is this a .1 or .2 gain
0.9
pog
Holyyyy we are getting meta
But I spent a whole raid re-adjusting muscle memory 
yah
well
such is life when you play on the bleeding edge of a previously un-played talent
yesterday a friend of mine said assa is top 3 in M+, and I was like "who is coping so hard to put assa top 3"
make it un-played again 
Top3 specs you shouldn't play in m+
I played it in shuffle!
maybe he turned his personal list upside down
tell him to bring a feral to the same dungeon, and he will cry.
sepsis never going away now 
assa this patch in m+, where every 2nd boss has a mechanic that is "thing spawns that needs to die in 5-6seconds" 🙂
I love using my exsang on Asaad's orbs 
i mean sure AP was nice this week because of raging
and cleave bossfights, like brackenhide first boss
but a SP was doing 50k dps more, because SP
you'd rather play exsang?
ROGUE DEFINETLY GETTING CHANGES IN 10.1.5 BLIZZ SAID SO (no patch notes btw)
its like actually cope to expect 0 changes now btw
ye with the cursed no cttc tech
now with the added bonus that you have to drop cttc
0 reason to doom rn
Not me I play sub
who knows how big the changes will be but changes are for sure coming lol
where are they then 🙂
in your ass apparently
Holy
blizzard put them there
gottem
exsang good 
i have the solution to rogue, make stepsis a baseline ability for all rogues
easy
tbh im expecting one
could be tomorrow if ptr is tomorrow
next week latest
That's what I'm sayin
if its a big enough changeset to make their patch announcement they cant put it off too long
blizzard announced rogue changes in 10.1.5 last week, but I checked the forums in february and couldn't find the blue post with all the changes and tuning already finished
hello?
Make assa great again
dooming cant even be justified anymore tbh
if they cared we would've gotten a rework in 1873
they were a little busy stealing breast milk from ex confederates
DH got buffs, surely outlaw is next up on the list for buffs, cause they are not topping ST or M+ as it is
what are you getting me for my birthday
depends, are you a frequent #assassination doomer?
say yes
sure why not
when's your birthday?

Nudes?
i cant wait to say we did this when the rogue changes are good
I have a different punchline
sorry I didn't get you a gift last month
you can still get me something
nah
oh

assa doomers will have their birthday in july and expect a gift in april
remove kingsbane and exsang, then everyone is gonna be happy cause then you are forced into 1 build. Now they can just buff that 1 build until its good enough
easy
they already did that
same way they see "changes in 10.1.5" and expect the full list in 9.2
when they put it on a choice node with DtB
My birthday actually in July 👀
fucking idiots
NOTHING FOR TOMORROW?

THEY PROMISED US TUNING


tbh im interested if a new rogue player specs into assa, would they even know kingsbane is a talent unless they are told? 
counter-question
would it matter
if you're a new player who doesn't look shit up before you play the game
does it matter if you know what kingsbane is
it's 7:30pm on tuesday night in Kiribati and blizzard hasn't posted rogue changes
next week I guess
it defaults you into DtB
which is the better build
so why would they care about kingsbane
i just like seeing different talents that all seem fun
and you can play different ones in different scenarios
picture that
Where is my exsang deletion
I haven't played it once since it got nerfed
i mean you can tbh, its just the fact that dtb is in all the builds
but you have different builds
aren't you playing boomkin?
Wtf
No rogue updates and ive just put old milk in my tea FML
that's the most british thing I've ever heard
Going boomkin is a big stretch
wdym no rogue updates, whispyr is cooking even more on the new sepsis tech
so there are news
Apart from the tech
just not from blizz
its a change of pace if nothing else
Ive got a stepsis build ready to go
did you expect there to be tuning today?
Was the blue post that stated 10.1.5 implying tuning this week?
wait biggest fix to rogue, let us upgrade boon to 447 or so
now we blasting dps in keys
easy
sub already blasts dps in keys
sub cant equip boon, now its fair
Sub is a one man boon
hello seli
55hp + SS Necro duo farm
Sepsis build is so refreshing
It's more like it's Thanksgiving and you're told "we're gonna have a lot of fun on Christmas" and your brother and sister already got their tickets to Disney world but you didn't
Doesn't mean we still won't get our present, and maybe it's even cooler than that lame Disney world thing, but it stings nonetheless
Hello beautiful
But yeah, dooming that they won't do any changes is pretty fucking stupid at this point, just gotta be a bit patient
Its gonna be the second coming of christ!
!fuu
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz
Doomblade buff
exsang buff
AP buff
make it so when i press shiv it spreads the applied rupture to nearby targets, but with the same duration
and also keep the dmg increase
nvm sounds like IC but better
I like assa discord everytime I open it
i see eternal dooming fellows
@balmy condor Brudi du kannst die Leute nicht warten lassen
im not dooming, im cooking, well something inbetween
@marble hemlock how is weather at your place i hope sunshine and so
hahahha
idk, my windows are closed
My cat threw up
In the middle of the hallway
And whenever he throws up he always like shakes and stuff
Cause he feels bad about it
So I had to give him a big hug and tell him it’s okay
my cat from my younger days does that too
just vomti next to him so he feels less bad about it
like which pukes smells more like the other?
Master Doomer
they could also make the envenom buff has the AS speed
Or make it active, boost atk speed by 300% for 8 seconds
so like something are this spell is worth pressing and not like a need spend the cp for whatever reason
Outlaw?
dunno what that has to do with outlaw
they kinda moved in a direction away from buff spells like snd but then didnt remove snd
like savage roar
Isn't AR buffing the attack speed already for Outlaw?
thats not really what AR does
Yea didn't know the exact percentage
main thing is reducing GCD to .8s
i am talking a short burst of swings that actually sounds like slicing and dicing
This
and all this
the attack speed just means even more energy from combat potency
so they flood in energy and have a shorter gcd
its basically how pi feels on ranged but as a cd on an energy spec
Snd is just ancient and they somehow brought it back for SL
we'll see
i wouldn't expect that to be something they fix this week
but it could happen
i just want kingsbane back...
maybe they didn't have it ready for last week
im sure it is
guys I need some help with the last boss in Vortex
but i would think we also get our first post today/tomorrow
doing dmg to add is really slow
and if not then next week
dot it up and hit it
Use dance/sectec 
yeah but I do much less dmg to it than others. is it just how it is? or am I just doing something Giga wrong
and keep your dots up on boss too for energy and boss dam obviously
you only really should do good damage to the add if it lives long\
ye its a team effort to kill that, but as assa you will be the slowest to do dmg to it
but if it lives too long you probably die
yeah, on a 20 that was my problem. managed it with sub, but thought that might be a me problem
guess not D:
nah, what other dps did you have?
monk and survival hunter
nah, we were under geared with bad single target burst
monk has touch
me and the survival were 422 😄
i usually just save grieftorch for the add
monk was decently geared though
when i know that my group is low on dmg
and if i know that my group has good aoe, i just go full ST build because bosses suck this week
3rd and after are usually pretty tough
on my 20 the boss bugged

on neltharus chain and last boss always bug for me
yap, tho i only did it on 18, my healer couldnt heal the dragon sadly on 20
Fucking hope so
That nova has 3.5 million health on a 20
Absolutely ridiculous
tightest dps check in a m+ i've seen in a while
and does like 50k dmg EVERY SECOND 🙂
VP is a nightmare for healers
halls of infusion ice boss does 50k dmg every second too, but without any add up
atleast that boss has everyone stacked and is low movment
still stupid high dmg in all keys lol
cool idea...800% bleed speed, 10 sec CD and make it mandatory in the rotation that skills won't work unless you pressed Exsang

any time i see a wowhead article with "class balances" i just check if #assassination is on slowmode to determine if it's worth reading
Hold shadow dance for it
there hasnt been a slowmode here for a while as far as i know 
Meaning everything's fine in the sin world
shadow dance? on sin rogue? 
i'm a washed up warlock player 
i started to suck shit on warlock as soon as they made warlock complicated
Rain of fire
i was stalling when i was playing warlock, instead of trying to improve
improve?
mate, its warlock, you get raidspots anyway, and when numbers suck just blame not getting Pi

Thanks, and is it still upgradeable to 424?
yes
yeah but
i didn't enjoyed that
rn, i'm blue parsing everything while being top dps of my guild, so it means i have room for improvement that is in my control
reach for the stars
i have to crush even more the ego of the other dps
is there a WA yet that whispers "thank your for the stats" when the cape procs?
Hello all, is there a place that i can post a logg and might get som help with improving? Do i make a new thread (if so how?) Started playing assassination this week so need some help😅
Not sure about this but wowanalyzer can be useful for some analytics at a glance.
I'm struggling myself, ilvl 410 but only pushing 50k-ish DPS. Putting this down to practice and it'll hopefully improve over time.
I would recommend (at a start) using wowanalyzer, seeing which CDs you aren't using enough (for me it's echoing reprimand and deathmark) and making a WA to alert you when they're available
Another question about my own question.
Should I use vanish + garrote + deathmark on CD. Or worth holding to line up with exsang?
If it's not worth holding, do I just exsang on SD assuming all dots are on target?
If its gonna be your last deatmark you hold it for exsang, otherwise you hold exsang for your next deathmark afaik
Cheers
So DM on CD unless less than 2 min left in fight, then hold. Hold exsang for DM
yessir
I was trying to use hekili to get used to the rotation and still be able to focus on mechanics but just think it was messing me up, so going to practice without
hekili and most rotation helpers are actually famously dogshit for assassination
is it good for any spec?
every coaching session I've done with a hekili user ends up with them just turning it off and gaining 20% dps instantly
I hear it's okay for hunters but I'm not familiar enough with it
i think its solid for most specs that have deterministic resource gains
so basically, specs that dont generate between 2 and 4 combo points with a single cast 😄
i heard some people in the sub channel the ring from vault gonna be bis is that true?
Thanks for the info!! I'll just make my own weakauras for tracking stuff I keep missing!
I'll also reorganise my UI a bit because I'm on a massive screen and watching the boss and having to look a mile to the bottom of the screen to see resources is a pain. I'll move things closer to the middle
Making your own weakauras for tracking stuff that you're missing is a bit of a weird approach
How do you know you're missing out on stuff if you don't have something or someone telling you that you're missing something
Would highly recommend just using a weak aura pack someone else made instead of making single weak auras
You might be missing out on a bunch of stuff that you're just unaware of
From looking at logs and using wowanalyzer, I know I'm really slow at using echoing reprimand because I sometimes just don't see it come off CD
So I'm going to make some more obvious CD trackers for stuff like that
I use naowh's UI pack which is good at tracking most things. Just coming from BM Hunter which has like 2 things to track there's just a lot to keep my eye on
I see you primes @cobalt hemlock , sub is that way.
Would 100% reccomend just useing a wa pack and removing what you dont want
Rather than making your own wa's and adding for reasons cev said
wow rogue beeing in the rogue discord who saw it coming
Yeah, which is why we generally recommend you to just snatch a ready made Weakaura Pack that has all the tracking covered for you. If you see stuff glowing in the weakauras, you're probably missing them. But if that approach works for you, then go for it.
I'll try a few things, I might try afenar's instead, it did me well when I used to raid years ago as a warlock
We very often come across people who never press Slice or their bleed uptime is not 100% just because of bad weak auras
Yeah, I personally use Afenar's, which I have customized pretty heavily to my liking
but the base Afenar's has everything you'll need
I might also find a plater profile I like more so I can see dots on nameplates a bit clearer
Easier to see them when doing mechanics instead of having to look at my bars and stuff whilst trying to dodge things
Here's mine
Thanks for all the advice, plenty of stuff to practice before normal reclear on Thursday
Legend, thank you
Pics are a bit outdated, we don't have Vendetta anymore lol
but other than that it's the same
New Sepsis Lore just dropped, read about it here: <#1065730164077645916 message>
The #1065730164077645916 post will be the sepsis guide for a while, until we get all the other stuff updated.
My Sim Spreadsheet with builds (now updated! <t:1684323569:R>): https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev
Poggers dude you're the vest
Wait we are holding vanish for 2 minutes lol?
Yea I dont get vanish usage whatever
Omg it's explained holy fuck this book is so well written
I wish I could support the author
You deserve something
Wish I could come over to california
No visa though and the plane ticket is uh
understandable
Frankly I’ve played sepsis on like
2 fights
And I’m already sick of it
Cause I spent 8-9 hours figuring out why it sucked for people
And then I spent probably 5-6 hours fixing the apl
And then writing all the pins and info is probably 2 hours
And now I gotta go update all the guides
Tbh
Kinda sick of sepsis at this point
I liked it for some reason
Played it for full hc and normal
Probably cause it's not exsang
Yeah I like playing it too
But like
I’ve typed sepsis so often in the last week it’s beginning to not look like a word
Exsang will surely be gone
Same, although I only typed it like three times
And I won’t have to worry about sepsis+exsang
Random sbs buff in 2 weeks
Ever again
to invalidate it even earlier 😄
But how will I play the 4pc in m+???
I play sub
Realest shit
good stuff, thanks for your work.
You’re welcome
Ty
Thats a really nice piece
damn just realized through the optimized opener by Whispyr that Sepsis has 2 times of stealth ability use. Tried out Sepsis last raid a bit and didn't think of it having been changed over time
stepsis
hello habibicieft
hello habibti
Wild
make a new canon pls
Hello everyone !
First thank you for the work done by the whole team, I would be lost without you so big thanks!
I have a question about my Sim: the Onyx Annulet, which is supposed to be super BIS is not recommended in my Top Gear Simulation in single target :/
Is the ring still profitable or should I unequip it or did I miss something ? 😄
Thanks again !
What gems are in there and what ilvl is your ring
No can do :(
Make sbs no Exsang the main character 
Make AP the main character and kingsbane the love interest 
Ilvl 424 and the 3 gems recommended : Blood, Twiligh, Frost
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qnJNvcgpd9yDYKmTvSCrdg
Cold frost stone is in fact not freezing ice stone
Oh my god 
I am so sorry
My bad
Happens lmao ur good
wait until you read all of it
it gets worse
No, Luxthos does
do you use your toes for the big numbers
But yeh probably time has come for ripping the green dot out of luxthos pack
And using that
Idk how much I’m gonna get bullied for it, but if I have to do big numbers on my fingers I taught myself how to use my fingers to count in binary
I’m allergic to toes 😦
Which gets me to 1023
Fuck me man


also big shout outs to Mal because he made the atrocity WAs already support this sepsis nonsense ages ago
afenar deez

I'm on 45 minutes of sleep
I’m gonna kindly ask mal to have a great day. And that’s it
how the fuck do you live like this @balmy condor
After
dont think 45min qualifies as sleep
I have work after?
i court you
“Living” is a generous term
Work this pal 
That’s about 2.5x the recommended daily limit yes
idk usually people say they have like 500 caffeine or whatever
1.6 is low number compared to that
I can't feel the blood in my eyelids pumping, so I think we're safe
I dont drink alot of caffeine you can have my daily limit oxi
ty ryler
maybe my heart will give up
and I'll die
and I won't have to sit in zoom for 2 hours
you wont get so lucky
Continue breathing like the rest of us you loser

#makesepsisgood
now make Kingsbane good

moment
but pls don't share this secret method on how to make KB good:
Good luck on your first vault of the season boys and girls
Good luck to all our NA friends
great post Whispyr, thanks for the hard work
trying to get omni token tonight, and a final +17 to have my 4th aspect crest 🙏 so tomorrow i get 4P and dagger
one can dream
@gaunt moat any chance you can add a small timer to your sepsis weakaura? im really not into wa stuff, i tried some but the positioning and stuff was fucked. can you help?^^
I no longer hope for sin aura buffs so I don't feel compelled to play that cursed garbage on sark.
timer that shows when sepsis drops off?
ye, the timing on the new opener is kinda tight so i wanna see the remaining buff time:)
Plz lawd let .5 bring changes
should be pretty easy im imaging:)
who asked
sin is underperforming on one boss in the whole raid, starting to doomposting and asking for buffs on .5
This sepsis shit is worse than outlaw.
good thing you're not forced to play it
It's okay I don't respond to strawmans anymore. I'm learning.
I'll see what i can do


@tacit otter
How's this idea:
I personally don't like timers, I'm more into visual information.
What if I change the color of the WA to red when there's 2 seconds left?
yes

i was so sure you would just cut kingsbane out and move it to where ap is
I don't have anything to add atm so I'm just saving the permission for later
good idea
Just meow at him tbf
thats sounds quite good aswell, but i'll probably still want a more precise number. i think i found a way to do it^^ ty for you time
I gotta build up the good will so that I can re-trigger his fight or flight reaction when he doesn't expect it

Doing it isn't hard. I'm thinking of a way to make it look good too

my tastes in shitposts have gotten too expensive
I can't post the bad stuff anymore, I gotta have the good stuff now
Here's one: "hey dummy, you are amazing and you are loved"
And then you gotta have a forehead kiss
Is there a big reason why we would Sepsis -> Shiv and not vice versa?
Since i thought sepsis ticks harder at the start
The big boom is at the end
oh right!
And if you shiv before, it will not be active during
That makes a lot of sense, thanks!
10.1.5 needs to come soon plz
I miss sin. But not like this.
Praying for cttc baseline and exsang delete.
That's fine too. I just wanna play sin, but not like this.
Alright, updated the WA to give an indication 2 seconds left until expiration (basically - garrote now)
I tried it out and it's nice to use.
I'd be happy to listen to criticism/idea or if you think I should still add the a textual timer (I'm not a fan)
https://wago.io/Lgy47ma7G
@tacit otter
that wa is BiS btw 
its a lie
a facade
i dunno, im kinda okay with sin, could be better sure, but atleast i have more build variety than sub and outlaw together
i'll give it a try later:) ty for your time
ofc, but i like to pretend
hes a ravenholdt mods. thos arent happy
just look at oxi or ronkley or zine
you think any of them are happy?
Do you really think someone who plays wow is a happy individual
oxi is sometimes a bit happy
Is zine even really a mod anymore
just sometimes
Oxi was happy when he was about to quit the game
!wa
Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/LuxthosRogueDragonflight (Luxthos's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
@gusty mirage was happy when he didnt made the decision to study law
I echo what the others have said about it being bis as I have used it since you dropped it. Do I need to replace it or it gonna update on its on lol?
when you import, you have the option to replace or update
works like that with all wa's
I don't know how WA updates work. it doesn't happen automatically that's for sure.
but if you'll reimport it there will be an update option
Eh too easy to just download again tbh. Was more so asking just incase I miss something like this
Ah

Too easy! Also thanks for it brother cuz it def makes life easy lol
I got you
Oxi drink less caffeine
I know for sure there's an issue when blinside procs and the WA is up and it hides blinside.
that's kinda 💩
I think I'm up to 2 grams of caffeine in 24 hours
That's not good.
i just moved the sepsis WA up a bit 
I drank 2 grams in 6 hours in college and had to spend the day in the ER
thats called powernapping
Are you peeing every 30 seconds?
I wanna make it go behind Blinside, since if you use ambush, blindside has priority
to lessen the likelihood of just dying
tbf, with the new rules its full garrote now
Caffeine overdose no joke, see doctor if heart goes crazy
I made coffee because I love the taste of coffee but I'm scared to drink it
i can make it look different
I've been staring at the mug for the last hour
I also love coffee. But that's lots of coffee.
but a WA shouldn't just be anchored to a specific rotation, so i dunno
Technically think you won't die until 5g of caffeine or smth, but heart palpies no fun.
Bro i swear to god i just updated mines to do the same thing lol
great minds think alike
Na, you have the better mind since you created it
i was just adjusting
It's a "go sub and pray for talent rework" thesis
I like sepsis
Not with these new conditions you don't.
im ok with sepsis itself, but that looks like a total clusterfuck to play
New conditions arent even bad
The condition is just hold vanish for second dm tho
Alright i've updatd it again to be behind blindside.
Now i need to think if i wanna make it look different alltogether
Until you consider fight times and the very real dps loss from not having exsang
And still being behind sub and outlaw anyways
Slam Sepsis on CD, Hold shiv for Sepsis, hold vanish for DM or if you fuck up sepsis
not using vanish on pull fucks my brain
If I were going off number I would have been playing one of the other specs from the start
^
Or just roll shadow lol
If I played no exsang sepsis sin id be benched :/
the people here that still play assa, do it because they like the spec lol
Maybe make it smaller so they look like fire mage’s crit combos
can you show me how that looks?
Damn. Hardcore
you act as if your RL checks the theorycrafting channels of every single spec his team maybe plays, and then instant benches if its not the 100% best sim combination 
We have two rogues who are very close in skill. This isn't a two rogue tier for most fights.
No. I act like our other rogue only does 1k less than me when we're both playing sub, ditching 5k to play no exsang sin makes roster slotting easy.
2 easy ways to fix it
Ah, intresting,
#1: be better
#2: ddosd the other rogue
I'll try doing that
Getting gud is always an option as long as you aren’t parsing 90+ every fight
just an as aside: whenever i wanna try to test how it looks comapred to Blindside. it never procs 
first kill on the first boss mythic was a 76 for me 
This is pretty common.
i have the solution, play assa, make the atrophic go to 3.6% reduction twice because of shiv, sub only has 1 shiv, so you have your raidspot
This man cooking
ey people think our utility is good, telling them that assa makes it better is just win win
your raidlead doesnt have to know about the actual truth behind atrophic
4 set is gonna be hard to come by in my group
@deft flicker
i dunnnnoooooo
Rolling against 8 other people on token
looks kinda weird
Is the blue texture for sepsis
yes
Prot, mw, evoker, me is all that’s in my raid on my tier and evoker is done so my 2p going to 4 baby lol.
I have a good one
show them this, and say rogue does most dmg so you need it
Wish I could log on and get at it
a good what
Wa
I'm trying to make my own heh
what does yours do
It’s a horizontal blue dash above the player that tracks the sepsis buff for stealth abilities and displays a timer text
I'm trying to be stylish
You can always remove the timer text
It looks like a regular blizzard proc
very natural
heh, i've made it go red when it's time to garrote
I’m just looking for correct info for as little brain power as possible committed
Eh true
Yeah, it’s a bit awkward
I like Notters tbh. Same placement same info. Just need a sepsis buff timer ish
I tried making it go gradually more red, but that was just confusing.
a horizontal proc like rime or brain freeze that appears above the character works for me because it visually categorizes the info differently from blindside
Only lost maybe 3 buffs so far trying to greed so it is t that bad but having a no shit timer of some type would def help
haha yes
sub op
what else
tbh i am a bit sad that we will go down in the raid ranking soon
i want people to play rogue
It's probably the direction i'll take.
Yea we will be dropping fast again. With no changes but meh it’s fine. We will see the promise land again lol
i just don't like timers 
I saw the dh st sims lol. I’m happy and jealous lol
should have made rogue look bad so we get buffs
Keep spreading the good word about how sub is better than sin
Maybe we’ll see a buff
Or more likely they’ll nerf us anyway
it has been better for the last few months
Sepsis improvements? What am I missing here lol
bruh, its allready acknowledged that way lol
A man can dream
Pins
Whispyr wrote a master’s thesis on sepsis last night
@balmy condor wait, im confused about a thing in the new opener you made there:
use garrote at the last couple seconds of the sepsis buff, but why is there a garrote so early in the opener again
like, that garrote should be ~5seconds after the first cast, isnt it still running as a dot then 
you use sepsis at second 6 but use the first proc ~11 second. if that makes it more clear
so you refresh the first garrote 11 seconds after the first:)
same tbh
@subtle tundra gm sir i am eating another kolache
very dumb question and new here but, is it a good idea to use exsang and dm at the same time? i know your not supposed to exang after deathmark but i keep seeing conflicting opinions on this
exsang after dm in pvp probably
so dm ticks faster down
but you want the exsanged dots doubled, but not deathmark
but faq has it covered too
You do Not do this in St. In aoe however, this is legit. DM isnt strong there and you have your 4p Bonus faster, which is okay in aoe
is there any way to make kingsbane work atm or is it just dead and buried ?
If your a minmaxer, it is dead. For nhc/hc it is possible imo
also one other dumb question i saw it mentioned in the faq but idk if it's updated for 10.1, is fbr ring still bis?
There are no dead talents if you arent a minmaxer tho 
Yap, i guess its more "if you care about your dmg at all its dead"
fok
Yeah you couod say so, but its Not like you arev10% behind with it or sonething
But when it comes to add Fights, you will hate your self with kb
Dude this auto correction
Hmm i dunno i always saw kb as dead, if it was like 1% behind or so that would be okay
Well atleast dead since they moved it
Yeah I agree
I played it before they moved it and it was fine
DTB since then
Because it is so dead 
could someone link me the sin spreadsheet plux
!whispyr
Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev
ty
where to get skeleton spining around the fan emote 
maybe a question for outlaw since its used there more

ty friend : D
sorry if im dumb but as i understood it now we want to always use sepsis and death together and use double shiv during sepsis deathmark so you keep using shiv on but want to make sure to have 2 when your cds come up

Nope
Unless i misunderstood it xD
You just always wanna have a shiv for stepsis and dm
If you ever have double shiv charges (after the opener) it means you capped your shiv, don't do that. Just keep 1 charge ready for Sepsis/DM, but if you're about to get the 2nd charge of shiv off CD then burn the charge you have so you never hit 2 charges
Oh i thought you said you wanted to hold sepsis and always use it with dm
!whispyr
Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev
our boi whipser cooked up a nice sepsis gameplayloop did the man even sleep?
sleep is for the weak
447 Tier hands or 447 totemic shank crit/verse for the offhand....
Idk whether to grab beacon or tier from my vault 
can never get 447 tier hands unless M+ drops it and the offhand has crit/verse and can upgrade a crit/mast 441 offhand...
man my vualt is bad
bro
Banger
jealousy is ugly on you
Im happy for you lol
Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev
so uh
hi
replacing the eranog ring seems really hard
or rather
replacing the flaring cowl seems really hard
congrats Eu 2nd finest rogue
Replacing eranog ring is easy if you never got the ring in the first place
Can relate
got head tier in vault but it's a significant downgrade to drop flaring cowl for shadowflame wreathe
anyone else noticing the same in sims?
did you also sim with new boots?
!wa
Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/LuxthosRogueDragonflight (Luxthos's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
you did not carry over your POE luck to WoW this is NOT allowed
link me up with WoW Tujen oxi, i know you're good for it
nice
double on use tier..........
bomb and bacon
i dont have 2 keybinds for trinkets
and my first keybind is capslock(VERY ANNOYING)
macro it bro come on
GAHDAMN I WANT A TACO
oh yea i can just macro both to the same... they are both no thought do dmg trinkets right?
when ill get them
sometime this tier
in the future
Only issue bomb put other trink on CD fir 15 sec. And bomb happens like every 30 sec.
true
what might you press 15sec into opener
that could have beyond trinket macro'd to it
tier helm at 441 showing a 1900dps loss over flaring cowl even when i have a shadowflame wep 
i might have to take the class trinket
cuz my trinks are so down bad
although i do need a cowl replacement eventually for patch
idk 
our ret pala and dh got bomba
How we looking with pi compared to other specs?
average to below average
Is it okay to ask for advice on what to take from vault here?
Depends on your other trinkets.
What enchants are we using.. Still Sophic Devotion?
Hey, sorry to ask, havent seen it anywhere in the pins, but how much is the 2 and 4pc set an upgrade for us?
Its pretty big from what I have been reading.
its in whispyrs sheet
ok thx i'll go read that
still using puzzle box and icon.
it simmed 400 dps loss for me
god bless omfg
big lore head
hell yeah
!whispyr
Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev
-0.6% dps loss from my vault LOL
is that simc that shows you upgrades at the bottom
no it's pawn
dice any good for sin?
i don't really use it anymore just still have it installed
for alts I don't wanna think too much on
guess I just pick catalyst fodder then, rip
Was listed best we can get out of raid trinkets for M+
oh! that's something then at least
Yea, sim it tho
If I vanish like 8 seconds after dm in my opener
do I hold my 2 minute dm for vanish
Or do I send dm and vanish on cs
Cd
You hold usually
Ever a reason to hold shiv? Like for er?
Read the new sepsis pin, its new info
you're mean
I play exsang
It sims better for my profile
Then you are lost 
just kidding ❤️
And i cannot help you
Maybe, if you play kingsbane
Bomb trinket seems to be utterly overpowered
see that is even more concerning, what If I take it and they nerf it?
They already did
sims never lie
alright
and may never see the trinket again and cry
what do you mean
mfers had bomb/beacon and 4pc last week
and I got lucky?

Hi guys srry for bother yours but I got this on vault should picked it or pass?

Whats the other stuff?
Sim
wuut u guys already have reset?
Are we using it on cd?
we dont look at the fed split runners, they are the empyrians of WoW
NA buddy

thinking about taking a trinket just to have something other than Puzzlebox

how do you get option to sim toxified armor patch?
hoping for a nice heroic trinket from raid this week
you'd click the + button on your crafted item and select it there
it's an embellishment, not an enchant
thanks mate
we did splits
lol
im disappointed
you're just mad blackvneck had the same raid vault you did
im going to agree because i dont know who that is and im EU
but you knew that
lil foxy oxi
where can i find a sepsis opener?
have you tried the pins
i always forget about pins
or hear me out
discord could do a little bit more
than just putting a red circle
on
but that would just make sense
oh it puts a red circle up there
see? you never noticed either
are there any in depth informations about Sepsis and stuff ? like some theorycrafting shit ?
same answer as before
pins
not sure if thats a trusted link at pins 😮
i just dont want to get into weird cat stuff u know
what? I'm on US servers they reset Tuesday, yeah.
Did something change with the Lariat? It is telling me to switch up all my gems o.o
Idk, it is wanting me to switch my mastery/crit gems back into crit/mastery xD
40dps spread, that should be about the margin of error. Our stat weights are are pretty close rn
do we get catalyst charges this week or nah?
Believe catalyst opens in 5 weeks from now
yah
has it been looked at that mutilate doesn't remove a stack from irideus fragment in the sim? maybe a lil inflated? ik whispyr has been full time on sepsis apl
maybe a better convo for tc unsure
thistle removing a stack not ideal either eugh
I reported this
It shouldn’t be too important of a change
They didnt announce reworks for assa?
They announced “changes for rogue in 10.1.5”
Enough for me
oh ok solid, the like 0:20-0:30 window in opener is just heavy mutilate so was a lil concerned it's omega overvalued
If you play exsang it’s probably not important
And that doesn’t even have the stuff from #1065730164077645916
im goin back to cttc pressing snd feels NOT GOOD
oh pog i was wondering
if it was on nightly yet
Nah























