assassination

[gusty mirage]

Yeah I got nothing lads

AP fucking sucks

[winged quail]

AP is a spell that exists

that I have never talented once

[gusty mirage]

I tried some cold blood AP on council a few times last tier

[winged quail]

I tried playing Sub

[gusty mirage]

And forgot to put coldblood on my bars

So I did the boss fight with my spell book open

[winged quail]

hahahahaha

[gusty mirage]

Hopefully the overhaul they promised fixes a lot of our tree issues

Tackling assassination aoe is gonna require new expac vibes IMO

[gloomy knoll]

Yea I’m hopeful

[winged quail]

Sin needs a design overhaul to work in AoE

[gloomy knoll]

I dunno 1-2 talents could easily fix sin aoe or at the least make it manageable

[gusty mirage]

I agree

Could also use a design overhaul in general

[winged quail]

I don't see how they make this iteration ever do good AoE and be balanced

[gloomy knoll]

But who knows how much time they’re gonna spend on rogue

[gusty mirage]

It’s been the same shit more or less over a decade

[winged quail]

Either we have shit single or shit AoE

[rocky ruin]

make Poison Bomb Aoe Finisher and CT burst the dots like a reopen a fresh wound or poison it something like that

[gloomy knoll]

Literally an aoe finisher would solve at least half the problems

[gusty mirage]

I mean we have one

[winged quail]

Honestly if CT procced Poison Bomb it would be a nice bandaid

[gusty mirage]

Does it solve half the problem?

[gloomy knoll]

Non dot aoe finisher sorry

[rocky ruin]

or a knive bomb a like if it explodes poison knives flying around or so

[gusty mirage]

We have that too, it’s called press N swap to Sub and press black powder

[gloomy knoll]

[gusty mirage]

Then we can deal with people bitching about that the way sub players bitch about black powder

No one likes pressing black powder, you do it because it does damage

Sub used to be about maximizing dance windows and rewarded good planning/gcd use

[winged quail]

You press BP to cycle to your next dance window where you can play the game

[gloomy knoll]

I don’t mind bp

[gusty mirage]

Putting dance in the class tree was a mistake

Black powder was a mistake

[gloomy knoll]

Macabre makes dance fairly interesting

[rocky ruin]

cause dance was for sub, but don't play it

the one in the class tree

[winged quail]

Yeah DM make dance windows feel more engaging

[gray crest]

Black powder is boring but having an aoe spender is good

[gloomy knoll]

But I would like less spammy outlaw play style and more dance is a tactical nuke slower play

[rocky ruin]

like fw only useful for outlaw not for us

[gusty mirage]

Until you realize sub lost probably the coolest niche in the game in bfa

And they got black powder in return

actual funnel damage

Through big eviscerates

Felt amazing

[gray crest]

Sub became unplayable for the rest of the expansion. They didn't get bp till shadow lands

[gusty mirage]

Then one boss and poof, gone

Correct

[gloomy knoll]

Yea we really should be good at funnel and it’s so weird that we’re not

[gusty mirage]

But that aoe to ST funnel is what a lot of people loved about sub

Shuriken combo was insanely cool

While black powder is for sure an ability that makes purple smoke

[gloomy knoll]

Yea I would trade those any day

I remember watching the Chinese mdi team in legion play sub rogues and just pull mad trash onto m+ bosses when nobody else was and just nuking them

Was the coolest shit ever

[gusty mirage]

Yeah man it was insane

[gloomy knoll]

Legit fell in love with sub watching that lol

[gusty mirage]

Just slamming fat eviscerates

[gloomy knoll]

I wish they just nuked our builder damage and made evis slap

Fuck gloomblade

[gusty mirage]

Funny enough if you go back to cata

When they categorized the specs

[wind dune]

is there a day that balance usually comes out for ptr? those mentioned rogue changes got me possibly coming back if its anything good

[gusty mirage]

Assassination was “poison” damage, combat was hard hitting generators, and sub was hard hitting finishers

[gloomy knoll]

Wait really

the fuck

[gusty mirage]

P sure wednesdays or Thursdays is when we get ptr stuff

I could be wrong tho

[gusty mirage]

Yeah look it up

[wind dune]

thanks king ill be keeping my eye on it for sure

[serene fossil]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[gloomy knoll]

Wish we still had that then

[royal lantern]

its mindblowing that the ability is still looking like a pre-alpha effect lol

like litearlly

you spread arms and enemys glow purple for 1sec

thats the animation

[gloomy knoll]

Oh yea the visual animation for it is so bad

[gusty mirage]

Mastery Passive Talent Tree Bonuses

Assassination
Melee damage
Melee critical damage
Poison damage

Combat
Melee damage
Melee Haste
Harder-hitting combo-point generators

Subtlety
Melee damage
Armor Penetration
Harder-hitting finishers

Assassination was supposed to be the burst spec apparently

[wind dune]

burst to the bottom babyyy

[gloomy knoll]

I’d be cool with that

[gusty mirage]

Granted this was like 13 years ago

[gloomy knoll]

Yea I mean it’d be nice if we had different niches to cover but it always just ends up as 1 rogue spec is playable and the other two aren’t

Or they just do kinda the same thing

Compared to warlock which has multi dotting funnel st aoe two target cleave each spec feels like it’s just good for something

[gusty mirage]

I mean

Except for aff

[serene fossil]

Combat outlaw “without needing to rely on stealth and evasion mechanics” literally vanishes to get more procs going 👁️👄👁️

[gusty mirage]

Warlock has the same style of problem we do

Except all 3 specs do damage

Mage as well

[gloomy knoll]

What problem

[gusty mirage]

No real identity between the 3

[gloomy knoll]

I dunno it feels like there is between destro and demo

Destro can aoe cleave demo can nuke st

[gusty mirage]

warlock's identity is literally just the visuals on how they do the damage

destro and demo do insane aoe and insane ST

lol

[gloomy knoll]

And aff can multidot when it’s not dogshit

Fair it does feel like most of the time stuffs tuned to be relatively similar

Which is good for people who wanna one trick I guess but sucks for the class as a whole

[kind jacinth]

Lariat still BiS ???

[wide ridge]

WiS

[vestal wren]

boots(slimy) + toxic patch

[manic quartz]

is 2.6k dps significant, sbs/exang sims that much more for me than sepsis or is sepsis implemented in sims yet?

[flat kiln]

In your sepsis sim you're probably not taking the talent on left side of tree that refunds energy. You drop the 1/2 in middle tree poison for that.

[manic quartz]

venom rush?

[flat kiln]

I think that's right. Sry can't check names atm. If you're taking that and still seeing -2.6k that's kinda crazy

[brazen zodiac]

dat was one long pinned ted talk. good talk c: @balmy condor

[manic quartz]

Youre right, i dont have venom rush, dint see how i missed that from the build >_>

[manic quartz]

now sbs/exang is only 720dps ahead and I like Sepsis much more, so i think ill stick with that, ty

[runic gorge]

do the both of the sepsis stealth ability gives improved garrote?

[proper tapir]

Yes

[runic gorge]

TY.

[unborn sierra]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[wide ridge]

should i craft a 447 slimy boots now? surely won't there be a better item later right

[sturdy valve]

i miss echoing fok thing from bfa. that was fun

[vestal wren]

probably not

slime boots look like the best craft

but also weapons are incredibly strong crafts always

and for the price of waiting 2 days, you can now have both

[frigid kestrel]

Boots are strong with and without Patch ye?

I mean obviously imma get patch, but ill have to wait two more weeks for that

[wide ridge]

[spice spire]

Yes

[lean fossil]

for the stealth abilities from sepsis, should you always garrote both of them for max uptime on the empowered garrote, or is ambushing one better?

[gilded oasis]

You don't want to overwrite stealthed garrotes so its ambush in opener and garrote any time you don't have a vanish/stealth garrote one I believe

[unborn sierra]

Looking at Whispyrs spreadsheet, it looks like the Arterial Precision/DTB build has some competing potential in M+. However, I can't see *anybody *on the r.io charts running it. Has anyone tried it out?

[spice spire]

Whispyr did in his runs

[steel ridge]

Plays like shit

[spice spire]

It was more than fine, but you aim for low pull runs atm

If you pull a ton you’ll hemorrhage damage

[unborn sierra]

Ah so my puglife would not do so well with that build lol

[spice spire]

No

[gusty mirage]

puglife as assassination

[spice spire]

It is very inflexible

[spice spire]

Brother that’s me wdym

[lean fossil]

when you use sepsis, you get the ability to use a stealth ability, as far as i was aware. garrote becomes empowered from sepsis's stealtg ability

[gusty mirage]

you ever get a tank chaining when the mob is at 4%

for absolutely no fucking reason

[spice spire]

Yeah

[gusty mirage]

yeah bro I'm good

[spice spire]

Yeah :^)

[lean fossil]

but you tech get two charges, one when you press the button and the second one after 10 seconds or so

[gusty mirage]

I'll just play sub

[spice spire]

My favorite play this season is in brackenhide

The tank pulling all the mobs for a mile

And you’re just like

A mile behind everyone else

Because you want to be stealthed 🙂

[dusky granite]

At high keys, it has viability in certain dungeons. You’ll be catastrophically behind in others

[steel ridge]

Rework will come and make carnage do imp garrote.

[unborn sierra]

does Assassination have good representation? I'm newer to the class and wondering if they get attention when needed? Watching interviews with Whispyr is depressing lol

[subtle tundra]

it does negative ST

you already do bad ST with dtb, and you'd do even less

[steel ridge]

Whisp is the best

[subtle tundra]

i finish most bosses with ~80k st on sub, i'd be lucky with 70k on assa

[steel ridge]

Sub is OP from a ST/AoE Ratio

only fury is better

Sub changes 1 point, fury 0

[unborn sierra]

I meant from Blizz I guess. I know Whispyr is super vocal which is fantastic, but does Blizz listen and make changes?

[steel ridge]

We will know soon

Realz is a good lad who does listen

i mean, we expect some sort of blue note soonish

[burnt star]

Blizzard announced rogue change in class talent on 10.1.5. Theres hope!

[steel ridge]

If thats a bust, all hope is gone

[burnt star]

Imagine

Rogue vanish from rework

[weak horizon]

lmfao

[steel ridge]

Its not a rework most likely

more like little node shuffles

Don’t expect any new stuff

[burnt star]

I would expect more. Little bit like what druid got

[weak horizon]

maybe an exsang change?

[steel ridge]

lmao

[burnt star]

Not a ret lvl of change

But surely more then just node swapping

[steel ridge]

exsang can suck an elefants dong, get rid of it entirely and build it up from the ground anew

[dull cloak]

when is the last time an assass was played in Mdi

[burnt star]

I mean. Mdi shouldnt be your breakpoint for viability in n+

[steel ridge]

Never probably cause it doesnt have the kit for it, but neither do many others

[burnt star]

Mdi is a specific type of m+

[dull cloak]

it's not but I'm just curious

if it's every been played even once lol

[gilded oasis]

check the pins

[steel ridge]

is sepsis garrote actually worse? I thought its just to max uptime

they should deal equal dmg

[grim tangle]

sin rogue was definitely played in mdi back in bfa, probably never played since

[lean fossil]

they are all equal dmg because they are empowered, you just dont get the cps, but from the last part that i missed you garrote the second stealth charge from sepsis

[steel ridge]

yeah thats what i thought

[gusty mirage]

are you playing shrouded

if so

they are not equal

[steel ridge]

Shrouded not working for sepsis?

[gusty mirage]

why would it

you're not in stealth

[steel ridge]

But improved garrote reads as stealth aswell doesn’t it?

[keen radish]

Technically not

Sepsis allows you to use a stealth ability

Does not provide the stealth buff

[steel ridge]

But yeah well, thats why you may cut shrouded for zoldyck

[frigid kestrel]

Fragment drrops, Priests says he doesnt need it, tries to trade it with me but cant because he forgot to place his big boy trinkey in both slots

[steel ridge]

Thats clear

[gusty mirage]

they made it work for imp garrote

but not shrouded

for reasons

[steel ridge]

So its not clear for improved, it just works

[keen radish]

Yeah youre right. It’s all over the place

[gusty mirage]

blizzard and tooltips

name a more iconic duo

Sometimes the spores will immediately decay and inflict 1990 Nature damage to you.```

[keen radish]

I assume simc takes that into account right?

[gusty mirage]

nowhere in that tooltip does it indicate that you're unable to apply more stacks until the dot is done

but it is what it is

[gusty mirage]

p sure it does ye, but that's a koji, fuu, or whispyr question

[vestal wren]

yes its taken into account

[keen radish]

Thanks Fu Manchu

[vestal wren]

it was one of the reasons it went from "bis" to "mediocre"

btw. i rly like how all 3 specs are so close this tier

130,5k on sin
132k on sub
133k on outlaw

[keen radish]

Me too

[vestal wren]

sad that all 3 would probably like a 5% buff ^^

[steel ridge]

Outlaw being ahead of sin is weird

[weak horizon]

id be ok with it if sin had solid m+ like the other 2

[steel ridge]

sin needs a solid 140k

[keen radish]

I feel like Sin still gets turbo cucked given the fights though. We were doing Sark HC last night and just obviously just no reason to play Sin over Sub

[grim tangle]

havoc simming 145k after buff

[vestal wren]

i think the main probelm is that sin is not the one ahead

think would be fine if sin is 133-134k, sub 132k, outlaw 130,5k

[keen radish]

Fights are heavy ST, but then sudden periods of heavy adds where black powder is too nice to pass up

[keen radish]

Yeah that’s what I’m trying to get at

[vestal wren]

the problem rly is that assassiantion is mostly a single target focused spec

what is completely fine with me btw.

[grim tangle]

adds werent really a problem for us and sin actually benefits from the haste buff, so I think it's pretty close which is better on that fight

[vestal wren]

just needs to be tuned accordingly

i also feel liek assa could be nice on the last boss

due to haste buff

[keen radish]

If we can’t pull ahead on ST, then there’s no reason to play it. Because as soon as there’s adds - if you’re just “even” with sub - then suddenly you’re behind

[vestal wren]

sub outlaw both can easier get multi target talents

[steel ridge]

Yeah

[vestal wren]

that is a hot take

but i think bp should deal more damage

[steel ridge]

Sin being ST is absolutely fine, but blizzard ftl of god, let it blast

[vestal wren]

^ exactly

[gusty mirage]

yeah assassination being really good at ST would be fine

considering its aoe is pathetic

[steel ridge]

I am fine playing sub or outlaw for dungeons

[pure moth]

I'll pass up black powder anytime. Lol

[keen radish]

Only done Sark on HC at the moment but the haste buff feels awkward for Sin. Lining up cds for the haste felt kinda cucky

[steel ridge]

But let me fucking annihilate bosses

[gusty mirage]

yeah I mean if they try to make all 3 specs good at everything

all 3 will feel the same

and that's less fun than having to swap specs for aoe-centric fights or m+

[steel ridge]

This

[keen radish]

It’s the BM syndrome I think. Like I was happy when BM did great single target and dog on aoe. And if you wanted AOE you played MM. Felt nice to me

[gusty mirage]

also why isn't outlaw the top dog for 5-8T cleave

considering it's the only capped spec in the game still

lol

[vestal wren]

i think all 3 are too similar

[gusty mirage]

yeah I agree

[vestal wren]

let sub be the burst spec

[gusty mirage]

right now all 3 specs play very similar

and I don't like it

[vestal wren]

sin be the sustained execute st spec

and outlaw the casino spec

[gusty mirage]

yep

plus sub already has the tools for being burst

[keen radish]

In lighter news, I got a 30~ parse on magmorax last night 😃

[steel ridge]

ST execute, thats what sin should be

[gusty mirage]

sectech-cb is giga burst

just increase the peaks of the burst

and cut down on the gloomblade damage lol

make dance matter more

[keen radish]

Zoldyks baseline 👀

[gusty mirage]

make someone be like hmm maybe wasting 2 points for 5% FW uptime is worth a 2nd dance charge

[vestal wren]

yes it has:

[steel ridge]

Earlier in tree

[gusty mirage]

even if in reality it'll never be the play

[keen radish]

Deal

[gusty mirage]

you too?

sadly

[keen radish]

I can get behind that compromise

[gusty mirage]

not as good as brew's burst with that trinket

can someone explain to me

how brew gets like 6k dps from a heroic beacon?

[vestal wren]

haven't gotten beacon yet

[steel ridge]

Versa stacking

[vestal wren]

but heroic 2p

ethical 2p2p gamer

[gusty mirage]

but like

[keen radish]

Had a brew in a key yesterday who absolutely turbo pumped damage it was unreal

[gusty mirage]

other vers stacking specs don't get brew damage

here lemme show you our wowaudit for droptimizers

[steel ridge]

idk our brew turbo scales of most trinkets aswell

[gusty mirage]

(mine is averaged between sin/sub)

[vestal wren]

brew/veil/dd nerfs rly lowered the damge of it

[gusty mirage]

5k dps bro

[vestal wren]

i mean sin just goes iredius + 💣

or nelth + 💣

[gusty mirage]

beacon > fragment

fragment is actually kind of mediocre

[steel ridge]

Fragment is ass idk

[vestal wren]

fragment sims higher

slightly

[gusty mirage]

fragment was oversimming though

[steel ridge]

hate that its 3 min

[gusty mirage]

slight oversim

[vestal wren]

still is?

[keen radish]

I’m getting HC bomb or Beacon in vault on Wednesday guarenteed

[gusty mirage]

but oversim none the less

[vestal wren]

fair

[keen radish]

Oh? I’m so glad I ran 13 HOIs this week for it

[gusty mirage]

heroic beacon is 0.4% more dps than my 441 fragment

seems kinda meh

tbh

like it's a solid trinket

but nowhere near omegabis

[flint tusk]

Wish we’d got heroic sark down so i could vault the beacon.
#i’ve has shit rolls so far so maybe my vault is where my luck is this season

[subtle tundra]

oh

so im not farming fragment

its not bis

COOL

thanks

[gusty mirage]

now when it comes to my mythic icon

it's a bit more than 0.4% dps

[keen radish]

Sepsis or Exs?

[subtle tundra]

its gonna take a while for me to get trinkets

[gusty mirage]

stepsis

[subtle tundra]

lets just say i hate masterloot

[gusty mirage]

I'm not playing exsang ever again if I can help it

idc if its slightly worse

[keen radish]

Exsang still sims 1.2k more* for me

[gusty mirage]

yeah if you replace puzzle box

it'll be lower

[keen radish]

Meant more sorry. But still not playing that shit

[gusty mirage]

sepsis build was like

0.2% worse for me with puzzlebox

[paper haven]

Hello everyone ! I have a question will the new set help the spec to rise in m+?

[gusty mirage]

no

[keen radish]

I’m stuck with Frag and Dice atm

[paper haven]

RIP

[gusty mirage]

frag and dice are gud trinkets

until you can get your beacon + bomb

[paper haven]

Will the spec still be playable for 20+ keys? or only good for raid :/

[keen radish]

My frag is like dog though cus the one time it dropped was with a guildies alt so it’s 411 and guess who doesn’t have any Drakes left this week

[keen radish]

Playable yes

There was a dude who got KSH last tier with Sin

[paper haven]

Because I love the spec and I'm really less of a fan of the others haha

[undone eagle]

1 question guys, regarding m+ bis gear, why are many of them vers/haste stats?

does it rly sim higher than mast/crit?

[balmy condor]

Every spec is able to do 20’s

They have to be

That’s how tuning works

[steel ridge]

Zerocool reached 3500 rio as sin

[balmy condor]

If a spec can’t do 20’s it’s actually just buff city

[keen radish]

Agreege

[paper haven]

Zerocool is the best rogue sin too

[balmy condor]

Ehhhhh……

[somber sparrow]

even I was able to get to 2600 at assassination. I didn't try to push higher

[steel ridge]

No thats whispyr

[balmy condor]

God no

[steel ridge]

[paper haven]

Because I'm starting as a rogue, (I've been playing the rogue for 1 month) and I'm up to 2k3 at the end of s1 and I'd like to rush the 3k on s2 haha

[keen radish]

Wasn’t Sin the only spec that only had 1 person at Hero? I think even bear drood had a few right?

[eager solstice]

Zero cool is best sin at least in mplus, no question about that

[steel ridge]

wdym i saw you wipe in uldaman like a god

[balmy condor]

There’s plenty of good sin rogues I just don’t like when people are like “oh X is the best for sure” because that’s not really how it works

Especially in m+

[gusty mirage]

@subtle tundra is #1 in my heart

[keen radish]

Stop being modest hunny you know you’re him

[balmy condor]

I don’t think people realize that m+ is more time investment than anything

[paper haven]

i play 13 hours per day actually

[steel ridge]

[gusty mirage]

at a certain point 13 hours per day ends up being like

5 keys

cause you spend 90% of your time in LFG

[royal lantern]

what about me

[gusty mirage]

he said best, not cutest

[royal lantern]

[paper haven]

If you ever have any advice for the spec, whether it's macros or other, I'm interested

^^

[gusty mirage]

@gray crest remembers our guildie legit sitting in LFG for 3-4 hours and getting 1 key done

lol

[storm belfry]

or internally dying

[limber lion]

I find it intriguing how the first things people get stuck on are stats and macros, both equally useless

[gray crest]

Raenz?

[gusty mirage]

I'm also equally useless

[gusty mirage]

yep

his title push that last weekend he played like 18 hours a day and managed to get 4 keys done

to secure it

[gray crest]

Yeah lol

[storm belfry]

ppl always focus on secondaries over gameplay in any spec or role. its wild to me

[storm forum]

Last night I had a good time playing Sepsis/Kingsbane in normal alt night. Life is good.

[storm belfry]

that sounds horrible

[subtle tundra]

Kisses you intensely

[storm belfry]

and the titles arent even that cool imo lmao

[gusty mirage]

calm down humanity

[storm forum]

Only thing to macro are 2 min trinkets to Deathmark

[storm belfry]

calming

[steel ridge]

Imagine getting obsessed over statprio n shit

[royal lantern]

hey, can you give me a macro for shadowstrike and dance and tea and gloomblade and shadowblade??

[storm forum]

can you just make it yourself? you just typed half the macro

[storm belfry]

go into any healer chat

[steel ridge]

while i have never touched exsang all season and scored the 3rd highest all star on german servers

[storm belfry]

had to tell ppl everyday that it literally doesnt affect you as much as you think it does

[steel ridge]

[storm forum]

I obsess over haste on my disc priest

[royal lantern]

wait, you are german

?

[storm forum]

haste for the haste gods

[steel ridge]

Yes

[storm forum]

i wanna do 30 man ramps in norm/heroic

[royal lantern]

lol opfer

[storm belfry]

i mean i tell them ilvl > haste and whatever else comes

[gusty mirage]

I had an argument with the DH from my old guild

who insisted he could feel the difference in 200 secondary stat

[storm belfry]

ppl asking streamers "why stop at 37.8976% haste?"

like dude

they are still gearing

[gusty mirage]

I was like you're telling me you can feel the difference between a 424 crit/haste cloak and a 424 vers/mastery cloak?

[storm belfry]

no one is chasing stats except players who arent actually actively trying to get better

[gusty mirage]

"yes"

like oh okay man

whatever you say

[storm belfry]

LOL

thats fucking straight copium feelycraft

someone asked the other day "how fucked am i for having 11% mastery?> should i drop 100 to get 250 vers?"

secondaries are just so minimal man idk

[gusty mirage]

like yeah if you completely neglect a certain stat

you'll feel the difference

[storm forum]

as a copium feelycrafter myself, I know a couple hundred rating doesnt rly feel different. But you can definitely feel the difference between 1k+.

[gusty mirage]

like if you're playing with seal fate

and you neglect crit

yeah you'll feel that

[storm belfry]

depends

imo

oh for dps sure

yeah sure

sorry was in healer mindset

[gusty mirage]

but like

1 slot

nah fam

no shot in hell

[spice spire]

Trust me, I feel it

[steel ridge]

Wanna know how i knew? A random 14 year old kid asked me to join his m+ team. I asked him how/why me. “I just looked up wcl leaderboards for a rogue” lmao

[storm belfry]

ppl ask about how much vers they should have for a 20 "is 16% too low?" its like dude, vers doesnt matter that much unless you are seveerely udner geared and are doing WF keys

[storm belfry]

[gusty mirage]

did he spell it rouge?

[royal lantern]

how do you find 14y olds playing wow

[steel ridge]

The fucker just hit me up randomly because he found me on wcl

[storm forum]

for disc and resto (only healers I play), it's the same. there have been times where a change in ring or neck has 800-1000 rating change in haste and it feels so much better/worse

[royal lantern]

nope, probs SCHURKE

[dense thorn]

does raidbots account properly for diurna ring? Keep telling me current rings are a huge upgrade over annulet and diurna.

[storm belfry]

this has happened to me as rdruid

[steel ridge]

Actually i think he did

[spice spire]

Do you have a cowl too?

[gusty mirage]

like the one from broodkeeper?

[dense thorn]

I have toxic patch

[steel ridge]

Imagine you want shroud soooo desperately that you hit up random dudes you find on wcl

[gusty mirage]

cause the haste/mastery absorb shield one would be replaced pretty easily

cause it's just a stat stick

[steel ridge]

Next lvl LFG

[royal lantern]

btw, i had that weird moment yesterday where i could not consume the 2nd sepsis ambush on pull because i got so many blindside procs

[gusty mirage]

nah bro ask quake

nothing fishy about blindside at all

I'm a crazy person

[storm forum]

dude this happened to me twice last night on nelth

[spice spire]

You are

But

I’ve even said something is up pal

[dense thorn]

from eranog

[spice spire]

[gusty mirage]

yeah if you don't have a way to proc it, you said you're not playing cowl

any ring would replace the eranog ring

try simming it with the shadowflame enchant on one of your daggers

also is it a 421 ring?

or 408?

[dense thorn]

I thought/heard toxic embellishment procced it?

[gusty mirage]

toxic embellishment doesn't do fire damage

so it wouldn't proc it

that's why we played cowl, to proc the ring

[steel ridge]

Last vault gave me the 431 ring with the shield 🙈

[storm forum]

we can swap to the toxic embellishments from cowl because now there are additional ways to proc fire damage, like the raid trinket and new shadowflame enchant

I was surprised we dont put a fire gem in our onyx rings too

[dense thorn]

gotcha

[steel ridge]

Probably a thing to compensate for additional sources

Just not „BiS“

[manic igloo]

whats the alternative to exsang? or do you kind of have to play with it in ST?

[undone eagle]

Isn't Parrotfeather Cloak (crit/mastery) > Mammoth-Trainer's Drape (mastery/crit) ? or they are very similar?

[steel ridge]

You never had to play it at all. Sepsis is now better for some profiles since it got fixed to work with mastery

[manic igloo]

would you be able to link a import string for the build you are using? @steel ridge

[steel ridge]

#assassination-faq !whispyr

[undone eagle]

.

[gusty mirage]

the faq ones aren't updated yet

[storm forum]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[steel ridge]

Read the pinned then

i cannot link anything, since my character is 4.000km away from my sorry ass

[gusty mirage]

BMQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIFJSCiQJBAAAAAAQSAkIAAAAAAASDJOQJJkkkkWKJikQCRiFE

to save you the browsing

[manic igloo]

ty all

[undone eagle]

it says fragments earned 150/150 that means i cant get anymore this week?

how much do they increase next reset in this case?

[gusty mirage]

that's a sim question, but honestly it doesn't matter either way. It's swapping a bit of crit for a bit of mastery

[gusty mirage]

150 next reset

[undone eagle]

so each reset +150?

[gusty mirage]

yeppers

[undone eagle]

Thnx Thnx

[gusty mirage]

each week we can get 10 crests

[undone eagle]

yep

also its not guaranteed to get 15 fragments everytime on a timed key right?

it was 12-15 or smth i think

[storm forum]

12 for a timed key, 5 for an untimed key I thought

[gusty mirage]

ya

[undone eagle]

oh so u never get 15 ??

[gusty mirage]

12 for timed, 5 for untimed

[undone eagle]

or in raids i think it was

[gusty mirage]

raid you get 10 for the first 7 bosses and 15 for the last 2

[undone eagle]

aah right

thanks!

anyways it will be easy to farm the fragments anyways

so nothing to worry about 😂

[gusty mirage]

yeah esp next week

16s will be easier now that people will have more gear

[keen radish]

Is wowanalyzer any good still? Trying to figure out my 36 parse on Hc magmorax

[undone eagle]

zerg runs n shit 😄

[gusty mirage]

and know the dungeons

[gusty mirage]

ya our good friend @main vessel fixed it up for assassination

🙂

[undone eagle]

Did they tell us which week they will remove fragment cap?

prob after a few months as usual

[gusty mirage]

I'd imagine 10.1.5

[undone eagle]

mhm oki

cheers

[steel ridge]

At the earliest

[gusty mirage]

which from blizzard's timeline

isn't that far away

lol

[steel ridge]

last season they didn’t remove it with .5

[storm belfry]

[steel ridge]

shortly after tho

[gusty mirage]

everything seems super sped up this expac

which is kinda cool

[steel ridge]

absolutely

[gusty mirage]

no more 9 month tiers

lol

[steel ridge]

10.1.5. Probably in 6-8 weeks or something

[keen radish]

What a Chad. Although it says everything was fine 😬 I’ll do more investigation I thinks. Thank you

[vestal wren]

i assume the idea is to make 6 month cycles

going away from the SL 8 month ones

[gusty mirage]

thank god

[main vessel]

if there are more things that I can update on WoWA, please let me know 🙂

it'll go in my backlog

[spice spire]

Any sin updates you have mister topple (to fix the spec)

[keen radish]

Appreciate your work. Always a useful tool. I will say it used to give a bit more of a run down of the “basics” of a rotation and where you compared to that. I noticed it was still like that for some other specs - but the layout was different for Assa. Not sure if that’s a new intended thing or if I just need to look around a bit! Thanks again pal

[gusty mirage]

you're beautiful and ily

how's that for your backlog

[main vessel]

[thorn fjord]

Damn and they got a beacon drop

[main vessel]

it's a new approach we're calling the Guide (old version was the Checklist); it's better in multiple ways but is missing some of the functionality of the old style. if there are particular things you'd want called out in a similar manner, I can definitely look into it

the old way was frequently just "you could have pressed X 34 times but you only pressed it 24 times, git gud" and couldn't do additional context like "you cast Envenom at 2 CP but it was Animacharged so it was fine"

[keen radish]

I see, it’s definitely better in that sense. Was a bit concerned at a 32 log (18 bracket) and it says I did everything great lol

[winter gale]

ST build for HC Sark?

[rain oyster]

Talents are a crutch

[timid haven]

Is it best to wait until we ghet aspect crests to make our slimy boots? Or can we make it at 424 ish?

[proper tapir]

Mythic +

[fleet pagoda]

what's the expected uptime of call to suffering? I acquired one and so far it seems to be up for anywhere between 10%-30%. i'm also never seeing it proc during deathmark. and i know i'm baiting myself with this but it seems to proc a lot more without sbs - at best i'm paranoid at worst maybe sbs isn't contributing to the proc rate?

[keen radish]

Gonna cost you the same amount of crests - provided you don’t do upgrade with Wyrm first

[timid haven]

nah i sed my wyrms on a wep already

used*

[keen radish]

Sim it but probs still good

[timid haven]

i did and its a 3k increase

People keep telling me to wait and i dont understand why

[fleet pagoda]

i'd assume the reason for waiting is the finite availability of crests right now

[keen radish]

Fomo in case of balance changes maybe but I can’t see it happening. And even if it does if you’re farming 10 a week you’re not gonna be far behind enough to notice

[fleet pagoda]

oh, maybe. didn't expect we'd still be concerned about tuning changes

[lucid mirage]

What do I put my toxic armor patch? is there a best item

[fleet pagoda]

the slimy expulsion bois

assuming you made that

[spice spire]

You can do anything it doesn’t matter

[lucid mirage]

oh i can put it ON the boots, im doing that tomorrow

sick ty

[royal lantern]

you see, spreadsheet said you can get X ilvl by week3 if you upgrade this very specific way!!!!!! (just ignore that you need item drops in all slots, tier items on all slots and perfect trinkets) so you should not use them at all

[spice spire]

As long as it doesn’t interrupt your tier

[royal lantern]

🙂

[versed mica]

You can't put an embellishment on an embellishment item

[timid haven]

i was trold u can add the patch to boots cuz its already embellished.

[balmy condor]

correct

patch is an embellishment

just like the boots

[versed mica]

So you CAN put patch on slimy boots?

[timid haven]

Are we crafting a chest pice since tier stats are ass?

i was thinkn bracers but the chest stats are doo doo

[balmy condor]

NO

YOU CANT

STOP

[royal lantern]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[timid haven]

So what about the chest craft tho @balmy condor

[versed mica]

Sorry I was legitimately confused lmao

[balmy condor]

what, no

[timid haven]

ok im just trying to figure out best craft. My brain says bracers

also whats ur thoughts on waiting to craft the boots?

[thorn fjord]

I went boots first

🤷‍♂️

[timid haven]

yes im going boots first but im being told to wait for aspect crests form 16s

[fleet pagoda]

i'm in shambles trying to figure out the proc rate of call to suffering. it seems to proc only when it wants to, qualifying events be damned

[timid haven]

My sims say its a 3k increase now even

[deft flicker]

Yoo, sepsis icon

Thank you Whispyr

hoping that outlaw gets Dreadblades icon some day

[subtle tundra]

everyday i pray for outlaws downfall

i'd say nothing personal

but it is 100% personal bias

[versed mica]

I don't have to pray for sin's downfall bc it already fell

[strange python]

[versed mica]

But the real threat is sub, sin and outlaw should join forces to dunk on sub players

[gusty mirage]

[gusty mirage]

how does it feel to be the significantly worse version of fury warrior

at least assassination is uniquely dogshit

unlike outlaw

[versed mica]

My friend who plays fury warrior would be offended

[gusty mirage]

he probably can't read anyway

it's fine

outlaw rogue is for fury enjoyers who have working brains

[spice spire]

[versed mica]

He's actually working on a PhD in chemical engineering no joke lmao

[gusty mirage]

yeah and I'm a lawyer

and I'm dumb as fuck

I still play wow

there's zero chance I'm intelligent

[somber hill]

same actually

[versed mica]

Good thing you got sin to play then :)

[gusty mirage]

dw I play all 3 rogue specs

equally as poorly

[versed mica]

Hell yea brother

[gusty mirage]

can't get any weapons to drop from keys

and the 1handers in raid are reserved for the real ST melee classes

like DH and enhance

havoc simming for 145k ST

don't believe their lies anymore

[versed mica]

I never did

[gusty mirage]

blessed

[spice spire]

A real one

[versed mica]

I played DH in BFA, I know they are secretly OP every tier

[fleet pagoda]

is this really a thing?

[gusty mirage]

sure is

[subtle tundra]

i got from hc sakreth or whatever his name is Pog

sakaka

[gusty mirage]

now you can craft your slimy boots

[subtle tundra]

theyve been crafted already i knew i'd drop them from hc

[spice surge]

Im the reason your boots are slimy

[subtle tundra]

i am Jesus

[gusty mirage]

this is why you're #1 rouge in my heart

[gusty mirage]

[subtle tundra]

there's a chance i get 4pc and beacon

tonight

but thats cope

[spice spire]

Zenith tier is cursed for me

[subtle tundra]

playing hunter is much more fun

omg

bm goes hard

playing range is more fun

[green juniper]

rogue bois can someone suggest me nice addon for group finder like if someone decline me I dont wanna apply agane

[viscid spear]

[eager sorrel]

Premade group filter

[thorn fjord]

QQ guys... I'd need to use gear compare to check sims on Toxic patch before having it?

[green juniper]

hmm I had premade group FINDER I was like this is shit

[thorn fjord]

How do i sim embellishments wtf i cant figure it out lol

[gusty mirage]

do you have any crafted gear in your bags

[thorn fjord]

No... Would i have to add the life binder wrist line of code to my bag in order to sim it?

[gusty mirage]

yes

waist=,id=193407,gem_id=192922,bonus_id=8836/8840/8902/9405/8846/8791/9365/9436,crafted_stats=32/49,crafting_quality=5

here

have my belt

[thorn fjord]

Then i can add embellishment via top gear?

[gusty mirage]

and set ilvl on it

to whatever you'd craft the belt to

[tacit wedge]

can i soak the shrapnel bombs on Zskarn?

[thorn fjord]

Gotcha i see now

TY

[forest acorn]

Evasion does not work no

[tacit wedge]

ok that explain the 500k i took

[spice spire]

To say you can’t would be lying; you absolutely can. And feint does work.
But it absolutely will pop cheat

[tacit wedge]

everything can be soaked once...

[spice spire]

True

[tacit wedge]

but like it'll pop cheat and healers will have to pump healing to manage the dot

[spice spire]

Yes

Dps should not be soaking

Tanks should be able to

[shrewd plover]

hello guys, i drop Dragonfire Bomb Dispenser in NM, did i up iLVL instant ?

[gusty mirage]

sure

you'll be drowning in crests in a week or two

very good trinket

ideally you get 2 trinkets from m+

so its just flight stones to upgrade

but it is what it is

[shrewd plover]

Ok thank u

[raven light]

do i get the dmg buff on garrote after using sepsis?

[gusty mirage]

yes

[raven light]

thank you

[pulsar dirge]

i think whenever adds get involved (like Zsarn) sbs gains a lot of value

not so fast sepsis enthusiast

[gusty mirage]

in what way

the bonus combo point?

because those adds should melt

if they live long enough for the sbs dot to matter

you're not killing it on mythic

[pulsar dirge]

Im not killing it on mythic right now for sure

maybe my team doesnt focus them enough

[strange python]

crimson tempest or nah on forgotten experiments?

[gusty mirage]

crimson tempest on forgotten experiments

big chunk of the fight is at least 2T cleave

[green juniper]

zskarn is hard to pug...

[strange python]

only 21% of sin rogues take it tho

so far

[gusty mirage]

yeah how many have killed it though

like 20?

[strange python]

yes, point being?

[gusty mirage]

people play less than ideal talents all the time

[subtle tundra]

i got 4pc ;3

[gusty mirage]

GAMER

I'm all in on varas stonks this season

[grim tangle]

I just copy pasted the rank 1 talent build for experiments, worked okay

[subtle tundra]

ok someone just told me i bought "pvp item"

i dont know what that is

[gusty mirage]

oh no

[grim tangle]

oh no

[gusty mirage]

did you buy the pvp item with the omni token?

[subtle tundra]

yes

i didnt know it was a thing

i bought fast cause i was getting summoned for first boss mythic

[strange python]

[tacit wedge]

got socket on head, seems i'm keeping my lariat

[balmy condor]

[subtle tundra]

i saw legs, tier set

bought

oh well

[tacit wedge]

truely a gamer

[bleak sky]

[subtle tundra]

ok what if i open a ticket?

[gusty mirage]

I would

[balmy condor]

the gm will laugh at you

[subtle tundra]

im losing the lambent armor kit

[gusty mirage]

just in case

[subtle tundra]

i beg him i tell him i will also lose 10k gold and i accept it

(big sum of moneys)

its ok im benched for next 2 bosses anyways

i see why

[tacit wedge]

poisoned edge is the 2P spellname, right?

[gusty mirage]

yeppers

[undone eagle]

What tier slot should i avoid out of all 5?

[balmy condor]

none

[subtle tundra]

Ok so i was really hyped to get 4pc on my character since its a really cool effect on assassination rogue, and i had to do it fast since my guild was starting mythic raid and i didnt want to make them wait for me(i was panicked)
I bought Hands with the omni token and then the Legs using the Draconic Mark of Mastery. Only during the encounter Assault of The Zaqali a guild mate has noticed me i bought the wrong Legs, being the pvp variant which can't be upgrade any further. It is an honest mistake made in the heat of battle(my guild master screaming at me for slowing the raid). Please if you could revert my transaction of the token, or rather change them to the PvE version, i beg. If the rest of my guild finds out, they will make fun of me. They gave me the last Omni token we had so i could get 4pc and i buy the wrong thing....
@gusty mirage is this good? youre a lawyer you know this kind of shit

[woeful wigeon]

@balmy condor why sepsis suck for me ? XD

[bleak sky]

looks great, bench time

[subtle tundra]

oh yea im getting my fish to eat and chill

maybe watch barry

only watched 2 episodes

[bleak sky]

pins?

[woeful wigeon]

i know bro was a joke

[fast fog]

[onyx linden]

Is Mythic Icon just OP? With all three it still sims almost equal compared to Nelth trinket.

I guess once people start swapping it out it loses a lot of value

[uncut echo]

Tanks and heals drop icon p quickly.

[burnt latch]

bossie down assa seemed pretty good tbh

[tacit wedge]

😩

when blindside hits just right

[undone eagle]

Omni token?? 😮

Is that still bugged for 2k rio?

[woeful meteor]

no

assuming you hit 2k now

if you hit 2k before they fixed it you havent gotten it

[runic gorge]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[woeful wigeon]

so the bis crafted is the wrist ? then

[undone eagle]

Thank god i didnt

So i can only get 1 omni token from the 3 alternetives?

Or can i get 3 of them by doing all 3 alternatives?

(2k + hc clear + challenger ll )

[woeful meteor]

1 omni for whatever you do first

also my guildies that did 2k pre fix just had their token in the mail

[fast fog]

Is it 2k or 2200?

Might have been misinformed.

[subtle stream]

Noob question: what should we put the tox patch on?

[sweet dawn]

2k

[fast fog]

Thanks dad

[eager solstice]

Wish we would have seen assa in at least 1 fight by top 5 teams unless I missed it

[bitter cargo]

we stacking haste gems for sin?

[gusty mirage]

no

[proper tapir]

Generally crit / mastery

[gusty mirage]

sim it my dude

[toxic ocean]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[gaunt moat]

@tacit wedge #assassination message

[blazing jewel]

Did you play cheat or elusiveness

[burnt latch]

cheat

[blazing jewel]

I’m starting rashok tonight

[burnt latch]

^^ gl

[zealous cosmos]

Quick question for all, I saw that sepsis is now good. when do we slot it in our opener/rotation?

[gaunt moat]

So uh like... sin ST damage pretty good right now on heroic (sarkerath heroic. boss damage)

[tacit otter]

the opener is in the pins

[zealous cosmos]

thanks

[grim tangle]

if you can kill experiments...

[viscid spear]

You can dodge a wrench?

[limber lion]

Let's see the parses

[next dune]

If you tunneling and not doing bombs, sure

[gaunt moat]

of course

[somber sparrow]

rogues don't do bombs, come on 😄

[limber lion]

If you're parsing a 99 and the mage is getting a green 31, it doesn't say too much

[gaunt moat]

mage died and had 70% uptime

[limber lion]

[grim tangle]

so why is there a sepsis icon but not an sbs one

[spice spire]

Amen

[gusty mirage]

its the exsang one

[balmy condor]

[gusty mirage]

take it or leave it

[balmy condor]

why isn't there an AP icon

[gusty mirage]

add one

[balmy condor]

I literally can't fuu's asleep

role reacts have to be parsed into the bot

he'd have to change the code

[brazen lagoon]

hey, my WA isn't triggering the emporewed garrote thing after sepsis

is it a bug ?

[balmy condor]

are you asking why your wa isn't tracking empowered garrote

or why sepsis isn't triggering empowered garrote

[storm belfry]

A healer stole my fragment

[brazen lagoon]

yeah, it works when i use vanish and stealth

or sepsis isn't triggering it ?

[storm belfry]

Where can I acquire this sepsis emote

[balmy condor]

that didn't actually clarify

anything

you just repeated yourself

is it a weakaura question

or is it a game

pick one

[brazen lagoon]

Is sepsis triggering empowered garrote ?

[balmy condor]

yes

[brazen lagoon]

well my WA isn't triggering the green bubble (turns green when emporewed garrote)

[balmy condor]

sorry to hear that

[brazen lagoon]

but it does when i use classic methods

[storm belfry]

I have found it nvm

[brazen lagoon]

dont know why it doesn't act normal on sepsis proc

[balmy condor]

I would assume cause your WA doesn't track sepsis in the list of sources for empowered garrote

[brazen lagoon]

but at least it is working so thanks :p

[next dune]

Guessing he using Luxthos WA. It doesnt track sepsis garrotes unless that changed earlier today

[brazen lagoon]

i'm gonna update and see

yeah i do

[vapid sierra]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/LuxthosRogueDragonflight (Luxthos's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[vapid sierra]

is guys modification of afenar bad for sin?

dont see it on here

[balmy condor]

I would be surprised if he even touched any of the sin stuff

[brazen lagoon]

20secs until the truth

he didn't ^^

[balmy condor]

Could just check the changelog

[brazen lagoon]

so much sarcasm here

[balmy condor]

I’m not being sarcastic

I’m just suggesting it so you can check back every now and then to see if he updated it

[brazen lagoon]

i mean the way you talk, but it's not a bad thing

but he didn't update it btw

[main vessel]

whispyr be sarcastic to me

[keen spruce]

I think luxthos is updated to handle sepsis garrote

the rest idk

[gusty mirage]

stop flirting with whispyr in front of me, it makes me jealous

[spice spire]

Stop lusting for whispyr in front of me, it makes me jealous

[gusty mirage]

listing?

[spice spire]

Bro autocorrect

[gusty mirage]

we call it heroism now bro

cross faction guilds

get with the times grandpa

[thorn fjord]

Gross

[blazing jewel]

I’m going to turn off the lights and say sepsis at the bathroom mirror three times to see if whispyr shows up

[gusty mirage]

best you're gonna get is seli doing a disappointed glare

which may just be his regular face as he's german

[balmy condor]

I literally just posted the changelog

showing that it isn't

[drifting cloud]

think someone posted the workaround here before

its just not in the actual pack

maybe notter

[keen spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/my-bad-baltimore-orioles-gif-3540816

i thought someone last night was fkin around with it and mentioned it was up to date. they confused ig

[royal lantern]

always did

cus i was alliance for 70% of my wow time

heroism>bloodlust

[grim jay]

That was mean

But also kinda true

Du Schlingel

[storm belfry]

[gilded oasis]

Yes notter posted how to get it working

using Luxthos pack

[storm forum]

!FUU

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[gusty mirage]

[marsh ferry]

and here's the link #assassination message

[normal mist]

Question, does every character gets the free token for the tier?

or just the first character?

[gaunt moat]

I've also made a WA to show Sepsis is active
https://wago.io/Lgy47ma7G

I should probably adapt it to Outlaw's ambush proc as well.

[runic hinge]

This was a blessing in my raid last night thank you.

[gaunt moat]

Happy to hear that 🙂

[violet jackal]

i'm at 38% crit surely I can swap to howing runes right? right?

[restive falcon]

what was the opener for sepsis again

Garrote - SND - Sepsis - Ambush - 5cp rupture- then is it shiv - DM- then echoing repair or no

[austere fulcrum]

Is it better to keep vanish for after opener atm ? So we do opener ( sepsis ) / stealth- improved grt-snd-sepsis-shiv-rapture and so on. Or we vanish-garrote- dm for max value as before ?

[tacit otter]

you use vanish for the first refresh of the emp garrote:)

while dm is active

[austere fulcrum]

Thank u paul, so basically we kee it for after opener, to have longer time on emp garrote, correct ?

[tacit otter]

you use it there to get it up for 2nd dm to lineup

• to use early + combopoints for env:)

[austere fulcrum]

Good point, okay so it is not part of the main opener but little 2nd opener 😛

Thanks again

[winged basin]

does CoS work on Zskarn bombs?

[winged basin]

hell yeah

idk was asking for friend

[spice spire]

if you're down cataclysmic

you can possibly feint survive with cheat up

otherwise 💀

[strange python]

@balmy condor

[gusty mirage]

@subtle tundra

[violet talon]

Just catching up on all of Whispyr's conclusions from the Sepsis data, but I'm confused on something and I'm hoping someone here can help me understand. In summarizing the results, it says the main reason for Sepsis underperforming is because people were sending in Exsang logs with SBS and non-exsang logs with Sepsis. But on the simulation sheet, it seems to clearly set Sepsis (no exsang) as the standard, and SBS (with exsang) as performing lower - which is why I think many of us submitted logs in that way.

Is this a situation that only occurs reliably with 4/4 T30?

[balmy condor]

the spreadsheet is in bis gear

people's submissions are not

can't compare the 2

[main vessel]

large data

[violet talon]

Thanks, that's what I was thinking

[quaint condor]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[runic hinge]

You’re also incomparable

[brazen zodiac]

c:

[balmy condor]

according to my logs I'm very comparable

average in fact

[shut owl]

gonna miss running sepsis in m+ next week

[balmy condor]

you're ill

[shut owl]

I may be ill; but its keeping me on top of the boards and cranking on bosses >;3

[balmy condor]

you don't play with a shadow priest and it show

[shut owl]

I'm usually the shadow :/

topping the meters is primarily due to other dps licking the floor from learning how the fights work this week.

[storm belfry]

man you do not need sepsis to crank bosses in m+ lol

[shut owl]

its +2.5% ST, -1% aoe, -0.5% dslice sim for me, and it seems to be working better for me with pugs than standard.

[balmy condor]

-0.5% dslice

taking sepsis over carnage

[shut owl]

no

what

insanity

[balmy condor]

over shrouded?

[shut owl]

take doomblade/sepsis over shrouded. yep

[balmy condor]

disgusting

[shut owl]

oh for sure

[storm belfry]

yeah i just am still running m+ build

[wind condor]

Experiments feels pretty good as sin tbh, the 3 execute windows comes in handy

[stoic phoenix]

lusting on 2 makes it the only one without a deathmark which is kinda tragic tbh if you deathmark in execute tho

still lots of fights with good targets for execute that have high hp and high prio

[limber walrus]

Has anyone else noticed that they can re-stealth on Experiments in between the bosses?

[runic hinge]

Yes

[idle inlet]

how important is windfury for your damage

[runic hinge]

You can check bloodmallet I think for sims but WF is pretty good for rogues

[balmy condor]

it's like 2500 dps or something

[fleet pagoda]

is dropping exsang to take up the first FoK talent worth it for Sark? or is it group dependant?

It's doing about 3-4% of my damage wiping at 20%ish

[balmy condor]

if fok is doing 3-4% of your damage

you would have to double your fok damage by talenting into pk

or whatever it is

the first fok talent

I'm not sure 5% crit and 15% damage is going to double your fok damage

[fleet pagoda]

probably not 🙂 ty

[balmy condor]

np

[upper trail]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[balmy condor]

!pd

[prisma monolith]

Pandemic takes up to 30% of the duration of a applied dot/buff and adds it to your new applied one. The duration depends on the new instance.
Example: Garrote (18 sec) can be extended by up to 5.4 seconds from an existing instance.
Note: Pandemic applies to most but not all debuffs/buffs

[gaunt moat]

If you're playing sin, you gotta so sin things and stick to boss.
Adds will be dealt with by more aoe capable specs.