I dont think that should matter for gamedesign tho
#assassination
brazen lantern
marble hemlock
depletion is important because as with everything else in life, you learn the most by the things that go wrong. if something works out or you "succeed" you dont really think about what you couldve done to improve, you just move on to the next thing.
if something fails, you are forced to analyze and figure out what you or the people around you couldve done to keep that from happening. so fail-modes are incredibly important to self-improvement.
brazen lantern
But you still fail, you still sink time into it
marble hemlock
worst kind of player to play with: "yo guys this run we just did was #1 world key, fucking POOOOG"
best kind of player to play with "yo btw it seems the run we did earlier was #1 key, lmao that was such a shitshow how is it even #1"
marble hemlock
But you still fail, you still sink time into it
whats wrong with failing?
brazen lantern
I mean if you go in and fail the timer anyways, wouldnt you still want to fix it and analyze how to?
Why does your key have to go down a level?
Feels like unneccesary punishment
marble hemlock
success wouldnt feel as meaningful if it wasnt preceded by failure
because youd be backto what i just said
brazen lantern
But the failure would still be there
marble hemlock
thats how m+ used to work, and it fucking sucked
deft flicker
IMO depletion is more about getting a different key than lowering its level
storm belfry
Depletion isn’t a problem imo
marble hemlock
theres also a few other important factors that go into "having to play up keys again":
playing up keys is a skill in and by itself. youve seen that during TGP, where some teams were able to 3-chest their keys when playing them up, others didnt. so by being good at playing up keys, you save a lot of time compared to other teams that cant do that as well as you. thats skill expression
it also allows some phases of rest during a long pushing session. pushing toptier keys 8hrs straight is exhausting as fuck. but when you push for 2-3 hours, adn then you deplete a bunch and can chill a bit in lower keys, thats a lot less stressful
then theres the benefit of being able to actually try new stuff. you wouldnt try that in the possible score upgrade, but when its 2 levels lower cuz of some depletes, youre more likely to just try a new route or pulling trash with boss, and if it works in a +24, you might try it in the +25 next
storm belfry
It’s not having just a blank keystone w a level and affixes on it to be put into any dungeon
keen aurora
But you always have the option to just deplete the key manually if you want
marble hemlock
so depletion of keys serves a lot of purposes, that are very critical to becoming a better player, and id hate it if it was no longer in the game. people would just throw themselves at the same key over and over until they succeed
thats fun for a few days, and then its exhausting as fuck
keen aurora
That's already what they do. That's literally what pushing IO is
brazen lantern
Thats what they do already yep
marble hemlock
spoken like people who never played MDI time trials
storm belfry
Yeah but they can’t do it to the degeneracy that he is saying
If you would’ve read earlier you’d know lol
marble hemlock
you have no idea what it means to spam the same key for 3 days straight 14hrs a day
and how fucking garbage it is
maybe that comes off as elitist, but like, i cant imagine anybody actually enjoying that
i dont know anybody who enjoys it, at least. the fun part about it is finding strategies, but thats because its a one-time event, not all year round
storm belfry
Unless a group gets insanely lucky they won’t have the same key all night
marble hemlock
variety is important
and blizzard understands that, and removed degen strategies that allowed people to circumvent having to play all keys, of different levels
brazen lantern
But then what youre saying it would be degen at the very high end
marble hemlock
they got rid of just resetting the key without depletion, they got rid of key rerolling like we had it in bfa
it would be degen everywhere
keen aurora
You're acting like people won't have the option to run someone else's key if we take depleting out of M+. There are still 4 other players with keys, and if you acknowledge smashing your face into a brick wall is just breaking everyone's mental you can just run someone else's key for a bit for a breather
storm belfry
I am a bit in between on it cause I do wish we had a blank keystone
keen aurora
If you decide not to do that that's your choice, not bad game design
marble hemlock
because the majority of players dont play m+ because they have fun doing it. they play m+ to gain score because high score = good player and good player+highscore = they can become the next big m+ streamer and earn lots of money just by being good at m+ but that needs high score.
keen aurora
That is objectively not why the majority of players play M+
storm belfry
I bet you it is
marble hemlock
its objectively why many people in the top100 play m+
marble hemlock
its also objectively the reason why no one talks during breaks anymore, because everybody is busy talking to chat while 1 or 2 people discuss routes 🙂
then you start key
"what are we doing again?"
royal lantern
i do keys for gear and thats it 
storm belfry
So many though imo don’t even have the personality for it. And ppl are there cause “copy streamer 
“ but that’s another story
royal lantern
idk, never saw the appeal of pushing, but thats a personal thing
storm belfry
i do keys for gear and thats it <:kekdog:907207037757296710>
I do for fun score and gear. I just don’t let shit make me feel bad about what I’m doing
marble hemlock
You're acting like people won't have the option to run someone else's key if we ...
with how teamfocused m+ has become, that doesnt really happen. a group of 5 isnt gonna kick one of their players after depleting all their keys, just to keep spamming highkeys. they are forced to run "low" keys for a while and play them back up, and they can do so while doing a weekly for one of their alts or boost it to gain gold or simply to chillax and clown around a bit.
all of those are pretty important to the m+ ecosystem
if were talking strictly about the pugging scene, ofc that happens a lot. which is why youd want to not pug keys, but play with the same people, or people who dont have these shitty traits.
brazen lantern
But 90% of people are scoreobsessed
marble hemlock
theres a reason why people with such an attitude have to pug keys, instead of playing with the same group all the time
brazen lantern
At a high level even
marble hemlock
But 90% of people are scoreobsessed
absolutely. and its part of the reason why theyre not as good as they could be
at the highest level its a lot less frequent
marble hemlock
than in the "t2" scene
marble hemlock
if youre stressing out over score upgrades at the very top, youre not gonna be liked very much
because it makes you less fun to be around, and it makes you perform worse
storm belfry
Yep. Same goes for staring at damage/healing meters or prog parse whores
marble hemlock
watch the real goats of m+ and youll see that even if they deplete, their demeanor doesnt really change. they still laugh, have fun, and arent getting mad at each other even though that couldve been a new best score run
storm belfry
You just play bad focusing on shit that you shouldn’t put your focus on
storm belfry
watch the real goats of m+ and youll see that even if they deplete, their demean...
Yeah usually see them get mad at themselves if anything
marble hemlock
only time ive seen robin get a bit mad, and even that didnt last long, was in our #1 atal when stone decided to taunt the boss into the spiders at 3% boss hp cuz he thought wed kill it anyway. well, we didnt. we wiped and lost the key. unlucky, go next.
storm belfry
The better players do not point blame. Instead they look at the situation as a whole to see how it could’ve gone better and how they themselves could’ve helped for that etc
marble hemlock
marble hemlock
for the most part, the reason people dont climb in score is because they wanna climb score, and because they look for external factors why theyre not succeeding, instead of looking inward
royal lantern
@marble hemlock you gonna do keys next reset as assa again?
marble hemlock
that applies to every competitive scene, btw
storm belfry
Yep in any game or aspect of shit like that
Wanting to strive forward
But blaming things around you
marble hemlock
<@210784027752398848> you gonna do keys next reset as assa again?
idk
i have to work from 9am-9pm and fem doesnt finish work until 10pm so
might play a few hours in evenings
really depends on who is available to play, but during RWF people typically play with guilds due to prog
royal lantern
i have to work from 9am-9pm and fem doesnt finish work until 10pm so
eh, somewhat same, guild wants to spam keys pre-raid, but im at home at like 4pm .-.
gaunt moat
hah, you got got a life and responsibilities? losers 
royal lantern
yeha sorry,but i refuse to take days off for wow lol
storm belfry
I’m not taking them off for WoW
royal lantern
can no-life at the weekend
storm belfry
Well I am but
Not like extra days
My days off are mondays and Tuesdays
(I chose that)
So that’s why I’m working today
gaunt moat
Tyran, would you have taken days off if a new expansion came out
gaunt moat
When legion came out, I took 2 weeks off
i told my boss the real reason, and he said "i got you" and just told everyone else I went on vacation somewhere abroad 😂
fickle herald
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storm belfry
I usually just take like 5 or 6 days for an expac launch
gaunt moat
these days a lot of people are working from home so it's also less necessary
grim jay
I couldn’t take any off for DF
I never took days off for release
there just isnt much to be gained from that
winged veldt
couldnt be me who took off 3 weeksl ol
storm belfry
(That’s directed towards notters comment)
grim jay
cant grind much on release of an expansion, but on new tier
its a different story
tho the 2 weeks I took off just magically aligned with t30
wasnt planned
this time
storm belfry
I mean technically I take off 3 days. Cause I just do it around my original days off
So I may not even get the full days for the launch
But I agree new tier is a good time to take off generally
If you were to compare
gaunt moat
wasnt planned
You don't have to lie to us 
grim jay
You don't have to lie to us <:feelsloveman:587982296519278593>
I mean I wouldve surely taken off atleast a week since I'm a pretty competitive person by nature, but this time it really wasnt
gaunt moat
It's kinda nice the way they released 10.1
this week you get familiar with new zone, do most of the campaign etc.
then raid/m+ week you can concentrate on doing those
only downside is that it took like 2 days to get bored of new zone
royal lantern
gaunt moat
Didn't even realize that's the title name 😂
Do you know at which renown level you can get the recipes?
gusty mirage
I think the prof recipes are tied behind the annoying barter bricks thing
Which is actually toxic
subtle tundra
I think the prof recipes are tied behind the annoying barter bricks thing
the fucking what
the BRICKS?
gusty mirage
gaunt moat
Also talking about things to do.. Darkest Dungeon 2 full release today.
gusty mirage
balmy condor
!ts
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royal lantern
Also talking about things to do.. Darkest Dungeon 2 full release today.
still cant belive that crusader is not a character
when he is the most iconic one with highway man
gaunt moat
The Flaggelant is coming today though 
ruby rover
flagellant in base game setting up crusader in expansion content 
royal lantern
crusader is gonna be a boss
mark my words
and poor dismas gets a breakdown over it
gaunt moat
I've played DD2 EA when it came out. so i'm excited to see how it changes since then.
downside - i got it on epic game store 
spiral pasture
How much does assa gain from new tier currently?
gaunt moat
around 8%~
if the question is how it compares to last tier, it's a loss of around 1% afaik
sweet dawn
grim jay
around 8%~
if the question is how it compares to last tier, it's a loss of aroun...
atleast its not like the 1% wouldve saved anything
velvet bridge
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grim jay
on the other hand... if we had a 16% tierset like some other specs 
gaunt moat
atleast its not like the 1% wouldve saved anything
That reminds me of my guild telling me that after sin's buff now it could better at m+
I was like...
you know 5% of nothing is still nothing, right?
grim jay
are we winning?
if you mean the consolation prize, then yes
slim hamlet
Just need to know so I can tell people if I am or not
slim hamlet
if you mean the consolation prize, then yes
What is the consolation prize again?
grim jay
something you get when you lost so you dont feel like you lost
slim hamlet
the buff a bit ago?
slim hamlet
something you get when you lost so you dont feel like you lost
Wait we get something for losing this time?!
I am hyped then
grim jay
people telling you they need you bcs atrophic because they dont know better
so you are still in
but actually out
slim hamlet
Nah my raid leader found out about that
gaunt moat
We're gonna get hit for 2k less, pog
slim hamlet
Pretty big
That's like a whole healthbar in classic (I have never played classic in my life don't yell at me)
winged veldt
same lol only rogue, the other one rerolled lol
gaunt moat
and then you remember you have cheat death anyways
chilly viper
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chilly viper
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patent quartz
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cobalt wigeon
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vapid sierra
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vapid sierra
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royal lantern
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royal lantern
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warm sleet
!cache
royal lantern
you ruined it
jagged yoke
whats cct
gray crest
Controlled current technique, trinket from kurog
jagged yoke
ah, thanks
compact carbon
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vapid sierra
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winged veldt
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gaunt moat
I like how everyone has to get their own sim link, like it's gonna have different information
deft flicker
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echo heath
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winged veldt
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wary ice
anyone go the links to fuu or whispyrs spreadsheets?
grand trail
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clever sapphire
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winter gale
Should I craft Torc of Passed Time as a replacement for Lariat going into s2?
I have spare S1 mats
Should/could*
gusty mirage
If you want to, sure
winter gale
I dont have any other, not even from item restoration
rapid prism
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gusty mirage
Crafting it to 421 is kinda whatever
I have a 421 crit/haste neck from raid and it’s less dps than lariat rn
grim jay
honestly I would safe the spark for possible embellishment combinations that end up changing
getting a neck isnt that hard
grim jay
Then I will go with Lariat/Cowl into s2
thats fine af considering you still have sockets, no?
winter gale
It will be non embellished?
gusty mirage
Yeah dagger will be the safest craft and should be first
winter gale
Im fully socketed, y
gusty mirage
You can toss the food buff one on the dagger
grim jay
Im fully socketed, y
then it still has all its value
mostly
just as you get to replace gear with sockets it loses value
gusty mirage
Yeah lariat will lose value when you start replacing socketed gear for ilvl
By then you’d have a 2nd spark
winter gale
And a neck!
pure moth
Double shadowflame doesn't stack the benefit correct?
gusty mirage
And you’ll also be a vault or two in
Which will put less pressure on what you should craft
winter gale
Yeah
I will wait till tommorow and then ill craft the dagger, I think crafting it before reset will keep it a bit less expensive?
gusty mirage
Double shadowflame doesn't stack the benefit correct?
I’m not sure, that’s a whispyr or fuu question
winter gale
Or prices already went high?
grim jay
I’m not sure, that’s a whispyr or fuu question
it stacks damage
no procrate or anything
gusty mirage
Should be somewhat cheap still, tomorrow everything will sky rocket
winter gale
Yeah, EU here so I am counting tommorow as my last day
Dunno can something change this last day before reset, I guess dagger will stay as best choice for 1st one
winter gale
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gusty mirage
Even in OH when you reach the top ilvl gearing
grim jay
and even OH is still better than wrists
and close to cloak
people underestimate OH stat value
gusty mirage
And over estimate ilvl of OH
grim jay
actually dont know if the 450 is better in OH with the new stats
than crafted
maybe
but within margin if at all
and you need to get one or even two in that case
gusty mirage
With new stats for sure for assassination
Crit mastery gud
But by the time you’re getting double 450 daggers it’s kind of a wash
Not everyone is as blessed as whispyr to get double max ilvl daggers in one reset
grim jay
worthy moon
Hello Rogue friends.
My plan was almost 100% to main feral next tier but it's looking kinda rough. My fallback is Rogue but I only really enjoy assassination. How is Assass looking in Keys in 10.1? I do a ton of keys and really love it so I really need a decent all-rounder spec.
spice surge
I think you'd be hard pressed to find anybody calling assassination a decent all-rounder spec for m+
worthy moon
Well my allrounder I meant raid + M+
I mean, I don't hate sub so I could raid Assass raid + sub M+, I suppose.
I just hate Combat rofl
Tried it at the start of the tier and it's just too spammy and unfun to me
weak horizon
sub is stronger in ST than sin right now
so until there's balance you could go sub in raid too lol
worthy moon
No doubt but I did a bunch of raid testing and there feels like a ton of downtime which I feel hurts sub more than sin
I mean I for sure didn't optimize positioning or anything so kinda feelycraft
craggy oak
the downtime not effecting sin as much is kinda meme
spice surge
No doubt but I did a bunch of raid testing and there feels like a ton of downtim...
This is a meme, yes you lose less than sub
But like you lose 80% of your damage and he loses 85%
When out of melee range so its just a non-argument
worthy moon
Even with the CDR?
spice surge
Neither of you do basically any damage outside of melee
Ye sub loses cdr but assa loses poison stacks and envenom casts
It used to be a thing back when assa did damage with its bleeds
But now its just envenom and poisons, so it doesnt really matter
worthy moon
Fair tyvm
main vessel
@gusty mirage I would like to apologize for all of my terrible posts with the caveat that I at least made it clear that they were intentionally awful
winter gale
Atm max ilvl is 424 for crafted?
violet island
Atm max ilvl is 424 for crafted?
Were you going to use a default craft?
unborn geode
@balmy condor your top two links in top gear for normal and the no cut to chase in the top box are the same link. don't know if you have been told yet
violet island
Im about to use my 1st spark on my 421 dagger <@190271915041095690>
Yes, the default Shadow flame spark with no crest caps at 424
tacit otter
<@167090536602140682> your top two links in top gear for normal and the no cut t...
i think thats intentional, its just the sim with the different talent variations
winter gale
This week we cannot even use crafting crests?
unborn geode
i think thats intentional, its just the sim with the different talent variations
the issues is they go to the same link
they wouldn't if they are different talents
tacit otter
the issues is they go to the same link
thats as i said intentional, why should it go to different sims when the sim linked is this sim where you compare talent choices
all of these talent sets are compared to each other, and thats the sim to it
if you want to see the build used its easier to see in the quick sim link
violet island
This week we cannot even use crafting crests?
You don't have access to wyrm or aspect crests so no
unborn geode
i read that chart way different... as in it would be top gear for that spec its in the row of and not the same spec 6 times thats simming better
ancient peak
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tacit otter
i read that chart way different... as in it would be top gear for that spec its ...
im not sure if whisypr already did that, afaik its just talent comparison + some trinkets. all simmed in 1 sim
unborn geode
granted i'm surprised that the build is taking lightweight shiv... didn't see that one coming
gusty mirage
<@192059095279337473> I would like to apologize for all of my terrible posts wit...
ur cute
lucid birch
tiny root
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main vessel
ur cute
somebody came into FH with a terrible suggestion and didn't clarify it was supposed to be terrible
made me feel bad
weak horizon
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gusty mirage
somebody came into FH with a terrible suggestion and didn't clarify it was suppo...
here's the secret I've discovered over the last 2ish years
99% of suggestions are terrible, whether intentionally or not
the intentional ones are bis
slow tulip
since the top talents dont include shrouded suffocation talent, the opener is a bit different right ?
winged veldt
imp garrote? @slow tulip
winter gale
We use Atrophic in m+ too?
pseudo hamlet
We use Atrophic in m+ too?
I am personally using mind-numbing
winter gale
I just imported, dunno is it good or not, I know I dont use it as Outlaw in M+
pseudo hamlet
-15% casting/attack speed in M+ feels better than -3% dmg. But that's just me.
unborn sierra
!fuu
Hi - new here. Is there a reason the 'Simulation' or Import Strings are missing for the Dungeon Slice of that spreadsheet? I don't Raid and was hoping to look at the M+ set ups
winged veldt
@slow tulip ah shit i didnt even look tbh. no ss but gain execute
flat kiln
Where are you seeing ss being dropped?
gusty mirage
-15% casting/attack speed in M+ feels better than -3% dmg. But that's just me.
helps with kicks too
numbing very pog
winged veldt
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tDqMPEhmovTH8GRpDgMZwr from !whispyr top dps build
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weak horizon
Hi - new here. Is there a reason the 'Simulation' or Import Strings are missing ...
i think fuu hasnt run those sims yet, use whispyrs sheet for those
round pecan
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frigid pilot
imagine simming 141k baseline and benefiting 14k dps from PI
locks the proper hero class
unborn sierra
i think fuu hasnt run those sims yet, use whispyrs sheet for those
Oh fantastic! Thank you!
gusty mirage
imagine simming 141k baseline and benefiting 14k dps from PI
if you think that's wild you should see devastation evoker PI gains during lust
like it's actually disgusting
thank god they doubled down on externals
are we all having fun yet?
winged veldt
you evoker literally skyrockets
brazen zodiac
are we all having fun yet?
no :c
winged veldt
yea*
winged veldt
LOL
gusty mirage
honestly, based way of playing the game
frigid pilot
honestly, based way of playing the game
i do this mostly for pvp but works for pve too
gusty mirage
yeah crazy how warlock is always insane isn't it
unborn sierra
Can someone explain why most of the Sims for Dungeons include Exsanguinate but I can't seem to find too many players in top 50 r.io running it?
gusty mirage
I'm so shocked
frigid pilot
pvp gearing takes 3 hours
so its lit
mages used to be always insane
then SL and DF hit
gusty mirage
Can someone explain why most of the Sims for Dungeons include Exsanguinate but I...
because exsang is a 3min cd and 3min cds are usually awful to play around in keys
- people opt to use not puzzle box
frigid pilot
BFA s4 fire mage, mastery corruption 
gusty mirage
and exsang stonks were closely tied to puzzlebox
unborn sierra
because exsang is a 3min cd and 3min cds are usually awful to play around in key...
So with that said, why are the Sims running higher than non-exs builds?
gusty mirage
because technically, with exsang is more damage in the sim itself vs without
you gain a ton of ST damage w/ exsang
and dslice is essentially a little pie slice of a dungeon run
1 boss, then add waves of dif sizes
vs how an actual dungeon will be pulled
unborn sierra
Understood - that makes sense. Thank you for explaining!
fast stag
hi has everyone! I start on the game (less than a month) so I have a lot of questions and especially I am often afraid to make mistakes on which or what item improve ^^ ( I play rogue assa ) 1st little question on the item champion that we can win with the quest of the 4 or 5 heroic dungeon is it well started the improved or better it is better to wait? thank you all 🙂
unborn sierra
Being new to the spec, Kingsbane/Bone Spike and Exs look like so much fun to play with being bleeds. But sticking to BiS or min-maxing, it's a shame not having builds that can compete with them for M+
fast stag
Item = Sunless Brass
frigid pilot
i read that as sunless bra
i need to touch grass
windwalker simming 124 ST 
couldnt be us 
fast stag
Sorry I am French and I have to translate via lol application
thorn fjord
im sorry
gusty mirage
hi has everyone! I start on the game (less than a month) so I have a lot of ques...
if you just picked up the game, you're better off upgrading it as almost all gear you'll find will be a big upgrade
gusty mirage
Being new to the spec, Kingsbane/Bone Spike and Exs look like so much fun to pla...
rip kingsbane
fast stag
if you just picked up the game, you're better off upgrading it as almost all gea...
Okay, so you advise me to improve it?
unborn sierra
rip kingsbane
Seems crazy to think a capstone talent like adding a single Lethal poison to my weapons is more effective than a 1 min cd 😦
what happened to it?
gusty mirage
they moved it from the left side capstone
into a choice node
and everything in the middle column just works better w/ dragon tempered
like it immediately doubles dashing scoundrel
fast stag
yeah you'd be okay upgrading it
Okay thanks you 🙂
gusty mirage
Okay thanks you 🙂
gusty mirage
damn
dashing scoundrel essentially locks that choice into DtB almost always sadly unless they like GIGA buff kingsbane
unborn sierra
Ohh I see now. Damn.
I know people are saying Outlaw and Sub out-do Assassination regularly but I've ran 10 11's this week in prep, 5 as Sin and 5 as Sub. My Average for Sin was 70.2k overall and my Average for Sub was 68.2k. I feel like I'm playing them both really well in terms of min max but surprised people are saying it's a substantial difference
No set pieces I guess I should add. That might make the difference
bitter compass
Are we sticking with Phial of Elemental Chaos for Raid, or are we swapping to Phial of Tepid Versatility??
gusty mirage
we've recommended tepid vers all tier, so you're safe to stock up on it
gusty mirage
Ohh I see now. Damn.
I know people are saying Outlaw and Sub out-do Assassinat...
assassination does sneaky damage in m+, it's just way more effort than outlaw and sub
and bad chain pulling can make your life miserable
bitter compass
we've recommended tepid vers all tier, so you're safe to stock up on it
oh, well shucks, ty sir!
gusty mirage
oh, well shucks, ty sir!
we went with tepid vers cause it was more consistent than ele chaos
but iirc ele chaos was a little bit better?
unborn sierra
assassination does sneaky damage in m+, it's just way more effort than outlaw an...
Interesting... I felt Assassination was easier to understand and manage in M+ than Sub. Timings felt off and boss damage always kinda sucked. Sin felt so good all around, both AOE and even more-so on bosses
gusty mirage
yeah bad chaining will make any DPS's life miserable, but assassination either needs a clean restealth or it needs some dots rolling to get back to maintenance levels of energy asap
eager sorrel
and bad chain pulling can make your life miserable
Cries in spiteful
unborn sierra
I watched a podcast where Whispyr was just pretty unhappy with the spec and felt kinda demoralizing. Hoping to see some positivity from the spec this season
unborn sierra
Very much agree
gusty mirage
you stay on top of multi dotting you get rewarded
dull cloak
when people say assass does zdps that's an exaggeration
gusty mirage
problem is the reward is doing less damage than outlaw or sub 
plus on lower keys your DPS is nonexistent if you have a blaster AoE class
you just have no time to do any significant damage in aoe
subtle tundra
problem is ic existing
eager sorrel
I watched a podcast where Whispyr was just pretty unhappy with the spec and felt...
I mean, look at ferals kit and all the interactions they have with aoe bleeds/finishers and compare that to sin.
They are aware of how to make aoe bleeds work but we are still paying for CT sins in legion.
unborn sierra
I mean, look at ferals kit and all the interactions they have with aoe bleeds/fi...
Oh for sure, he and Flame were comparing Feral and some talents they have that would just make Sin so much more enjoyable and viable
gusty mirage
problem is ic existing
I mean even if IC didn't exist, it's not like our dots do significant damage
I suppose you could make the argument that they're scared to buff dot damage because of IC
and that's fair
gusty mirage
kinda hard for them to pull the trigger on garrote and rupture buffs when you have a button that lets you apply 8 every 45s
thorn fjord
Crit phial won’t be the play going forward?
gusty mirage
no
placid cobalt
Idk why they would go through the effort of making cool talents like ic and stuff and let the spec be garbo due to tuning
gusty mirage
crit phial uptimes is actual dogshit outside of niche situations
like on kurog it had an absurdly high uptime
because it didn't take into account all the environmental damage
which was like 99% of the damage going out in that fight
so you'd get like 80-90% uptime on it
thorn fjord
Ah I see
gusty mirage
like this was the last week of 10.0.7
on kurog
I noticed the uptime was a lot worse
and I think it had something to do with the HP changes
because this was 10.1:
on kurog
lol
surprised it took so long for it to hit wowhead tbh
unborn sierra
I mean, look at ferals kit and all the interactions they have with aoe bleeds/fi...
Since I'm newer to the spec, do they have good representation from a Dev perspective? Are they often looked at each patch to see if they need buffs/revisions?
I come from Mistweaver and they've been going through massive reviews/overhauls every single patch since S1
gusty mirage
feral has been trash tier since bfa launched
this recent rework was the most dev attention they've received pretty much ever
in the last 4 years
gusty mirage
https://discord.com/channels/124169701881282560/486284970806083584/1105093172402...
don't @ me with your weird links
stop trying to steal my bank account eleem
spice surge
I just want the 3 whacky numbers on the backside of your credit card
subtle tundra
here
thorn fjord
I just want the 3 whacky numbers on the backside of your credit card
It’s 420
thorn fjord
I’m very much not excited for next tier
Which is unfortunate
Might be time for a break afterwards
gusty mirage
<:hahaweed:976627716294058025>
@carmine dawn why is this called hahaweed
brazen zodiac
hahaweed
earnest remnant
gusty mirage
deft flicker
thorn fjord
pseudo hamlet
drake's shadowflame crest or 415ilvl item? Some people recommend the first, others the latter, but no one actually wrote any arguments
main vessel
99% of suggestions are terrible, whether intentionally or not
accurate 
main vessel
<@415667158903816194> why is this called hahaweed
dab
gusty mirage
drake's shadowflame crest or 415ilvl item? Some people recommend the first, othe...
415 item
cause if you rng a good slot
you can upgrade it
vs crests which you'll be drowning in next week
w/ m+
pseudo hamlet
Sounds reasonable, thanks Oxi!
misty holly
drake's shadowflame crest or 415ilvl item? Some people recommend the first, othe...
415 ilevel is useful because you can upgrade it to 424 right now. Neither choice will have much impact within a week if you do keys of 11 or higher for better drops and better crests.
carmine dawn
<@415667158903816194> why is this called hahaweed
Cause deeny is funny
@solid chasm show him your hahaweed
unborn sierra
Has anyone here ran Arterial Precision in M+ that likes it more than IC? Looking at Whispyr's sims, it looks like it's actually a generally better overall pick than IC: https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/e8veoLh3WUY4FARy3dXsrF
sullen hollow
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strange python
how impactful where the buffs. i want to go ass but in prog my raid lead insists i stay sub until its on farm
gusty mirage
if your RL is worried about 1-2k ST dps he should be asking you to play outlaw
not sub
haughty flicker
he should be asking you to reroll
gusty mirage
the dif between the 3 specs is like
3k dps at most
and all 3 are mediocre enough where it doesn't matter
unless some crazy tuning happens this week
rogue is just there to apply atrophic to make the RL and healers feel better
subtle tundra
gagah
carmine dawn
There’s a weird intersection of “if it matters, you’re good enough where it’s not a big deal.” And “if you’re not a top 100 team, it doesn’t matter”
gusty mirage
I mean if RLs are worried about damage
they should ask their rogues to reroll
atrophic is terrible raid utility
carmine dawn
Exactly
slow tulip
realistically the diff between specs matter if you are in a top 50 guild at most
carmine dawn
If you’re good enough. It’s not a big deal
slow tulip
if not - play what feels better
carmine dawn
Go reroll
If it doesn’t matter. Play what you want because that’s what you’ll perform best on
And do the most dps
gray crest
atrophic is terrible raid utility
But you forget we have shroud for raid utility
gusty mirage
But you forget we have shroud for raid utility
I'm reporting you to homeland security for domestic terrorism
gray crest
carmine dawn
Tricks gives 5% dmg buff in wrath
slow tulip
gray crest
I thought it was higher in mop
carmine dawn
But I still use it to kill people during trash and say “why are you dying??”
gusty mirage
Tricks gives 5% dmg buff in wrath
the good ol' days
winged veldt
I heard assa getting a 20%aurabuff and if we say it enough maybe we can manifest it 
gray crest
gusty mirage
I was instructed to tricks our warlocks
carmine dawn
My hunter and rogue friend, and I, killed a DK three times last night
gusty mirage
on trash
carmine dawn
Shit was so funny
carmine dawn
Ulduar should not have been pre-nerf
gusty mirage
which is also kind of a banger raid, it just never had a chance to be accepted because it cut arguably one of the best raids ever made short
carmine dawn
This shit so rng
oak sky
Blaze up that ganja frfr
deft flicker
winged veldt
i was dooming as sub
how are yall not dooming
we are in acceptance phase lol
solid chasm
respect
winged veldt
yea shiv got a 20% buff so sin is good right lol
gusty mirage
we went through the crying sub had a few days ago
like months ago
you guys didn't notice because you were the best rogue spec all tier
tawdry dust
because sin is A tier
sin is A tier because got a big 20% buff on shiv, the tierlist from tettles and dratnos was just collective ignorance and akward xD
haughty flicker
sin is A tier because got a big 20% buff on shiv, the tierlist from tettles and ...
atnos is a doctor, so i think i believe him
gusty mirage
meanwhile outlaw and sin were like "uhhh k?"
watching sub meltdown is a historical moment
tawdry dust
atnos is a doctor, so i think i believe him
😛 Bro the 20% shiv buff, assa will blast belive me xD
gusty mirage
because that channel is usually 40 year olds clinging on to old sub
royal lantern
because that channel is usually 40 year olds clinging on to old sub
and now its 19y old chasing the fotm
haughty flicker
imagine buffing an A tier spec
gusty mirage
I hear uhdk needs a buff
I think they should buff uhdk tbh
it's unfair they have to use a puzzle box
tawdry dust
I hear assa getting a 30% aura buff
Rookie numbers i heard assa get 60% aura buff
gusty mirage
buff them 10%
winged veldt
nah buff locks
thorn fjord
No man Buff Aff
gusty mirage
make it so they can cast chaos bolt while moving
winged veldt
yea! let them carry me
tight sparrow
Just to clarify for me, you are all only talking about mythic raiding right? I mean assa will have no problem clearing normal and heroic
tawdry dust
nah buff locks
you are right they nerfed the trinkets, clearly locks need a buff to compensate this !
thorn fjord
Just to clarify for me, you are all only talking about mythic raiding right? I ...
Should be fine for mythic too tbh
winged veldt
you are right they nerfed the trinkets, clearly locks need a buff to compensate ...
now you are getting it!
oak tangle
a doorknob could slap normal tbh
winged veldt
Just to clarify for me, you are all only talking about mythic raiding right? I ...
can play all three in all tiers
gusty mirage
Just to clarify for me, you are all only talking about mythic raiding right? I ...
it will also have zero problem clearing mythic
tbf
royal lantern
Just to clarify for me, you are all only talking about mythic raiding right? I ...
NOTHING has a problem clearing normal/heroic
winged veldt
NOTHING has a problem clearing normal/heroic
so easy a BM could do it!
haughty flicker
getting invited to the group will be harder than clearing the content
oak tangle
clearing? no, getting invited by picky RL's that got no clue, that's the real boss, luckily we're A tier so we will get invited
winged veldt
yea im not swapping for 1-3k dpsl ol
gusty mirage
when warlock is doing 14k more dps
winged veldt
ever
tight sparrow
getting invited to the group will be harder than clearing the content
Thats what i am more afraid of haha
winged veldt
A tier baby!
gusty mirage
yeah the dif in specs becomes less of a concern when you have 80% of the specs doing more damage than all 3 specs
winged veldt
cuz we do hella damage with dots when not in melee!
Wish my details reflected that lol
gusty mirage
like you could be like I have to play outlaw
it does 2k more than sin
but then you could also swap fury warrior
and do 10k more
ya know
tawdry dust
like you could be like I *have* to play outlaw
Dont forget rogue got "raid" utility 😉
gusty mirage
Dont forget rogue got "raid" utility 😉
TRUE
thorn fjord
But then you wouldnt be able to come to RH and doom
winged veldt
We dont doom here lol
gusty mirage
3% DR poison that applies to something between 0% and 100% of incoming damage
winged veldt
Our slowmode days are behind us hahaha
gusty mirage
bis raid utility
oak tangle
i'm the kinda RL that wants a mage, but knows that if our players just play what they want we'll get our AOTC anyway
thorn fjord
@gusty mirage dont forget you can improve it by taking another node on the tree 😛
misty holly
3% DR poison that applies to something between 0% and 100% of incoming damage
They should make it stack so if you bring 14 rogues that's -42% damage.
I bet that would be significant
gusty mirage
<@192059095279337473> dont forget you can improve it by taking another node on t...
true, 3.6%
my bad
oak tangle
28 rogues vs raid would finally be a thing, no more of that hunter / mage / druid bs
winged veldt
5% or bust lol
misty holly
28 rogues vs raid would finally be a thing, no more of that hunter / mage / drui...
oh shit heroic raids with 28 rouges all with improved poison we're looking at 100% damage reduced
winged veldt
nah thats cap! Buff them another 10kdps or 30 for all i care lol
winged veldt
I accept my place lol
winged veldt
cant wait to see the group stacks on rwf and the nerfs right after because of it lol
solid chasm
i just wanted to ping lambert because he doesnt know how to view who pinged him
(big dummy)
gusty mirage
(big dummy)
solid chasm
he said my mom was mobile!!!
unborn geode
Tricks gives 5% dmg buff in wrath
i missed doing the chain tricks from rogues and it always ended up killing the last rogue if they didn't time their tricks right
solid chasm
frick that guy!!!
dusky granite
Just have to feed the propaganda on Atrophic. I just multiply all the damage taken by .03 and claim I basically healed that amount
thorn fjord
Atrophic isnt awful tho we meme on it... i had Mind numbing on by mistake on a reclear and you could feel it
oak sky
Take off atrophic to juice your healer parses
gusty mirage
bro I forgot to swap back to atrophic for an entire night of rasz prog once
and no one noticed
except me
don't be telling me you could feel it
storm belfry
rapid forum
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thorn fjord
don't be telling me you could feel it
had like 1-2 people dying and it stopped when i switched back
haughty flicker
notice poison falls off halfway through the fight
thorn fjord
placebo maybe i dunno
oak sky
I think its definitely possible for people to like die to lack of healing or something but even then you wont notice and just assume they played bad
proud cosmos
Atrophic is like a lot of dragonflight rogue, really thematic but flawed to have theme
Deathmark is cool in concept but vendetta just worked for everything, and poisoning the target is cool but defo not devo
gusty mirage
I mean deathmark is better than vendetta ever was
in every single way
it's more thematic and it's more damage
gray crest
What if they just turned atrophic into a raid buff that gave everyone avoidance instead. Or fucking leech
Actually leech might be really good
frigid kestrel
Just have us have a buff that increases bleed damage in targets by a certain percentage. It’ll fit the class fantasy BS and also give us something that’s better then what we have
gusty mirage
Actually leech might be really good
sick copium after they nerfed classes' leech gamewide
frigid kestrel
Wait, how many other classes do bleed damage? I might have to take that back
solid chasm
wait i have a bleed
frigid kestrel
I mean deathmark is better than vendetta ever was
People only want Vendetta back due to nostalgia, in my humble opinion.
solid chasm
xd
frigid kestrel
And I don’t even think most realize it
gusty mirage
People only want Vendetta back due to nostalgia, in my humble opinion.
people forget how bad vendetta actually was
past forum
But it gives energyyyyyy
past forum
It a meme
gusty mirage
it's okay, so's the rogue class
royal lantern
people forget how bad vendetta actually was
angry point at the enemy
you now do 20%more dmg against them 
past forum
Heyooo
past forum
Gottem :’)
thorn fjord
Atleast death from above is still only pvp 🤣
proud cosmos
I just feel like every set kinda has to interact with bleeds or poison in some way now and remember the beta buffs to the damage for pressing deathmark to keep it more relevant
frigid kestrel
people forget how bad vendetta actually was
That APM increase made you feel like you were doing something
signal badger
I want dfa back in pve
gusty mirage
I want rogue to do damage
strange python
Do we have any data on which embelishments is BiS for 10.1?
frigid kestrel
We will get there
minor gate
neat smelt
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storm belfry
Do we have any data on which embelishments is BiS for 10.1?
Check the pins big homie
strange python
Cheers. Was looking around to figure if I could find some data x)
ancient peak
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clever sapphire
ngl i only enjoyed vendetta more because of the tierset and the nightfae ability working together, and then slamming that on dmg intervalls
also the fact it was 1 min cd and not 2
weak horizon
God damn just saw dratnos and tettles video and holy shit they seem so off
clever sapphire
ye that way
i forgot it wasnt the tierset but a legendary
dunno, was fun to slam on sludgefist or upper kara first boss
or just straight up how it did more dmg during vendetta
the NF ability which name i always forget
oak sky
Stepsis
clever sapphire
truuuuuu
oak sky
Which wasnt even the best
Out of the 10 assassination players total 1 was playing sepsis in s3/4 💀
clever sapphire
oh ye it was dogshit, but i enjoyed swapping venthyr/nf/necrolord because all of those could be somewhat playable
vapid sierra
So how does one use exang
Doesn’t make sense
Do I just send it before dm
Is that basically it
Nothing special
oak sky
Refresh dots then send
vapid sierra
So I reapply dots? Make sure they’re near max?
Try and time pandemic window with exsang cd?
gusty mirage
just full send the refresh before exsang
steel ridge
just untalent it like a sane person
urban basalt
delete warlock
royal lantern
and just a very small messup will cause 2nd point IP to be better than exsang
solid chasm
holy fuck lambert is here
grizzled moon
i rly thought we will get a buff on set or dmg before we go life
but i guess we are dog tier this time around
urban basalt
why are you in this channel color you don't play this spec
sick sail
Hello guys. Casual gamer here. Playing SIN rogue. Absolutely love it. Excited to see how the future holds with this class. Learned a lot already through guides and everyone here talking! Thanks for having me in this channel!
This spec*
royal lantern
solid chasm
why are you in this channel color you don't play this spec
dont ask questions WARLOCK
urban basalt
elder phoenix
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clever sapphire
dont ask questions WARLOCK
you sum up the discord with your name and that sentence
winter gale
Is 106k sim for S1 DungeonSlice ok?
frigid pilot
Is 106k sim for S1 DungeonSlice ok?
no
winter gale
It should be higher?
vapid sierra
and just a very small messup will cause 2nd point IP to be better than exsang
Very small fuck up as in not reapplying by accident?
frigid pilot
how r ppl forgetting poisons, theres a billion weakauras with built in reminders
viscid spear
winter gale
I cannot forget, It jumps into my face 😄
gray horizon
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royal lantern
Very small fuck up as in not reapplying by accident?
delaying it
making wrong desicions with holding it for DM/not holding it for DM/not using its perfectly with ER etc.....
silent furnace
on AOE do we spam envenom for poison bomb procs or crimson tempest?
gray horizon
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gusty mirage
you want the short answer or the long answer
limber lion
Kinda literally doesn't matter
vapid sierra
What are the reasons to play sin next tier over outlaw? Or are there none? Outlaw is just doing more st and is Miles ahead in m+. Is it just a personal standpoint or if the raid needs execute?
proven jasper
ct if pack is moving
limber lion
Go nuts
gusty mirage
as long as you maintain snd and CT dot
limber lion
No
gusty mirage
legit doesn't matter at all
proven jasper
awesome
royal lantern
What are the reasons to play sin next tier over outlaw? Or are there none? Outla...
you like beeing a rogue instead of fury warrior for special kids
limber lion
Legit just maintain everything and then just press whatever button you want
vapid sierra
you like beeing a rogue instead of fury warrior for special kids
I’m trying to pick for next tier and can’t
silent furnace
interesting
gusty mirage
longer answer is: check if there's a prio target, is the pack about to die, etc etc etc that can maybe change your decision making
but not by enough for it to even matter
silent furnace
What are the reasons to play sin next tier over outlaw? Or are there none? Outla...
biggest upside to playing sub/sin is that you can switch between the two freely, unlike outlaw that has an entirely different stat prio and need a special weapon
gusty mirage
outlaw and sub share the stat prio
carmine dawn
outlaw and sub are closer to stat prio than assa
gusty mirage
crit > vers
silent furnace
disregard what i said then, last i checked outlaw was haste/vers
carmine dawn
disregard what i said then, last i checked outlaw was haste/vers
since when
rocky ruin
Sub is crit> mast=vers now right?
no crit,versa cause of trinkets and so
for raid
m+ is still crit and mastery
limber lion
can someone tell me whats wrong with this sim so zac stops bullying me
Is something meant to be wrong with the sim?
silent furnace
i am positive i checked outlaw a few weeks ago on wowhead and it was haste/vers and thats why i didn't even bother trying to get a weapon for it
limber lion
Is this like a trivia or a puzzle of sorts
carmine dawn
Is something meant to be wrong with the sim?
my assa is 4k higher than my outlaw and zac is talkin mad shit
so im confused
LOL
limber lion
Idk the Assa sim looks good
carmine dawn
outlaw CFs 
gusty mirage
wait
limber lion
I mean you are trolling by not using the same type of gem with Lariat
But other than that it looks fine
carmine dawn
oh yeah i forgot im not using that belt on outlaw
gusty mirage
accusing my son of bullying him
carmine dawn
i made a new one
limber lion
All gucci
carmine dawn
I mean you are trolling by not using the same type of gem with Lariat
i thought this was disproven like week 1?
vapid sierra
i am positive i checked outlaw a few weeks ago on wowhead and it was haste/vers ...
Outlaw
carmine dawn
doesnt matter now tho, trash item
vapid sierra
Needs haste the least
vapid sierra
Out of all 3
limber lion
Yeh, doesn't matter in a few days lol
limber lion
what are the chances of a cev return?
Close to 0% but never 0%.
gusty mirage
limber lion
So many hours in a day man
gusty mirage
who will I dm about assassination stuff
gusty mirage
carmine dawn
Yeh, doesn't matter in a few days lol
i actually got super lucky and got a neck from that weird heroic quest this week
Raider's Hate This One Trick! (being lucky)
weak plover
@limber lion you have any season 2 plater updates?
limber lion
i actually got super lucky and got a neck from that weird heroic quest this week
Good stuff
limber lion
<@165215952479322112> you have any season 2 plater updates?
Unfortunately not, has Plater had a massive update or something? The season 1 profile should work fine, just doesn't have special coloured nameplates for m+
But you can find scripts that add the m+ colors and just slap that on, should work fine
weak plover
Just the colored nameplates. I guess I'll just have to do it myself and not be a lazy shit
limber lion
I made a script and just keybound it
and whenever I found a mob that needed interrupting, I would press the keybind
And it would color the nameplate mid-combat
weak plover
Oh. Interesting
limber lion
Same with the other colors, pretty useful
vapid sierra
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vapid sierra
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balmy condor
<@167090536602140682> your top two links in top gear for normal and the no cut t...
That’s intended. The top gear link where I sourced those builds from are all being compared in that sim, so that’s the link
limber lion
Oh. Interesting
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Here's one if you're only looking for the colors.
vapid sierra
wait sin sim higher than outlaw m+ sims lmao
limber lion
You can just slap that on whatever profile you want
weak plover
Ty
limber lion
Why?
vapid sierra
its not workign tho, i copied my one for outlaw and changed the code
limber lion
Do you not use the Blizzard cue
haughty flicker
sin blindside already has a cue yeah
limber lion
Blizzard UI by default has a thingy for Blindside procs
vapid sierra
no i have them turned off since for outlaw there wasnt one for ambush, only for ps
limber lion
Oh okay
limber lion
Fair enough
vapid sierra
for pistol shot and auda
weak plover
Show me your blindside WA
weak plover
You would want to use it on prio target.
vapid sierra
and if i dont have snd up
do i snd fok and then ct?
it doesnt say what to do if you dont have snd up in faq
its sharing a node
balmy condor
Well if you don’t have it up, you would snd
And if you do, you need to do something else with that finisher right
So you would ct
It’s a choice
That’s why it’s shared?
vapid sierra
but if i snd
how would i get crimon tempest?
do i add another fok and then ct and continue?
weak plover
** Keep in mind envenom extends slice if you have cttc talented which you most likely do.. So you can envenom to prevent your slice from dropping.
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weak plover
do i add another fok and then ct and continue?
yes
balmy condor
There’s a CT here
The choice is the choice
You pick what you need
And then continue on
vapid sierra
kk ty
weak plover
If your group pulls well you will have slice up pack to pack which is why you have the choice. You dont gotta recast slice if its already up.
balmy condor
Yeh
You should only be casting slice once in a dungeon
Originally I didn’t have slice in the picture at all
But then people were like “no slice????????????”
marble hemlock
You should only be casting slice once in a dungeon
tell that to nokhud
subtle tundra
what if i have uh ap
balmy condor
Boots or dagger
balmy condor
what if i have uh ap
Then you skip the ic
weak plover
What if I didn't talent deathmark?
vapid sierra
424 dagger?!?
balmy condor
wait AP plays DTB
Well that’s what I assume you meant, why would you change the opener for IC AP
subtle tundra
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