assassination

[earnest remnant]

Why am i catching strays

[balmy condor]

You did it to yourself

[earnest remnant]

[oak sky]

double dance

[flint tusk]

Imagine playing that.

[cold spoke]

cant wait for some rogue blue post next expansion

jk we dont get those either

[violet island]

You guys scared away scar

But I get a legendary weapon out of it so thanks I guess?

[normal kite]

"we have decided that to remove Shiv from the spec due to overwhelming feedback on the wowhead comments"

[balmy condor]

Xaethron gonna convince someone eventually

[cold spoke]

we will replace it with a question mark spell that will get implemented 3 days before xpsc launch

[balmy condor]

Just gotta keep at it I guess

[normal kite]

i can at least respect the hustle

[balmy condor]

If he keeps repeating the same delusions comments every post

It’ll eventually reach someone

That’s how cults work or something idk

[normal kite]

the anti-shiv/whispyr cult

[balmy condor]

I’m sure a psychologist could write a doctorate about that man

[oak sky]

tbh why does he want it removed

couldnt he just say rework instead

💀

[normal kite]

he believes that poisons should've never been a thing and that we should be playing as feral

[cold spoke]

tfw all 3 specs has some glaring issues 1 major patch into new xpac

[normal kite]

on top of that, shiv/toxic blade was apparently the thing that killed sin rogue

[balmy condor]

He also thinks that the spec needs to lean into envenom more as a burst mechanic

So

Idk

Mans fighting demons

[oak sky]

he doesnt know what he wants

[normal kite]

he don't want any more buttons than dots and env

[balmy condor]

He does

[normal kite]

but justifies it in interesting ways

[balmy condor]

He wants whatever the opposite of the spec is

[cold spoke]

who are you guys talking about

[balmy condor]

And if people agree with him

He will change sides

Because his opinions have to be superior to everyone else’s

Which means he can never agree with anyone

So he’ll cook up even more deranged takes

[normal kite]

CTRL+F Xaethron and enjoy, he is also on every single wowhead post about sin

[balmy condor]

Tldr is he’s an absolute clown that got banned from here a couple years ago, and now lives on every sin rogue wowhead I write to talk shit and write novels about how garbage the spec is (he doesn’t play it)

[cold spoke]

great lore

love it

[subtle tundra]

ok wtf????????????????????

i wake up and sub buffed?

[cold spoke]

a story of a descent to madness

[subtle tundra]

i wish i was still sleeping

[balmy condor]

He’s like, when they added toxic blade in legion, sin rogue went to shit, delete shiv

[cold spoke]

yeah epic buffs

[hot goblet]

In fairness, we are garbage right now right 😦 ?

[prisma cypress]

every spec in the game is garbage. just visit their discord

[normal kite]

mostly due to terrible tuning

but expect more changes in the coming weeks

[hot goblet]

got a few single target fights in abberus i guess which will make us feel a little better

[normal kite]

its funny how he was angry about TB and not as much on Agonizing Poison

[cold spoke]

legion peak assa gameplay

[strange python]

I woke up from my nap. Is the dook still here

Doom

[haughty flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/elmo-hello-elmo-rise-elmo-hell-gif-9112913

[strange python]

I'm gonna watch survivor and catch up on sub channel drama

Whispyr typing up an omegapin

[subtle tundra]

i want whispyr to threaten me

[haughty flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/desmondpacito-cooking-chef-gif-12378159

[hollow river]

ctrl+f xaethron

i'm about to go make popcorn

because it's all so cooked

[strange python]

Whispyr been typing for a few mins

[subtle tundra]

but why do y'all care so much about a random

[haughty flicker]

He killed my dog

[subtle tundra]

he fucked my rat

[hollow river]

i just think it's fun to rabbit hole RH lore

[balmy condor]

Tuning issue mostly tbh. Like a lot of the issues have easy fixes in terms of being a bad spec.

Like what they could do is make lightweight shiv increase the shiv nature damage % as well so it isn’t as useless, buff kingsbane another 10%, with the lightweight shiv buff that’ll make kingsbane good enough probably. Check and check. Cool. Next issue is arterial precision, make it hit 8 targets, raise the bleed buff to 25 or 30%. Fixed. What else is an issue, scent? Lil buff there nice. Make flying daggers not useless, even just removing the 5 target requirement. Fixed. What else we got? Make master assassin 75% so it doesn’t feel ass. Sick. Uh….. what else is on the hitlist. Fatal conc could probably use a percent or 2, but that’s DTB bait so bit touchy. Twist the knife should increase envenom damage but reduce the duration, instead of increase the duration. Sepsis should give something like the 2 set buff for its duration rather than stealth garrotes. And uhh……. Idk toss something towards CT for the hell of it

[cold spoke]

is that a pin

[haughty flicker]

Best I can do is 3% aura buff

[strange python]

A lot of what you outlined brings back talents up to par with current talents

We would still need a 10% buff

[balmy condor]

Yah

That’s fine

[strange python]

I don't think people really understand just how bad rogue looks atm

[balmy condor]

Just do those to get everything competitive

[strange python]

And I'm moderately salty that guy told max we are "probably B tier"

[balmy condor]

And then slap aura tuning on it till it’s good

[burnt latch]

Wasnt the original intention during beta for the double shiv to be something u could play if u ever needed to hold shiv for a soothe and not really a pure damage conduit

Like for raging and stuff

[fleet thorn]

5% auto attack buff, take it or leave it

[balmy condor]

It was one of the intentions I guess

But like

The gameplay is more complicated than that

[hot goblet]

Just make Blade Flurry a core rogue talent :P. That’s fix our AOE lol

[balmy condor]

And that’s just how the talent works

Kingsbane and stuff

[strange python]

Ngl, I'm okay with sin AoE being bad

I like that different specs do different things

My issue is that sin is clearly designed (over the last few years) as a ST spec that...doesn't do ST

Idk how to justify spriest doing 10k more on ST than us, for example

Or destro

[balmy condor]

Craft your daggers boys

LOGIN

[haughty flicker]

wft stonks

[balmy condor]

LOG
IN

[cold spoke]

wouldnt that push wf higher in value

[hot goblet]

The problem I have with our AOE is we have to sacrifice all our single target to get any AOE at all. We can’t just swap a couple of talent points to do mediocre AOE

[cold spoke]

so its a nerf for me since i never get to get it

[balmy condor]

DTB+AP is actually looking not terribad

But it’s still not great aoe

[strange python]

Eh. Maybe.

[balmy condor]

Comparatively much better though

[haughty flicker]

A lot more specs have this problem than you may think

[strange python]

I just think specs should have a power balance. Windwalker is the opposite end. Overindexed on AoE and does bad ST.

Seems better for the game to have that type of power budgeting

Except we now do less ST than WW

[haughty flicker]

Hopefully as more time passes they can polish up some of the talent trees

[hot goblet]

What is this nerf in the patch notes for our 2 set btw? so thought it only applied to rupture and crimson anyway?

[strange python]

I wish I knew why destro gets to do both.

[haughty flicker]

And bring them up to par to recent ones like ret

[strange python]

Or spriest or fmage

[balmy condor]

Idk if that’s true, cause you run into m+ balancing problems like that and these days every spec needs to be able to do both raids and m+ to a fairly decent level

Having niches is good

[strange python]

Does every spec need to be able to do m+??

[balmy condor]

But you can’t swing the pendulum too hard

[strange python]

I don't have an issue with sin being raid spec and outlaw being m+ spec

I'm probably in the minority there though

[balmy condor]

I mean you don’t

Plenty of people do

If you’re a windwalker monk

What are you gonna do in raids

[strange python]

Idk how you functionally make every spec able to do everything

[balmy condor]

Swap to mistweaver?

[strange python]

Most raids aren't super ST

[hot goblet]

I hard mixed m+ towards the end of season and just forced sin and tried to get better, instead of easy mixing with outlaw

[strange python]

Windwalker had plenty of value for us in vault

[hot goblet]

easy moding

[balmy condor]

You tune them to be useful to a certain degree. Assa isn’t unplayable in m+, but the aoe is a bit low. If the aoe were a bit better, it would be fine and still have a niche

It doesn’t have to be binary

[strange python]

I guess

[rocky ruin]

Pure dps class have it easier bc one spec can do something, but other class with one dps spec and something else well

[strange python]

My real source of depression is that sin has been a mostly st spec forever, aberrus is finally a mostly ST raid. I want this to be like, our moment

But instead warlock's cleave spec is crushing.

Like, sin should be a top spec in aberrus

I'm okay with sin being "bottom" in vault because it was an add heavy tier

But I want the upside on the flip.

[cold spoke]

you know what they say

sometimes you lose, other times you lose

[strange python]

Sometimes you lose, other times you also lose? Get fucked rogues?

[winter gale]

From all the buffs we hoped for we ended up with a small nerf to tierset?

[cold spoke]

wise words

[steel spire]

why be loyal just fotm

[strange python]

Fotm isn't even fotm

It's just roll warlock or warrior

[winter gale]

How big is the gap between assa and sub atm?

[strange python]

Small. They both suck.

[haughty flicker]

Nah rogue is more often in a good spot than war

[strange python]

I don't agree with that

I've had that argument in here and been told I'm wrong many times, but I don't agree.

[cold spoke]

also you have 20 buttons rotation, and get outdpsed by a 3 buttons fury zug zug

[winter gale]

I think sub is way more versatile atm

[royal lantern]

wait

[odd dew]

You can make every spec "able" to do everything, but yeah has to be properly balanced.
Having ass rogue do less AoE is fine.
Having us do less AoE and barely any more ST damage, if any, than the other specs is not fine.

[royal lantern]

assa tierset nerf and probably a sub nerf?

[winter gale]

We are pure st and we lack dmg

[royal lantern]

[tawdry dust]

Wl is the god class in wow you will never be able to compete with them. Warlocks a the loved child

[cold spoke]

wdym its rotten buff

[haughty flicker]

Warlock is certainly the class that spends the most time being meta

[strange python]

Realz said sub set was a 5.1% nerf to single target double on use trinket builds. Aka: what sub will be running.

[royal lantern]

jist woke up, is it neutral or just a flat nerf for sub?

[haughty flicker]

It’s very close to neutral

[strange python]

Upwards of 1.1% buff if you use a passive trinket.

[haughty flicker]

But not exactly what you want to see

[cold spoke]

i think its in sub channel somewhere but small nerf to normal build and small buff to rotten

[tawdry dust]

Rly no one wants to Play rotten xD

[winter gale]

Didn’t they get 4% buff on all sources?

Or I missed something?

[cold spoke]

yeah after a nerf so

[royal lantern]

i mean NOBODY wants rotten

[winter gale]

Oh

[cold spoke]

you can tell people love their class if one side of the tree is completely hated

[royal lantern]

when 30-40% of your dmg is external sources, 4% is not much

[haughty flicker]

Just check fuus pin

[royal lantern]

ih, fuu just woke up

[steel spire]

is onyx ded 😦

[strange python]

On the warrior front...warrior was bad in vault but quickly got massive buffs and ended the tier very very strong. Started bad in SoFo, got buffs, wound up okay. It cranked in sanctum and Nathria. Cranked in Nyalotha, and pretty good in bod/EP. Bad in uldir.

Rogue was good in vault, started strong in SoFo and fell off as edge lost value. Okay to start sanctum, but became huge with frost set change and EoN. Terrible in Nathria. Okay in nya, okay in uldir. Honestly forget BoD and EP, but memory says mid in both.

At best, it feels like a wash where warrior brings shout and a defensive raid CD.

[cold spoke]

warrior bad in uldir?

[odd dew]

Kinda wish smokebomb was still PvE and did the DR

[strange python]

Could be wrong on that. Logs seem gone but that's my recollection

[cold spoke]

naah arms was cracked that tier

huge execute plenty cleave

[strange python]

I think warrior is sneakily OP and doesn't get enough attention to how consistently strong it is

Maybe cause it's meh in keys

Also the class requires 0 brain cells

I could 95 parse on warrior without hands

[deft flicker]

Two classes starting with W

[royal lantern]

everyone on higher levels knows that dps warrior us stupid strong lol

shout beeing stackable and very good deffensives

[strange python]

I've mentioned it here before and got torn apart by seli and some of the big sub names.

[royal lantern]

wait, just noticed

[haughty flicker]

It’s definitely been good recently, but when people are talking about it being consistently good you normally go back further than just bfa

[royal lantern]

they removed sub stuff interaction with trinkets

but left it for outlaw?

[haughty flicker]

Ye

[royal lantern]

huh?

thats.....weird?

[haughty flicker]

Outlaw tier baby

[royal lantern]

no tier is outlaw tier

[haughty flicker]

Bacon is ours

[royal lantern]

and if they make a more st tier and then buff outlaw to be the #1 st spec

[haughty flicker]

🥓

[royal lantern]

i just alt f4 for 5months

cus holy shit, nobody can be so garbage at balancing

[hollow river]

imagine imagining

[strange python]

Outlaw is the warlock of rogue specs

Its the clear favorite of the dev team.

[royal lantern]

"assa is bad in vault cus its a cleave/aoe tier, wait for a st tier"

"st tier, but we tune assa to be the lowest st dmg"

[royal lantern]

....what?

[strange python]

Consistently gets the most favorable tuning and dev attention.

[royal lantern]

outlaw historicaly is the "worst" raiding spec for rogue

[haughty flicker]

Sub has definitely been the favorite

Outlaw wasn’t a spec for like two expansions after existing

Lmao

[royal lantern]

saying outlaw is blizz favorite is just insane mate lol

[deft flicker]

Can’t spell outlaw without w

[strange python]

Don't agree at all

[haughty flicker]

TRUE

[final shadow]

Outlahhhh

[royal lantern]

the average outlaw player cant spell at all, wdym

[strange python]

Outlaw was second best in vault, way slept on in SoFo, sneakily cranked in sanctum, was the only viable spec in Nathria

[deft flicker]

Ye, that’s why we use pictures on dice

[strange python]

Frost set made outlaw do disgusting things

[deft flicker]

We learned to count to 6 however

[royal lantern]

AND NOT ASSA AND SUB????

what is that take

you really live up to your name rn

[strange python]

Sub ran blood set unless getting kindred aff.

[haughty flicker]

Not to mention we’re still ignoring years worth of balancing

Outlaw has had some nice moments though for sure

Mostly in m+ tho

[strange python]

Sin was 1.1% ahead of outlaw in Sanctum and Sin was a frequent target for externals. Outlaw was not. I'd bet an ex-externals comparison would make it neck and neck.

[oak tangle]

idk how you can really call sub the favored spec, it kinda didn't exist from BFA until mid SL

[hollow river]

pretty sure sub was the preferred spec in early SL s1

[strange python]

Nope

People thought it would be, but it wound up horrible

[hollow river]

mmm

[strange python]

It suffered from beta hype that got it nerf blasted

[earnest remnant]

people were idiots thinking akaari's would enter the game that way

[brazen zodiac]

trickz!!!

[strange python]

And honestly sub wasn't even that good in sanctum or SoFo. Edge of night carried that spec hard.

[oak tangle]

zul killed rezan and sub

[hollow river]

hi

[earnest remnant]

SoD sub early in the tier was a single target monster

even before daggers

agree with sofo tho

[strange python]

I don't remember it the same way and wcl is super fucked for old tiers

I remember sub being worse than sin for quite some time until edge

[earnest remnant]

rwf 2x sub rogue on guardian topping

[royal lantern]

reminder that people ARE idiots

[vestal wren]

sub before zul got nerfed multiple times

[strange python]

But with wcl going archive mode it's hard to tell

[vestal wren]

in bfa

[strange python]

Did they get edge from heroic/normal splits.

[earnest remnant]

no

[strange python]

Hmm

[vestal wren]

sub did initially in bfa look rly good

because the shadowstrike trait made sub do rly good st

[strange python]

Also there were various versions of akaaris. The one that gave CP and did 100% damage duplication was never gonna hit live

[vestal wren]

but that trait was nerfed 3 times or so

and zul happened

[strange python]

But there was a version giving 50% and no CP and it was valued at +13%

And that was reasonable to hit live in retrospect

[oak tangle]

outlaw aoe got giga nerfed because of reaping

lets just say there is no favored rogue spec

but if i had to pick it's outlaw because pirates and that's what the devs think rogues are

[hollow river]

the devs think of us as ninja

[strange python]

I mean outlaw has been either a, or the, dominant key spec for three full expansions, and in recent memory has always been at least good-ish in raid

[haughty flicker]

Outlaw is favored because it was given the biggest weapons

[hollow river]

look at our new tier set

[strange python]

Sin has been terrible in keys and hit or miss in raid

Sub was a deleted spec until sanctum

[winter gale]

So, gap between assa and sub is non significant atm?

[hollow river]

pretty much ye

[winter gale]

Play what’s preferable?

[hollow river]

[winter gale]

I’ll play assa but I dont want ppl to tell me why no sub, why no law

[oak tangle]

outlaw is purely the favored spec because the devs reworked RTB to a point where it's not the main complaint

[strange python]

I think outlaw has been the obvious best rogue pve spec on the balance of m+ and raid since the start of BFA

[hollow river]

well in m+ a lot of randoms will say stuff like that

[winter gale]

In m+ ill play outlaw

For sure

[pseudo hamlet]

I didn't follow the discussion - it's only about the raiding? Not M+?

[winter gale]

Thats how I play

Assa raid

Outlaw m+

[hollow river]

ye should be fine

[oak tangle]

bring me the days where this comment can apply to anything aoe related 😄

[hollow river]

i don't think anyone should be questioning your spec choice in raid atm

based on the current numbers

[winter gale]

Great

That is all I need

[pseudo hamlet]

So Assa still worst rogue spec for M+... expectable, but still kinda sad.

[strange python]

Just questioning your class choice

[winter gale]

Hahaha

Rogue or nowow

[hollow river]

wdym? this game is balanced super well

you don't bring WWs for their ST?

[haughty flicker]

What 3 expansions were outlaw the best m+ spec though

[oak tangle]

pretty sure that sin mains are gonna smoke a whole lot of FOTM demo's

[balmy condor]

you can't get away from that

as long as there's other choice

you'll always have some clueless people going "but why no X"

[strange python]

BFA to now.

I didn't play legion so idk legion

[haughty flicker]

Bfa outlaw was but this season sub was best at high end

[strange python]

I said best or very good tho

[haughty flicker]

You said dominant

[strange python]

Outlaw is a dominant m+ spec right now. Sub is just better.

[haughty flicker]

Lmao

[oak tangle]

OL is target capped yeah? sub is not

[strange python]

If sub was deleted from the game entirely overnight, rogues wouldn't lose a ton of m+ representation, outlaw is very strong.

This is like warlocks telling you demo was bad in SoFo because destro.

Or something

Acting like outlaw isn't crazy good in DF keys because sub is even better is...odd

[haughty flicker]

Literally nobody said that

[burnt latch]

Caring this much about this topic… odd

[strange python]

I just told you that and you said I was wrong.

[haughty flicker]

Show me

[strange python]

Buddy read your own messages

[blazing jewel]

[strange python]

Is this just an issue of trying to speak English to EUs

[hot goblet]

Delete Sub. Give us an actual ranged spec 😄

[haughty flicker]

You are a strange person to talk to

[strange python]

Okay yeah this is just trying to communicate in English with EUs. Time for sleep.

[haughty flicker]

Brother I’m not even eu but nice random racism

[strange python]

Til EU is a race.

[haughty flicker]

You are a strange person

[oak tangle]

also assuming EU doesn't technically include the country that kinda is known for the language english

[burnt latch]

dudes a menace

Acts stupid on internet -> get called out -> blame europe -> acts stupid on internet

Eternal loop

[blazing jewel]

I cant believe plant would be this toxic

[burnt latch]

There are toxic plants in the wild

[lucid yew]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[grim jay]

You dont understand considering you are EU

[blazing jewel]

unhinged plant atm

[grim jay]

(Same btw)

[burnt latch]

🌿

[haughty flicker]

Silly eu people trying to communicate in English

[blazing jewel]

[balmy condor]

most normal stabsalot convo I've read tbh

[oak tangle]

it's ironic because i'm sure there are english second language people who understand it better than alot of native speakers

[balmy condor]

it's not racist actually, instead of insulting a race, I insulted a whole region

[haughty flicker]

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/galaxy-brain-meme-gif-25947987

[burnt latch]

[oak tangle]

what do you think is more different, US to ENG english, or German to ENG english

damn i typed eng too much i now want to spell it inglish

[balmy condor]

EU moment tbh

[oak tangle]

Eunglish

[grim jay]

Just call it englisch and be done with it

https://tenor.com/view/german-dancing-gif-18620749

[balmy condor]

just cause you're german doesn't mean you gotta add "sch" to every word with an S brother calm down

[grim jay]

In all honesty

[royal lantern]

tatsch true

[grim jay]

It wouldnt even matter considering sh and sch kinda get pronounced the same way

[balmy condor]

tatsache ironically a word without sch

[grim jay]

And people nowadays are mutilating the german language anyways

[oak tangle]

english says hello

for mutilating german

and latin and french

[haughty flicker]

And greek

[balmy condor]

you mean verstümmeln?

[trail mica]

Is there even a language not getting mutilated nowadays?

[grim jay]

6 years latin PTSD

[tawny bloom]

man i hate the german language (I speak it since I speak)

[haughty flicker]

Vulgar Latin is doing pretty well

[royal lantern]

tbf, thats just Evolution of language

[balmy condor]

I did a coaching sessions on time, and the guy had a german client

it was hell

never doing that again

[royal lantern]

german

in videogames

NEVER

except gothic ofc

[grim jay]

It even is hell for germans

[oak tangle]

all i know, is that german sausages are the wurst

[balmy condor]

bro hit me with the "wann will ich den tückische klinge benutzen"

and I about reached through my monitor to slap him

[haughty flicker]

[tawny bloom]

ye tbf germans teach like the worst possible english in school. So I can't even judge them having their clients in german. You don't understand half the shit.

[grim jay]

https://tenor.com/view/yandere-tagged-knife-anime-gif-24663176

Whispyr moment

[balmy condor]

german moment

[royal lantern]

ich glaub ich hau dir mal eine aufs maul, das ist genau das was du jetzt brauchst!

[tawny bloom]

especially older generations like my dad suffer from it. He learned in duolingo so he can play rbgs with english groups

[royal lantern]

the eternal palace lootpool

check the Fish boss weapon+armor

[oak tangle]

can you tell me what number comes after 8? Nein

[royal lantern]

best names

[balmy condor]

schwarzwasserschwimmershuppenveste

[tawny bloom]

votc items also had banger german names

[grim jay]

Just take classes in business english and englisch leistungskurs

[balmy condor]

unreal

I never want to read this again

[grim jay]

Thats a severe case of Oberweserdampfschifffahrtsgesellschaftskapitän

[royal lantern]

grundgüter hat innos dir die blindheit gegeben??

[balmy condor]

Das heist Oberweserdampfschifffahrtsgesellschaftskapitänmützenputzermachinenölpreisschilddruckertintenfabrikschornsteinabgasfilterinspektör

[grim jay]

[haughty flicker]

[royal lantern]

fyi, those are all not "real" words

nobody is ever going to say stuff like that

[balmy condor]

was a fun game to play during car rides though

you just keep adding words

[haughty flicker]

Oh I know

[balmy condor]

me and my mom would play the game all the time

until one of us couldn't remember the word anymore

[haughty flicker]

I may be a dumb American but I know at least a little about other languages

[balmy condor]

and whoever couldn't remember it lost

[grim jay]

The worst thing about germans and english is the way it sounds if someone didnt speak english for a while and just got back to it. It can be 100% right in every way, but you just hear the inner german

[balmy condor]

des letzte mal das ich so was dickes gesehen habe war ich bei deiner mutter zur mahlzeit

[hot goblet]

Is there a typo in the patch notes for the tier set change? I assume it’s supposed to be our 4 piece not being affected by external?

[balmy condor]

other way around, 4 set doesn't affect externals

[hot goblet]

yeh. It just says 2 piece in the notes. 😄

[balmy condor]

oh

yeh

that should asay 4

[grim jay]

I immediately thought you would get to sin not getting buffs being the typo until I kept reading

[balmy condor]

damn

[hot goblet]

We haven’t had any buffs in months. not expecting any now 😄

[balmy condor]

we had buffs last week

why is this like the 4th time I've had to say that today

did I hallucinate the notes last week

[haughty flicker]

People are gaslighting themselves

[hollow river]

they had the (does not change in pvp) modifier, so yes

[haughty flicker]

They actually believe rogue is forgotten and will never be changed

[hollow river]

https://tenor.com/view/detective-pikachu-hallucination-gif-14375796

[balmy condor]

if I had a nickel for every time I had to remind people we got buffs, I'd have like 6 nickels, which isn't a lot, but it's weird that I have so many nickels

[grim jay]

I mean "never" "not for months" and "historically" are trending doomer-terms

[brazen zodiac]

thats a lot of nickels

[haughty flicker]

Classic doomer speak

[hollow river]

owning coins in 2023

[grim jay]

there are still places where you need to pay with coins

tho

[hollow river]

i can't think of any?

[hot goblet]

I literally can’t find the buffs. I must have missed the notes 😂

[hollow river]

everything has a card swiper on it nowadays

[grim jay]

not in germany

[haughty flicker]

Those machines that make quarters into little flattened trinkets

[grim jay]

[haughty flicker]

[hollow river]

if you go to the blizzard website and look at the 10.1 patch notes, it's there

[hot goblet]

Found! I guess they came in quite late? I had been keeping an eye during most of the testing at beta notes

[hollow river]

idk, was last week

May 2nd

[grand trail]

NS still not fixed tho

😄

[hollow river]

oh. in the US everything has em now; washing machines, vending machines, etc

[hollow river]

that was in a prior set of notes iirc, should be coming at some point

[amber stream]

Hey guys, would Lariat be the best option to craft first? Or are we going to be after the neck from pinnacle?

[grim jay]

yeah its uncommon but there are still some places in germany. like an old bakery here and there, some car wash boxes etc

corona got us on track again regarding that

was way worse before

[hollow river]

check pins for embellishments

[royal lantern]

@haughty flicker tbf, rn my main thought is just "why did they adjust amps working on sub but not on outlaw"

like, that one is just....weird?

clearly they keep a eye on that thing, but then ignore it for the other spec?

idk, just seems strange

[cobalt hemlock]

so blizz though sub was worse than assa? i thought sub was better

well now it is for sure

[royal lantern]

it was

and is

assa is the lowest ST in the game with BM rn

if you go by the current sims and stuff

[cobalt hemlock]

wait are we worse than ww 💀

[royal lantern]

ofc changes can and will happen

[royal lantern]

sub and assa both where/are 🙂

[haughty flicker]

Yeah idk what the logic was of removing some instances of it but not others

[cobalt hemlock]

wait even after the buffs sub is worse than ww

[haughty flicker]

But then again outlaws spec fantasy is borrowed power so they can’t take that from us

[royal lantern]

that buff is neutral to 0,% mate lol

[cobalt hemlock]

i feel like i wasnt dooming enough now

[royal lantern]

cus removing trinket amps is a also a huge hit

[cobalt hemlock]

i thought they increased all dmg by 4% shoudnt that be at least 4% buff

[royal lantern]

35-40% of subs dmg was trinket/procs

they removed all interactions with sub talents making trinkets/procs stronger

aka big nerf

and then buffed ability dmg by 4%

it evens out

its not a "real" buff

[cobalt hemlock]

oh

[royal lantern]

at best its 0,2-0,4% gain, if at all

[grim jay]

but feels better

[royal lantern]

i mean yeha

i personaly dont like when the majority of my dmg is NOT me actually using abilitys lol

[grim jay]

yep

always liked trinkets that grant buffs or stats more than the damaging type

aswell

I even kinda feel bummed playing UH DK because the pets are such a huge part nowadays

in my head it wasnt that bad back in legion for example

but might just be me imagining

@royal lantern my 388 SP casually holds 132k with non-optimal rotation on the aoe dummies

[royal lantern]

well

you know how outlaw is litearlly BALANCED around bladeflury existing?

like, for decades now?

they gave spriest bladeflury, and thats it

and then people act suprised why its doing stupid aoe dmg

[grim jay]

actually

its better implemented tbf

[royal lantern]

nah, implemented its not good

its just overtuned lol

cus there was 0 thought given how it would impact spriest

outlaw actually has some thought behind bladeflury

spriest is just "uhm, they duplicated dmg on dot targets, sounds cool right????"

[grim jay]

it feels way more natural and theme-wise right to me tbf

as it did before

its just stronger now because they removed the other strong aoe part

I'm actually not even sure if its stronger than the sear one before alone

or just bcs you can get 3 capstones now, if it is

[molten galleon]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[subtle tundra]

Wait so sp have both blade flurry and ic?

[grim jay]

permanent bladeflurry

and IC

😄

[subtle tundra]

With lower cd

[grim jay]

dont forget they have better manual dotting aswell

[royal lantern]

they have a passive talent that more or less says "targets that have your dot, take %(dont know the number rn) of your ST spells as dmg"

aka

bladeflury, the dot version

[grim jay]

30%

[oak tangle]

and the 8 target dot ability is a 20s cd

[subtle tundra]

Funny

[oak tangle]

so it's blade flurry without pressing a button, and 2x the IC's

whilst being tuned in the top ~7 for st

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

.jpg

[haughty flicker]

And brings pi

Nice

[pseudo hamlet]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[oak tangle]

coincidentally

i'm probs playing sp

[subtle tundra]

Too bad I don't have a priest leveled

[haughty flicker]

I actually need to lvl mine before timewalking ends

[oak tangle]

and the biggest reason is so that i can also do something other than dps

cause like zero of my friend group can / want to play a healer

[grim jay]

same

but I dont want to either

😄

[oak tangle]

i don't but i make exception for MW and disc cause you do healing by damage

won't catch me speccing holy

[royal lantern]

i mean

"disc does dmg" is a meme anyway

cus disc doesnt even do the highest healer dmg lol

its litearlly just replacing "generic aoe healer spell"

[grim jay]

I think the only healer I'd actually play if I had to would be holy pal

[oak tangle]

i mean they can't let disc do the highest damage otherwise why would you take anything else

[royal lantern]

yes ofc lol

its just funny cus many people think disc is "dps healer"

when its litearlly just a normal healer

[oak tangle]

it is, but you spend less of your time targetting your allies health bars

[royal lantern]

yes, dmg abilitys healing trought atoment is a thing, but they are not doing high dmg, its just how they aoe heal lol

[oak tangle]

same thing with MW you just slap RSK and you keep people topped

I actively hate myself when i play disc and i have to penance an ally

[haughty flicker]

Lmao

Bring back ashen hallow

Top dps charts and aoe heal the whole group

[oak tangle]

i did play hpal in BFA when they had a budget atonement

[royal lantern]

i mean, isnt that mostly a "somone stood in shit/tank droped harder/something didnt get interupted" moment

[oak tangle]

it's more so tank taking massive damage angle, for the most part, your radiances can top that

throw out a shield and keep going

[royal lantern]

ye, my priest friend just always told me that: disc priest in m+ is a force multiplier, if the group is good, disc is good, if the group is decent or bad you dont play disc

and yeha

[oak tangle]

power word life is amazing and that catches the stand in bad

[grim jay]

I wish I could play my arcane mage as an alt, but mage has that one talent thats triggering me the most in DF

[deft flicker]

SKB??

[royal lantern]

you mean, they use a healthpot for the first time in their life and it goes on the long cd

[oak tangle]

lol

[grim jay]

no, its literally the timewarp talent lol

[oak tangle]

the amount of time they sit at like 40% askign for heals and i respond, yeah i'm waiting for you to go below 35

[deft flicker]

Go take some more damage so I can heal you properly

[oak tangle]

that's the fun part of m+ tbh, where you know they wont die if they do the right thing so you don't top them

they panicking and actually using defensives

and you're just laughing

[deft flicker]

Defensives are there to be used

[grim jay]

I actually dont know how you can bind a strong capstone talent to the usage of a spell that you dont even decide alone most of the time and want at specific points

if you could just make it a separate button

[oak tangle]

it's not as bad on frost, cause you dont stack it, but yeah still sucks

[grim jay]

it remains that you need to use the original spell before you can use the talent

[oak tangle]

yeah for sure

[deft flicker]

Just use time anomaly

[grim jay]

thats like bigtime worse

iirc

[deft flicker]

(ig it sucks though)

[oak tangle]

just send lust on pull and say whoops i fat fingered it

every

time

[grim jay]

I dont think you'll get many pulls in that way

guess that would work in m+ tho

[oak tangle]

m+ is good cause it's about total uptime mostly

[grim jay]

yeah its way less of an issue there

[oak tangle]

they literally just need to have a item that works like the neral dampener, but stops your stuff applying to others

[royal lantern]

mate, people dont even use their offensive cd's

many wow players always play like "need to hold for boss"

instead of just USING THEM

dps that never use cd's on trash, healers that never use healing cd's, tanks that dont use deff cd's

its insane

[deft flicker]

Yeah

[haughty flicker]

When I first started playing wow I had that issue

[oak tangle]

but i can't barrier on first pack in HoV because i'll need it for skovald

[haughty flicker]

Got told I was shit pretty quickly though

[royal lantern]

i remember when DF launched, and the bigbrain place, aka reddit was FULL with stuff like "healers, are dungeons overtuned now??? i need to use my healing cd's every 2nd trashpack"

and im there like

YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO DO THAT YOU BRAINLET??????

wtf i need to use my ability with a 2-3min cd that tops everyone in very fast speed and no mana cost???????

[oak tangle]

📠

[queen pulsar]

Is the spec that doomed it became healer discord ?

[deft flicker]

Like it’s the coolest button you have why wouldn’t you want to press it??

[oak tangle]

our healing to dps ratio is getting smaller

[royal lantern]

tbf, divine hymne in m+ can feel bad

[oak tangle]

crimson vial got a 25% buff

[queen pulsar]

It got nerfed from 30% to 25% no ?

[oak tangle]

our hp got a 25% buff though

[haughty flicker]

That was the dreaded soothing darkness fiasco

They forgot vial

we big healing now

[uneven summit]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[deft flicker]

Yeah. But pressing apotheosis and just throwing words left and right is fun

[queen pulsar]

Is there a link to the latest tunes ?

[royal lantern]

ye

idk why people hate on holy priest so much

[queen pulsar]

I saw something about sub that’s all

[royal lantern]

legit most fun healer

[haughty flicker]

Apotheosis is fun

[royal lantern]

assa got a small nerf cus thats clearly what assa needed, thats it

[oak tangle]

i don't hate it, but never bothered to learn it, cause i don't wanna play whack-a-mole with hp bars and not interact with dungeon mobs

[queen pulsar]

Rly ? Zzzz

[royal lantern]

i mean, the nerf is "we dont want class stuff to interact with trinkets/effects" and assa 4set was 1 of those things

[oak tangle]

technically a bug fix yeah

[royal lantern]

and idk why they didnt change anything for outlaw when they said that, but yeha

[queen pulsar]

Which trinket were nature dmg

[deft flicker]

I tried holy, and something felt odd. Most likely keybind trouble (my first healer, so button placement was awkward)

[royal lantern]

technically its just a bugfix/change for consistancy, but also results int a small dps lost for the 2nd worst ST dmg spec in the game that can only do ST dmg and nothing else 🙂

[oak tangle]

🥓

[royal lantern]

beacon

[fallen raven]

the toxic embellishments as well, right?

[oak tangle]

also it makes flowstone not even considered

which is a good thing

[queen pulsar]

Well, I suppose that assa being good in pvp is fine enough for blizzard to ignore our pain

[oak tangle]

is it though?

no one here knows

[hot goblet]

what’s PvP?

[royal lantern]

iirc, assa is not even good anymore in pvp lol

[queen pulsar]

Just pressed 3 letters randomly idk either

[royal lantern]

like, got nerfed hard there AND the cc changes for pvp fuck rogue in general harder than everyone else

+the ussual PVP LMAO

[queen pulsar]

I had hopes that after s1 being low tier spec in m+ they would have made something to sin for s2

But I suppose. It is too late now

[royal lantern]

it wasnt just low for m+

it was low everything

[drifting cosmos]

Don’t think sin has any high tier since BFA

[royal lantern]

Sanctum

rogue was all 3 top spots there lol

[queen pulsar]

I did not rly raided in s1 cannot speak

[drifting cosmos]

Oh yea frost abuse

But in keys definitely been bottom specs since bfa

[indigo ginkgo]

have you guys noticed that the ring isnt procking

[burnt latch]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[queen pulsar]

To compare how much are dungeon slice for top tier dps

[grim jay]

?

[grim jay]

I mean, you had examples of sin pushing high with good performance

[indigo ginkgo]

on every fight i have, i have the cowl damage but not 1 porc of the eranog ring

[grim jay]

its just a good bit more effort

[indigo ginkgo]

proc *

[grim jay]

show logs

[earnest citrus]

128k ST DPS sounds giga low, or am I mistaken?

[grim jay]

it just procced for me tho

[earnest citrus]

I think I saw most specs doing ~130-135kish?

[indigo ginkgo]

just asking from killing rares every rare i killed in new zone everytime 0 proc

just asking if its a zone thing , or i am bugged, or .....

[queen pulsar]

Off there will always be one guy that makes nice push but with ideal comp and 24h of dungeon per day to time once

[grim jay]

its not like the top performing guys/girls of other specs dont invest that much time

tho

and ideal comps always are a thing

[queen pulsar]

True but to be honest while in sub difference from top 1 to top 2 is like 10 rio and in sin difference from top 1 and top 2 is like 300 rio

It is kinda weird

[royal lantern]

it is 🙂

[earnest citrus]

Wasn't sub already better? Or how does sub perform? I saw they buffed it today. Was hoping for a Sin buff :(

[royal lantern]

sub is better

but also not good

and yeha

assa is in dire need of help, and gets nothing, enjoy

[earnest citrus]

That is so sad.... I really love assa, it is the most rogue spec in my opinion. Although sub is also pretty close.

[earnest citrus]

Is any rogue spec doing well in raid at all?

[balmy condor]

no

[earnest citrus]

I mean rogue has advantages like being very tanky and stuff, but purely damage wise?

[royal lantern]

no

all ranged stomp on melee

and rogue is the bottom half of melee

thats the current raid balancing in numbers

[cold spoke]

rogue is tanky, so is dk

sadly its not cataclysm anymore

[earnest citrus]

well, true...

did not inspect the raid fights a lot, are they at least favorable for (sin) rogue in their design?

[royal lantern]

no

the raid looks bad for melee overall

many downtime mechanics

[earnest citrus]

seems like the perfect season to play sin/rogue, nice /s

[royal lantern]

what

[earnest citrus]

surely we gonna get huge buffs soon

[royal lantern]

oh yeha sarcasm

thought you bring up the bigbrain "assa less punished by downtimes, im smort" comment, sorry

[haughty flicker]

True just put on your poisons and walk away

Downtime doesn’t even matter

[royal lantern]

assa less punished by downtimes cus dots(rupture from sub does more dmg, dot dmg overall is almost equal)

[haughty flicker]

sin gaming

[royal lantern]

not like as if downtimes also fuck you hard

what, stacking amp poison?

poison procs with hits?

nononono

that HUGE garrote+rupture dmg makes all downtimes not matter

you still do insane 4 digit numbers every 2 seconds

[earnest citrus]

Sad when melees are kinda week compared to ranged, since they just have advantages apart from damage, too.

[haughty flicker]

Dot spec btw

[grim jay]

big part of that is the meta slave mind of most people tbf

even if you cant blame them if they still have fun

[royal lantern]

i mean, for rogue its also a bit like

why play assa in m+ for more work and less results

when you can play sub and turn your brain off

and do more dmg

and be better at mechanics

and actually have a soothe

and can do things like fenryr vanish

[earnest citrus]

Fun? Isn't that why we play this game

[royal lantern]

tbf, fun goes a bit down the gutter when you sweat your ass off for low results

[grim jay]

thats still a giant meme

never even once took someone rogue seriously into consideration for a soothe

[earnest citrus]

True, playing meta is fun. I am kinda of a fotm I have to admit.

[royal lantern]

its still not a good soothe yeha, but for assa its just not a thing at all lol

[grim jay]

cant blame anyone for being fotm

tho I still prefer to not have them in my groups

no matter if raiding or dungeons

[cold spoke]

i mean does it matter if youre fotm or not

for me its the fact that rogue doesnt rly feel nice at all to play, yet alone damage

id rather be mid pack with nice rotation and spec flow over being s+ tier with absolute dog playstyle

but somehow its both negatives combined

[grim jay]

it does

atleast from experience

if there isnt a giant gap between the specs of the players you choose from, the non-fotms are often the better picks

[winged veldt]

Yea cuz they usually been on their toon longer tbh. Fotm is missing part of the spec that makes it, all the small shit that means the world. Also drawn into it with not much brain power left over for mechanics lol

[grim jay]

I have that one guy in my guild that switches classes like other people their underwear and he is a good player mostly, but you can see a night and day difference between something he plays most of the time and his fotm rolls/alts

most people cant even play a whole class, even if its 2/3 dps specs, on a high level. you will always see them lacking on one or the other

not to mention multiple classes

thats just how it is

[winter gale]

I have huge difference in lvl on skill between 3 rogue specs

And I have 350 days on it

/ played

[lavish hazel]

can we already replace lariat by slimy boots ?

[grim jay]

you could

sim it

[lavish hazel]

i cant ..?

[oak tangle]

i'm gonna hold off on making any decision regarding anything until i am raiding

[lavish hazel]

i ahve to take off lariat ?

[grim jay]

maybe

use gear compare?

and add a neck?

[oak tangle]

the BiS atm is not a lariat, but that is also atm and the bis seems to be having addendums every day / tuning patch

but by the time you have the spark to spend on something other than a dagger i'm sure that stuff will be worked out

[tawny junco]

Is assa the spec that will deal the most in pure single target?

[royal lantern]

🙂

[grim jay]

its insane

literally broken

[late surge]

assa > demo lock

we got hidden 150k sims

[clever sapphire]

[sturdy valve]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[winged veldt]

With that question I am gonna make a safe bet and tell you play which ever spec and it won’t matter.

[strange trail]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[balmy condor]

!ts

[prisma monolith]

<t:1683373319:f>

[frigid pilot]

sin getting a 10% overall buff on Tuesday trust

[cold spoke]

[dusty trellis]

[balmy condor]

gotta repin to give people the red blip

[strange trail]

we gonna use Slimy, toxic thorn or spore colony ?

[dusty trellis]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[strange trail]

didnt see the pin update, sorry bro

[balmy condor]

all good, that's why I pointed it out :)

[earnest remnant]

whisp how much you reckon the change to talents and what not affecting items will hit assa?

[balmy condor]

0

the only thing it hit was our tier bonus

and we weren't playing around it for trinkets to begin with

[earnest remnant]

good to know ty

[balmy condor]

the vers change to embellishments actually gave us about 0.6%

[subtle tundra]

uhhhhhhhhhhh

so bad nerfs buffs us

[balmy condor]

losing shoulders lost us about 1%

but like

it's pretty okay

we basically stayed equal through all of the whitelisting and all that

[earnest remnant]

yeah we are about the same

[deft flicker]

So exsanging DM for juicier boon was a fever dream?? Whew

[earnest remnant]

now we just need another 3-4% buff to be more competitive

[deft flicker]

[balmy condor]

we need more than that

[earnest remnant]

like i think if we ended at like 136-137k it would be quite nice

maybe 135k

[subtle tundra]

waiting for m+ buffs

hehe

[balmy condor]

my main wish is not needing to scroll down 125 combos for kingsbane

but yeh

[earnest remnant]

lol

i think they did new commits to the simcraft website

highest sim is 140.4

so 134-135k seems like a good ballpark to end at

[subtle tundra]

and then make us do st in m+

[winged veldt]

Yea I just wanna be middle of the pack in hopes to be left the fuck alone unless they gonna do a rework lol

[subtle tundra]

and then make us do aoe in m+

fuck

[earnest remnant]

so like a 3% buff would put us around there

[subtle tundra]

we're not outlaw or sub :///////////////////////

we cant do more than 1 thing

[winged veldt]

I don’t mind going back to the niche rolls each spec had, too fucking homogenized anyways or getting there

[subtle tundra]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[subtle tundra]

DUDE WE SIM MORE IN DUNGEONSLICE THAN IN ST LETS GO

[tawny junco]

I don’t have much time to play, and I would like to know on which items I should focus the farming with the few time I have to dedicate. No need to be edgy,make a smile 😁

[opaque latch]

Guys what you think about assa in raid? it will be avaible or suck balls af?

[limber lion]

Yeah but also a lot of the apl's out there ain't perfect so it's honestly kinda hard to say. Like Demo/Fury are simming over 140k and everything else less than 135k, but it's probs not as black and white

[drifting cosmos]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[limber lion]

Also missing a lot of profiles

[eager solstice]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[limber lion]

Assa is fine, not great.

[earnest remnant]

yeah its gonna be interesting see how it actually plays out when raid opens

[balmy condor]

are you assa, cause you're fine

but also are you warlock

because you're op

and I wish I were you

[limber lion]

👨‍❤️‍💋‍👨

[winged veldt]

LOL

[balmy condor]

idk if stat changes are in sims btw

I'm a little suspicious

[cosmic prism]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[balmy condor]

so

that might have some funny surprises

looks like the dagger at least is

[winged veldt]

I dont need to be top of the fun meter. I wanna linger in the middle of the sims is all i care for lol

[limber lion]

Any mastery stacker gamers in the chat

[limber lion]

IMAGINE the envenoms!

[balmy condor]

sigh

I just reran all my sims

with the class trinket

forgetting that it's nature damage

[winged veldt]

yea thats not middle of the pack Whispyr! Fix us!

[balmy condor]

and that means its bad now

[limber lion]

Fuck

[balmy condor]

so now I GOTTA RERUN EVERYTHING AGAIN

bomb dispenser + beacon

[strange niche]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[limber lion]

Hey but at least you have all the sims and profiles ready to go right

[balmy condor]

[drifting cosmos]

seriously tho, do we play around 4p in dgn at all? or just play as normal

[balmy condor]

#1065730164077645916 has dumb tech

aside from that, no

[earnest remnant]

the class trinket, isnt it just dmg to yourself not the target?

[balmy condor]

all normal

[balmy condor]

oh

idk

either way

thing is dogshit now

[balmy condor]

was simming within margin of the other things

now it wasn't

idk

class trinket not being top trinket

is the dumbest fucking thing

[earnest remnant]

yeah

[balmy condor]

I have ever heard in my life

[earnest remnant]

one thing i dont get

why is our

a random statproc

when other classes gets it on their cds??????????

[balmy condor]

it's legit 10 ilvl higher than every other trinket, and can't keep up

OH WAIT

it got nerfed today

that's why it sucks

[cunning oxide]

hard agree but at least were not fighting everyone for it 😄

[earnest remnant]

yeah they removed the hast scaling on it

[drifting cosmos]

have no idea what some of those tunings trying to achieve

[balmy condor]

I guess the trinkets were really good for other people

[late surge]

wasnt it bad for like all classes that uses same as us?

[earnest remnant]

yeah demo lost 5k dps

to the change

[cunning oxide]

It was giga for UDK im pretty sure

[drifting cosmos]

unless they're trying to be fair, no haste scaling for everyone

[earnest remnant]

its just dumb that some of them procs when you use your CDS and others are random ass procs

like WOOOOAAAAW

i got 3k main stat

outside of my cds

[winged veldt]

LOL

[earnest remnant]

just watch it spit in your face

and proc right after you come out of cds

[winged veldt]

track it just to see how bad it cucks you proccing right after your cds lol

[balmy condor]

brother

[cold spoke]

its fine rogue is flatline dps anyway

[balmy condor]

why

[winged veldt]

WTF

is that

huh

[late surge]

what is the base

[balmy condor]

I can't escape my demons

[winged veldt]

make boon die

[spice surge]

Worth noting that they give the same stats on average, despite theirs being not random

[earnest remnant]

yep

[balmy condor]

fragment beacon

[earnest remnant]

its so dumb

[late surge]

oh

[cunning oxide]

boon is uncapped, its never dying

[late surge]

WTB BOMB

[cunning oxide]

long live the boon!

[winged veldt]

but my bomb!

[balmy condor]

bomb suck in m+

[winged veldt]

Where my bomb!

[cold spoke]

boon

[spice surge]

Now its good for hunter too, it was a good meme when it procced of stampede for MM

[late surge]

oh ye it was dslice sim

mb

[drifting cosmos]

wait, sint bomb aoe trinket?

[balmy condor]

split aoe yes

[cunning oxide]

bomb isnt aoe

[balmy condor]

they have to die with it though

which is uh

[cunning oxide]

i mean it is but it is split

[strange niche]

Since resets on it can’t be simmed, torch probably will stay pretty relevant too right?

[balmy condor]

tricky

[drifting cosmos]

i see

[spice surge]

But the aoe is still lower than the singletarget damage though isnt it

[balmy condor]

mythic torch needs about 2-3 resets to be competitive

[winged veldt]

maybe at 424 with a good bit of dying lol

[cunning oxide]

^

depends on the key

[strange niche]

Gotcha thanks 🫡

[cunning oxide]

on odyn for example its huge

prio dmg on certain packs

[balmy condor]

I think you forgot

this is #assassination

we don't do m+ here

[cunning oxide]

hahha

[winged veldt]

lol

[drifting cosmos]

[balmy condor]

everyone that does m+ rerolled to literally any other spec in the game

[late surge]

I do weeklies as assa

[cunning oxide]

when i see dslice i assume were talking d's

[late surge]

🙂

[drifting cosmos]

i missed those legion bfa days keying as Sin

[balmy condor]

crafting torc with crit/vers crit/haste and crit/mast

is within 20 dps

nice

I love secondary stats

[winged veldt]

uh