done and done
#assassination
gusty mirage
earnest remnant
turned into off-topic 0.3
gusty mirage
can't wait for them to fight over PI
cold spoke
PI goes to assa rogue 
dark token
outlaw the only on topic channel i never thought id see the day
cold spoke
need all the help we can get
pallid bough
while we sit there stabbing with our lil daggies
*in diablo 4
dark token
sin and sub just dooming
lone junco
speaking of
gusty mirage
*in diablo 4
true
pallid bough
thorn fjord
turned into off-topic 0.3
There a way to see how much dmg reduction atro does on a fight?
Random question i know
gusty mirage
damage taken, look at the mitigated %
in events
tiny ember
if your RL ask alot if anyone besides your fellow rogue brothers ask you say it's mnadatory
storm forum
wait
spice spire
Because of trinkets
storm forum
was there a bluepost?
storm forum
shhh its doom time
spice spire
No man
storm forum
i havent read the notes but
royal lantern
That effect everyone?
did that ever stop the slowmode?
spice spire
storm belfry
storm forum
holy shit I can't believe blizz rn. nerfing all these trinkets unfairly hits rogue like a truck. every other spec scales better with stats so when they hit the flat dam trinkets we're left with nothing. NOTHING. Flowstone doing 30% of our damage was our only route to decent numbers and now we're just fucked.
storm forum
i was hoping that the less my doompost made sense the more likely it would be that whispyr would turn on slow mode
brazen zodiac
o.o
storm forum
feelsbadman
spice spire
Bozo
gusty mirage
how bold of you to assume whispyr's the only one that puts this shithole in slowmode
flint tusk
We need to be gigadoomer in this channel.
To get slowmode triggered
royal lantern
assa bad, game bad, oxi stinks
blazing jewel
royal lantern
my dooming is done
gusty mirage
assa bad, game bad, oxi stinks
true I did just finish working out
I need to shower
royal lantern
true I did just finish working out
leme sniff
gusty mirage
leme sniff
blazing jewel
bet oxi snorts preworkout off of barbells
royal lantern
marble hemlock
true I did just finish working out
That why quakes dad didn't answer the phone?
gusty mirage
bet oxi snorts preworkout off of barbells
my resting heart rate is 83-85bpm
I aint trying to die
not yet at least
blazing jewel
high blood pressure makes you more vascular ggez
warm void
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gusty mirage
That why quakes dad didn't answer the phone?
nah I've moved on
not going near that snake family
🐍
spice spire
brazen zodiac
https://tenor.com/view/cat-sniff-gif-26264120
cute
sinful island
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austere lintel
https://www.wowhead.com/news/weapon-secondary-stat-hotfixes-in-aberrus-raid-3327...
spice spire
@storm forum is my source of wowhead info now 
spice spire
They broke the dagger change first
storm forum
i didnt even know it changed
spice spire
:blunder:
storm forum
someone just asked what the stats on the dagger was while I was logged in looking at boss abilities
spice spire
Sorry you’re the news now
storm forum
o no
gray hazel
Have you guys used your spark on anything this week?
sweet dawn
I made a dagger
gray hazel
I was thinking the same, seems like the most reliable one to make at the start anyways
celest drift
Dagger is the safe bet
bleak ledge
Holding off on sending the sparks until after the first S2 vault
winged veldt
bruh sub chat had a full on melt down i see lol
peak bobcat
Sad times
velvet ridge
oh wow, daggers better now huh
royal lantern
its a mh weapon
stats dont matter there
you use it cus it is the weapon with the highest ilvl
pallid bough
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gusty mirage
bruh sub chat had a full on melt down i see lol
cerulean nest
frigid pilot
what % of sin rogues r emo/goth because of blizz balancing? 
final star
https://tenor.com/view/oh-no-oh-no-anyway-gif-18887547
WE ARE LIKE YING AND YANG
strange python
what % of sin rogues r emo/goth because of blizz balancing? <:Kappa:675691839881...
Not just sin.
flint tusk
i'm confused what's happened in sub chat?
this can't be all from the dagger stats changing surely?
royal lantern
just general dooming cus of the lack of changes and the fact that sub doesnt look good
aka what this channel went trought ~2months ago when the realisation that no changes will happen came
balmy condor
They should be used to it from bfa
oak sky
Is outlaw just gonna use crafted oh or underrot weapon
royal lantern
They should be used to it from bfa
you know yourself that 90% of that channel users are fotm rollers that didnt play sub before DF, and only play it cus it was strong in the first few weeks and m+ 
how should they be used to it
tiny ember
I was a sub when zull happend ....i did my time
sweet dawn
Fotm players be tweakin sometimes
static glacier
where did the whole next raid is melee unfriendly originate from
despite being one of the top players in my roster im told me and 2 of our best melee who are "non essential" classes might have to sit and it's nothing to do with our gameplay
gleaming jackal
💀
static glacier
at this point I might have to play an alt to not grief the melee / range split
cerulean walrus
Just gaslight them into thinking Atrophic is essential
Smh
You aren’t playing the long con
static glacier
thing is if I stick to rogue i'll just take another good player's melee spot and i'd rather have 2 good vs 1 good 1 bad in raid
static glacier
xd
not high enough for this to matter unless the raid is actually insanely melee unfriendly
cerulean walrus
Ok I’ll take that as it doesn’t fucking matter then
Tell them they’re being stupid
And play rogue
static glacier
and if im told we can't take 2 rogues + 1 feral on this boss and one of us three would have to sit
is it fair?
frigid kestrel
Incoming stupid question: does the new set mean that we spam CT after the initial Deathmark cast so we can take advantage of the %20 increase in nature damage with the %40 increase in overall nature damage? Or do we fish for PB? Or do we still follow the rule if the mobs are in motion CT if still PB? Or do we have zero clue at all?
frigid pilot
ATR 
PHIC
frigid kestrel
This is a M+ question btw
noble leaf
Does rogue even count as a melee slot in a melee unfriendly raid when we are basically immortal in prog?
jovial adder
Rogues are fine, why can't we just be positive. Blizzard will see the damage we do and give us a nice week 2 buff 🙂
gleaming sorrel
3% buff 
frigid kestrel
thats like asking how to create fire
How does one create fire?
frigid kestrel
https://tenor.com/view/chiquichico-gif-26004262
noble leaf
I’m positive we are down bad rn. But sure we def are getting week 2 buffs
frigid kestrel
I’m positive we are down bad rn. But sure we def are getting week 2 buffs
Week 4, let’s start a pool on who guesses it right
noble leaf
If anything we will close the gap on locks when rwf rolls 10 purple deep and catch a nerf
static glacier
Does rogue even count as a melee slot in a melee unfriendly raid when we are bas...
honestly I feel like the melee unfriendliness was overexaggerated
looking at the fights
either way I have both evo and hunter 420ish and ready incase rogue unplayable
gleaming sorrel
i think it was ironic no?
dark token
there's no way blizz would leave us like this
There's no way they leave sin bad all season if they are under tuned right
Blizzard doing frequent tuning right
No way they ever leave us with no changes for months right
gleaming sorrel
CN sin was fun
noble leaf
They gotta buff sin. This raid is heavy ST, it’s our time to shine. huffs copium
static glacier
as it stands the issue with sin is it's just shit compared to the other two specs, same or less st and less aoe in exchange for slightly more burst / execute, it just ain't worth
also god forbid there's an add that needs to be killed quickly
proper tapir
I wonder if this blue post means our 4p buffs boots now
static glacier
our dmg on shit like sennarth big spiders is such dogshit, we hardswap and do healer damage
frigid pilot
as it stands the issue with sin is it's just shit compared to the other two spec...
sin has the HUGE advantage of making it impossible to parse without planning killtimes and micromanaging ur guilds lust timings
static glacier
xdddddd
gleaming sorrel
XD
abstract junco
It's fine. Part of being a Rogue is smearing spec identity across the class, right?
jovial adder
Does the rogue dev still hang around the discord?
carmine dawn
there is no rogue dev specifically
late surge
realz wrote smth in outlaw like 10 min ago
carmine dawn
but he works on other classes too
carmine dawn
dont ddos him though. else youll get the infamous skip response
jovial adder
That's cool they're still around. Maybe we hear something in the coming weeks.
proud basin
i would just like to know their though process on why we in the feels bad club
static glacier
I suspect they might balance / design for casual playerbase
not top 400 or w/e the average rogue in here is
I think the lower down you go the better sin becomes
static glacier
low skill floor
lower than the other two
or so hc performance seems to indicate
cerulean walrus
I love the fact I can leave my desk to make a sandwich between mutilates
carmine dawn
no you can perform at the floor, and be high
cerulean walrus
no you can perform at the floor, and be high
I’ll show you high
carmine dawn
cerulean walrus
carmine dawn
you like my new emote fer
cerulean walrus
carmine dawn
before ronkles yoinks it
static glacier
cerulean walrus
Show
jovial adder
Low skill floor or not, Assassination is still fun to play
carmine dawn
the NPC one up there
static glacier
agreed, fun spec
dark token
whats wrong with npc emote
ionic matrix
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ionic matrix
Really disappointed with sin tuning honestly this entire expansion except week one.
The idea that sub or outlaw sim higher single target while having at will cleave and sub with no aoe cap is annoying to say the least.
shrewd night
ionic matrix
Tasty popcorn.
odd dew
I heard class tuning was meant to be out today, I am guessing it's next week now?
ionic matrix
They did fix some stuff on ptr like outlaw tier but havent seen tuning
I didnt know any tuning was coming besides the stuff they did on tuesday
cerulean walrus
<:Koff:1100007612839374858><a:hyperPopcorn:934886271602548799>
Gotta savor that flavor
storm belfry
shrewd night
<:Koff:1100007612839374858><a:popcorn:618126773514797106>
Salted caramel popcorn
shrewd night
Need to get more tears then so it gets salted up 
proud basin
does this revert affect us in anyway?
cerulean walrus
Need to get more tears then so it gets salted up <:Pepelaugh:718974563031187477>
Don’t worry they will flow
near valley
Need to get more tears then so it gets salted up <:Pepelaugh:718974563031187477>
I'm a buttered popcorn kinda Rogue
frigid pilot
which 1 did u guys choose
storm belfry
choose the box homie
near valley
Need to get more tears then so it gets salted up <:Pepelaugh:718974563031187477>
BTW can you change my number again
1999 is too long
drifting cosmos
The trinket proc rate change, is that mostly nerf trinkets?
winged ravine
wow hey an assassination fix 
gaunt moat
HUH?
tropic dust
Mood
somber hill
which 1 did u guys choose
where do u get this quest?
main blaze
where do u get this quest?
Kemora in Valdrakken
ionic matrix
does this revert affect us in anyway?
Do you think this modifies spore shoulders?
proud basin
would be cool if it did but i was hoping that a big brain would be able to provide some insight
oblique jackal
i assume it's a typo.. People make mistakes
winged ravine
or is the wording just off?
i imagine they just meant to put it as subtlety in the outline and accidentally put assassination
gusty mirage
Do you think this modifies spore shoulders?
we don't play the spore shoulders anymore
proud basin
even with the revert?
proud basin
does this revert affect us in anyway?
this one
gusty mirage
that's not why we didn't play the shoulders
the shoulders do not work the way the tooltip reads
you can't have new applications until the dot runs out
static glacier
ayo oxi
gusty mirage
yo
static glacier
what trinks should we aim for, been debating between sark trink and bombs
since sark sims higher but by a tiny amount
proud basin
sub getting that 4% on 5/9
strange python
its over
gusty mirage
what trinks should we aim for, been debating between sark trink and bombs
looking like still the same as before, beacon + neltharion's call or beacon + bomb + neltharions and bomb
strange python
no 20 % aurabuff
gaunt moat
don't we go for the iridium-whatever from halls of infusion?
static glacier
im guessing the crit amount buff on the scale doesn't matter
spice spire
Not anymore
gaunt moat
things change quick round' here
lucid birch
@spice spire rogue buff
dim flicker
lol where is a rogue buff?
lucid birch
Idk I don’t play it I just ping quake out of love :3
white orchid
the blue post said assass we must be getting our own wowhead page for the buffs 🙂
static glacier
spice spire
<@226508540746006528> rogue buff
Ty papi
lucid birch
Np!
balmy condor
It’s sub
shut owl
what blue post about sin was that? lol
shut owl
I was in discord and said "I bet sin's getting a nerf" as a meme... didn't actually expect it to be true
balmy condor
Probably near neutral at best
echo heath
Because fun interactions with items are not the kind of fun blizz wants you to have!!
cerulean walrus
Probably near neutral at best
gusty mirage
idk if passive damage amps are fun interactions
spice spire
Nah
gusty mirage
@gray crest you know better.
spice spire
We don’t do that man.
gaunt moat
I was in discord and said "I bet sin's getting a nerf" as a meme... didn't actua...
Where's the assassination compensation 🥲
i guess it doesn't impact us much
proud basin
@balmy condor just remember you wanted it XD
gusty mirage
assassination doesn't need a 4% aura buff to compensate for that change
shut owl
where's my KB back t-t it felt like when I finally learned to let it rip better in m+ they removed it
gusty mirage
considering all our damage amps have been whitelisted forever
shut owl
we definitely need a 0.1% buff or something for it
gaunt moat
Probably at most just blocks the interaction with the boots
gusty mirage
no we need a 10% buff
shut owl
I meant on top of that oxi
gusty mirage
I will give you guys kudos though
echo heath
Make kingsbane baseline
shut owl
I was specifically speaking to the "no more fun nature damage boosting" aspect
spice surge
Technically an assa buff because its now better comparatively to sub
gusty mirage
a sub meltdown is like haley's comet
spice surge
gusty mirage
they come by once every 2-3 years
shut owl
well... on-use tech for sub nerf is hilarious but needed
gusty mirage
went an entire expac with deeper daggers affecting all things shadow damage
burnt star
gusty mirage
it was super cool that the sylv daggers were instantly significantly better for sub because they got amped by deeper daggers
for all of 9.1
and most of 9.2.5
spice surge
But sub getting nerfed wasnt really what i expected from a tuning pass 
gusty mirage
you'll be fine
you stack crit/vers
do your thang sneaky boys
just try not to look at the purple names at the top of the meters
it'll make you feel better
spice surge
Ye im not worried really, if its dogshit i actually have faith blizzard will buff it
And otherwise ill just swap to assa so its fine
spice surge
(obviously not swapping to outlaw)
gaunt moat
you're dealing with this better than sub is
i checked it out. it's rough.
gaunt moat
tbf demo needs a buff
shut owl
I tried running pirate last night having not touched it since leveling in some casual keys lol... it was a treat going from 120k to 40k and not knowing why 
gaunt moat
no change to shaman either
spice spire
fucking FERAL
Makeitmeow in shambles
gusty mirage
no change to shaman either
the tears from elemental shaman would cause another world flooding akin to noah's ark
didn't you hear?
they're terrible now
echo heath
Holy shit that's a huge nerf
gusty mirage
(still top 3rd btw)
but if you ask them
end of the world
meanwhile poor feral catching strays
gaunt moat
isn't it enhancement that sims like 140+k dps?
shut owl
my class not being #1 in all content? unfair, fix now bliz.
gaunt moat
but the sim is the average, right?
gusty mirage
ya
gaunt moat
so overall that's their "true" value (minus it's a sim and not actual play)
spice spire
No
strange python
Why
strange python
Who's call is it
gusty mirage
we've reached acceptance
spice spire
grim tangle
I'm a balance druid now :)
spice surge
@gusty mirage Hey oxi what is the best embellishment for my sub rogue, i see a lot of changes are happening and im confused what to craft, can you please help me out?
gaunt moat
We're at the stage of "I just play assassination cause I like it"
spice spire
Quake why can't I doom
Why waste your energy dooming
whole mason
Unfortunately, it's just too many rogue players. We'll be good next raid after ppl switch out.
winged ravine
We're at the stage of "I just play assassination cause I like it"
the feral main approach, i like it
spice spire
Should be leveling that lock 
dark moth
Are the stats changing with these nerfs??
strange python
Why waste your energy dooming
Because they put enough energy regen into sin to have plenty left over.
spice spire
True
gusty mirage
<@192059095279337473> Hey oxi what is the best embellishment for my sub rogue, i...
Of course man, so what you do is hearth back to Valdrakken. Bring up the system menu, click log off, and then you click Create Character, click the Death Knight class, level that to 70, gear it up, and enjoy doing damage!
hope this helps!
spice spire
Of course man, so what you do is hearth back to Valdrakken. Bring up the system ...
Oxi you don’t get it man
gaunt moat
I was expecting walock
spice spire
Their set is bad
spice surge
Of course man, so what you do is hearth back to Valdrakken. Bring up the system ...
I cant even do this correctly 
https://i.gyazo.com/3cdcbc5115474db034ff2503448a10fd.png
gusty mirage
Their set is bad
the only consolation is you'll always have higher ilvl than them
spice spire
It’s only the average 8% gain instead of 20
nocturne lagoon
oxi rerolling warlock confirmed ?
gusty mirage
I cant even do this correctly <:pepehands:757566347558387803> https://i.gyazo.co...
at least you look good
strange python
I blame foreverguy putting us in B tier for everyone else thinking were fine.
gusty mirage
that's a 10% dps increase by itself
gusty mirage
oxi rerolling warlock confirmed ?
nah fam
deft flicker
why did people hate them again
There were no pandas in their Arthas game
spice surge
why did people hate them again
China bad or something
gusty mirage
oh
shrewd night
feral got nerfed
gusty mirage
you know looking at the sims that have been floating around
drifting cloud
makeitmeow
gusty mirage
thank god they nerfed feral
gusty mirage
why
shrewd night
gusty mirage
it's not like they do good ST
isn't that why WW monk does dogshit ST?
because they're good in aoe?
oblique jackal
Man, the tuning this expansion is something else.. borderline makes me want to quit the game
spice surge
Feral is like a good version of monks arent they
As in they do mid singletarget but cranked aoe
gusty mirage
feral is the good version of assassination rogue
shrewd night
Mad cranked aoe
spice surge
Ye that too
winged ravine
feral is the good version of assassination rogue
crazy how the tables turned on that one
outer lodge
Is Assa in shambles right now?
gaunt moat
Man, the tuning this expansion is something else.. borderline makes me want to q...
Realized that when BM hunters got their bows.
gusty mirage
why would it be in shambles right now
a 0.1% nerf at most is shambles when it was already doing mediocre damage?
rogue's already been in shambles brother
this changes nothing
drifting cosmos
Def must think sin is fine, no further tuning yet
oblique jackal
Realized that when BM hunters got their bows.
haha facts ! they should stop adding legendary weapons
strange python
Is Assa in shambles right now?
We are, mathematically, the worst spec in the game
gusty mirage
We are, mathematically, the worst spec in the game
BM hunter exists
strange python
After vault where we were, the worst spec.
strange python
^
gaunt moat
I mean, we joked about them slapping a 5% buff on sin and calling it "fixed" for months.
and that's exactly what happened.
gusty mirage
I pray that BM does prot pally damage
that's the only thing that'll save this tier for me
gusty mirage
bound to happen with a spec that's been the same for essentially a decade sadly
shrewd night
They have to be careful about adjusting sin because it affects the scaling.
gusty mirage
I hate you
near valley
@shrewd night ty 
gusty mirage
so much rn
shrewd night
strange python
bound to happen with a spec that's been the same for essentially a decade sadly
Shouldn't a spec that hasn't been changed in a decade be easier to tune?
spice surge
They have to be careful about adjusting sin because it affects the scaling.
Ye and sin is very powerful when dealing with downtime since dots do a lot of their damage
strange python
You know what knobs to turn, etc
gusty mirage
Shouldn't a spec that hasn't been changed in a decade be easier to tune?
yes
which is even more confusing
spice surge
So they are a good melee spec to bring when the fight has lots of melee downtime
Is what i heard from a tierlist video
shrewd night
So they are a good melee spec to bring when the fight has lots of melee downtime...
People see what they want to see.
spice surge
People see what they want to see.
gusty mirage
eleem and shiennar are trying to hurt me
spice surge
Indeed
gusty mirage
in a sensitive time in my life
near valley
in a sensitive time in my life
gusty mirage
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spice surge
@gusty mirage 
shrewd night
in a sensitive time in my life
Could be worse, could be denied by coworker.
near valley
<:PES_SadHug:622403182252916756>
I'll give u a sensitive time bro dw
pure tide
Buff rogue quit with the teasing
gaunt moat
haha facts ! they should stop adding legendary weapons
I like cool weapons that are not just stat sticks.
But it's a problem when only on class gets them.
But the bigger issue with the rasz bow was the bug that they took like 2 months to address.
near valley
silk bane
okay been dooming over there in #subtlety forgot to come check here, whats happened to sin so far? just a slight nerf?
gaunt moat
and then after addressing the bug, they still gave them a buff 
oblique jackal
I like cool weapons that are not just stat sticks.
But it's a problem when only ...
That seems to be huge common issue with blizzard in recent history.. It could be due to lack of employees ya know ?
gusty mirage
okay been dooming over there in <#316923898501529600> forgot to come check here,...
we're still atrophic bots
same ol same ol
silk bane
ah so same as the other 2 specs then! based
gusty mirage
oblique jackal
Seems like a lot of people are still leaving blizzard so they can't retain employees
silk bane
alright brb gonna work on my Atrophic is crucial presentation a bit more. reeeeally gotta sell it now
gusty mirage
see the other specs made fun of us for months
drowsy nimbus
Atleast outlaw can now play the game , its still pretty mid/bad tho lmao
gusty mirage
but now the assassination boys and girls and non-gender conforming identities are forged in the fire of being shit
insert bane from batman meme here
gusty mirage
tyty ❤️
silk bane
what a legend god damn
gaunt moat
That seems to be huge common issue with blizzard in recent history.. It could be...
Can't know for sure
but I can't imagine a world that this is a bug that takes more than half a day to fix.
i don't know how their code works, but i imagine they have a flag they can just switch if an ability affects pets.
so i doubt it's manpower issue.
silk bane
to be fair wouldnt u be in meltdown if you had to play sepsis flag dust rotten?
final star
I have an emote for this but it's tos
that the dobonhonkaroos
gusty mirage
that the dobonhonkaroos
no its the pepes shaking wee wees
final star
😮
eager solstice
I think if you're playing ass atm, you've prolly been maining it for years. Once you main assa, other classes seem meh
spice surge
but now the assassination boys and girls and non-gender conforming identities ar...
Assassination will rise from the ashes, like a majestic phoenix that sweeps across the raid, topping the meters and parsing straight 
s
shrewd night
Assassination will rise from the ashes, like a majestic phoenix that sweeps acro...
Ilevel?
oblique jackal
Well, people are spending money on this game
oblique jackal
If it was free.. then id def say its a little ,much
gaunt moat
they still want you as rogue?
gaunt moat
haha
ebon notch
bro i reroll off a fucked class thinking id be safe and then i land on another fucked class
what is my luck
inland dirge
they still want you as rogue?
yeah dude atro diff
gusty mirage
bro i reroll off a fucked class thinking id be safe and then i land on another f...
which one is that
eager solstice
True, but assa was part of echo's first raza kill so it's been solid under the right player imo
gaunt moat
THAT SWEET SWEET 3% DAMAGE REDUCTION
spice surge
Ilevel?
Watch your tone with me boy, You may be a shadow, but im still your superior as a....something? idk the quote ends here
silk bane
oxi been telling them about atrophic for like 3 months now. legit brain washed them with his smooooth lawyer talk
ebon notch
which one is that
ret
near valley
Imagine rerolling from an enhance to play rogue
oblique jackal
thank god sin and sub are even now
gusty mirage
yeah I mean rogue will be fine in the context of a raid environment, but it doesn't feel good to be mediocre/bad
oblique jackal
i was worried we be too good
gusty mirage
problem is when your only raid utility is damage (because lol atrophic), you feel useless
ebon notch
so im gonna get given new 2p and sit on that the whole tier
gusty mirage
and that's not a fun way to play the game
ebon notch
while they give the rest of the gear to shamans and priests
near valley
You forgot evasion tanking
gusty mirage
I felt that way on anduin in 9.2
near valley
Best raid utility
gusty mirage
I felt legitimately useless
and my suspicions were confirmed when I died in 2nd intermission
and I was worth 2% boss damage
lol
eager solstice
assa has a lot going for it too, not a complete shit spec. Wouldn't surprise me if we see it in the main roster for wfr
silk bane
problem is when your only raid utility is damage (because lol atrophic), you fee...
its not that tho, not a single pug group in entire existance would bring a rogue for atrophic, so people who raid more casually without a guild are litealrly never gonna get in a pug raid.
near valley
and I was worth 2% boss damage
gusty mirage
they didn't brez me
and I wasn't even mad at them for it
I was like yeah I don't fucking blame them
someone else can cover my stun
near valley
Would have been a dps loss
near valley
shrewd night
gusty mirage
blast music, hope the real classes do damage, move on
shrewd night
Curing raid depression is just blasting music, and drinking some jose
near valley
Jose?
nocturne lagoon
<@163713951392202755> remembers
I had a BLAST.
shrewd night
storm belfry
near valley
Jose Cuervo the only brand my college ass can afford
gaunt moat
TBF, this week on rasz, in phase one, i was sometimes topping dps as sin.
of course, that means fuck all because you have to hold dps.
spice spire
Curing raid depression is just blasting music, and drinking some jose
Jigglypuff
gusty mirage
Jigglypuff
imma jiggle my puff on your chin
near valley
If it doesn't show up in details, did you really press sectech?
spice spire
imma jiggle my puff on your chin
Who are you talking to right now? Who is it that you think you see? Do you know how high my parses are in vaults? I mean, even if I tell you, you wouldn’t believe it. Do you know what happens if I suddenly decide to stop going meowing? A boss big enough it could be listed on the ASP goes belly-up. Gone. It ceases to exist without me. No, you clearly don’t know who you’re talking to so let me clue you in. I am not in danger of being meowed at, @gusty mirage. I am the danger. A guy opens his front door and gets meowed at, and you think that of me? No. I am the one who meows.
hardy dagger
inland dirge
brazen zodiac
gusty mirage
haughty flicker
This is the content I stay in this discord for
gusty mirage
strange python
Poor realz 😦
odd dew
So what is the point of trinkets having damage types if they dont make class talents or abilities work with them
winged veldt
yea realz made an appearance then got what was on their minds ><.
I was just watching like "This is awkward"
gusty mirage
Poor realz 😦
you posted a very well thought out and greatly worded statement
and then the apes derailed it
winged veldt
exactly
strange python
I know how to express myself when I'm not being baited by Ahri and kieron
Sometimes
gusty mirage
which is what I tell everyone who asks if they can ping realz
your post was actually a prime example of what it should be
vs the typical crying
strange python
I honestly and genuinely believe 99% of rogue dooming would be avoided with better communication
gusty mirage
I agree
strange python
"we know lingering sucks but we won't get to it until a later patch" would go a long way
gusty mirage
Even a "I hear your complaints" would go miles
storm belfry
Sin is next in line guys
ornate aspen
For bench?
misty holly
I saw a chart that showed outlaw is looking good still. Time to find me some swords!
storm belfry
Why did sub pop off on realz
gusty mirage
because they're a bunch of babies
silk bane
did we pop off on realz though?
I guess a bunch of people are spamming him actually yeha
idk
storm belfry
V weird behavior
slow needle
Someone did napkin maths and argued that even with the 4% buff it is still a nerf to remove the interactions.
gusty mirage
After getting a buff
it ends up being a slight nerf at worst
storm belfry
Need more oxygen
gusty mirage
it's also why we end up being hardlined on pings
strange python
Why did sub pop off on realz
Rogues are in a bad spot tuning and design wise and are separate for answers/communication
storm belfry
it ends up being a slight nerf at worst
Maybe I’m stupid or misread but wasn’t it a 4p buff slightly and a 4% buff all around
slow needle
But they didn't include the tier buff in their maths.
gusty mirage
because @strange python 's post is a minority when it comes to back and forth with devs
silk bane
V weird behavior
its like when you have been starved of attention, and u get the slightest hint of a girl being into you and youre now giga crushing going full weird mode.
gusty mirage
if every post was like that
storm belfry
Rogues are in a bad spot tuning and design wise and are separate for answers/com...
Okay. No need to act like a lunatic and @ mfs negatively lmao
strange python
because <@456226577798135808> 's post is a minority when it comes to back and fo...
Don't ping me
gusty mirage
Don't ping me
sorry dad
strange python
gusty mirage
that 2nd one wasn't even a ping!
winged veldt
Okay. No need to act like a lunatic and @ mfs negatively lmao
nothing about his post was lunatic ish and the devs need to hear the negativity too so it can be fixed. nothing about that post was bad
strange python
Think he's just memeing cause of my name
hardy dagger
storm belfry
I didn’t read it. I wasn’t calling his post out. I didn’t t even know he did lmao
I just skimmed and saw ppl saying mfs were going off on realz
And saw some tears and left
winged veldt
yea some others were out of line ish but this is the state it gets to when you ignore issues for so long
near valley
Every spec channel has their go crazy when Realz appears moments
winged veldt
with no communication
storm belfry
yea some others were out of line ish but this is the state it gets to when you i...
No excuse tbh
Like can’t excuse that behavior lmao
Tf are you a man child
haughty flicker
Sub has proven it’s just as bad as the rest of us
winged veldt
@storm belfry the fuck you mean am i a man child?
storm belfry
Seems like a bunch of zimbitas in there
winged veldt
Go read moron before just assuming
remote heath
spice spire
silk bane
its not the core sub tho, its a bunch of people ive never seen there before
storm belfry
The ppl who act like that
Or excuse that behavior
Are children
If the shoe fits wear it King. Idk wasn’t meaning you or I would’ve said
storm belfry
Farz
oak sky
Lol thats what it is in every channel
haughty flicker
We go again
ornate aspen
Why are we arguing over what someone in the sub channel said, in Assassination
storm belfry
Yeah I literally don’t care
storm belfry
Just don’t get why they cry when there were two buffs from what I read
near valley
storm belfry
Like drug addicts I guess
winged veldt
@storm belfry yea cuz we should never ever let people know when their are issues. Not making an excuse but at the same time they caused it too. Both sides are wrong. If you wanna just sit back and say oh no its the devs they can do no wrong then you are jaded af. THEY CANT FIX IT IF NO ONE SAYS ITS BROKEN
storm belfry
You can make it an issue or bring up shit without being disrespectful tho
oak sky
They removed interactions with trinkets thats just a nerf
Like its a correct move but its a nerf
storm belfry
Lack of communication isn’t no where near as bad as mongoloid 1iq brain responses or rage posts
winged veldt
true
storm belfry
Cringe
winged ravine
anyone feel like laughing at my stupid as fuck impatience actually bricking me out of a shadowflame spark
gusty mirage
don't tell me you crafted the shoulders
haughty flicker
near valley
storm belfry
This is why I told ppl to wait til next week
winged ravine
i was on a toss up between sin and outlaw this patch because i love them both and made a bet one of the dagger specs would be better than the sword spec
storm belfry
Cause crafting literally doesn’t matter this week
remote heath
Dont craft anything until first vault week
gusty mirage
you just use it in your OH for outlaw
winged ravine
i made this
storm belfry
^
winged ravine
i made the daggy
storm belfry
Yeah if that’s what you crafted
gusty mirage
oh
storm belfry
That’s not bad
gusty mirage
yeah you're chillin bro
winged ravine
and now its relegated to OH if i play OL lol
haughty flicker
It’s not a complete waste, but oh outlaw will be using underrot weapon
oak sky
Farm underrot wep
winged ravine
yeah exactly
haughty flicker
So it’s still not good
near valley
Only thing u made was NOT a mistake
gusty mirage
It’s not a complete waste, but oh outlaw will be using underrot weapon
ye eventually
winged ravine
like i should have waited and i absolutely recognize this is 100% my dumbass fault for being impatient
broken ibex
no shot Outlaw is better at ST than Sub or Sin... cmon boys, lets be real. He's prob fine that he crafted a dagger already
winged ravine
and its technically salveageable
near valley
Underrot weapon drops first run 
winged ravine
but man it stings lol
haughty flicker
Imagine not getting underrot weapon first week
storm belfry
Ider what that weapon is
near valley
A weapon from underrot
haughty flicker
It has green text
winged ravine
brb powerleveling a new rogue and pretending this never happened
haughty flicker
So it’s bis for outlaw
winged ravine
near valley
Green text enjoyers weapon
storm belfry
What’s it called
winged ravine
crawg tusks
storm belfry
I’ll look it up
gusty mirage
bile something crawg tusk
storm belfry
Okay
winged ravine
something like that
storm belfry
Oh nature dam
ornate aspen
FOK build was the greatest 3 weeks of my life
storm belfry
Sorry guys for acting like a buffoon earlier. I shall sleep
hardy dagger
Fok build bugged ns with posion knife
gusty mirage
oh did we circle back to the smoking crack step of grief?
near valley
oh did we circle back to the smoking crack step of grief?
Did it ever stop?
ornate aspen
dude opening poison knife was hilarious
near valley
Some peeps are smoking crack on CD
ornate aspen
Deadly Poison was like 40% total dam
storm belfry
What the..
ornate aspen
Smoking crack is the last step before buffs, yeah?
odd dew
Feels a bit bad on ass still getting radio silence for the entire patch but sub gets a slight nerf (Possible buff from what dev is saying) and the dev is in there immediately answering questions
marble hemlock
balmy condor
I mean 10.0.5 was pretty empty on communication, I agree
But we’ve had rogue attention in the last 3-4 ptr notes
Can’t move mountains in a day
marble hemlock
Did we though? Besides like the last one. The rest was all PvP stuff, no?
weak horizon
anyone got a link to last week's assassination tuning?
marble hemlock
But ultimately, tuning can always be remedied in some way, and someones gotta be bottom. Why that has to be the 2 specs that can only do st and nothing else, is a bit odd, but wcyd.
My biggest frustration personally, is the fact that both exsang and KB were changed/nerfed with the idea that smth would happen to them further down the line, and I think by the way it was originally worded, I simply exepcted that to not take 4+ months.
balmy condor
Did we though? Besides like the last one. The rest was all PvP stuff, no?
We had assa tuning, hotfixes for igneous flowstone, outlaw got tier bug fixes, assa got tier bug fixes, subtlety and assa got their whitelists fixed
It’s been quiet for a while
But like
balmy condor
You can’t tell me things aren’t moving
odd dew
Sure we got some tuning last week but it didn't address any of the issues plaguing the spec the entire patch.
My Complaints for would like to see some communication such as "We realise thats a problem, we are working on it", it would go along way is more what I am sad about
marble hemlock
I was thinking more like the last 3-4 major PTR patches throughout April. We only got some stuff very last minute, but obviously things are moving again, yeah.
balmy condor
Sure we got some tuning last week but it didn't address any of the issues plagui...
the issues plaguing the spec are issues plaguing the spec's core for the last decade, idk what you expected
ionic matrix
are we doing anything different with exsang into deathmark with 4pc
marble hemlock
If that's the locomotive starting to move, which obviously takes some time and isn't gonna be lightning speed, then I'll be very happy about that, yeah.
balmy condor
are we doing anything different with exsang into deathmark with 4pc
there's some deathmark->exsang tech for dungeons
but in single target no
ionic matrix
thanks
marble hemlock
there's some deathmark->exsang tech for dungeons
wouldnt that tech also apply if the ttd of a boss is less than dm+4pc duration?
balmy condor
wouldnt that tech also apply if the ttd of a boss is less than dm+4pc duration?
No because it’s not relevant for less than 3 target packs
marble hemlock
why not though? youre losing anywhere from 5-10seconds of 4pc if the boss dies 10sec before 4pc runs out. with dm>exsang you wouldve gotten full duration 
balmy condor
because the DM time is more important than the tier time
on less than 3 targets, 5 seconds of DM is > 5 seconds of tier
marble hemlock
so... buff tier? 
balmy condor
idk if that's the solution
would be a bit weird if tier was more powerful second for second than our main cooldown
weak horizon
nerf deathmark 
balmy condor
deathmark is like a 12% button
4 piece would have to be stronger than that, at twice the duration
marble hemlock
i mean everything about this tierset is weird so i think that'd make perfect sense 
balmy condor
that seems a little ridiculous
north granite
Just woke up, nightstalker fixed?
north granite
Don't discriminate specs now...
weak horizon
i was about to say, does nightstalker even matter for us?
north granite
I'm dance Assa main
odd dew
that entire side of the tree needs a rework
balmy condor
I'm dance Assa main
you could've just said "I'm mentally ill"
would've saved you a couple letters
weak horizon
north granite
Wät
weak horizon
dance assassin mains ^
solemn current
north granite
If you know you know dude...
marble hemlock
even if it was fixed
give back ns snapshotting dots
north granite
marble hemlock
balmy condor
give back ns snapshotting dots
it does
balmy condor
I mean yeah
because it didn
and was bugged
but now with the supposed fix
it does
steel spire
dance assa
storm forum
man I wish the the 4p was DM increases nature damage during it
that would be rly good with KIngsbane
weak horizon
gusty mirage
you know what else would be really good with kingsbane?
it being put back where it was
storm forum
i mean current KB gets 0 value from 4p, at least with the change it would get something
north granite
Old talent tree 
gusty mirage
ya
marble hemlock
i mean current KB gets 0 value from 4p, at least with the change it would get so...
not entirely true
you can set up your KB to expire 2-3sec after DM expires so the last few ticks, the big ones, are buffed
gusty mirage
all the shit under KB's previous position helped make it better than just dtb
balmy condor
its not even that kb is bad. its just that dtb is too good, i guess?
dtb doubling dashing scoundrel is a bit ridiculous imo
steel spire
kingsbane is now shiv 👀
balmy condor
like it's a good capstone
but then it also just inherently doubles the talent before it
balmy condor
so instead of a 3% talent it's 6% now
marble hemlock
remove arterial precision, replace it with "you can now pickpocket enemies to buff your crimson vial"
marble hemlock
you can play kpop on prog all you want
gusty mirage
remove arterial precision, replace it with "you can now pickpocket enemies to bu...
our blizzcon promise finally fulfilled
balmy condor
I'm so excited
storm forum
please share that talent set up
marble hemlock
oh sorry you said kebap, not kpop
storm forum
i wanna play it
balmy condor
doner
gusty mirage
and my stream chat is going to lose their shit
ty for saving me time
balmy condor
marble hemlock
assa döner build
balmy condor
from watching your madness
you gotta be there though
surreal nova
Döner, and pls stop im getting hungry
storm forum
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marble hemlock
you have to mod oxi
balmy condor
who else is gonna ban the warlocks
marble hemlock
cant not be there
gusty mirage
jez when she's done collecting dragonriding appearances
balmy condor
and go "man you fucking suck"
marble hemlock
jez when she's done collecting dragonriding appearances
never?
surreal nova
how do you know they're locks?
marble hemlock
and go "man you fucking suck"
was he wrong tho?
balmy condor
how do you know they're locks?
they don't hide their names well
gusty mirage
how do you know they're locks?
because they're not smart enough to do it on alt accounts
these guys weren't even in good guilds
marble hemlock
i mean most of them self-reveal through weirdass names
sudden canyon
just saw a dratt-t-nose video and blizzard is removing dmg amp for damage thats not part of the rogues kit. sounds like beans bro.
gusty mirage
it's a matter of time before it reflects on live
north granite
balmy condor
was he wrong tho?
I'm just stupid
surreal nova
sounds a bit like fusion in 20 years but i'd take it
marble hemlock
youre also beautiful
but yeah idk whispyr
i think youre going down a dangerous road with kb/ap
marble hemlock
thatll lead down to someone calling you a baboon after asking you to show them ONE sim where its better
storm forum
tell them the damage profile is better cause you get a 3rd point in execute or something
actually just pull a warlock and make up some shit about how ur fudging the public sims and your set up is actually better
oak tangle
how many people do you require to die on your kills for grieftorch to compete with the new trinkets still
winged veldt
My guild will have more than enough to make up for it I’m sure lol
oak tangle
447 bacon vs 411 grief
oak tangle
hmmm doable
winged veldt
Lmao!
We’ll time to sleep and hopefully wake up to something in the realm of assa blah blah 25% buff. 😂
oak tangle
i just want a "buffed the feel of the spec by 100%"
fleet pagoda
is the new tier set a relative power drop from the 10.0 set? i'm assuming that's we got +5% last reset
balmy condor
the new tier set is slightly stronger than the current one
should mean that given equal ilvl, you would want to replace your current 4pc with 2+2
and then replace 2+2 with new 4pc obviously
fleet pagoda
oh, sweet, alrighty. thank you
sacred flame
on the wowhead, why is the visual opener and the text opener different?
which one is correct?
marble hemlock
that ER looking a bit misplaced
balmy condor
oh
I see what happened
the visual is okay
the list is just fucked again
fantastic
I love fixing this dogshit list
8 hours of my life down the drain again
sacred flame
ok. i was leaning toward the visual because getting that extra bit out of the stealth garrote seemed to make sense
balmy condor
it's unironically easier to make the visuals than it is to make the list
there is no interface for the list creation
it's literally just one giant list
and I get to add buttons that toggle list items on/off
and that's it
that's the whole thing
marble hemlock
we do love coding rotation switches dont we
balmy condor
the shadow priest one with all the required switches would've been 950 lines
according to the spriest writer
it's actually just not sustainable
sacred flame
im also assuming there isnt a way to macro exsanguinate and deathmark together in that order since one costs energy
sacred flame
ah that makes sense
marble hemlock
you could spellsequence macro them but... please dont. 😄
balmy condor
stealthi moment
marble hemlock
thats a compliment
sacred flame
never used a sequence. too clunky and ironically uses more brain power than it saves
for me anyway
onyx anvil
!fuu
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