assassination

[balmy condor]

everyone change your gems

[phone]% dps

[silk bane]

GOODBYE GREY PARSE HELLO GREEN PARSES

GEM GAMING

[drifting cosmos]

Shits feeling good with high crit (hello corruptions)

[fleet pagoda]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[boreal valley]

Was I getting trolled as far as tier sims being out goes 😦 I don't see them in either sheet

[fleet pagoda]

should I pretend that the spore colony in the single target sims is swapped out for boots for similarly ranked results on the spreadsheet?

just for my head canon at the moment

[spice spire]

Yes

But listen to the pin

[split grail]

Is sophic on weapons still correct?

[balmy condor]

the sims have tier enabled

[balmy condor]

yea

[split grail]

Thanks! And I think I saw tepid vers over elemental chaos

[balmy condor]

yes

[placid kraken]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[pallid bough]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/381413377722810370/1103899445336219678/image.png

[storm forum]

please delete that

please dont let anyone know we do less damage than WW

[rich vine]

Welcome to the new reality

[pallid bough]

gives me more time to play D4

all good

[rocky ruin]

for me its Star Wars

[inland dirge]

I wouldn't personally put any value into these things but

[pallid bough]

ya I mean

take it with a grain of salt

obviously should have said that as a disclaimer

[rocky ruin]

we dont, but somewhere along the lines there some truth

[storm forum]

for me it's my priest and the new vtuber fighting game

I just wanna doom

[inland dirge]

understandable

I apologize for interfering with despairge

[green ledge]

Got a link to this?

[inner temple]

Where you getting that from?

Lol

[green ledge]

🙂

[pallid bough]

idk someone linked it to me

[inner temple]

Doh

[inland dirge]

[pallid bough]

Sorry >.<

[eternal vortex]

Ww monks simmed like 129k tho

[pallid bough]

prob a bit outdated then

[inner temple]

Live simc has them at 126 rn

Numbers at least close but questionable still

[eternal vortex]

Oh nvm then

[pallid bough]

The person said that everything below frost mage isn’t optimized yet

[hardy lance]

hey i made that

and the ww sim that was 129k i made to 🙂

[pallid bough]

Pog

[hardy lance]

i changed every spec off of corrupting rage to vers

so everyone fell a bit

[pallid bough]

Ahh

[true basalt]

Hello fellow sinners.
I saw the aberrus rankings and while that’s not decisive, is it at least accurate?

[inland dirge]

which rankings lol

[true basalt]

Idk what logs is it using xD

Tell me this is wrong

Cuz i hate outlaw with my heart

[inland dirge]

[drifting cosmos]

outlaw or ret, pick your favourite

[strange python]

Are those from when outlaw set was 20%

[true basalt]

Idk

[blazing jewel]

100%

[snow hamlet]

Dice log

[blazing jewel]

was also when bomb dispenser was op or ww wouldnt be that high

[snow hamlet]

And outlaw roll 95

[true basalt]

Burnnnnn

Tbh yeah, they’re a bit too high. They should be thankful they at least APPEAR here

[blazing jewel]

using "overall" ptr logs is very vague

was there a minimum fight time on that

what bosses

[true basalt]

Yeah thats what i said, its not accurate at all

The only accurate ranking is demo lock

[vestal wren]

this is wrong

they used old raid testing data including buggy outlaw tier

[true basalt]

Ah okay

Goooood

[blazing jewel]

most classes changed since ptr a lot of that is irrelevant now ptr was for making sure the bosses functioned correctly

[vestal wren]

lets say it this way

if people say "all that matters is real testing"

they usually mean that they build their opinion based on raid testing

and don't use simc as a data point

but given the amount of changes after and during raid testing

[true basalt]

Imma play assa anyway , even if its the last dps, even if it has tank dmg, idc idc idc

[vestal wren]

you already see how this isn't a great option

because going from the above, that is build on raid testing data

outlaw is by far the best rogue and overall top 3 dps spec

but the detail that is missing is that their tier set was buggy for most of raid testing

[blazing jewel]

sub tag but committing sin

[vestal wren]

the consequence is that outlaw shows up very high

[true basalt]

I got all 3 roles cuz i stalk other channels, if thats what u meant

[blazing jewel]

just joking my guy

[vestal wren]

roles don't limit what channels you can see

[true basalt]

Oh they dont?

[vestal wren]

they are cosmetic

[slow tulip]

[vestal wren]

you need one to write, but after that you are set

[true basalt]

Okay

[vestal wren]

the member role is for people who don't want to decide

[ornate aspen]

All I want is kingsbane to be good again. Is that too much to ask? #justiceforkingsbane

I'm sure they're just waiting for the ret-style rework to come out tho

[peak escarp]

!whispyr

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/gigachad-chad-gif-20773266

[royal lantern]

it needs a ~50% buff for that

like, yeha, then its suddenly good

[drowsy parcel]

Delete dtb, better solution

[ornate aspen]

Dtb is a bit dull, I wouldnt mind that really

Legion era poison boy build. Kingsbane buff, poison bomb buff, deadly poison is top dam, let's go

[royal lantern]

dtb might aswell be "do X%more dmg"

[cold spoke]

its for giga chads that play all 3

[royal lantern]

no

those are called spec traitors

[true basalt]

A giga chad commits to one spec

And doesnt change around meta

[royal lantern]

1trick, assa+sub or outlaw

those are your options

[blazing jewel]

[ornate aspen]

Assassin is best girl, Sub is for world quests, outlaw is if you hate yourself

[blazing jewel]

world quests gross

[slow tulip]

[true basalt]

On rogue u got

• spec that cannot do the same dmg like other two specs
• spec that uses st rotation on aoe ( and rocks on both)
• spec that spams whatever and is still top dps with 1 button

[ornate aspen]

All 3 are a mess. Rogue needs some love, idk what happened during SL but I swear this class was great when I left

[blazing jewel]

[winter gale]

I feel worse when I join this channel 😂

[ornate aspen]

I dont even see rogues anymore in game. Class dead

Been running heroics on all my alts. Every group has an evoker or 3, not a single yellow boi

[balmy condor]

It’s -2% atm, which is the closest it’s been since the move in 10.0.5

And the burst is actually much higher than dtb

[royal lantern]

i mean, it is the least played class in the game

and probably a decent amount is m+ only outlaw alts

[vestal wren]

true

[ornate aspen]

Already being the weakest spec, then taking another 2% off the top just for an engaging talent feels uber bad tho

[vital haven]

is it?

[royal lantern]

for ages now lol

[ornate aspen]

Yes

[royal lantern]

like, since ~legion atleast

rogue, then monk, followed by warlock and priest

[ornate aspen]

What're we like 5%? Something like that

[vital haven]

where are the stats for that

out of curiosity

[ornate aspen]

Hunters are like 15

I tried to find it but looks like the site is gone. RIP. Warcraft logs can probably give a reasonably accurate estimate tho

Raideio too

[deft flicker]

This seems a bit odd

https://eu.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/what-is-the-least-played-wow-class/417264

Sauce (at least whatever Google presented as sauce)

I thought a lot more people would try the new dragon class

[royal lantern]

try yes

stay no

new class=low player count always

people dont suddenly drop their mains they had for years

even DH was low for a good while

[rapid forum]

Yea, new class always needs some time to balance itself out

[midnight mist]

is that why rogue is so low

quite a new class just need a bit of time

[royal lantern]

no, people just hate rogue

[rapid forum]

I honestly don't know why rogue is and always has been such a low played class

[royal lantern]

unironicaly, the thing is simply: 99% of the wow Playerbase are ultra casuals

[midnight mist]

I mean look at hunter count

[tawny bloom]

theres not a lot that holds you playing rogue

[royal lantern]

and those people like "knight shiny armor" more than "sneaky dirty tricks guy"

[tawny bloom]

hunter you just collect pokemon

[royal lantern]

and thats why MM sucks HARD

lone wolf is a giant mistake man

pets are THE hunter thing, and then 1spec just throws it away and even suffers from it cus of how hunter heroism works lol

[tawny bloom]

ive been saying this since wod when they also reworked pet identities

[winged quail]

!whispyr

😮

[deft flicker]

I quite liked MM being a proper bowman/gunner spec without

Might be just me though

[tawny bloom]

its fun to play when you dont have to be the lust, if you are the lust you get depressed

[deft flicker]

Yeah

[tawny bloom]

and also the fact that you cant properly 2 cleave. If group is doing baby pulls you lose so much damage coz for w/e reason there have to be atleast 3 targets for mm to get trick shots

while on the other hand you get beast cleave the moment you press multishot

[slow tulip]

is the night elf's shadowmeld any good for pve ?

[deft flicker]

As a hunter you can always guarantee having at least 3 targets

[tawny bloom]

its kinda good yes

[royal lantern]

can be decent for m+

but

you play a elf then

[slow tulip]

do you use like a specific macro with the shadowmeld or ?

🤔

[rapid forum]

Just play what you think looks best. If you have to ask about it, it's not relevant

[oak sky]

wait its actually kinda wild that rogue is like less than half of most other classes

being unpopular i already knew

but thats like next level unpopular

[rocky ruin]

More what rogues can do other class can do just better

[tawny bloom]

no wonder they don't hear us

[oak sky]

thats not how the game works really

people play whatever

[royal lantern]

thats not even the reason lol

its litearlly just

people dont like "im the sneaky guy" in RPG's

its always less popular

[cobalt flame]

Thats literally best RPG playstyle tho

[royal lantern]

there is a reason why fighter is the most played DnD class

[rocky ruin]

yes but im guy with superman eye beam or just a badass Harry Stotter is better right

[oak sky]

people like vanilla shit

warrior paladin

hunter

druid is probably popular because it has all 4 roles

[deft flicker]

More like because lore

[royal lantern]

DH is the wet dream of every edgelord

warrior/paladin are the most basic "heroic character" you can be

[tawny bloom]

probably that yes

[royal lantern]

nah, many wow players are just closet furrys and dont wanna accept it

[rocky ruin]

i think is comfort for farming before df

[deft flicker]

So they decide to play a tree

[royal lantern]

like, the 4least played classes are "sneaky guy, martial artist monk, dark magic user and healer"

i wonder why

maybe because those are less popular RPG tropes

[royal lantern]

druids dont have tree form for over a decade now mate lmao

like, only as a cd

[slow tulip]

where do you see this statistic btw of rogues being les played ?

thx in advance

[deft flicker]

From some wow forum post

I linked it a bit earlier

[slow tulip]

thx a lot

[deft flicker]

Most of the druids I’ve seen are moonkins. Not sure if that even counts as furry

[tawny bloom]

i mean owlbeasts are also fur/feather thing so that counts as furry

[deft flicker]

Fair point

[true basalt]

Im always the healer/sneaky/dark magic user guy in rpgs, even on lol i main support(enchanters) , i only play evelynn jg , and sometimes mid

[deft flicker]

I still feel like having iconic lore characters of certain classes can influence people’s choice a lot

[steel ridge]

The total number seems rather low, whats the criteria to count as unique character?

[normal mist]

Good transmogs for sure

(kidding)

[royal lantern]

rogue has....valeera that appeared a grand total of 3times, garona where most people dont even know that she is a rogue, and mathias shaw who is the only actually relevant rogue in the last 10years of wow

🙂

[normal mist]

The goat

[royal lantern]

and even then, only if you play alliance, for horde you dont interact with him

[deft flicker]

https://eu.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/what-is-the-least-played-wow-class/417264

There’s a video linked in the thread

[fringe spear]

now remove the bots

[deft flicker]

Meanwhile hunters have Sylvanas who has been milked for the past like 3 expansions

[fringe spear]

Druid stocks 📉

still pretty popular tho

[deft flicker]

Tameable Nathanos when Blizzard

[gleaming glacier]

Pretty sure I've seen this answered somewhere but too smoothbrain to remember, but our second exsang, do we sit on DM for 1 min to sync the second exsang in a single encounter?

[brazen lantern]

Nah no shot monk is more popular than dh

[royal lantern]

depeens on fight lenght

oh wait

[strange python]

Maybe. Rogue was hugely popular from vanilla through wrath.

[royal lantern]

sit on DM?

no, you never sit on DM

[strange python]

Seems to me like people have fled the class because of playstyle

[royal lantern]

if anything, you hold exsang for DM, but DM is used on CD

[brazen lantern]

So would only delay exsang for deathmark, not other way around?

[earnest remnant]

3:30 ish fight and you would

[deft flicker]

IIRC it’s “sync if you don’t lose cooldown usages to that”

[strange python]

I wonder if a 530 fight warrants holding third for pot too

[royal lantern]

[gleaming glacier]

right so between 5-6min fight you do, otherwise you dont?

[deft flicker]

In that case you can either hold dm for second exsang or hold exsand for third dm, depends on encounter

[cobalt flame]

Is onetricking assa next tier the play? It is right?

[gleaming glacier]

Makes sense, just couldn't find any discussion around it, ty for the answers

[royal lantern]

its always the play

except if you wanna do good numbers, then go warlock allready

[brazen lantern]

It is probably less incorrect than this tier

[deft flicker]

Maybe new races for monk made it more appealing

[royal lantern]

nah, many DH's just used the class cus havoc was the most easy to play m+ dps for 3expansions

now DH is not braindead and they fotm dropped

[cobalt flame]

There is higher chance of me playing healer than ranged

[true basalt]

DH is also a highly anticipated class, everyone was playing DH in Warcraft 3

[brazen lantern]

Idk

Monk could always be every race

So doubt

[deft flicker]

Ehhhh no

[royal lantern]

no

[brazen lantern]

Ok not worgen or goblin

[royal lantern]

lightforged/worgen/goblin could not, for some reasln

they added that ~1month ago

[brazen lantern]

Ye but no one plays those anyways

[deft flicker]

Worgen still can’t

[royal lantern]

wut?

[deft flicker]

I wanted a goblin monk tbh

[shrewd night]

Why you hating on hoblin mayne

[royal lantern]

average belf "i wanna look at my characters ass in fking world of warcraft" player

[tawny bloom]

the better the ass the better the "class feeling"

[brazen lantern]

Nah

[shrewd night]

Im reformed

Im a nelf player now

[brazen lantern]

Im velf now

[royal lantern]

ah yes, the Goth Phase

[shrewd night]

Id kill for velf druids

[steel ridge]

Ok the guy in the video says its taken from raider.io m+

[shrewd night]

Imagine the tendie forms

The shades

[brazen lantern]

But if there was a decent femboy race i would play that

Stuck with elf females til then 😤

[royal lantern]

vulpera has low male/female differences

dracthyr has none

closest you get to femboy rn

[brazen lantern]

Not a furry

[tawny bloom]

wait you can chose to be male or female dracthyr? I thought they were gender neutral

[brazen lantern]

Not a scaley

[royal lantern]

you can

voice/voicelines/gender during Dialoge

[shrewd night]

All characters are gender neutral now

[royal lantern]

dracthyd are male/female, they just dont look really different because....thats how....reptiles work....

[brazen lantern]

Wtb body type 1.5

[slow tulip]

can someone share like a working macro for shadowmeld + garrote

thx in advance ❤️

[vital haven]

no shot you havent played ff14

[brazen lantern]

Male viera enjoyer

[vital haven]

I KNEW IT

[royal lantern]

it doesnt work like that @slow tulip

in raids you cant do it at all, in m+ you need to distance a bit from the pack, re-stealth and then go, cus there is a high chance you instant get out in combat

[royal lantern]

did they ever add female hrotgar btw?

[vital haven]

nope

most likely next expack

[royal lantern]

bunch of clowns

[slow tulip]

so if i raid i basically dont use it at all right ?

[royal lantern]

square is legit so lazy, it hurts

[royal lantern]

if meld would work like vanish in raids, it would be the most broken thing ever

[vital haven]

dude poor viera and hrothgar cant even wear headgear

[slow tulip]

xD true and real

[brazen lantern]

After playing ff i realized how bad wow customization is

[slow tulip]

so racial wise mechagnomes and void elves are top for ally

the mecha heal is good also

[cold spoke]

i know but i dont want to doom too much

[royal lantern]

racials are a meme anyway

[blazing jewel]

raz would like to have a word with you

[slow tulip]

i did change from blood into night elf for the looks only :/

[royal lantern]

foreverguy is gatekeeping

[vital haven]

id say a underrated about wow character customization is that the different races are pretty distinct from each other

like wildly distinct

[royal lantern]

yes

[brazen lantern]

Lightforged and normal draenei

[vital haven]

well i mean

[slow tulip]

blood and void elf

[royal lantern]

1 of the few Games where its not "human/elf/dwarf/human with animal ears"

[vital haven]

there are dwarves undead tauren trolls gnomes etc etc

ye ofc allied races are sort of copy and paste but in ff14 its like hot girl

hot girl with cat ears

hot girl with horns

[royal lantern]

loli bait girl

[vital haven]

hot tall girl

[brazen lantern]

TALL MOMMY MILKERS WITH BUNNY EARS

U meant

[cold spoke]

nah been dooming for 6 expansions by now i need to retire shits never going to change haha

[slow tulip]

sorry they are not girls they are 10K years old dragons

[cold spoke]

i only ragequit rogue once

[brazen lantern]

Idk those arent rly lolis

I forgot their name

[cold spoke]

in uldir

[brazen lantern]

But they are like dolls

[vital haven]

ofc i will say in terms of armor design

[brazen lantern]

Not even humanlike

[vital haven]

ff is straight up better than wow

[pine dew]

is there a spreadsheet on the best weps for assassination?

or gear in general 😄

[brazen lantern]

I hated gender restricted armors

[cold spoke]

based

[winged quail]

Sounds like your average FF14 player

[runic hinge]

Check the pins

[pine dew]

im currently looking, and am somehow missing it 😮

[vital haven]

not on everything goddamit lol

[brazen lantern]

I remember there was a very pretty skirt and only female chars could use it

I was tilted af about that

[pine dew]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[sick aspen]

check here also Ssx

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[pine dew]

ty sins!

can i get someones opinion on a weapon i just got? im not seeing it anywhere on the charts and im bamboozled because it appears as if its in the same ballpark

[deft flicker]

Fine but probably not the best secondary stat distribution

[pine dew]

yea i was thinkn like having hte crafted in the oh ofcourse but that in mh

[balmy condor]

Mainhand Daggers are very easy, if the item level is bigger than what you currently have, it’s an upgrade.

Offhand daggers are less important and you can sacrifice 4 to 6 ilvl for better stats. Any more than that and you auto equip the higher ilvl

[pine dew]

right on

If i may ask Whisp, would u use a second stat stick trinket over something with agility and shit on use/on chance

[balmy condor]

90% of the time it’s

1. Get higher ilvl dagger
2. It replaces main hand
3. Old Main hand goes into offhand
4. Repeat

[regal canyon]

Hi, which spec is better for raid?

[pine dew]

like lets say i got a trinket with 600 crit

[balmy condor]

I don’t think there’s any good stat sticks this season

[pine dew]

can that way heavier

[inland dirge]

the spec you enjoy playing

[pine dew]

yea im guessing by the time all is said and done

[balmy condor]

But in general it’s just whatever sims higher

[pine dew]

those things are obsolete by default simply because you cant touch the ilvls the other trinkets do

right on, thank you greatly!

[balmy condor]

Np

[cold spoke]

i have no clue never played it

[oak tangle]

i'm torn between sticking to sin and swapping to spriest, and i have to raid lead this tier

[royal lantern]

honestly?

spriest

raidleading as ranged is way way more easy

you actually can see everyone

[oak tangle]

yeah, just somewhat need to learn spriest compared to sin is all

[royal lantern]

as melee dps, you dont know what actually is haplening behind you

[oak tangle]

but it seems simple enough that it'd be doable

[inland dirge]

you’ll also see yourself on the meters as spriest

[oak tangle]

also the priest tier and the zone mog is awesome

[peak bobcat]

Hungering destroyer in castle nathria

Ranged moves beam into your ass

[oak tangle]

i felt that

[dark token]

Spiteful storm being giga on sub but worse than CCT for sin feels kinda weird

I guess dot ticks don't count and sin has lower apm but still

[acoustic flicker]

Do yall find askmrrobot or raidbots better for simming

[subtle tundra]

[spice surge]

Do yall find gravel or hamburgers better for dinner?

[viscid spear]

AMR

[subtle tundra]

What a bad day to be literate

[undone summit]

Wth is askmrrobot🤨

[viscid spear]

Gravel

[cold spoke]

does it even work anymore

[royal lantern]

what kind of gravel

natural gravel, or cheap artifical one

[subtle tundra]

Gavel, the jailer weapon

[spice surge]

Industrial

[royal lantern]

pass then, hamburger for me

[tight fox]

Any sim links where I can see the impact of zolds?

[idle inlet]

Does anyone know how accurate parses are by specific item level. In my bracket I'm a 55 but in my specific ilvl I'm an 80 and wanted to know if that's like a statistics are fucky wucky when the sample size is too small or if 2 ilvl is that big of a deal

[royal lantern]

ilvl Parse should be fully ignored

its a worthless statistic

[idle inlet]

That's a wild take

[tight fox]

dont agree

[royal lantern]

no, it isnt a wild take

its straight up a fact lol

[tight fox]

unless you're way under geared

[royal lantern]

@spice spire need help, people dont belive me again

[idle inlet]

Then why does my parse go up when I get more gear did I suddenly become better?

[spice surge]

Ilvl parses arent good because ilvl isnt a good metric of your characters power

For example you can be 420 ilvl right now without having any raid trinkets, but if you have raid trinkets and a 424 dagger (but like a pair of 415 boots to weigh down your average) you'll do significantly more

[tight fox]

its a metric of your performance given that gear bracket vs overall performance for your spec that being the latter parse

[spice surge]

Yes, but ilvl isnt really a good indication of what "gear bracket" you are in

[tight fox]

its an indication if you press buttons good given what you have

xD

[spice surge]

Because if all of your gear is 400 but your weapon is 424, youll do massively more damage than somebody that has all 400 but 424 bracers

Yet you have the same ilvl

[tight fox]

sure, but thats an outlier which exist in normal parses too

[slow needle]

Eleem is kinda right though. Take 2 415 characters played to the exact same level of skill. Give one mythic eranogg ring and BiS trinkets along with as high an ilvl weapon that you can without going above 415 avg ilvl.

[tight fox]

how many 95-100 will be like that?

[spice surge]

No? Atleast not after a while

[slow needle]

And see the difference.

[tight fox]

again, outlier

not the norm

[spice surge]

Yes

It is the norm

Thats the thing

[slow needle]

Its an illustration.

[tight fox]

this is what happens when I ask for sims xD fml

[idle inlet]

Ok but then normal parses are also useless by these arguments

[tight fox]

get this instead

[spice surge]

Yes

[slow needle]

If you wanna see the impact of zolds just sim it yourself?

[tight fox]

cant log in rn

work

also my rouge isnt 100% geared per se yet, ive stones waiting in bags

[slow needle]

Shouldn't need to log in. Just grab your char from armory.

[tight fox]

^

ill have a look at it later

curious how useful it would be for that boss that jumps between platforms

compared to playing mage or another rouge spec

[spice surge]

But if you still believe ilvl parses are relevant you can search for the dozens of times its been mentioned before here and find countless people saying roughly what me and tryan is saying but formulated differently

[tight fox]

that doesnt mean much to me

[shrewd night]

Man, you're cooked if you think ilevel parses hold signifcant value

[tight fox]

if you get 100s of people telling you 2+2 is 5 i cant help you

[tight fox]

people see what they want to see

was pretty clear in what I said, which wasnt that

[raven merlin]

if overall pharses are higher their matters, if the ilvl pharses are higer their matters, EZ

[shrewd night]

[spice surge]

More or less cooked than a mcdonalds egg? Thats the question

[shrewd night]

Oven dont work, try the other one.

[night delta]

a very low bar to pass

[shrewd night]

Just to reiterate. Eleem is hundred percent right when saying itemlevel is not a good metric for player power or performance. Which makes ilevel parsing incredibly inconsistent and based on missing information. Parsing in general is a tip of the iceberg view of performance. If you arent willing to look deeper than the color of the number of your parse yall are already barking up the wrong tree. On the same token, parsing can be a very good metric if you are aware of the pitfalls and have absorbed the information available in a log. Thanks for my tedtalk, see you next week when we talk amore about the topic of "where bis list pls".

[tight fox]

its not a perfect metric but still useful, I never claimed otherwise

[spice surge]

Its not useful, thats what we are saying

[tight fox]

help yourself, doesnt bother me

[night delta]

I mean, a power cord extender on itself is not useful either

[tight fox]

idk why people are making out that im fighting for it to be THE guide metric

[night delta]

but it can be useful in conjunction with appliances

[tight fox]

indeed

[shrewd night]

[spice surge]

Well youre comparing the usefulness of different unplugged appliances to one that has power

Idk, cook up conclusions from your ilvl parses if you want to

[torn atlas]

!Whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[tight fox]

again people see what they want to see

its not worth explaining

If you get why it can have significance when other things aren't available to you at face value while acknowledging pitfalls such as a weapon being an outlier otherwise it doesn't matter

[spice surge]

Its not only weapons

[night delta]

"such as"

[spice surge]

Its trinkets, tier, embellishments, enchants, different slots

[royal lantern]

man, you say that while 4people tell you with examples why its not a good thing thing

[spice surge]

So they arent outliers

Theyre the norm

[shrewd night]

"Id have a 100 parse if I had all this other gear "

[tight fox]

what examples have you given? personal anecdote?

[tight fox]

case and point, you're arguing with w/e idea you have in your head

none of that was said, but w/e

[royal lantern]

like, i got a 100ilvl 2days ago on kurog

its not really worth much cus it was against 4people at that time lol, and overall was 86

[tight fox]

o/

[tight fox]

and you can take that into account and discount it

amazing

[spice surge]

But then how is the info useful

[tight fox]

you're asking for a 1 size fits all rule

[spice surge]

If you just discard it

[tight fox]

im not going to give you a stats 101 intro

[shrewd night]

He was in the top 20% of all people in his clas man

[spice surge]

Please do, ive taken stats

[shrewd night]

SICK

[spice surge]

Im interested in hearing your why your take is wildly different than literally everybody elses

[tight fox]

not worth the time, people see what they want to see and inflate what was said given context

[spice surge]

[night delta]

I get and agree that ilvlparse is easily muddied up by a lots of factors, but playing devil's advocate here, Grim isn't arguing it's always useful ; the converstation starter was someone claiming it is utterly worthless (as in, never useful), and grim disagreeing on that

[tight fox]

^ imagine being able to parse info

[spice surge]

Yes i now

[night delta]

he even paraphrased Koffing about it being useful when considering the right info

[spice surge]

And we said yes, it is always useless

Because what he considers outliers arent outliers, theyre the norm

[tight fox]

🤡

[night delta]

then you disagree with koffing

just to make sure, there's not just a we and him

[shrewd night]

Let me clarify

[night delta]

there are more nuanced takes all over

[tight fox]

multiple people typing... what have I done

[spice surge]

Analyzing your logs to improve = Useful
Comparing your ilvl rankings to somebody else = not useful

[shrewd night]

Parsing in general can be good if pitfalls are considered, ilevel parses should be abolished.

[peak bobcat]

All koffing is saying is if you’re trying to see how good you’re doing in comparison to someone else is by looking at ilevel parses, then you are looking at the wrong metrics to begin with

He’s not saying there is no information to be gained, there’s just better information elsewhere in a log

[tight fox]

which wanst what was said

[tight fox]

indeed

[peak bobcat]

If you’re 20 ilevels below the rank 1s and you’re grey parsing overall but you’re 100 parsing ilevel then in that situation it’s useless

[shrewd night]

When I think Im home free yall drag me right back in again

[tight fox]

doing gods work

[night delta]

tbf unless you are pretty close to BiS, it feels like overall parses are **also **useleess as far as the self-improvement process is concerned

[peak bobcat]

I mean if you don’t have at least decent gear why are you trying to parse anyways

[shrewd night]

What was said was "ilevel parsing can be useful as an indicator if you press buttons well with what you have" which is false. If you want to see if you can push buttons well, sim yourself and try to replicate on dummies. If you want useful information from a log, ilevelparsing is doo-doo.

[night delta]

like in your example : i overall grey because i'm 20 ilvl below BiS and cannot hope to push even into green, let alone blue. Am I doing something wrong ? who tf knows shrug

[shrewd night]

I mean, unless you are a warlock, because that APL is just cursed thousand times over.

[tight fox]

a parse isnt a st sim, which is why you want to compare yourself vs other people, how did they do etc

typing out a 100 line what if else argument isnt worth it

[peak bobcat]

Fun fact a lot of the top parses don’t even play perfectly!

[night delta]

Handling rotation vs dummy and handling rotation vs Boss with abilities is a wildly different beast tbf

[tight fox]

yup, not to mention cheesing etc

[night delta]

you can be perfect on dummy but having a hard time concentrating on both rotation + mechanics, and your dps suffering because of that

[tight fox]

^

[shrewd night]

Eleem, they are making my head hurt.

[earnest remnant]

a for effort shiennar

[peak bobcat]

You should stop looking at colored numbers anyways

[night delta]

things that keep up hope

[shrewd night]

There is a pretty distinct difference between "I just want to see if I can press buttons well" and "I did this fight mechanically well"

Jesus christ.

[spice surge]

If you want to improve your logs you'd use a tool like https://lorrgs.io/ to compare your cooldown and casts to the top logs to see what and how they handle things differently

(or just check the log itself, but this is easier)

Looking at your overall ilvl parse provides no value or context to improving

[tight fox]

like I said i cba typing out a 100 line what if then else argument vs who knows how many people that want to engage the argument

[spice surge]

Because the "top log" in your ilvl bracket is likely playing it very incorrectly as well

So you would rather copy the overall top log

[shrewd night]

There are even compare tools within warcraftlogs where you can find a log of similar raid-size (if thats relevant) and kill time which would provide more answers than a ilevel parse would.

[tight fox]

this was never the claim

[spice surge]

So im asking, in what situation is ilvl parses useful

[shrewd night]

I know, I know. "People see what they want to see."

[spice surge]

For what purpose are they useful

[tight fox]

a basic indicator if you dont have ilv

[spice surge]

A base indicator of what

[tight fox]

not something that you use as a sole indicator of performance as was said by someone above

[shrewd night]

Brethren

Brother

friend

Lad

[spice surge]

What does ilvl parses accomplish that arent already accomplished by the regular parses?

[tight fox]

you're taking a comment and creating a thread out of it xD

[tight fox]

a basic indicator if you dont have ilv

[spice surge]

Indicator of what

[shrewd night]

Probably just as basic of an indicator as a speedometer on a car being able to tell you what the max speed of your car is.

Speedometer goes to 250, so thats the max speed

But, Ima leave it at that. Keep thinking ilevel parses are useful if thats your jam. See you next week for the scheduled "where bis list" talk when raid hits.

[tight fox]

if you need to reframe what was said as a coping mechanism then you do that

[shrewd night]

People see what they want to see.

[tight fox]

indeed

[night crag]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[slow needle]

Can we have it tomorrow as well? Kinda like a pre-game warm up routine. I need stuff to do.

[shrewd night]

Tomorrow? Seems a little bit early. We can go through why we love underrot as a dungeon instead

[uncut echo]

Fam if you keep cooking you'll burn the house down

[shrewd night]

I kow youll like htat one

[spice surge]

If youre nice we might even got some tonight, theres rumours about class tuning

[slow needle]

Don't do this to me. Don't build me up just to let Blizz smack me down.

[idle inlet]

Wouldn't Ilvl parses be useful to get a quick understanding of a players skill level recruiting wise. Cuz even with perfect gear for your ilvl you can still grey parse and even with terrible gear for your ilvl you can still get blues

[spice surge]

And you know how #assassination becomes when theres class tuning

[cold spoke]

its confirmed by me my dad works at blizzard

[uncut echo]

No

[slow needle]

Not even gonna check wowhead. Gonna tab in here at 20:00 and see if slow mode is on.

[shrewd night]

Its me, Im his dad

[uncut echo]

Because you can get good ilvl parses while fundamentally playing incorrectly

[cold spoke]

dad

[uncut echo]

I was missing 4% strength as aems and got 100s for ilvl

[slow needle]

Have you finished getting the milk yet?

[uncut echo]

I was fundamentally misplaying my cs windows

[slow needle]

I'm gonna either love or despise Underrot by week 3. Calling it now.

[shrewd night]

Why do you think Im hanging out with Tryan and Eleem here, designated milkmen for my part of town

[slow needle]

Getting those weapons.

[cold spoke]

he never came back we always communicate via discord

[uncut echo]

But I was also 10 ilvls below the avg

Ilvl parses are useless

[spice surge]

https://tenor.com/view/cow-cow-milk-milk-gif-22745903

[slow needle]

Its gonna be less of a thing than S3 SL or this season.

But early season ilvl parses are cursed.

Because of the disparity of who has sets.

[idle inlet]

Sorry not being argumentive just trying to understand but what do you mean 10 ilvl below average cuz if your measuring in ilvl then wouldn't you be the same ilvl as everyone else

[uncut echo]

I was 410 ilvl

[earnest remnant]

thats not really how ilvl parsing works

[uncut echo]

Getting 100s for ilvl

Because at 410 I was blasting

But I was misplaying

Where at 418+ I'd be blue

[grim jay]

You can have wild swings in dps on lower ilvls because having certain items at higher ilvls nets you a way bigger gain than others while still having the same overall GS. You can cheese ilvl parses aswell

[uncut echo]

Also if you were 410 with icon

Or 410 with boon in st

[idle inlet]

It sounds a lot like your damage is much more dependent on good gear rather than skill

[vital steeple]

It's both

[idle inlet]

How can it be both if you can 100 parse while playing fundamentally wrong

[gray crest]

cause other people can suck

[vital steeple]

Ilvl parses are for copium players who raid log sometimes

They're the ones who are still 407 coming to your mythic raids

[idle inlet]

Other people don't affect how good you are

[uncut echo]

Skill shines when everyone else has gear

[uncut echo]

People below the ilvl median tend to blow ass

[earnest remnant]

there is ofc always a decent amount of RNG involved when it comes to parsing

[spice surge]

Its also dependant on fights, a lot of people will be able to do well on terros but might struggle on a fight with more intensive mechanics

[gray crest]

you missed the point. you are comparing yourself to other people to see how good of a player you are. if everyone plays like they are playing with their feet and youre playing with your hands you are going to look like a god compared to them

good is a relative term

[earnest remnant]

or some people might get good parses on something like Broodkeeper, council etc but struggle more on Terros cuz they got no idea how to actually minmax single target, but can only AoE
(not me being salty at all xD)

[idle inlet]

I understand that parsing is a relative measurement but there aren't many objective ways to measure yourself in wow. That being said skill is objective not relative. The worst liquid player is still a god

[spice surge]

true stealthi

[storm belfry]

Are they tho

[idle inlet]

I mean world 2nd is pretty good

[uncut echo]

Yeah, cyon they are

Lmao

[storm belfry]

Idk. Are they world 2nd w their ilvl parse?

[uncut echo]

Cyon no rude

[earnest remnant]

you can find people that are better at the classes than what some of them are, but it takes a certain player to keep playing at the standard they do for that amount of time a day

which

[storm belfry]

My bad

[earnest remnant]

is honestly more impressive

than anything else they do

[uncut echo]

We learn people with love and kindness

[storm belfry]

ilvl parse means nothing. Always weird when this is an argument

[uncut echo]

Not sass

[storm belfry]

I just woke up

[uncut echo]

Some people don't know that

[storm belfry]

I have been reading

[earnest remnant]

i choose anger and hostility fuck you

[uncut echo]

When and where cutie?

[idle inlet]

I like a good debate

[earnest remnant]

anyday of the week

[gray crest]

https://tenor.com/view/dont-sass-me-just-listen-i-know-gif-25748230

[earnest remnant]

ive got some pent up anger

[uncut echo]

I mean idk if this is a debate

[uncut echo]

Take it out on me

[storm belfry]

[spice surge]

Bro fully concentrated raiding for 12 hours a day would be so fucking rough

[earnest remnant]

my foot is still broken, so i cant do my Karate training

i need to hit something

[spice surge]

Ive played keys for like 8 hours and im completely depleted afterwards

Cant imagine raiding 12 hours a day for a week straight

[earnest remnant]

yeah its honestly way more impressive than their skills on the classes they play

[gray crest]

or 3 weeks... laughs in SoTFO

[idle inlet]

My take away from this is that you cannot under any circumstances use dps as a measurement of skill

[earnest remnant]

play for that amount of time while keeping the standard up and not get tilted out the WAZOOOO

[spice surge]

Although being at a lan with all the boys (and gals) would be so sick

Idk if i'd go to växsjö for it though like echo is doing

Cursed town

[earnest remnant]

true

id honestly insta take it if my guild did like first week lan for a few people to show up and raid in lan week 1

sounds like fun

[deft flicker]

You can use dps as part of the analysis (but not as a standalone skill bar)

[uncut echo]

Keeping spirits high helps the standard

Their streams are always so goofy and fun

[earnest remnant]

very much does

[spice surge]

GUZZLE

[earnest remnant]

its BiS when the raid is playing well and everybody is having fun and cracking jokes

we had a laugh meltdown last week

on broodkeeper

which turned into a soundboard clip on our disc

[spice surge]

Soundboard in the raid channel?

[earnest remnant]

ofc

we do the funny

[spice surge]

That shit got insta purged from our raid channel, people cant behave

One of our officer still tosses one in just for the hell of it sometimes, because you cant prevent admins from using it

[spice spire]

I’m gonna get meowed at

[pure moth]

muted the soundboard all around lol

[spice spire]

[earnest remnant]

meow

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/knock-knock-raccoon-trashpanda-hello-trashcan-gif-19328568

[earnest remnant]

we have a fake Pulltimer soundclip

that gets used alot to trick people

[spice surge]

The readycheck soundclip

is also cursed

[pure moth]

how many early pulls?

[earnest remnant]

we had like 4 in one night

[spice surge]

We also have some clips of our raid leader doing raid calls

[royal lantern]

pls tell me "stack on me" is one

and people just do it

[spice surge]

No but there is a "Everybody go to purple", and either somebody placed a purple marker somewhere really sus

Or people ask "where tf is purple"

[earnest remnant]

we have alot of sus ones

[spice spire]

[shrewd night]

We started off raz prog with our rl refusing to put blue marker on blue and red on red. Instead it was blue on red and vice versa

[uncut echo]

Calling you rq

[spice spire]

Blocked

[uncut echo]

?

I have the stankiest meow

[spice spire]

[shrewd night]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-gif-18393029

[spice spire]

You ain’t ever heard the Willshattner 30s meow

[uncut echo]

And you haven't heard mine.

[royal lantern]

yo, can somone link me the shity and totally accurate dps numbers we have rn

[spice spire]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[spice spire]

Gotchu

[spice spire]

https://tenor.com/view/blocked-message-discord-gif-23992737

[ember mural]

[royal lantern]

thanks quake

[earnest remnant]

im gonna find my msg to you and send it to you every day when i wake up

[ember mural]

Can't believev I don't get to raid with willshattner the goat

[spice surge]

Im sure that led to no misunderstandings at all

[spice spire]

[uncut echo]

I just checked not blocked pog

[earnest remnant]

we had a 20 min discussion about left and right on it

[spice spire]

You can also just react to a post I do

If you’re blocked it won’t let you

[uncut echo]

Ye but

Dming you a good pic is better

[spice spire]

[gray crest]

Are we sending Quake meows directly now?

[storm belfry]

[uncut echo]

Nah I sent him this

[gray crest]

oh man

i wanted to send him this

https://tenor.com/view/cat-meow-big-lips-gif-13233291

giving credit to oxi for this one

[spice spire]

[storm belfry]

[cold spoke]

[thorn fjord]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/929807268994744340/1089039962525159434/big_boobs.gif

[sweet dawn]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[tardy basin]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[tardy basin]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[idle inlet]

Wow kb is only down 2%?

[thorn fjord]

Think you downloaded the wrong version of avatar

[versed mica]

Shit no wonder the graphics seemed off

[pseudo hamlet]

Will there be any fight in 10.1 where Assa actually could shine? Some kind of shield(or other) that requires burst?
I mean, considering the 4PC bonus + KB+Sepsis+Double Shiv, Assa would really do high damage in a short time.

I'm just trying to understand Blizzard's thinking(why did they buff KB in the first place, when DTB is just better in almost every scenario possible and come up with such an idea with this 4PC bonus).

[rocky ruin]

the dragon is a simple Patchwerk, boss after, experiement kinda cleave idk, Assault no, rashok, zskarn maybe, magmorax again single, echo kinda 3 phase but last phase could sub shine bc funnel and so

in simple word just wait till next week

[turbid heath]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[spice surge]

Fwiw sub does more damage doing pure singletarget than "funneling" nowadays with the raid build

[gusty mirage]

You had me until the end homie

[spice surge]

And with the m+ builds assa actually has better funnel than sub does

[cunning nest]

I think the short answer is no, because sin doesn't even shine on 2-3 targets as we're used to. The only thing that comes in handy for us is our execute I think. But I'm not deep enough into the guides to tell if that will benefit us. Also, if the overall dmg is mediocre, even that is pretty much useless.

I think blizz buffed it (KB) to make it better and 'listen to the community'. The fact that it's still undertuned is definitly their intention imo. KB makes aoe even worse for us in st setup and I guess it's another CD for a quite cd-overbloated spec. So they want DTB to stay for now

But that's just my thoughts

[pseudo hamlet]

Haha, what do you mean?

[gusty mirage]

Ya lost me with Sepsis

[earnest remnant]

lost me at burst

[velvet ridge]

Oh is crit > vers our new general guide line? Nice lines up with outlaw

[pseudo hamlet]

They should just reintroduce Septic Shock

[spice surge]

Assa has decent burst though, not demo or unholy burst, but decent

[gusty mirage]

No

We’re crit > mastery = haste

Where are people seeing crit > vers

[spice surge]

Atleast way better burst than the other rogue specs

[earnest remnant]

is it?

trinket stonks

[spice surge]

Trinket should be stonks on assa too though

[velvet ridge]

I saw it in the fuu! Guide

[earnest remnant]

assa peaks 3k higher than sub

in that sim

[gusty mirage]

@vestal wren can you please put a disclaimer on your sheet for assassination

[pseudo hamlet]

Damn, I even think that they should reintroduce some of the torghast/soulbinds powers as talents.
Sudden Fractures and Sepsis spreading on more targets were cool

[spice surge]

But ye my bad guess trinket stonks too hard for sub

[earnest remnant]

looks like he just havent even gotten to that part for assa yet

no sim linked for it

[gusty mirage]

Then why is it there

[earnest remnant]

just text for now

i think he just copied over sub

[gusty mirage]

None of these are valid reasons

[earnest remnant]

wdym?

he just shifted over the segment from sub

then he is gonna do sims

and change it to the correct values

[gusty mirage]

What do you mean what do I mean

[shrewd night]

If he hasnt worked over assa yet, having shit there that can be misconstrued as legitimate information is not good.

[gusty mirage]

It’s been those values for the entire week

This is the third time I’ve had to address that question

Where people think it’s crit > vers to assassination

Because he copied over sub’s info

[earnest remnant]

i guess its just me, but it does state its a wip, but i guess yeah

[gusty mirage]

Yeah I guess it is just you

[shrewd night]

The sun is out Oxi, soak it up a little

[gusty mirage]

No I’m good

Thanks for the suggestion

[frigid pilot]

@balmy condor thoughts

[shrewd night]

What thoughts are there to have

[stuck knoll]

Those are some simulation craft sims

That’s my thoughts

[spice surge]

Yep you are the only one seeing the massive red text at the top saying its not done, and also seeing tons of #DIV/0! and errors across the page

[cerulean nest]

bro if I don't see some mf sims soon......

I'm going to continue to be patient and non-hostile as an adult

[stuck knoll]

You’re a role model for everyone

[visual prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/the-sims-sims-video-game-slap-fight-gif-5439122

[stuck knoll]

[drowsy nimbus]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[shrewd night]

The red text is only there in the light mode sheet

[gusty mirage]

Whispyr has them in his sheet

[shrewd night]

Light mode user

[spice surge]

Fuu is the light mode user

Not mee

[gray crest]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-blind-flashbang-light-mode-gif-21281004

[storm belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/spider-man-we-one-gif-18212100

[earnest remnant]

i understand where oxi is coming from as well, having to explain that when there is no reason to have to do that, but just thought people would have some patience with it guess, since he is going by it one by one and its just easier to copy them over and then change them when you get there but i do understand it from oxi's pov as well and it wouldnt have taken him long to just write a disclaimer above it guess

[gusty mirage]

Typing WIP or not and having excel sheet division errors doesn’t excuse keeping the other information the exact same when all it takes is pressing the shiny delete button your keyboard

[spice surge]

Ye i know

I just wish people could read

[gusty mirage]

It’s irresponsible to have the text still there when your goal is to spread information

[winged veldt]

Just let people play assa with crit/vers f it lol

Ok not a good idea I know lol

[shrewd night]

We have such good experience with people reading pins

[frigid pilot]

reading?

[storm belfry]

Tbh I think so many ppl don’t even know about pins

Or that there is a search chat function

[winged veldt]

^^

[storm belfry]

Half the time you can just search your question and find the answer

[thorn fjord]

Y'all can read?

tf

[frigid pilot]

why read many word when few word do trick

[earnest remnant]

when it comes to information integrity oxi is 100% right tho

[storm belfry]

Probs more than half the time. Like majority

When is oxi wrong

[shrewd night]

When he wanted to establish his home in the US instead of next to my apartment

[winged veldt]

Open assa cord, check pins, check if slowmode, read what everyone is saying. Steps to take when opening cord lol

[stuck knoll]

When he calls himself dumb

[storm belfry]

Besides yesterday not making me our friendship wallpaper thing

[shrewd night]

That too

[storm belfry]

[gusty mirage]

In about 2017 when I renewed my subscription to this terrible game

[shrewd night]

[gusty mirage]

Also in 2016 when I decided to go to law school

And in 2019 when I almost got married

[storm belfry]

Yeah law school seems like a trap

Full of money

[gusty mirage]

I’ve gotten plenty of Ls my friend

Almost all self inflicted

[storm belfry]

My homie was a lawyer for a long time. He recently quit to pursue another career

But he’s loaded now

[earnest remnant]

you started law school the year i graduated highschool i think

xD

[storm belfry]

Oxi how old are you

[shrewd night]

He started a career as a gun?

[storm belfry]

KKONA

[gusty mirage]

33

[storm belfry]

Oh okay. Older than me. Not by much

[stuck knoll]

[storm belfry]

Don’t let them bully you into retirement.

[storm belfry]

I actually forget what he’s doing now. But he was smart with his money he made as a lawyer. Also was single the whole time and no kid.

[turbid heath]

what gems do we need for the ring as Sin? 😄

[frigid pilot]

70% of warr bis gear is crafted

[frigid pilot]

gear doesnt matter when ur sim is 128k

just yolo it

#feelcraft

[winged veldt]

The game supposedly getting any tuning for classes before Tuesday?

[gusty mirage]

Im about to bully myself into retirement

[frigid pilot]

just pvp

[thorn fjord]

Thats the rumor

[gusty mirage]

Hopefully

[winged veldt]

I’m just over here afk af til Tuesday lol

[gusty mirage]

Did that, got to like 2250 and wanted to throw my computer out of the window

I could only fight Ret warrior so many times

Ya know

[frigid pilot]

bruh i had to heal

from 0 cr to 2700 on disc

[gusty mirage]

[frigid pilot]

to get glad

[winged veldt]

I@ on leave til the 29th with nothing to do lol

[frigid pilot]

cus i only bothered with the mount when they announced

healing s1 was BRUTAL

[gusty mirage]

Yeah I healed a bit in s1 SL for friends on undergeared alts

And idk how pvp healers do it

[thorn fjord]

They like the pain

[gusty mirage]

You go from “alright we’re chilling” to suddenly everyone’s dying

In 1 wings proc

[frigid pilot]

april 23 start of graph

[gusty mirage]

God bless

I refuse to heal in this game

Too many stupid people doing stupid things

[earnest remnant]

i think you and i would be a perfect arena comp

alot of malding

and yelling xD

[gusty mirage]

Like @spice spire using cold snap in a dungeon for fucking ice barrier

[earnest remnant]

lmfao

[thorn fjord]

Did he die tho?

[gusty mirage]

Bro

[earnest remnant]

thats a certified

[gusty mirage]

Of course he died my 204 ilvl hpal was the highest ilvl in the tyran mists we did

[thorn fjord]

rip lol

[frigid pilot]

bruh

unironically, whole team dying

[gusty mirage]

For some reason we rolled up with an average ilvl of like 190 to a 17 tyrannical mists of tierna fucks

[frigid pilot]

im yellin at ret to sanc my stun

hes like

IM BURSTING

I CANT

[gusty mirage]

Melee brains gonna melee

[thorn fjord]

Is rogue/hpal a decent 2's comp?

[gusty mirage]

Ye it’s aight

[frigid pilot]

2s is dead, if u wanna cap play shuffle

[thorn fjord]

Gonna be trying that with a guildy this season

[frigid pilot]

blizzcon champs at 1600

[spice spire]

Healer issue tbh

[gusty mirage]

[earnest remnant]

id be a hella toxic healer

[gusty mirage]

It wasn’t the fact that I was doing as much damage as our third dps?

[earnest remnant]

you stand in shit

thats suddenly a YOU issue

[gusty mirage]

[earnest remnant]

aint healing

[gusty mirage]

You train the apes through pain

[earnest remnant]

until i see hp pot on cd

[gusty mirage]

Bruv in bfa I had a guy literally afk in 2 sanguine puddles

Then start screaming at me when he came back

Cause he was dead

[thorn fjord]

Ape together strong

[gusty mirage]

Then he kept asking me for a brez

On my hpal

Guess what class he played

I’ll give you 3 guesses

[deft flicker]

Shaman

[gusty mirage]

Remember this was bfa

[thorn fjord]

Lock

[frigid pilot]

bruh im a 3250 exp mage and couldnt find any1 to q with cus they dont wanna touch any1 50 cr or less than them

literally had to heal cus ego lfg andies

[gusty mirage]

Think closely of the m+ melee meta

[frigid pilot]

same as IO fiends

mufukas be 2800 io if ur 2740 theyre like lets wait for a 3k person

:Lkek

[gusty mirage]

I have a friend who complains about never queuing but he notoriously sits on CR for weeks

People ask him

[frigid pilot]

he a bitch a$$

[gusty mirage]

“Nah I don’t feel like it”

[earnest remnant]

outlul

[gusty mirage]

I wish

He was a DH

[earnest remnant]

ah

[gusty mirage]

With the most racist name ever to top it off

[frigid pilot]

i find the ppl who never get hiugh rating r the ones notoriously paranoid about losing cr

[deft flicker]

Jeff??

[gusty mirage]

Yes

[deft flicker]

[thorn fjord]

Woah man you cant say that in disc chat

[frigid pilot]

cdew crying for 4 moinths about kidneyshot being op so they nerfed rogue buffed ret

[gusty mirage]

Good thing this isn’t the priest discord then idiot

Got em

[frigid pilot]

and RMP became obsolete

[gusty mirage]

I always laughed at cdew’s crying

[thorn fjord]

it'll make its return... it always does

[frigid pilot]

he never cried when WW frost dk was broken

[gusty mirage]

As if he didn’t have historically one of the best melee dps on the planet on his team

Acting like trill can’t play rogue

Problem is they sucked dick at anything not walking dead

[frigid pilot]

truuuuuuuuue

needed to abuse innervate bug to win blizzcon

[turbid heath]

128k lol? Mine is like 80k rip

[gusty mirage]

Yeah bis set up is 128k

Not looking particularly great

[earnest remnant]

just needs a like 12% buff to catch up to demo

[thorn fjord]

Spit in the bucket