So, not big enough for any loot council to give you until deep farm
#assassination
strange python
strange python
Rip enhancers
balmy condor
I wouldn't be surprised if that trinket just lost the agi
and it's just an int trinket
fringe spear
yep that's what I'm expecting
vestal wren
how strong is it on casters?
blazing jewel
would only lose bm/mm but I doubt its a big deal
vestal wren
caster trinkets in general could see adjustments
some seem a bit too good
(looking at wl sims)
blazing jewel
if the call to dominance trinket gets toned down the variance in dps specs will look so much better
whole mason
how strong is it on casters?
Bis for Mage I heard
grim jay
But mage so bad anyways, ask them 
blazing jewel
sin tier incoming 
strange python
what happened that sin is simming same as ww monk?
balmy condor
10.1
grim jay
10.1
One might say that its mindblowing
Completely unexpected
An occurence that shook the balance
royal lantern
is the Puzzlebox nerf allready in sims btw?
balmy condor
yes
thanks
steel ridge
i think you can abandon box now
steel ridge
then do it already
royal lantern
its 10am and im at work
steel ridge
then i will do it for you
steel ridge
i genuinely dislike the current exsang, hope they "tune" it
its already almost dead, isnt it?
slow tulip
0.8% diff is enough to make me not play it tbh
steel ridge
i didnt play it the entire tier and couldnt care less
slow tulip
does anyone know how much was the diff bewtween exsang and no exsang before the patch ? like 2% or less ?
thx in advance
balmy condor
Week 1 Updates
It's that time of the patch where hotfixes run rampant. I will try to update this.
<t:1683102720:R> Update 1: Embellishments now are not empowered by tier/vers via hotfix. This results in about a 1% loss. The BiS embellishment setup is now Shoulder + Patch. If you already crafted slimy, slimy + shoulders is about 0.5% worse on BiS setups. The best neck, wrist, offhand dagger and boots, are still crafted. Crit > Mast = Haste on these still holds true. Sims can't really tell a difference, so I would suggest Crit > Mast on your crafts.
Because of this, I would generally recommend sparks in this order:
- Dagger first, for mainhand
- This one is a big choice. I will list out the options you have:
- If you have a neck replacement, drop lariat for boots or shoulders depending on your tier situation
- If you have a helm tier, drop flaring cowl for boots or shoulders depending on your tier situation, and then enchant one of your weapons with the new Shadowflame Wreathe enchant. This will then proc your eranog ring.
- At this point shoulders should be crafted and tier should be gotten, get a patch on one of your crafted pieces and swap into shoulder + patch.
- The rest will go into crafting the remaining off pieces
steel ridge
imo exsang is baiting many average players into something that makes them perform worse, but to each their own i guess... i have seen people mess up the exsang windows in ways that hurt me physically
steel ridge
does anyone know how much was the diff bewtween exsang and no exsang before the ...
2.1% for me
balmy condor
its already almost dead, isnt it?
that's bait as fuck btw because while you drop exsang, you also drop cttc 
replace one hell with another
pog
now you can hit slice and dice every 30 seconds instead of exsang every 180
vestal wren
if you are patient, can wait and hope for dagger in vault
steel ridge
that's bait as fuck btw because while you drop exsang, you also drop cttc <:omeg...
yeah i noticed that cttc is missing, but you can just swap that improved poison thing over and be a chad again
balmy condor
yeah i noticed that cttc is missing, but you can just swap that improved poison ...
and you're back to -2%
huge
steel ridge
so be it
royal lantern
emb shoulder is with the failure chance right?
slow tulip
exsang just don't want to leave :/
balmy condor
emb shoulder is with the failure chance right?
steel ridge
emb shoulder is with the failure chance right?
sounds more like a proc to deal instant dmg instead
winter gale
Is anyone using threat plates?
vestal wren
emb shoulder is with the failure chance right?
yes 20% fail chance
sims account for it
royal lantern
kk o/
steel ridge
exsang just don't want to leave :/
do you feel like you cannot get Cutting Edge without those 2% sim dps?
balmy condor
embellishments have been in for a while
vestal wren
shoulders did get adjusted, the 20% fail chance is fairly new (2 days old or so)
royal lantern
do you feel like you cannot get Cutting Edge without those 2% sim dps?
funny, cus for the cutting edge fight, aka razageth, you didnt play exsang anyway
vestal wren
**Week 1 Updates**
It's that time of the patch where hotfixes run rampant. I wil...
btw. just fyi
!ts
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<t:1683103627:f>
slow tulip
do you feel like you cannot get Cutting Edge without those 2% sim dps?
i think its more of a mentality / mindset thing to want "the best" picks
vestal wren
you can use this to get a time stamp, <t:1683103627:R>
balmy condor
btw. just fyi
oh sick, thanks
balmy condor
yeh
vestal wren
i can change it to R default
steel ridge
funny, cus for the cutting edge fight, aka razageth, you didnt play exsang anywa...
where did you take that info from? Top100 Raz Logs have 84% Exsang
vestal wren
its just convinient, because you don't need to leave discord
nimble willow
Question. I've just picked up rogue after a while lurking on the edge of getting into it. I can feel myself falling into it pretty quickly, especially assassination.
Is there any YouTube content out there explaining the specs etc, kinda like Kalamzi for Warlock?
royal lantern
where did you take that info from? Top100 Raz Logs have 84% Exsang
this accursed channel 
nimble willow
Sad
balmy condor
youtube content is frankly a waste of time given how tuning and shit works
you release a video on monday
by wednesday it's misinformation
slow tulip
!sheet
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pseudo hamlet
Is it possible to move the combo points bar? I mean not with the character portrait but only the combo points bar? Or at least hide it?
nimble willow
youtube content is frankly a waste of time given how tuning and shit works
Sure, I get it
Plus YouTube is shit in general
Just wondering is all
steel ridge
i think its more of a mentality / mindset thing to want "the best" picks
yeah i feel you, but its liberating once you say fuck it and play what you play better.
near valley
Idk about YouTube being shit and all that
balmy condor
for wow it's def giga shit
slow tulip
yeah i feel you, but its liberating once you say fuck it and play what you play ...
word 🫶🏻
near valley
for wow it's def giga shit
I was speaking on the "in general" part
balmy condor
ah
vocal oracle
Is it possible to move the combo points bar? I mean not with the character portr...
I use nugcombo bar addon
pseudo hamlet
I use nugcombo bar addon
Yeah I am using it also, but have no idea how to move/hide the new combo bar 😮
hollow dirge
Yeah I am using it also, but have no idea how to move/hide the new combo bar 😮
think that's a bug. there was something like class resource display shit you can click off in interface
vocal oracle
Yeah I am using it also, but have no idea how to move/hide the new combo bar 😮
type /ncb gui
hollow dirge
he's talking about the combo bar under the character frame, in default ui if I got him right
vocal oracle
he's talking about the combo bar under the character frame, in default ui if I g...
ahh, my bad I use z-perl unit frames
open reef
Btw vers phial over elemental chaos is huge diffrence in dps?
royal lantern
chaos has higher spikes, but can low roll/just rng in general
vers is more dmg all the time
hollow dirge
difference is small, but reliability is nice, also, vers gives that dmg reduction, so that's kinda nice as well
open reef
K
royal lantern
wow players need to get that "X stat is not priority, so its bad" mindset out if their heads, every secondary is a gain, its just that some secondarys are slightly worse compared to the other options
spice surge
They were gonna buff the crit flask, but then they forgor 💀 to buff the effect and just changed the tooltip of it
royal lantern
They were gonna buff the crit flask, but then they forgor 💀 to buff the effect ...
would we use the crit flask when its buffed?
spice surge
100% of hp taken to proc the non-stat thing > 400% of hp taken is the tooltip change
Which would mean a lot more uptime, so probably
modest crest
I’m noticing a lot more damage same gear set prior to patch. Feels good.
limber lion
Crit flask already sims very slightly better for most profiles at 70% uptime as is, but that's without taking into account the damage you take from the flask or the dr you get from the vers flask.
It's all kinda within margin, so it kinda doesn't matter
balmy condor
not post changes it isn't
limber lion
Oh rip gg
royal lantern
now it's just doggers
doggers like, dogshit
or doggers as if it is awesome, cus dogs are great
balmy condor
What did they do to it?
so like you remember how a bunch of shit didn't count for the 100% hp taken
they buffed it to 400% randomly
and people assumed that they fixed the damage events
so it's like
consistent
limber lion
nuts
Blizzard has done it again
the QA special
Oh well, I'm sure they'll fix it soon
balmy condor
yeh except the 400% is written literally no where
and it wasn't on ptr either
so
no one really knows where it came from
or if it's intended
slim hamlet
imo exsang is baiting many average players into something that makes them perfor...
Dm into Exsang 
balmy condor
Dm into Exsang <:starege:923197272064426075>
wdym that's a dps increase now in dungeons
spice spire
Hate this
spice spire
spice spire
LOGIN
slim hamlet
wdym that's a dps increase now in dungeons
prisma monolithBOT
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royal lantern
drop cttc, pick up arterial precision
if you drop cttc, you wont see the pearly gates
viral spire
balmy condor
if you drop cttc, you wont see the pearly gates
aight well
viral spire
balmy condor
little less login
blazing jewel
Tier set nature damage amp on boon in aoe
balmy condor
not gonna keep up with new trinkets
at least I fucking hope not
maybe on like 25 mobs
or some stupid shit
viral spire
it pains me that nobody is able to sim for outlaw yet
are sin and sub tier sets solid now on simc?
royal lantern
yes
balmy condor
yes
viral spire
at least we got that, hopefully they will fix outlaw too
clever sapphire
maybe on like 25 mobs
assa new MDI spec? Pull everything into boss, let DM drop, boon and bam
balmy condor
at least we got that, hopefully they will fix outlaw too
outlaw is a buggy mess, which is why it's taking koji so long
blazing jewel
balmy condor
assa new MDI spec? Pull everything into boss, let DM drop, boon and bam
yeah cope buddy
royal lantern
assa new MDI spec? Pull everything into boss, let DM drop, boon and bam
you now almost do the same dmg of a destro lock that pressed rain of fire once 
spice spire
clever sapphire
you now almost do the same dmg of a destro lock that pressed rain of fire once <...
did you say dmg? im in
celest drift
What embelish is "Patch"?
dawn kelp
Toxic armor patch
spice spire
fierce sigil
Cause u were talking about Assa Rogue mdi specc 😂 Maybe my understanding was wrong Here. I thought sub and Outlaw still the m+ Go to speccs
balmy condor
yeah
they're memeing
cause tier buffs the dathea trinket
so they're being some silly lads about it
clever sapphire
Cause u were talking about Assa Rogue mdi specc 😂 Maybe my understanding was wr...
that was just a joke, no worries
fierce sigil
Ahhh WTF i am sorry 🙈
I would like Assa to be That strong because i love Assa 🙈 But if u Are Realistic… sub and Outlaw do have a better profile for the Content..
royal lantern
Cause u were talking about Assa Rogue mdi specc 😂 Maybe my understanding was wr...
you dont see the STONKS allready
dm->exsang->wait 9seconds->boon
shrewd night
clever sapphire
can you deathmark critters to get insta tierset proc? (there probably arent any critters in dungeons but i never checked)
balmy condor
yeah but that's a loss
clever sapphire
sadge
pseudo hamlet
Making players to actually use the one CD "wrong" by reducing the damage from another CD so in the end they could get more DPS.
That's totally 5head move from Blizz with the tier set bonus
cold spoke
is it wrong if its a dps gain 
clever sapphire
im pretty sure they just wanted rupture to do more dmg in raid and that was the best idea
subtle tundra
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pseudo hamlet
After all they could go with
4PC: Your Kingsbane damage is increased by 56% if you use it after Sepsis during the Shiv window. But only if it's full moon and one of your healers is a Priest with exactly the same ilvl as your.
pseudo hamlet
wtf is that
clever sapphire
theorie confirmed, boon still bis
balmy condor
dungeonslice
clever sapphire
time for assa in MDI
pseudo hamlet
I thought that beacon would totally outperform it
pseudo hamlet
After all they could go with
4PC: Your Kingsbane damage is increased by 56% if y...
Bonus:
||Your Exsanguinate cooldown is increased by 400% if the requirements aren't met.||
clever sapphire
Bonus:
||Your Exsanguinate cooldown is increased by 400% if the requirements are...
at this point just throw in that if you get PI it actually reduces your haste and increases the priests haste times 2
pseudo hamlet
at this point just throw in that if you get PI it actually reduces your haste an...
Assa first support spec!
clever sapphire
atleast you have a raid spot for sure this way
every priest spamming PI on you to boost their haste
xD
storm belfry
jaunty phoenix
i alrdy have slimy boots and the only other craft i can put a toxic patch is my shoulders. What to do with m spark?
royal lantern
is class trinket good for assa?
balmy condor
i alrdy have slimy boots and the only other craft i can put a toxic patch is my ...
pins
balmy condor
is class trinket good for assa?
it's in the sim ain't it
fringe spear
idk the names or the pictures of the trinkets yet!
pseudo hamlet
every priest spamming PI on you to boost their haste
balmy condor
idk the names or the pictures of the trinkets yet!
457's are the class trinkets
there's nothing at that ilvl
clever sapphire
you will never see an assa rogue again in the logs with PI xD
balmy condor
that's how I remember it
royal lantern
it's in the sim ain't it
man, idk how meme that sim is 
thought class trinket just sucks for rogue in general
balmy condor
man, idk how meme that sim is <:peepochrist:585733962274570253>
well, we're gonna find out
royal lantern
so like, its good only for aoe, or st aswell?
balmy condor
thought class trinket just sucks for rogue in general
it's neutral to bis in single target
royal lantern
"neutral to bis" is a wide range in my opinion
clever sapphire
do you think there is gonna be a world where they manage to make kingsbane an actual ST ability where we take it in raid but dtb in m+?
royal lantern
do you think there is gonna be a world where they manage to make kingsbane an ac...
if they buff it by 50% it would beat DtB in ST
and see no play in m+ cus dtb is also a aoe gain
true garden
what embellishment looks to be the best in m+?
clever sapphire
and see no play in m+ cus dtb is also a aoe gain
ye thats what would be fine in my head. DTB as an M+ talent and Kingsbane for pure ST
true garden
when these sims finish
thanks king
fringe oxide
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balmy condor
dungeonslice is a very slow sim
is what I'm learning
I mean I knew that
I've simmed enough dungeonslice for a lifetime
but it always impresses me
@royal lantern did you know it's actually fine
all you need to do, is get a max ilvl irideous fragment
royal lantern
<@346293680883236864> did you know it's actually fine
sooo, when it drops i can spamm that BiS button, gotcha
balmy condor
did you get it whispy?
nop
subtle tundra
sadge
clever sapphire
all you need to do, is get a max ilvl irideous fragment
phew, good cause i never got mythic boon xD
balmy condor
phew, good cause i never got mythic boon xD
yeh just get lucky on your vaults
and it's giga easy
now instead of never getting mythic boon
subtle tundra
thats what i did
balmy condor
No shot we use boon in 10.1
I have not seen one, all patch
which you probably knew
since I bitch about it
every fucking week
uncut echo
I know bestie I'm sorry.
clever sapphire
ah i meant it more like i wont have to sit with a 421 ilvl trinket, im not getting this either but atleast i wont have a 421 for the rest of the patch
subtle tundra
aaaaaaaaa what stones for aoe
balmy condor
pestilence instead of freezing ice
subtle tundra
ok
balmy condor
not in m+
subtle tundra
cool
clever sapphire
pestilence instead of freezing ice
wait not the shock thingy anymore?
subtle tundra
so only 1 ring
balmy condor
what
clever sapphire
wasnt M+ the schock gem
balmy condor
"the shock thingy" stunlocked me
clever sapphire
no idea what its called
balmy condor
but then varas came in with the upper cut on "only 1 ring"
and now I'm just lost in the sauce
clever sapphire
how to confuse whispyr 
gray crest
whispyr... how much did you sleep
subtle tundra
but then varas came in with the upper cut on "only 1 ring"
well i wanted a 2nd ring for aoe so i dont have to go to the island
to swap
deft flicker
It’s been 3 days… 
clever sapphire
but i meant that in the onyx ring i ran the twilight and blood stone and last one was the schock gem
winged kindle
Storm Infused?
subtle tundra
the choke ring
clever sapphire
ye that one
balmy condor
well i wanted a 2nd ring for aoe so i dont have to go to the island
oh, yeah, only 1 ring then
storm infuse bad
gray crest
its patch week so he has to stay up and run sims 24/7 and get asked a million questions he doesnt know the answer to yet
balmy condor
cause tier exists
winged kindle
So storm infused until 4p then pestilence
clever sapphire
god damn it, now i have to visit that god damned island again
me no like world content
balmy condor
hm
winged kindle
Just to clarify, is that for M+ or ST
balmy condor
maybe I missed the combo?
winged kindle
Ok thank you
balmy condor
3 and a half miles
balmy condor
winged kindle
I figured, just wanted to confirm
balmy condor
I don't think this has a storm infused gem as a combo
weirdge
aight
we go
again
blazing jewel
In your sim on the Fuu sheet is the echoing thunder stone being in intentional
clever sapphire
I don't think this has a storm infused gem as a combo
i shouldnt have trusted sub creation then, yikes
balmy condor
In your sim on the Fuu sheet is the echoing thunder stone being in intentional
aint my sim brother go ask fuu
blazing jewel
O I thought that was you
balmy condor
fuu's sheet is fuu's sheet
blazing jewel
Gotcha thought it was compiled
in sin we pray to Whispyr lord
blazing jewel
Not secret anymore 
drifting cosmos
I think the DM critter tech can have some use too, when no brain padding is needed, gotta front load dmg
need a toy can summon critter in keys
violet island
I updated my raider's survival guide with a lot of new information. You can check out #wow-general for a changelog and a link.
clever sapphire
new rextroy exploit incoming with assa rogue tierset and critters?
gusty mirage
Make you look like a bitch
Weird you did that before you ever met him?
balmy condor
I love boon
gusty mirage
Cause he’s already a bitch
balmy condor
boon is pog
uncut echo
Weird you did that before you ever met him?
😭
gusty mirage
balmy condor
boon is good
uncut echo
Gm oxi
blazing jewel
Boon tank prio
gusty mirage
we all use boon
You can’t make me
uncut echo
I'll boon and do 250k dps at prot
You'll ic and pray and hit 175
We are not the same
uncut echo
Yeah I plan on dying a lot
gray crest
Did juffjuff tank it though?
gusty mirage
Did juffjuff tank it though?
No
gray crest
oh no
gusty mirage
First pull was lit tho
I did 480k dps
Then it quickly went down hill
I tasted real aoe
desert inlet
at least you can step during boon
balmy condor
man
I love how dropping carnage for AP
is worse than dropping carnage for not taking AP
that's a really cool feature
clever sapphire
phew, good thing they gave us a cleave talent
balmy condor
yeah thank god
give it another shiv buff
and it might compete with shrouded suffocation
super cool talent blizzard
clever sapphire
i mean would you have been able to play council without AP?
balmy condor
really enjoy not getting to play it
clever sapphire
of course you wouldnt, blizzard is smart
now they will rework AP into a full ST talent since its a full ST raid
right?
clever sapphire
if you keep looking into the darkness, it may look back at you. There is hope that you will get a different sim one day
balmy condor
but it's honestly
so fucking cringe
that AP is closer in single target
than it is in dungeons
what kind of stupid tuning is that
like there's tuning that's just no good
clever sapphire
remove ap and sim same talents, probably wont change much in either ST nor dungeons
drifting cosmos
dev working on other spec
digital onyx
and then there's assassination capstones
Are those actual capstones tho 🤡
clever sapphire
change AP and exsang places, maybe you will see AP played a bit more xD
balmy condor
blazing jewel
Make shiv cleave bleeds on main target to nearby enemies and put it where carnage is 
balmy condor
bro carnage is one of the good capstones
don't take this away from me you piece of shit
uncut echo
Carnage is nuts as fuck
blazing jewel
Would that not basically be carnage on a short cd
clever sapphire
make it so rupture can give you a proc that guarantees a poison bomb proc no matter the points you spend
balmy condor
Would that not basically be carnage on a short cd
yeh well, AP was a good 2 set bonus in sepulcher and look what happened
they're gonna fuck it up
royal lantern
4 capstones
2unplayable and 1might aswell be "you do X% more dmg" 
storm belfry
gray crest
Carnage is nuts as fuck
Carnage is nice but it doesnt feel like a capstone talent, especially when other dot classes get something similar but better and also not a capstone talent
cold spoke
royal lantern
and thats why we got this tierset in S2
until you realise thar the s1 tierset interacts more with ic
cold spoke
really epic
royal lantern
uncut echo
I mean the 2 set is kind cool as fuck imho
clever sapphire
sub rupture gonna still do more dmg
storm belfry
I’m glad I got boon ig
gray crest
sounds like a skill issue imo
uncut echo
Ye idk
pseudo hamlet
I passed the boon to the monk because "well, I did the M+ for this season already and don't feel like I need more AoE dmg this patch"
unborn geode
reduce the 3 pt talents to 2 and give us 1 extra pt so you can have both
jaunty phoenix
what's the all the rave around boon?
gray crest
it do big dam
delicate smelt
assa worth it after patch?
jaunty phoenix
it do big dam
why?
unborn geode
if you can time the windows of boon its nice dmg. the primary issue is you can't move so if you are in a mobile fight and miss the window you can be killed
blazing jewel
I had one sleep deprived comment about boon working with tier set and you guys actually took it seriously
What situation would you ever have boon properly line up with 4p
clever sapphire
What situation would you ever have boon properly line up with 4p
where you dm a critter before a pull 
gray crest
<:Bedge:886311559616425994>
good night champ
rocky ruin
Do you need to make a new dagger or can you just increase your current ones
You can use your old one
verbal mantle
see you in 3-4 hours
balmy condor
You guys think I’m able to just crawl into bed
And sleep?
Like that?
Nah I’m around for a bit longer
gray crest
I thought the collective amount of sleep deprivation wouldve caught up with you
sonic schooner
gray crest
prolly fall asleep at the keyboard
balmy condor
I thought the collective amount of sleep deprivation wouldve caught up with you
You know, I always thought that too
But then I just like
Don’t sleep
drifting cloud
5min naps between sims
blazing jewel
Going to close his eyes and see the raidbots sim completion % wheels spinning
balmy condor
Fun fact, when tier sims came out, I didn’t sleep that night, took a 2 hour nap, stayed up till 7am that day, and then woke up at 11:30
deft flicker
Your new pfp looks a lot more sleepy
clever sapphire
5min naps between sims
30 if its dslice
balmy condor
Real as fuck dude
Holy dslice takes forever
Could you imagine if droute was in any way reasonable
How long that shit would take
That’s a full nights sleep right there
balmy condor
Well yeah, that’s what I mean with “in any way reasonable”
0 variance sims are not reasonable
vestal wren
thats true
but you could just make a lot of routes
and then sim multiple and average them out
woudl in the end be dungeon slice
with more effort
balmy condor
Need a wa script to auto-export multiple droute sims with variance
So I can compare
God
I hate droute
vestal wren
maybe would make sense to just try to improve dslice
just to have a generalization, as i think it is atm doing that decently well
royal lantern
https://tenor.com/view/bingus-gif-18888188
heavy vessel
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blissful oyster
!sims
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thorn fjord
Lo and behold NS still not working Lolol
steel ridge
Lo and behold NS still not working Lolol
really?
vestal wren
possible, i can test later again
true garden
do the 4pc buff nature damage embellishment ?
spice spire
As of last night no
vestal wren
As of last night no
seemed not fixed in the morning too, but maybe it was hotfixed?
thorn fjord
We weren’t seeing the buff when stealthed or in dance
steel ridge
so theres no way i can get bottled essences now to craft some 421 toxic patch thingy?
steel ridge
not talking about new spark
thorn fjord
Think the old ones are donesoe
storm belfry
I think they said they are there for Alts or something until they are caught up
Somethign like that
steel ridge
thats what i thought aswell
storm belfry
But yeah they are done if you been playing
steel ridge
well, i got a total of 2 essences 😄
glossy galleon
so looks like shoulders are bis for st and boots are bis for aoe, which do you think would be better to start with if i care equally about raid and m+?
storm belfry
Idk I still like the overall of this new upgrade system but I think they added too many currencies to this
thorn fjord
Just a bit overwhelming week one but by next week you’ll be an expert @storm belfry
storm belfry
I think they could’ve kept valor. Added the named stages and still made it account wide upgrades. Maybe add 2 of those currencies for the H and M gear and just kept N and lower valor only
Like too much useless currencies
glossy galleon
i feel like, they could have literally jsut named stuff better, and it'd be fine
like
thorn fjord
It’s essentially what they did only changed the name
Yeah the naming convention is what’s weird imo
storm belfry
Yeah except they added like 6 diff currencies
glossy galleon
"lfr crest" and put a little lfr tag on the stuff that can be upgraded by the lfr crests or whatever
thorn fjord
Only 3 of them matter
glossy galleon
kinda crazy how much normal raid gear is going to matter too
storm belfry
Only 3 of them matter
Exactly
Could’ve kept the ones below “heroic” ilvl to just valor. And H and M with the crests
thorn fjord
Yeah
glossy galleon
everyone jsut gets infinity crests in like 3-5 weeks anyway so not like any of it will matter by then lol
only relevant for world first guilds
thorn fjord
To get caches for chances at crests
thorn fjord
Tusk rep fish on illidan are selling like hot cakes
glossy galleon
i love the dumb shit rwf guilds do, it gives me joy honestly
storm belfry
Tusk rep fish on illidan are selling like hot cakes
How much
wind condor
I thought parses from yesterday would show on the “All” section of voti:(
gusty mirage
You can get flightstones and crests from the rep reward bags
Like you used to be able to get primal chaos
It’s a small amount
Idk why anyone would degen that
Considering you get the same for doing a WQ lol
thorn fjord
Rwf tomfoolery
thorn fjord
🤷♂️
gusty mirage
All it would probably do is save you a bit of grinding next week
But like with m+ opening up
Seems kinda pointless
Because guarantee m+ is a better way of grinding it anyway
signal badger
Think it’s to stockpile crests since there is a weekly cap, so rwf degen for crests now means more options later for them but everyone else should be fine
gusty mirage
Yeah probably just to save them time grinding it next week
So they can do their splits and m+ runs
And not worry about capping the resource
proud basin
dont forget to the do the 5 heroic dungeons for the champion pc of gear
vocal basalt
Is that bugged still?
signal badger
Was it a bug?
mint kindle
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vocal basalt
Was it a bug?
People were gettings non spec items from it.
brazen zodiac
is it supposed to be giving next weeks raid items?
signal badger
People were gettings non spec items from it.
Oh that’s hilarious
signal badger
is it supposed to be giving next weeks raid items?
From my own experience it looked like world drops at a higher ilvl, and because it’s champ gear it could scale up to 437 using crests and flight stones
brazen zodiac
interesting
storm belfry
But they have a twitch campaign going right now lol
Yeah I got the hearthstone
Some ppl got lucky and got the mount and hearthstone at same time but then they fixed it lol
viscid spear
From my own experience it looked like world drops at a higher ilvl, and because ...
So it's worth it for my 416 to run them?
signal badger
I ran it at 421, but I’m a bit of a degen 🙂
flat kiln
How high can you upgrade it with this weeks crests. 424?
signal badger
Looks that way, the highest crest I’ve got so far is drake which is used to get champ gear up to the 4th level
Here’s a little chart
flat kiln
nice, thanks
viscid spear
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
This is a strange build
gusty mirage
i hate new content i hate new content i hate new content
then get your spark and call it ggs
subtle tundra
cap
gusty mirage
bruv
storm belfry
If you don’t have a quest pop up open up your adventure guide
Also idk if it’s true but you need to have finished previous campaign quest
storm belfry
Idk if that’s true or if it was coincidence with someone I know. Cause they also implemented a fix to it not starting for others
Open your adventure guide thing
Should be there
strange python
Some of my characters that did not finish the main campaign can't start the new stuff yet.
subtle tundra
i am not
doing
this
campaign shit
waiting for hotfix
and if it doesnt get hotfixed
fuck off im not getting anything
subtle tundra
i'd rather not play than do rep grinds
especially when they are as shit as these ones
cooking was fun for the first 2 times i did it
strange python
The renown campaign quests won't count towards that, or at least shouldn't count. I have a friend at like 6 renown and he was able to start the new content
brazen zodiac
the feast was also fun for the first 10 times. then no longer was fun :(
jade wadi
do we have to use the new spark to re-craft our current gear (like dagger) or do we just need the enchanted crest thing?
flint tusk
Ahh yes, complaining about having to do things while playing mmorpg 😂
rocky ruin
do we have to use the new spark to re-craft our current gear (like dagger) or do...
Yes
subtle tundra
Ahh yes, complaining about having to do things while playing mmorpg 😂
Happy to do them if they give anything useful
brazen zodiac
yeah the only things the rep gave were shitty start up gear + professions lol
subtle tundra
i tried to do professions and i hated every moment of it
brazen zodiac
i dont think there was a single reason to grind it unless u were doing professions
after yesterday i'm starting to hate the system ngl.
tired of rude ass fuckers getting tight their shit doesn't one tap
why can't i give my spark and crests to an npc and they hit craft or something why does it have to big this massive interaction
what profession did u try doing
gusty mirage
tired of rude ass fuckers getting tight their shit doesn't one tap
WHY DIDN'T YOU r5 MY DAGGER WEEK 1 WHEN NO ONE CAN WITHOUT INSPIRATION?
brazen zodiac
"WHY ARE YOU NOT ABLE TO GUARANTEE RANK 5 THIS 418 DAGGER W/ FLAVOR PACKET WEEK 3 W/ T1 MATS WHAT THE FUCK"
gusty mirage
I had 35% inspiration and he was looking for 36%+
I was like bruv
lmao
just trust me
and I hit it
and he was like YOOOOOOOOOO
then tipped me like 15k
brazen zodiac
just trust me i can some how proc rng
brazen zodiac
its really easy to tell if someones lying honestly
gusty mirage
just trust me i can some how proc rng
I mean I told him I'd do it for free
he tipped me cause I hit it
brazen zodiac
the inspiration wheel gives you 6% regardless, sometimes 5/7, depends on profession
gusty mirage
I was like if I hit it, tip whatever, if it I don't, spend your money on the dude with 40% inspiration
brazen zodiac
then there's typically 1% insp somewhere around the nodes
odd dew
I get what you mean but I thought how they did professions is cool, it doesnt matter much anymore but at the start was fun with people being THE guy that made certain gear on the server
novel flame
remembers me of the guy who reported me for scamming because I was advertising guaranteed R3 Epic Gems saying "it's impossible"
gusty mirage
one of my guildies got the lariat
and legit made a disgusting amount of gold
like he was making 2-3 million a day
it was gross
dawn kelp
yea i got a guildie who made 80m on lariats
brazen zodiac
yeah
dawn kelp
and that was meh effort just consistent at staying with it
gusty mirage
yep
just afk in valdrakken for a few hours
spamming trade
boom
millions of gold
brazen zodiac
very fun
gray crest
who got lariat?
gray crest
was it bobette? cause I thought he took a long ass time to get it
silk bane
egf > irl gf confirmed
all mine does is empty my wallet cuz she saw a new place to eat on tiktok
just kill me tbh
idle harness
Hello everyone, have a talent change for season 2?
brazen zodiac
all mine does is empty my wallet cuz she saw a new place to eat on tiktok
unlucky
homecooking > eating out 💃
halcyon zealot
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storm belfry
tired of rude ass fuckers getting tight their shit doesn't one tap
Lmao
gusty mirage
homecooking > eating out 💃
I like turtles
brazen zodiac
i like sleep
gusty mirage
@spice spire
spice spire
Boomers 
stiff geode
🤔 no exang build on that spreadsheet means we can be even more lazy with button pressing eh?
gusty mirage
sure, if you don't care about doing the most damage possible
brazen zodiac
lol
stiff geode
0.57% diff 😄
silk bane
sure, if you don't care about doing the most damage possible
u think he would be playing rogue right now if he cared about doing most damage possible? homies just vibing
gusty mirage
gusty mirage
did someone figure out how to take the flight path to mole land
or do you have to fly down every single time
because that's getting real fucking annoying
and its day 2
brazen zodiac
did someone figure out how to take the flight path to mole land
idk the only flight path i was able to find was one i had to unlock through a a quick quest
gray crest
KB in legion felt so awesome
gusty mirage
you know what else felt awesome in legion?
gray crest
sin in general was so good back then
gray crest
It was good, but not as good as WoD sub rogue
gray crest
youre older than me
gray crest
gray crest
brazen zodiac
sure he may go to sleep at 10 pm
brazen zodiac
but im sure he damn wakes up WELL RESTED and READY TO GO
dark token
anyone else get the giga week 1 lariat replacement
gray crest
but im sure he damn wakes up WELL RESTED and READY TO GO
I take an hour or two to fall asleep and my dog wakes me up at like 6 am so not really
gusty mirage
but im sure he damn wakes up WELL RESTED and READY TO GO
no one wakes up well rested and ready to go
gusty mirage
anyone else get the giga week 1 lariat replacement
I already have a 421 w/ a socket ready to go
dark token
why not 424
gusty mirage
also I'm confused why you can downgrade crests
because 424 necks weren't available last season
gusty mirage
yeah
dark token
xmog? idk
compact carbon
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dark token
korthia 3.0
gusty mirage
bro so much garbage in your bags
gusty mirage
I stopped doing forbidden reach because it just filled my bags
got my 2 rings to 424
dark token
ye
gusty mirage
and never went back
dark token
thats why i didnt do campaign and was so confused
silk bane
But cheating is wrong
exactly! also I heard egfs are only attracted to Nitro and My Nitro game too weak 
I wish I was oxi
violet jackal
what's this i hear about a world trinket at 411 outperforming 424 grieftorch?
gusty mirage
p sure that came from the DH discord
uncut echo
exactly! also I heard egfs are only attracted to Nitro and My Nitro game too wea...
Nah, egfs are people too
gusty mirage
exactly! also I heard egfs are only attracted to Nitro and My Nitro game too wea...
you do not want to be me
you're perfect the way you are
storm belfry
did someone figure out how to take the flight path to mole land
I know you can flight path out so I’m assuming you can flight path in
gusty mirage
I know you can flight path out so I’m assuming you can flight path in
wait how do you flightpath out
lmao am I just dumb
violet jackal
can you perform rogue things and infiltrade for me, thanks bud 
storm belfry
Showed like a mini map of it small right side of the big map
No it took me like 5 mins
I was like “ain’t no way man”
gusty mirage
gusty mirage
can you perform rogue things and infiltrade for me, thanks bud <:RHlove:87698053...
ya I can do a testeroo for you
silk bane
<a:aGibbonHug:759483141496504342>
storm belfry
I’m not home or I’d show a screenshot
storm belfry
anyone else get the giga week 1 lariat replacement
Where’d you get this one. The weekly?
storm belfry
I haven’t done it yet
gusty mirage
@violet jackal what's the item called again?
storm belfry
The box also gives gear
dark token
the necklace is high chance, 3/5 of my party got it
gusty mirage
actually lemme check my guild discord
storm belfry
Ppl been saying to get the box
dark token
what box
storm belfry
But shiddd if you got that neck
If it’s the same quest there’s a choice to pick a box or something else
violet jackal
<@154263556882169856> what's the item called again?
lol that's what i'm trying to find out i stockpiled all the trinkets in the zone and capped flightstones already
dark token
and looted the neck from the box
storm belfry
More useful than the crest
gusty mirage
lol that's what i'm trying to find out i stockpiled all the trinkets in the zone...
drogbar rocks
found it
storm belfry
Think the crest is just normal raid ilvl
dark token
whew managed to claim legendary staff from warlocks
gusty mirage
simming right meow
violet jackal
oh huge i figured it might it, I got the combo already
storm belfry
I don’t understand that reference and screenshot
storm belfry
Lmao ngl that cry pepe emote actually makes me feel sad each time I see it
gusty mirage
storm belfry
I be feeling bad for the guy
gusty mirage
yikers
storm belfry
What ilvl is pbox
gusty mirage
415
uncut echo
Puzzy b
gusty mirage
I bet one of the new trinkets at 411
have a shot against it
just not the drogbar ig
storm belfry
So I saw in the pins that we don’t go for slimy expulsion boots anymore huh
uncut echo
Slimy expulsion uwu
gusty mirage
yeah the change to embellishments kinda shat on that
flint tusk
pretty much why everyone who made the recommendation also recommends waiting until week 2 at the very least for stuff like this
i got burnt in season one from getting too excited then shit got changed.
storm belfry
Yeah I didn’t make em
I’m not making shit til next week
Gonna make that juicy 1h dagger
rain oyster
Never get too excited cause you’ll blow before it’s action time
storm belfry
Gonna just upgrade the one that has food embelli on it
gusty mirage
i got burnt in season one from getting too excited then shit got changed.
didn't you love that last minute buff to lariat?
wasn't that super cool?
thorn fjord
Why is probate such as fucking nightmare @gusty mirage
storm belfry
Like we only use it for ring until we lose ring?
thorn fjord
Being broke/poor in this country is a fucking nightmare
thorn fjord
<:exs_uwu:1045134404231634974>
Solo was saying it’s not that great
storm belfry
So it’s only to proc Eranog ring. Got it
When is the catalyst dropping again?
5 weeks?
thorn fjord
June 9
gusty mirage
Why is probate such as fucking nightmare <@192059095279337473>
how much time do you have
spice spire
Week 4 of raid
thorn fjord
@gusty mirage just had NY melon take my grandmas house from me and didn’t get a cent
I even dropped money into cleaning it out
Feelsbad
gusty mirage
idk what NY melon is
wind condor
Can toxic patch go on crafted dagger or is it strictly armor
gusty mirage
lives in america
gets fucked over by a bank
uh unless something's dif about it (which very may well be the case) it should be allowed on the dagger?
thorn fjord
Whatever time to farm rares to keep my mind off it
gusty mirage
Usable with: Dragon Isles recipes for most unembellished Epic leather and mail.
has to go on gear
pure moth
Can toxic patch go on crafted dagger or is it strictly armor
Strictly armor
dark token
put ur alch thing on the dagger 
white orchid
The patch would have to go on another piece of gear right? or can it be applied to the spore shoulders as well
tacit otter
The patch would have to go on another piece of gear right? or can it be applied ...
the first thing you said:)
white orchid
Got it just making sure lol.
flint tusk
didn't you love that last minute buff to lariat?
yup super duper xD
thorn fjord
What last minute buff
gusty mirage
when lariat went from meh
to giga bis
wdym what last minute buff
were your afk for the start of DF?
brazen zodiac
lol
spice spire
were your afk for the start of DF?
Nah but you were afk at the start of DN
gusty mirage
Nah but you were afk at the start of DN
nah
you thought that was sweat
buddy that was slobber
spice spire
gusty mirage
now stfu before I play the saxophone with you
thorn fjord
were your afk for the start of DF?
Oh I though let you meant with this patch lol
gusty mirage
naw fam
spice spire
Aight that was outta pocket
gusty mirage
last patch
spice spire
Lmfao
gusty mirage
when we all got jebaited
dawn kelp
RIP booties
gusty mirage
is what confirmed? the boots?
brazen zodiac
O.O
cold spoke
vers change
gusty mirage
that's indeed confirmed
cold spoke
very sadge
vestal wren
seems not that bad
gusty mirage
odd change tbh
cold spoke
seems not that bad
theyll buff to compensate for sure 
gusty mirage
if their goal is to make embellishments more important
cause I mean they nerfed lariat for that reason, no?
calm tendon
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gusty mirage
so other embellishments would be used?
then to turn around and nerf it like this is just... odd
cold spoke
youre working under false assumption they know what theyre doing
gusty mirage
silk bane
cause I mean they nerfed lariat for that reason, no?
i think they changed lariat to give other embelishments a chance to be played. similar to how the new tiesets were meant to make unused talents a chance.