okay i thought if we do the normal aoe opener rotation with the 4 piece in mind
our IC Rupture wouldn't get the bonus
#assassination
rocky ruin
balmy condor
Yeah no
Not how that works
The 4 piece is a buff on your character
It increases all nature damage you do
For that duration
Regardless of when you applied things
balmy condor
Beacon sims are done
Top gear beacon
What do you want to do
It’s a 2:30 cooldown
rocky ruin
Warlock is the way we know it you know it we are all know it
royal lantern
Warlock is the way we know it you know it we are all know it
*damage in a ethical way that doesnt involve going filthy ranged dps
need a shower, took the R word in my mouth
echo heath
Don't worry we will get buffed again, they care about us
rocky ruin
Don't worry we will get buffed again, they care about us
us?
royal lantern
Don't worry we will get buffed again, they care about us
3% dmg on rupture inc 
storm forum
What is beacon?
rocky ruin
What is beacon?
new badabum trinket
balmy condor
Big on use fuck you button that crits for 7 figures
vestal wren
What is beacon?
Beacon of the Beyond
storm forum
Wowee
vestal wren
it is a big nuke, similar to torch
royal lantern
What is beacon?
use it, big dmg
if crit, enjoy good parse
if no crit, blame rng for everything
balmy condor
Wowdb link
haughty flicker
It’s all the bad parts of grieftorch and whetstone combined into one trinket
It’s great
thorn fjord
So we go for spark today i imagine when vault opens?
storm forum
I can't wait to craft an embellished weapon on all my toons
balmy condor
I’m glad we have @brazen zodiac
rocky ruin
is he getting paid or doing for free with loot promises?
near valley
Y'all don't have free guild crafters?
rocky ruin
Y'all don't have free guild crafters?
ye ofc we have
storm forum
No matter how free they say it is, it's impossible for me not to put 420g 69s for every order.
near valley
near valley
No matter how free they say it is, it's impossible for me not to put 420g 69s fo...
Oh 4 sho I always tip big
rocky ruin
but what to me happen new server trans
a rogue was asking for weapon craft i told him just send it to
with no gold in mind still getting paid some strange ppl i must say
near valley
Even if its free
Giving no charge makes people wanna pay more
You kinda feel dirty if u dont
rocky ruin
i mean it was last week before ppl was asking how much always just send it bc doesnt want to get paid
slow tulip
any BiS items / sims sheet yet or ?
royal lantern
when you say "lets say 8k" there is a 50% chance you get no response anymore
vestal wren
any BiS items / sims sheet yet or ?
soon™️
royal lantern
tbf, i always tell people that t2 is enough cus you need procs anyway
but dont complain about t3 mats beeing used
tacit otter
at what time are the servers supposed to go up in na?^^
royal lantern
maxed out the resource tree, its free gold 
my record was 16re-crafts until a proc
41% chance btw, maxed out
41% is maximum you can get normaly
43% is when you use the consumable thingy
atleast for blacksmith
winter gale
Do we need to craft something today?
royal lantern
i mean, weapon is always the biggest upgrade
no matter the tuning
its like
first spark weapon->embelishments
and at the time you can make them, tuning for them is probs done
2weeks bettwen sparks and stuff
thats #2
#1 is fuck druids/warlocks
and #3 is never trust ingame tooltips
violet island
Plus going into mythic with a 447 weapon is going to be nice
royal lantern
Plus going into mythic with a 447 weapon is going to be nice
you wont
technically mythic is with raid release
violet island
I mean yeah, if you completely skip normal and heroic you won't
royal lantern
just that in reality, nobody except WFR people will do that in the first week
violet island
?
royal lantern
going mythic week1
violet island
Oh gotcha I was so confused lol
It sounded like you were disagreeing with me and then you agreed with me and then I was confused
rocky ruin
i mean getting 447 weapon is like 10 mythic bosses or 10m+ Dung
for that upgrade item
violet island
Getting a 447 is doing 5 timed 16 plusses
Pretty sure most people will be able to do that
royal lantern
i mean getting 447 weapon is like 10 mythic bosses or 10m+ Dung
more than 10m+ iirc
more like 12
placid ravine
So it'll be 5 and not 10?
violet island
No
rocky ruin
Getting a 447 is doing 5 timed 16 plusses
5 times? Are you sure?
violet island
You're confusing hitting cap with getting the necessary crests for a weapon
Cap is 13 timed keys
Weapon requires 4 crests which is 60 fragments
Each dungeon gives 12 fragments if timed
12 * 5 is 60
glossy galleon
so is bis embellishments just going to be slimy boots and toxic patch?
violet island
5 times? Are you sure?
Check out my guide or dratnos's video on it. He has a really nice spreadsheet that breaks it down
rocky ruin
im looking at the spreadsheet atm
glossy galleon
cries in no eranog ring of any kind
one time i did lfr for the giggles and 3 dropped and i still didnt get one
royal lantern
5 16s?
reminder that if possible, you want to do until you reach cap
and upgrade a bit random items overall
near valley
reminder that if possible, you want to do until you reach cap
good shout
royal lantern
cus when you upgrade a item once, uprading items in the same slot costs NO crests anymore
aka you got a shity vers/mastery neck in m+? still upgrade with crests, cus when you get a good one from heroic raid/other dungeons, you upgrade it for 0 crest costs
violet island
Yeah I didn't want to confuse The conversation here between farming to cap and farming for weapon
But I mean most people are going to do as many 17 pluses as possible for gear anyway
royal lantern
you literally only keep crests at the start for your weapon, after that you go wild with upgrading and just upgrade w/e dropped
violet island
Dratnos video on it is pretty excellent to be honest
violet island
you literally only keep crests at the start for your weapon, after that you go w...
Caveat being that you really should only upgrade 431 pieces or tier pieces
Or a giga trinket
spice surge
But also it doesnt matter much
Because at the absolute worst you only have to wait until next week
royal lantern
But also it doesnt matter much
nothing matters
heathdeath of the universe comes
we are all just space dust that fades away
nothing matters
violet island
It can delay you by up to 2 weeks total, depending on how many you waste
And also whether you're willing to farm 11 through 15s
But yes, after the first three or so weeks, it matters very little
Also flight stones can be limiting if you send a lot of low level upgrades
It's about 440 to go from 431 to 441, but it's about a thousand to go six upgrades on a champion level
And I think somebody said only like 60 drop from a key? So it can be annoying
burnt star
Week 1: cap your flightstone and keep all on use consumable givingnu flightstone
There. Fixed it for u
But of course. Upgrading a very low item to max will be very taxing.
That would only and should probly only be use on raid specific item.
violet island
Week 1: cap your flightstone and keep all on use consumable givingnu flightstone
That's exactly what I say in my guide 🙂
gusty mirage
That's exactly what I say in my guide 🙂
Can you post the link in #wow-general so I can pin it? 
violet island
Oh sure
gusty mirage
Thank you, for that and for writing and keeping up with the guide
You’re a wonderful human being and I appreciate you
violet island
I don't know what to say lol
Thank you
If you really want to thank me can you please mock @lethal saffron and @ashen warren for me
violet island
I posted it
burnt star
Yep nice guide 🙂
violet island
https://tenor.com/view/anger-management-jack-nicholson-yes-duh-nods-gif-5222702
I love the immediate enthusiasm
violet island
Np np. Like I keep saying though, definitely check out Dratnos feedback on normal
I'm going to add it to the document later today when I have time because most of it's very good advice
thorn fjord
Boots and shoulders
thorn fjord
Your 418 will upgrade to 421 with 10.1
winter gale
That one can be upgraded further, no need to craft new item?
thorn fjord
You won’t need to do anything 418 crafter gear will become 421 gear
Keep in mind that our BiS’s are changing tho
winter gale
And I should craft shoulders and boots today or should I wait?
thorn fjord
Pins have been updated to reflect
winter gale
Dunno is there a possibilty for things to change
thorn fjord
Maybe but for now I’m assuming it’s safe to replace you lariat at least
winter gale
Yeah
thorn fjord
Only problem is finding a neck to replace it with lmao… gonna have to dig through item restore
grand trail
assa have sims?
thorn fjord
Prob boots since shoulders is still tier
tacit otter
assa have sims?
i can only tell you what i saw earlier on whispyrs stream. you want st or dslice?
grand trail
thats pretty old pin for something whcih suppose to happen today
thorn fjord
I know whispyr was running sims last night
grand trail
well 120 cant be with tier set right
late surge
it says 128k on raidbots
tacit otter
well 120 cant be with tier set right
the things i saw earlier were 127 st, and around 131 in dslice
dawn kelp
We have to wait till next week to upgrade crafted gear to 447 right
upper trail
yessir
violet island
We have to wait till next week to upgrade crafted gear to 447 right
Yes, and you shouldn't waste Crest this week crafting one
Hold your crests and just craft a 447 next week
grand trail
thats pretty poor hopefully they tune you more than
dawn kelp
What crest can u even get this week
ebon notch
We had our melee meeting with viklund
Basically just telling him to bench us
Going to be a fun tier
ebon notch
"ah but you don't actually need an enhance cause you'll only play 2 melee!"
burnt latch
fury warrior looking alright for some reason on sims
idk what happened to them
swapped from SL apl to DF apl
haughty flicker
fury tier is very good
rocky ruin
fury warrior looking alright for some reason on sims
they had a bad t29
haughty flicker
so they might actually be decent in st this time around
rocky ruin
no it's better
pure vine
Ww feels good but st on it like tank dps 😦
burnt latch
Fury ST on sims atleast looking real good
we didnt really have that many warriors on testing so havent seen it myself
fading mason
Ww feels good but st on it like tank dps 😦
But it Has been like that since bfa
pure vine
But it Has been like that since bfa
I know 😦 I have been ww main since mop
pure vine
pure vine
That is true
thorn fjord
As they should
ebon notch
It's cause when they're strong they're too strong
ebon notch
They need to be redesigned a bit
pure vine
I just want carnage to be 30 sec cd for aoe.
gray crest
How many warlocks in a raid do you think are going to be in the rwf? I wouldn't be surprised if there's a whole group filled with just demo locks
thorn fjord
Should be interesting to see comps
steel ridge
3 most likely 😄
ebon notch
How many warlocks in a raid do you think are going to be in the rwf? I wouldn't ...
If it isn't nerfed they'll stack upwards of 10
Rwf does the most ridiculous shit
thorn fjord
10 locks will get em nerfed atleast. lolol
ebon notch
I mean maybe not
gray crest
Yeah but would they need it mid rwf
steel ridge
if they roll in there with 10 warlocks, they will hotfix the shit out of it
ebon notch
Seeing as they're so invested into them they might not nerf it
Cause it might hard fuck them over
haughty flicker
Yeah but would they need it mid rwf
didnt they do tuning during the first week this tier?
thorn fjord
Lets hope JPC gets benched so we see some buffs 😛
haughty flicker
i seem to remember people being mad about it
but i didnt pay too much attention at the start of this tier
gray crest
They did
pure vine
Trill will probably play enh sham lll lol
burnt star
They did. Remember exsang nerf was on raid release
haughty flicker
so yeah i wouldnt be surprised if they nerfed demo if its actually getting 10 stacked
i doubt it will be that much though
winter gale
So, with tierset numbers we are above 125k ST
brazen zodiac
💃
winter gale
And that is the average dps or lower end compared to other classes?
haughty flicker
do you really want to know
peak bobcat
Like bottom 5
gray crest
We are on the lower end
winter gale
It’s all still up in the air but I don’t care too much. Ill either play assa or get CE and rekills
On rekills*
spice surge
so yeah i wouldnt be surprised if they nerfed demo if its actually getting 10 st...
If there is something that you need damage on that doesnt exactly line it with their CDs demo is going to be fairly terrible. As demo does basically no damage outside of their cds
haughty flicker
i was responding to someone else saying they'll be stacked up to 10
i dont actually think they will be
gray crest
Gotta have some spriest in the raid to give them PI and do damage outside CDs
grim tangle
bye everyone I'm rerolling to balance druid :)
spice spire
Yellowd-tichondrius
burnt star
And that is the average dps or lower end compared to other classes?
Disclaimer: take this with a big grain of salt. But thats the chart on simulation craft
cobalt hemlock
fury really that good?
thorn adder
i thought they nerf fury into the dirt early on and arms was better now
cobalt hemlock
i though ret was supposed to be good its sitting there with us
thorn adder
ah
thorn fjord
Where’s OL lol
haughty flicker
outlaw tier is still cursed
thorn adder
i dont think it has sims yet
runic hinge
OL deleted
thorn adder
they are still simming last tier stuff i think
runic hinge
Sent to the shadow realm
haughty flicker
at this rate we'll have outlaw sims by 10.1.5 if we're lucky
pure moth
Where’s OL lol
Dead spec
brazen zodiac
lol
pure moth
Worth it
brazen zodiac
cobalt hemlock
those were definitely different that what i expected
thorn adder
idk BM was all boss damage last tier, and they got nerfed like 3 times in a row
vocal basalt
Honestly numbers dont look too bad
unreal coyote
any time shadow priest is good i know we have strayed farther from god
haughty flicker
its ok shadow priests hate every second they have to play their class
unreal coyote
they made their choice
unreal coyote
Disclaimer: take this with a big grain of salt. But thats the chart on simulatio...
where exactly did you find this?
royal lantern
its ok shadow priests hate every second they have to play their class
i mean, they can love it again for the next rework
just to hate it for the new rework 2months later
strange python
Honestly numbers dont look too bad
HUH
strange python
Not really
BM was at least highly dominant in the last half of vault
Sins done nothing but single target for quite awhile. Simming this poorly on ST while also coming out of a padfest of a tier is pretty bad
You could slap a 10% aura buff on sin and it still wouldn't be the strongest spec. That's a big miss.
haughty flicker
doesnt change the fact that it could indeed be worse
always gotta look on the bright side
strange python
That's some "charge your crystals in the moonlight" always positive energy
When shit sucks you should be realistic and say it sucks
thorn adder
we got a buff it was worse
strange python
Saying it could be worse implies it's not that bad.
vocal basalt
📣 NUMBERS DONT LOOK TOO BAD
strange python
I hate the always positive thing.
haughty flicker
saying it could be worse implies that its bad
strange python
I mean it does. That's what the phrase means.
haughty flicker
how does it ever imply its not bad
thorn adder
my man dooming bad this morning
gray crest
📣 NUMBERS DONT LOOK TOO BAD
I would like to know what you are smoking so I can forward it to the FBI
strange python
Not dooming to be realistic
haughty flicker
shirley
strange python
I'd expect no tuning until may 16
gray crest
After rwf
strange python
Idk if race will be one week
deft flicker
When shit sucks you should be realistic and say it sucks
It sucks, no denying that. But constantly thinking about bad thing you have little to no influence on makes it suck a lot more than it actually does
strange python
I think they'll do tuning after "heroic" week
strange python
It sucks, no denying that. But constantly thinking about bad thing you have litt...
And being realistic about the situation is better than just pretending things ain't shit
vocal basalt
I would like to know what you are smoking so I can forward it to the FBI
Its all the cheese
storm belfry
This is a special place
strange python
lets all collectively sandbag so we get buff for sure
thorn fjord
Think Liquid has a chance at winning this tier?
gray crest
We don't need to sandbag
strange python
No one's saying unsub or take anti depressants. But you can't look at those numbers and think this is fine. Or even think this isnt bad
storm belfry
Think Liquid has a chance at winning this tier?
Maybe if they do another strat other than keep face rolling boss til it’s dead
strange python
liquid has a better chance at winning than the csgo liquid team has at winning the major
haughty flicker
i mean liquid has a better chance of winning than any team not named echo
oak tangle
there is a delta of less than 10% if you look at that and think it's doom o'clock, you must live your life by very fine margins of what is acceptable
thorn adder
No one's saying unsub or take anti depressants. But you can't look at those numb...
no one said that
lmfao
strange python
Saying it's not that bad implies that
storm belfry
Name checks out
haughty flicker
lmao
strange python
Idk if it's just EU hours and got lost in translation, but that's what that idiom means.
signal badger
Sims don’t equal actual damage, we will be fine
strange python
^lol
thorn adder
Saying it's not that bad implies that
no one said its not that bad
strange python
surely theyll rework the 4set
storm belfry
Any slow moders
strange python
🔬
oak tangle
correct the warlock and hunters sims dont equal the warlock and hunter damage
brazen zodiac
:o
haughty flicker
5 min slow mode
the sin classic
strange python
The person I quoted literally said it could be worse. It could be worse is an idiom. Idioms have meaning. It means it's not that bad.
storm belfry
It’s not that bad
thorn adder
The person I quoted literally said it could be worse. It could be worse is an id...
you have to be off your rocker
brazen zodiac
that was a little confusing >.<
strange python
Okay this is just an English comprehension thing then got it.
haughty flicker
you are literally the only one having the issue
vocal basalt
Do you also need some cheese
thorn adder
all someone literally said was it could be worse and you lost your mind LMFAO
vocal basalt
I got u homie
oak tangle
yeah look, i dunno why there's so much semantics on the phrase "it could be worse" but like it sits at a solid, you broke your leg, but it could be worse you could have cancer
thorn fjord
Y'all arguing semantics lol
storm belfry
Needs a therapist
haughty flicker
oak tangle
bro im australian we are the definition of how that phrase works
strange python
"you said it's raining cats and dogs, but cats and dogs are not literally falling from the sky?"
gaunt moat
Disclaimer: take this with a big grain of salt. But thats the chart on simulatio...
Sin is a single target spec. or something. maybe just something.
noble leaf
We are one of the most survivable melee in a melee unfriendly tier so at least we have that going for us… huffs copium
strange python
well at least one should get a raid spot
not for our damage but
We won't bring a rogue for atrophic at current tuning.
Atrophic isn't valuable enough.
thorn fjord
You just gotta be cute
vocal basalt
Assassination needs the ffxiv ninja treatment
thorn fjord
Then you wont get benched
vocal basalt
They need to sit down and figure out what identity they want for the class
oak tangle
how many of y'all are in top 100 guilds
storm belfry
Ninja is a terrible class on XIV. Pls no
haughty flicker
sin channel is always good for entertainment
thorn adder
We won't bring a rogue for atrophic at current tuning.
whos we? DM me your logs
strange python
Sins identity has been single target for years.
earnest remnant
how many of y'all are in top 100 guilds
you can lower it even more, go down to top 25
oak tangle
because if you ain't you gonna still be destroying that sunday league level warlock in your raid
earnest remnant
before it matters
royal lantern
Ninja is a terrible class on XIV. Pls no
somone that gets it lol
thorn fjord
A wild stealthi appears
royal lantern
A wild stealthi appears
he is a trashpanda
brazen zodiac
bro im australian we are the definition of how that phrase works
HA
royal lantern
and spec channels are pure garbage
brazen zodiac
those spiders over there fight back i hear >.<
thorn fjord
I hang out here because if i stay in OT all day i become very unproductive lolol
haughty flicker
this is OT 2.0 so it checks out
storm belfry
I usually don’t leave this one except to tmog
unreal coyote
i pop into sub some times
but then you see shit like "buff black powder"
and make a swift exit
oak tangle
you guys will appreciate the 10% less dps for having cheat death when half your raid wipes sub 10% cause your ranged dps decided to greed a cast to hit their sim dps and nearly wiped you all
thorn fjord
Lol
haughty flicker
that is the benefit of playing rogue
royal lantern
but then you see shit like "buff black powder"
"they should give sub garrote and grappling hook, afterall they put shadowdance in the class tree"
a real take somone said there 🙂
strange python
i mean if everyone else dies and you live it doesnt really matter just because youre the last one standing
haughty flicker
you always get to look good by being the last one alive
unreal coyote
"they should give sub garrote and grappling hook, afterall they put shadowdance ...
yeah
shit like this
thorn fjord
you always get to look good by being the last one alive
I was the last DPS alive on our Raz prog kill
💪
royal lantern
and dont forget the good old"sub rupture doing almost 2x more base dmg than assa rupture is good, because its a finisher"
unreal coyote
and dont forget the good old"sub rupture doing almost 2x more base dmg than assa...
pls
my head
thorn fjord
Cmoooon its patch day guys
deft flicker
and dont forget the good old"sub rupture doing almost 2x more base dmg than assa...
Oh wow
gaunt moat
@burnt starwhere did you find that sims?
thorn fjord
Lets save the dooming for tomrrow
oak tangle
i mean if everyone else dies and you live it doesnt really matter just because y...
exactly my point, none of it matters, because most of us will be playing with a mix of amateurs who can't meet their spec sims in the slightest
thorn fjord
Thats me
storm belfry
Lets save the dooming for tomrrow
Next week*
thorn fjord
Im the amateur
unreal coyote
most of us will play with warlocks who slurp PIs and think theyre #1 big dik
or maybe just me
haughty flicker
exactly my point, none of it matters, because most of us will be playing with a ...
"im in this picture and i dont like it"
royal lantern
I was the last DPS alive on our Raz prog kill
lets be honest
last man standing progress kill with evasion is the biggest dopamin rush in this World
strange python
idk just going nothing matters etc etc if you arent top 3 w/e memes reductionist shit
thorn fjord
lets be honest
last man standing progress kill with evasion is the biggest dopa...
Bro i was a fucking hero LOL
strange python
when its kinda just venting frustrations about being an underperforming spec
royal lantern
had the same with raden during nyalotha
strange python
and not like the spec being underperforming doesnt also hurt those amateurs
Christ has the cope reached the point where people are back to "spec balance doesn't matter or have downstream impacts just be better" again
This is 9.0 all over again
oak tangle
the thing is we're underperforming ~10%
royal lantern
19nerds screaming at you for those last 0,2%
thorn fjord
This is 9.0 all over again
Nah i think we're just over complaining about shit we kinda cant control
storm belfry
“I just want to be meta”
strange python
19? playing with bunch of zoomers huh
royal lantern
and you just slam that mut key like crazy 
storm belfry
19? playing with bunch of zoomers huh
Re read that fam
strange python
not 19yo
storm belfry
Says nothing about age lol
strange python
storm belfry
I said be good
praying for slow mode.
strange python
That's weird.
thorn fjord
Habibi prayge is amazing LOL
strange python
There's like 9 people here.
spice spire
Tier was implemented this morning.
We’re still checking things (atm whispyr who spent 8 hours on DS) so nothing is finalized. It’s okay. We’ll get there
Promise
deft flicker
gloomy knoll
8 hours 
oak tangle
could be bonkers trinket damage which could be good / bad, depending on who you are
spice spire
8 hours <:monkaW:675691826505711626>
Yeah he’s uh.
Lit
thorn fjord
Yeah let Whispyr sleep
royal lantern
no
deft flicker
He’s online
haughty flicker
no sleep until sims are perfect
royal lantern
we cant let whisp get to powerfull
thorn adder
did whispyr hit lvl 200?
spice spire
I spent time with my fiancée who I haven’t seen in 2 weeks so why wouldn’t tier be implemented then 🙂
I’m just gonna help with some nonsensical stuff while he does the actual work 
dawn kelp
sub playing 2p2p thats a hard pass
strange python
That will get changed
oak tangle
i wish i could understand how to edit apl, but i have zero idea
gloomy knoll
It’s not hard it’s just boring
strange python
I'd put genuine money down on the bet that blizzard won't have classes running no 4set.
earnest remnant
sub playing 2p2p thats a hard pass
we dont
we do use the 4p
purely cuz of ilvl
dawn kelp
godbless brother
spice spire
Stealthi the chosen one
thorn adder
4pc for ilvl only is crazy
royal lantern
if sub would use 2p old set AND 2old rings, hard content would probably get problematic cus so much stamina is missing lol
oak tangle
i find it hard to doom, since i've been told we a) don't need lariat for another tier, b) don't need to run seal of diurna
spice spire
So B.
Is a kind of
You need a really good ring to replace
Just how good?! Idk, but soon
thorn fjord
450 ring no?
thorn adder
Is a kind of
S T O P
oak tangle
but it's better than the 460 ilvl i was shown
thorn adder
NO DOOM
thorn adder
oh your dooming my gloom rn
spice spire
I mean
signal badger
Does the seal of diurna ring being equal to 450 rings assume having a socket in it?
spice spire
You can get a decent ring to replace fairly with new system
storm belfry
That’s reality buckaroo
Buckaroo < Bucko
spice spire
Does the seal of diurna ring being equal to 450 rings assume having a socket in ...
Idk
oak tangle
that 450 being equal is also a comparison of old tier set and old apl so not necessarily accurate
thorn fjord
We've got a full week either way before the party really starts
gloomy knoll
450 is a haste ring highest sub can get is 447
thorn fjord
so safe to assume sims will improve as the week goes on
storm belfry
This week it’s campaign and bedge
slow tulip
someone having problems with WA addon ? like not loading at all ?
royal lantern
someone having problems with WA addon ? like not loading at all ?
welcome to a patchday my NA beta tester
oak tangle
i'm honestly going to jump ship to a higher ilvl ring because i care more for my health pool that equipping an older tier item and getting a fresh perspective of gear
thorn fjord
@oak tangle Glass Cannon tho
storm belfry
someone having problems with WA addon ? like not loading at all ?
Servers are up?
thorn fjord
No way servers are up lol
storm belfry
WA ppl made a post yesterday saying to back up your WTF folder
oak tangle
i'd straight up quit the game if they forced me to play seal , cowl, lariat for another tier
storm belfry
Servers are not up. So that must be a EU person
oak tangle
lariat was looking like the "tell me you are an expansion artifact item without telling me you are an expansion artifact item"
haughty flicker
nah thats annulet
thorn adder
severs wont be up until like 5 CST
oak tangle
i don't mind items like that existing, jut not the same one for all expansion. so lariat passing torch to annulet, and letting you open up 2 embellishments is good
storm belfry
Yeah that’s what I thought but comment above made me think they were up
royal lantern
nah thats annulet
that cloak will never get replaced unless it gets giga nerfed lol
grim tangle
I'm back boomkin was too complicated
grim tangle
I am very not smart
strange python
Minmaxing boomie can be slightly complex when cancelling starlord is part of the spec
oak tangle
press aoe button on single target, win
slow tulip
WA ppl made a post yesterday saying to back up your WTF folder
oo0f
storm belfry
Somethign you should do beofre every major patch anyway
storm belfry
Unsure cause I cannnot log in cause NA
storm belfry
I did see that WA had an update in curseforge or w/e
burnt star
Therr
gaunt moat
is it upated? cause the front page sim is different
burnt star
It is always updated
When u open it it fetch the latest
U see each of them getting fetch 1 by 1
burnt star
Thats with high lvl gear and trinket
Keep in mind. Outlaw and sub are also very item dependant
So big early spike
And no scaling
Also those sim take in account a caster trinket
strange python
Current plan is sub for prog and pray to God for sin fixes.
burnt star
That we likely wont get
And that bacon trinket
And apparantly someone in t.c realised Poison bomb is proccing the flowstone
pseudo hamlet
Did Blizzard nerf the tier set? I think that I saw some message before
burnt star
Everything is subject to change fixe. Hotfixe tuning. Lets just hope blizz tuning dont ignore us for a whole patch again
oak tangle
i'll say it again, anyone dooming over 10% less damage from a generalised sim which isn't even using updated APL needs to chill
agile fossil
just hope we oversim and we are actually doing less dmg than tanks so blizzard give a 30% dmg aura buff and call it a day
because they dont want to use any brain power on our class otherwise sin would have been fixed long ago
rocky ruin
Did Blizzard nerf the tier set? I think that I saw some message before
Ye and no Rupture got 40% instead 33% and CT god reduced from 33 to 20
spice spire
You mfs wild for that
strange python
10% behind is historically bad tuning.
deft flicker
just hope we oversim and we are actually doing less dmg than tanks so blizzard g...
Watch that 30% aura be spread across the entire season like 2-3% a week because
strange python
Ye and no Rupture got 40% instead 33% and CT god reduced from 33 to 20
I think there was a 4set nerf
strange python
Watch that 30% aura be spread across the entire season like 2-3% a week because
The Nathria redux?
pseudo hamlet
Ye and no Rupture got 40% instead 33% and CT god reduced from 33 to 20
I saw that, was wondering if there was some more fresh nerfs
unborn geode
what was the sim difference between running Lightweight Shiv over the 1 pt into Improved Poisons
uncut echo
what was the sim difference between running Lightweight Shiv over the 1 pt into ...
Dont
Thats the diff
oak tangle
idk why you think 10% is historically bad tuning, have you looked at the 10.0 tuning?
storm belfry
Trying to become meta just to get nerfed?
oak tangle
some specs were upwards of 30%
agile fossil
tuning looks good to me , warlock on top again for the 1000th time , perfectly balanced again 
grim tangle
double shiv is actually OP on rasz so you have 2 shivs for each shield in P2
uncut echo
idk why you think 10% is historically bad tuning, have you looked at the 10.0 tu...
Because they want to say dumb shit
oak tangle
someone has to be the top, someone has to be the bottom, all you can hope for is a tighter grouping than before and we honestly look to be getting it
gusty mirage
can yall stop fighting and love each other
uncut echo
MEMZ BASED
spice spire
can yall stop fighting and love each other
Us
uncut echo
Oxi who the fuck is fighting?
thorn fjord
Imagine all the people
gusty mirage
Oxi who the fuck is fighting?
us if you talk to me in that tone ever again
uncut echo
I am
agile fossil
warlocks has to be the top* , someone has to be bottom , but yeah , 10% is good enough for people to not look too much at comps
gusty mirage
I aint climbing
uncut echo
gusty mirage
sorry bruh
uncut echo
HAHAHAHAHAH
winged veldt
HAHAHAHAHA
strange python
10% is a big enough gap for it to have big downstream effects.
gusty mirage
that is a very good point
community perception is moved by percentages smaller than 10%
strange python
And even when it's not just community perception.
Everyone always resorts to "just be better" but that's 1.) Not reasonable, 2.) Plenty of people aren't just sitting around in guilds where they're the obvious best player
gusty mirage
that's how you get people sitting in queue for 2 hours for their +18 court of stars waiting for the perfect tank
because "bear druid sux lol"
strange python
If a raid leader has to decide to play four melee, you run enhance/warrior/dh/4th
gloomy knoll
community perception is moved by percentages smaller than 10%
Just like dudes and their wangs mfs crying over 1%
oak tangle
because "bear druid sux lol"
anecdotally, my experience with bear tanks was they join, they pull too much, die, and leave group of embarrassment
gusty mirage
If a raid leader has to decide to play four melee, you run enhance/warrior/dh/4t...
yeah
but the problem is lower ranked guilds trying to follow what the top 200 do
agile fossil
because "bear druid sux lol"
tanks and healers get a pass no matter the class
gusty mirage
like top 200 comp matters significantly more
strange python
You can say "just be better" but when we're this far behind fury, it's not exactly reasonable that you're just gonna be sitting in a guild as a 99% parsing rogue with a 60% parsing warrior
gusty mirage
because you're getting to the harder shit faster
gusty mirage
You can say "just be better" but when we're this far behind fury, it's not exact...
we get 9.0 all over again
strange python
That's my hope.
gusty mirage
I'll never forget my 99 on sludge and being 8th on the meters behind 3 boomkins green parsing
lol
gloomy knoll
25% aura buffs please
strange python
I just really can't with the "tuning is fine just play better" crowd
gloomy knoll
Yea if you’re good you’ll still be able to play a bad spec in 95% of guilds lol
oak tangle
I just really can't with the "tuning is fine just play better" crowd
have you seen a tier with better tuning
gusty mirage
Yea if you’re good you’ll still be able to play a bad spec in 95% of guilds lol
I was playing the good rogue spec at the time too
strange python
If you're a top 10 rogue competing against dogpiss warriors then fine. But most of us aren't sitting around being 3x better than our guild mates without looking to move up.
pseudo hamlet
I just really can't with the "tuning is fine just play better" crowd
"but you can respec lol?"
gusty mirage
like yeah this past tier was kinda depresso
gloomy knoll
I was sub for cn prog lol
gusty mirage
but people forgot how fucking bad 9.0 was bro
assassination was literally unplayable
proud basin
Just gotta worship RNG gods so you get the effect.
burnt star
We dont need to be #1 but. At least the 3 rogue spec shouldnt be at the bottom of the barrel. Is the point
gloomy knoll
It was so bad
thorn fjord
assassination was literally unplayable
By the time we got to sludge sin was decent again
burnt star
And when assa can only do s.t. thats just bad design
gloomy knoll
Even then we were mid as fuck yea lol
strange python
Outside of warlock/surv dominance sepulcher was much better balanced overall
gloomy knoll
I was begging my guild to not skip ads on whatever that soak blood beam boss was so I could funnel on sub 
strange python
They were enormous outliers but the spread was smaller after then.
oak tangle
we could at least wait until whispyr has cooked though, instead of even going off the sims with T29 apl
strange python
I was begging my guild to not skip ads on whatever that soak blood beam boss was...
Vectis?
haughty flicker
we're literally saying "x was better/worse" before the tier even starts lmao
gloomy knoll
Darkvein I think
strange python
Oh right
strange python
I'm not sure that "hopefully whispyr finds us 10k damage in his kitchen" is a more reasonable opinion than "good lord our spec needs help"
burnt star
we could at least wait until whispyr has cooked though, instead of even going of...
It is cooked. And the way things are. We arent gonna find a 10k gap in some niche apl change
gray crest
I remember having a healer DC every fucking pull on vectis
burnt star
Hes trying to find minor change as it is written in the pin
strange python
I call this toxic positivity.
oak tangle
the gap is 10% there is interplay with a trinket that we just realised buffs from our 40% tier bonus, we possibly will be swapping to a poison focussed talent build not the bleed one, these sims are off current ideas
weak plover
10k more than what #?
subtle tundra
As long as I don't play outlaw am happy 👍
gloomy knoll
I remember having a healer DC every fucking pull on vectis
Oof that’s awful I remember frost mage being fun that’s about it lol
gusty mirage
I'm not sure that "hopefully whispyr finds us 10k damage in his kitchen" is a mo...
he's hiding it next to his frozen eggs
coming to a microwave near you
strange python
Frozen eggs is the worst thing I've read today
thorn fjord
Does he microwave is sgetti too?
spice spire
10% brings us reasonably to #3 on the spot, but you’d also be amazed what you can find in interactions.
10k tho? 
gusty mirage
I wish I had the video to make it even worse
oak tangle
ok i ask this question then, is rogue being anything less than number one enough for you
agile fossil
rogue is 3 dps spec having not one of them in the top 5 feels bad
spice spire
Me personally? Man
strange python
10% brings us reasonably to #3 on the spot, but you’d also be amazed what you ca...
I think you're probably also dealing with people who just sat through an enormously pad/AoE tier as a spec that's really only done ST for a few years, and who feel like Aberrus should be our time to shine.
gray crest
ok i ask this question then, is rogue being anything less than number one enough...
Where did you get this from?
lyric cave
rogue is 3 dps spec having not one of them in the top 5 feels bad
sim out?
gloomy knoll
I love st tiers tbh
oak tangle
because 400k damage every 2.5 mins is 2600 dps
gusty mirage
strange python
ok i ask this question then, is rogue being anything less than number one enough...
No. Assassination should be top 3 in aberrus. But even still, being last isn't the same as "not first"
gloomy knoll
Padding on ads gets real fucking old real quick lol
Especially if you have competent guildies
thorn fjord
Sin was fine for most of SL tbh
gloomy knoll
just saying
royal lantern
Sin was fine for most of SL tbh
lets....forget the launch^^
spice spire
9.0 sin
gusty mirage
I don't speak gif so idk what that means
bro I don't think he even knows what that means
thorn fjord
lets....forget the launch^^
i did say most
gusty mirage
this man's been sleeping like 3 hours a night for the last 6 months
he's more fried than a bucket of KFC
weak plover
9.0 sin <:monkaW:675691826505711626>
9.0 sin didnt exist. They added it back into the game later on
spice spire
Am boomer
Not owed anything - idk - I’m pretty meh here. I think that we should get a little bit of tuning, but not being top is fine
spice spire
9.0 sin didnt exist. They added it back into the game later on
I was 1/14 week one 🙂
oak tangle
Where did you get this from?
just the discussion that we need to find 10k or it's not fine angle.
normal kite
9.0 sin <:monkaW:675691826505711626>
we repress those memories
gusty mirage
9.0 sin didnt exist. They added it back into the game later on
true
SL started in 9.0.5
strange python
That's fine if that's what you'd be happy with. I just think it's reasonable to get the first predominantly ST tier in ages and want sin to shine though
weak plover
I was 1/14 week one 🙂
I was new to game and wanted to play sin. Little did I know it was unplayable.
strange python
The flip side is - if aberrus isn't sins time to shine, when is?
royal lantern
I was new to game and wanted to play sin. Little did I know it was unplayable.
it was 1of the few times where a spec was REALLY unplayable lol
gusty mirage
I was new to game and wanted to play sin. Little did I know it was unplayable.
it's okay, I downloaded prepatch and wanted to play sin
little did I know it was unplayable
weak plover
Our time to shine was the first couple days of vault 😄
strange python
I also fundamentally hate the idea that cleave specs are topping ATM
gusty mirage
pre-9.0.5 rogue was actual misery
strange python
Even if we didn't get tuned we would have fallen off in vault as mythic got deeper
gusty mirage
Even if we didn't get tuned we would have fallen off in vault as mythic got deep...
yeah that was the confusing part of the balancing last tier
we got nerfed when we were legit best in the game
understandable
but then they buffed other specs beyond where we were
and I'm like
strange python
Even without any tuning sin would have fallen off
spice spire
The flip side is - if aberrus isn't sins time to shine, when is?
Whenever tuning allows. It’s like always there - again not saying it is in a good spot. I’d advocate for some buffs, and some lock nerfs, but I’d definitely not say that “this is our time to shine”
Brethren we scale
Wdym
strange python
Dathea, kurog, brood, raz are not st
gusty mirage
like had those buffs not happened, the nerfs would be easier to stomach
royal lantern
but then they buffed other specs beyond where we were
90k sims are to much, nerf
lets buff warlock and bm in the same Patch to reach 100k
spice spire
90k sims are to much, nerf
lets buff warlock and bm in the same Patch to reach ...
Technically different patch
normal kite
Whenever tuning allows. It’s like always there - again not saying it is in a goo...
we collectively agreed that we're supposed to go into the raid with no enchants and embellishments right?
gusty mirage
yeah that's my only gripe with 10.0
strange python
Brethren we scale
I didn't mean scaling. I meant the back half of vault was not build for a sin damage profile.
royal lantern
Technically different patch
technically you should gobble on dn
gusty mirage
but the buffs others got after, no sir
viscid spear
you're forgetting frost mage my friend
spice spire
we collectively agreed that we're supposed to go into the raid with no enchants ...
do not play well on Terros this week brethren
weak plover
Is flamewreath even simable?
gusty mirage
you can't tell me 95-96k is too "strong"
weak plover
mimiron wont load it for me
gusty mirage
and then buff 5 specs to do over 100k
lmao
that's not an acceptable premise to me
thorn fjord
I'm gonna play sin tonight for reclear fuggit
spice spire
No it wasn’t
spice spire
That’s the only complaint I had for months
gusty mirage
collect crests or whatever the fuck those things are
strange python
Flightstones
gusty mirage
those things
royal lantern
that's not an acceptable premise to me
ye, the entire situation was so weird
like, most people thought the nerfs where reasonable, the tier started with all3 rogue specs beeing in the top4 lol
and then they nerfed
and it was ok
odd prism
dh or enha? cant decide
royal lantern
and then they made really weird choices with buffing littearly EVERYTHING
like....what?
strange python
dh or enha? cant decide
For fotm? Or playstyle?
viscid spear
collect crests or whatever the fuck those things are
2k per character 
odd prism
well fotm ofc
gusty mirage
2k per character <:CatChest:1082969567585914942>
you have more than 1 character?
strange python
Enhance has been absurdly strong for three tiers in a row. DH has been meh.
royal lantern
and btw, i still didnt understand why assa was nerfed harder than sub and outlaw back then, when it was allready the weakest of the 3 specs back then lol
viscid spear
you have more than 1 character?
I have multiple personalities
strange python
DK gonna get buffs before us, watch.
feral mason
Enhance strong in SL?
viscid spear
Oh you mean WoW
feral mason
gusty mirage
I have multiple personalities <:CatChest:1082969567585914942>
which one of you has multiples?
strange python
Enhance was incredibly strong in sepulcher.
junior aurora
and btw, i still didnt understand why assa was nerfed harder than sub and outlaw...
was doing the most damage at that point on the fights that were cleared
gusty mirage
enhance was also strong because it buffed arms the rest of SL
viscid spear
which one of you has multiples?
One of my personas has multiple restraining orders
gusty mirage
lmao
junior aurora
they just nerfed it harder bc it was the rogue spec at the top instead of the ones at 2 and 3 lol
royal lantern
enhance was also strong because it buffed arms the rest of SL
biggest enh buff in SL: arms warrior beeing meta
gusty mirage
wft was some absurd number for arms warrior
royal lantern
strange python
wft was some absurd number for arms warrior
9% Nathria, 11% sanctum
junior aurora
wft pretty insane for sub too
gusty mirage
actual insanity
feral mason
Who plays raid though, 1v1 trashtalking in valdrakken is the real content
Enh not meta in that
odd prism
@burnt latch are u playing dh
viscid spear
Enh Shaman? You mean the talking WF totem?
gusty mirage
true true
gray crest
Mages had a couple 20% legos
strange python
I still remember akaaris getting nerfed from 12% to 3% because "we want legendaries to be around 5% in value" and just ignoring boats.
gray crest
Hehe xd
junior aurora
unfortunately made fire mage play like ass when they discovered that leggo
and it still plays like ass bc of it
thorn fjord
Thank god though because Akaaris was lame anyway
royal lantern
the best thing that happend in SL: everyone hates boomkins now, cus holy shit boomkins during the first 2 tiers where the biggest fuckheads in the world, and everyone clowns on them now
royal lantern
good riddance, fuck boomkins
strange python
Fire mage has played like ass since ignite became what it is.
junior aurora
yeah lets go back to classic fire mage ignites 😒
brazen zodiac
oxi cx
uncut echo
It's c:
gray crest
Idk why blizz decides to redo the entire core mechanic of a spec solely because borrowed power systems blew it out of the water
gusty mirage
oh
uncut echo
With x eyes
brazen zodiac
its c:
brazen zodiac
or cx for extra spicy cx
uncut echo
cx
brazen zodiac
watcha doing
gusty mirage
@brazen zodiac
gusty mirage
just got home from work
junior aurora
whats the dmg chart
gusty mirage
my team is dying
sounds like a them problem tbh
brazen zodiac
junior aurora
damn
strange python
Nerf rogue.
brazen zodiac
LMFOA
royal lantern
strange python
Most demo locks are terrible.
junior aurora
i see a few specs there that might be inting a bit lol
brazen zodiac
i mean lets be real
gusty mirage
Most demo locks are terrible.
you have an extra word in this sentence
junior aurora
most players are terrible*
strange python
The spec is just slightly complicated enough and has enough punishment for bad play
brazen zodiac
half of them probably dont have their 4pc lmao
viscid spear
Fire mage has played like ass since ignite became what it is.
I'm glad I didn't make the change to Fire with gems and enchants
strange python
You can be terrible at warrior and do like 70% of your potential damage.
strange python
Warlocks lose a lot of damage by being bad
gusty mirage
you just settle for a dogshit warlock just to have a warlock
indigo comet
guys i have one extra spark what should i craft with it for new season
royal lantern
You can be terrible at warrior and do like 70% of your potential damage.
tbf, dps warrior has only like 4 buttons on both specs lol
junior aurora
but yeah i do agree that warlocks have the highest disparity
good warlocks are insane and bad ones are common
gusty mirage
guys i have one extra spark what should i craft with it for new season
do you have a crafted weapon
thorn fjord
Who's getting PI now tho UH or the Lock?
gusty mirage
demo
indigo comet
do you have a crafted weapon
yes
gusty mirage
and uh
strange python
Necklace to replace lariat is a good option
brazen zodiac
good thing i snatched that 421 neck
junior aurora
just farm a necklace from m+
gusty mirage
I mean sure
junior aurora
hopefully people dont realize lariat was nerfed you can prob get it traded for free lol
strange python
But why would you go into a dungeon when you can craft
Dungeons are terrible
Diablo is out in like 5 weeks.
royal lantern
because you can upgrade without crests when you have a item of a higher ilvl allready
junior aurora
theres dungeons in diablo now
strange python
Wow dungeons are just Diablo rifts.
gusty mirage
because you can upgrade without crests when you have a item of a higher ilvl all...
imma need you to tldr the new system for me
I read the original post
saw it was a short novel
and I closed the tab
royal lantern
ye sec, gonna DM you
strange python
imma need you to tldr the new system for me
Dratnos vid actually not bad.
brazen zodiac
it looks so fucking confusing
junior aurora
valor is flightstones now, infusions drop from content and are called crests
onyx linden
is sub still more single target then sin with the latest changes?
junior aurora
you need infusions to upgrade with valoe
strange python
P sure you have that backwards
brazen zodiac
wtb 1 hour of someones time 2 explain the whole thing
strange python
But yeah
gusty mirage
insane
strange python
Same system, now applies crafting systems and valor to all gear drops.
gusty mirage
10/10
strange python
New names.
junior aurora
itll be the same for your first set of gear and really cheap to upgrade later pieces of the same slot basicallg
gusty mirage
actually neat
I wish that cheap upgrade thing was account wide though
rather than character specific
brazen zodiac
gusty mirage
cause my warlock never got above 410 ilvl
because I wasn't about to grind 2500 IO on an alt
that I played like 3 times a month
brazen zodiac
rip
strange python
It sort of is
If you have a high piece on one char it's cheaper to upgrade items in the same slot on other chars
marble hemlock
in or outside?
thorn fjord
Eat a banana
brazen zodiac
are you stressed? :c
subtle tundra
its from the forehead towards the inside
ill grow up into jpc
N OOOOOOOOOOOOOO
OUTLAW PLAYER
BALD OUTLAW PLAYER
NOOOOOOOO
subtle tundra
no more banan in house
brazen zodiac
bananas are good for the health cx
gusty mirage
but what do they have to do with balding?
brazen zodiac
unless ur allergic. then it is not :c
gusty mirage
brazen zodiac
also eating bananas help w/ potassium which is good for hair cx
subtle tundra
how often do people with really short hair(numbers 1 or 2) cut their hair
winged kindle
3 weeksish
oak tangle
you grow like 1 inch a month or something isnt it?
storm forum
man I gotta wait that many years if I wanted to grow my hair back
gusty mirage
how often do people with really short hair(numbers 1 or 2) cut their hair
every 2-3 weeks
depending on how lazy I get
winged kindle
Thank you for reminding me to get my haircut though
subtle tundra
fuck i used to cut my hair ~3 months
thats a big jump
im commiting to this style though
oak tangle
go hipster and get a man bun with the shaved sides, goes well with receeding hairline
subtle tundra
go hipster and get a man bun with the shaved sides, goes well with receeding hai...
the whole point is to not take care of my hair anymore/take it out of my life
oak tangle
what better way than to not really cut it except to trim the sides which any ameteur can do
junior aurora
the whole point is to not take care of my hair anymore/take it out of my life
real hipsters would get dreads and then not take care of them
junior aurora
unless u got egg head
thorn fjord
George costanza disagrees