assassination

[oak sky]

1. Do not dm me

[near valley]

[gusty mirage]

no they don't

[storm belfry]

If they actually do then some major changes must’ve happened

[oak sky]

#ammo

[gusty mirage]

they just get insta moderated

vs here

where anytime you delete a message

everyone fucking cries

like a little baby

[oak sky]

Delete this

[gusty mirage]

because you're all such special snowflakes

[storm belfry]

Delete deez nuts

[spice spire]

I’ll see you on Reddit big boy

[grim tangle]

I don't approve of tyranny, sue me

[normal olive]

[gusty mirage]

good

[normal olive]

we are special

[burnt latch]

Can someone send me the skip scarizard dm

I wanna see

[near valley]

Oxi is my favorite reddit topic

[haughty flicker]

gonna be honest doesnt seem like dh discord is very well behaved at all lmao

[gusty mirage]

people start bashing devs' intelligence

then cry when they get moderated

start posting 1984 memes

[spice spire]

You weren’t here for early tuning then

[gusty mirage]

because zoomers think they're funny

[spice spire]

💀

[kind talon]

but they are funny

[spice spire]

What oxi said

[oak sky]

Literally tyranny literally 1947

[gusty mirage]

no they're not

[spice spire]

They’re funny when it’s nonsensical

[burnt latch]

Still likes to talk there more than here, tells u more about RH than their discord

[gusty mirage]

they're annoying as fuck

[near valley]

Imagine being so wrong on something you can easily prove is wrong, you mute somebody for calling out your bullshit act, which is acting right when you are actually wrong about the subject currently being discussed (soothing got a nerf which means it isn't a net 0 change) While LMFAO'ing me despite you clearly being wrong if you thought for one second about it.
"LMFAOOOOO"
"He still has no idea"
But no you have the special role so whatever you say is law.
1984

[kind talon]

1984 memes arent funny

[gusty mirage]

!mute @kind talon 10m take a breather buddy

[oak sky]

💀

[spice spire]

[drifting cloud]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/124169701881282560/1073274230638137444/IMG_6690.gif

[oak sky]

I can already see the calendar flipping back

[near valley]

[spice spire]

This man really hates George Orwell

[haughty flicker]

wow

[versed mica]

It just doesn't make sense to me. Realz gets feedback, and yet nothing changes for months.

I can only conclude that either:

1. Blizzard somehow missing feedback
2. Blizzard is deliberately leaving us in the dust
3. They don't have the man power and have to work on other specs first

And all of these seem like a problem that should be addressed

[oak sky]

"This is just like that one book 1984"

[gusty mirage]

no, I'm just annoyed that any time I try moderating I get hit with "lol 1984"

[near valley]

Oxi was more of an Animal Farm kinda guy

[gusty mirage]

you'd side with me if you actually moderated

[spice spire]

The shit you see is

[viscid spear]

1984 1984 real life

[gusty mirage]

actually, more of an aldous huxley's brave new world kinda guy

[spice spire]

At least hit ot with the 1984 memes

[gusty mirage]

orwell's mentor

[spice spire]

Not in this holy sin chat

[spice spire]

Ur a real one for that

[near valley]

good read tbf

[spice spire]

Darkest book I ever read at the age of 15

[oak sky]

!unban dekafchinpush

[wind condor]

LETS FUCKING GO BOYS

[spice spire]

And I’d read lord of the flies

[viscid spear]

This soylent green is delicious

[spice spire]

Grats homie

[gusty mirage]

[wind condor]

Only took the entire tier

[spice spire]

Good news

[gusty mirage]

luckily for you, it looks to be bis next tier as well

[spice spire]

We’re probably still gonna use it next tier

[drifting cloud]

nice flex we get it you can read

[spice spire]

[gusty mirage]

he's from Tennessee, that's enough to be president down there

[spice spire]

It’s literally my name so I’d hope so

[spice surge]

Its also just not as easy as just reading feedback and changing a single number. You read "assa aoe feels bad", its not immediately clear what you should be doing to address that concern, and sure theres some of #3 in it but its also just that it takes time to do changes that makes sense

[spice spire]

🤨

[near valley]

got your rings for season 2 finished

[gusty mirage]

but I've said it before

and I'll say it again

[viscid spear]

Darkest book I ever read was the Pokemon Ruby & Sapphire guidebook
(the lights were off and I was trying to read it at night)

[gusty mirage]

if you can write coherent thoughts and not be insulting

feel free to @ realz

he's a very nice guy

and is willing to give back and forth with people as much as he's allowed to by blizzard

[versed mica]

But they literally added multipliers so they can tune damage numbers on the fly, even just a small buff for rogue specs would be better than just radio silence

[spice surge]

Because numerically assa aoe isnt really that bad, so you cant really buff it significantly without it being too strong, so you have to tune something else down or make it feel different somehow. And to figure out the best way to do that isnt something you can do in 10 minutes

[spice surge]

But they dont need to?

[spice spire]

A lot of our aoe

[near valley]

what if you want to ask him about a good recipe for Shrimp Gumbo?

[spice surge]

Rogues are in a good spot overall in the 10.0 patch cycle

[viscid spear]

Does he know the Mage Dev?

[spice spire]

Is attached to our st as well

Creates issues

[gusty mirage]

he might have one stashed away

[gusty mirage]

why

were the 1800 buffs mage has gotten not enough?

or are we supposed to feel bad for mages because WAAAAAAH FIRE FEELS BAD TO PLAY 😦

[spice spire]

Mick is a selfish lover

[viscid spear]

Frost needs a buff, I kinda don't want to br Fire

[burnt latch]

Did u hear the based mage dev comment lmao

[gusty mirage]

yes

fire needs a buff

[haughty flicker]

i mean a spec feeling bad to play is kind of important yes

[gusty mirage]

and so does frost

for sure

[near valley]

arcane too

[gusty mirage]

frost needs a buff

yep

poor frost mage

bottom of the barrel all of 10.0

[versed mica]

1. Idk why you're bringing up sin aoe when I didn't bring it up
2. I've heard the opposite from those testing on the ptr

[viscid spear]

Frost needs a rework

[near valley]

aff lock needs a buff as well

[gusty mirage]

so does destro warlock

tbh

[near valley]

true

[gusty mirage]

its unfair that destro and aff are so behind demo rn

[near valley]

cant cast while moving

[spice spire]

Your frost 4 ilvl below sims higher than my almost 420 rogue homie

[normal olive]

yeah i agree get rid of frostbolt we need more ice lance

[spice spire]

You just gotta find the gains

[burnt latch]

Mage dev (before they buffed the specs) apparently told one of the mage TC guys that mage is just fine and people are playing it wrong

[spice surge]

1. Because its one of the main complaints from assassination
2. 10.1 isnt part of the 10.0 cycle now is it?

[gusty mirage]

I mean

they probably are

[near valley]

could be true tbf

[viscid spear]

Hasn't Aff been pretty awful for a long time now?

[gusty mirage]

remember when "fire mage was dead" in castle nathria?

[near valley]

aff is ok

[spice surge]

[gusty mirage]

and suddenly TCers found a magical 3k dps hidden?

[spice spire]

[near valley]

but the other 2 warlock specs are big dicking

[spice spire]

That was sod, but yeah

[near valley]

so eh

[viscid spear]

We found the MILF

[spice spire]

Classic

[gusty mirage]

their exact verbiage was

[versed mica]

Bruh that comment edit lmao, either I'm bad at reading or you swapped it to 10.0

[burnt latch]

Thats just not true, its like saying rogue TCs are shit and havent perfected our APL

[spice spire]

No ur right

It was 9.0.5

[versed mica]

I'm being gaslit help

[gusty mirage]

"We found a small optimization that resulted in 2.8k dps"

like okay buddy

[near valley]

hidden tech

[gusty mirage]

"small"

[burnt latch]

If a class is undertuned its undertuned, APL just doesnt have endless optimizations to fix a spec

[gusty mirage]

wizards are unethical

demo simmed incorrectly all of shadowlands

[burnt latch]

Rogue doesnt need balance tuning if our tcs just perfected our apl more we’d be more competent

[gusty mirage]

because they couldn't change a fucking thing about how many imps they'd have before tyranting

[viscid spear]

True story, they don't want us playing a class a different way than what they intend

[spice spire]

Mister warcieft

[gusty mirage]

Mister Warcieft is speaking in hyperbole

which is neat and all

but makes for very bad discussion/debate

[viscid spear]

Get him some Ritalin

[drifting cloud]

hes just finnish they cant turn it off

[spice surge]

I mean in theory there could be some interaction between very un-used talents that isnt implemented properly in simc so its hard to figure it out. But i doubt thats the case here, esp seeing as they actually buffed fire anyway

[gusty mirage]

there's a stark difference between a class being undertuned and the theorycrafters not doing their due diligence to fully flesh out the interactions between the different layers

because if the damage is there

and they haven't figured it out

[haughty flicker]

"you're just playing the class wrong, btw here's buffs across the board"

[gusty mirage]

it's hardly undertuned

[haughty flicker]

lmao

[gusty mirage]

but yeah bro

go on king

there's a dude you can hit up on reddit for a secret group chat to shit on how far RH has fallen

[viscid spear]

The Frost buffs would be better if they understood the spec, since they just pop some numbers on talents that they think need tuning.
No one uses Glacial Assault or Comet Storm? Better buff those.

[spice surge]

Or it could just be as simple as there were/is some bugged interaction with the tool they are using for estimating dps that overvalues fire

[gusty mirage]

could be, ya

[near valley]

lmao word?

[drifting cloud]

(its me, im the dude)

[gusty mirage]

whispyr literally spent 2 weeks optimizing dungeonslice for rogue

[spice spire]

[near valley]

[viscid spear]

(He thinks he's that guy)

[gusty mirage]

meanwhile

warlock apl explodes

anytime ANYTHING changes

[spice spire]

Ryler 100% that guy

[kind talon]

Yo

[normal olive]

wb

[near valley]

warlock's bugs lowkey a class feature at this point

[gusty mirage]

so let's give the other classes the benefit of the doubt

especially warlock and mage

they've earned it for sure

[burnt latch]

It wasnt overperforming in any aspect of raid testing either, unless my guilds mages are playing the spec really badly. Just seems like a really weird thing to cling on some 9.0.5 apl change and just determine that theyre being dishonest with their sims, whilst actively advocating for buffs for your own class. I personally would like to see all classes get the tuning they deserve, not only rogue, even if I dont play them

[spice spire]

You remember when warlock legit just endlessly casted a dot in multi-target in sofo. Good times

[near valley]

i want boomies to burn in the very depths of Ohio

[gusty mirage]

destro aoe apl?

chain casting immolate?

over and over and over again?

never using a covenant ability outside of the night fae one?

[haughty flicker]

thats too far ngl

[kind talon]

[viscid spear]

That's the thing, Ohio is cold

[spice spire]

Yeah

[gusty mirage]

so yeah

[spice spire]

That was a banger

[gusty mirage]

they could be playing it wrong

[spice spire]

:^)

[gusty mirage]

because they've shown in the past they don't turn over every stone

[near valley]

set it all on fire

[versed mica]

Nightstalker change when tho what happened?

[kind talon]

Bro it’s already 5:30 what the hell

[viscid spear]

That would be an improvement

[near valley]

remember when when destro got buffed b4 9.2 but then it turns out their tier set was bugged all along kek

[spice surge]

I mean the milf spec only started showing up a month or so ago, But the talents in it havent changed since release

[kind talon]

Azor sandbag btw

[gusty mirage]

nah bro

[spice spire]

Hunters

[gusty mirage]

they just forgot to submit the profile with the rasz bow

[kind talon]

[gusty mirage]

whoopsie

[burnt latch]

We literally went into that same tier playing our tier set and whole playstyle wrong Oxi, untill Cev figured out the snapshot tech. TCs dont catch everything

[kind talon]

oops

[near valley]

an honest mistake

[gusty mirage]

weird how you don't consider cev a theorycrafter

[near valley]

forgot to tell peeps they were too strong do to a bugged bow

[kind talon]

you could say the raz bow was forgotten in a very dystopian censorship-esque moment

[spice surge]

So theyve shown in this expansion that theyre not turning over every stone

[wind condor]

holy shit

my luck was bad all tier

[spice spire]

I think he’s more alluding to situations how mentioned above - destro casted immolate on anything past 8 targets ad nauseam which sandbagged hard

[viscid spear]

The spec is too designed around Ice Lance. MiLF only shines on 1-2T

[wind condor]

tonight we RAMPING

[kind talon]

okayyy

[tough wren]

oh wow, that wowhead article about assa really is damning

[gusty mirage]

holy shit

bro

[spice spire]

[kind talon]

the last week

[gusty mirage]

pls

[kind talon]

lets go

[near valley]

my boy is cooking

buy a lottery ticket quick

[kind talon]

hes about to COOK early 10.2 M+

no cappy

10.1**

[spice surge]

Ye i get that it just didnt make sense, its same as people on beta not believing sub could ever play without 2x dances

[kind talon]

i got grieftorch in vault last week

[near valley]

i got depression in mine

[kind talon]

just in time to never play rogue again as i made my warlock

[gusty mirage]

I've seen with my own eyes the amount of work cev has put into TCing

[kind talon]

i hadnt seen grieftorch all tier

[gusty mirage]

kinda weird of you to just discount that

[wind condor]

she broke, we UP

[viscid spear]

The amount of people in the Frost channel that pray for Glacial Spike to return is atrocious

[near valley]

ray of frost

[spice spire]

The hours watching the dummy hit streams

[viscid spear]

Blizz tried to get us to take it

[near valley]

unironically the shittest spell i've ever seen lmao

[viscid spear]

We got people hating how reliant we are on Rune of Power

[normal olive]

that one do be funny

[near valley]

tbf i can get behind that

[burnt latch]

Dont think Cev cares if I mention him as THE Assasination theorycrafter, so dont think you should either @limber lion

[near valley]

hate standing close to that shit

[gusty mirage]

Don't think that's what I said at all

[viscid spear]

"But I don't want to use a global to put down something that increases my damage, why can't we take the passive one?"

[gusty mirage]

let's break this down

[near valley]

[burnt latch]

What is it that you said, thats how I understood it from this. Nonetheless, he wont give a rats ass about my opinion

[viscid spear]

Your major CD drops it too, which is nice

[gusty mirage]

" untill Cev figured out the snapshot tech. TCs dont catch everything" insinuates that our theorycrafters missed the haste snapshot tech from vendetta

[spice spire]

I’m driving home please don’t kill each other

[spice surge]

I also loved back in SL when i was playing warrior (mostly for pvp so i had a pvp covenant) and proposed an APL change to one of their theorycrafters that would make this underplayed covenant ~1% better in sims and the response i got was that "nobody is gonna play that anyway so why bother". Really instilled confidence in the warrior theorycrafting community to me

[gusty mirage]

as if Cev hadn't been a vital part of theorycrafting for the majority of SL

[near valley]

drive safe homie

[normal olive]

talking about frost

[normal olive]

can't wait to pop off

[kind talon]

?

[near valley]

i made a mage

[viscid spear]

Fire tracking better

[kind talon]

are you a genshin player or something

[normal olive]

ik but idgaf

[kind talon]

what are those names bro

[near valley]

got it to near 2.5k

[normal olive]

fire can burn in hell

[near valley]

then realised i just hate it

[kind talon]

WOAH

[normal olive]

we only play frost in here

[kind talon]

fire is by far the most fun and interesting mage spec

[gusty mirage]

would be thematic

[normal olive]

ikr

[near valley]

thermatic*

[viscid spear]

Imagine having a naming theme

[gusty mirage]

touche

[kind talon]

i have one

[normal olive]

those names are "any form of Navi are gone so we just come up with shit"

[kind talon]

decafr decapf dkecaf and decwaf

[kind talon]

they sound like little anime girl names

[viscid spear]

Heylisten?

[normal olive]

no

[kind talon]

@burnt latch what are you cooking

[burnt latch]

He could’ve been, he could not. My point was that going into the tier we werent playing the spec like that because TCs missed it. It doesnt matter to me if it was Cev who figured it out, whispyr or the warlock discord, but it still got figured out later which is what happens from time to time. And as I said earlier Cev wont care about what I consider his ”role” in this discord to be, and I find it weird that youre pushing THAT out of this as your agenda, that im trying to somehow diminish him, when I just randomly used his name for an example

[kind talon]

typing for the last 15 mins

holy

[normal olive]

the first one is literally just my discord name swapped lmao

[kind talon]

there it is

[near valley]

greens thinking before he writes

gotta respect it

[kind talon]

i put respect on that

[gusty mirage]

My point is, he was. He was by all intents and purposes considered a theorycrafter and worked with whispyr and koji on numerous occasions to find optimizations. Meaning the theorycrafters, did NOT miss it, because a theorycrafter DID find it

I'm confused where your confusion lies here

[near valley]

look don't let this distract you from the fact that there is a person in RH who microwaves pasta and eats it with plastic cheese

[gusty mirage]

skip?

[normal olive]

wat

[quaint nimbus]

[near valley]

zac

[haughty flicker]

fresh

[burnt latch]

I was trying to make the point that sometimes APL optimizations go undetected even into a patch release, sometimes by accident or not having had the idea to try it in the APL yet, and its not always sandbagging, sometimes its just a mistake

[gusty mirage]

????????

[viscid spear]

[gusty mirage]

@midnight mist ??????????????

[kind talon]

ironic that your best name is irishcoffee

[viscid spear]

All her pets are coffee-related

[haughty flicker]

thats a lot of kittens

[kind talon]

how many cats do you have irl

ash

[normal olive]

bro wtf is thie new blizzard webpage i'm so lost

where do i see my chars

[kind talon]

ayo bring out the affogato

lesssgo

[viscid spear]

9

[kind talon]

nah

[viscid spear]

[kind talon]

9 cats is crazy

do u live in florida too

or ohio

[viscid spear]

NJ

[kind talon]

ok

salvageable

[thorn fjord]

Buddy on the left at the top right is a whole mood

[viscid spear]

I have emotional attachment issues

[viscid spear]

That's Luna

[haughty flicker]

the cat on the left kind of looks like mine lol

[kind talon]

dont we all

smug cat on left is me

no cap

[viscid spear]

That's Ash on the far right

[kind talon]

is that a tabby

or what

[normal olive]

[normal olive]

thats a lot of cats

[kind talon]

i frick with tabby cats i had 2 when i was a lil kid and they both got eaten by coyotes

and i never got over it

tawny scrawny and sneezy

[viscid spear]

Hazel lays on my chest at night, her daughter Ginger lays at my left side shoulder

They don't always get along

[haughty flicker]

yeah thats my cat if she wasnt fat

lmao

little bit lighter

[tacit otter]

bragging

[viscid spear]

Oreo + Crow = Elena Sam Luna
Hazel + Crow = Ginger Ash
And then there's Jinx, Oreo's younger sis

[haughty flicker]

Ignore the brown on her nose she had the sniffles

[viscid spear]

Hazel in my lap right now as a matter of fact

[near valley]

all these cats

where my doggos at?

[viscid spear]

I thought you were going to say "and no puss, smh"

[near valley]

@spice spire balance this equation

[near valley]

now i wish i though of that

[haughty flicker]

was gonna get a dog but i didnt have the room for one

now i do but idk how the cats would like one

[normal olive]

man i wonder how people take good pics of their cats

mine just sleeps when at home and otherwise chills outside

[haughty flicker]

most of the pictures i have of my cats are me waking them up from sleeping lmao

[viscid spear]

Here's my Mage and Rogue
Elena and Ash

[blazing jewel]

My boy mochi when he was on just a few meds

[haughty flicker]

just a few

that cat is high af

[haughty flicker]

lmao

[viscid spear]

That's Crow, he gets more action than me

[blazing jewel]

Peak assassination channel content

[viscid spear]

[slow needle]

Any photos when he isn't high?

[haughty flicker]

inb4 the second photo is him normally

[viscid spear]

See now he's paranoid af

[haughty flicker]

that is a very pretty cat

despite the gunk in his eye

[blazing jewel]

those are just the meme pics of him

thats why he was drugged

[blazing jewel]

let me find a non meme pic of mochi

most sane pic I could find

[haughty flicker]

He protec but he also attac

[compact sonnet]

excellent discussion of the assassination spec right now

[blazing jewel]

10.1 waiting room

[compact sonnet]

tbf we got nothing to talk about

[brazen zodiac]

this is good

this is a good discussion.

[compact sonnet]

"spec still sucks, that's all"

[brazen zodiac]

i agree with this opinion. clearly this guy knows whats up

[blazing jewel]

whispyr about to mute sin channel until 10.1

[oak sky]

[grim tangle]

does realz have a cat

[drifting cosmos]

Wow off topic 2

[viscid spear]

Really shows how good a place Sin is in right now

[drifting cosmos]

Ppl who still play sin are hero

[haughty flicker]

i dont play sin i just like cats

[drifting cosmos]

True light shine on the spec which is in the bottom of the dumpster

[viscid spear]

I don't play Rogue anymore but I'm still a Patreon of RH

[spice spire]

Ty

[gray hazel]

Silly question, does the talent Zoldyck Recipe make your envenom do 30% more as well?

[compact sonnet]

idk we just talk about cats here

[balmy condor]

no

[gusty mirage]

IT DROPPED

FINALLY

@gray crest

[drifting cloud]

dont think thats good on your warlock

[gusty mirage]

shut up

[drifting cloud]

I also dont have it

I did get the bow for almost 2 bag ilvls!! big gains

[gusty mirage]

lmao

next bow goes to me for tmog

I think

I was about to get a bow

before this dagger

[gray crest]

https://tenor.com/view/crab-rave-dancing-dancing-crab-gif-16543314

it just dropped again for me lol

[compact sonnet]

what other classes yall play?

[storm belfry]

all healers but priest really. lock also

[ebon cloud]

you guys think assa rework is near?

[compact sonnet]

hopefully but radio silence from blizz so far

[blazing jewel]

warrior for splits

[oak sky]

no

[upper breach]

survival

[oak tangle]

why you should play assassination wowhead guide "Is a rogue, and provides all the powerful effects rogue is known for. (You can also play the other rogue specs, one of which will almost always be good)"

hmmmmm you should play sin so you can not play it

[balmy condor]

correct

that's how it be

if assassination isn't the best single target rogue spec

you got a fallback

that's a benefit

[slow needle]

"One of the main benefits of Sin is being able to hit change spec for either Sub or Outlaw"

[balmy condor]

cry about it

[slow needle]

It was a really well written article though.

Laying out the current issues.

[versed mica]

Hear me out

[sonic schooner]

Whispyr

[oak tangle]

yeh i mean they did their best with the minimal straws they have

[versed mica]

Sin rogue is the highest DPS rogue spec when you're dead because they have bonespike

Op af

[slow needle]

I genuinely want Sin to be the play this tier for best St spec.

Buffs are coming.

[balmy condor]

thanks, I guess

[versed mica]

Massive cope

[balmy condor]

least backhanded compliment I've ever gotten

yeh bro the article is ass but you weren't given anything to work with

[sonic schooner]

:pepeclown-1:

[versed mica]

Whispyr you seem really tired tbh

[balmy condor]

ravenholdt is a mental void

it's like a black hole

[upper breach]

sv hunter channel is like a small group chat

[polar shale]

wasn't assassination like.. strongest 2-3 target cleave in bfa? what happened to it? >_>

[balmy condor]

2 expansions worth of changes

what

wdym what happened to it

3 years happened

[oak sky]

tbh i wish you were harsher than saying you can go sub or outlaw

you smell bad

👃

[tacit otter]

you just want whispyr to be rough to you, i see

[drifting cloud]

druid main!!

[balmy condor]

I've gotten that feedback like 10 times today and idk

I don't see the point

[oak sky]

nah im joking

its a good article

no haters allowed

you obviously cant only say negative things

theres still reasons to play sin

[balmy condor]

you're joking, they aren't

[oak sky]

like

casuals need to see the like

actual things that matter

that always apply

[slow needle]

Tbh I think you struck the right tone. Like it was obvious how much doom and gloom there was for the spec but it didn't come off as overly negative or whiny to me. It struck the right balance of 'Yo, shit is fucked' without it coming off as petty.

Though Atrophic maybe should have been referenced as a raid buff.

[oak tangle]

i didn't mean article was ass, i just meant that you had to find some reasons to play it XD

[near valley]

More like Raid placebo

[slow needle]

For most people maybe but 3.6% dr is useful for the subset of players that are hitting bosses they don't overgear.

[balmy condor]

the problem is that it's not really a reason to take a rogue

3.6% sounds good

but it's only from direct boss abilities

and doesn't count towards environmental effects for example

no raid is setting up a group and looking for a rogue because of atrophic

which makes it less of a raid buff and more of a "well it exists"

which is sort of how I framed it in the article

[slow needle]

Most things come from bosses nowadays though.

[near valley]

Atrophic is just nice to have but far from mandatory to bring

[oak tangle]

meanwhile i got my warrior friend yelling at me that rogue is op for keys because of our utility and he can't get invited to groups

[near valley]

3.6% dr being a major difference to you progging something doesn't seem that much to write about imo

[gusty mirage]

tell him to get gud

[near valley]

Tell him to let it rip

[oak tangle]

he wants warrior to get heroism

[gusty mirage]

fuck it

give them a heal too

they scream really loud

and tell people to feel better

[drifting cosmos]

Lol wtf??

And a cheat death on warrior

[near valley]

Always works in real life tbf

[drifting cosmos]

less floor pov

[gusty mirage]

I think we should give them lock gate & healthstones too tbh

[near valley]

You go too far

[oak tangle]

i tell him rogue is only really played atm cause sub does good damage

[near valley]

Can't be taking warlock utility

That's a cardinal sin

[slow needle]

And have them sternly tell mobs to look away so the party can walk by as if they all had stealth.

[near valley]

They need all the help they can get

[haughty flicker]

can take their meta tho

get fucked demo

[near valley]

Greatest tragedy in WoW history

[oak tangle]

Imagine a warrior ability like darkness. You shout “heads up” and then your party memebers have a chance to dodge the next damage they woulda taken

Let loose a massive “FOOOOOOORE”

[versed mica]

Reminds me of that one guy who was stalking Guy on Twitter and in this disc to constantly bitch how outlaw rogue was massively OP in M+ and how it needed to be nerfed

[storm forum]

my guild got CE (without me) 🥲

[balmy condor]

next week

[storm forum]

i dont think its happening

unless we steal a lockout

[wind condor]

Shoutout to the ring/dagger, nice lil rank 3 for Dathea boss damage

[slate scarab]

I thought the Wowhead article was great. Well written and on point. It wasn't over the top doomsday but it accurately described the frustrations of the spec, at least for me.

[balmy condor]

glad you enjoyed it

[peak bobcat]

Yeah whispyr is so handsome it’s crazy

How does he continually do it

[balmy condor]

oh boy

babe wake up

new Xaethron comment

[peak saffron]

good article whispyr

[balmy condor]

[gusty mirage]

oh no

[balmy condor]

it's pretty tame

but he snuck in the ol "shiv needs to not be a button"

[gusty mirage]

yeah

honestly

I wow

I'm genuinely shocked

[rocky ruin]

@balmy condor yea good article whispyr
Es war sehr gut

[balmy condor]

dankeschön

[balmy condor]

I mean considering his first comment on one of my articles started off with "If I weren't banned from the rogue discord I would tell whispyr how fucking stupid he is"

this is pretty tame

[gusty mirage]

we should unban him

also don't forget the banger of

"toxic blade makes no sense on assassination"

just ignoring half of legion

all of bfa

all of sl

and now all of DF

[balmy condor]

he's just going through the stages of grief

he's reached bargaining now

[drifting cloud]

xaethron in 2023 wtf

[gusty mirage]

yeah he's been a mainstay on whispyr's wowhead articles

[drifting cloud]

how long ago was the ban

[balmy condor]

like

6 years

[drifting cloud]

ok surely its not that many

[balmy condor]

idk

but it's been a while

he's now living in the comment section of any post about assassination

[gusty mirage]

close enough

[runic hinge]

I love learning the lore

[drifting cloud]

2018 😩

(help)

[balmy condor]

ryler actual dinosaur

[drifting cloud]

yeah think I joined here in like tomb

been a hot minute

is the puzzlebox change live now or is that a 10.1 thing?

[rocky ruin]

10.1

[slate scarab]

I'm guessing that's a big enough nerf that when 10.1 hits I won't use the puzzle box anymore. It was a pita anyway, this just gives me an excuse to bench it.

[balmy condor]

yeh

it's just a straight 38% nerf for us

[upper breach]

Almost finished NO final boss by myself, less than 500k hp remaining

[deft flicker]

I genuinely thought the reasons not to play sin began a lot earlier than they actually did (after the Rogue being Rogue part). Then I saw the subtitle and was like “oh, those were the good things”

Great article nonetheless, thank you Whispyr

[haughty flicker]

lmao i had the same reaction at first

[somber sparrow]

one of the issues brought up is the button bloat. I feel like assassination has the least button bloat out of all 3 rogue specs. every time I try sub I just can't figure out where else to put more keybinds, so I switch back to assassination

[balmy condor]

Issue is that every positive thing I listed has problems with it

[oak sky]

its not always just button bloat, but bloat of uninteresting and useless buttons

[balmy condor]

But yeh

It is what it is

Thank you :)

[drifting cloud]

doesnt sub have less buttons than assa right now

unless you mean some pvp stuff

[deft flicker]

I hope the spec gets some proper attention in the near future

[oak sky]

pretty sure its about the same

[fathom swift]

you've learnt the art of complaining about ur spec well

[balmy condor]

Ty

[fathom swift]

now surely assa is gonna be good

[subtle tundra]

It's OK they will buff fok

And uh make ic 30s

❗❗❗❗

Banger spec

[whole mason]

who's buffing fok?

[subtle tundra]

God

[slow tulip]

nice article @balmy condor 🥂

[balmy condor]

ty!

[woven hound]

Sorry, where is this whispyr article? Can someone link it pls?

[pseudo hamlet]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/why-you-should-and-shouldnt-play-assassination-rogue-in-dragonflight-season-2-332589

[woven hound]

Thanks!

[open reef]

@balmy condor awsome job with article, hope Assa will see more attention

[balmy condor]

[brazen zodiac]

cx

[open reef]

but ye they could easly make 2p garrote, rupture, CT

and +/- tune arround that

[serene fossil]

The positivity at the end of the article

[drifting cosmos]

imagine if tyran was writing the last paragraph @royal lantern

[royal lantern]

huh

[normal kite]

imagine if xaethron wrote a similar article

[balmy condor]

he'd probably do it faster and better than me

[royal lantern]

and without shiv

[silk bane]

if xaethron did a Ted talk id probably drop acid and go there

who knows I might just end up finding god or some shit

[royal lantern]

that guy is slightly concerning

a bit of a weird hate against whisp

idk

[silk bane]

line between hate and love is very thin Tyran

sometimes all u need is a little push

[normal kite]

if anything, its an obsession at this point

[serene fossil]

How much of the article did chatgpt do?

[balmy condor]

0

[serene fossil]

Waaaaaat

[drifting cloud]

whispyrGPT is fooling you all

[balmy condor]

I... what

this some advanced humor I don't understand

or

[drifting cloud]

theres a documentary series about this, look up terminator

[serene fossil]

Documentary series, mhm

[silk bane]

i liked the part where chatGPT said he'll be back

[odd dew]

I'm just still confused how the devs came to the conclusion to give a bleed extension and a bleed consume tier set bonus to the other 2 specs, one of which doesnt even have bleeds

[royal lantern]

Something Something rupture is a finisher

new weekly Overall dmg wowhead Post

prepare yourself

[serene fossil]

5th in boss damage THIS IS FINE

[deft flicker]

It’s not a bleed, it’s just an ordinary physical DoT that ignores armor

ThAt Is NoT tHe SaMe!!!1!1

[serene fossil]

We doom about law in sin chat now? Lesgo

[rich vine]

Unholy was a higher overoll and boss damage before buff

[cobalt hemlock]

[limber lion]

Just read up on this and yeah I don't mind. At the end of the day it's the work and research that we all do together that matters. There's power in numbers and none of us could singlehandedly figure everything out. Contributions and ideas are always very welcome, even from non-tc folk, because at the end of the day we're just human and will miss stuff.

Whispyr is kinda singlehandedly doing assa tc now, but I'm sure he'd be very happy with any extra ideas and contributions from other people.

[balmy condor]

I'd mostly be happy with like

sims

but yeh, cev helped out a ton during shadowlands

it's easy to miss stuff when you only are looking at something yourself

can get into your own head sometimes

and see losses on some APL change, give up on the idea, and move on

when there's actually good logic there, just have to find it

[limber lion]

:( Koji-sama

[balmy condor]

cev could've very easily just looked at my sepsis gains and been like wow nice yeah cool, sepsis town

but he found venthyr stuff that I missed because I was hyperfixated on sepsis

that's the good thing about having multiple people looking at stuff

[subtle tundra]

go look at shadow dance

[limber lion]

Yeah absolutely. We spend a lot of time on useless degen stuff and most of the time it's in vain, but sometimes you strike gold.

[balmy condor]

I did

[subtle tundra]

what abooooout

uhhhhhhhh

yea there really isnt much to think about in assa

[pseudo hamlet]

Who's that guy? I see a lot of posts about him

[royal lantern]

some weirdo that was banned ages ago, nothing more

[balmy condor]

yeh

he was insane

posted nonstop bait and troll garbage

eventually got banned, became a dh main

now he lives in my wowhead comments

[royal lantern]

ofc, no place in your walls

btw, the buffed the crit plague potion or soomething like that right?

[serene fossil]

Aint we all shitposters at heart?

[pseudo hamlet]

Actually pretty expectable scenario

[amber blaze]

This article on Wowhead hurt me so bad 😦

[grim jay]

Bro wdym

I'm kinda surprised it wasnt as negative as expected

[gaunt moat]

That Xaethron comment 😂
"this article is so negative"

continues to write what's bad about sin

Guy is actually not of sound mind

[cobalt hemlock]

does hekili help only with more the basics of the class or can it help with better parses too?

[grim jay]

If you are gigabad

It might help

But we generally advise not using it anyways

[frosty cedar]

Usually parsing is going to take into account your whole fight strategy going in to an encounter so it won't really help you with that if your looking for high logs

[sleek shale]

Yes master i shall follow these words to the letter

[grim jay]

High parses on sin is ignoring as much of the fight/strategy as you can anyways

[frosty cedar]

I mean more your personal DPS strategy rather than a raid wide one

[grim jay]

Oh, fair enough

[royal lantern]

i mean, thats high parses for everyone lol

ignore mechanics, dont get hit by forced movment, get externals, if possible pad like a insane ape, have decent spec gameplay rng

[grim jay]

As long as your aoe pad is good enough you actually get rewarded for playing atleast one or two platforms on dathea for example

Which is technically playing the mechanic

But yeah, in general it is that way

Still, for hekili to help you get better parses you need to be kinda bad (no offense)

And its pretty meh in general to use something like that

[royal lantern]

yeha, the big problem with stuff like hekili is, you dont actually learn the Spec or why you are using X now

and instead just press what it says

and, well, ofc its also not optimal gameplay

[true basalt]

@balmy condor the wowhead article is depressing af ngl ... i hate the truth

[grim jay]

Take reality into your own hands

[true basalt]

i already hate real life

[grim jay]

Just apply to Blizzard as a class dev

[slow needle]

Just play Minecraft then.

[grim jay]

Ez

[slow needle]

xD 2 very different ways of dealing with it right there.

[grim jay]

I could have nothing else in my life

And I would still refuse to play minecraft

[slow needle]

Missing out.

[grim jay]

Bro ngl I would just go into my cellar with some wood and build some weird stuff at my workstation

[hollow dirge]

wooden kingslayers

for old times sake

[deft flicker]

Wooden pickaxes??

[serene fossil]

Build wooden ptr notes for rogues

[hollow dirge]

blizz already did, they were written all over Teldrassil

[serene fossil]

Going to chromie to visit living teldrassil to read notes

[grim jay]

Stakes so I can use those next raid to deal more dmg than sin

[grim jay]

Building the tier nerf wouldnt take that long

[serene fossil]

Build DN

[grim jay]

Whats DN ? Everything my mind tries with those letters isnt appropriate

[serene fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/deez-nuts-got-em-deez-nutz-jerk-gif-4967750

https://tenor.com/view/gotword-deeznuts-gottem-deez-nuts-gif-4394929

[grim jay]

https://tenor.com/view/facepalm-annoyed-stöhn-oh-no-oh-nein-gif-24943313

[serene fossil]

[grim jay]

Problem is if I build deez nuts

I wouldnt be able to get them out of there

I can barely walk with mine

Alright back to the real topics

[balmy condor]

lets not rehash that again

:)

[grim jay]

Noooo

Y u do dis daddy whispyr

[balmy condor]

cause it's a bit over the line ya know

like

[serene fossil]

Rehash what

[balmy condor]

it's pushin it

[serene fossil]

Man

[grim jay]

@true basalt you summoned him

[balmy condor]

nah

I've been here

just watching chess

[serene fossil]

Hes lurking until we say something so vile he has to divine intervention

[grim jay]

I knew it. We are just pieces in your game

Disposable pawns for your entertainment!

[true basalt]

was watching tiktok wdym

[grim jay]

Was just kidding bcs you tagged him

[gaunt moat]

I was sure BM would be lowest on WCL DPS ranking this week. it was very very close.
oh well, 11th week in a row for us. we're gonna close this season with 3 months of worst performing spec.
But I'm hopeful for next raid. I expect we should at least be mid there.

[faint rock]

How important is the gem ring dps wise vs a bis from before the ring ?

[grim jay]

Big big

Since its free

[faint rock]

I got Diurna and the autoattacks one max ilvl from mythic and m+ weekly chest, still big improvement?

I really cba farming for it if its a minor upgrade

[grim jay]

It takes like 1 hour to get it

Its like 1.5% ST compared to 421 with socket

And maybe even BiS next tier

[cunning nest]

I think Our St wont be anything special, but at least there are more St Fights overall, which is like a buff for us I guess xD

[royal lantern]

except that sub and outlaw do more st rn

[cunning nest]

Yeah That's true

[gaunt moat]

It definitely won't. Not even compared to the other specs.
But performance-wise, I expect the spec to do better than some other classes. unlike this season where we've been at the overall bottom for 3 months.
And it might ignite some interest in the spec. but that's not super likely.

[peak bobcat]

Bliz can slap that 5% aura on any day now

[brazen zodiac]

o.o

[royal lantern]

slap me with that 5% uwu

[gaunt moat]

We're way past that copium.

[steel ridge]

lmao

[frozen jasper]

Nice write-up for assassination on wowhead whisp!

[balmy condor]

thank you!

[serene fossil]

Ill slap you with the 69 if you say uwu again

[deft flicker]

69% auwa buff pwease UwU

[serene fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/borat-borat-very-nice-verynice-thumbs-up-gif-25080066

(Pls dont ban whispyr ty <3)

[grim jay]

@balmy condor thats pushin it

[balmy condor]

bro what the fuck lmao

[royal lantern]

[balmy condor]

can y'all be normal for like 5 minutes

[royal lantern]

offical blizz uwu

[serene fossil]

This is my normal state

[grim jay]

https://tenor.com/view/being-normal-is-vastlyoverrated.-blonde-teen-kid-woman-gif-3079595609825024617

[deft flicker]

anticipation music

[serene fossil]

My guild disc has a “filter” now, i actively triggered it like 25 times until my RL told me to stop or he mutes, then i just posted workarounds

[serene fossil]

ultra instinct music

[balmy condor]

is that something you wanna be sharing

[serene fossil]

Oh yeah

Just not what i wrote

Moroes is way stricter than the thing that caught me

[grim jay]

I demand a compilation of all 25 triggers

[royal lantern]

my GM asked me yesterday "whats up with you and cat memes"

[serene fossil]

Cant post half of the shit here

[serene fossil]

Send him the 69 meme

[royal lantern]

[deft flicker]

bondburgering intensifies

[shrewd night]

Why are yall like this

[grim jay]

I mean

Wouldnt it be boring if we werent?

[deft flicker]

No idea, waiting to be diagnosed, might have an idea then

[grim jay]

We honestly are the best spec channel in all the wow discords

[shrewd night]

False

Feral channel is filled to the brim with catmemes

Close second though

[grim jay]

https://tenor.com/view/tayomaki-sakigifs-cat-meme-stan-twitter-gif-22912041

[royal lantern]

so, spec channels if @vernal adder would use them more active

[vernal adder]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/600441986981298227/1095019291570610317/babulehov_2023-04-07-19-13-46_1680884026735_online-video-cutter.com.gif

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/orange-cat-stare-funny-gif-26367587

[grim jay]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-meme-gif-20175115

I weirdly like that one

[royal lantern]

@balmy condor when do ylu need to do a +23 for the next patch again to get a +20key

this week or next week

[balmy condor]

should be next week

[steel ridge]

next week is still season 1

[balmy condor]

it's on season

next week is patch

week after is season

[royal lantern]

thanks

[burnt latch]

did they confirm it to be 23?

or is that guesses

/ estimations

[balmy condor]

that's what it usually is

[burnt latch]

ye its just changed between a couple of different key levels in previous tiers

i guess its dependant on how much they tune the dungeons up, they've messed around with that from season to season too

[mint kindle]

What dungeons is assa nice to play in?

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[balmy condor]

compared to what

[eager solstice]

So if we do a 20 next week we get a 447 first week of season in vault?

[balmy condor]

no

vault doesn't roll over

[eager solstice]

Just key?

[spice spire]

Yes

[balmy condor]

key will drop a couple levels

but yeha

if you do a 20, that tuesday you'll have a season 1 vault

and a 17 key

[dark token]

cos, sbg tyrannical

thats about it

[arctic current]

I gotta say playing full on raid spec in M+ is kinda fun and surprisingly good

[pure moth]

What level key?

[arctic current]

Only doing 23/24 atm

But no wipes when u can kill the bosses lol

[strange python]

Anyone have any good macros for PvP?

[spice spire]

Cos one of the worst ones

[balmy condor]

#pvp brother

[thorn fjord]

So happy tjs is out the door

That boss gfx glitch is so infuriating

[soft shale]

yea now we will enjoy vortex pinnacle 1st and 2nd boss fuckery

[thorn fjord]

Ugh

[soft shale]

hope they made visuals better

[thorn fjord]

Well the visual improvements to cos were really good

So we can hope

[soft shale]

took them a bit for the melandrus one

but tru

[dark token]

Wdym I don't know any tjs gfx glitch

[storm belfry]

All of them lol

[balmy condor]

You mean none

[dawn kelp]

[quaint nimbus]

wise mari will either freeze then snap to face a random direction, killing everyone
or she will spin like a beyblade.. killing everyone

[unborn geode]

i saw the snap face at the start of her channel where people had zero time to move

that got annoying... luckily if it ever did it to me i cloaked getting away with it

[storm belfry]

[storm belfry]

[uncut echo]

Sin key enjoyer

[storm belfry]

[jade abyss]

I expect vortex as new sbg 😅

After freehold of course

[deft flicker]

Freehold is now auto-joining team Jolly

And no pig event IIRC

[frosty cedar]

no pig event?? I can't listen to those glorious voice lines?

[dark token]

Hasn't happened since start of expac and it's a visual big anyway

I've had it happen to me and I just keep moving at same pace if the beam is frozen

Cause the laser still travels like it was, just invis

Not that hard to avoid

[spice surge]

Pig event still there, you just need 3 clicks now instead of 5

And the rp is a lot shorter

[silk bane]

Man imagine talking about the game here.... Smh. Can we talk about starting a petition to get anna de Armas playing jaina in new wow movie

[wind condor]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[spice surge]

Ye my bad, i should take my wow talk to #off-topic to not disturb this channels topics

[deft flicker]

Ah, we’re saved then

[spice surge]

Well they murdered god king skovald, so we actually lost very hard

[silk bane]

U should know better eleem. We only talk about cats here

With occasional flirting with whispyr

[deft flicker]

Are they gutted in the non-key difficulty as well??

[spice surge]

Ive been too much in #subtlety , apologies

[echo heath]

Can we get our patch notes pups going again?

Everyone post your dogs

[deft flicker]

I get trying to cut down forced downtimes because key time is limited, but if they cut rp out of heroic - it’s a big L

[spice spire]

A 23 will not be sufficient for season 2

[pure moth]

Depleted by 10lvls.. damn

[raven knoll]

[limber lion]

As if that matters at all

You're gonna be doing a bunch of keys anyways and pushing the key higher

Doesn't matter if you start at 20 or 13

[raven knoll]

It kinda does. When an item drops from +13 you cannot upgrade it to max ilvl possible

[spice spire]

Eventually you can

I mean he’s right. If you’re doing keys anyway, you’ll push to where you should be

[spice surge]

All it means is that you have less choice in what dungeons to play unless you grind up all of your partys keys and play with the same people all the time

[raven knoll]

With the new upgrade system?

[dark token]

I think this means if you do a +20 you are getting a +10 ilvl item out of the vault also

Smoothbrain change

[silk bane]

Man I just had to pay the uni library 121 bucks for a book I borrowed before Covid and forgot about LOL

[oak tangle]

when does your degree finish? just dont pay it and 'forget' after graduation

[storm belfry]

Any +30ers?

[silk bane]

Can't already started grad school LOL

[storm belfry]

Looks like ima aim for a 24

[spice spire]

omw

[spice spire]

Yes

Looks like you’d have to run appropriate keys to upgrade to a level where higher upgrades apply tho

Which is kind of annoying

[spice surge]

I mean ye we dont know the new dungeons that well, but the new +10s are the equivalent of current ~+13s and most people that do their weekly 20 would probably consider a +13 way too easy

Just seems like an excessive drop, but it is what it i guess

[oak tangle]

they are also rebalancing stamina and mob damage which maybe adds to that

[fleet pagoda]

i think the ability to upgrade is also less time gated, so maybe that's a factor in it all?

[limber lion]

And it takes what, 1-3 dungeons to get back to par?

Who cares lol

[spice surge]

4

Or well if you meant to the equivalent of a current 20 its less

But since you want to be running 20s its gonna take atleast 4 keys to push it to 20 from 10

[limber lion]

You'll be doing like a bunch of dungeons that week anyways, so it doesn't really matter

[marble hemlock]

i have a +11. will i get a +1 key?

[limber lion]

It does slow down alts a bit for sure

[unborn geode]

has anyone done numbers on a CT ST build that has cleave with FoKs over the Indiscriminate Carnage AoE build for M+?

[oak tangle]

tier set is not implemented yet

for simc, so doubt it

[limber lion]

Why would you play something like that?

Why wouldn't you just play IC

[near valley]

just cause

[limber lion]

Good input

[spice surge]

Idk its not really a problem for me i have plenty of time, but it just seems like it forces people to play dungeons they dont need anything from until they get the ones they actually want to play

[oak tangle]

counter point, no need for valor farming in 2's

[limber lion]

But what exactly are dungeons that you "don't need anything from"? Aren't all dungeons more ilvl for you next patch anyways?

Shouldn't you get upgrades from every dungeon

[spice surge]

End of dungeon ilvl from 20s is 431

[limber lion]

Mm alright

[oak tangle]

i thought a 7 is 415, so a 10 would be at ilvl

[limber lion]

But yeah I do get that it might be annoying initially, but it legit takes less than a day to get back to where you want to be

You'll be playing the next patch for like 4 months, so one day won't matter too much.

[oak tangle]

or was 7 410, idr

[spice surge]

Its just needless extra grinding, which is something they tend to avoid now in dragonflight

But ye

[limber lion]

Yeh, but also if you think about it

It kinda forces people to do keys that they don't need gear from

[oak tangle]

told all my raiders to get 410 before new raid

[limber lion]

Which means that they're forced to try the new dungeons out

[spice spire]

Instead of just no lifing two dungeons

For gear

[limber lion]

Which is a valid thing in itself

[spice spire]

Which ig ur right technically

But it does feel like a weird step

[spice surge]

Ye i know, i just think -7 or something would be better

[spice spire]

Idk maybe I play the system

[limber lion]

So you get to try out all the new dungeons at least a few times before you start grinding one or two dungeons

[spice spire]

And I’m like “damn, this makes sense, we’re chuckling”

But from a gut reaction it does seem like an odd move

[oak tangle]

i think they should not deplete your keys at all tbh. because the panda is still there for you to manage your own

[fleet pagoda]

i suspect they want to avoid people getting a key above their weight class, as well, and then stubbornly get owned trying to finish it for the maximum rewards at the detriment of fun

[oak tangle]

day 1 20's

[unborn geode]

its a way to do Cleave on adds while focusing ST on bosses with having teh excute dmg... it was just a thought seeing as IC is mainly for just add pulls and not effective on bosses

[oak tangle]

doing keys with friends punching above your weight is part of the fun, but for pugs yeah it'd just be toxic

[limber lion]

The execute damage isn't that big of a deal. IC just helps with the packs a lot (with Iron Wire especially) which speeds up the dungeon overall.

Killing the boss 3s faster is not better than killing every pack 5s faster

[fleet pagoda]

pugs are better than my friends they're the people I think of when I said that. the kind of folks racking up over 200 deaths on a +20

[oak tangle]

yeah but depleting with friends is fiiiiine