assassination

[shrewd night]

@near valley

[near valley]

[quiet juniper]

oh that's what I was looking for ty

whats DTB pls ?

[shrewd night]

Talent, bottom middle row

[burnt star]

Dooming theorie boomer

[quiet juniper]

I see thanks

[gusty mirage]

digging the new pfp

[near valley]

i'm digging you

[gusty mirage]

[royal lantern]

[near valley]

[burnt star]

[mild canyon]

Is Assa AOE rotation spam Crimson Tempest as finisher or is it apply Crimson Tempest debuff and spam Eviscerate as finisher for poison bomb procs?

[uncut echo]

Golden rule of thumb

If pack standing still, maintain temp and spam envenom

If pack moving, spam CT

[mild canyon]

Gotcha, cheers

[uncut echo]

Glad to help!

[mild canyon]

But in both situations maintain the DoT from CT right?

[uncut echo]

Yes.

[royal lantern]

yes

[mild canyon]

[mild canyon]

One more question, do we use CT in pure single target?

[royal lantern]

can do it if you want

but not really

its a very very minor gain iirc

[mild canyon]

Alright I'll just not bother then

[gaunt moat]

Looks like this is gonna be the first week in almost 3 months that assassination will not be at the bottom of the dps chart

It's extremely close, but BM has dropped severely.

BM is also the most played spec in the game currently.

[uncut echo]

sigh

[bronze pike]

i can fix this ez

first thing we rework exsang

we turn esxang into a dot that eats all your other dots on the target into a super dot

then to keep it balanced

we give it a 10min cd

thats reduced by 1 second everytime a dot ticks on your target

[gaunt moat]

what are you on about 😂

[compact sonnet]

let him cook

[uncut echo]

This is what everyone sounds like when they cook about this spec

[grim tangle]

I'm raiding tonight, I'm going to make us look worse don't worry

[uncut echo]

King shit

[gaunt moat]

make sure to not apply buzzing

[uncut echo]

Phial?

Never heard of em

[bronze pike]

@spice spire your thoughts?

[storm belfry]

[uncut echo]

Welcome Cyon

We missed you

[royal lantern]

good modern wow ability

makes big dmg and dwarfs the restr

will lead to degen play

has CDr

yes, thats a 2023 talent

[bronze pike]

its perfect for modern sin

[storm belfry]

[misty holly]

We should just go to the meaning of the word for inspiration. Exsanguinate is an uncontrolled bleed out. Make it a passive your bleeds never expire (until combat drops like SBS is).

[royal lantern]

i mean

a rupture wound is allready a bleeding that doesnt really stop and will kill you

[misty holly]

the expiration of your bleeds represent them clotting up or something, right? So makes sense if they dont clot they just never expire.

imagine how many additional Envenoms you could cast if you never have to refresh rupture or waste 50 energy on additional garrotes.

[royal lantern]

imagine assa gameplay if you didnt had to re-apply your dots

mut mut envenom

we are WotLK now guys

peak gameplay

[misty holly]

Dude I really liked classic wow haha

The closer we get to our roots the better

[cobalt hemlock]

spams frostbolt #1 in dmg

[spice surge]

Pretty close to current 10.0.7 frost mage ngl

[oak sky]

Never engage with anyone who wants to press 2 buttons for an entire fight

Pro tip

[uncut echo]

Stinky class :c

[drifting cosmos]

buff tomorrow?

[main blaze]

We are always 1 day away from a buff

[steel spire]

🙏🏾

[gaunt moat]

We are 1 expansion away from buff

[uncut echo]

sigh

[near valley]

buff buff buff

all you guys know how to ask for

how about ya'll go to the gym, get those buffs instead

(/s ofc)

[gaunt moat]

My muscles don't show up on damage meters unfortunetly

[mystic gate]

my grandma says im handsome idont need no gym

[orchid knot]

We no longer have vendetta?

Sorry, came back to rogue after a while ;D

[storm belfry]

Homie just came out the hyperbolic time chamber

[orchid knot]

sounds like F for vendetta

[spice spire]

Lil bro has to be stopped

[bronze pike]

rood

[balmy condor]

deathmark plays the exact same way, except it's way stronger and more thematic

you'll get used to it

[gaunt moat]

Just keep in mind Deathmarks is a bleed, and as such, affected by exsanguinate

[misty holly]

or stoneform... 😮‍💨

[eager solstice]

any idea on what embelishments we'll use for prog?

[royal lantern]

yes

[balmy condor]

The ones you got now

[eager solstice]

what will be your first crafted piece? or too early to tell?

[balmy condor]

Depends how easily I can craft a dagger

If I need a dagger, I get a dagger

Otherwise I’m upgrading my cowl/lariat

[spice surge]

Is lariat looking better than the shadowflame one for assa?

[balmy condor]

Yeh

The new embellishments seem pretty meh

But no sims

So

[tacit otter]

whispyr did you do any raidtesting?

[balmy condor]

I watched some vods

But I didn’t do it myself

[spice surge]

It is implemented in the sims, but ye not the sets

Its (unsurprisingly) incredibly strong for sub

[balmy condor]

Yeh I mean like we don’t have a full picture yet, the embellishment is in

But it’s like annulet

[near valley]

Seems pretty good for Law as well

[balmy condor]

If it’s raw damage, it’s just systematically worse for assa

[spice surge]

Yep

[sweet dawn]

As per usual big buff thingy is good for sub and outlaw but maybe probably not for assa

Assa bois make do

[near valley]

Sin can't handle it raw

Noted

[spice spire]

Going in raw is a sin tho

[drifting cloud]

I thought condoms were the sin

[spice spire]

That’s the lord’s protection

[ember mural]

[spice spire]

?

[uncut echo]

I wish someone would assassinate me

(Real)

[ember mural]

??????

[viscid spear]

I'll put the double ass in nate

[uncut echo]

Nice

That doesn't end my suffering though

[silk bane]

Ahri try Uber, I ordered one to come run me over. inshallah should be any minute now! cant wait

[uncut echo]

I have a 14 hour drive starting in 3 houes

[silk bane]

oh yeah no youre uh fucked. my thouths and prayers are with u

[pseudo rain]

when do you want to use your pot in the opener?

[tacit otter]

#assassination-faq message

[pseudo rain]

ty

[solar bramble]

pft if we had a way to increase bleed durations, or to double apply garrote/rupture to targets. hopefully both? life would be so much better

AoE extension not just ST

and for the love of god. let crimson tempest regenerate energy like our other bleeds

[uncut echo]

No

[solar bramble]

cry

[uncut echo]

That's a horrible idea

[solar bramble]

what don't like to be gcd capped

[uncut echo]

It's turns the class into a worse sub rogue

[solar bramble]

nah. we don't have much we can spend it on unlike sub lol. just more envenoms

[earnest remnant]

[solar bramble]

but fair enough.

[uncut echo]

Sin is the dot management spec

You're advocating for a one hit ignore all other dots

[solar bramble]

which by default needs to make us completely screwed in AoE?

[tacit otter]

thats one of the most cooked things i've read in some time

[earnest remnant]

dots does not make ones AoE useless

[uncut echo]

Look at feral

[solar bramble]

if everything is based on bleeds like rupture/garrote. we can't reliably apply them to the same amount of uncapped targets as others.

[uncut echo]

Look at afflock

Doesnt have to be uncapped

[solar bramble]

ya but ferals AoE rip and how it plays with the kit, actually works

and their main finisher also cleaves (bites)

[uncut echo]

We know feral is just better

[solar bramble]

feral plays closer to sub than energy on CT would

[earnest remnant]

having a shit way of applying them and having no real AoE finisher to gain benefits from the dots are

[uncut echo]

I'm glad to see you walking through the stages sin grief

Welcome to the server

[solar bramble]

move one talent from sub to sin. . . it would help alot

[uncut echo]

We've heard it all brubber

[solar bramble]

feral can apply their aoe bleeds in one skill (their CT version) and it interacts with the kit. CT for us has little to no kit interaction. no solid finisher in AoE. getting ruptures/garrotes out for adequate AoE rotation takes so long without indiscrimate carnage. sadge

I'd be more ok with our AoE bleeds being limited if we had the ST to justify it. . . we don't

[earnest remnant]

putting energy regen on CT wont do anything for that

Assa's design for AoE is dog

its outdated

and needs rework

[solar bramble]

no. it would just make it less of a limiting factor to get ruptures spread out when IC is on cd. though I'd just prefer something like replicating shadows over it. but they clearly don't want sin having that, or we'd have it (it's already designed and in a class tree)

[uncut echo]

We're a class stuck in cata

Barring a fundamental rework

No cooked take is gonns fix us in aoe

[solar bramble]

i mean just lower indiscrimante carnage cooldown would be a pretty good temporary bandaid. if a bit problematic

[uncut echo]

Again

Won't fix it

[solar bramble]

the afformentioned lock and shadow priest have their AoE dot application on a 30 second cd

and early in the tree. ours is capstone and 45 second

[uncut echo]

And their dots

Also fall off

Before the 30s are up

Just like ours

At 45

[solar bramble]

lock can keep corruption up indefinately. and shadow priest can extend theirs. the only slight limitation agony application for affliction. however they don't need to build combo points to use it

just apply

[uncut echo]

Again

You are arguing for an outdated, trash design

[solar bramble]

doesn't fix having no reliable AoE finisher though

[uncut echo]

There's not really any benefit cooking for a bandaid fix on a spec

[near valley]

Tbf Affs aoe is mostly seed spam

[uncut echo]

That is flawed

We need an overhaul to fix sin aoe

Akin to feral

[near valley]

Sin kinda needs a full witness protection program level identity change in its aoe

[uncut echo]

Which we aren't getting until 11.0 per Ion

[near valley]

He said that?

[uncut echo]

He stated no more classes are getting the ret / shadow treatment in DF

[past forum]

Rampant Ferocity for Envenom that also can proc poison bombs with each hit

[solar bramble]

my AoE is stronger than my sub whenever i have indiscriminate carnage available. but sooo much weaker when it isn't

[uncut echo]

Can't really copy paste stuff from other specs

[uncut echo]

You're playing sub wrong

[past forum]

I was meme’ing mostly

[solar bramble]

i'm talking 5-8 targets not uncapped.

[uncut echo]

Again

[near valley]

Still

[uncut echo]

Still playing it wrong

Sub aoe is fucking insane at 5-8

I do 200-250k every pack at 5-8

[solar bramble]

probably because I don't apply ruptures.

[near valley]

Sub's rupture does more damage than sins alone

[uncut echo]

"probably because I don't play the spec properly"

[solar bramble]

ya subs rupture gets 20% boost, hits 2 targets not 1, and has boost to shadow tree

that talent should be on sin

[near valley]

Kinda wierd to be advocating Sin aoe being stronger than Sub yet not actually doing Sub aoe right

[uncut echo]

Haha weird!

Happens ig

Bedge before my 14 hour drive, have fun boys

[tacit otter]

someone probably has one of the many whispyr rants saved, where he rants over people need to first think then type:)

would fit

[near valley]

Sounds like absolutely terrible

Enjoy

[uncut echo]

I'm leaving hell

(Missouri)

So it's a big w

[near valley]

Understandable

[tacit otter]

lets not hope destination is ohio

[uncut echo]

Pennsylvania

[near valley]

Was banking on Detroit tbh

[tacit otter]

is that good?

[uncut echo]

Lmaooo

Ye

[tacit otter]

W then

[uncut echo]

I won't be handed the death penalty for being me

W

[tacit otter]

Missouri a red state?

[uncut echo]

Missouri literally just passed genocidal legislature against trans people

With a fucking hotline to report people receiving gender affirming care

[tacit otter]

ye my gf told me about that. fucked up whats getting pushed through

[uncut echo]

Gn

[earnest remnant]

sub has a fair bit more amp on rupture than the 20% from RS

[uncut echo]

Shadow dance, dm stacks

Dark brew

Veil touched

[solar bramble]

symbols

[earnest remnant]

Darkbrew makes it turn into shadow dmg, thus its own 10% plus Deeper daggers + veil touched

[solar bramble]

as well

[uncut echo]

Finality

[earnest remnant]

subs rupture is cracked

[uncut echo]

I got a 55k rupture tick once

[solar bramble]

in ST rupture looks to be in the top 3-5 for my dps contribution. . . though I don't have any of the raid trinkets etc.

do you want to pandemic rupture during symbols and dance?

or do that outside dances

[tacit otter]

possibly ask that in #subtlety?

[uncut echo]

It doesnt snapshot

[earnest remnant]

outside. rupture doesent snapshot with dance+symbols

[uncut echo]

You want to have a finality rupture going into dance

And you fire symbols on cooldown

If you gain energy and don't waste

[solar bramble]

so long as you pandemic. rupture should always have a finality boost right? outside the first one

[uncut echo]

No

[solar bramble]

or is it just every other 1. consuming buff

[uncut echo]

Once you apply rupture with finality, a non finality rupture overwrites it losing 30% damage

[solar bramble]

oof, so let a finality rupture fall off. reapply a non boosted version, near pandemic you finality pandemic it then?

[uncut echo]

Meaning you have to reup before dance with finality

Not necessarily fall off. There's a bit of magic that goes into getting it going

You reup during pandemic

[solar bramble]

so don't treat it like other dots then. where you don't want to waste any duration

[uncut echo]

But you may refresh early based on luck with seal fate and weaponmaster

[earnest remnant]

quick little picture of what it looks like

[uncut echo]

Ye

Was gonna ping you

But that's perfect

[balmy condor]

I'm blind can you convert this to braille

[earnest remnant]

no feeling in hands cant proof braille it

[solar bramble]

makes perfect sense. the pandemic one lasts long enough for basically 2 dances. refresh with a weaker one after a dance, then pandemic it empowered before the next

[earnest remnant]

gonna answer this before its asked

[balmy condor]

[earnest remnant]

you dont put up small combo point ruptures

[earnest remnant]

swede flag

[balmy condor]

I don't have funny insert other nordic country flags

you're gonna have to live with it

maybe shiennar has a norway one

that's not really it

[solar bramble]

interesting. probably good you said it. I'd have assumed the 2 ruptures between dances might have. i'd have looked at the tiemer to see if you'd waste a lot doing it

[balmy condor]

I have 0 finland emotes

good

[upper breach]

how much damage are you guys getting in keys? like halls of valor for example

[balmy condor]

giga depends on the group and the week

anywhere from like 75 to 100 I guess

[earnest remnant]

reason why you dont, is its inefficient cdr from cps and you want a max pandemic rupture

[balmy condor]

usually in the 80's for random whatever keys

[upper breach]

hmm ok so im not doing too bad I guess for 407 ilvl

Im just used to my main's damage I guess

but just did a HoV and got 70k overall with a group that pulled like pugs

[balmy condor]

it's really hard to make a reference for how much you "should" be doing, and it's especially hard to do it for lower ilvl

like

[solar bramble]

that 1 rupture carrying through 2 dances looks to be very tight. at least for my present gear.

[balmy condor]

does your group have a warrior?

GG, you're doing almost 10% more damage now

that's not a given

[upper breach]

bm, devoker, blood, holy pal

[balmy condor]

I mean you don't have to tell me

I won't be able to do anything with that information

[upper breach]

I like expressing myself

[balmy condor]

but there's a billion different things that go into m+ damage

the only thing that matters at the end of the day is did you time the key, and did you do comparable to the other dps

if you did, pog

if you didn't, not pog

[upper breach]

but also one more question, is it worth using rupture to reapply a fallen off rupture in mass aoe with like 3-4 combo points or just press FOK again

[balmy condor]

depends on how long the adds are going to live for and if you need the energy or not

[upper breach]

gotcha, idk made sense to me since it seems long enough to last until another carnage

thanks for the answers homie

[balmy condor]

np

[upper breach]

Survival main out

[balmy condor]

you play survival

and you're asking about assa m+

do you have a fetish for playing dogshit specs or something

[distant helm]

mans playing on hardcore

[upper breach]

I like multidotting but sv doesnt multidot anymore

sv's fun bro know it like the back of my hand

[balmy condor]

speedrunning top 5 worst m+ specs any%

[upper breach]

what are the other 3, i'll level them now

[balmy condor]

uh, probably guardian druid, arcane mage, and dunno

[distant helm]

ele shaman probs

[upper breach]

i'll pass on those

[balmy condor]

yeah ele is pretty bad

[upper breach]

.1 sv with tier set we're prob not running any major cds so that's cool

[balmy condor]

our tier set requires us to run a major cd

and then gives us the bonus after we dump all our damage

so that's neat

[upper breach]

I see that but you made it make sense so ty

all I know is throw bomb

[silk bane]

ill have u know i have done keys this tier as sin/surv. one of those keys was a 25 AA with an ele and an enhance...

then blizz banned me for a week

they said they dont support self harm

😦

[balmy condor]

deserved ban tbh

[upper breach]

sv st (was) goated

the original mongoose nerf impacted the legion version then they fixed it a few weeks later

[silk bane]

dude on terros i played surv

[balmy condor]

what's the worst healer

[silk bane]

like early progression

[balmy condor]

is it disc

[silk bane]

and people were like how ar eu doing so much dmage

they didnt know the mongooooose bite tech

LOL

[balmy condor]

break the meta guardian druid, disc priest, ele arcane assassination

pog

[distant helm]

imagine arcane and ele in temple

[earnest remnant]

i did some assa keys a few weeks ago

[upper breach]

i had 2nd highest sv parse on heroic raz for a bit, of the 5 of us in existence

[earnest remnant]

whipped out a 105k smbg

[silk bane]

no no disc is actually good now, they dont have mana issues anymore, their damage is ass but then PI is too strong. 5% hp is also kinda insane in higher keys + decent extrernals. only issue is no kick/real cc

[earnest remnant]

was quite ok

[upper breach]

absolute gamer

[balmy condor]

spiderling check tho

[silk bane]

u just boon them ez

[earnest remnant]

like 3 mil dmg from PB

[balmy condor]

filthy padda

[earnest remnant]

funnel

[balmy condor]

cope

[earnest remnant]

single target finisher

[silk bane]

theres a reason they call me the

[upper breach]

So sin has an aoe problem right?

[balmy condor]

ye

[upper breach]

What do you guys think it would take to fix it

[balmy condor]

new talents in accessible places

or just a fundamental redesign of the spec in aoe

it's trying to do aoe through rupture, and garrote, and CT, and also poison bomb, and also reapplying poisons through fok

and it's doing none of them

and it also means the rotation makes no sense

it makes no difference to overall dps if you spam envenom in 8 target or CT

(if poison bomb can hit all 8 of course)

[upper breach]

And getting 1 cp from fan in aoe holy moly

[balmy condor]

it also makes little difference if you finish on 4 or 5 in that big of aoe because fok gives 1 point and everything is seal fate

multi-dotting for energy is a cool concept

which I really enjoy

[silk bane]

yo imagine if every envenom took lke a small % dmg from all your dots out there tiking and applied that to the envenom damage. giiiiiiiigggaaa sin funnel. LEMME COOOK

[balmy condor]

but you just press carnage, get everything out

and then you're like

okay now I press CT

and then I can do whatever I want

cause nothing I do matters anymore

[upper breach]

True true

[balmy condor]

and then like garrote damage is buffed from stealth, but it's not enough to actually make meaningful aoe burst with carnage

but it's also such an integral talent to the spec

so then everyone thinks it's huge

and causes a fuss about restealths

cause they think they need them

but they don't

because again, shit doesn't matter

[distant helm]

i miss echoing blades

[balmy condor]

a 50% buff on one half of the bleeds from your one of your almost 3 dozen carnages

[upper breach]

Trying to reapply garrotes sucks when they're all about to drop but its got a 6 sec cd

[balmy condor]

is so fucking irrelevant

it's actually crazy

[balmy condor]

I don't, that's equally dumb for other reasons

cause now you're just not using finishers at all

[distant helm]

spam fan of knives

[upper breach]

[balmy condor]

8.3 truly was the most degenerate assassination has ever been

[earnest remnant]

i played echoing in 8.2

we are not the same

[distant helm]

was 8.2 reaping?

i played it during reaping

[earnest remnant]

i watched seli streams

and copied him xD

[balmy condor]

I did some APL work in 8.3 with the giga crit and echoing blades

it never really amount to much

but I had sims where it used fok like 12 times in a row

and it was a gain

it was so fucking gross

[distant helm]

[balmy condor]

the entire sample log

all the way down

just fok

[distant helm]

put a stone on your fok key and go to get something to eat

[balmy condor]

overcapped like 65% of cp or something

[earnest remnant]

reminds me of some legion episode we had briefly

[upper breach]

It's weird most of the damage is bleed when we're a "master of poisons"

[balmy condor]

well it's master of poison and bleeds

but not a master of rupture, cause that's subs thing

so a master of poisons and garrote

but not 10.1 tier

cause that's specifically not garrote

[distant helm]

sub rupture

[balmy condor]

really it's a master of poisons, but you need the bleed for the energy and so you have something to do between refreshing your envenom at 3 seconds left for the 25th time in a minute

gotta love 100% uptime

[upper breach]

I love when the tank doesn't let me Stealth between pulls

[solar bramble]

that's actually hard. If a fight is spread out, i'd say evoker. If it's not in the hands of a mythic level player, disc hands down.

[balmy condor]

you mean dps gain?

[upper breach]

[balmy condor]

when tanks let me restealth on spiteful weeks

I actually want to choke them

[gaunt moat]

Gotta pull next pack when current one is on 0.1% hp

[balmy condor]

through my screen

it's so fucking slow

[balmy condor]

I mean that's when a tank has no clue what a chain pull is

[silk bane]

I stealth between pulls to be a sneaky spooky rogue u stealth for dps
We are not the same

[balmy condor]

garbage tank gonna garbage

[gaunt moat]

The Irony is that as sin we love huge pulls. But tanks usually drip 2-3 mobs, without letting us stealth and think they're being efficient

[upper breach]

I do appreciate with sin not having 3 macros to make one dps cd work properly

[gaunt moat]

At least incorporeal isn't gonna be spiteful 2.0

[balmy condor]

surely

[upper breach]

I'm just glad this seasonal affix is going away

[shut owl]

Best tank is when they keep spamming combat-removal stuff right before your IC comes up, as a means of chaining. Nothing is as fun as watching bleeds apply to... Nothing

[steel ridge]

What?

[brazen zodiac]

huh

[austere fulcrum]

Nani??!

[echo heath]

Come again?

[heady island]

Hey guys. Am I correct in that since the annulet is 1.5-2% stronger than the next best ring right now, it will obviously be the best ring (if not nerfed) going into next patch, but will be replaced very quickly? I’m an AOTC raider but I play a lot of m+. So I am basically wondering if I should spend the time on getting the ring just for prog or if I should spend my time elsewhere.

[deft flicker]

#tc-research message

Here is some info on what ilvl stat rings need to overtake annulet. Unless nerfed you’d use it until season 3, maybe even 4

[heady island]

Oh dang didn’t look there, thank you. Then I’ll have a look and sounds like it’s on the priority list.

🙏🏻

[drifting cloud]

only takes 1-2h to farm out unless you get really unlucky, can be even faster if you have 70 alts because you can just send keys to your main

[heady island]

Yeah I know, I have some of the gems already just getting tight on time and trying to prioritise 🙂 thank you both

[true basalt]

Do you guys think sin is gonna be better than its current state next season?

[balmy condor]

it's worse with current tuning

[true basalt]

So i still gotta play a degen spec??

No hate for sub players

[balmy condor]

if you want to play melee, you play ret

every other melee spec is severely undertuned

[royal lantern]

if you want to be good, you play no melee at all with the current tuning on ptr

[true basalt]

There’s a thing i hate in any video game and thats platers/buffy melee classes (like bruisers and skirmishers in lol)

If the melee aint an assassin , bye bye

[balmy condor]

well

fotm atm is ret or ranged

so

[vestal wren]

ret and dk might be outliners

[balmy condor]

dk def not

[true basalt]

Monk top dps tho 🤣

[vestal wren]

do they get nerfs in 10.1?

[balmy condor]

ye

[vestal wren]

oh rip

[true basalt]

Tank damage

[vestal wren]

well then ret only

[true basalt]

Like… not even sub/outlaw??

[balmy condor]

those are melee specs that are not ret

[true basalt]

Honestly, playing a non-meta spec shouldnt even be that much of an issue under 20 at least. Ofc u can go higher, but its not that necessary. If it werent for the m+ community which asks for meta classes even in 16, i think everyone would be at least more satisfied with their black sheep class

[balmy condor]

thats why you only m+ with guildies

[vestal wren]

people make stupid requirements for every content

it isn't only meta classes, you also need to have a high r.io to apply to a 16 even

[oak sky]

dh brings a raid buff so its pretty good

💀

[vestal wren]

rogue brings a raid buff too, atrophic poison

[slim drift]

There are degrees of non meta as well

I don't think there's a chance in hell all three rogue specs would be actually not meta not meta

[oak sky]

no damage on that guy just stack more warlocks they can live anything

[slim drift]

In general in m+ you just need a somewhat rounded out team comp, which can consist of almost any spec, but sometimes a couple are actually dead

In raid if you're just doing bosses with mega gear after nerfs you can probably get by with whatever

[upper breach]

Try pugging as survival trust me they'll love you

[slim drift]

I've spent like 50 hours in lfg as rogue not getting invited over the past week XD

Then again it's just a dps thing

A bit easier to get into organized groups and guilds, but infinitely harder to pug than tank or healer

[upper breach]

I've found more often than not if you can play a spec well that's considered "bad" you will top dps in an average pug group, everyone loves their tier lists

[shy dust]

Hello

[true basalt]

I mean there’s this rogue Zerocool, ended with 151k dps in algethar and im wondering… those guys who decline me on 16 keys just for focus farm will never reach that

Is there any addon which shows you what spec someone is when applying? Cuz i swear, if i play sub, i get insta invited

[slim drift]

Yup

[true basalt]

Whats the name? Maybe i can avoid holy priests

[upper breach]

finally get into group
"oh you're a survival hunter"
kicked from group

[true basalt]

Villain arc

[slim drift]

There are a few, I use premade group filter and I think it also shows specs? Maybe it's some other thing

I use it to filter groups

[true basalt]

Oh i use that too but it only tells you about people in a current party

[upper breach]

They don't know sv m+ build pumps in ST

[royal lantern]

"that was the moment when i saw the true darkness of the human spirit, that 1time when i got kicked from a pug group in world of warcraft for not fitting into the status quo, thats when i decided that this entire world must be cleansed and re-build again, with me at the top as its glorius leader that will lead us to a nee age"

or something like that

[true basalt]

Indeed

The black sheep specs will unite and tear down the world

[jade abyss]

Pls remove hunter first

Then the rest except tank and heals

World of Roguecraft

[open reef]

Most funny thing with "Blue posts for all Classes and specs tuning"
Death knight, druid, evoker ... scroll down .... palladin, priest ... shaman

[red atlas]

anyone knows if assasination on the dumpster for next patch?

[serene fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/fortune-teller-crystall-ball-psychic-clairvoyant-gif-5100696

[jade abyss]

What are the less played classes atm ?

[raven knoll]

bonk

[balmy condor]

in what situation

[jade abyss]

M+ and raid

Monk makes sense for me in m+ bcs in all my keys this season i meet 3 different monks x)

[scarlet orbit]

In M+ you can easy get the statistic from raider io

this is for 20+ keys

[shrewd night]

DK/Sham/mage

Kinda surprising

[timid idol]

Only one shaman spec was being brought for most of s1

And DK + mage need to be played around

[jade abyss]

So many warriors

Btw is there a reason why so many rets are there atm?

[scarlet orbit]

if you would go 25+ its chances a alot

[jade abyss]

Never see a holy paladin in m+

[timid idol]

Ret got buffed and is super strong

Also prot is amazing

[scarlet orbit]

they got a whole rework at ret

[timid idol]

Most of the warriors are carryover prot

Dps warriors aren’t seen much at high levels

[timid idol]

Though they certainly exist

[scarlet orbit]

that is 25+

[jaunty phoenix]

its going to be the go-to spec for rogues in the new raid for most of the fights.

[blazing jewel]

🧢

[balmy condor]

[blazing jewel]

tuning patches every other day but dont worry its 100% the best spec

[royal lantern]

we reached the "pure delusion" stage of coping

[balmy condor]

I mean with current tuning he's hard trolling

[jaunty phoenix]

i dont even play assa

[balmy condor]

[blazing jewel]

it doesnt matter what you play it doesnt change that nobody knows what will be best

but its still asked every 10 minutes

[subtle tundra]

It's OK I kinda want to be benched

😊

[blazing jewel]

none of the tuning is finalized its guesses at best

[royal lantern]

because @balmy condor doesnt make a offical rogue tierlist

[blazing jewel]

rogue sims arent even done yet

[balmy condor]

I wish I could say wrong things and then just go "yeah I don't play this spec"

[jaunty phoenix]

even if sub or outlaw do comprable ST dmg the dot playstyle reduces downtime and the 2x atrophic/numbing will make it the go-to for progress

[balmy condor]

????????????????????

aight

you gotta be fucking with me

right

[blazing jewel]

these takes

[balmy condor]

there's no way

[subtle tundra]

Yes let me talent both atrophic and numbic

[hollow dirge]

😂😂

[strange niche]

This guys high as fuck

[hollow dirge]

I mean that’s cool, not many better coping tehniques 😂😂

[jaunty phoenix]

🙂

[deft flicker]

You have #outlaw to do that

[subtle tundra]

Thank God I don't frequent this place anymore I'd eat chlorine

[hollow dirge]

This, but stealthed

[jaunty phoenix]

i'm open to hear explanations other than current tunning

[balmy condor]

bro

[blazing jewel]

you said it would be the best

[balmy condor]

you just suggested we take both choices

on a choice node

[marble hemlock]

How do you plan on using both atrophic and numbing?

[balmy condor]

I don't know how to explain to you that you're wrong when you just do not have a foundational grasp of the class

[subtle tundra]

I bet he doesn't even play rogue

Considering what he said

[vestal wren]

just bring 2 rogues

[subtle tundra]

Cause it's class tree shit

[vestal wren]

2 rogue spots secured

[balmy condor]

like

I don't know where to begin

[blazing jewel]

15% attack speed slow or a rally

[balmy condor]

with an explanation

I can't sketch out the argument in my head because there's just so many things to refute

[blazing jewel]

whispyrs head smells like burning rn

[hollow dirge]

Yeah, numbing in raids just straight amazing😂

[marble hemlock]

And just because the spec has dots, doesn't mean it suffers less from uptime issues, when a large share of it's damage are from melee and the resulting poison procs.

[jaunty phoenix]

remove the poison argument

[timid idol]

No

[royal lantern]

allright: first of all, sub does the same dmg with dots than assa, and this entire "hur dur not punished for downtimes cus dots" thing was always stupid and not a thing, put both bleeds on your target and walk away, thats the "insane downtime dot dmg"

2nd, assa can also only take atrophic or numbing? its a chose 1talent lol

[subtle tundra]

And nowadays it can't even pool that well from downtime cause we always have energy

[marble hemlock]

Yep

[balmy condor]

aight so without the poison argument, your main argument is dot = better downtime, which would be fine, if it was as slow as it was 2 expansions ago

but it's not

you're gonna waste energy

[jaunty phoenix]

the new raid has mechanics that will make uptime for melees very difficult

[balmy condor]

and our main damage is, as per usual

auto attacks

and envenoms

[royal lantern]

yes, and assa is equaly fucked as everyone else there?

[balmy condor]

that's where we get our damage from

[jaunty phoenix]

isnt assa less fucked?

[balmy condor]

less fucked is relative though

[blazing jewel]

you have 10+ rogue mains disagreeing with you but you still hold your ground lol

[jaunty phoenix]

im not diasgreeing

[royal lantern]

like, great, my 2dots tick for 3k dmg each, great, insane 6k dmg every 2seconds

[jaunty phoenix]

im discussing

thats why im here

[balmy condor]

less fucked is like you're drowing 20 meters under the ocean

[blazing jewel]

its not a discussion when you said "sin will be best for the raid"

[balmy condor]

versus 21 meters

you're still drowning

in both situations

[marble hemlock]

You're not discussing. You stated 2 things as matter of fact, when they are in fact not true

[jaunty phoenix]

sometimes u gotta do that to spark a conversation like this and as a result—learn.

anyways from what ive seen on the ptr

assa is the go-to for most raid fights

no?

[balmy condor]

no

[marble hemlock]

No

[royal lantern]

no

[solar bramble]

or just ask. they'll respond the same way but with less hostility

[balmy condor]

no no no no nono no no no nono no no no nono no no no nono no no no nono no no no nono no no no nono no no no nono no no no nono no no no nono no no no nono no no no nono no no no nono no no no no

[blazing jewel]

have you not read any of the rogue channels for the past week

[royal lantern]

outlaw does more st dmg than the st focused spec on the ptr rn

[balmy condor]

this also makes you a lot of enemies very fast

[royal lantern]

assa is bad

[balmy condor]

just btw

[solar bramble]

sin is the weakest rogue spec right?

[balmy condor]

correct

[jaunty phoenix]

i dont care about enemies, you guys are snowflakes

[royal lantern]

DF moment

[solar bramble]

it's a dumbed down feral (feral used to be budget rogue, now sin is budget feral)

[balmy condor]

ah there it is

[blazing jewel]

how toxic are we allowed to be

[jaunty phoenix]

u can toxic as much as u want

[random fossil]

its fine guys they will tune us before next week right

🙂

[royal lantern]

its Shiv now, toxicblade is gone

[jaunty phoenix]

i doubt that for mythic progress assa is not the go-to next raid

[subtle tundra]

It always ends up with the new guy thinking he is always right

[jaunty phoenix]

barring bad tunning

[solar bramble]

you're in the wrong discord if you're basically suggesting people can be toxic.

[marble hemlock]

Whether or not you doubt it, doesn't change the actual reality of things

[jaunty phoenix]

toxic to me

cause im not being toxic

so

xd

[subtle tundra]

You can't just say that. It eliminates all reason to have a conversation

[royal lantern]

and why?

the current state is "assa is down BAD" thats all the information we have rn

[strange niche]

is this guy

[blazing jewel]

@marble hemlock can I get a pass to be toxic

[subtle tundra]

If assa gets buffed it will be better

Ofc dude

[royal lantern]

^

[hollow dirge]

Even if it is, it’s a minor difference, as the spec changed to having a lot of energy, so pooling on downtime is actually an energy waste. the fact you have 0 aoe burst on demand always makes you bad for any fight that adds an add or 3 to it, there are better execute specs, there are much better cleave specs, there are fuckton better on demand aoe specs.
We bring athropic though. Which is crap, and sub kinda brings it too😂

[subtle tundra]

You talk about what's happening now what can happen

[jaunty phoenix]

yea but i said for most fights

not all

[solar bramble]

sin is probably just outclassed by most other specs on nearly every fight this tier. definately by sub

[jaunty phoenix]

it doesnt sound reasonable that blizz lets sub and outlaw do more single target than assa

[solar bramble]

resonable or not that's how it is

[jaunty phoenix]

yeah but this tier was very cleave/aoe heavy

it was perfect for sub/outlaw

next one isnt

[blazing jewel]

hey matz

[timid idol]

Dude is just throwing around nonsense

[blazing jewel]

can you look at terros logs for me

[solar bramble]

i'm talking single target. sin is still around the same as the others. sub may just be outright stronger ST than sin

[blazing jewel]

and tell me what rogue specs are on top

[timid idol]

Moving goalposts constantly

[jaunty phoenix]

yeah right now even outlaw

[subtle tundra]

We have seen a stable 0 changes so far

[jaunty phoenix]

does more single target than assa

xd

[timid idol]

Okay he’s trolling lol

[random fossil]

yeah and we're gonna get so many changes before next week

[balmy condor]

!mute @jaunty phoenix 3h next time you come into the channel don't bait people by spouting misinformation, we don't need that energy in here. Take the time to read up on some of the data and arguments

[random fossil]

🙂

[blazing jewel]

bless whispyr

[hollow dirge]

Don’t spew lies. Did you see that death from above change? Big!

[solar bramble]

lol

[timid idol]

The man actually called us snowflakes in 2023

[solar bramble]

it's just the standard statement when someone wants to be rude and others don't agree/allow it

[subtle tundra]

Uh we get less healing while in shadow dance

[hollow dirge]

😂😂

[blazing jewel]

I get the concern people have over their spec being good or bad for next tier but to double down and state nonsense after so many people say youre wrong

my head

[solar bramble]

most other classes got a 25% healing nerf. . . . we got a 30% healing nerf lol

[marble hemlock]

In terms of raw healing, you actually get more

[solar bramble]

on % heals*

[marble hemlock]

Just saying

[subtle tundra]

Math is math ig

[solar bramble]

relative to health it's lower :(.

[marble hemlock]

It went from 30 to 24, no?

[solar bramble]

ya.

[marble hemlock]

That's not a 30% reduction

[solar bramble]

20% :(. i'm bad at maths

2am + maths = bad . . . add me in the mix and it's worse

[deft flicker]

Looks like a bedge angle

[solar bramble]

more like back to messing around with the real assassiantion rogue (feral)

lol

and a little more sub later

[jade abyss]

The lord has spoken

But he was still believing

[indigo totem]

sub will go back to the end of the line as it has for every expac, it shines, then it gets the nerf bat, I'd trade outlaw for a tank spec at this point, just without bucklers

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/hk-hkgaming-justarichard-channelrichnews-h2da4thpower-gif-25752805

glorius 2fps gif

[heavy bridge]

Hey guys, I've been checking out assa rogue a little over the weekend. Is it just me, or is it rather difficult to play?
I feel similarly overwhelmed as I did first trying outlaw. It seems like there are way too many buttons to press and things to consider

[true basalt]

Here u go

[royal lantern]

@cunning needle yoooo, you pumping hard

[balmy condor]

there is a lot of button bloat, but it's pretty straight forward honestly

everything on cooldown

and you're like 95% of the way there

[true basalt]

Just make sure to keep dots up, before i got used to sin’s playstyle, my dots would run off without me refreshing them , losing a lot of dps

[heavy bridge]

When standing at the dummy I was energy starved quite quickly is that normal?

[balmy condor]

yep

well

"quite"

bit relative

but yeah, you should be running out of energy

[royal lantern]

assa has energy downtimes

its way WAY less of a thing in DF (ffs blizz), but yeha, its normal

[true basalt]

Imagine if sin had insane energy regen in ST …

[balmy condor]

like it does now

[heavy bridge]

What I mean is that there are phases where I'm just waiting for energy ... Do I need to manage it more that I have to on sub?

[true basalt]

No i mean, having no energy downtime. Like none at all🤣

[cunning needle]

look ma! i'm famous

[balmy condor]

no, the spec is just slower

[heavy bridge]

Sub has barely any downtime 😅

[cunning needle]

could have r1 as well but i fucked up a few globals

reeeee.

[balmy condor]

I mean it wouldn't do much honestly

envenom is nearing 100% uptime already

there's not really much more to get out of it

sims have assa at 54-55 apm

it's basically maxed out already

[heavy bridge]

Alright, thanks.
I might give it another try and work on getting used to it. It seems like assa is gonna be decent next season

[balmy condor]

not with current tuning it ain't

idk why people keep thinking assa is going to be good

when every piece of information out there says the opposite

[heavy bridge]

Really? I figured the raids are more single target, thus assa will pull ahead

[sweet dawn]

ST boss = ST spec good!!1?!?1?1!

[strange niche]

All this delusion tonight

[cunning needle]

because all the sub/outlaw monkeys think their spec is bad so they that assi must be good

[heavy bridge]

Haha, you got me 😂

[balmy condor]

yeah if assa were the best spec in single target maybe

but it isn't

so

[sweet dawn]

We're meant to be the ST spec but Sub and Outlaw do better in ST and definitely better is cleave-aoe

[heavy bridge]

I just don't like outlaw and sub isn't really that much fun. So I am checking assa out atm

[sweet dawn]

But fuck it we ball

[cunning needle]

whats not fun about sub?

/outlaw

[balmy condor]

generator spam specs

[cunning needle]

isnt that all rogue spec?

[balmy condor]

it isn't 40% of assassination damage

yet.

[cunning needle]

lmao

[balmy condor]

don't wanna give them any ideas

[heavy bridge]

Outlaw is fun in theory. I like the very active play style. But it's way too rng for my taste.
And sub is just kinda boring 🤷🏻‍♂️

[cunning needle]

yeah thats fair

sub rotation is static af

[royal lantern]

assa overall gameplay is the same since forever, nothing really changed except 2-3 more buttons you use on CD and forget that they exist

[cobalt hemlock]

@balmy condor would you say the unholy buffs were just to balance out them losing puzzle? my friend claimd they are dependant on it

[heavy bridge]

I don't mind that it's the same, if it's at least fun. 😄
Obliterate Frost DK has been very similar for as long as I know, too. But it's fun

[balmy condor]

no

[royal lantern]

i didnt mean that as a negative point lol

its more like, if you ever played assa from legion until now, the gameplay is more or less the same with only some really small changes here and there

[heavy bridge]

Last time I played assa was during wotlk 😂

So, it's been a minute

[cobalt hemlock]

thought same didnt want to argue with him. thanks

[shrewd night]

https://tenor.com/view/metal-gear-rising-metal-gear-rising-revengeance-senator-armstrong-revengeance-i-made-it-the-fuck-up-gif-25029602

[royal lantern]

lol, whisp didnt unlock his future vision allready

[balmy condor]

maybe I just start agreeing with everyone

much easier that way

[marble hemlock]

its like

a remnant of legion still

where assa was actually the king of ST for a fair amount of time

and to this day, even though its been over half a decade at this point, people think that assa is somehow a good ST spec

[odd dew]

Do we shine at anything

[balmy condor]

we shine at being the best spec to reroll into outlaw

[shrewd night]

Looking cute

[marble hemlock]

we shine at being able to use 2poisons. whether or not that actually translates into that being beneficial, is a different story entirely

but yeah, i guess people just assume "spec can only do ST; so it must be doing good st" and in a normal world, that'd actually be accurate, but alas

[subtle tundra]

We are the 2t kings

Right guys

Omg cleave

Better spec assa

[deft flicker]

Dodging patchnote mentions, dooming for prolonged periods of time, extra poisons, hmmm… being the least dependent on the onyx ring of all rogue specs

[marble hemlock]

i mean, rogue is gonna be fine next tier still. not great, but not terrible either

id reckon most guilds will play 1 rogue, maybe even 2

[spice surge]

Puzzle is still pretty much bis for unholy next tier so

[deft flicker]

Agree, but currently there’s no reason to pick sin over the other two

Rogue is still a solid prog class

[royal lantern]

you want 2rogues, cus then you dont have 2warriors that play floor PoV all the time

srsly ,whats up with warriors beeing dead ALL THE TIME

[deft flicker]

Well, flooriors doing floorior things

[blazing jewel]

They got a lot of good defensives in dragonflight too

[gusty mirage]

Our other rogue is swapping warlock

#foreveralone

[marble hemlock]

you talking about yourself and blackvneck?

[gusty mirage]

No

I wish

Destro is so fun man

Like imagine pushing 1 button and cleaving an ability that does 120k

[subtle kiln]

why not swap?

[cunning nest]

I would say overall not, but I consider the opener hard. Other than arcane, I dont know Any spec with an opener that long and that many Buttons. Took me a few weeks until I was able to do it fluidly

After that it's gettin easier, but I totally geht why it seems complicated at first

[heavy bridge]

Yeah, I guess it's the opener that's kinda mind-fucky, for someone trying the spec out

Other than that it just seems like reapplying dots, with some twists here and there (like vanish garrote)

[cunning nest]

Yeah and I think it depends on which spec you are used to. When you played sonething like havoc or Bm before, well then sin surely seems complicated

[uncut echo]

Yeah, that'a kinda it.

[heavy bridge]

I mostly played outlaw and sub before. Recently frost DK, which is insanely easy in comparison to any rogue spec, as my only second char.

[cunning nest]

Yeah fdk is much more simple and I like it for that reason. Its harder, but give assa a shot in m+. Can be very fun as well 🙃

[heavy bridge]

AOE assa seemed even more complicated than ST assa 😅😂

[cunning nest]

It is 😂
But carnage made it easier imo

[heavy bridge]

I guess I need to wait for tuning updates on assa. It would suck to put in all the effort now, if assa will be trash in S2 😬

[shy mica]

I don't mind aoe sin with multidotting and shrouded etc, but could use something for burst aoe

But when u swap to sub and do a couple of dungeons, it's a pretty stark difference

And it doesn't feel rewarding to aoe sin imo

[hallow sonnet]

I'd think assa would be better if pulls were a bit different. Longer living mobs.
But first the issue would need to be fixed that... it doesn't really matter what finisher you press as assa in AoE - they are just neutral

So there's some direction and anchor

[cunning nest]

Yeah, when you play sin, you play it for fun.

But the issue isnt tuning, its Design. Let's See how long we can wait for that. And even then... Hopefully they keep the positives like the small amount of RNG

[heavy bridge]

Well, I stopped paying outlaw because I was incapable of doing the damage I should have been doing. Because of some weirdness I still don't understand, after analysing the shit out of what I did and need to do.

And if assa is significantly worse compared to sub, then I will suffer the same thought of "I am not pulling my weight and I should be doing better" it's stressful and sucks the fun out really quickly

Even if the Playstyle is fun

[cunning nest]

Yeah it Sounds like sub is the choice for you

In the end, the only reason sin works for me is because its fun

And That's the most important factor when choosing a spec for 99.9% of the people

[heavy bridge]

It's for me as well. But I'm a little competitive and cannot stand being hamstringed by the choice of spec, although I'll stick to rogue because I just like the class as a whole a lot.

[cunning nest]

Yeah and I wish you the Best for that my dude

Hopefully we meet again here with joy about how cool sin rogue has become.. Some Day 🙃
Rogue is rare, but its cool

[heavy bridge]

I hope so, too 🙂
Thanks for your time!

[burnt star]

Our other rogue is swapping to ret.

[royal lantern]

because ret is how sub is supposed to be

and sub rn is outlaw

and outlaw is a abomination

and assa is trash

[pure moth]

i wish i was the only rogue.. most guilds ive been in start with 3, 1 rerolls eventually

[uncut echo]

Wild

[shrewd night]

We had two rogues. One quit. One rerolled. And someone rerolled into rogue.

[uncut echo]

I'm keeping my rogue up incase anything happens

But arms is calling me

And I will answer

[shrewd night]

Same

[royal lantern]

why are you not saving that poor soul

oh wait, its shiennar, you enjoy the self inflicted suffering

[uncut echo]

I mean

Some people enjoy outlaw

[shrewd night]

NOT. FALSE.

[uncut echo]

And it's going to be the prog spec rn

[royal lantern]

Outlaw can prog dn

[uncut echo]

Arm dn

[shrewd night]

Meow dn

[uncut echo]

I cant wait to hit my first 500k ms

I'll nut

[shrewd night]

Cant wait for @spice spire to meow while he gargles

[spice spire]

HUH

[uncut echo]

Uhhhhh?

SHIEN?

HUH?

[shrewd night]

[uncut echo]

That's some demented shit I dm my egirl

NOT WHAT YOU POST IN SIN

[spice spire]

That’s illegal in my guild sir

[uncut echo]

HAHAHAHA

[shrewd night]

Hey mami

You said it

Sin

So we have to be sinful

[uncut echo]

I refuse to call it assa.

[marble hemlock]

thats exactly what the assa channel is

[uncut echo]

It's either ass or sin.

Both are acceptable.

[marble hemlock]

quake is secretly an uwu catboi who pees on the floor when hes unhappy

[uncut echo]

I fucking stan this

[spice spire]

Y’all wildin this am

[shrewd night]

But we aint lying

[marble hemlock]

you mean spitting facts?

[spice spire]

Kinda Lyin tho

I ain’t ever meowed in my life

[shrewd night]

Ok fair, you piss on the floor regardless of the mood

[spice spire]

True

[marble hemlock]

thats why hes waiting for it

[gray crest]

[uncut echo]

I actually heard it tho?

🤔

[royal lantern]

because you say ~NYAAAA instead?

[spice spire]

[uncut echo]

I've nya'd unironically

[spice spire]

Batman couldn’t beat that out of me

[uncut echo]

But I could

[spice spire]

[viscid spear]

[uncut echo]

Ash knows

As do I

[spice spire]

Im actually ?

[uncut echo]

(We're gaslighting you)

I woke up and chose violence

[viscid spear]

Quake having a backyard bbq with all the gaslighting going on

[uncut echo]

Back to driving, see y'all aoon

[spice spire]

[spice spire]

Me tn

[viscid spear]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-typing-cat-typing-fire-fire-gif-25782287

Me tn fr

[uncut echo]

Pray for me as I finish driving throigh Oh*o :c

[spice spire]

Idk if I can key tonight but if I can I’ll ping you mick

The forbidden state

[viscid spear]

I just want to not be bad at Fire

[spice spire]

You do nothing until you bust and then you’re going wicked

[gray crest]

It's all about doing the right things in combust and then getting an skb proc and not wasting it these days

Fuck skb

[spice spire]

Oh yeah skb

[gusty mirage]

sounds like me visiting your pops

[spice spire]

#off-topic message

[gusty mirage]

I don't like the new discord links

[spice spire]

Yeah me neither

It’ll take time but we’ll get there

[swift magnet]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[dark token]

Why do people hate skb

Isn't it the same legendary from SL and legion

That always been good

[near valley]

Cause the playstyle is too tight

[royal lantern]

numbers yes, gameplay no lol

[near valley]

Hardcasting pyro ain't ever it tbh

[uncut echo]

If you want wish.com help with fire

I'd be glad to help sometime

I pushed keys as a firemage all of SL and it ain't too different

[fading wigeon]

fire has annoyingly morphed into an uptime spec

I hate skb

[fading wigeon]

too punishing

[near valley]

I miss me some living bomb action as well

[gray crest]

Living bomb use to be so good but they nerfed the damage so fucking much that it's basically useless I less there's an incredibly large amount of mobs

[near valley]

Has to be like 20 mobs or something nutty

[royal lantern]

ye, pull sizes that simply are not a real thing

[fading wigeon]

to sum up, fire is absolutely awful to play, but blizzard doesnt have time to fix it, so they will just keep buffing numbers

and I will be forced to play it, because we dont have any other mage lol

[royal lantern]

hey, remove the "buff numbers" part, and i know that story from somewhere!

[fading wigeon]

lol as a lover of assassination, I feel the pain

[jade abyss]

What is skb?

[grim jay]

it could be pretty nice if rather than skb there was something that got stacks to buff the actual combustion

but fire and sub got treatment that isnt too different tbf

both got moved away from their "strong" burst windows into frequent smaller bursts

with a more consistent profile

[brazen rampart]

sun king's blessing

[gusty mirage]

this is how you know sin rogue is down bad

we're talking about fire mage in here

[brazen rampart]

you get a mini combust on a hard-cast pyro after consuming X crits (i think? not 100% sure on the condition)

[gusty mirage]

ye sounds about right

[jade abyss]

Ah mage stuff im out

[grim jay]

I'm down bad aswell. dont know if I should play my arms/prot or my dk. I refuse to play fury tho

[royal lantern]

wanna talk about horse cocks again instead

[gusty mirage]

would you be fine with off-tanking stuff like keys or whatever?

[brazen rampart]

it beats mage talk ngl

[gusty mirage]

[near valley]

Ignite I'd basically a bleed so fire is basically sin that casts

[gusty mirage]

doomblade works like ignite does

[royal lantern]

wait, you missed that arc

[deft flicker]

Imagine a horse with a cock’s head

[grim jay]

https://tenor.com/view/one-big-horse-cock-ryan-vaughan-angry-gif-16428601

[grim jay]

wdym offtanking? 😄

[gusty mirage]

like not being a main tank vibe

so you don't hate your life 2 weeks into the season when everyone's bugging you to do keys

[brazen rampart]

offspec tanking when the homies need you

[grim jay]

yeah dont mind that