assassination

[empty hinge]

It’s kinda strange tho up until 10.0.5 realz was doing a really good job

On rogue/dh

Idk what happened

[serene fossil]

Maybe he

Cosplaying a rog rn

[deft flicker]

Blizz seem to be very short-staffed now, so maybe Realz is needed elsewhere

[empty hinge]

I remember guy asking him something about the tier set in outlaw he didn’t even answer and he was in the channel

Full gigachad

[serene fossil]

He actually said “idk if im answering” b4 tho

[empty hinge]

Oh

[serene fossil]

#outlaw message

[empty hinge]

I c

[serene fossil]

Im not blaming him even a tiny bit

Its b4 patch release, got to do enough shit

And if hes in the fucking poe chat whatever, he needs time off fucking work aswell

[empty hinge]

No one is

[royal lantern]

y'all really stalk the poor guy like crazy

[serene fossil]

Some idiots are crying about nothing heard of him

[serene fossil]

I just heard about the poe shit in here somewhere

Fuck me, moroes in my dms again

[subtle tundra]

imagine if instead of the 20 spriest reworks assa got some love

[serene fossil]

[empty hinge]

Varas

[subtle tundra]

[serene fossil]

Very distinguished gentlefish

[brazen lantern]

Was he tho

[empty hinge]

How exsang rework varas

[subtle tundra]

man i been a member of ravenhodldl since 2018

[empty hinge]

Yes

[brazen lantern]

Wouldnt call dh tree good

[serene fossil]

Afaik he substituted for dh or smth

Smth was said back then idk for sure tho

[brazen lantern]

He was doing dh since beta so idk

[serene fossil]

[brazen lantern]

But that doesnt really change the fact

[empty hinge]

Pretty sure atm blizzard are kinda short staffed

[serene fossil]

I dont know anything anymore

[serene fossil]

Yup

[royal lantern]

me irl

[serene fossil]

Sameeee

[drifting cosmos]

another week of Copium

[hardy dagger]

[thin imp]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[thin imp]

!whyspir

😄

[serene fossil]

Swap i and y for the name

[grim jay]

You can read above your comment that its to equal out the Player HP changes where % HP heals keep being as good while non % heals lose mucho value

While they overall intended to reduce selfhealing

[flint tusk]

Finally! A bloody vault i can use!

[grim jay]

The only thing that gets me out of 418 dagger Club is 10.1

#wowheadnews message
Woooooh

[serene fossil]

Making rwf guilds not cheese that hard

[grim jay]

Its probably irrelevant to 99.9% of the people

[flint tusk]

yeh, and honestly they was moaning about how "hard they had to push" this tier for gear.
so if they now moan about this it's just pathetic

[rocky ruin]

For blizz staff i think that home office is way to go, but riot games got hit too

I don't want to drive 2 hours to work, cause i dont go paid for the 2 hours of driving and living cost where blizzard is high iirc

[royal lantern]

isnt it in the middle of california?

not an expert about the living costs in the US, but iirc its astronomical high

@balmy condor yo, isnt that your turf?

[rocky ruin]

Yeah there salary doesn’t cover everything and some want to stay with there family at home

[grim jay]

Just

Get paid better

https://tenor.com/view/skillissue-skill-issue-gif-22125481

[balmy condor]

Irvine a bit cheaper than where I live

My city has a poverty line of 108k a year

Below that and you’re deemed poor by the local government

Irvine probably can knock like 20% off

But it’s bad yeah

[serene fossil]

108k/y b4 or after tax?

[balmy condor]

To put it in german terms, I live in innenstadt berlin, and you’re basically asking me how bad münchen is

Like they’re both bad

One is worse

[balmy condor]

Before obviously wtf

[serene fossil]

One is worse a lot tho

Munich is 500% more elitist cunts

[balmy condor]

108k after tax is like a wage 145k before are you insane

[grim jay]

Just googled, in germany its 15000 euro a year after taxes

[serene fossil]

🥲

[grim jay]

[serene fossil]

Us got 9k b4 tax

A month

Wtf

[balmy condor]

Well that’s country wide

Country wide america is probably lower than that

[serene fossil]

the shithole youre talking about is too close to germany nation wide tho

Thats a bad shithole

[balmy condor]

I’m talking my very very very specific area near San Francisco

They’re not comparable

[grim jay]

19920 a year in munich

[balmy condor]

Shithole

Yep

Anyways I’m going back to sleep

[serene fossil]

bro im making 15k a year

Wtf

Im poooooor

[serene fossil]

Sleep well richie rich

[balmy condor]

I make less money than you

[serene fossil]

[grim jay]

Not wanna flex but I made that as a trainee

[serene fossil]

Im a trainee

[grim jay]

[serene fossil]

Non trainee of my job is more than 2x

[balmy condor]

I work 25 hours a week going to school soon

Yep

Aight fuck you job having hoes

[grim jay]

3x

sitting at work writing on discord

[serene fossil]

Dont worry, i work 40h/week and still got school

[tacit wedge]

firewall at work blocked wowhead and i'm sure spotify

[serene fossil]

sitting in school writing on discord

Go bedge now big boi @balmy condor

[grim jay]

We livin the life bro

[serene fossil]

[tacit wedge]

sitting at work studying for my certifications

[serene fossil]

Yeah if it wasnt for my anxiety& social disorders + bipolar disorder + cant loose weight altho going gym& eating non garbonzo food

[grim jay]

I mean

Sorry to hear

[serene fossil]

Im trying

[grim jay]

But you arent alone and you got this

And you got us

[tacit wedge]

Can't get medications for your anxiety? or you're already on medications?

[serene fossil]

Had medication, docs said im fine

[tacit wedge]

[serene fossil]

Still breaking down in stress

[tacit wedge]

like, i feel you, i have GAD

[serene fossil]

If my manic phases wouldnt carry me to work every few weeks to work in my missed hours id be jobless on G

[serene fossil]

[tacit wedge]

i have GAD and manic phases, my docs frequently ask if i have enough meds on me and if i need a new prescription

[serene fossil]

Sad to hear

Hope live is liveable for you even tho you got the shit

[tacit wedge]

https://tenor.com/view/bloodborne-ludwig-my-true-mentor-my-guiding-moonlight-moonlight-gif-20321022

Me and my box of alprazolam

[tacit wedge]

It is, and my gf is a true keeper

took me to the emergency ward when i had a manic phase

[serene fossil]

Happy to hear

[serene fossil]

Ooof when i have a manic phase i just work 12h+ a day altho im only allowed 10 (have to work 8.5) and sleep sub 5h

[tacit wedge]

my manic phases are more grim

loaded with self-hatred and seeking to harm myself

[serene fossil]

Thats day to day business for me at this point

[tacit wedge]

We often joke that our first date was when she picked me up at work to drive me to the ward

[serene fossil]

The wanting to self harm just doesnt exceed my fear of actually pulling through

[serene fossil]

thats giving mixed feelings ngl

Happy kinda

But also sad

[tacit wedge]

almost 6 months we're together now despite that

and when we met, i was getting clean of drugs

[serene fossil]

Proud you got that

[serene fossil]

Wish you the best, understanding and caring partner is BiS

[tacit wedge]

Now i'm working on covering my scars from 2022 with tattoos

[serene fossil]

[tacit wedge]

can show you what i've done so far in dms if you want

[serene fossil]

If you dont mind sure

[tacit wedge]

i got those inks done, it's not to hide them :p

[serene fossil]

Just didnt want to assume youre fine with showing it around to internet peeps

[tacit wedge]

tru

[marble hemlock]

can i get

a vault of incarnates version

[tacit wedge]

Sepulcher

pros of Sepulcher : Sylvanas dagger
Cons : you have to actually do the raid

[serene fossil]

Wut

[tacit wedge]

oh wait

sepulcher

[serene fossil]

Sepulcher was 11/11 garbonzo

[tacit wedge]

yes

not sanctum

[serene fossil]

[spice spire]

Sylvanas dagger

[tacit wedge]

my brain

[marble hemlock]

sir

[serene fossil]

[marble hemlock]

can i have

a vault version of that gif

[spice spire]

I didn’t make it man

So nah

[tacit wedge]

ye sepulcher belong in the bin

[spice spire]

[tacit wedge]

no redeeming quality

Castle Nathria was enjoyable because i was benched for most of the prog on SLG

[serene fossil]

Raid itself was nice tho

[tacit wedge]

ye

and i liked the mog

prance forward

same reason i still enjoy Antorus, because my guild called it when we reached Aggra M

[royal lantern]

somone bless my vault

[spice spire]

No

[royal lantern]

fuck you quake

[storm belfry]

Gm

[marble hemlock]

shadowpings

[spice spire]

GM

[sullen hollow]

Were there any rogue changes overnight?

[storm belfry]

Yeah the ones made in here

[spice spire]

None trust

[storm belfry]

The re rollers

[flat kiln]

Do we have a good picture of DPS sim rankings yet or is most of the dooming just wanting a rework/playstyle changes

[burnt latch]

nothing public yet but from my private investigation it seems rogue is like upper middle tier, i play with arcane mage + windwalker for m+ and im destroying them both XD but lost to warlock on raid test so not the best

[sullen hollow]

I dont see any changes here im blind idk

[burnt star]

As assa right

[burnt latch]

yes as assa

all 3 spec seem good

[flat kiln]

alright nice

[sullen hollow]

Show me patch notes

I cannot locate even on wowheaf

[burnt star]

Outlaw would be much higher if their 4p wasnt bugged and doing 10x less damage then it should

[burnt latch]

there was no ruoge change

[woeful meteor]

wrong

[sullen hollow]

Nice

Great

[woeful meteor]

we had this massive change

[sullen hollow]

Massive

[burnt star]

"We"

All dps class got thos change in philosphy

They want the ratio of your heal to be less then live

[woeful meteor]

doesnt matter we made patch notes

[royal lantern]

only outlaw got hit with that anyway

if you can call it a hit

[burnt star]

Its as if our healing was an issue 😅

People complaining about this doesnt even play the game

[royal lantern]

self healing on rogue is weird anyway

its not a class that is supposed to heal much lol

[serene fossil]

They upped the base HP everyone has and made healing less

So its relatively the same shit

[burnt star]

Dont @ me about that

I wasnt conplaining

[royal lantern]

yo

[serene fossil]

Ah just clarifying

[burnt star]

That was sarcasm

As in healing is not the factor people should be worried

[serene fossil]

Written sarcasm is impossible to see

[serene fossil]

+1

[spice spire]

But why any change when nerf

[burnt star]

I cant compute what u just asked

[spice spire]

Why change at all, instead of nerfing

[storm belfry]

Compute dn

[spice spire]

Baiting isn’t cool, but I was gonna prove a point on sarcasm on the internet

[burnt latch]

id let u cool my bait

if u know what i mean

[spice spire]

Miss us

Miss the Herbert before rogue was abandoned

The helpful lad

Now he’s just the lad that I have to watch every new PTR built

[burnt latch]

dont worry brother im in the trenches trying to make this piece of poisonous garbage do damage

project aint working

[spice spire]

God bless

He’s back

He’s trying anyway

[bitter crow]

Hi, quick question.. Can we expect a shift away from the outlaw/sub meta since the new raid is mostly on the single target side?

[burnt latch]

they've precision hit all my alts methodically

i go shaman

shaman gets nerfed

i go dk

dk gets nerfed

its gods wish for me to play rogue

[spice spire]

Maybe.
If you’re talking about rogue specifically, then yeah, sure it could definitely see more play. But the feel craft (numbers not done yet) says rogue doesn’t feel too great compared to some big hitters

[spice spire]

I’m rogueing or tanking

[fading wigeon]

I don't want to see a world where you are not rogueing

[burnt latch]

last boss p3 seems hectic as fuck, so that might work in assa's favor if its a % push, but theres no indication on that in the journal so

35% push to P3 and assa is actually looking pretty good

[burnt latch]

tanking because rogue tanked

how poetic

[spice spire]

more than likely gonna am gonna stay rogue

But my dk is ready in case

[burnt latch]

funny thing i noticed

cuz i have bomb dispenser macro'd to all my abilities

/cast Sinister Strike works as a macro for gloomblade/mutilate when u swap specs

[shrewd night]

[spice spire]

[spice spire]

Meownar

[spice spire]

Oh that’s deep fried 2

Huge

[marble hemlock]

i alerady made a new one

[spice spire]

Fuck u seli

[pseudo hamlet]

The resolution seems weird on disc tho

[spice spire]

I saved it, eazye

Ty

[marble hemlock]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/742764723652526150/1098252276960858212/no_reclear_vault.gif

[spice surge]

Looking forward to reclearing some vault bosses next tier because the rare items are so good, like the ring from first boss

[storm belfry]

Wow

[spice spire]

[gusty mirage]

Hi

[spice spire]

Hello

[sweet dawn]

Is there any way we can see the logs/ damage of the PTR raids without watching them or playing them ourselves?

[vestal wren]

you can just look at the logs on wcl

[hallow sonnet]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/reports?zone=33

[vestal wren]

but there is no statistic on it just fyi

[sweet dawn]

Ah ty, apparently I am blind and can't navigate WCL

[green juniper]

Omg more nerfs

[limber lion]

Hi

[gusty mirage]

[dark token]

ive seen some 3rd party sites that aggregate statistics from wcl ptr

[vestal wren]

same

i did see websites and google docs

but we just discussed it in #wow-general

ptr testing has too many points of failure to make the results conclusive

[alpine latch]

I think 10.1 might be a return of assassination for me. Been Sub since Sepulcher - I really wish Assa was stronger in keys

[vestal wren]

don't see sin in keys

[dark token]

we all do, its actually got insane utility between perma slow + aoe silence + dmg reduc

just... dmg.... sucks...

[vestal wren]

but for raid def. could be the "go-to"

[alpine latch]

Yeah, that's the only downside.. swapping for keys/raid

[storm belfry]

I am there

[alpine latch]

That's why I stuck with Sub

Cannot stand modern Outlaw 😦

[vestal wren]

outlaw/sub ideally stay similar in keys

would mean you can play both

[alpine latch]

Yeah

[storm belfry]

Idk what levels you are doing but I do not feel like I’m inting in 23s as sin

[dark token]

you arent

super meta comps only become mandatory like 26+ imo

and even then, zerocool is pulling it off

[storm belfry]

Feel like around 25 I would maybe want to swap. But I’m vibing rn

[alpine latch]

Highest I ran was a 22 this season. My best friend got burned on keys so we didn't push. The guild crushed her m+ fun but in S2 we're going to ignore the guild and just smash them out together

[storm belfry]

I just solo pug.

But was able to finally hit 3k

[alpine latch]

I did - got to like 2790 and just wasn't having fun solo pugging

Haven't touched keys much in 2 months. Just maintenance for vault

[spice spire]

Amen

[alpine latch]

I normally enjoy pugging, but I was averaging 30+ keys a week and the solo push for all 20s just ate me up.

[gusty mirage]

GAMER

[storm belfry]

Ty oxi. Was long overdue

[alpine latch]

Yeah man that's a hell of a grind, congrats

[storm belfry]

I kinda feel obligated to get my Druid there now

I slapped it in the face and left it behind

[storm belfry]

Thanks homie. But yeah I say fuck it and do sin in keys. Can do more than you’d expect probs

[alpine latch]

Oh, probably

[storm belfry]

Since it’s so late in the season and it’s about over I don’t think I wanna push higher. Am debating on messing around on another dps class. I just don’t know what

[alpine latch]

I was trying to stay Outlaw in the beginning and wound up failing my trial. I was just massively underperforming and not in a great place mentally. So I needed to reset in a lot of ways. I defaulted to Sub and stayed that through all of my future trials and key pushing

[storm belfry]

I feel that

[dark token]

as someone who pugged all season until 2 weeks ago, you need to stay ahead of the curve or else you fall behind and start getting the shit pugs

[storm belfry]

Yeah there is a point where you can “fall behind”

At that point you really just post your own key and be picky

[dark token]

right now pugging falls off at 25s, a month or 2 ago it was 23s, and at start of the season it was 18s-20s

[storm belfry]

Nah homie it’s in shambles rn around 22-24s

Even ppl who are 3300 just are giga bad. But fotm so

[dark token]

by falls off i mean literally not enough keys and you dont get any invites cause people are insanely picky

not "bad players"

[storm belfry]

I took it as both

I see a lot of 22-23s

But I’m NA

[oak sky]

21-22s are too easy rn i get bored

And thats where my io is at

So i just dont play

[storm belfry]

I have been having bad luck

Either some rot brain tank thinking they are someone like that echo tank. Or a healer that doesn’t know mechanics

[oak tangle]

my greatest achievement has to be still being in the 36th spot in the break the meta raider io page as sin

[storm belfry]

How do you check that

[oak tangle]

https://raider.io/mythic-plus-rankings/season-df-1-break-the-meta/all/world/leaderboards-strict/0#content

[storm belfry]

It’s only showing me 2 rogues lol

That can’t be right

[dark token]

i did 1 key in week 1, how high does that put me in ranking for sin

probably #87 spec is so low played

[hallow token]

please play warlock and mash the fear button a lot. then maybe they will nerf fear.

[oak sky]

I think i did ksm on sin then swapped to outlaw because i got sick of doing no damage LOL

[storm belfry]

Does someone have to log the run?

[oak tangle]

you have to sign up for it

[storm belfry]

I did

[oak tangle]

and the entire group has to be off meta

and you have to time

[storm belfry]

Maybe someone I played w didn’t sign up

Cringe

[oak tangle]

they dont have to

just you

[dark token]

nah it counts only if ur group all off meta specs

[storm belfry]

I gotta go back and look

Ik

[storm belfry]

Wym you can do good damage

Ah fuck

I know why it didn’t count

Stupid resto Druid

[oak tangle]

sadge

[storm belfry]

Everything else was off meta. I forget they were the healer

It was with a BEAR TANK man

[oak tangle]

i'll claim number 1 all alliance group still

[storm belfry]

Come tf on lmao

Nah I’m gonna come for you

I got a 24 in bags

I think I was playing w your alter ego

Some monk named Memzs

[oak sky]

I mean yeah obviously you can do good damage but my gear was stunted for the start of the season and nobody was pulling big in my keys yet

[oak tangle]

my monk is monkemz

[storm belfry]

This guy is a fan of yours maybe

That’s why I randomly @ you that night lmao

[oak tangle]

not many of those XD

[storm belfry]

I thought it may have been you

I’ll be your fan bro

[oak tangle]

this off meta is good for my group of friends, our tank mains dh and only dh

[storm belfry]

Bro get me in if you are NA. Double sin rogue

[oak tangle]

🙂 ur probs sleeping, im OCE

[spice spire]

OCE

[storm belfry]

Sometimes I degen

I already play w a few OCE ppl

Couple ppl in Monke

[oak tangle]

ping makes us look bad

[storm belfry]

I mean I can be the one w bad ping

It’s fine for me until like 300. Usually have 150-175 w OCE

[oak tangle]

this was the first week in ages i've played sin in keys, i was FoK into ct on instinct like sub

[storm belfry]

I mean that’s what it is

[oak tangle]

2 cp CT's

[storm belfry]

Oh

KEKW

[storm belfry]

Idk if I showed you. Look what I was finally able to set up in HS

[oak tangle]

it was a shambles

[storm belfry]

[spice spire]

I miss the rag bros meta

Light lord and fire lord in one deck

[storm belfry]

I was able to do this in one turn

W the new shaman weapon

And overload set up

Reduced transformation rag spell into 6 cost. I had 1 mana left. Broke my weapon which made my duplication card spell cost 1 mana

Ended turn. Win

[storm belfry]

Which one is light lord?

[spice spire]

The Paladin

Rag

[storm belfry]

Hmm I need to see if I have that one.

[storm belfry]

Ohhhh

[spice spire]

I haven’t played in a very long time

[storm belfry]

Yeah I have that

I’m just a plat ranked noob man. This is technically my first season

[spice spire]

Used to grind legend with goofyish stuff

[storm belfry]

Legend

[spice spire]

I rejoined last year; crafted face hunter and went from unranked to legend in two weeks

[storm belfry]

I have a lock deck that I have won by getting ppls decks to 0 cards

[spice spire]

And then stopped playing

[storm belfry]

Bro you are a god

[spice spire]

Man I miss kobolds and cube locks

[storm belfry]

It took me forever to get out of gold 1

I got up to plat 8 almost 7. Then I just keep facing stupid dks

And their cinematic explosion

[spice spire]

Eh, I just had decent lines with the stupid deck

[storm belfry]

So now am back to plat 10

This expansion is very cool imo. All musical shit

Back to rogue talk. Any know of what trinkets we are looking to get?

In next patch

[oak sky]

My friend was legend back then

[spice spire]

Cannonnnnn

[storm belfry]

What is that

Loaded dice?

[tacit otter]

from which dungeon is that?

[spice spire]

https://www.wowhead.com/ptr/item=202610/dragonfire-bomb-dispenser

[tacit otter]

ty

[storm belfry]

Hmm

Seems like you would want to purposely use it on something about to die in AOE

[dark token]

Is hearthstone good again, I haven't played it since I abused the infinite dwarf combo on warrior to get legend

Everyone get in here

[storm belfry]

I enjoy it

I played it super casually back in 2018 and was giga bad so I quit. Randomly decided to play it again at work almost 2 months ago and I am much better and am enjoying myself

[spice spire]

Man grim warrior

[dark token]

I feel like it's kinda meh cause you can just look at meta decks and copy the build and get legend within a couple weeks

[silk bane]

its iffy. they did alot of testing on it in outlaw channel. it seems like its better to use it for ST dmage until 3 targets, and start sniping around 4+

[dark token]

And they cost a lot to constantly maintain

[storm belfry]

I think the last thing I played that I remember is cthun mage

[dark token]

Feels pretty p2w

[storm belfry]

Beofre these new metas

[storm belfry]

I feel like it can be. But my buddy just uses standard decks and wins

But I mean if you actually play the game. You just buy the expansion pack and you get basically All you need. Or most of it. Unless you just have terrible luck

[storm belfry]

Yeah seems interesting

What does Harlan’s do again

I forget. It’s been 84 years

[woeful meteor]

random crit mast haste procs

[alpine latch]

So, with what we know now, it's looking like a Assa tier for raid?

[spice spire]

It’s looking like a reroll tier (it actually doesn’t matter atm; rogue stuff not implemented yet afaik)

[alpine latch]

naw man, outside of warrior I only play Rogue

[spice spire]

Won’t know until tier implemented

Which it should be any day now

[timid idol]

I play warrior monk and rogue, I’m mega sad

[alpine latch]

All good, I know shit changes up through the first week or raid

Even if Rogue is in the dumps, I'll still smash

[gusty mirage]

at least warrior has battle shout and rally

[alpine latch]

Rogue has DR

[gusty mirage]

no it doesn't

atrophic is fucking terrible

[timid idol]

Yeah but nobody takes warrior to M+

[gusty mirage]

most damage in raid is environmental

meaning atrophic does nothing

[alpine latch]

fair

[oak sky]

Raid leaders dont know that

[alpine latch]

^

[gusty mirage]

take off atrophic for a pull

see if anyone notices

[oak sky]

They want 2 rogues so they can get numbing too

[alpine latch]

Because warlocks are lazy af

When I was a lock back in Nathria it was the only time the guild ever had a boss cursed

[oak sky]

Attack speed debuffs stack

[gusty mirage]

I mean locks actually do damage

so it makes sense

[spice spire]

We just need another broken interaction and we’ll get there trust

[oak sky]

Cant wait for the new legendary dagger they hid in the patch

[alpine latch]

Just need an updated version of Sylv's dagger

And broken af gems

I miss being able to tricks the other rogue and give each other a damage bonus

[rich vine]

I play same classes+ dh and im sad too

[timid idol]

I don’t want to roll a ranged so I’m just coping until one of the classes gets changed

[silk bane]

I have been a doomer in the past. but after being banned in league for the 374th time last night. I am now reformed. No more dooming. no more telling people they oculda fed africa the way theyre feeding. doesnt matter what happens with rogue, most of us still get to raid, if damage is bad then they probably buff it (based on what we saw in 10.0 - dont say sin, cuz sin was good, then got nerfed and didnt get buffed again because in its niche it wasnt terrible and rogues had the option of playing sub/outlaw so they were like eh not the highest priority)

we still get to keyge, BFA dungeons without rogue is susge, we chilling my lil doomers

[spice spire]

Real

[steel spire]

🙏🏾

[deft flicker]

Amen

[rich vine]

https://tenor.com/view/the-book-of-boba-fett-din-djarin-this-is-the-way-the-mandalorian-pedro-pascal-gif-24828674

[brazen zodiac]

o.o

[cerulean walrus]

https://tenor.com/view/plink-cat-meme-plink-cat-meme-plink-cat-gif-27534505

[ember gyro]

trying to get around assasination, anyone have a few spark notes that I can focus on first as a beginner

working on keeping my poison up

[spice spire]

The tl;dr is:
Keep bleeds up
Keep poisons up
Use cooldowns on cooldowns; unless you can line them up more efficiently (think Exsang + deathmark)

[dull cloak]

Dw, Assass will be S tier in the new raid. I feel it in my bones

[spice spire]

[fading ocean]

Funny way of spelling Outlaw

[dull cloak]

blizz is saving the best for last

[oak sky]

Wait for week 2 balancing

[spice spire]

Wrong chat brubby

[fading ocean]

No u

[spice spire]

Ur right I’m just covering for assassination one trick @midnight mist while he’s covering my outlaw shift

[dull cloak]

if you play all 3 spec you will rarely be disappoint

[empty hinge]

@spice spire do you still save exsang to line up with vanish and dm for 1 min

[spice spire]

Depends on context of fight

I’d say like 99% of time yeah

[empty hinge]

kill me

[spice spire]

Fight timers make ideal usages weird

[rich vine]

This is exsanguinate rework waiting room?

[ember gyro]

and exsang/deathmark happen together on pull and then every 6 minutes, right? if the fight is only 4 minutes long, would I hold them

[spice spire]

Yeah

[spice spire]

If your fight is like 4:40ish you’d hold for the 4 minute dm to line up

[empty hinge]

i mean if i see i wont get another set of vanish+dm and i have exsang i just send exsang

[spice spire]

If it’s 4 on the dot, you would hold dm and vanish for the 3m

[spice spire]

Yeah, note it for next time

[empty hinge]

but i dont like holding a 3 minute cd

for 1 more minute

its

weird

feels like meta

[spice spire]

Like for prog for many people, it was beneficial on Terros to free send the Exsang + box on 3 so you’d have a lineup at. 6 since the fight was like 6:40ish

But general rule, just hold Exsang for the 4m dm vanish and ur laughing

[empty hinge]

i have a fix for exsang

give back hunger for blood instead of exsang

[alpine latch]

Shiiiiiit, Sin holds CDs?

[empty hinge]

yes

[alpine latch]

that sucks

[empty hinge]

yes

[alpine latch]

Might be another Sub tier for me then 😕

[empty hinge]

most people tested as outlaw

[alpine latch]

Zero interest in outlaw

[empty hinge]

since it was broken and wanted to see more mechanics of the fights in general

[alpine latch]

Modern outlaw is ass

[spice spire]

I just take the small % loss and don’t run Exsang

Cba in garbage time

[alpine latch]

I really don't need RSI, RNG on top of RNG, and the CP change gutted the flow of the spec entirely for me

[ember gyro]

I come from unholy, so holding CDs is nothing new to me

[spice spire]

UHDK

[royal lantern]

what is this "holding CD's" you are talking about

this is DF rogue

[spice spire]

Legit the most unfun experience I’ve had in melee

[royal lantern]

just send on cd

no holding

[spice spire]

Hold Exsang pal get woke

[ember gyro]

I'm referencing the above conversation,

[royal lantern]

sin is holding cd's?

where?

[spice spire]

To line up with dm as possible 🤨

[royal lantern]

oh yeha, you can hold exsang if its benefical for the killtimer

[spice spire]

This has been a thing the entire tier

[royal lantern]

mate

i try to forget that exsang exist

while using it

my exsang icon is a funny orange cat trought a macro

its the "funny orange cat that makes dmg" button

[upper breach]

After I use IC garrote from Stealth in aoe should I use garrote when it's off cd to maintain uptime or start using it when garrote is about to fall off

[atomic bramble]

Hi. Going to re-roll to Rogue for Season 2. Do we know what spec is looking the strongest for Season 2 raid? So I can practice that spec.

[dark token]

probs outlaw

[near valley]

haha

[deft flicker]

With current state of the class - probably Outlaw. Tuning and bugfixes can change that

[near valley]

he said outlaw

[dark token]

all of them kinda meh tho

worse tier for sub, sin is 🤡 , i think outlaw tier will be bugfix nerfed?

[atomic bramble]

Are there big differences between all 3? Or similar?

(in performance)

So, you thinking it's not the best idea to main Rogue for Season 2?

I am coming from Devoker and cannot play a caster

[dark token]

it looks solidly meh-average

[near valley]

tier set can't be nerfed worse than what the bugfix did

[atomic bramble]

I can take average. As long as it's not bad per say

[deft flicker]

Bugfix would mean a big buff to 4piece, the 2piece overperforming has been addressed already

[near valley]

all 3 specs are looking like below average

[dark token]

like i dont think it will be bad

just prob not good

unless the devs come out with rogue changes out of a hat when patch drops

[sweet dawn]

We'll make it work bro

[royal lantern]

that would be the 20000IQ blizzard moment

make a tier full with aoe so assa is bad

then make a ST focused tier, and let assa be so undertuned that outlaw, the "cleave/aoe spec" beats it in st

[dark token]

im just wondering where the assa 8% ST buff

[royal lantern]

[dark token]

cause unholy did more ST than assa

and got 8% st buff

[deft flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/dancing-bee-bee-dancing-vibing-gif-24578716

[dark token]

so clearly that means assa deserves that or more

right?

[royal lantern]

people on reddit told me rogue is top1 dps with 2 S tier specs, wdym, rogue is strong

[white orchid]

That’s what I’m saying 😂 historically ST spec about to get slapped by an cleave spec for an entire ST raid season😂 eesh

[royal lantern]

i mean

yes no

by the time outlaw "wins" the first balance changes happend

[sweet dawn]

But Tettles said rogue is S

It can't be bad RIGHT

[royal lantern]

cus nobody will start the tier with instant 4set+trinket lol

[near valley]

putting balance in S?

u sure this is a Tettles post

[spice spire]

Tier lists

In my holy assassination chat

[royal lantern]

its dunking on tettles quake

[near valley]

only mad cause bad

[royal lantern]

calm down

[spice spire]

He don’t need to be dunked on

[royal lantern]

does that by himself

[spice spire]

Yeah

[strange python]

Good lord mage tower is a joke now

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/always-has-been-among-us-astronaut-space-betrayal-gif-23836476

[strange python]

Maybe if Might hadnt been running one role swapped mediocre rogue for the last four tiers they'd have a better understanding of the specs

[shrewd night]

Tettles

[strange python]

Yeah, you know

Tettles. The guy who says the n word a lot and is still allowed to host blizzard events.

[royal lantern]

wait what

[strange python]

Remember the clout gang discord leaks?

Blew up in uhh. Early SoFo?

Tettles was in em

[atomic bramble]

I also have a DH. I know off topic, but how are they looking? Better than Rogue?

[strange python]

Slinging hard rs

[uncut echo]

Mid

Tier sucks

Their tier sucks worse than ours

[spice spire]

Most boring tier of them all somehow

[uncut echo]

And losing their current one is a dps downgrade

[royal lantern]

nope

[atomic bramble]

Ok, I see how this will go. I leave Devoker and Devoker is amazing. Problem is I can't play it well

[royal lantern]

huh

devoker is like

only 4 steps above BM hunter lol

[near valley]

dw you#ll get back into devoker after like 1 hr of dummies

[atomic bramble]

Yeah ppl say that. I dunno, I suck I guess

[strange python]

Someone leaked like 50 screenshots of high-ish ranked guild DMs last year for big racism.

[near valley]

can not stress how easy it is to play

[sweet dawn]

( I was memeing )

[royal lantern]

oh yeha

i mean its common knowledge

the worldrank of a guild is equal to its N-word usage

[strange python]

I just continue to be amazed that tettles is allowed to be a visible community figure

[royal lantern]

high rank=more n's per minute

[brazen zodiac]

o.o

[atomic bramble]

Can you get this in Retail? No, right?

Or can you buy it somehow?

[limber lion]

Get what?

[atomic bramble]

Merciless Gladiator PVP set

[peak bobcat]

Yes vendors in netherstorm

[atomic bramble]

ah k

fuck

Thought I was special

What is the currency? Marks of Honor thingy?

[royal lantern]

ye marks of honor

its for all old tmogs

[atomic bramble]

So you can basically buy every set ever?

That sucks

Sorry for dumb questions but I have not played in A WHILE

[limber lion]

Not quite

[deft flicker]

Well, not every set. Ranked pvp ones (elite gladiator) are time limited

[atomic bramble]

What's the easiest source of Marks of Honor?

[royal lantern]

just play any minigame mode

[limber lion]

t20 elite set

nut

if only

[royal lantern]

i never understood why people love that set so much

it looks so bad

[near valley]

i agree

pretty bad set ngl

[atomic bramble]

Can you buy leather sets on other toons? Like on Evoker mail

[limber lion]

I agree, I hate the set

But the one I linked is legit the only black/red set in the game

With the dark black and bright red

[uncut echo]

This

[uncut echo]

Tier 2?

[royal lantern]

he probably means a set that has more then 8pixels and 2 polygons in total

[limber lion]

And a set with actual effects

T2 is legit the worst looking set in the game

[royal lantern]

t1 exists

[limber lion]

Okay just kidding, there's a lot of really, really awful sets

[strange python]

Cev are you coming back next tier

[atomic bramble]

It's not what they look like but what they represent imho

Childhood etc

[dawn kelp]

Just came back 2 months after CE no rogue changes

[royal lantern]

my childhood is not represented by a 2polygon rogue set that is 19years old man

[atomic bramble]

Can you still get the old PVE sets in Retail too?

[royal lantern]

sure

just run the old raids solo

[atomic bramble]

Depends on your age I guess 😄

[empty hinge]

what is this

[sweet dawn]

A deranged Moonkin and Dratnos's tier list of M+ DPS specs

[strange python]

Wait lol it's an m+ list

[steel spire]

survival blasts though

[strange python]

Somehow even dumber

[runic hinge]

I finally got the t2 boots after a year of running that place

[vital haven]

its just old

id love to see a new bloodfang set

[limber lion]

A lot of sets are kinda fine when they're put together, but the individual pieces look garbage

t2 is like that

the boots, the gloves, the chest, the pants

it's all terrible

but it looks kinda okay when it's put together

but none of those pieces are useable in any other tmog

[vital haven]

pants and chest i can see with other pieces

agree on the boots and gloves

im biased i just have nostalgia for vanilla rogue sets

[limber lion]

Same with the t20, it looks fine when put together but the chunky boots, gloves and whatnot just ruin it

I love the idea of the t20 with the glowy bits, but the boots and the gloves ruin it for me. I don't like the mage tier set because of it as well

I tried finding different booties and gloves for em, but nothing really works.

No clue why there's no glowy bits for the boots/belt even though it has the same sphere that's splattered all around the set

[rare jackal]

im glad they finally added the antorus mythic boots 😌

[uncut echo]

:3

[spice spire]

#1080572530554835072

[near valley]

what in the cursed thread

[misty holly]

Any talent changes to the single target build for Mythic Kurog? Is it worth trying to get CT?

[near valley]

the smart thing would be to go to ur talent page

hit change spec

and play outlaw

[misty holly]

I don't know how to play outlaw 😦

[near valley]

but afaik CT ain't the play on Mythic Kurog

[near valley]

dw just playing withcha

[tawny bloom]

atleast he didnt put boomie c t ier

[balmy condor]

kurog post nerf is just a full single target fight

you cleave the add with rup/gar outside of deathmark

otherwise full boss

also I'm super unconvinced outlaw is better for kurog these days

the adds just pad

they need 0 attention

actually just fall over to cleave

and the intermissions are a joke

[near valley]

outlaw is always the play in everything

smh

[balmy condor]

except on most of the bosses

where it's not

[near valley]

Imagine being so wrong on something you can easily prove is wrong, you mute somebody for calling out your bullshit act, which is acting right when you are actually wrong about the subject currently being discussed (soothing got a nerf which means it isn't a net 0 change) While LMFAO'ing me despite you clearly being wrong if you thought for one second about it.
"LMFAOOOOO"
"He still has no idea"
But no you have the special role so whatever you say is law.
1984

[marble hemlock]

dont think it was actually ever better outside of prog

once cleave started not mattering, assa just did more boss dps

[near valley]

i'm memeing tbf

btw what are sin trinkets looking like next patch?

unless sims ain't working

in which case ignore the question

[balmy condor]

irideus, bomb dispenser, dragonscale, harlans

seem to sorta be floating around

[near valley]

harlans?

[balmy condor]

dice

[near valley]

say no more

any spec that enjoys harlans is a good spec

[wary ice]

I love rtb the trinket

[near valley]

maybe i was wrong about u sin players

[steel spire]

[near valley]

class trinket also a shout?

in the scenario that one actually manages to acquire it

[balmy condor]

idk maybe

it's vers main

[dawn kelp]

whats the verdict on the annulet ring added at 10.0.7 didnt see anything in faq

[dawn kelp]

godsend

[steel sorrel]

Newer changes is usually pinned here so check that aswell 🙂

[balmy condor]

yeh

FaQ usually more permanent things

[dawn kelp]

yeah ur right sorry im washed

[gusty mirage]

get back to leveling @balmy condor

[balmy condor]

it's fine though

people don't read either

so

[gusty mirage]

[balmy condor]

it doesn't matter where I put it

[steel sorrel]

All good fam

[steel sorrel]

I do read it ❤

[balmy condor]

can't a man chill in act 6 for a bit god damn

[gusty mirage]

no

that's the shit part

[steel sorrel]

Hahhahaha

PoE?

[gusty mirage]

push through

[near valley]

is PoE actually any good?

or is it one of those games sweaty nerds with 100s of hours in it try to convert u to play?

[steel sorrel]

To some, and some dont find it good. Like any other game I guess 🙂

[austere fulcrum]

Can someone post a link for new trinkets pls

[misty holly]

Sounds like WoW

[near valley]

true. that's why i can't falling for the trap again.

[steel sorrel]

There is alot to learn for sure xD

[balmy condor]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/first-look-at-raid-trinkets-from-aberrus-in-patch-10-1-331823

[near valley]

haven't some of the tooltips for the new trinkets changed from that post?

[balmy condor]

I mean yeah

but who cares what the tooltip says

you're not going to read that shit anyway

[near valley]

so i've heard. which i consider good tbf

[balmy condor]

you're just going to run it through top gear and equip it if it's green

so what does it matter to you

[near valley]

illiteracy is a luxury i can afford

[austere fulcrum]

Thank u @balmy condor I do read your posts too btw. 😌

[near valley]

[balmy condor]

sorry I don’t have sims yet

[sweet dawn]

You're gonna see that the guides say "Get this trinket" and that's it

Doesn't matter what it does

[near valley]

You don't have Sims yet? the game's been out for a long time already.

[burnt latch]

My take is that rogue doesnt get tuning because blizzard doesnt have you guys’ sims so theyre clueless if rogues good or not

[eager solstice]

is atrophic poison necessary in progression? even though rogue sucks does it compensate due to atrophic?

[near valley]

won't make or break if u take it or not

[eager solstice]

haven't seen the math on the difference.

[near valley]

3% dr ain't saving rogue enough from sucking

[royal lantern]

*3% against some dmg

[near valley]

true

[eager solstice]

@balmy condor what do you think?

[near valley]

you'll take it regardless because there isn't a reason not to

[eager solstice]

My reasoning is atrophic as mandatory as druid buff? food for thought

[near valley]

no

but it's still a buff to raid

unless it's niche buffs like sentinel owl

where god knows where that finds use

[eager solstice]

is one rogue mandatory during prog? I dont know i'll have to see some numbers cause im trying to justify why you would take a rogue next tier to yoru raid group

[near valley]

well our damage isn't that great

so justifications are few and far between atm

[royal lantern]

its the worst raidbuff by a wide margin, you take it because there is nothing else to Take

its far from mandatory

[near valley]

you'll barely tell the difference if it's there or not

[balmy condor]

I think no one will notice if you take it or not

[near valley]

you'll take a rogue if u have the space or willingness to take one tbh

[eager solstice]

i was afraid of that but yeah makes sense

[balmy condor]

Atrophic might as well just not exist honestly

[final lily]

tier

[balmy condor]

Tier

[near valley]

it allows me to slightly inflate my importance in raid

[austere fulcrum]

Do u guys think we ll have different stat prio next tier ? I feel like haste ll take an important place.

[near valley]

i'm going out on a limb, and taking responsibility if wrong, but i don't think ur stat prio is changing

[shrewd night]

The stat prio of "run topgear" ain't going to change anytime soon

[near valley]

ayo is that someone's actual name

Shawty Fucker

[austere fulcrum]

Yea top gear also connected to stat prio no ?:)

[shrewd night]

[spice spire]

Top gear runs what’s best.
There’s no static stat prio for sin. You can get broad strokes. But following it religiously won’t get you anywhere

[misty holly]

I feel like crit is going to come down. I noticed my stat prio switching away from crit as soon as it hit +30% and was getting diminishing returns

+26 more item level and you will be hitting that a lot easier now

[burnt latch]

i know some broad strokes id love to see you perform on me

[spice spire]

[burnt latch]

[near valley]

talking about painting

right?

[burnt latch]

Ye im on in my bob ross era

Going hard

[near valley]

[austere fulcrum]

Yea it runs what is best depending on the stats. I agree on not following it blindly but there are must amount of stats

[balmy condor]

there aren't

[spice spire]

There are no specific break points, there are no specific numbers to hit

[balmy condor]

the compare items to each other, agi, stats, special effects

[spice spire]

You press /simc copy, paste into robot, let robot do thing

[balmy condor]

if you have something higher ilvl with vers, it can easily be better

[spice spire]

Robot smarter than human, because robot programmed by human smarter than I

[austere fulcrum]

Yes i agree on this

[balmy condor]

that gives me an idea

[spice spire]

[near valley]

only time ur worrying about stats is when u reach DR territory

[austere fulcrum]

Haha, i just spend so much time play around stats to understand their value ngl

[spice spire]

Ah it’s legit inquisitive

[balmy condor]

what does that even mean

[near valley]

nobody knows, it's provocative

[spice spire]

I mean there isn’t much to go on.
Haste good, crit good, mastery good, vers kinda good, agility great

[shrewd night]

https://tenor.com/view/hk-hkgaming-justarichard-channelrichnews-h2da4thpower-gif-25752805

Holy framrate

[near valley]

the gif is actually hurting me

stop motion animation

[normal olive]

i don't trust robots

[spice spire]

I’ve seen your openers. This tracks

[spice spire]

Yejoice

[near valley]

whispyr should just copy paste from chatgpt instead of writing up his stuff

since no one reads what he writes anyway

[normal olive]

don't worry no more cursed openers from me because why play rogue when i can press 2 buttons and do more dmg :)

[spice spire]

Evoker in chat

[balmy condor]

it's not unreasonable to assume chatgpt has learned from my posts

so like

[normal olive]

frost mage

[balmy condor]

am I chatgpt

is chatgpt me?

[spice spire]

Bro if ur chatgpt I have questions about these dms

[near valley]

[spice spire]

Yeah nice updates in 10.1

[austere fulcrum]

Yes so your stat weight depends on fights bosses etc,

[near valley]

wait that means you tried to write me an incorrect essay

smh

[normal olive]

after the great time i had with rogue in mythic prog i'm just gonna chill with my cassual hc friend guild and rofl my mage xD

[balmy condor]

depends how accurate you wanna be about it sure

[shrewd night]

[near valley]

would not recommend caring about stat weights on a boss-by-boss basis

[balmy condor]

if you're gonna argue that changing stats from single target fight X to single target with intermittent adds fight Y is a palpable decision to make for your output

then like

you're a psychopath

no one plays like that

but you're not technically wrong

[near valley]

unnecessary headache

[austere fulcrum]

Definitely

[austere fulcrum]

Yea, it is not possible all the times + i only change trinkets or so

[balmy condor]

yeh that's the way to go about it usually

[royal lantern]

its ok buddy, you can turn discord off

i will do the same cus its 1am

[shrewd night]

Thats alright, not everyone can stand the heat coming off whispyr

[balmy condor]

?????????

[spice spire]

???????????

[normal olive]

yeah he is just to hot for some people

[spice spire]

I’m with you here buddy

[near valley]

[silk bane]

let my lil human sauna cook. so what were the sin stats again?

[tawny barn]

so no changes for assa in 10.0 or any got got some insider info

🙂

[runic hinge]

10.0

[red swift]

I wanna brag! Was bummed cause did hc today and no grieftorch and then did the 5 timewalkings and got grieftorch with avoidance <3

so I already have bis trinkets and somehow both with avoidance ^^

I think it was bis anyway, grieftorch + puzzlebox, right?

[spice spire]

Pretty good combo

Mythic icon beats it, or a thicc hungering (421, maybe?) but yeah that’s a banger

Grats

[red swift]

also finally managed to get hc rasza down on rogue, usually pugs fell apart too early but managed to hop on a guild alt run

I was so lost on what to do on the add platforms, do I just fok and rupture things around me? or spam envenom for poison bombs?

[spice spire]

Honestly for heroic

I just focus the big dude

And if he dies well before the other adds

It’s kick time

[red swift]

yeah that was what I was doing

alright

not that it matters much right now anyway

[normal olive]

just opened my vault from like almost 2 months ago this shit can't be real man xD

its the 6th time i have that shit in there

[red swift]

gib

[misty holly]

Isn't that BIS? grats!

[normal olive]

wwell yeah but not 6 of them lmao

[gaunt moat]

Guild killed rasz the one day i couldn't be there.
unluck.

[sweet dawn]

That's me with my guild rn

The one time they kill mythic Sennarth I ain't there

Every time I am there we don't kill it, maybe I'm the problem

[hoary kernel]

So i am trying to sim a 415 ruby egg to a 408 whispering icon, does the sim detect what the whelp is trained for?

trained as ST

[storm belfry]

You can choose in the sim

Has a drop down menu

[normal olive]

in the sim options

[storm belfry]

Same thing w icon

[hoary kernel]

ohh gotcha

thanks!

[ember gyro]

learning the opener, why does it go rupture, ER, Rupture (though I know that ER Rupture gives you a 7 point rupture). Is that first rupture there to consume points? Could use use envenom?

[oak sky]

you want to get a rupture with the additional pandemic duration to exsang

if you dont know how pandemic works

!pandemic

[prisma monolith]

Pandemic takes up to 30% of the duration of a applied dot/buff and adds it to your new applied one. The duration depends on the new instance.
Example: Garrote (18 sec) can be extended by up to 5.4 seconds from an existing instance.
Note: Pandemic applies to most but not all debuffs/buffs

[ember gyro]

ah ha

oh, no I'm familiar with pandemic

[oak sky]

basically you get the pandemic duration plus the max duration

same for garrote

[ember gyro]

I'm just used to using it as it's getting ready to fall off

[oak sky]

yeah its a thing only for exsang

[ember gyro]

cool, I get it

and exsang only does your two reds and 2 greens, right? it doesn't do anything to bonespike?

[oak sky]

exsang is only bleeds

[ember gyro]

oh so not greens