ROUND TWO BITCH
#assassination
uncut echo
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Bro everyone loves an underdog story. 
uncut echo
oblique jackal
Wasn’t Sin bad in SL too?
cerulean walrus
Until they slapped so many bandaids on it
uncut echo
Then got pretty strong after sizeable aura buffs
oblique jackal
I was on deployment majority of SL so I didn’t play much
royal lantern
Wasn’t Sin bad in SL too?
it was litearlly unplayable
like, less dmg then some tanks lol
cerulean walrus
5% here. 10% there. 5%. 15%.
oblique jackal
That bad??
uncut echo
Ye
oblique jackal
Omg lol
oblique jackal
So Sin historical has always been in a weird spot
oblique jackal
I feel the same way about sub too
uncut echo
However our aoe dials effect single target
cerulean walrus
7.3 Assassination 
uncut echo
We dont talk about 8.3 sin
cerulean walrus
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I will say my goofy half baked take is for a spec named assassination we should be goat at killing a single target lol. Are we owed that,no. But some days it feels like I'm attacking with spoons.
uncut echo
That was a bastardization of the class
royal lantern
It's either dogshit or god tier
ye, but without that godtier kekw
cus when was the last time assa was god tier
cerulean walrus
Nah dude at this point Fel Hammer is easier to deal with
Than whatever the fuck this dump sends his way
royal lantern
^
after some of the shit that happend in RH, cant clown on Fel Hammer anymore
only difference is that in RH people are not openly racist/homophobic/send porn
rocky ruin
after some of the shit that happend in RH, cant clown on Fel Hammer anymore
what happen?
grim jay
I feel like dh discord is the worst thing right after warr discord overall
royal lantern
what happen?
lets just say, we had a more active dev here, and people litearlly insulted him openly and in DM's cus they are very smart and well adjusted humans that think that communication works that way
uncut echo
I feel like dh discord is the worst thing right after warr discord overall
Ye i got slurred out of fel hammer
daring trail
I hope they all got banned for it
royal lantern
I hope they all got banned for it
ofc not
its a discord that has a NSFW channel where people litearlly say the N-word "for fun"
cerulean walrus
Yeah that’s also not going to stop the DMs
royal lantern
^
cerulean walrus
Even if they were
A dev shouldn’t have to go through their DMs daily and block people en masse
daring trail
It just about doing something for me. Yeah you can't block DMs and absolutely Realz shouldn't have to worry about it at all cause he's a fucking homie
royal lantern
its just GAMER language 
if you cant stand GAMER culture, you should grow a thicker skin (but dont add female protagonists in my game, i will throw a tantrum)
daring trail
But fuck this is what cause the old Forums to lose community leaders and such back in the day
And I don't want to lose talking to our Dev over some immature chuckleheads
deft flicker
lets just say, we had a more active dev here, and people litearlly insulted him ...
Reminds me of a certain game where mini-dev was sitting on a tiny planet and saying things when you click on him, and one of the things was “I was planning to release an update last week but it’s not done yet. Maybe harassing me over the Internet will help…”
grim jay
if I were a dev I wouldnt talk to any of us shitters
I'd talk to the people responsible for TC and thats it
deft flicker
Idk why the whole “just grow a thicker skin lmao” thing is still so popular
royal lantern
Idk why the whole “just grow a thicker skin lmao” thing is still so popular
thin skinned assholes that want to be open assholes and bigots
thats why
grim jay
Idk why the whole “just grow a thicker skin lmao” thing is still so popular
because being as sensitive as the current generation is is really weird
aswell
royal lantern
because being as sensitive as the current generation is is really weird
weird take, but ok
cerulean walrus
royal lantern
lets just say
grim jay
royal lantern
for the typical person on the internet "you are to sensitive" means "you support basic human rights for everyone, and dont want to kill minority's"
🙂
uncut echo
because being as sensitive as the current generation is is really weird
Its not a sensitivity issue
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People demonize others, to justify their poor behavior towards them. Name calling is just a method to that. People just need to treat each other with respect.
cerulean walrus
Do a bit of trolling
grim jay
for the typical person on the internet "you are to sensitive" means "you support...
yeah thats not what I meant with being as sensitive
grim jay
I'm not that deep into any stuff like reddit or something
so I might not be up to date with peoples standards on the web
cerulean walrus
uncut echo
Nah
Its not
A standards issue
Are you telling me you'd prefer being called stupid
Or would you rather someone talk to you like I talk to people?
uncut echo
Yeah
royal lantern
if somone tells me stupid stuff, i just turn off and ignore
red swift
as a person who just recently joined it's wild how different this discord feels to the monk one and then hearing about the dh discord too lol I thought they'd be kinda similar vibe, guess I was completely wrong
uncut echo
as a person who just recently joined it's wild how different this discord feels ...
Care to explain?
You kind of caught us at a bad time lmao
red swift
haha
royal lantern
ye
gleaming stratus
uncut echo
This is the singular best discord I ever joined, hence me trying my best to stave off cringe dooming
red swift
you guys are pretty fun, just seems like there's a lot more random chatting going on, though we have the longue for that in peak
cerulean walrus
That’s just cause
red swift
I do really like it, didn't mean in a bad way, just wasn't expecting ^^
royal lantern
you guys are pretty fun, just seems like there's a lot more random chatting goin...
tbf, that part is because assa is legit a dead spec rn 
cerulean walrus
Of the recent discussions
red swift
DH does sound messed up if you weren't exaggerating
royal lantern
nothing really to discuss beyond "ye, kinda sucks, wait for changes and stop dooming"
cerulean walrus
Yeah #assassination is just #off-topic2
uncut echo
you guys are pretty fun, just seems like there's a lot more random chatting goin...
Ye. Hard to have newcomers in here to explain stuff if people don't wanna play it 😅
red swift
fair enough
grim jay
Its not
dunno. I always try to behave in a way that wouldnt piss myself off if I were to get treated that way, even if I have a bad day. my standard is not being disrespectful and to not insult people at all if possible.
uncut echo
DH does sound messed up if you weren't exaggerating
I got called a tranny big F word for gay and told to kill myself
uncut echo
dunno. I always try to behave in a way that wouldnt piss myself off if I were to...
As it should be for everyone!
red swift
well, I just started playing and I kinda enjoy it so you'll have me :D Just need to survive one more week of uni before I have more time to play
gleaming stratus
i tested the new 4p assassination doesn't feel good, doesn't feel viable without puzzle box / Exsanguinate still in use.
uncut echo
If you ever want a log review for some minmaxy stuff, I'd be glad to help. :)
uncut echo
i tested the new 4p assassination doesn't feel good, doesn't feel viable without...
Ye 4pc is big cringe.
royal lantern
I got called a tranny big F word for gay and told to kill myself
went into felhammer once cus i had a DH alt in BfA and had a question, people told me the "xddd we should be allowed to hunt and kill furrys xddddd" "joke" and then got DM's aswell
i love felhammer
gleaming stratus
grim jay
felhammer is like 99% straight up bullshit and skyhold feels really passive aggressive and unhelpful. the only 2 other discords that kinda feel good to be a part of thus far for me are priest and monk
uncut echo
Dk and rogue
red swift
Right now I can tell a bunch of the mistakes I make myself cause I'm still not used to my keybinds, but once I get a bit more comfy with the spec I'll give you a shout
uncut echo
Right now I can tell a bunch of the mistakes I make myself cause I'm still not u...
I'll be here!
royal lantern
the classes with a smaller playerbase for some reason
grim jay
Right now I can tell a bunch of the mistakes I make myself cause I'm still not u...
worst thing is when you get used to keybinds but then realize another bind would make more sense and you suddenly press the bind you couldnt get used to before instead of the new one
😄
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Prot will just direct you to pins because they are mentally beat down from explaining the same thing every 30 seconds since launch but isn't too egregious.
royal lantern
Right now I can tell a bunch of the mistakes I make myself cause I'm still not u...
big trick: you should make a general keybind loadout for all classes in the game, make the generic filler always the same key, the filler aoe the same key, the major cd the same key, the major deff the same key, kicks/cc/mobility etc....
it makes swapping bettwen classes/specs WAY more easy
grim jay
yeah thats literally what I do aswell
doesnt 100% fit every class
but it makes stuff easier
I aswell use number for ST and alt + number for the aoe counterpart
if possible
uncut echo
Like for example to Tryans point
Ambush / shadowstrike
Q for me
Execute on warrior
Q
Etc
red swift
big trick: you should make a general keybind loadout for all classes in the game...
I try to for most, but some of the more utility or cd keys just don't match up with the numbers and it takes a bit for me to get used to because of it, especially since I main a healer and I got used to binding my healing buttons mostly to mouse
royal lantern
Q is stuns for me
red swift
so it feels different
red swift
but I do have sort of main builder, main spender, main movement, interrupt, defensives buttons and the like
royal lantern
like, generic aoe is always R for me, kick always F, generic filler 1, the "big hitter" (envenom/mortal strike etc....) is 3, major cd is f2 etc......
red swift
but I keep forgetting for example where my vanish is when trying to do the opener lol
gleaming stratus
mouse wheel up Crimson vial Mouse wheel down Feint , then shift up Evasion shift down Cloak of shadows
deft flicker
big trick: you should make a general keybind loadout for all classes in the game...
I used to do this but the more specs I try out the more hard it becomes. Might just be implementation issue though, but I sometimes struggle to fit in rotational stuff
red swift
yeah, but I need to remember which order I press them in
deft flicker
Especially when trying healers
royal lantern
i mean, healers are different in general
but the funny thing is, you do the same for healers, cus the general healer toolkit is simmelar aswell
deft flicker
It’s like I need twice as many rotational buttons with easy access but idk where to get them
royal lantern
It’s like I need twice as many rotational buttons with easy access but idk where...
step1: dont play priest
priest keybinds are insane
deft flicker
Yeah
royal lantern
legit the most stupid bloat class in the game
was allready really bad, DF just made it worse
red swift
I got used to just binding things to like, LMB/RMB/MMB, shift + LMB/RMB/MMB and so on for my healing spells at some point, to save myself keyboard space, cause I sucked at making binds
but with priest I ran out of buttons with modifiers anyway lol
deft flicker
Priest sort of bleeds into utility binds with rotational stuff because you don’t have a kick, your movement is just feather (maybe grip), but still the bloat is insane
royal lantern
man
i grip
fking grip
why is leap of faith the ability that gets a CD reset from evoker
deft flicker
No idea
Imagine if it was a cd reset on dispersion instead though
imagine if dispersion was available to holy/disc
red swift
I'm a bit salty that symbol of hope reduces cd on fort brew for monk, since I usually can't afford to spend the points to get it, would prefer dampen harm
deft flicker
Yeah, that sucks
royal lantern
*imagine if dispersion was available to holy/disc*
imagine if holy/disc had any form of mobility/cc/deffensive abilitys
royal lantern
I'm a bit salty that symbol of hope reduces cd on fort brew for monk, since I us...
rogue gets vial reduced LMAO
red swift
royal lantern
i loved the blizz logic during alpha/beta
deft flicker
imagine if holy/disc had any form of mobility/cc/deffensive abilitys
B..b..but they have PsYcHiC cReAm
royal lantern
"we add aoe cc for shaman/evoker"
"there is to much aoe cc in the game, we remove shining force on priest cus of it"
like
that was LEGIT WHAT THEY SAID
red swift
does rogue have any?
royal lantern
nope
deft flicker
And then they give mages blast wave
red swift
I was so surprised, I was like
if any class would have it, it'd be rogue, the king of utility
deft flicker
Which is literally shining force but mage
royal lantern
if any class would have it, it'd be rogue, the king of utility
rogue utility is vastly overblown by people that dont play the class
like, rogue CC is nothing special
red swift
yeah, I'm feeling that rn
royal lantern
for pve is even on the weaker side cus it has no aoe cc lol
rogue is the pinnacle example of "people have no idea about it, dont play it, but think its op and make shit up"
deft flicker
does rogue have any?
No true AoE CC but a lot of target stops with an option to go full ham with dance+cheap shots
royal lantern
kidney vs hammer/stormbolt/dk choke is a joke
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Rogue utility is weighed against pvp where every opinion is emotion based
royal lantern
3stuns that are off gcd and low cd vs a stun that is 1sec longer, on the gcd, costs energy and needs resources to use
"rogue is king of stuns"
oak tangle
rogue "used" to have pog cc, then they gave easy options for aoe cc's with the new talent trees and stuff. and made a bunch of mobs that our cc's no longer work on anyway
royal lantern
No true AoE CC but a lot of target stops with an option to go full ham with danc...
the problem is, if you use dance for cheap spam, its still very slow cus you do 1 stun each gcd, and fuck all your dmg
+assa cant take dance
deft flicker
Assa has IC with garrote silences
royal lantern
rogue "used" to have pog cc, then they gave easy options for aoe cc's with the n...
it was even that way pre DF lol
like
in PvE, aoe cc rules
oak tangle
it was even that way pre DF lol
yeah, but alot more classes now can take their aoe cc and their other options which were mutually exclusive before
deft flicker
I feel like lack of AoE CC is the only weakness of our utility as a class
mental flower
What am I missing regarding prophetic twilight gem in annulet? Why would that be BiS since its a healing effect?
royal lantern
blood gem triggers it
oak tangle
blood stone
deft flicker
I don’t mind it, have some option for less DR to everyone or more DR to just the tank
deft flicker
What am I missing regarding prophetic twilight gem in annulet? Why would that be...
Blood gem counts as healing and a damage effect at once which creates feedback loops with the third gem
royal lantern
you mean less dr to everyone that doesnt work for most situation, and less cast time on mobs(not dissing mindnumbing, mindnumbing is good in dungeons)
mental flower
Ooh I see, thanks everyone
oak tangle
i don't know if it's just me, but i also essentially never use blind this patch. where it used to be far more common to do smaller pulls or an affix that needed it
can only think of 3 mobs that we want to sap even
deft flicker
you mean less dr to everyone that doesnt work for most situation, and less cast ...
Yep. I don’t mind it being on the tree though, if that’s what gives rogue a spot in raids - so be it
At least we don’t refresh it every pull
royal lantern
you didnt really use blind much anyway
blind is mostly a emergency 2min spell stop
oak tangle
worked in addition to sap with ghunie bois and the inspired guys
but that was also in an aoe cap time
just feels like individual cc has not mattered for a long time, and i guess bliz kinda agreed as they brought an affix dedicated to it
deft flicker
Yeah
spice surge
and, well, that the rogue "raidbuff" is a joke
Numbing could be really good in niche scenarios. Like first boss rlp or mobs before second boss in nokhud
Or third boss of nokhud for attack speed reduction
If similar mechanics were to exist in a raid it would be really good
royal lantern
If similar mechanics were to exist in a raid it would be really good
only time mindnumbing was relevant in raids was.......denathrious and big intermisson add on sylvanas
atleast from when i remember
storm belfry
man i asked why a demo lock was doing low dps and i get told by the healer its because he moves to clear thundering
and proceed to get flamed cause i didnt put balls in on crawth
steel ridge
demo is super mobile atm
red swift
yeah, depends on procs a bit, but you sually have a few instant casts to use
spice spire
Demo is mobile
Until it can’t be
Then for 15s it needs rest: then yeah fuck it we ball let’s move
storm belfry
i just remember almost always having something to cast wheile moving
procs out the ass
like you cant blame thundering for low dps
red swift
yeah, it's a pain when you get unlucky with the procs sure, but it shouldn't be a huge deal to move for thundering once in a while
royal lantern
yeah, it's a pain when you get unlucky with the procs sure, but it shouldn't be ...
dps brains mate
we talk about people that will give you a 20page explanation why its bad for them to press interupt
drowsy hollow
I will say, ranged get one shot less than melee right now haha. Two keys in a row had a dps warrior then a dps ret eat every cleave or aoe effect in the game
royal lantern
bruh
warriors are floor PoV by default
they are busy telling 20people at once why fury IS THE BEST GAMEPLAY EVER!!!!!!!
and ret's rn are outlaw/dh fotm chasers
aka the normal people that play like shit and chase fotm to get carried by it
brazen zodiac
o.o
static coral
how close are feral and sin dps?
woeful meteor
in what content/scenario?
woeful meteor
feral pretty good sin bottom tier
strange python
Feral not looking good next tier but neither is assa so
vestal wren
i thin ret is one of the few specs in the game that likes the tier set
uncut echo
dps warrior likes their tier too
red swift
feels like most healers right now do, well the ones I know about anyway so monks, priests and druids
strange python
dps warrior likes their tier too
Fury set is good but they don’t do damage lol
proven jasper
brazen zodiac
uncut echo
hmm
strange python
Don’t listen to <@456226577798135808> feral good
Reroll at your own peril lol
both our rework and our tierset are ass imo
grim jay
The day feral is meta on live is the day they get claws of shirvallah as appearance option
Because better visuals = better dps
Everyone needs to embrace the testo-cat
ebon notch
@uncut echo i got hired as a mercenary today
ebon notch
helping a guild on rasz prog for gold
royal lantern
i would call that a whore tbh
eager solstice
when did whispyr say he would have some sims ready by?
ebon notch
havent been on rasz in over a month
the nerfs made it a completely diff fight
but the guild were super nice
uncut echo
when did whispyr say he would have some sims ready by?
Idk if they said when they'd have sims by because we don't know the final state of tuning yet.
eager solstice
Idk if they said when they'd have sims by because we don't know the final state ...
Thanks
storm belfry
both our rework and our tierset are ass imo
tame topaz
quick question - is crimson tempest used as an aoe finisher if there are a lot of mobs? (like algethar academy) or just to apply the dot and continue envenom on a main target
(kinda like smackin' primal wrath on feral for the initial slap damage in massive packs)
fading wigeon
quick question - is crimson tempest used as an aoe finisher if there are a lot o...
Yes on 6+ mobs it's our combo point dump , more here #assassination-faq
tame topaz
thanks!
true basalt
Those poison bomb procs are so satisfying
storm belfry
I do envenom if pack isn’t moving and ct/all bleeds are up. If pack is moving I CT. Iirc whispyr said it doesn’t matter really which one you use @tame topaz
tame topaz
Those poison bomb procs are so satisfying
Everytime HNNNGH
vapid sierra
I do envenom if pack isn’t moving and ct/all bleeds are up. If pack is moving I ...
i might be an hour late
is poision bomb also a ground effect that damage anything in it?
is that why envonem if shit not moving?
marble magnet
crippling or atrophic poison for mage tower?
balmy condor
crippling or atrophic poison for mage tower?
I suggest numbing
marble magnet
for which?
balmy condor
for your non-lethal
brazen zodiac
marble magnet
i mean, for what value?
tepid lichen
any1 playin sin in keys
balmy condor
There’s people yes
tepid lichen
worth it or just keep playing sub ? sub getting boring ngl
balmy condor
Depends on what your definition of worth is
balmy condor
Like if you want to play it, play it idk
autumn frost
I mean assassination can do just find in 20's
tepid lichen
worth is not gimping my group too heavily at the cost of having more fun
autumn frost
We're not terrible and we bring lots of utility. And we have survivability only rogues have.
brazen zodiac
no its ok in 20s, 22s
balmy condor
It’s still a rogue
tepid lichen
roger
balmy condor
You wouldn’t gimp anything
tepid lichen
puzzle box mandatory or no
balmy condor
Not mandatory in m+ at all
tepid lichen
oki
balmy condor
Fuck the box
tepid lichen
kek
autumn frost
I've only done 21-20's but from the damage I'm doing it should be fine up to 23.
sweet dawn
I'm terrible and managed to do 20s as assa, a good player should do just fine lol
shut owl
I've almost finished a 20 world tour as sin. Just been shit weeks when I had free time :/
Also guild seeking takes a lotta my m+ time
tranquil imp
Anyone got a good macro for Applying weapon poisons?
grizzled mist
which poisons does assassination use?
tranquil imp
I guess it depends if you have the talent with all 4
Deadly Amp Numbing and Crippling?
forest magnet
hey, for aoe i stop use rupture and garrot if i have enough energy regen right ? And is better to use rupture than garrot to get the agility buff ?
balmy condor
correct
but the difference in garrote/rupture in terms of which dots you have out doesn't really matter too much
garrote is a lot easier to get up, and rupture costs combo points
combo points that would be better spent on an envenom or CT
forest magnet
Oh ok so we don’t care about agility buff from rupture
balmy condor
nah we don't play around it
it's basically just a buff we get passively that helps with carnage
forest magnet
ok ty
dawn forge
Anyone got a good macro for Applying weapon poisons?
#showtooltip
/use [button:1] Deadly Poison
/use [button:2] Numbing Poison
Off the top of my head
hoary remnant
With new tier set we do still not use ct in st? Want to test a full normal run sin today
royal lantern
With new tier set we do still not use ct in st? Want to test a full normal run s...
right now, thank god, we dont
but just wait until blizz fixes assa aoe by giving CT a flat 40%dmg buff and we do again
slim pebble
uncut echo
Warcieft
burnt latch
Hello
royal lantern
cease
spice spire
Warcieft is objectively correct 
uncut echo
spice spire
Real
subtle kiln
almost like not having melee auto attacks to proc your poisons and shit is bad
drifting cosmos
SL sin
subtle kiln
it’s the uptime meme
uncut echo
I see i gotchu
hallow token
tangent: in the spirit of not dooming, I will say: I do like that the short radiues, character-centered aoe we have definitely makes it easier to deal with mobs when questing, getting to and dealing with certain rares, etc. I do like that. Was top 5 in LFR on large trash mobs (say maybe 6+ targets gathered properly) and on bosses; was even #1 DPS on spider, stuff like that.
unborn geode
I have a question concerning the new ring...
What combos have players found to be the best as I don't think wow head is accurate anymore on the best stones.
I'm currenting using: Freezing, Desirous, Prophetic and it seems to do better in use than other though sim and sites say other wise
hallow token
Desirous and Prophetic are good. Freezing or Storm for the third slot. Mileage may vary
The Wowhead recommendations are by Whispyr, who does all the pinned posts here. So.
I will say, I've had some fun surprises with Desirous, Prophetic, and Storm. Like when the procs all go off it is noticable.
unborn geode
Storm i have noticed the dmg but not the extra effect... freezing i have seen the dmg and extra...
true basalt
Storm is definetly the gem for m+ and raid encounters with aoe , while freezing is more for ST
unborn geode
I haven't noticed the storm vs freeze on aoe as much as i thought i would... ST i notice it but i guess i need to look closer
hardy dagger
assa on ptr is actully in the dumpster
royal lantern
assa on ptr is actully in the dumpster<:sucksman:1046546244413173760>
when no changes hapoen, a spec that needs changes is still bad? 😮
spice spire
hollow dirge
assa on ptr is actully in the dumpster<:sucksman:1046546244413173760>
Good, if true. Can’t expect changed if the spec is doing good, especially as a rogue player
pulsar dirge
if the encouters are st though this raid tier will be the easiest to balance
tawny bloom
Good, if true. Can’t expect changed if the spec is doing good, especially as a r...
this. ptr raid/m+ testing which shows bad numbers is our only hope now
unborn geode
assa on ptr is actully in the dumpster<:sucksman:1046546244413173760>
If the numbers keep low then they will hopefully see and it spec will get looked at... now we can only hope but i'm still planning on staying Sin even if its worse because it will come down to excution for my raid group over actual numbers unless the spec is completely garbage by a HUGE margin
oak tangle
i think i need some help with what dooming actually means
uncut echo
Wym memz
oak tangle
idk i just feel like that view point in itself is dooming. the "we are bad and it's good to be bad so we get changed"
storm forum
Spec is so garbage. Swapping to <x> next tier. Can't believe we need to wait until the stocks take another dip before the devs start looking at our spec again. Maybe we should call a hit on the devs. /s
I wanna doom
oak tangle
i'd just label that viewpoint as consigned dooming
storm forum
I think my favorite dooming is when the spec is good
uncut echo
idk i just feel like that view point in itself is dooming. the "we are bad and i...
Yeah, I also just don't talk about it every chance I get
storm forum
Oh man we're doing too much damage and there's so many things to cloak. I can't believe blizzard hasn't nerfed us yet. They're letting us have it too good for too long. We're going to get put in the dumpster with 0 cleave compensation buffs.
echo heath
I skipped 10.07 am I going to need this ring for season 2?
oak tangle
not this one (what you mean), but this one (eranog one)
echo heath
I've got the mythic eranog ring and cos ring
storm forum
I still haven't gotten the eranog ring yet
echo heath
I did the first day of 10.07 and got the meme ring but I don't really want to do anything with it
oak tangle
tbh i doom more about not getting eranog ring than the state of sin
storm forum
Not having the eranog ring helps me justify my low ilvl parses
storm forum
Ikr
Also I have 0 sockets
Cause I keep getting 3-6 ilvl upgrades from the vault
Lmao
uncut echo
tbh i doom more about not getting eranog ring than the state of sin
Based as fuck
oak tangle
my vault was an upgrade this week, i got 249 avoidance on my hands
i very nearly took a 421 helm to get rid of the cowl
storm forum
Yeet the cowl into the stratosphere
oak tangle
i'd feel less sad about no ring in vault if i'd even just had a 421 dagger drop either
true basalt
tbh i doom more about not getting eranog ring than the state of sin
I kinda accepted that i wont have it till the middle of next season
Got it on my priest 1st try tho…
oak tangle
it's gonna be so ass to get next tier, thsoe that have it wont do the content, so you'll be rolling vs all others
red swift
my first vault I got excited cause I got a rare ring.... and then realized it's the diurna one :c
storm forum
Ur healers will appreciate you if you use the diurna ring
true basalt
They should rlly do something about the ring cuz its gonna be weird to use a ring from previous content
oak tangle
i feel like there should be a PSA somewhere telling people to grab a socket token to use on the ring if/when they get it
storm forum
Oh will we be unable to socket it next season?
oak tangle
imagine you wait till the last week of season to get your socket token, and the ring drops that week
red swift
I mean it still is pretty good, but the other one would be cooler. Thought my rogue is just stupid lucky, since I also got puzzlebox from my 2nd AA, but I guess it's just pretty lucky
unborn geode
I skipped 10.07 am I going to need this ring for season 2?
If you got the top rings from CoS and Eranog and they are the best ilvl for them then i wouldn't bother... if you need a ring because you can't get upgrades the 10.0.7 ring will fit in fine
true basalt
Imma just roll with onyx annulet and cos ring if i dont get eranog
oak tangle
Oh will we be unable to socket it next season?
yeah socket tokens are season specific
storm forum
Rip
For m+ I'm certain ilvl will out scale the CoS and onyx rings
Idk about ST
I assume it will
oak tangle
i think the stats are a 451 for cos ring to be replaced
true basalt
Well that sucks… forcing us to use a ring from previous season with no way of socketing it
red swift
wait you mean like, I won't be able to use the socket tokens I got after this season ends?
true basalt
Bring fated vault for next season
unborn geode
I have a crafted ring and the Onyx ring currently... i haven't had the luck to get either ring
granted i did start raiding late on the toon
oak tangle
onyx will beat a 465 cos
grim jay
if the encouters are st though this raid tier will be the easiest to balance
imagine thinking they only balance around raid currently
winged veldt
after buffs the ring is about 1.5%/2.5% in single target/dungeons
explain again how cos betetr than onyx lol
storm forum
Did anyone say cos was better than onyx?
oak tangle
my original comment reads backwards so they might have gone off that
grim jay
Well that sucks… forcing us to use a ring from previous season with no way of so...
they already said it will get nerfed if it remains BiS
somewhere
winged veldt
nvm i guess i assumed alot there lol i am sorry haha
grim jay
the bigger issue than onyx is eggnog ring tho
storm forum
It's OK. I was worried I misread something lol
I guess I'm pugging some more mythic today.
oak tangle
i just pray that a 421 puzzle is not in the same place
winged veldt
nah i read memz comment then skimmed fast and typed like a moron is all lol
storm forum
We're not going to keep puzzle box for next tier are we?
winged veldt
better than me having a 421 box in vault and accidently clicked a cloak LOL
oak tangle
i have not seen anything for either side, but i would expect there to be good trinkets surely
storm forum
I just want a nice 2 min CD crit button to macro into vendetta
storm belfry
Vendetta?
winged veldt
if only we had vendetta lol
storm belfry
winged veldt
😦
upper crown
:Smoge:
oak tangle
imagine if they made vendetta and dm on a choice node
storm forum
Deathmark 
storm belfry
I like DM but I just prefer Vendetta I think
storm forum
Vendetta sounded cooler. Although I do like what DM does mechanically, it's cool.
pulsar dirge
vendetta was holding the spec back, now only blizzard does
winged veldt
I'm still holding out hope lol
storm forum
Also vendetta was funny. Point at someone for a whole global and that somehow makes you do 30% more damage to them.
oak tangle
dm is nice cause it doesn't punish target swapping
storm forum
Ur missing out on double Amp poison envenoms though 😢
hallow token
They could take 30 seconds or something off the Deathmark cooldown and probably that wouldn't hurt.
storm forum
Unless they also took 30s off of vanish cd
oak tangle
it would line up with exsang though
then we'd just have a cooked cd on vanish, which tbh wouldn't be the worst it'd be one step closer to removing vanish from being a dps cd
storm forum
Needing to hold vanish for a minute
Would actually be kinda cool
Cause you naturally want to use it later in the opener
So you can actually just send dm when it comes off cd
oak tangle
jokes about the new tier set and aoe gameplay. I would like death mark to do something when you kill that target
storm forum
I hate that
oak tangle
have it give you a lower cd based on time left on it's bleed
16s left no cd, 0s left 2 min cd
storm forum
Ok that doesn't sound awful
Oh
If DM gets lowered to 1:30 cd it would also pair with sepsis
Which gives a free stealth cast
Unless that's still bugged
oak tangle
i've no idea what sepsis does, i basically only played sin in SL once flag was meta
storm forum
Back then it was worse, but it's just a DoT with a bigger tick at the end, gets cdr if the target dies before it ends, and gives you a free cast of a stealth ability.
It used to give a free cast when it expired, but now it gives it on cast.
oak tangle
i wonder how strong it would have been if it was a bleed rather than nature
storm forum
So it would give venomous Wounds energy? Probably a bit better.
oak tangle
nah you'd potentially exsang it
royal lantern
vendetta and dm are litearlly the same button, why do you go full classic andy nostalgia mode for it lol
if DM would be played different, sure
but its just "slam on CD for more dmg" like vendetta
could have changed nothing there and it would be the same
oak tangle
why did they change vendetta to dm, would be curious as to why that was done
storm forum
DM is functionally different. It puts a bleed on the target and copies your DoTs. Vendetta was just point and do 30% more damage. DM is infinitely more interesting. But Vendetta was funny.
royal lantern
why did they change vendetta to dm, would be curious as to why that was done
probs cus they wanted to go away from a generic % increase, and instead make it something that is more "assassination"
storm forum
But yeah, generally they do the same thing which is do more damage to a single target
On a 2 minute cd
royal lantern
and DM and vendetta are not functionally different
the function of both is: major dps increase you slam every 2 min, you play them absolutely the same way
spice spire
Technically 
steel ridge
but DM can be dispelled 😄
royal lantern
like, you also did "vanish garrote for more dmg" with vendetta
nothing changed there
its litearlly the same button
oak tangle
they only function differently due to another spell which you can't convince me is not technically unintended / bug
spice spire
They do differ in function but the purpose is the same.
storm forum
Yeah
oak tangle
i refuse to believe they put a bleed on dm and thought that exsang would affect it
oak sky
The whole purpose of dm was to make a cd that felt impactful enough they could put it on the gcd
Also vendetta 30% damage increase=boring
Ignoring the fact that dm is basically the same thing
royal lantern
Ignoring the fact that dm is basically the same thing <:Cheesin:1004094333458317...
DM atleast has potential to be turned more interesting tbh
storm forum
The new DM has interaction with all the poison and bleed synergies by double them which feels better. Like infinite energy from ven Wounds. And double proc poisons for kingsbane.
royal lantern
vendetta was just the most generic offensive CD possible
while at the same time beeing a bad one kekw
storm forum
🐝
brazen zodiac
majestic creatures they are
thorn fjord
Bumble bee tuna
So bored right now that I’m leveling my mage
Huge DK stonks tomorrow tho
oak tangle
i am predicting shoulders from my mythic raid slot, and haste crit rings from my 2 m+ ones
storm forum
spice spire
actually did my 8 20's this week lol
Jesus dude
storm forum
8 20s is rly easy when you've got a group, but rly hard when all ur friends have stopped playing waiting for 10.1
!fuu
prisma monolithBOT
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spice spire
8 20s is rly easy when you've got a group, but rly hard when all ur friends have...
I mean yeah, I feel the latter applies
I’m one of the more frequent people in my guild currently
And I play like 5-10 hours a week. It’s the cycle of play nonstop; lose all brownie points, restore all brownie points during downtime of tier
Repeat
echo heath
It's OK to take breaks people, the game isn't going anywhere
wind condor
You’re bold if you’re still doing 8 20s, I’ve been on a full mythic vault + one 23 for weeks now, gotta play as little as possible before 10.1 and it’s required to have a full every week for atleast 10 weeks throughout prog
spice spire
I tanked a few keys this weekend
I was also in the tank role for a few this weekend as well
brazen zodiac
HA
thorn fjord
Was in the mood to rogue it up this week @spice spire
unreal bear
subtle tundra
oh this is a wow discord
storm belfry
I still am in love w not being tied to doing daily shit in WoW. Even tho I still log in everyday
subtle tundra
forever lost in the sauce
uncut echo
I was also in the tank role for a few this weekend as well <:Cheesin:10040943334...
Those keys went hard
simple gyro
!bs
prisma monolithBOT
Ambush/Mutilate Macro:
This should be seen as a "lazy" option, and is not recommended. It can be hard to control and requires a third-party macro addon to expand the games base functionality. We recommend ALWAYS keybinding ambush (either with a modifier, or an entirely different key)
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#assassination message
stoic vale
after looking at the FAQ im still a bit confused, i know i never exsanguinate after deathmark, but do I deathmark right after exsanguinate or wait unil exsang runs out?
round swift
Real quick before I go back to prepping my dragon, is Sin still looking hopeless for M+ next tier?
unborn geode
Real quick before I go back to prepping my dragon, is Sin still looking hopeless...
if you got a set group they could probably cover the weaknesses that sin bring to a group. if you pug more you probably will feel less good about your performance outside the other specs... now it doesn't mean its not playable
stoic vale
if I refresh garrote during the exsang + deathmark combo do I lose out on dps from those two cooldowns?
stoic vale
gotcha, so i should reapply garrote right before popping exsang?
spice spire
gotcha, so i should reapply garrote right before popping exsang?
I mean yes, but. Once you’ve exsang’d bleeds. Let them fall off completely before reapplying (don’t worry about pandemic)
stoic vale
ooo okay i gotcha ty ty
drifting cosmos
🤨I hope the spec is not considered as fine or good because it’s top of the chart in heroics all percentile
lapis rampart
is crimson tempest worth pressing in 2 target?
woeful meteor
oak sky
is crimson tempest worth pressing in 2 target?
maintain it
lapis rampart
maintain it
ok ty
storm belfry
I mean yes, but. Once you’ve exsang’d bleeds. Let them fall off completely befor...
almost brother
sin will rise
storm belfry
just did a 22 AV
thorn fjord
Should have done it sooner
storm belfry
idk how well i did let me post
thorn fjord
Yeah that’s solid
storm belfry
but since the timer nerf its so free
thorn fjord
Your deeps were good
storm belfry
Ngl im trying for 3k too lol
yeah same. i couldve had it like 2 months ago on my rdruid but then i started playing alts and here we are
no regrets tho
storm belfry
I have not, we should do that
at least i dont think so
i think i wouldve noticed by now
i added you on discord i dm
spice spire
Man I love AV so much
thorn fjord
Av was Chillen this week
spice spire
Pulling like that on bolstering week kinda GIGA monka tho
storm belfry
i inted on two pulls, i couldve broke 105k i think
storm belfry
Pulling like that on bolstering week kinda GIGA monka tho
yeah one of the big crystals one shot the tank and i had to kite
was very monkaS
spice spire
Yeah. I did it on a mega free week.
And rank just pulled rooms at once. Did 97k, but was only like 411 iirc - I legit cannot DPS a cos well.
I’ve been trying forever
I did a 91 once and that was a giga + socks pull run
storm belfry
i did a 23 cos this week idr what i did
wasnt amazing tho
plus i feel liek you can lose a decent chunk doing certain shit in that dungeon. nothing huge but enough to annoy me
as a rogue at least
storm belfry
Did one with scath last night and it was legit 67k <:ICANT:1030537928235040859>
wait let me see if mine is still there
smoge its not just my academy
i may start logging these next season
storm belfry
yeah i do like 350+ on each
drifting cosmos
Otherwise you’re going nowhere in overall
storm belfry
i think i broke 400 on one
also i never see anyone do bigger pulls in there every pug plays it safe
storm belfry
personally i dont like mouseover for step
oak sky
to do the pullars and poison
just let some of the pillars go off
storm belfry
ill step to something on accident
storm belfry
just let some of the pillars go off
i would if i didnt get yelled at
oak sky
storm belfry
id love to miss one
oak sky
that one on the right is the worst i feel like
spice spire
I cloak and tell them to get good
storm belfry
lmfao
spice spire
storm belfry
off topic but was just thinking how much keys I do and its wild i havent gotten a single essesnce
oak sky
i got one
storm belfry
not like i need em but still
oak sky
but only one
wary ice
I'm so starved for affection that I keep reading @spice spire as "game master (say it back)
spice spire
GM bullfango hope you’ve a glorious day (here’s your affection)
thorn fjord
i did a 23 cos this week idr what i did
People usually have issues with the second boss area… no idea why
thorn fjord
I cloak and tell them to get good
War stomp angle
somber sparrow
**Ambush/Mutilate Macro:**
**This should be seen as a "lazy" option, and is not ...
I just use a mod:shift macro so that when I hit shift, my mutilate button turns into ambush. It's pretty simple. I always wished they just automatically switched mutilate into ambush when the ability procced, but apparently that can't happen
gaunt moat
I don't think I'd like that, since sometimes I'd rather use mut over ambush.
for example, during opener with bloodlust, i am full on energy. i'd rather use mut to waste some, then have ambush to build next.
(I know ambush can proc ambush. but it's not consistent)
limber lion
Honestly it probably doesn't matter at all.
Back in Shadowlands we never pressed Ambush from Sepsis or in Stealth, but they've done some stuff to it in Dragonflight and introduced talents that work with it so generally it's always the better choice
royal lantern
blindside into blindside into blindside is the best thing in the game, change my mind
limber lion
Especially with Improved Ambush, oh wait
uncut echo
:3
rancid bane
is it a big dps loss to drop exsang?
drifting cloud
no
rancid bane
so, it's ok to take the improved poisons talent instead?
dusk summit
Does anyone know the math on using "Master Poisoner" with "Numbing and Atrophic Poison".
dusk summit
1.2% loss to take improved poisons
is that assuming you have two point in it or is that per point?
As on fort weeks I like 1 point imp poison
Master assassin and Iron wire
balmy condor
Does anyone know the math on using "Master Poisoner" with "Numbing and Atrophic ...
"increases their non-damaging effects by 20%."
so it's just 1.2x
atrophic is 3%
now it's 3.6%
oak tangle
0.6% the definitive difference between a regular and a master
silk bane
good luck in vault tmrw my lil doomers and see u all during our next wednesday afternoon slowmode!
shrewd night
gaunt moat
someone wrote a full rework of assassination tree
https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/copium-of-a-sin-rogue-pvp/1566660
I like most of his suggestions.
humble ginkgo
Everybody is so creative!
Always finding new ways to waste their time with Rogue talent tree's
They dont care about rogue and thats been proven plenty of times 8D
royal lantern
Always finding new ways to waste their time with Rogue talent tree's
people still coping, to rejecting the reality of "3weeks into the patch, 2abilitys get 5% more dmg"
burnt latch
I aint reading a thing this man says
humble ginkgo
Outlaw will get their tierset gutted even tho its bugged to shit
royal lantern
"Crimson tempest 5% more dmg, scent of blood gives 1%more agility now, assa aoe is saved" -blizz in ~1month
humble ginkgo
and sub will probably get %aura nerfed
humble ginkgo
Assa rework for open world content
PVP he said
Like I said
People just love to waste time
let them
working hard or hardly working
humble ginkgo
PVP = opinion invalidated
burnt latch
Truth
royal lantern
PVP = opinion invalidated
best thing skip ever said wtf
gaunt moat
Don't get me wrong, I think all his hard work is definitely wasted.
Because even if the community will do blizzards job, they still won't give a shit.
but i appreciate his effort.
royal lantern
but yeha, coping for a bigger rework at this point is.......nah, sorry, aint Happening
vestal wren
I like most of his suggestions.
no thanks
royal lantern
MAYBE for the next patch, but rogue rn will get % changes and thats it
gaunt moat
I said most hah. some of the sin suggestions i'm not a fan either,
but most are positive
royal lantern
tbf, thats not a high bar
gaunt moat
that is also true hah.
vestal wren
sub one is quite bad
gaunt moat
i didn't read sub's suggestions
vestal wren
its very wotlk inspired and would remove almost all modern subtlety concepts (also very pvp oriented)
digital pollen
can we do the creeping venom? looks totally balanced
balmy condor
????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
SWORDS?
??????????????
bro
I'll have what he's having
lmao
gaunt moat
yeah, those two, no idea what's up with those.
balmy condor
what is it with this guy and swords lmao
vestal wren
you would need to weapon switch to play
because you wouldn't be able to use ambush
vestal wren
but for me at least the sub one reads like "i want wotlk sub back"
vestal wren
gaunt moat
i think he wrote that from pvp perspective
balmy condor
oak tangle
why does this guy have a hard on for swords?
oak tangle
i mean i want sword transmogs to be enabled for my daggers, but i don't want it that badly i'd want to equip one
gaunt moat
Smart move is to use fist weapons
oak tangle
this is painful, being ignored queuing for heroic terros lol
deft flicker
why does this guy have a hard on for swords?
Making outlaw capable of using daggers in mh would’ve been too easy
royal lantern
Making outlaw capable of using daggers in mh would’ve been too easy
i dont want that
it would be a buff for outlaw
serene fossil
it would be a buff for outlaw
Wut
royal lantern
tbh, it would make rogue a full dagger class, cus outlaw would never use 1h weapons again
serene fossil
daggers have morr attack speed
Ye i know, just trying to process how much it would differ if at all since attackspeed is normalized on all except poison
A dagger OH is like 0.1-0.2% more for outlul vs a 1h in OH so idk how much if at all a dagger mh would change anything
royal lantern
also more energy from more attacks
cus faster mh hits=you do more offhand hits=you gain more energy as outlaw
serene fossil
balmy condor
the math ain't mathing
oak tangle
something something 55% more attack speed on more attack speed
royal lantern
the math ain't mathing
leme cook
royal lantern
steel ridge
sin was a fistweapon spec in bfa shortly
royal lantern
i forgog that
serene fossil
everything else is normalize
Alright so my math still correct
steel ridge
for one boss
vestal wren
daggers + snd as only finisher
serene fossil
daggers + snd as only finisher
Seems more fun ngl
vestal wren
not my cup of tea
balmy condor
Alright so my math still correct
yeah tryan's cooking a 5 course gourmet meal
serene fossil
Tbh i just want my one specific dagger mog on outlul
If it wasnt for dagger being a tiiiiny bit better in OH i could dual sword mog (outside of artifact) and be fine with it
But i want my one specific dagger mog which only works on dual dagger
royal lantern
yeah tryan's cooking a 5 course gourmet meal
balmy condor
serene fossil
https://tenor.com/view/doge-cute-dog-shiba-inu-assistant-no-gif-5739620
Literally tryan right there
serene fossil
its 11am, im tired and bored
Time is same in eu everywhere& we all are tired and bored
subtle tundra
Man since poe league launch I managed to wake up every day as my alarm started
This doesn't happen
And I'm not tired either
royal lantern
@balmy condor allright, next cooked assa take inc: instead of "omg make FoK lime shuriken storm and give a cp for each enemy" make it generate a CP for every enemy that gets hit with it and has garrote or rupture
now roast me why its shit
balmy condor
it's the same as shuriken storm except only when carnage is up
oak sky
i had this great idea
envenom causes your bleeds and poisons to tick 100% faster for 4 seconds and no longer consumes deadly poison
balmy condor
I hate you
subtle tundra
Just combine assa and sub into one. Except it keeps subs abilities and it gets renamed to subtlety
oak sky
just replace the rotten side with mutilate or something
royal lantern
just replace the rotten side with mutilate or something
kingsbane
will probably do more dmg on sub anyway
oak sky
@balmy condor do you have a slowmode message on copypaste for tomorrow?
balmy condor
I do not
subtle tundra
<@167090536602140682> do you have a slowmode message on copypaste for tomorrow?
Uhh it's today smartie pants
deft flicker
cus faster mh hits=you do more offhand hits=you gain more energy as outlaw
That one is normalised, dagger procs only give like 7 energy per autoattack
royal lantern
@balmy condor next cooking incomming: twist the knife is the current 2set, aka envenom also gives you more bleed dmg for the buff duration
makes more sense for a talent named TWIST THE KNIFE instead of " buff is longdr on you lol"
need to cook moaaaaar
steel ridge
Uhh it's today smartie pants
you mean today is the next round of balancing all other classes except rogue?
royal lantern
steel ridge
someones overdosed on hopium it seems
misty holly
<@167090536602140682> do you have a slowmode message on copypaste for tomorrow?
We gonna need it after all the buffs are datamined. This place will be hopping.
tiny ember
don't you get tired of being dissapointed week after week expecting some news for rogue and then....like your ex they never came
deft flicker
don't you get tired of being dissapointed week after week expecting some news fo...
No
oak sky
Theres nothing to expect besides being within 5% of the most mid spec in the game in either direction
After tuning
serene fossil
don't you get tired of being dissapointed week after week expecting some news fo...
Perfect class - no changes needed
steel ridge
insert thanos gif
serene fossil
*insert thanos gif*
Done
steel ridge
assassination is stuck in a place between good ST and bad AoE and blizzard doesnt seem to know what direction it wants go with it. clearly being top ST is not acceptable, hence the RWF nerfs.
steel ridge
it doesnt seem to find a solution to the CT dilemma, making it pump in AoE while avoiding to put it on the ST rotation
burnt latch
Reverse target cap 
does more damage per target the dot is applied on
steel ridge
back in beta, when poison bomb was pumping in AoE, that was not acceptable aswell, so it got butchered
steel ridge
Reverse target cap <:Feelsmala:916818757932945438> does more damage per target t...
yeah we had that idea a few times before, but somehow blizzard doesnt like it from the looks of it
would be the most obvious and easy fix to an otherwise conviniently placed talent in the tree
is there an actual ability in the game that does something like a reverse target cap?
unholy dk apparently does it in a different way
royal lantern
i still cant get over those nerfs and i dont even play assa
the entire situation was so surreal
"3rogue specs, outlaw wins in cleave, sub has great st and great aoe, assa has slightly higher st but 0aoe"
"nerf them all, and nerf assassination extra"
like
what?
bold drum
could probably reason with the assa nerfs if it was a big st raid but that wasnt the case either
royal lantern
yeha lol
bold drum
and now we have specs doing more st than assa did pre nerf
vestal wren
Well sub sux at low target cleave
While sin is on par with outlaw
The issue is talents for outlaw don't rly change
steel ridge
sub sucking at 2T is something blizzard doesnt seem to get a hold of aswell
vestal wren
It's interessting
steel ridge
they could make Strike cleave one more target during symbols or something
like sweeping strikes or whatever
vestal wren
Given how much effort we already have in 2t
But I agree sin is not strong enough in st
And onyx waters the diffrence down further
steel ridge
yeah onyx favors sub and outlaw more it seems
outlaw especially because of BtE
and sub because of db, vt and dd i think
subtle tundra
While sin is on par with outlaw
Is it
vestal wren
!fuu has sims
prisma monolithBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz
royal lantern
And onyx waters the diffrence down further
what onyx lol
steel ridge
And don't say ap
no the cookie cutter ST build
vestal wren
Because sin gets 2% while sub is on 5 or so
So the gap closes between sub and sin on pure st
royal lantern
no the cookie cutter ST build
the build that nobody plays this tier excep for terros?
steel ridge
huh i played it on every boss except council but havent done reclear for weeks now