assassination

[winged quail]

Nah I cba

[thorn fjord]

Unholy got out in a weird spot

[vapid sierra]

dude our unholy does godly st

[thorn fjord]

Put*

[vapid sierra]

he opens for so much

[oak sky]

Windwalker is so fun

[thorn fjord]

Yeah but then it falls off significantly

[vapid sierra]

oh yeah

[oak sky]

DO NOT remove monk

[vapid sierra]

but still does crazy st over the fight

[winged quail]

Sin as a class is designed for ST dmg and extended cleave on one or two targets

The way dots function simply fit that style of fight

[thorn fjord]

I think with UH they had a high dmg profile with sub optimal gear so they were performing higher sooner… the rework did affect things too tho

[burnt latch]

”This is an ”insert spec” tier cuz the bosses seem really good for ”insert spec” is a massive copium take when its literally just about how much damage your spec happens to do in that patch

[winged quail]

That's too low IQ to argue gonna go back to my show

[runic hinge]

This is my first season playing rogue and I’m having more fun playing wow than I have I years.

[burnt latch]

Unlucky, ill try to gather more knowledge about the game for our next debate

[oak sky]

Yeah its funny literally every spec is designed to do good st

[burnt latch]

This lmao

[vapid sierra]

ive only played a rogue tbh

[burnt latch]

U dont design a spec to fucking blow on ST

[winged quail]

Ok

Let's say

The fights were all designed around burst AoE

[vapid sierra]

i think blizzard intends for some classes to do good aoe

[burnt latch]

Too low iq remeber, got a show to watch

[vapid sierra]

and some to do good st

[oak sky]

St is consistently the damage profile blizzard cares about balancing the most

Like objectively

[winged quail]

Would Sin ever function in a burst AoE situation?

[vapid sierra]

so id think some classes would be more st designed

[winged quail]

When all the damage is in dots?

[vapid sierra]

no its dot based

[winged quail]

Exactly

[vapid sierra]

same thing w aff

[burnt latch]

If they tuned sins aoe burst correctly it could

[winged quail]

No it couldn't

[oak sky]

lol but aff has done burst damage before

lmao

[burnt latch]

???

[oak sky]

aff literally

has the potential to do infinity burst aoe

[vapid sierra]

aff burtsts?

[burnt latch]

What the absolute cooked take is going on

[winged quail]

You can't have burst AoE dots and be balanced

[oak sky]

AFFS DOTS DO NO DAMAGE

AFFS DOTS DO NO DAMAGE

[sweet dawn]

If the burst happens to be checks notes 32 seconds then maybe

[burnt latch]

Lmao

[winged quail]

AFF burst AoE does not come from dots

[oak sky]

in 9.1 seed of corruption does

1 morbillion damage

like

literally the best burst aoe spec

[weak bane]

[oak sky]

in the game was aff lock

are we delusional?

[winged quail]

A damage OVER TIME cannot be burst

Like the definition does not fit

[oak sky]

so lets just say

they tuned poison bomb to do like

5 billion damage

what would we do

[winged quail]

Then we would be OP in singletarget

[vapid sierra]

didnt start playing till 9.2.5 tbh

[winged quail]

And get nerfed

[burnt latch]

They can tune the ST around poison bomb

Keep poison bomb strong and make everything else do less damage

[winged quail]

That is shit design

[vapid sierra]

stack like 10 sins and forget about adds

[burnt latch]

Your argument literally doesnt work when its all about tuning lmao

[winged quail]

No

[vapid sierra]

its more than tuning, its also design

[oak sky]

pretty much every "dot spec" does mostly instant damage in aoe

[vapid sierra]

some specs are more catered towards st

[agile breach]

Assassin looks fun but it’s annoying to play a spec that’s shit on all the tier lists

[burnt latch]

Hahahaha

[fading wigeon]

These conversations feel like they should be in the general channel

[vapid sierra]

this tbh

[burnt latch]

Keeps getting better and better

[spice spire]

[thorn fjord]

It’s Friday

Go spend time with loved ones

[midnight mist]

gm

[spice spire]

Tier lists in this holy of channels

GM mister Zac

[burnt latch]

Lmao

[spice spire]

Hope you have a lovely day

[burnt latch]

U cant make this up

[vapid sierra]

would play it but outlaw just better rn

gm

[oak sky]

gm

[midnight mist]

indeed about to go have a long sleep with hopefully some nice dreams

[winged quail]

If we are tuned properly our damage comes from our dots, as this fits the entire spec design of Sin. If we are tuned properly to be balanced and to have a functional damage profile, we will naturally do good ST and cleave on limited targets, and naturally bad burst AoE. We COULD be tuned for good burst AoE with 99% of our damage coming from PB procs, but that would be a complete failure on Blizzards behalf. The whole argument I made is that PROPER TUNING gives us a specific damage profile that fits the fight design of next raid

[burnt latch]

I need to read this channel more often tbh this is great

[winged quail]

Idk how you can even argue with that

Reading comprehension too hard it seems

[thorn fjord]

The irony

[winged quail]

Would you be happy if Sin went from being DoT based for years to randomly doing burst AoE?

Every tier for years where cleave on a couple of targets has been a good sin fight

[burnt latch]

Why do our dots need to do our damage for us to be tuned correctly. Is that a rule of playing assasination somewhere? If the spec does fuck tons of damage with envenoms being the majority share of our damage, we cannot be TUNED correctly, because it aint the dots. Tuning is off if thats the case, doesnt matter if we are the best overall performing spec in the game.

[winged quail]

Jesus christ

Sure

Let's make every spec builder spender

Sounds fun

[oak sky]

every spec is builder spender

[thorn fjord]

This existed minus no dot dmg

[oak sky]

what are you talking about

[burnt latch]

WHAT DOES THAT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH TUNING

tuning doesnt = spec design

[winged quail]

Sin with 0 dmg dots is like Feral with 0 dmg dots and that was complete garbage

Yes it does

Tuning should fit the design of the spec

Otherwise bliz have failed

[vapid sierra]

sin is designed to be a dot spec

[stuck knoll]

Can you name a spec that does damage with dots

[burnt latch]

You’re saying people cant read but you dont understand the meaning behind the basic words youre arguing with

Ironic

[midnight mist]

outlaw next tier

[vapid sierra]

sin

[winged quail]

Assassination right now does dmg with dots

[vapid sierra]

we getting ignite

combingin my 2 fav specs

[royal lantern]

its been 30min and no slowmode, im proud of you guys

[thorn fjord]

We’re getting there

[winged quail]

Idc I'm done

[midnight mist]

Why is this channel always like this

[oak sky]

does it really though

lol

[midnight mist]

do you guys even like sin

[oak sky]

no

[thorn fjord]

SV paradox

[spice spire]

Brethren i’m making mac and cheese

Can I do it in peace

Rn our biggest damage in st is envenom

[winged quail]

If ppl can't understand that damage profiles exist based on kits it's not worth being able to speak to them

[oak sky]

stop subbing bro

call people out

get real

[thorn fjord]

Bout to eat some baby back ribs and watch Mando

[royal lantern]

its 3am for me and about to get some sleep, so i wont stir shit up

[burnt latch]

Yeah man we need @s

[stuck knoll]

The episode was good this week

a bit silly

and not perfect

but better than the 1st half of the season

[thorn fjord]

Jack black is in it no?

[stuck knoll]

Ye

[burnt latch]

Man its kinda wild how bad the tuning is rn when like 90% of our damage isnt dots

Someone has to take a look at this and fix

[stuck knoll]

Yeah idk

[thorn fjord]

This season has been iffy but I’m still enjoying it

[stuck knoll]

I was gonna respond and just decided not to

No class "Just does dot damage"

[stuck knoll]

very up and down episode 3 was the worst

[winged quail]

1/3 of your dmg is dots. Now double the dot dmg on a 2-target fight

Meanwhile envenom stays the same

That's why it's good for cleave

[woeful meteor]

he doesnt know

[winged quail]

But anyway muting u cuz I really cba with droolers

[burnt latch]

Thats a massive aoe fight

[oak sky]

didnt realize 1/3 was a lot now

xd

[burnt latch]

Dont think it gets more aoe-y then broodkeeper

But go at it king prove your point

[winged quail]

Procs do too much dmg

[burnt latch]

Ahhh that’d be it

[winged quail]

Look at the % that does not even come from rogue kit

[burnt latch]

God darn procs ruining the tuning

[vapid sierra]

m kurog?

[winged quail]

Take away the borrowed power and the damage profile is good

[vapid sierra]

since sin sits boss

[stuck knoll]

You mean the 2 target fight

[spice spire]

[stuck knoll]

which assassination is the worst spec in the game at

[burnt latch]

Make tuning great again

[winged quail]

We have a decently designed spec as is, I'm not even dooming. We just need tuning to up some of the numbers. I'm legit finding Sin mega fun rn

Like idk did nobody here play during SoD? Did anyone here struggle to blast on the 2 target boss?

[royal lantern]

i banished SoD from my mind

[burnt latch]

I MADE THE CHANNEL GO INTO SLOWMODE IM SORRY ANYONE WHO WAS IMPACTED OR HURT BY MY ACTIONS

[woeful meteor]

Sod had a 2t boss?

[winged quail]

The Valkyrie things iirc

[spice spire]

@sweet dawn 0 days since slow mode

[spice spire]

[royal lantern]

that was a trivial boss you killed in 10-15 pulls lol

[spice spire]

The nine?! That was a primarily st boss

[oak sky]

the thing about that fight was it was an st encounter with added cleave so shit like frost mage outlaw and arms destroyed it

[sweet dawn]

Oh gods

[spice spire]

[winged quail]

That's not the point. Point is, it was a boss that fit the example damage profile I'm discussing...

[burnt latch]

[spice spire]

First two goons got clapped and you spent 2 minutes slapping the final one

[winged quail]

But anyway blocked the people that don't understand that different damage profiles for different specs is a good thing so I can go back to shit posting in peace gn

[ebon notch]

@burnt latch how was your day

[balmy condor]

We almost did it

[sweet dawn]

We almost made it, we tried so hard and gott so far

[burnt latch]

Not too bad it was sunny outside and played some ptr with the boys later, solid stuff thanks for asking how about u

[ebon notch]

it was ok this boss looked like a decent bit of fun, couldve killed if it wasnt so buggy

[balmy condor]

More like We tried so hard and mein Gott

[sweet dawn]

Mein gott in himmel

[royal lantern]

IN THE EEEEEND

[sweet dawn]

IT DOESN'T EVEN MATTEERRRRRRRRR

[shrewd night]

Hear the BRRRR BRRRRR discord sound

Tune into the local assassination channel

Go back to bed

[royal lantern]

why not sing with us, instead of ruining it

[shrewd night]

Hey its me

Koffing

the C-C-C-C-C-COMBOBREAKER

[oak sky]

shiennar my king

[shrewd night]

Yes, my son. Join us in the Meownar kingdom.

[spice spire]

@shrewd night will I be seeing you more now that you’re the dot melee spec

Surely it’s assassination

[shrewd night]

Bitespec

[spice spire]

Surely

[shrewd night]

Surely

Wait

Dotspec

Isnt that sub?

[oak sky]

no what are you talking about sin dots do damage right now

[shrewd night]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/807809192537882647/1037699272012988486/1CFC6F34-BB31-40F6-AA72-DE250F097A90.gif

[winged quail]

Design wise sin is and will always be a dot spec but ppl have short memories. Ppl too focused on tuning and not on the design. It's mind numbing didn't know warriors could reflect poison but they managed

[oak sky]

tuning is design buddy

[shrewd night]

[winged quail]

We have 3 dots, both our CD's do dmg based on our dots, we have one non-dot spender

[midnight spire]

heya!!!

[winged veldt]

Bruh why is this same shit convo still going on repeat

[royal lantern]

mate

assa is no "pure" dot spec like you act it is, dots make up a good chunk of your dmg, but dots for assa are more used as an enabling tool, by giving you energy when you dot multiple targets, more dmg by dotting things with talents, dots making abilitys like Kingsbane stronger etc......

if assa would be like you think is "perfect", then 80% of thr dmg would be garrote+rupture, and where the fuck is that good gameplay, its litearlly 2buttons

[winged quail]

If you look at the buttons we press and not the post-fight damage, how much of our kit is designed around applying dots? Our only non-dot damage is a spammable builder and a filler spender. I'm not saying the tuning is good rn, that was my whole point. If the tuning is good, we are a dot class

[shrewd night]

Ah, its one of those nights

[midnight spire]

any reason why serated bone spike over lightweight shiv?

[winged veldt]

No one fucking cares tbh, and blizzard not reading or caring what you type here. The people you are trying to get through to aren’t listening either. So all you are accomplishing is filling the chat with garbage

[shrewd night]

Yo guy, chill.

[winged veldt]

@shrewd night nah I’m good. Thanks for your concern though.

[shrewd night]

[winged quail]

What I'm saying is as far as good ST classes go, Sin from a design perspective does better long cleave than other ST classes because a good portion of our damage comes from dots. Obviously we shouldn't be ALL dots, but they should be significant enough to matter

[somber fractal]

guys, im gonna.....im gonna.....DOOM

[burnt latch]

Oh its still going on

[woeful meteor]

light wight shiv does nothing its one more shiv usage per fight

[winged quail]

I'm pretty sure we agree btw

[burnt latch]

[oak sky]

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-doggo-adorable-cute-heart-gif-17686494

[shrewd night]

Nice embed buddy

[stuck knoll]

Damn your slowmoded message doesn't embed unlucky

[earnest remnant]

[stuck knoll]

gettem next time champ

[balmy condor]

Dog doggo adorable cute heart gif

[royal lantern]

cant even post dog gifs here smh my head

[balmy condor]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-doggo-adorable-cute-heart-gif-17686494

I’ll join you brother

[burnt latch]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-doggo-adorable-cute-heart-gif-17686494

[woeful meteor]

that emote name lmao

[ember mural]

[gaunt moat]

One day rogue will get patch notes. it will be glorious.

[uncut echo]

wow, channel got slowmoded because of dooming

[balmy condor]

yeh

happens

[oak sky]

(daily)

[balmy condor]

for some reason people see wowhead balance tuning, dont see rogue on it, and they're compelled by the spirits above to come into assa and complain about it like we don't know

[uncut echo]

neat

[oak sky]

instead of talking about lack of changes we should talk about my lack of bitches @spice spire thoughts?

[silk bane]

wait i posted the patchnotes and left as a meme. didnt mean to start a doomblade session. woops legit my bad ...didnt think people were this tilted

[shrewd night]

Assa. Tilted. Two words that seemingly belong together.

[balmy condor]

it's every fucking wowhead post bro, this channel is nuclear

weekly log reading? GUYS ASSA BAD
ptr notes without the word rogue? GUYS NO ROGUE CHANGE
11.0 announced? GUYS ROGUE WASNT IN THE TRAILER

people gotta breathe a little

[oak sky]

guys why is evoker getting a 3rd spec in the dragon expansion smh rogue should get a 4th spec

[shrewd night]

Guys. Ima tell my gm I reroll back, I cant be seen with this guy.

[noble ridge]

This is cool

[sudden brook]

At least it's moved from my domain

[uncut echo]

bro

[balmy condor]

[vapid sierra]

LMAO

[silk bane]

wait just realized stuck stabsis is an insane rogue name. time to make a new rogue yepge

[autumn frost]

Congratulations! Could you tell me what your specialization is for fortified weeks? I heard you use arterial precisions.

[spice spire]

Man rogue has had more buffs than your dog ass has had bitches 💀

[balmy condor]

I legit have people from this channel, who will remain unnamed, dm me the link to the azshara toy bugfix

and go "when will they fix rogue bugs"

deranged behavior

[spice spire]

[ember mural]

[shrewd night]

They even changed a leggo power from legion man, when fix bugs pls

[spice spire]

There’s no shot

[shrewd night]

[autumn frost]

Hey, speaking of that, I saw maple story bug fixes, let me screen shot that and send you a DM whispy r

[spice spire]

That was a funny fix

It’s actually copium now that people say dusk is going to ap

[balmy condor]

would be more topical than dm'ing me at 4:45 in the morning about a toy hotfix thinking I would have anything to say about it

[spice spire]

It’s the only reason

[oak sky]

dusk does not exist

[balmy condor]

I hope they have different strategies for dating apps, could you imagine

[spice spire]

Neither do bitches in your life

[balmy condor]

"hey, I saw your profile said you like long hikes, that's funny cause I just read an article about turtle shells"

[spice spire]

But im stupid enough to have hopium that’ll change

🤨

[misty kernel]

Guys

[spice spire]

(I love you Andrew)

[spice spire]

Yes mister zerocool?

[storm belfry]

hello

[oak sky]

he didnt know it was slowmode

[spice spire]

[balmy condor]

you're a menace

[noble ridge]

I personally like Ass more than the rest. Is it the best at what it's good at? No. Still like it tho so 🤷

[shrewd night]

Let me increase the timer so we can get some peace and quiet

[misty kernel]

UHDK and assa rogue at bottom in logs they BUFF UHDK and left assa again

[balmy condor]

[uncut echo]

1 hour slowmode please

[balmy condor]

I'm done bro

lmao

[oak sky]

BIGGER TIMER LETS GOOOOOO

[autumn frost]

Hey Zero!!! Congrats on 3500! What's your fortified specialization for mythic +?

[noble ridge]

Timer got buffed..... when will rogue get buffed?

[shrewd night]

Lets me it equivalent to the MR rolls pepe

[misty kernel]

Here we go again 🙂

[spice spire]

If you speak, you have to mute roulette too

[earnest remnant]

[spice spire]

[oak sky]

just did mine

[spice spire]

Ur right king

[autumn frost]

Thank you!!!

[ember mural]

Can't make me

[noble ridge]

Nice, everyone is dead

[misty kernel]

my Theory is 100% right one of the warcraft Devs Hate Assa there is no other explination they buff bottom 2 above assa Boomie and unholy and left assa again

[uncut echo]

we literally slowmoded the channel to stop dooming, and you're using your one message every five minutes to rile people up. Wise.

[shrewd night]

[balmy condor]

^^^

3 minutes it is

!

well

[shrewd night]

Generous

[balmy condor]

there wasn't an option for 3

but that's fine

we'll go to 5

[misty kernel]

am sorry am not writing here anymore i guess

[oak sky]

AT LEAST NOT FOR 5 MINUTES

[noble ridge]

Nice

[sweet dawn]

How did the dooming get WORSE

[autumn frost]

I appreciate and understand you Zerocool, do you run any different talents during tyrannical? I guess if I still want to take gouge I could trade iron stomach for it.

[sonic schooner]

Tbh frost shards of dom should be assa 's baseline. That was all for me bye o/

[royal lantern]

based take

[shrewd night]

I wish our envenoms shot a fireball at the target my g, straight up rogue shit

[ember mural]

[weak plover]

Yo zerocool do you keep iron wire in smbg?

[oak sky]

theres no way you guys are frost shard defenders i would rather play exsang until the end of time

[final star]

I will use my 5 minutes wisely to promote @gusty mirage

[royal lantern]

[autumn frost]

Frost shard was a nice survivability buff and I liked the damage it did and how much it benefitted from crit.

[autumn frost]

Should just make a temporary channel/thread where likeminded rogues can doom and gloom so we can vent our frustrations that we can nuke afterward. Thereby leaving this channel untouched but making a safe place where you dont have to monitor.

[balmy condor]

we're not here to provide therapy sessions for people

[oak sky]

I'm here to provide therapy sessions for you king

[balmy condor]

if you want to doom and gloom and spread negativity, do it in your head or scream at a wall or something

[royal lantern]

mate, you need therapy yourself

[uncut echo]

you can literally just add the people you see dooming here to your own server to complain together :) This channel is here to discuss how to play the class right now, and help others learn the spec. :)

[silk bane]

I legit feel bad. stop dooming btiches we got like legit the nicest looking tierset. Lowkey cant wait

[misty kernel]

not sbg not cos

[royal lantern]

dollar store shredder is cool ye, but will probably not use it anyway

ultra edgy glowing stuff always looks bad ingame imo(and lets not start about shoulder clipping)

[autumn frost]

I guess you dont have any trouble with the imps with your groups in cos then.

[misty kernel]

@autumn frost u can play iron wire but u make sure u dont garrot the inquester coz it gonna bug

[storm belfry]

I’ll admit it looks good but not better than mythic ToS

[royal lantern]

teeth rope set always looked like shit, even back in tbc, and people saying that its great just shows me that wow players have no clue what good looking stuff actually is

[sweet dawn]

Stay winning kings, can't wait to be The Shredder

[storm belfry]

tf is teeth rope

[runic hinge]

Damn. Time to reset the days without slowmode counter. What’d we get to 8?

[drifting cosmos]

slow mode incoming every week when there isn’t sin buff

[weak plover]

What is the inquisitor bug with iron wire?

[royal lantern]

or when there is a buff

or just out of fun

or just let it be permanent slowmode, its assa afterall, slower gameplay is part of the deal

[versed mica]

It still baffles me that balance and unholy are getting buffs when they were performing better than sin

[oak sky]

and the 5 minute timer stays for another few hours

[autumn frost]

If you iron wire silence searing glare it goes off anyway.

[oak tangle]

i just wanted to come here and say that it's actually an autumn day here and it too is beautiful

[spice spire]

Hey guys, back after two hours any updates?

[balmy condor]

still a bit doomy but slower

[spice spire]

[balmy condor]

I'm lowering to 2 min

actually

back to 1

should be fine

[oak sky]

not on my watch 😈

[storm belfry]

[hexed flicker]

What happened to warrant a 5 minute slowmode? Did they decide that assassination rogues were having a hand cut off in 10.1 and only using 1 dagger?

[oak sky]

whenever theres a new ptr or balance patch people always doom when we arent mentioned, its understandable but it always prevents productive discussion

[hexed flicker]

Ah I see. Well on a positive note I tried that opening rotation and managed 100k single target at its peak. I just have to remember to do the vanish in the middle.

As an aside how do I get bone spike to remove from the target dummy to try again from scratch?

[oak sky]

um log out or just have it be there

[hexed flicker]

Cheers.

[runic hinge]

I usually just fly far away

[versed mica]

man, guys. Sin rogue has had so many uhh positive changes this expansion. Deathmark is pretty cool yeah

[hexed flicker]

Not being a mythic raider I don't mind it. But I do feel the pain of its mediocrity compared to other classes. I don't raid with other rogue specs so I don't have to see how bad it is vs them.

[unreal coyote]

Imagine reading UH getting buffed

[autumn frost]

They reduced a 3 point node to 2 points! That was pretty cool! Also I've been getting better at eking out a bit more damage every key/raid.

[hexed flicker]

Oh he wasn't being sarcastic? My mistake.

[uncut echo]

Anyone please read the pins before typing

[spice spire]

No

[uncut echo]

[runic hinge]

Who is anyone

[silk bane]

yo its been like 6 hours i bricked 16 keys, reached hof in next tier, sent my grandkids to college and we're still in slowmode?

[pseudo hamlet]

Woah, Unholy DKs are getting buffed even though they're destroying Assa in ST(Terros - Max, 99, 95, 90th percentiles) and overall in the whole raid(All bosses - Max, 99, 95th percentiles).
Maybe that means there's still hope that Assa will get some buffs before/on 10.1!

[earnest remnant]

[rocky ruin]

I think we could be happy if they tune us in the heroic week with some rupture damage is increased by 10%

Something along these line

[pseudo hamlet]

*nerfed

[steel ridge]

oof you are right

[cobalt hemlock]

another patch no changes again its literally impossible not to doom

[balmy condor]

And that’s why we’re on slow mode still @silk bane

[silk bane]

LMFAO how is this real. how do u even deal with this

[steel ridge]

despair does things to people.

[balmy condor]

You should see my DM’s

[cobalt hemlock]

even unholy which was the second worst with us got buffed

[balmy condor]

Yesterday I had a guy “how do I get in contact with the developer for tuning advice”

This channel is irredeemable bro

I got hella mental issues but I look sane in comparison

[cobalt hemlock]

i wonder what the boomkin or warlock channel would look like if they actually were bottom dps

[oak tangle]

the same as if it were 2nd or less

[subtle tundra]

Play poe

[balmy condor]

I am

I just got home

[cobalt hemlock]

nah i mean if they were actually bad how much dooming would there be. with how much propaganda they push

[oak tangle]

i still repeat the same amount

[subtle tundra]

poggers

[oak tangle]

say what you will about sin aoe, but don't use an overall raid stats pic to determine a spec worth. it takes a small fight design change and we are not bottom dps on even that metric

[subtle tundra]

some of y'all need to stop caring so much

[balmy condor]

holy you're so real for that

[rigid tartan]

At this point I’m fairly sure they know about it and will come around before/on patch. Probably trying to avoid a situation where assa rogues were straight up blasting everyone else out of the overall rankings at the start of this tier just by 123 the boss

[balmy condor]

they 100% know

as much as people want to villainize blizzard, the devs are actually some of the smartest people I've ever talked to

and they're humans

it's not like they're closing their eyes and ignoring everything

[oak tangle]

we are looking strong for raid right now. you guys need to keep in mind that tuning is for next raid not the current one. I wish there was a bit more tuning towards M+ though

[flint tusk]

Woah careful there Whispyr.
People might start thinking your a blizzard bot for using your brain and not blinding shooting at blizzard.

[celest drift]

Welp, ofc they'r humans i didn't want to count how many changelog there have been without rogue in it tho

[balmy condor]

that's fine, I've given week+ mutes for dev bashing recently :) they're free to bash me for using my brain and see how it works out for them

[rigid tartan]

Yeah I guess lots of other classes were a bit mad of assas superiority early this tier (in my guild for sure)so they want to take a better look and avoid something like that this time

[balmy condor]

it wasn't even that strong all things considered, hunters just didn't have their bows yet and UH was 1 buff away from cracked op

I don't think anyone reasonable looks back on vault and goes "man those sin rogues though am I right?"

[oak sky]

Idea time keep the channel on 10 min slowmode until theres a single change

[brazen zodiac]

💃

[hexed flicker]

I can't argue with that. Knee jerk tuning has resulted in specs going from UP to OP overnight before.

Not that it's fun to be the one at the bottom of the barrel until they do make the more considered change.

[grim jay]

@balmy condor the community is where the gold is (oh, slow mode, wait for it)

its glorious every patch

[high iron]

Yeah surely bm was weak

[hexed flicker]

Do you guys think Assassination is going to get some tuning before release? A month is a long time.

Yeah, yeah I know. No dooming. It was a genuine question. I'm not really caught up on if Blizzard is planning anything.

[gaunt moat]

No

[grim jay]

the real answer is noone knows if blizz is planning anything. they might, they might not

[gaunt moat]

I think there's a good chance we'll see tier set changes though.

[hexed flicker]

Fair enough. I'm thinking if I stick with rogue I might look at Outlaw for aoe fights and keep using Assassination for ST.

It feels clunky having to rely on IC to actually do aoe, I don't know if I'm being unfair but I never really liked it.

[subtle tundra]

i also dont like it

[rocky ruin]

I think they gonna change something. They just want to wait after heroic week before they nerf us too much. The tierset is still bad, but did someone tried raid testing as an assa rogue?

[drifting cosmos]

slowmode still on

[steel ridge]

delete exsang

[balmy condor]

waiting to see how EU handles it, but soon.tm

[hexed flicker]

I wouldn't mind if they simplified a few of the specs I play if I'm being honest. It feels like everything in DF got more complicated.

[drifting cosmos]

with the talent changes yes, some specs have bloated buttons

[royal lantern]

its 1pm for us Eu andys man

[oak sky]

Pretty sure theres no heroic week again

[balmy condor]

perfect time to wake up if you're a chronically online doomer

[hexed flicker]

Some of them are just absurd. Like preservation Evoker I almost run out of space for the buttons.

[winged veldt]

Doomers uniting again lol? Time to mute this again haha?

[earnest remnant]

what if i just havent gone to bed yet

[drifting cosmos]

have to change main in that case, cant handle that many buttons, only have small hand

[balmy condor]

I honestly think assassination got easier going into dragonflight. There's a fuckton of buttons, but none of them really interact or do anything interesting. If you just push all the buttons on cooldown you're basically doing it idk

[oak sky]

Definitely easier compared to 9.2 iteration

[balmy condor]

I'd rather get rid of 3-4 buttons and get 2 complicated ones, right now it's just slam any button that isn't on cooldown and gg

[hexed flicker]

I came from Havoc DH eyebeam spam so everything is harder to me

[drifting cosmos]

must be compared to legion, was it like 30-40 apm?

[balmy condor]

dh brain diff

[slow needle]

12:30 for some and I just woke up to see this. Feel personally attacked.

[balmy condor]

I know what I am, makes it easier to relate to the other degenerates ya know

[drifting cosmos]

dh brain doesnt work on DF dh

suddenly there is position and rotation you need to care about...me dh brain cant handle it

[hexed flicker]

Yeah I think bloat might have been a better word than complex. It's not necessarily a challenge to figure out what I'm meant to do but sometimes I feel like I need a third arm to pull off some of the rotations.

[balmy condor]

I super hate having buttons that are just there to be buttons

thistle tea and cold blood stand out right off the bat

useless fluff

cold blood just gets macro'd on all 3 of the specs anyway

[oak sky]

I was gonna say i can think of at least like 3 off the top of my head

[balmy condor]

whats the fucking point

[earnest remnant]

at least tea has a little bit of thought for sub depending on target count and whats coming up next

[drifting cosmos]

me hating SND

[royal lantern]

SbS in its current state, sepsis, ER most of the time, cold blood and tea 🙂

[hexed flicker]

Slice and dice is dumb, especially in Assassination. You use it once and envenom to keep it up the entire fight.

[balmy condor]

I don't mind slice and dice for specifically that reason

but having to think about tea? fuck off

[slow needle]

All of the specs are kinda like that. If you get unlucky/lucky (depending how you see it) as Outlaw you press it once at the start of an evening of M+ and don't press it again till the next day.

[hexed flicker]

Ugh yeah. Rogue in general has a lot more going on than I'm used to. The last time I played it full time the ass rotation was mutilate -> envenom, repeat.

[balmy condor]

yeah that's still what it is

[slow needle]

Soo. Wrath?

[balmy condor]

it just has random garbage on top

that you slam whenever possible

oh boy shiv

SLAM

oh boy echoing reprimand

SLAM

oh boy sbs

[subtle kiln]

SLAM

[balmy condor]

SLAAAAAAAAAAAAM

[royal lantern]

just nuke all covenant abilitys fron the class and spec tree

[balmy condor]

why use brain for think if I can just hit the shiny button?

[royal lantern]

uninspired, dont fit the class visualy and all boring as hell

[oak sky]

I remember at the end of shadowlands when none of us wanted any of them back

[hexed flicker]

I haven't tried the outlaw beyond getting a WeakAura for roll the bones to tell me when to keep it. It doesn't look too bad I just didn't have time to try it.

[balmy condor]

weakaura if on cooldown false glow visibility on

lets fucking go

[subtle kiln]

assa and sub both just really lack any room for skill expression.

[royal lantern]

i said since the first reveal that no covenant ability should have returned

[oak sky]

For rogue

Obviously

[royal lantern]

bzt people went OMG SBS:)

[oak sky]

Yeah i mean my take on sbs hasnt really changed

Only fun on multitarget

[balmy condor]

sbs has interactions though

lethal dose

INSANE

2% DAMAGE ON SOME STUFF OR WHATEVER

[oak sky]

All the cool sbs interactions come when you add targets which of course is when we dont play it

[subtle kiln]

idk how they actually fix stuff without a minor rework of talents and removing the bloat

[royal lantern]

+to this day, the SBS placement is the most hilarous thing ever

"allright, doomblade, a talent that makes mutilate do more dmg"

"what talent after it?

"sbs, a talent that makes you use mutilate less often "

[slow needle]

By doing a major rework.

[oak sky]

Well there is no major rework

That much is confirmed

[slow needle]

Yet.

[oak sky]

Its 11.0 at the soonest

[slow needle]

Where did they confirm no rework this expac?

[hexed flicker]

My only real bitch about assassination is IC fucking sucks and shouldn't be the lynchpin of all of its aoe. You do good aoe once every 45 seconds and suffer the rest of the time.

[oak sky]

Interview with ion

No more ret level reworks

Dont think they have a stance on smaller scale ones

[slow needle]

So we just ignore the fact Shadow is getting one right now?

[oak sky]

Shadow is much smaller scale than ret

[balmy condor]

no more ret level reworks, but shadow will get another 7 before the end of 10.1

[slow needle]

Not really? The way their AoE is working is significantly changing and they just deleting a filler and entirely changing how the other works.

[subtle kiln]

if assa stays at the bottom the likely scenario is buff skill x until the spec is good and you’re now stuck with a button bloated spec that plays poorly but does dmg and people will play it just based on it doing damage vs being enjoyable to play.

[royal lantern]

i mean, rather have that then playing DF outlaw

or 10.1 sub

[oak sky]

Ret had like a top to bottom overhaul

[subtle kiln]

ret just copy pasted old sub

[subtle kiln]

this is why i’m looking to get off rogue / or wow. still enjoy the content so it’s likely drop rogue at this point

[oak sky]

I hope i can break out

[subtle kiln]

I want to actually have fun. the expansion has been great. just the dagger specs have been less than tolerable for me.

[royal lantern]

like man, sub is more broken than assa could ever be

just tuned high, so the fotm brains love it cus they can press 2 buttons for top aoe dps

[drifting cosmos]

10.1 sub the rotten?

[subtle kiln]

nah

[royal lantern]

6sec dance build inc

[subtle kiln]

10.1 play around a CD that’s useless.

[royal lantern]

so you can GLOOMBLADE even more

[oak sky]

I love filler

Purple sinister strike

Wheee

[drifting cosmos]

would love sin to become sorta main stream m+ spec once a while, by a while i mean couple of years

[subtle kiln]

do you really want fotm outlaw players in here?

[royal lantern]

assa has some weird tuning desicions and a bit of a problem with its general direction

sub is litearlly not what its supposed to be, and only gets "ignored" because it does good dmg rn

[slow needle]

I unironically would love to watch the world burn if Sin was as broken as S3 Surv or Destro in keys. Watch everyone lose their fucking minds.

[drifting cosmos]

That was why I went afk in S4

year of the spear, fine, but a bit too much with lock being op every other patch

[near valley]

S3 destro was unironically fun

Damage was fun and channeling 50 million RoF was dopa

[royal lantern]

it was FUN

you pressed RAIN OF FIRE, like you still do right now

but it was FUN because it was top dps

[near valley]

Yeah but u can't get the same feeling

[royal lantern]

fotm brains

i cant even

[near valley]

No access to 3 talents that made it so spammy

Infernal also doing like negative damage ain't the same as s3

[burnt latch]

I see slow mode is off

Good job team

[lament pawn]

For normal ptr testing i just get rid of exsang and put a point in improved poisons?

[drifting cosmos]

come back next week and slow mode will be back on

[subtle tundra]

You mean tuesdey

[slow needle]

Blasphemy generating shards and prccing rain of chaos was a big part of it. Just hitting the breakpoint of enough RoC procs to sustain forever was a funny position to be in.

[echo heath]

Really excited for next season, going to keep playing Sin and give guildies headaches

[near valley]

oh for sure. was just saying that currently it doesn't feel anywhere as close to the same as it does now as it was in s3 especially since things like infernal brand and soul rot don't exist anymore.

[storm belfry]

gm

[white bone]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[vague widget]

I just want to thank everyone for the efforts put in, and being available for questions.

[uncut echo]

If we've been any help at all then it's all worth it

[uncut echo]

Sorry no one answered you. If you aren't running exsang, you 100% do as you stated above. Exsang is 1.2% higher tho.

[lament pawn]

Sure sure,ima give it a go

[uncut echo]

Good luck!

[lament pawn]

tyty!

[thorn fjord]

Gm sinners

May you all have a doom free day

[echo heath]

https://tenor.com/view/forest-gump-wave-hi-hello-howdy-gif-22164679

[spice spire]

GM you as well mister dieslow

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[vernal adder]

combine sin and sub

[deft flicker]

Sun??

[vernal adder]

dagger man spec

dagger gal

[spice spire]

damn

[royal lantern]

you mean as a RANGED ROGUE SPEC?

[vernal adder]

nah not sub and sin

outlaw could go ranged

[uncut echo]

Nah sin and sub have needed to be combined for a long time

And bring a d3 demon hunter type beat to rogue

I could make the coolest rogue spec

[red swift]

for hc rasza, do you just use kick and kidney shot for sparks or do people talent gouge?

[uncut echo]

You ideally have people do them for you

But use this macro, one second.

/targetenemy
/focus
/tar player
/tar focus
/tar boss1
/targetlasttarget
/cast [harm,nodead] Pummel
/tar boss1

Make one for kick

Kidney

Blind

[red swift]

what's going on here lol

planning to do a pug so I imagine people won't do them for me :P

[uncut echo]

Yee thats fine

But that macro

Will kick a sparknnear you

Without having to target them

And switch your target back to raz

Zero time lost

[red swift]

cool

[uncut echo]

Its a game changer

Good luck on raz! You got this

[brazen zodiac]

ur a game changer

[red swift]

I should be good if anyone takes my undergeared char :D Killed it enough times on main to know the fight quite well

but thanks

[uncut echo]

I try my best

[storm forum]

dammit did i miss dooming again?

[uncut echo]

No, you didn't

[storm forum]

thanks

[uncut echo]

Ye. No problem homie

[spice spire]

don't have to miss the doom if you are the doom 😈

[echo heath]

Like the penguin of doom?

[ember mural]

slowmode?

[uncut echo]

Stop doz

[brazen zodiac]

i thought you said stop jiz.

i literally can't escape.

i thought they were here too.

[uncut echo]

LMAO

https://tenor.com/view/the-voices-voices-in-my-head-voices-cat-gif-23453583

[spice spire]

Were you aware that UHDKs were buffed last night while rogues received nothing?!

[uncut echo]

As a community figure I'm going to ask you to stop riling up the masses

[brazen zodiac]

yeah we all read the patch notes

[spice spire]

Only one is riled up

[brazen zodiac]

👍

[spice spire]

Something something tier list

That’s all I got

[runic hinge]

Why does IC hit 8 targets but AP only hits 5?

[ebon notch]

i find mfers like you really suspicious

[spice spire]

I find mfs like u cute as hell

[ebon notch]

[spice spire]

[ebon notch]

@midnight mist come do some keys im bored

[midnight mist]

I wouldve come but you pinged me in the wrong channel unlucky

[ebon notch]

dont be a baby

[oak sky]

We could change that

[burnt latch]

Tuning?

[steel ridge]

god works in mysterious ways

[oak sky]

Together we can doom

[silk bane]

2 more doom sessions and whispyrs gonna go bald out of stress. we can do this

[oak sky]

Teamwork makes the dream work

[silk bane]

i love that as a community we can come togeher, put aside our differences and achieve great things. like removal of whispyrs hairline :3

[burnt latch]

shit tuning, spec design etc etc etc

[silk bane]

Mr wacieft u forgot the tier set ok pls quake I'm just meming don't kill me. Gm gm

[runic hinge]

what if god was one of us

[balmy condor]

[royal lantern]

sooo....whisp turns into a bald cat?

[steel spire]

[royal lantern]

bingus whisp

https://tenor.com/view/bingus-gif-18888188

[balmy condor]

[brazen zodiac]

cute

[gaunt moat]

why does DM sometimes give me CP. is it from seal fate?

[storm belfry]

From improved garrote iirc

[storm belfry]

[spice spire]

SS

Sometimes it just gives

[gaunt moat]

I don't understand. that only affect garrote, no?

[royal lantern]

because DM applies a second garrote

and the garrote it applies is the SS garrote from stealth

so it gives CP

wonky af

[gaunt moat]

oh

[empty hinge]

@spice spire GM quake hope u have a wonderful day :_)

[outer hornet]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[trim zinc]

thats my first CE, i want to thanks all of u guys
u all helped me sooo much with a lot of things like simming, improving my dmg etc
and general knowledge
so THANK U ALL SO MUCH ❤️

[silk bane]

wooo gratz u did it!

[balmy condor]

gratz!

[trim zinc]

tyty ^^

[steel spire]

Free from lizard jail gz

[gaunt moat]

grats

[heavy coral]

Penis cat

[viscid spear]

Just to go into another lizard jail with Sarkareth

[unborn geode]

Congratulations!

[spice spire]

GM no u

[fleet whale]

Alright I'm way out of the loop, why is there dooming going on? Is assassin just undertuned?
and just DM me the dooming so this channel doesn't get flooded

Nvm, found out, we just weak

[gray crest]

https://tenor.com/view/yugioh-no-u-no-you-reverse-uno-uno-gif-22508660

[balmy condor]

mix of undertuned, lack of talent tree changes since beta, etc

[royal lantern]

and most importantly: the lack of a ingame dating sim

[silk bane]

I think its mostly just oxi gate keeping public flirting with quake and whispyr and its just really tilting people. idk maybe we'll get a ptach note explaining this elitisism thank you for coming to my ted talk

[balmy condor]

buddy I'm bi, I'll flirt with anyone

the only thing gatekeeping here is those hetero's that aren't interested in me

on god

[silk bane]

fake news those dont exist. we all got a whispyr pic above our beds

[balmy condor]

[silk bane]

[red swift]

wait, should I do that? will it increase my dps?

[sweet dawn]

You gotta pray to our Lord and Saviour Whispyr nightly for good dmg

[spice spire]

What if I’m hetero but still interested 🤨

[uncut echo]

Don't disavow our marriage pact

[balmy condor]

that's not how being hetero works

[spice spire]

It’s called homiesexual

[earnest remnant]

he just like pasta dude

straight until wet

[gaunt moat]

there's a dick joke in there

[uncut echo]

Well played Stealthi :3

[red swift]

may he offer me good dps (and gear)

[spice spire]

:3c

[red swift]

I want to believe that getting high parses per item level means I'm playing well, but when there's like 60 parses for my item level it's a bit suspicious

[ebon notch]

[uncut echo]

ilvl parses are dogshit

And mean literally nothing at all

[earnest remnant]

they help with a little dopamine boost

[red swift]

That's what I thought, but they make me feel good about myself

[uncut echo]

Okay, that's valid

[red swift]

Oh right, remembered a question I had, I dropped puzzle box recently, should I use it basically on cooldown and every other usage align with deathmark? Not playing exsang

[balmy condor]

every other deathmark

[slow needle]

Fake news. You wouldn't flirt with this degen if you could see me.

[balmy condor]

[red swift]

Oh I'm dumb, forgot about that section, sorry 😅

[spice spire]

No worries homie

[slow needle]

Serious question though. How long till T30 sims start appearing?

Do you folks have an expected timeline for releasing them @balmy condor?

[balmy condor]

it's starting up soon.tm

as far as I know we still don't have tier sims

but gear is starting to get put in

trinkets are kinda there?

[royal lantern]

put them up, so blizzard can decide to change some more sets and the work was wasted

[slow needle]

Ah, its Simc dependant rather than waiting for tuning to 'finish' (start?) before doing them.

[storm forum]

for the simc lads

[balmy condor]

correct

[slow needle]

Fair enough. Was just curious where the specs are going to land in relation to each other. This tier looks like it mechanically could be a good sin one if numbers are there.

[balmy condor]

I had an estimate of the sin tier

which was really shambly and hacky

let me see if I can scrounge it up

^

[slow needle]

Ah, thank you!

[sonic schooner]

Whispyr is cute

[balmy condor]

no u

[silk bane]

in all fairness if you send me a dm at 4:30 am im responding at 4:31 too :3

[balmy condor]

:3

message from a month ago

:3

lil bro's doing some research

[silk bane]

LMFAO saw the sim link from a few message ago and went on a journey

didnt evne realize it was from a month ago

[balmy condor]

[silk bane]

I was like huh sin chat seems fun! everyones having a good time, Shoulda known it wasnt recent chat

[uncut echo]

LMAO

oof

[oak sky]

i heckin love sin

[brazen zodiac]

i heckin love you

[oak sky]

i heckin love nobody

(i miss her)

[spice spire]

I can be her

[uncut echo]

[junior olive]

damn the tier set for assas looks so good..anyone try it on ptr yet

[balmy condor]

It’s no gud

[junior olive]

damn it seems good

[balmy condor]

Worse than our current one in single target

[junior olive]

damn

[drifting cosmos]

time to improve your feelcraft skill my friend

[steel ridge]

Its the most uninspired shit i have seen since the 10.0 set.

[drowsy hollow]

I know 10.0 is boring, but I think buffing poisons and bleeds is pretty good

[steel ridge]

That could have been a simple aura buff

Using a set bonus as a tuning knob for a core ability (40% rupture damage) is nothing to be proud of

[drowsy hollow]

I do support tier being made passive seasonal bonuses vs tied to gear, but that's my personal preference.

[oak sky]

the 10.0 set was as intended lol

every 10.0 set was supposed to be a passive increase

[steel ridge]

i do know that

demo lock gets huge QoL on current 4p

like its so good you want to keep it

i couldnt care less about rogue set, i wouldn’t notice its gone if it wasn for wcl

[vestal wren]

10.1 tier looks quite nice tho

(in terms of visuals)

[drowsy hollow]

I know on preservation I'll miss 4p a ton.

But yeah, most 10.0 sets are basic by design

I will say the rogue set does feel lacking vs say what WW is getting

[gusty mirage]

stop simming shit and run your maps @balmy condor

[balmy condor]

I aint simming anything

[gusty mirage]

do you need maelstrom of chaos for completion

[balmy condor]

yah

[gusty mirage]

lmk when youre done with your map

[drowsy hollow]

Finally got rogue to 70, excited to try carnage in keys

[steel ridge]

Have fun

[drowsy hollow]

All the bleed and poison damage!

Sin and Sub got amazing thematic talents

[steel ridge]

Sin AoE plays horrible in relation to other classes tho, its all fun and games until you cannot garrote enough targets because it has a janky 6 sec cd

[drifting cosmos]

still fun, just not in details probably

[steel ridge]

It has its moments

but once your carnage garrotes run out you fall off a steep cliff

and you wish carnage was 20 sec cd 😄

[drowsy hollow]

Poison bomb was feeling a bit better while levelling at least

[gusty mirage]

why do people think assassination does healer dps in keys?

[flint tusk]

Because those same people keyboard turn and click their abilities.

[royal lantern]

tierlist on youtube told me its swampass tier

[drifting cosmos]

raid only spec

[serene fossil]

Well people who do raid only “tier lists” also say m+ “iS jUsT a MiNiGaMe” so

[deft flicker]

I haven’t seen a single m+ turned into a flash game so far

[royal lantern]

because it is

or more like: blizz doesnt really care about pushing m+, for them its "+20 is the highest Content, can go higher if you want, but we wont balance around that at all, so enjoy a 1hit mess where only a few specs work each Patch"

[gaunt moat]

There's a limit on how far you can balance an exponentialy growing difficulty curv.
So +20 is the benchmark.
If all specs can complete that, it's okay.

As for spec balance, you don't need to balance around m+
But then you also shouldn't cripple a spec for taking aoe talent like sin.

[drifting cosmos]

I mean there are always spec that's gonna be at the bottom of the list, or on the lower end

but at least if that gets rotated

[serene fossil]

I just dont like people saying its a minigame as in raiding is the actual and superior game activity, i can only raid so much a week but i can fuck around in keys all week long, no matter the time and on a far more manageable group size, getting 1-4 friends in and pug if needed > getting 19 other just as motivated people on the same days for me, raid and m+ exist next to each other for me, not above or below each other

[drifting cosmos]

no one stopping you from reclearing or selling raid bosses

[royal lantern]

i mean, raiding isthe "superior" activity, because mythic raiding is what blizzard is actually balancing the game around+its the pinnacle PvE endgame for them

oh, and dont forget, this is the internet

so my opinion>your opinion

[serene fossil]

The mythic lockout prevents me from doing more outisde my raid days

[serene fossil]

Ah, tru, my bad, your opinion sucks, nothing besides my opinion matters anyway

[royal lantern]

thats the spirit

[drifting cosmos]

now go to wowhead comment section and get us some buffs

[royal lantern]

wowhead comments is truly the most unhinged humans in this world

[serene fossil]

WhErE rOgUe NoTeS fUcK rET fOr GeTtInG aTtEnTiOn

[drifting cosmos]

the amount of crying there is...

amusing

[serene fossil]

CAnT bElIeVe tHeY DoNt CaRe AbOut 95% of ThEiR cUsToMeRS

[steel ridge]

Wait for 3-4 demo locks RWF raids

[serene fossil]

Rerollers inc for sure

[royal lantern]

a normal RWF raid?

[steel ridge]

demo lock will shit on sin ST

[royal lantern]

dont talk as if thats an achievment

[drifting cosmos]

dont think sin is top melee boss dmg? isnt uh dk higher?

but anyway, 3 - 4 more weeks, will come back when there is slow mode

[spice surge]

Uh already does some of the highest st in the game, so the 8% buff theyre getting is fine

[drifting cosmos]

reserving a spot in S2 mdi

[royal lantern]

why reserving?

unholy more or less will always be a MDI spec simply by how its aoe works

unless its tuned really really really bad

endless scaling dmg with pull size, in something where speed matters will always win

[steel ridge]

how does uh aoe work?

[gray crest]

epidemic causes all your plagues to deal damage to the target and all targets around it. So if you have your plagues on 10 targets and you use it, each target is going to get hit by the initial hit and then 9 other splash hits

its kinda like living bomb

[grim jay]

with the "current" build you auto-spread dots, keep plaguebringer up to increase dot damage and epidemic erupts damage from each dotted target as roujin said

[steel ridge]

so it scales exponentially with targets

while most other specs scale linearly if at all

[gray crest]

yeah

aside from living bomb, I dont think any other class has something like it

and living bomb is so bad now that its just a meme

[grim jay]

dunno how demo works

but prolly had the most insane aoe burst ive ever seen

[gray crest]

for demo you get a bunch of imps, pop tyrant, use the empowered felguard felstorm, then dump imps with implosion. its not exponential aoe but its gross

[grim jay]

saw one hitting 1m+ burst in aa

[gray crest]

yeah its good, requires a good amount of setup though

[echo heath]

That's great but us sin rogues have the power of love and community

And that beats everything

[steel ridge]

yeah living bomb sucks balls rn

[steel ridge]

yeah well thats just alot of imps, one big peak and than its over 🙂

sending 30 imps into a big pull is the best thing tho

[burnt latch]

i've done 2 million dps on assa in one pull

its easy as fuck

just press the rotation better

[true basalt]

Sin feels great to me, i am a big fan of dot classes, i just wish the aoe was better. Both spriest and afflilock have a shorter cd for their aoe spread, while also having hard hitting abillities alongside

Mind sear, psychic link, ghosts, and seed of corruption spam

[true basalt]

What pull?

[subtle tundra]

Pull on dn

[uncut echo]

Herbie stop or I'll deadname you

[oblique jackal]

I might be late to the party… UH DK changes but no sin changes

So confused

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/rangoheadbob-dragon-beardedddragon-headbobbing-yes-gif-21104545

[uncut echo]

No, you're not late

There is no party

[royal lantern]

its always party in #assassination

thats why we get forced slowdowns sometimes

[uncut echo]

:3

[oblique jackal]

Sheeesh

Tbh the balancing is making me want to quit the game

Anyone else ?

[uncut echo]

Stop

[subtle tundra]

Me

Hehe

[uncut echo]

This channel isn't used to complain about changes or lack there of, it's used to teach people to play the game

[oblique jackal]

We need to raise awareness

[subtle tundra]

No need

Let it be

My escape

[uncut echo]

Go to the forums

[oblique jackal]

Wait, discordisn’t the forums ?

[grim jay]

I wonder how you wanna raise awareness

in a class discord

where everyone should be aware

and those that need to be aware arent there either

[cerulean walrus]

[oblique jackal]

Jeez so much negativity

[uncut echo]

PULL UP A CHAIR

[oblique jackal]

I was just trying to see if anyone else felt the same way

[cerulean walrus]

Bro

[uncut echo]

Its not negativity. It's every day we hear this

[cerulean walrus]

Everyone knows.

[uncut echo]

We all know.

[oblique jackal]

Oh really ? @uncut echo

Sorry my RL has been super busy

[uncut echo]

We all know how dire the situation is, but in all reality we're fine.

[subtle tundra]

Please don't let me down blizzard. Don't make any changes so I can quit after we finish prog

😊😊

[earnest remnant]

did you expect any other reaction when your initial comment was negative as well?

[cerulean walrus]

[oblique jackal]

Yes, yes I did

[uncut echo]

We're not owed a single change, and yes we're all mad

But it's been stated multiple times that we're not here to complain

Hence me asking you to stop

[oblique jackal]

My apologies Team

[uncut echo]

You're okay buddy

The anger is understandable

Like, don't get me wrong. I'm upset too.

[oblique jackal]

I wasn’t aware of this. I wasn’t trying to upset everyone

[uncut echo]

You're okay I promise.

[oblique jackal]

❤️

[uncut echo]

Thank you for being so understanding.

[subtle tundra]

I'm upset

[cerulean walrus]

Growth

[oblique jackal]

Ofc it’s on me..I should’ve been more aware !

[cerulean walrus]

I was waiting for another round of dooming

[subtle tundra]

Why havent I dropped a mageblood yet

[echo heath]

It's like being stranded on an Island and every few days someone comes up to you to say how much it sucks that were stranded on an island

[uncut echo]

No, it isn't. How could you be unless you read this place religiously?

[subtle tundra]

[echo heath]

We know it sucks

[oblique jackal]

I should’ve read up on it before complaining

[vague widget]

When the dooming starts I just want a Millhouse manastorm emoji. ChannelDoom

[uncut echo]

The lore is that it gets so bad on a weekly basis

The channel gets slowmoded

Which really inhibits people from being able to actually assist with questions

[cerulean walrus]

Babe babe wake up it’s time for the daily #assassination slowmode!

[earnest remnant]

not me tho

[uncut echo]

Stinky raccoon

[cerulean walrus]

Oh take a look at this guy

[oblique jackal]

Has anyone proposed any changes ?

[uncut echo]

It's not really our place to propose them

We kind of ran the dev liason out of RH by people just openly DMing them

[echo heath]

Many many many many many many many times

[uncut echo]

But, yes. We've all had some takes regarding it, and I know whispyr and other mods have discussed rogue with them at length.

[oblique jackal]

Awww that’s a shame

[subtle tundra]

Well that would've happened on any discord and expecting people wouldn't dm is ridiculous

[uncut echo]

Yeah. People flamed the fuck out of the guy in dms

[oblique jackal]

I couldn’t imagine being a dev for wow.. the amount of hate messages or w/e

[uncut echo]

Maybe they shouldnt fucking be in here with us savages

[oblique jackal]

That’s horrid behavior

[cerulean walrus]

Imagine having a direct contact with developers and blowing it because dumbasses wouldn’t stop lambasting the guy in DMs

[uncut echo]

YUP

[oblique jackal]

^

[uncut echo]

[oblique jackal]

That’s so sad

[uncut echo]

But its okay

Usually

Low performing specs get a tuning pass in heroic

[oblique jackal]

I feel bad for realz

[uncut echo]

We got batted down s1

S2 bloom angle

We'll be fine. :)

[cerulean walrus]

We came out the gate SWINGING dog

Because of that contact

[uncut echo]

Yeah, we were eons ahead of everyone else.

[cerulean walrus]

And then we got dunked

[uncut echo]

We'll be on the come up

I AINT HEARD NO FUCKING BELL