assassination

[brazen zodiac]

night

[oak tangle]

Patch will be in 6 weeks after they’ve done their whole TW thing, patch won’t be before that as it drops H raid gear

[strange python]

Y'all never listen to me 😦

I will be vindicated by patch timing and evoker spec

[balmy condor]

Mr Stabsalot, PR expert (Never gotten into a fight with anyone before)

[strange python]

Confirmed.

Maybe rogues need someone to get in a fight on our behalf

[silk bane]

Whispyr does Realz come to your streams anymore? I miss your chess games with him

[balmy condor]

He might lurk sometimes

He’s a very busy man

[silk bane]

might drop by next tiem you stream and say hi if hes around then! miss talking to him about random games and life and w/e

[balmy condor]

Be like that

[oak tangle]

Might be a tc question but where do we find the APL for sims

[silk bane]

yeah I know, but not having him here anymore makes me feel like he doesnt like the rogue community anymore

would hate for us to lose him cuz people kept bitching at him

[balmy condor]

If you open a sim and go to full html -> profile, the whole thing is right there to copy paste. The formatting is easier to read under Action Priority List

[balmy condor]

Nah he probably just got moved to some other project or whatever

Realz is just one cog in a very big machine

[oak tangle]

Sweet Ty, wanna try and learn to adjust and try things in that

[silk bane]

im not a game dev but it feels very werid to move people aorund like that, like in our company teams build specializations, we work on different projects but we dont just abandon previous products

[balmy condor]

I’ll dm you

[balmy condor]

Yeah I’m pretty sure blizzard has like at the very minimum systems devs and class devs

So there’s the devs doing like special items and shit, and then class devs

But they move around

So Realz might’ve done the rogue stuff for 10.0 but then got shuffled to druid for 10.1 or whatever

Or maybe he’s doing items/tier bonuses

They float around a lot for those sorts of things

For all we know he was on the ret rework crew

[bronze pike]

i believe that tbh

cause alot of rng got cut out for consistent stuff

[oak tangle]

it likely works out better for all in the long run, as they'll get fresh views on things and not pidgeonholed into the same thing year on year

[near valley]

You can slide into my DMs anytime

[balmy condor]

Bet

[lucid birch]

[north basin]

why blizz said they wont overlap d4 and wow? its not 1 week of gameplay style of games. if u play d4 u play it for months. same with wow. so overlap issue doesnt exist

coz it overlap anyway

[near valley]

You play them both seasonally

So it's more a case of whether the seasons overlap or not

[lucid birch]

no i play wow daily

[near valley]

[lucid birch]

[jade abyss]

Its not possible to not overlap d4 and wow o.O

[lucid birch]

two monitors

[near valley]

Ye but the ideal situation. Atleast in my eyes, would be gor d4 to come out in that timeframe when you're not as engaged in the WoW season

Sadly it doesn't seem to be the case

[north basin]

90% of wow playerbase plays wow for couple of months at least. same with diablo. so they overlap anyway )

[jade abyss]

The trick is to reroll bm hunter and play wow with one hand and d4 with the other

[flint tusk]

This would make sense why we’re forgotten!

No one moved to rogue for 10.1!

I’m kidding of course. But it does fit 😅

[balmy condor]

I mean you might be kidding

but that's actually a possibility

[flint tusk]

I know. I’m very much

https://tenor.com/view/crying-happy-but-sad-face-gif-19422780

[jade abyss]

Whispyr will quit rogue and will be play mapplestory professional

[brazen zodiac]

:o

[balmy condor]

true

[lucid birch]

im having fun doing keys

whispyr come kick me off the computer dear

[balmy condor]

I'm under your desk

[lucid birch]

[balmy condor]

[jade abyss]

That escalates quickly

[lucid birch]

doing my first 23

snowbaby kinda big

[balmy condor]

the genetics thing?

[lucid birch]

23 and you

[vital haven]

you got this

especially if its a court or shadowmoon

literally undepletable

[balmy condor]

23 and us (I'm young and miss you)

[lucid birch]

tjs

[vital haven]

well

[lucid birch]

its over

that was fun

[ocean goblet]

You time it?

[lucid birch]

no we died first pull and it was over !

[ocean goblet]

I didn't want to assume.

[lucid birch]

hahahah

[vestal wren]

That was pre buffs, this is with more recent gear:
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5tZGSNyqqpShzYcXZ9Zt14

[vital haven]

did you guys do double water ele

[lucid birch]

tank invised to pull better and hunter held w into the pack following him

[winter gale]

Anyone knows how much will 2nd 424 ring cost? 70 Primordial fragments?

10 for the ring and 20 for each gem to max?

I need to make 2nd one for AoE build

[balmy condor]

yes

[brazen zodiac]

incredible

i cant wait to buy a third for world questing

and a fourth for sunday dinner

[jade abyss]

Dont forget one for tea time

[gaunt moat]

The ring in m+ is like 1.7% increase.
It's really REALLY not that important.

[storm onyx]

i would rather keep the st setup for it tbh

[winter gale]

You guys did 2nd ring or are you all waiting for possible nerfs/buffs?

[storm onyx]

Dont need a 2nd ring really, its just fly and swap, I would rather keep gems and see if they tune again soon since I already have bis st setup

[keen spruce]

you underestimate my laziness

2 ring gang

[gaunt moat]

Are you still even doing m+?

Not much to gain from it anymore

[keen spruce]

troo

i've just been playin HC classic

doin like 1-4 keys a week

still a few upgrades floatin around

[bronze aurora]

i like io

[vale abyss]

Hello how can I upgrade Primordial Stones? I got the Item Unstable Elementium but cannot upgrade the already socketed primordial stone. need help

[static glacier]

Unsocket them then upgrade

[vale abyss]

okay

and how do I do that?

[static glacier]

go to the vendor who sells new stones

near him should be jewelcrafters tools

you'll get an extra action button when near em to unsocket

[vale abyss]

cheers

[subtle tundra]

Oh so they can do tuning between minor patches

[thorn fjord]

[subtle kiln]

tuning hasn’t hit live yet. there is still another 3 days of outcry to have nerfs reverted.

[storm belfry]

Wdym they had ret pvp nerfs go live last night

After ppl crying

[royal lantern]

that was not ppls crying

ret was broken af

30+ ret paladins in a bg btw

80% of people in arena ret paladin

they litearlly 1hit killed people in arena

my friend that never played any pvp at all in wow, just grabbed his elite tmog in 2hours cus of it

[vague widget]

The game is forever beta. Lol

[royal lantern]

welcome to life service games?

[dark token]

Multiple rets literally went from 1400 to 3k overnight with the patch

Absolutely turbo broken

Deserved hotfix

[storm belfry]

I mean they were. And was it right to do so? Yes. Ret was broken

[gentle pewter]

Did anyone sim which Primordial Stone combination is the best for pure AOE?

I know Blood+Twilight + Freezing/Storm is best for ST / Dungeon slice, but thinking like 8 targets

[balmy condor]

Blood twilight storm

There are no dedicated aoe gems

Storm is the closest

[gentle pewter]

How about Pestilent / Searing? Doesn't seem capped to 3 targets like storm

[dark token]

Just sim them

But I simmed already and it's blood twilight pestilent

[gentle pewter]

Pestilent + 5-target Shiv

[dark token]

You need a lot of targets tho

It's only use is niche council parsing where it's like 0.1% ahead of storm

Nothing is pure aoe except that

Even dungeons, storm wins

[gentle pewter]

Ok so even on 4 targets suggests outdpsing on 5+?

[dark token]

Just sim blood twilight pestilent vs blood twilight storm I don't know the exact threshold

And I was doing sub sims

But in a certain amount of targets pestilent does more dmg

So it's the pure aoe stone

But again, not by enough to win in any realistic scenario, dungeons or raid bosses

Maybe academy it could win

[gentle pewter]

ya my use case exactly^

[dark token]

Keep in mind a lot of dungeons is actually ST so even if pestilent sims aoe it will lose overall in most dungeons

Like 30-50% of a dungeon is st bosses depending on the week

Or like a 2-3t pull of elites which isn't enough to make pestilent win

[gentle pewter]

yea makes sense, storm prolly just best overall

[dark token]

I would only run pestilent in academy fortified

[gentle pewter]

unless you can keep high percentage of pulls with 5+ targets

[dark token]

If I had 3 rings

[gentle pewter]

or w/e sims end up at

[balmy condor]

https://tenor.com/view/dies-from-cringe-gif-20754942

Optimizing fortified academy

Bruh

#subtlety right there

[subtle kiln]

what else you doing with fragments?

[dark token]

I mean I didn't upgrade my pestilent stone I just did sims

[tacit otter]

if its a +27 and youre struggling with killing aoe, okey anything else is just cringe

[dark token]

I'm running storm and freezing

[gentle pewter]

btw, how do you switch gems in raidbots

[dark token]

Like I said it's too niche to matter

[oblique jackal]

Do you guys gear more then one rogue?

[royal lantern]

why would you lol

[oblique jackal]

JW

[royal lantern]

jw?

[gusty mirage]

Just wondering

[royal lantern]

...is that a deez nuts joke and i went full into it?

[gusty mirage]

No but they should deez nuts you anyway now

[oblique jackal]

^

[storm belfry]

No

Lmao oxi

[oblique jackal]

this guy lmao

[gusty mirage]

That is mostly for the race to world first folks or the people

You’ll notice a ton of top raiders have what they call “mirrors”

In case one character gets lucky on drops

[oblique jackal]

Ah gotcha gotcha

kinda assumed so

[gusty mirage]

They just run with that one for the rest of the rwf

[oblique jackal]

smart haha

seems like a ton of work

[runic hinge]

I know some people who will have two one for pvp and one for pve

[royal lantern]

ita world first, they do all possible degenerate stuff

[oblique jackal]

Anyone having issues with WCL? I uploaded my logs but it's not actually appearing on my character

[runic hinge]

Cause of great vault

[gusty mirage]

Oh yeah, a lot of them raid like 12-16hrs a day for the first 2 weeks of every tier. It’s nuts

[gusty mirage]

Make sure the log is set to public when uploading, sometimes it defaults to unlisted or private

[oblique jackal]

its public

!logs

[prisma monolith]

Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage

Link: https://wowanalyzer.com/

[royal lantern]

you mean the 4people that play pvp?

[runic hinge]

You must not have read all the whining about ret pallys this week. Unless they just switch accounts to cry.

[royal lantern]

Pvp community in wow is a very very very loud and very very very small minority

[runic hinge]

I’ll agree with that

[gusty mirage]

Kinda deserved 99% of the top 50 in solo shuffle was Ret pala

[runic hinge]

Oh for sure deserved lol. Rets were insane. I’m a little sad I worked so much this week I didn’t get to take mine out for a spin.

[dire ivy]

is this normal dmg for the maxed out stones on a 2:40 ST fight? 3rd stone is ofc twilight

or aam i missing something/ being unlucky?

[rocky ruin]

@balmy condor are you really thinking about quitting?

Was kinda reading through reddit comments and i didn't know that someone says the rogue tree is well designed

[royal lantern]

huh

[viral marlin]

how can i make it so details! shows stones seperate?

atm its putting em all in 1 tab

[storm belfry]

Idk I was looking last night after an update making them one tab but wasn’t able to do so

[formal ore]

if whispyr quit sin dies

so i hope he isnt

whispyr is the light in the end of the tunnel

[subtle tundra]

He is a princess

[rocky ruin]

if you look at reddit comments he wrote, it sounded like that. Maybe i'm reading too much into it

[runic hinge]

He said he was considering a lot

[rocky ruin]

I think a lot of us are thinking to 10.1 what spec im going to play

[formal ore]

for me its either sin or feral

cause i hate sub

outlaw is my third option

but i dont like the rng aspect

[storm belfry]

I’ll be playing rogue

[lucid birch]

[limber lion]

Just because he quits the game, doesn't mean he'll quit theorycrafting, Ravenholdt or writing guides on Wowhead.

No worries.

[jade abyss]

Cev has spoken

[limber lion]

What rng aspect?

Have you played DF Outlaw?

[jade abyss]

Its not like bfa anymore where you roll x times your bones ^^

[pine gull]

hi everyone just wanna asking mine 10 minutes sim looks like this but I am on mythic razsageth which trinkets better on razsa you think ?

[copper hazel]

box is bis, so youll always want that

torch is probably good for the end or when people randomly die

[limber lion]

Just use box + torch

Boon for padding, not for prog

[formal ore]

dice

[uncut echo]

Its literally not a big deal in outlaw

Thry're all similarly balanced

[uncut echo]

Don't 10m sim

[limber lion]

Doesn't really matter anymore

[pine gull]

thanks

[daring willow]

noob question. if i'm doing more st dps on sub vs. sin, am I likely doing something wrong or is sin just that undertuned?

[plain onyx]

naah, it's just sin is for more sophisticated people 😈 (trying to make my self believe that sin is still the best)

[spark scaffold]

How would you use box in an 8 minute fight?

[daring willow]

Trying to move over to sin, but feel like i'm missing something. I have to be messing up rotations or something

[thorn fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/hang-first-time-smiles-gif-14991372

[spark scaffold]

Or 7 minutes, more interested in that

[thorny pond]

Paste some logs sir or use

!logs

[prisma monolith]

Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage

Link: https://wowanalyzer.com/

[formal ore]

oh thats nice to know

[formal ore]

i guess you use it whenever available

then u get 3 casts of it and 2 line up with deathmark

[storm onyx]

With new ring, sub overtook assa on st afaik

[thorn fjord]

It’s still technically simming higher

[sudden canyon]

i did a heroic earlier in the week and i was only one of 26 parses at my ilvl

dead spec frfr

[thorn fjord]

Lol yeah

Atleast for heroic

[sudden canyon]

just checked, its at 80 now

[thorn fjord]

All my mythic parses got wiped

[sudden canyon]

got a 100 tho.

[thorn fjord]

Nice

69th on heroic sennarth 🤷‍♂️

[sudden canyon]

https://tenor.com/view/noice-nice-click-gif-8843762

[thorn fjord]

Maybe I’ll troll and play sin if we reclear next week

But I think we’re just doing skip

[storm belfry]

Not playing sin, is a sin

[strange python]

I just want rogues to be fixed man

[gaunt moat]

Best I can do is pvp nerfs

[royal lantern]

spriest rework, gotcha

[strange python]

😦

[copper hazel]

ret rework into nerfs, understood

[royal lantern]

wdym with that

the rework was a 100% succes lol

[copper hazel]

i dunno, i was just riffing on your spriest thing

[viral marlin]

@vestal wren is it true that twillight stone doesnt proc ? i heard a rumor

[royal lantern]

gameplay is better and more smooth, that was the goal

[copper hazel]

ret is definitely improved, the ret in my guild/raid group did way way better than before

[vestal wren]

i did not hear any new chanegs to it

[viral marlin]

so it should just proc ?

[vestal wren]

twilight should work as expected

[viral marlin]

ah k thanks! than the rumor is false

also: details! is showing 1 tab for all the stones instead of seperate any way to fix this to see procs for all the stones ?

it says: primordial stones(dot_

[vestal wren]

latets details update did combine them, not sure if you have the option to seperate them somewhere

[uncut echo]

Opening up this channel sucks now

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/always-has-been-meme-astronaut-gif-23926290

[brazen zodiac]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-dance-gif-25818512

[uncut echo]

So true tbh

[viral marlin]

is there a post about rogue mage tower aswell in this discord ?:D

[uncut echo]

Not that I know of in this discord

But outlaw is easiest.

[viral marlin]

thanks!

thats the answer i actually needed :P

mage tower rogue set looks amazing imo

[uncut echo]

Ofc!

I absolutely despise it, but I collect everything on my rogue

[viral marlin]

XD

it looks like it fits perfectly on a tauren :D

[uncut echo]

I prefer mythic Nathria as peak rogue mog

And the 1800 elite set from s1 SLp

[viral marlin]

i love the tomb of sargeras mythic or the mt one :D

or just heroic vault

looks badass aswel

or naxx 10-25 and bloodfang ofc

[uncut echo]

1800 elite vault set is kinda based too with legendary daggers

[storm belfry]

Mythic tos is my favorite

[storm belfry]

This set is nice. I like it paired w the red color version of the bone artifact daggers

[royal lantern]

i never liked those overly flashy raidsets on rogue tbh

[storm belfry]

I love it

[royal lantern]

[empty dawn]

Oh he’s cute!

[uncut echo]

Assassination transmog channel

I love this

[celest ruin]

i win trial of style 90% of the time

[storm forum]

I got max ilvl BiS ring in 2 days, was it supposed to be this easy?

[vestal wren]

the onyx amulet is fairly fast to farm if you talk about that

[storm forum]

yeah

[vestal wren]

you should be able to farm it in roughly 1.5 hours

[storm forum]

I wasnt playing for a month or two, came back this weekend to see new patch, I expected the ring to be more of a grind

[vestal wren]

if you optimize farming a bit

[storm forum]

wow thats fast

[vestal wren]

and it is fairly easy

#subtlety message

^ is the vendor

[storm forum]

👍

[round swift]

Is the storm stone just completely going off for anyone else in M+? I know that it was the pick for a reason but dear lord.

[pure moth]

Yeah, depending on dungeon it's my 3rd damage

[umbral monolith]

We added an option in the Combat Log section of the Details options to allow you to merge/unmerge the stones at will. Most recent version has this option.

[vestal wren]

ah nice

now we need someone to fix secret technique not showing up in 10.1

[umbral monolith]

Dude, don't even talk about that ability

Blizz, just blizz man

[vestal wren]

haha

i am not sure if you fallowed the bugs related to it

[umbral monolith]

It's the same bug as with every single 'pet'

[vestal wren]

but you can skill into extended melee rnage

[umbral monolith]

Blizz doesn't give a way to actually determine pet ownership

[vestal wren]

but the "pet" atatcks don't trigger if you stand in extended melee range

[umbral monolith]

That's a you issue then 😛

[vestal wren]

its not too bad

its only like 10% of your overall damage

you lose by fucking it up

[umbral monolith]

I just wish we could query pet ownership. Would remove a lot of code issues related to figuring out pets

Like holy priest Divine Image is currently broked

[vestal wren]

things coded as pet are always funky

[umbral monolith]

Because blizz removed the SPELL_SUMMON event in the combatlog, and the backup system is not liking it

[vestal wren]

[viral marlin]

is it worth it to craft cowl if not having eranog ring?

i do however have diurna ring

or just better to craft 2nd 418 weap

[vestal wren]

discussable

it is still a damage gain

and you get a high item level item

so it might be a upgrade for you, even without the ring

[viral marlin]

i go from 411 tier to either cowl 418 or 402 weap to 418 weap

[vestal wren]

the best 2nd embellishment is lariat

[viral marlin]

i do allready have lariat :D

the 3 crafted items i got atm is ress bracer weapon and lariat

[vestal wren]

cowl is bis, boots are fine as alternative if you never raid

not sure about 10.1 embellishments

[viral marlin]

cowl bis even without eranog ring?

[vestal wren]

it isn't

!sheet

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[vestal wren]

well

it looks like it is still one of the best ones

[viral marlin]

cuz for rogues weapons is good upgrade too :P

i think imma just flip a coin XD

[vestal wren]

weapon is one of your best upgrade in general

because of item level

[viral marlin]

ye

[vestal wren]

weapon dps esp. in mainhand is worth a lot

[viral marlin]

but i could also get nice 418 from vault next week

[vestal wren]

good luck with that

[viral marlin]

hehe thnx :P

[vestal wren]

i haven't seen a dagger in my m+ option

[round swift]

If you’re on Medivh server group I can. Make your dagger 418

[vestal wren]

tho i didn't farm 3 chests each week

[viral marlin]

hmm still hard choice :P

think imma just go for weapon

[vestal wren]

you can always sim it

you can put this below your /simc in top gear and then select the crafted gear you wan to compare

[royal lantern]

your craft order is weapon->lariat->cowl->start fill slots with crafted gear that are bellow 418

[vestal wren]

^

[viral marlin]

thanks alot <3

[vestal wren]

but you forgot a important one

the food embellisment

[viral marlin]

got that on my otehr 418 crafted weapon :D

[vestal wren]

haha nice

[viral marlin]

rogue is a real blast tho :D

been playing rogu for 2 weeks now

highest score i'v ever gotten now is 2,3k :D

and still rising :D

[vestal wren]

nice

[viral marlin]

for someone who has an alt problem

this is the longest ive played on a char XD

[vestal wren]

just wait

did you see the ret rework?

[royal lantern]

oh, you mean the rework that made ret paladin sub rogue with better gameplay?

[vestal wren]

[royal lantern]

DF sub is a mess 🙂

[viral marlin]

nah i dont mess with paladins man XD

and personally

i have more fun wit hasa

assa

and do more dmg as assa for some reason XD

[vestal wren]

for what its worth 10.0.x seems to play decently well and talent setups play out nicely

[teal iris]

was just thinking about how similar the gameplay is when playing my pally earlier

the aoe radius kinda sucks though

[onyx coyote]

Is the info on primordial stones still accurate with the changes to them?

[royal lantern]

yes

[onyx coyote]

cool ty

[royal lantern]

ret paladin after its rework is what sub is supposed to be, burst dmg window based dmg, but not absolutely nothing outside of it

instead sub rn is is "send on CD lol" and "gloomblade most dmg lol"

[vestal wren]

"copy my homwork but don't make it too obviouse"

[teal iris]

[royal lantern]

"copies it better"

man, assa and sub need a rework asap

[teal iris]

surely ret is just a beta test for the new sub changes that are coming

[royal lantern]

sub is just somewhat lucky that it gets somewhat carried by higher tuning

[teal iris]

..right guys?

[royal lantern]

ye, just like how feral is a test for assa rogue aoe

[vestal wren]

i don't think that the core gameplay loop is bad for subtlety

a lot of the issues rly stem from problems of the talent tree layout and talents

[royal lantern]

"the issues are just all the things that make issues"

i mean yeha, ik what you mean

[teal iris]

idk I think a lot of people who play sub wouldnt mind the dmg profile to be a bit higher in dance but a bit longer between dances

[royal lantern]

way to many talent that push dmg into backstab/gloomblade/dots

and 2dance build beeing DoA

gloomblade doing more dmg than shadowstrike is just a crime

[teal iris]

yea it feels like sub and outlaw blend together too much atm and it just depends on tuning which is better

dmg profile basically the same

[viral marlin]

for me assa and subt are like really close

[royal lantern]

and thats why all the outlaw brains jerk themself of to sub rn

[viral marlin]

last dung i did was a sbg 19 57,2k as subt 57,6k on assa XD

[royal lantern]

no lining stuff up, no playing around burst windows, just send send send send all the time

[teal iris]

yea

[royal lantern]

like man

learning sub for raza was such a gutpunch when i loved older sub versions

learn the opener "huh? thats it? now just send everything?"

[teal iris]

are there actually any melee specs left that need to plan around cds now?

[royal lantern]

assa rn does somewhat cus of how exsang works

[teal iris]

I guess havoc and arms to some extent too

[royal lantern]

that you aling exsang+puzzlebox+dm togheter

and when KB sees play, you hold shiv charges for KB and stuff

but yeha, holding cd's is rare these days

[teal iris]

maybe I just reroll boomkin

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/unfriend-block-discord-no-friend-not-friends-gif-22379633

[teal iris]

[viral marlin]

see you back on rogue in 1 day :D

its boring XD

[teal iris]

are there any other multidotters than assa/boomkin atm?

that dont auto apply their dots with some spell

[viral marlin]

feral afflock

[royal lantern]

wut

feral has IC as a basic ability with no CD

for multidotting

[teal iris]

so feral doesnt even have to swap targets on aoe anymore?

[royal lantern]

nope

[teal iris]

does it have any complexity left?

[royal lantern]

primal wrath: a finisher that applies both feral bleeds on 8 targets around you

IC: 45sec cd, next garrote and rupture apply to 8targets

primal wrath is the same, but better

and its litearlly the first talent you can skill as feral, IC is a capstone

[royal lantern]

feral was never really giga complicated, thats just people overreaction like usual

like, you know the "legendary giga complicated WotLK FERAL ROTATION!!!1111!!!"?

its a simple priority flowchart

[teal iris]

i mean it used to be similar to assa with multidotting and some snapshotting in bfa at least

[royal lantern]

its absolutely nothing special lol

[teal iris]

it took more effort than most specs anyway

[vestal wren]

subtlety has some benefits like slighlty more impactful dps cooldowns and can funnel (tho with a high aoe trade off)

[oak sky]

Just rip

[teal iris]

true but like we've seen in previous seasons the dps difference between outlaw and sub doesnt have to be big for outlaw to be favored

[royal lantern]

the talent after it lets it apply rake aswell

[teal iris]

if any difference at all

[royal lantern]

nah, highest dmg=people will favor that spec

like, people always jerk off to "muh utility"

but thats never the case, if the dmg is high, it will be played

+the fact that people always change their opinion on the utility a spec provides lol

[storm belfry]

PW doesn’t apply rake tho I thought

[teal iris]

yea like people talking about hunters not being viable for high keys cause of squishness before the survival meta in SL

that was kinda extreme but still

[royal lantern]

hunter is not even THAT squishy

thats again people talking shit they dont know anything about lmao

like, healer priest is squishy

shaman is squishy

hunter is lower half, but far from the #1 squishy class lol

holy/disc priest doesnt even have a DR lmao, hunter has dr+instant heal+immunity, thats almost 4x better

[vestal wren]

is it ?

[royal lantern]

astral shift.............aaaaaand............?

maybe im missing something

[vestal wren]

[teal iris]

CR is a defensive

[vestal wren]

i think tuning and raid design had a lot of impact of what was good/played in the first tier

outlaw was just rly strong in s4 SL, beta and on release, and the raid did also play a lot in outlaws favour

assassinaiton was initially also noticable ahead on st, before nerfs

so the early spread that was heavy in fav. of outlaw does make a lot of sense

but all 3 specs got nerfed, subtlety just recived the least nerfs and now offers the best trade offs

[royal lantern]

i just love how "spec X is good in m+ cus of utility" is always something people bring up

cus like, remember BfA S1? where outlaws where like "omg ironwire is so op, there is no chance you will ever play outlaw over assa in dungeons, outlaw only has gouge, its so bad, assa can silence 3 enemys every pack for 6seconds wtf????" cus assa was the "better" spec for once in m+, cus it did more dmg

then 8.1 came out and suddenly it was "outlaw is great cus of all its utility, gouge is so op, endless interupts, it will always be meta!!!!"

opinions on utility always change lmao

and now nobody even skills gouge

[vestal wren]

i had my fair share of discussions about gouge

[royal lantern]

[vestal wren]

i do add it as default choice now for m+ recommendations

[royal lantern]

i always skill out of it and take less energy for feint

[vestal wren]

i let people decide

[royal lantern]

same as master poisoner, wasted skillpoint

[teal iris]

and then double destro+survival becomes meta what utility

[vestal wren]

because i get a lot of negative feedback if its not default, so it is better to allow people to opt out rather than opt in

[royal lantern]

"spec X is good" is just a buzzword for people that think they are smart why something played for m+

when its just dmg

like, thats it, its just dmg

the only utility you want for m+ is 1x hero and 1x cr

[vestal wren]

outlaw in bfa was just too oppressive

and i talked to other classes, they partly see subtlety rogue

[oak sky]

Ur actually just wrong lol

[empty dawn]

Man I love gouge, but half the time I’m running with pugs who can’t interrupt and need whatever I can get

[vestal wren]

as being as oppressive as outlaw season 2

what is kinda ... not true

[teal iris]

wasnt season 2 the double triple outlaw comps

[vestal wren]

yes

[teal iris]

sub damage isnt even that insane atm

[vestal wren]

outlaw was quite... overtuned in s2

[teal iris]

its in line with a lot of specs

[vestal wren]

oppressively overtuned to the point you could even run 3

it was nerfed after that

the problem is, blizz isn't that consistent and we had other specs similar oppressive that did not get nerfed

[teal iris]

did you play beta btw? curious if funnel/prio damage will be as good as it is in most of the current dungeons

[vestal wren]

what is kind of a problem because it makes people assume that it is bad

[teal iris]

in season 2

[royal lantern]

huh? primal wrath applies rip, and the talent after it, double clawed rake lets you apply rake in aoe, so you just go primal wrath->rake a couple times for bleed spread and then its all done

[vestal wren]

if something obviousely op gets slightly adjusted

[royal lantern]

probs worded it bad agreon

my london bad and shit

[oak sky]

Nah i mean it read like you were saying primal wrath applies rake

When rake has the replicating shadows treatment

[royal lantern]

eh, worded it badly then

[vestal wren]

wcl statistic will give subtlety a good position now

the ring does opt for a nice power gain

[royal lantern]

ye ik how it works, primal wrath is rip in aoe, talent after it is 2target rake

[vestal wren]

besides subtelty already being fairly good on the aoe fights

i am with you tryan, feral and ret do show design direction specs could take

[storm belfry]

So what do you spam for filler

[royal lantern]

you get bite procs that also do aoe dmg

[vestal wren]

with "could take" i mean rogue design could get inspiration from

[royal lantern]

or primal wrath, cus primal wrath consumes 4sec of your rip on all targets for instant dmg and applies it new

[storm belfry]

At least our damage is bleeds. Isn’t feral still mostly bite damage

Always see them complain that bleeds don’t do enough

[teal iris]

does it smart target or is it dumb like sub rupture?

[royal lantern]

smart iirc

[teal iris]

fucking ferals

spoiled

[storm belfry]

My feral is geared but not as fun to play as rogue

[teal iris]

curious what do you guys think is your most fun alt?

[thorn fjord]

Uh dk

[royal lantern]

dont play alts

my alt is my hunter in destiny

[teal iris]

[royal lantern]

the stealthy trickster class

[storm belfry]

Rogue was

[oak sky]

No

Rip is like all their aoe

[round swift]

Having “Balance of Power” be account wide is low key the best part of 10.0.7

[teal iris]

wait what

[round swift]

Lol P.S. that’s a thing.

[teal iris]

do you need to visit the order hall for it?

[round swift]

Nope. If you have the mog on any toon at all. You unlock all the tints you have for every spec and toon you got.

[teal iris]

whats the questline called

[round swift]

I’ve only done it on dk and warlock. But all my dudes have the look now.

If you don’t have it on any character you got like 2ish months of grinding a head of you.

The achievement is called “A balance of power”

[teal iris]

I'm thought i completed it but guess not, pretty sure im close on the char i played in legion tho

[round swift]

Finish it. I didn’t have the heart to do it on all my toons.

[teal iris]

okay yea i'm only missing the nighthold quests

thank god

step 32 of 35

[round swift]

Yeah. You’re almost there.

[teal iris]

can they be done in 1 week or does it need multiple resets?

[round swift]

When I did it I needed 3 clears each time.

[storm belfry]

Damn you can enchant yours? It wouldn’t let me

[round swift]

Don’t quote me on this. But if you use the appearance through the daggers menu and not the artifact menu you should be good.

[storm belfry]

I’ll have to check

[teal iris]

to clarify, after I finish the questline on my druid I have to unlock the 3 tints on my druid aswell and then ill have all colors on every character?

[storm belfry]

I think long as the base is unlocked. It unlocks for all other classes and the other tints can then just be unlocked in general

[violet talon]

What mog is this?

[round swift]

This.

[round swift]

Pretty sure it’s just mostly the venthyr leather, venthyr back blades, PVE Kingslayer daggers with sim wrath enchant…. Dark ranger hood, face and eyes.

I’ll pull up the actual mog list when I get home

[round swift]

@violet talon

[drifting cosmos]

Where you get that helm

[weak horizon]

dafuq my top gear tells me to drop the heroic eggnog ring

😦

[balmy condor]

whats the other rings

[drifting cosmos]

Socketed eggnog ring?

[strange python]

Could be high mastery ring of it's dungeonslice

[ruby birch]

hello guys

where is assa tier set buff

[royal lantern]

[brazen zodiac]

https://tenor.com/view/thurston-waffles-meow-scream-glowing-eyes-cat-gif-15740056

[drifting cosmos]

you mean redesign

The tier bonus

[autumn frost]

Now that we can get fire stones in our rings, would it be okay to drop flaring cowl for a second embellishment and another tinker socket?

Or is up time too low

[regal sable]

uptime too low

[autumn frost]

[balmy condor]

flaring cowl is the best damage embellishment anyway

[strange python]

Same place as rupture buffs, envenom buffs, AoE rework, exsang removal, and subs 40% buff to shadowstrike and 40% nerf to gloomblade

[green juniper]

Suddenly 80% of my guild quit the game

[storm onyx]

ouch

[steel ridge]

Game is dead till 10.1

[brazen zodiac]

.<

[storm onyx]

thats what we get when player base asks for simplified content for years couse they feel 'forced' to play if there is anything to be done ><

[green juniper]

yep I got the Aotc and 2500 rio and feel like do nothing..

I'll be a very casual till 10.1

[burnt latch]

Hmm feels like theres loads of stuff to do in the game currently tbh

But i guess it depends on what kind of content u play

[cunning nest]

Heyho guys, I am currently about to upgrade my new ring and have a question. For raid wowhead says the frost stone is BIS (besides the blood&twilight ones). My guild is currently sitting at Kurog progression; do you think the lightning one (wich is recommended for m+) makes more sense there? sounds good because of the cleave

[brazen zodiac]

the adds kinda die fast

[storm onyx]

Gogo ST

[oak tangle]

i've been playing a healer to tide over till next patch but in a lull myself atm

need to find a group to prog mythic in next tier to give me a reason after AOTC

[green juniper]

I am levelling a tank as well xdd

[brazen lantern]

Kurog is 95% about boss dmg, add will die to passive cleave and is kinda irrelevant

[flint tusk]

^^^^
I was sin the whole fight purely bleed spreading to big add for energy.

[royal lantern]

mate, its the same as Always in wow

wdym

the only difference is that there is no mandatory ap grind like we had in Legion/bfa

[static glacier]

To be fair there was more raw content in legion, both number of dungeons and solo open world stuff (suramar, class hall quests)

We had more or bigger raids relative to now as well

[oak tangle]

wasn't suramar like a late expansion thing

harsh to compare it to current DF

[brazen lantern]

Suramar was a multiple patch long thing

[oak tangle]

(i did not play legion until it was all released)

[brazen lantern]

It was like 7.0-7.1 iirc, a long story with weekly progress

[royal lantern]

mate, do you really compare the end of Legion (a Expansion that canabalised a other expansion btw) with the start of a other one?

[brazen lantern]

I think its fair, we dont really have much content to do on 1 single char

[oak tangle]

unsure what defines big in terms of raid, but the next tier has 9 bosses

[royal lantern]

same in legion

[brazen lantern]

Imo the game is infinitely more replayable if youre into alts tho

[royal lantern]

and at this point in Legion ylu where doing EN

1of the most dissapointing raids ever

[brazen lantern]

Nah

[static glacier]

I’m actually comparing the start of legion, the things I mentioned were start of legion content

[brazen lantern]

Trial was already out, no?

[static glacier]

Trial came out v quickly

[brazen lantern]

And then nighthold as well

[oak tangle]

and also in fairness, dev time for SL went into DF in kinda the same way

[static glacier]

Night hold better than all raids since bfa tbh

[oak tangle]

as wod to legion

[royal lantern]

no

like, allright its memz, i excpet a stupid point, but SL and WoD is not even close to be compared

SL was just mediocre/bad

wod was litearlly KILLED

[oak tangle]

how was the last tier of SL with it's fated raids

not a fuck it we give up move on here's something slightly new

[royal lantern]

sl had content and they made stuff, wod was "max lvl, raid log, 2raids in total lol"

[brazen lantern]

SL was also cut short

[royal lantern]

Comparing sl with wod is the most stupid thing i ever saw

[brazen lantern]

Sepulcher had 2 end bosses

[royal lantern]

like wtf

[willow eagle]

Season 4 was an attempt to give content while waiting for a new expansion and avoid drought.

[royal lantern]

^

[willow eagle]

Which was an issue for multiple expansions in a row

[viscid spear]

Anduin & Zovaal?

[royal lantern]

same as 10.7 rn

[brazen lantern]

Ye

[willow eagle]

It was addressing a very long term problem and not a sign of giving up on sl or whatnot

[brazen lantern]

The raid post anduin was meant to be the 9.3 raid

[oak tangle]

they literally removed an entire tier from the expac

[willow eagle]

I suspect they will do something like season 4 at end of df again

[oak tangle]

wym

[brazen lantern]

There is a reason you just port up there

Xd

[willow eagle]

Because it was a successful experiment

[viscid spear]

Is it weird that we went that entire expansion, and the only things that happened that actually maintained an impact going forward into Dragonflight was Anduin going into sabbatical and Sylvanas turning over a new leaf?
Literally nothing else that happened really mattere anymore.

[brazen lantern]

[viscid spear]

Shadowlands was just "villain of the expansion", where every other expansion's end boss was crucial to the lore moving forward.

[brazen lantern]

I kinda gave up on story with shadowlands

Got really tilted with how they fucked up the kyrian thing with devos

[oak tangle]

if anything, zereth mortis did well, and korthia to an extent, and that's why we already have a forbidden reach inside 10.0

[viscid spear]

spends entire expansion being a nobody
becomes the most important figure in Shadowlands

[brazen lantern]

Not even pelagos

Just the forsworn or w/e rebellion

Kyrians where just machines and obeying the rules without questioning

[oak tangle]

the biggest thing to come out of SL is a new tree for nightelves

[viscid spear]

I was bringing up Pelagos and the Arbiter, should've clarified

[royal lantern]

idk how people always go from anything SL related to "story bad xd" and then just say everything story based in SL wrong

[oak tangle]

to replace the one that they needlessly burnt for SL

[royal lantern]

wow community, ik

but still, comparing sl to wod? actually braindead take, like you cant be THAT stupid to say that

if sl was like wod it would have played out lime this: sl launched, no covenant story lines, no m+, just nathria

then nothing for ages

them suddenly sepulcher relases and SL is over

because thats what happend in wod

[brazen lantern]

I mean thats kinda what happened

[royal lantern]

they litearlly was NOTHING in the game

NOTHING, no content, no context, no raids, litearlly nothing

[brazen lantern]

Do you sleep with sylvanas body pillow like steve danuser

[royal lantern]

yep, you are the average r/wow user

jesus christ

[brazen lantern]

I have not seen anyone defend shadowlands story this hard

[oak tangle]

dude, do you respect anyone that disagrees with you? it's so childish how insulting you get over people's takes on the internet you can ignore. lol

[royal lantern]

where did i DEFEND THESL.STORY

[brazen lantern]

Oh boi the capslocks are out

[royal lantern]

when the entire thing is "you are braindead to compare sl content with wod content"

when thats a objectively false comparison, made by people that never played wod and just form their opinion by parroting other people

like bruh, wod was litearlly nothing, you could not even play the game because there just nothing to do the second you hit max lvl, that was a dead expansion

SL was just mediocre/bad, but it was not canabalised into df at all

[brazen lantern]

sylvanas is my waifu dont u get it, shadowlands story pog u braindead

[royal lantern]

allright, its an outlawbrain

with ff14 emotes

why do i try

"wod had no content, sl had"

"wtf you are a sylvanas fanboy"

https://tenor.com/view/brain-meme-gif-26221149

[brazen lantern]

Can u point to where i said this

[royal lantern]

1sentence above me??????????

[brazen lantern]

Ive been doing nothing but insulting you in the last few messages, dont think any of them had anything related to wod content

[burnt latch]

Average lore gamer

[half dawn]

most sane lore gamer

[brazen lantern]

[subtle kiln]

should be following the rules of the discord server and not insulting people

[brazen lantern]

Im definately the one that jumped into a normal conversation calling people braindead

[thin ingot]

i check everyday the ptr talent tree to see if they removed or changed Exsang as they said they would

[cunning nest]

I feel like checking wowhead news is the same

But Yeah, Changes would be great

[royal lantern]

best i can do is envenom doing 5%less dmg in pvp

[true basalt]

just got kicked from a +8 HoV for trying to play sin 😄

[misty holly]

What were you thinking

[true basalt]

its a +8 !!!

we'd time it even if i was afk

[storm belfry]

Sucks for them. They won’t improve at all w that mindset

[true basalt]

i'd understand having their doubts in 20 keys

but cmon, its an 8 ...

[flint tusk]

yeh but to them an 8 might be hard

or they might wanting to 3 chest it etc loads of reasons

[true basalt]

sure miss click,where is the invite back then

[pure moth]

Lol i don't know why people are the way they are

[storm belfry]

Anyone can 3 chest an 8 even without trying

[oak tangle]

idk, i was in a group that depleted a 16 cos last week. tank kept pulling dumb things

[burnt star]

Just curious what ilvl

[oak tangle]

doubt he'd 3 chest an 8

[burnt star]

Because. +8 was something we 2 3 chest at the start of season 1. In like.. 375 gear lol

Sry 382

[true basalt]

390

[burnt star]

Ok then wtf

[oak tangle]

i pray it was an actual misclick

[burnt star]

Ya that guy needs a reality check

[true basalt]

mind you, i joined as sub then changed while waiting at the summoning stone. I also had to fly to HoV only to get kicked

but karma was served cuz i got this

in another dung

[oak tangle]

i know this pic means literally nothing but

you can do sin keys

[gaunt moat]

now change it from points to damage

[brazen lantern]

Does it not show the level on that or am i stupid

[oak tangle]

i should log my keys more so i actually have data lol

bigg sad

[true basalt]

Thats overall?

[oak tangle]

yeah for a HOV

[true basalt]

M20?

[oak tangle]

19

im not good though and that was months ago

[verbal mantle]

every spec can be played in 20s so thats not exactly relevant

[true basalt]

Im bad as well on assa

Like rlly bad, i have no idea how to aoe

[oak tangle]

that is my M= rating from sin only

[true basalt]

Should i be proud for having 100% ilvl parse on every raid boss on nm at 386, or its just that the logs got a huge reset?

[oak tangle]

probably a bit of both but mostly that no one has 386 ilvl toons now

[true basalt]

Yeah that as well

But i outdpsed 400+ ilvl guys

[oak tangle]

i'd claim it though

(also i'm only linking those pics as proof you can do the content as sin, not in any way trying to brag, i mean look at it what's there to brag about)

[true basalt]

I understand, imma play sin in m+ from time to time with my pals

[verbal mantle]

it's just a bit weird because the screenshot doesnt really advocate for sin to be viable in m+

you could just open raider io and see that sin rogues timed 24s

[oak tangle]

a personal pic to say that me as a casual can do it

[verbal mantle]

[oak tangle]

of course there will always be people doing it, regardless, but it has more weight imo

[storm belfry]

I love proving pugs wrong

[true basalt]

Even 25’s, right?

[storm belfry]

Yes

[verbal mantle]

Idk, probably

[true basalt]

And 25 is no easy thing

[copper hazel]

varas/seli probs doing them as a sin rogue

[storm belfry]

I aim for a 24 this week if I can nab some time

[flint tusk]

ngl that's a real arrogant take.
borderline elitist.

there is a reason LFR exists lower keys is no different

[storm belfry]

I didn’t it mean it that way. But I’ve played w some below average ppl gearing Alts in those keys and we would 3 chest

Things die so fast

Even if they aren’t that good

Things literally have no health

[flint tusk]

oh no i get you.

Just some people really struggle with wow xD

[oak tangle]

to be fair any casual player who has been playing the game properly that would fit into that bracket would far and away have enough gear to do that

[storm belfry]

Yeah

Ppl are way above ilvl and doing 10s

I knew a guy who was like 412 and was only doing 13s and 14s

Told him to try a 16. Some ppl are just worried about going higher.

[oak tangle]

and people who list keys always take the 2200+ guy that signs up and can carry an 8 to a 3 chest

[storm belfry]

Granted I don’t do those keys atm. But things really do die so fast

[flint tusk]

plenty of reasons. for a 'random' kick. but if it was because of being sin then yet that's pepega as fuck

as that's elitist in and of itself at a +8 xD

[storm belfry]

I mean even when I would do them on a 385 alt and everyone is like 390 ish and ppl play bad or “ not optimal” we just 3 chest

[storm belfry]

Random kick at that level was for sure some wanna be elitist mindset

Seeing a spec that isn’t meta

Ppl are really like that

[oak tangle]

i often sign up for random low keys, when i've had like 30 mins + of being declined for 20's

[storm belfry]

I had ppl leave my keys when I was gearing my rogue

Like as we were forming lmao

[flint tusk]

yeh i'll agree that part is proper weird

[storm belfry]

And now I just love to prove ppl wrong

And do big overalls and big dam

[oak tangle]

it's honestly not so bad, you just feel useless on bosses

[storm belfry]

I usually don’t

[oak tangle]

most pug pulls aren't big enough to really tax out target caps

[storm belfry]

Will almost always plan to have my cds up

If you are doing 65+ I think it’s fine

On bosses

Esp without lust

I’m p sure the main reason I even broke 90k on a TJS was cause I was doing good on bosses

And the first pull and last pull really helped w that too tho w IC

[oak tangle]

have any comparisons for lower ilvl?

[storm belfry]

For what? Boss damage that you should do?

Or overall

I don’t log keys

[oak tangle]

either, i don't have any logs or recolection for where im at with 418

[storm belfry]

I am

416? I think

[oak tangle]

my last sin key was logged at 404 ilvl XD

[storm belfry]

I’m usually anywhere from 95-105ish outside of AA

My highest AA is 127k I think

[spice spire]

My overall is swingy on dungeons; depends on tank; pulls, etc.
Goes from 73(think cos)-115ish (think AV/NO)

[storm belfry]

But that was a 20. Could probs be more on a higher key

I will do a 23 TJS tonight to see if I can keep the same or more overall than the 21 I did on Friday night

Yeah my CoS is low

I think 81 is my highest

Which isn’t bad but

Ppl really don’t pull as much as they could in that dungeon. I think cause it’s so free either way you run it. They just play it safe

[oak tangle]

i could only imagine the size of my logs file if i logged keys

[storm belfry]

I just don’t like logging cause it would always freeze up my computer for a few seconds when combat starts

[spice spire]

Yeah same - I did a 20 this week and actually pulled my lowest I’ve done because there was nothing to do.

[storm belfry]

It really gimped my keys when I was trying to push as hpal in Slands

[spice spire]

Slow pulled dungeon

2 81ks and me at 64

[storm belfry]

I remember we pulled the big red guys in dos

[spice spire]

Felt awful man

[storm belfry]

And I would go to set up and then press ashen

[oak tangle]

is overall in WCL calculated by combat time or key time

[storm belfry]

But soon as combat started my pc locked up

And I’d come back to one person dead and almost everyone else about to die

So I just don’t live log

[spice spire]

Key time

You can go over active % and show combat time

[storm belfry]

Yeah there is quite the difference on details overall vs logs

Idk I’m just trying to get better. I try some diff things in dungeons every few runs or so. To see if I see a difference

[pure moth]

Yeah i noticed that in logs numbers are cut in half almost for dungeons.

[storm belfry]

Getting used to dps CDs timers compared to my healing ones is very fun and challenging

[oak tangle]

i just hard swapped to sub for keys, and just slap sec tec and black powder, sad really

[storm belfry]

But whenever I am highest dam overall compared to some “meta” classes I just

I’ve only done one key as sub

I think.

[spice spire]

I carried some poor mage to ksh on prenerf AV because the tank pulled like a mad man

[pure moth]

Ive had my first experience of tanks pulling trash into bosses. Ive heard people say it happens. Never seen it till the other night.

[storm belfry]

I love when they do that (when it works out)

[storm belfry]

What a sweetheart

[viscid spear]

[spice spire]

Don’t think we’ve ran a key this season

[oak tangle]

111 sin keys and 77 sub

[vestal wren]

everyone starts somewhere

[storm belfry]

You tank my 23 TJS Tonight or tomorrow? @spice spire

[viscid spear]

[spice spire]

But damage is easy when tank pulls 3 groups at a time

[spice spire]

At 405

[storm belfry]

I am here to show the non believers

[spice spire]

Buddy nah

[storm belfry]

Come on brother

You are DK

Basically god

[spice spire]

Until I get one shot

[storm belfry]

The only pulls to worry

Are first

And last

[spice spire]

Tjs is incredible spooky to tank

[storm belfry]

I guess also since fort the one in the hall before crane

Yeah I hated healing it

[spice spire]

The crane popped purg on a 17

[storm belfry]

And it’s not even bosses that are an issue to heal

Like I was fine w last boss to heal pre nerf

But the trash is ass

[spice spire]

Third boss can be

[storm belfry]

I have secret tech

[oak tangle]

yo i detest healing fort tjs

[storm belfry]

[spice spire]

But it was a lot easier last night since I got the groove

[storm belfry]

To where It was a non issue

[spice spire]

Pool rp, drop two deaths trikes after strike then move out

[storm belfry]

It’s like a dance for y’all yeah

[oak tangle]

every time the small sha's are dying i'm crying in mistweaver

[spice spire]

Yeah I was learning the dance (not last night, Friday)

[storm belfry]

It’s really the little explody boys

[spice spire]

I went to sleep stupid early on a Saturday night

[oak tangle]

you know it's gonna be a good key when 20s into the key you're having to slap a revival cause no iterrupts go out

yet to work out what mob does the group wide dot in CoS

[storm belfry]

I have been addicted to hearthstone

[oak tangle]

cause when i dps it doesnt happen

[storm belfry]

Idk what’s wrong w me

But I’m on the way to platinum rank

[spice spire]

I like card games, hs fun

I rebooted up for the first time in years last year; grafted aggro hunter, got legend from unranked in 2 weeks

[storm belfry]

As MW you just essence font. Place down stomp and spin to win man

Do big dam and big healing

[spice spire]

Stopped playing, refuse to elaborate

[storm belfry]

Omg legend rank

I am a noob

I just play jackpot rogue

W renethal 40 card deck set up

[oak tangle]

yeah but when all them lil sha's die at once, no recourse

[storm belfry]

I did play Druid w some swarm deck and then I also played mage when cthun was popping

[storm belfry]

That’s when you leg sweep

But tbh ppl gotta pop defensives

On those

[oak tangle]

also my friends have no self control and first week of healing them was bursting, and they decided to extend 5 stacks

[storm belfry]

Bursting is my fav affix

As healer

I miss the slime pull in plaguefall

[oak tangle]

and i'm just like, revival is a 3 min cd and you made me use it last pack for 5 stacks, you're all dead this time

[storm belfry]

Killing them all. Getting 15 stacks and everyone surviving

Eat those stacks

[storm belfry]

Can’t you expel harm it off you

So you could expel harm. Decurse one then heal the others

[oak tangle]

honeslty not sure

XD

[storm belfry]

I think you can but I may be wrong

I haven’t played MW since season 3 Slands

[oak tangle]

i would expect diffuse magic to work more so if something did

[storm belfry]

I mostly play Hpal as 2nd healer. After my Druid

And w pally I just bubble if it’s that high. Sac someone and then dispel

So not sure of what all MW can do. Only a few seasons of it. Not high content

[oak tangle]

im just playin, i've managed 18's on it, still haven't touched nok or a tyran hov

the sustained damage scares me

[storm belfry]

If you’re looking for some tips on that spec I know someone who’s real good at it

[storm belfry]

I believe the duo boss for MW is pretty terrifying

But that boss is also is a healer check for msot healers

[oak tangle]

i'm more scared for the storm boss, and such. but that's just unfamiliarity with the fight

[storm belfry]

Storm boss is very easy

Especially w the buffs to the orbs timer

You just maintain 10 stacks and that’s it

It’s a breeze at 10 stacks

[oak tangle]

yeah, in theory, but without knowing timings, that can go horribly wrong

[storm belfry]

If you have basic WA for dungeons

And or big wigs or something

It lets you know like 10 seconds before storm comes

There is no real damage outside of storm

[oak tangle]

i know, but panic mode sets in

XD

[storm belfry]

Just do not use CDs on lightning strikes

[spice spire]

Also if you’re tanking

[oak tangle]

i'm far more comfortable with the rotation during healing cd now, so i could probs do it

[spice spire]

Do not leave the boss’s melee range

The spells hurt way worse

[storm belfry]

And only use one cd per storm unless some bad shit

[storm belfry]

If I tank you know it’s a deplete

[oak tangle]

the 10.0.7 change to one of the abilities makes it super good, it used to target 3 random targets, so no prio healing, now it targets all 5

[spice spire]

Me if healing

[storm belfry]

The shen something

That new spell

[oak tangle]

yeah sheiluns

[storm belfry]

Yeah it’s p decent now

[spice spire]

But yeah - bdk is nice in the fact that it’s one of the classes that legitimately doesn’t care about storm, you heal through easily

[oak tangle]

essentially another revival but this ones on 80s cd

[storm belfry]

But yeah if 10 stacks and ppl use defensives. It’s really not that hard