assassination

[uncut echo]

Ty

[storm belfry]

The game could use some small improvements but it’s really good atm and fun. If you feel otherwise that sounds like a personal issue

[thick sail]

The game is the best it's been since WOTLK, in my personal opinion, as someone who never played Legion.

[uncut echo]

It's better than legion, having destroyed my life on this game

[thick sail]

But simultaneously saying "well we've been crying about wanting changes for months and nothing has happened so let's all just stop talking about that" isn't intuitive to me

[storm belfry]

But you can point out build diversity all you want and that it can be a thing but unless everything is equal value there will always be no diversity

[uncut echo]

This

Entire

Argument

[storm belfry]

Maybe 1-3 flex talents but that’s not diversity

It just won’t happen

In any game

[uncut echo]

Started when you had some INSANE takes about the base design of talent trees

[storm belfry]

But you actually can be as diverse as you want

But you will be shit

So choice is yours

[thick sail]

I think what we'd need is, as I said, significant choice nodes that force you to either take like, a 20 second blind or a massive DPS increase

[uncut echo]

Destroying anyone with some amount of objectivity from taking you seriously

[thick sail]

That way, you weigh massive utility against major DPS increases

[uncut echo]

You hit bong cloud territory

[vague widget]

All DPS all the time.

[storm belfry]

20 second blind? What

[oak sky]

You would just always take dps in pve lmao

[storm belfry]

Where would you use that

[thick sail]

(just a crazy off the cuff example of massive utility)

[storm belfry]

First boss 28 plaguefall?

[silk bane]

not really true, the fact that some people have DTB icon and others have the KB icon next to their name shows people preferred and played different builds. then in 10.1 they put them both int he same node and killed everything because they didnt realize that the reason the builds were simming so close to each other was because of the nodes before them not the talents themselves.

[oak sky]

Its not a question really

[uncut echo]

I'm clocking out of this conversation

[balmy condor]

That payoff made ny’alotha the most dumb shitfest of parsing ever btw

[storm belfry]

See what I said about 1-3 talent difference

Isn’t diversity

[uncut echo]

I'm fearing a dogpile which I don't want

[misty holly]

It sounds like one of you is having a pvp discussion and the other is having a pve discussion and neither of you realize it.

[storm belfry]

I mean they are talking PVE I thought

[balmy condor]

People throwing away survivability in the name of damage

[silk bane]

they were completley different playstyles what

[storm belfry]

I mean one talent change?

That’s not a different build

[silk bane]

yeah! KB played very differently than DTB

[storm belfry]

It does but if all your other talents are the same

Besides that one

[balmy condor]

It’s a button you push every minute

[storm belfry]

How is that diversity

Diversity is multiple diff talents basically a whole diff talent tree/points taken

[thick sail]

I do like diversity. I don't think advocating for diversity is bad lol

[storm belfry]

Not 1-3

[silk bane]

thats a different isssue of everything in sins kit being a button u press when its off cd and forget about it.

[storm belfry]

It just won’t happen ever

Diversity to the degree ppl want will not happen

Unless everything was so equal

There will always be something outperforming

[balmy condor]

but you’re the one who just said it played differently

[storm belfry]

I mean no one is stopping you from being diverse or whatever. But it won’t be the best.

[oak sky]

Diversity to me would mean building different depending on the scenario more than having 2 equal builds for st or something dumb like that

[thick sail]

So let's just say, for a moment, you could either take Dragon Tempered Blades or a 15 second blind for M+

[storm belfry]

Idk How else to explain

[thick sail]

I feel like that's a real choice

[vague widget]

Dooming as a joke, I get. But I just don't like seeing it constantly. I'm hopeful they will re assess eventually, but damn it's a lot watching people lately. I appreciate this discord for the information and the goofy bongosub, but I hope people can be happy at some point.

[storm belfry]

Oh now we are at 15 seconds

[oak sky]

No its not

Lol

[balmy condor]

It isn’t

[storm belfry]

No it’s not

[oak sky]

Just take dtb

[storm belfry]

Dude you are smoking

[oak sky]

0 second blind

[storm belfry]

Maybe in pvp

[oak sky]

Take dtb

[storm belfry]

That is a choice

[thick sail]

DTB is my favorite talent

[storm belfry]

Explains a lot then

[oak sky]

[thick sail]

It's so good lol

[silk bane]

atleast u would hold shiv for it! like the base kit is the same, not sure how much different we can get. we dont have that many thigns that can do damage to have actually different builds (like enhance physical vs elemetnal build)

[misty holly]

Make it a 15 second aoe stun and you might be on to something.

[silk bane]

we got like 2 bleeds, 1 (2) poisons thats it

[thick sail]

But 15 second blind, don't act like you wouldn't talent into that and play with it

[silk bane]

not much u can make with that

[balmy condor]

I won’t

[thick sail]

Even in m+?!

[storm belfry]

When I say build diversity I mean majority of the tree/talents taken is different from everyone else

[oak sky]

That would be better than any other aoe stop in the game lol it would never be 15s

[balmy condor]

In anywhere

[thick sail]

That is so many interrupts

[oak sky]

And we dont need an aoe stop

[balmy condor]

I would not play it

Anywhere

[storm belfry]

Like if you are playing a ST build and I take exasange and you don’t that’s not really diversity

[thick sail]

Okay I mean that's chaos, because in PvP it would be unreal

Obviously it could never be allowed in PvP

[storm belfry]

That’s just one talent changed

[uncut echo]

If we get blind brought down to 15 seconds

[balmy condor]

Okay I should clarify

[rocky raven]

are the new rings worth it?

[balmy condor]

I don’t give a fuck about pvp

[silk bane]

i think thats a sin issue though, whatever talents you take, your playstyle with sin doesnt change. you have like bleeds and poisons. theres ltierally nothing u can do that changes the playstyle of keep bleeds and poisons up and press things on cd.

[storm belfry]

Check pins

[rocky raven]

ty

[brazen zodiac]

i mean would there actually be a reason to play it lol

[uncut echo]

Pins, .7% for sin in ST

[balmy condor]

Pvp at this point is a mini game

[storm belfry]

If you think it is an issue for sin you definitely don’t play other classes

[thick sail]

Oh! Yes, @silk bane that's something I was going to point out

[storm belfry]

Resto Druid has been the same for like 3 years

[signal badger]

Blind is cool and all but in high m+ aoe stops is much more valuable than a single stop

[oak sky]

Not always true

[thick sail]

So, no matter what build you use with assassination, it's pretty much always best to open with Garrote. Do we (mostly) agree?

[balmy condor]

I wish it’s only been 3 years for sin

[storm belfry]

I think even longer

[silk bane]

Enhance can be like okay i hvae so many different ways of doing damage. Sub can be like okay maybe my finishers do damagae, maybe my builders. so in theory, maybe they can be close in numbers and then u pick what u want but with sin specifically youre fucked, theres nothign u can do

[thick sail]

I would really like a talent that encouraged the use of Ambush as an opener

[storm belfry]

But off the top of my head they play the same way since fucking end of bfa

[signal badger]

90% of cases you want aoe stops

[storm belfry]

Afair

[oak sky]

Having 4 single target stops is really good

[balmy condor]

Sin has been the same for over a decade brother

[uncut echo]

Sin still in their cata era

[storm belfry]

Majority of classes play the same as they always have

[oak sky]

Rogue can solo mobs

[thick sail]

I know, but things can change!

[storm belfry]

Okay well don’t give any ideas cause 20 second blind is a wasted talent point

[brazen zodiac]

https://tenor.com/view/meme-cat-gif-23774444

[verbal flower]

make a ranged rogue spec thats a knife juggler

[storm belfry]

Remove outlaw as sword user make them bow and arrow/gun user

[thick sail]

Like sure, still keep Garrote as a priority button to push, but there could be a talent like, "whenever you use ambush from stealth or shadowdance, apply Garrote"

[storm belfry]

Since we are memeing

[verbal flower]

no outlaw should sword and gun

and be full pirate

[thick sail]

That could potentially give build variety

[brazen zodiac]

remove outlaw.* fixed

[storm belfry]

Fuck outlaw bring back old combat

[uncut echo]

Van helsing demon hunter pls

[verbal flower]

why would you say something so hurtful 😦

[mossy hazel]

I always hate asking this question, but I'm considering coming back to the game. Are all 3 rogue specs still pretty close right now?

[uncut echo]

Why are you reading assassination

[signal badger]

Nope

[uncut echo]

Where we hate you

[verbal flower]

i like all 3

[balmy condor]

Close enough for 99% of the community

[verbal flower]

actually i like sin and outlaw

sub is eh

[brazen zodiac]

not close enough for assassination chat

[storm belfry]

I just want more poison dam

[verbal flower]

agreed

[thick sail]

So wait, do we like my ambush talent idea or no

[storm belfry]

More toxic abilities

[mossy hazel]

I've always been a Sin man, I switched to Sub near the end of my time in SL and it was ok.

[uncut echo]

If you're not pushing 25s or doing raz on mythic

Sin is fine

[verbal flower]

i wish sepsis was good

[signal badger]

Might be next tier

[balmy condor]

I really don’t wish sepsis was good

[storm belfry]

I liked sepsis too but it does need to be changed a bit

[balmy condor]

The gameplay is so cancer

[storm belfry]

Whispyr showed me the light

Of the error that is sepsis

[thick sail]

Using Ambush from stealth or Shadowdance applies Garrote for 10 seconds.

[storm belfry]

But It should be reworked

Or even implemented w some other ability

[silk bane]

u dont like having 1 more button to press every 1 minute then 10 seconds later getting your WA to tell you oh yeah press garrote i guesss ?

[verbal flower]

just bring back un-nerfed obedience and all is good

[balmy condor]

It’s a garrote at the start and the end now, it’s so dumb

[storm belfry]

We need something to speed up bleeds on AOE

For more front loaded damage

[balmy condor]

No

We don’t

[storm belfry]

Or a way to guarantee PB

[balmy condor]

We just need more aoe

The front loading is fine

[storm belfry]

What would you suggest

[silk bane]

oh yeah, and losing sbs makes energy economy a bit worse too i guess, man Sepsis, what a genius design of a talent

[thick sail]

It makes me really sad that spamming Crimson Tempest in M+ is anti synergistic with Poison Bomb

[storm belfry]

I rarely spam ct

Maybe on sanguine weeks

[thick sail]

Neither do I, but that seems to be how most rogues do m+

Sin rogues*

[balmy condor]

Adding stuff that does aoe, Make envenom cleave or something

[storm belfry]

It really doesn’t matter which you do

[misty holly]

IC as a passive would help with AoE quite a bit, especially for fortified week when pulls go over 20 seconds.

[balmy condor]

Ic as a PASSIVE

[storm belfry]

But I prefer tab target envenom if mobs are standing still. And then ct if they are moving

[balmy condor]

Holy

[misty holly]

yep

[brazen zodiac]

[signal badger]

Nah

[thick sail]

IC as a passive lol

[balmy condor]

This chats actually off the meds today

[storm belfry]

I mean ppl hate it but why can’t we get cdr on some things

[thick sail]

That would be chaos

[silk bane]

not sure if 200 IQ or 2 IQ take but, what if, if the target has CT bleed on them, everytime you CT u get a chance to proc poison bomb on the target. and then tune the proc chance

[storm belfry]

Honest question

[thick sail]

IC is already an amazing talent and I don't think it needs help

[brazen zodiac]

lets go play maplestory?

im stuck on a quest

[storm belfry]

I’d play maple story if I could use WASD

[balmy condor]

Sure

[brazen zodiac]

goy almost 182

[signal badger]

Imo give us a button on a 30s cd that drops a juiced poison bomb at our feet

[storm belfry]

No cap

[balmy condor]

I’m getting there

Blood pressure is rising

[thick sail]

I would like an actual Poison Bomb button talent

[misty holly]

IC is great, and in 20 second pulls I can keep up with other aoe classes fine. Why would it be crazy to have a capstone that lets us keep up with aoe classes in pulls longer than that?

[thick sail]

Super rogue fantasy thematic

[brazen zodiac]

maplestory so wholesome

[misty holly]

I dont see why you think its so insane

[brazen zodiac]

the themed dungeons r cool

[thick sail]

I don't think it's insane at all, I just think there are a lot of really lackluster talents they could improve first

[radiant orbit]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/u1Pgkxib1EsE5Jd1BFkGn5

is it fine though?

[thick sail]

The main thing I dislike is it's one less button to press, which reduces thinking

Thinking is good

[radiant orbit]

ring is actually +0 in bis gear without bugged gems

[storm belfry]

I want 2 charges on IC

[thick sail]

Also it would mean all 3 of our capstones are now passive lol

[tacit otter]

sim on nightly

[thick sail]

It's already not a very high apm class, you're turning it into grandpa mode

[misty holly]

the fucking dream.

[thick sail]

Apm spec*

[radiant orbit]

ty sir

[tacit otter]

if i learned 1 thing from this chat. its act like weekly does not exist:)

[signal badger]

Already is

🙂

[thick sail]

What's the difference between simming nightly vs. weekly?

@signal badger I mean you're not wrong, that's why my old ass can blast with this spec, meanwhile when I try outlaw my hands stop functioning

[tacit otter]

new changes are not reflected in weekly sims, f.e. the twilight dmg

nightly gets updated more frequently

[thick sail]

I'll have to take a look at that setting, I don't think I ever noticed that as an option

[radiant orbit]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3rfPTyrh3wvQGHtCaL882E anyway it's only + 70 (

[tacit otter]

but i think some other folks can explain it more precise

[balmy condor]

Yeh, we’ll see what happens in a week

[signal badger]

In bis gear sure it’s not great but it does help people get to bis gear for free, not hoping for a lucky weekly vault drop. It’s a step in the right direction even if the tuning is questionable

[storm belfry]

Imo idk why they even wasted time w the ring

[balmy condor]

It’s not much more than what you said, nightly is updated nightly, weekly is updated weekly

[storm belfry]

This system is for sure coming back at some point or they are just dumb

[signal badger]

Something for people to grind till 10.1

[storm belfry]

I mean I guess

[past bobcat]

I mean everything in the game is optional. If you don't like it or care for it just don't do it?

[storm belfry]

Yeah that’s always my thing

[balmy condor]

That’s not how a lot of people play though

[storm belfry]

Which is why I’m not farming it. But like there has to be more to this than just for this small patch

[storm belfry]

I was that way w domination shards and conduit leveling

[balmy condor]

It’s a bit of a cop-out to just say “don’t do it ”

Because like yeah you don’t need to do it

Same way you don’t need your tier set

[storm belfry]

Didn’t have em at max and was still keeping up w ppl who farmed their lives away in the maw

[balmy condor]

Or you don’t need to be max level

[rain oyster]

#makeassassGreatAGANE

[signal badger]

Also they are using dev time on it

[past bobcat]

Or just don't it right away. Out of the systems they've done this is by far one of the easiest to do. The puzzles were neat in the vault aswell. Overall an enjoyable experience I thought.

[storm belfry]

I just think to put a system like this on one item for a patch to “farm” is a waste of their own time. Unless they bring it back in the future

[balmy condor]

A ton of people here play to be optimal

[storm belfry]

Like they gotta be testing the waters for feedback

[balmy condor]

If it’s optimal people will farm it

Regardless of how they enjoy it

[signal badger]

Remember torghast?

[rain oyster]

Except when it comes to using exang or not

[tacit otter]

what exactly is the reason then theres these 2 options? couldnt you just use nightly for everyone?

[balmy condor]

Because there’s times when nightly’s have mistakes, and having a stable weekly build to revert back to isn’t a bad thing

[storm belfry]

Smart

[tacit otter]

but i assume people review changes before they go into nightly?

[hallow token]

time off your life you can't get back?

[signal badger]

Sure but changes don’t always go as planned tho

[thick sail]

@hallow token I legitimately loled

Got me

[balmy condor]

The simc devs kinda just implement stuff idk

We’ve had plenty of times where a change that should’ve been fine in the backend ends up causing mutilate to not proc poisons or something

Because it fucked up the driver for poison applications

It’s a code base of like 3 million lines of code

Shit will go wrong

It happens

[tacit otter]

i see, so its more probable for people to find these things when they have time like couple days later. makes sense ty:)

[storm onyx]

Is upgrading Prophetic Twilight Stone just an ilvl issue or does it have any affect on proc rate/simultaneousity etc?

[formal ore]

how do i upgrade the stones ?

[uncut echo]

#wow-general

Should be able to help you

[formal ore]

ty

it was fixed there

[uncut echo]

Ye

Glad you found your answers!

[thorn fjord]

Help me @uncut echo I’m having an existential crisis

Thanks for that pin @gusty mirage you’re a gentleman and a scholar

[uncut echo]

What am I helping you with darling

[thorn fjord]

I feel like a trash can and I’m frustrated with the game

Been bothering me all day

[uncut echo]

I'm sorry to hear that

That's never fun

[brazen zodiac]

well what do u feel trash about like a boss kill or bad key or

what is wrong friend!

[thorn fjord]

Feel like I’ve been under performing in raid

By a lot

[brazen zodiac]

have u linked ur logs for the gamers here to look at?

[thorn fjord]

Yeah but I know what I’m doing wrong

And even with hood pulls with solid bleed uptime I do bad

[thick sail]

Dude I've got an idea for a new capstone node.

Prerequisite: Blindside

Serrated Blades: Whenever you critically strike with Ambush, you apply 14 seconds of Garrote to your target. Whenever this occurs, gain 1 combo point.

Synergizes with Systemic Failure, Venom Rush, Master Assassin, Nightstalker, Subterfuge, Find Weakness, Shadow Dance, and Improved Ambush.

I think this might give Assassination rogues some incentive to use Shadowdance and a lot of the talents on the right side of the tree. To my knowledge, there's currently no compelling reasons or synergies for assassination rogues to spec to Shadowdance.

It also would just change our rotation for M+, because it would make Ambush an attractive opener!

[thorn fjord]

Finished terros at 76k last night in a 4:30 kill

[thick sail]

Could call it a different name, since Serrated Blades was an old subtlety talent lol

[thorn fjord]

5:30 kill actually

Just feels like I’m trying super hard and still not getting the results I want

[uncut echo]

5:30 tho

That's close to peak badge

Sorry, sub 4 is peak badge

[silk bane]

5:30 is still pretty bad timing tbh, have u looked at the log? is there anything you could improve that would make a meaningful difference?

[thorn fjord]

Maybe my 4m DM rotation is bad

Here I’ll post the log from last night

[echo heath]

So you run the risk of overwriting your exsang or pandemic?

[thorn fjord]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/TBmN6MRLC4gKvzGd#fight=5&type=damage-done

Had some bleed drops

And for sure not playing optimal

And I don’t know why I usually do… I think my frustration is seeping in to my hands or something I dunno

Whatever im gonna stop bitching and try and be better

[echo heath]

If terros is on farm now do you have a different trinket from grief?

[thick sail]

@echo heath I mean I guess if you took this talent you just wouldn't run Exsanguinate

[thorn fjord]

I have a mythic icon but torch is still ahead of that

[echo heath]

It would still feel bad getting your pandemic overwritten unless it works as a different bleed

[echo heath]

I'm just wondering if it's getting optimal use on that fight

[thick sail]

@echo heath I'm pretty sure the 50 energy it would routinely save you on having to reapply Garrote, plus the extra CP generation, plus you being able to potentially apply Garrote to different target would be an increase

[restive spire]

Your first death mark is copying a garrote that has like 3 seconds left on it

[silk bane]

I feel like youre missing a lot of envenom casts, how energy starved are you? you have like less envenom casts than people with 4:30-4:40 kill timers

but also most of the higher parses are abusing torch, gettting like 5-6 casts in 4:30-5 min

[tacit otter]

DM doesnt snapshot, so thats not really right

only exsang does work like that

[restive spire]

oh yeah youre right

[echo heath]

Getting the eranog ring would also help but it's getting late in the game for that

[thorn fjord]

I thought you refresh the imp garrote with pand on opener after vanish

[thorn fjord]

I don’t really feel very starved

[silk bane]

also youre missing about 300-400k damage on your first deathmark mostly because of the first garrote drop i think

try this variation of opener instead

for your puzzle box

[thorny pond]

Make sure you don't overcap CP

[silk bane]

you exsang puzzle box , try this instead so u can have full uptime and dont have to do awkward vanish garrote garrote shenanigans

[thorny pond]

spent the anima charged ones. finish at max or max -1

[silk bane]

during your deathmark

[thorn fjord]

I was using this but wanted to try the optimal opener

Been trying it for 2 weeks now

[limber lion]

There is no "optimal opener"

[thorn fjord]

Thought holding vanish was optimal

[limber lion]

Using vanish pre-exsang is the same

[thorn fjord]

I guess I’ll revert to the original opener

[limber lion]

Doesn't matter

[thorn fjord]

Whispyr said it was like a 1.5 increase overall fight

[limber lion]

Using sbs before first rupture is more optimal than using it there for one

But like stuff like that is literally just within margin and doesn't matter

[thorn fjord]

Ok

[limber lion]

but if you sbs early and vanish early, you kill most dumb cp rng that can happen

So it'll feel the same everytime, without variance

[storm belfry]

I just do the opener that’s in faq

[thorn fjord]

What about my second and third DMs

[limber lion]

Gar Slice Gar Sbs Rup Er Rup Vanish Gar Exsang Puzzle Dm Shiv Envenom

[thorn fjord]

How bad am I botching those

[limber lion]

Well doing double garrote is entirely useless and pointless

like here

[thorn fjord]

Saw some higher parses doing that so I decided to go with it

[limber lion]

What are you gaining from doing that?

[storm belfry]

Wow I do that on bosses in m+

[limber lion]

Your garrote is already above pandemic

[storm belfry]

TIL I am cringe

[thorn fjord]

Thought the upfront dmg was good

[limber lion]

You get a full 24s garrote from the very first vanish gar

The second one literally does nothing

other than generate cp

[storm belfry]

Should I open w garrote then just 3-4cp rupture or

[thorn fjord]

Ok

[storm belfry]

Garrote mut, rupture

[thorn fjord]

Noted as well

[storm belfry]

?

[limber lion]

You do double gar in the beginning because you don't have garrote on the boss yet

So you get a 24s garrote in the beginning

During the encounter after that you always single garrote because you should have garrote on the boss 24/7

[storm belfry]

Okay so double garrote in opener is fine if snd rolling?

[limber lion]

Meaning a single garrote will always bring it up to 24s

[limber lion]

Opener only yes

[storm belfry]

Okay cool

[limber lion]

And honestly probably only with Exsang + Puzzle Box

[storm belfry]

I was worried I was doing it wrong for a sec

[limber lion]

but I cba checking the math on that

[silk bane]

like something seems wrong too though, like your puzzle'd up garrotes during opener are doing less damage than some other guys garrotes on the opener thats not even running box. not sure whats going ont here tbh

[limber lion]

@thorn fjord this is a weird combination of keys as well

You should always press Rupture - Vanish Gar - Exsang - Puzzle Box - DM in that order when you have them all available

Slamming down shiv and sbs between casts is not optimal

[thorn fjord]

That was me forgetting box

[limber lion]

Yeah, maybe also capped on sbs or something

[thorn fjord]

And being like oh fuck

[limber lion]

but you pretty much don't press sbs there

You should be at 0 stacks most of the time anyways

[thorn fjord]

Gonna practice on heroic tonight

I appreciate you @limber lion Ty

Guess I should stop shit posting and actually focus on playing lol

[limber lion]

Also what's going on here

You're missing out on 2 entire Shiv casts

[silk bane]

^ yeah i noticed specially during the end u missed like 3c asts

[limber lion]

I get you're holding for cooldowns, but you're literally holding Shiv for a minute there both times

[thorn fjord]

Don’t remember what happened with that tbh

I usually@smash on cd

[limber lion]

1:27-2:23 and 03:31-04:29

Yeh just slam on cd, syncing stuff is worth it but giga not if you just end up missing casts

[tacit otter]

if shiv is on 18 sec and dm on like 25-30 thats fine to hold right?

[thorn fjord]

The only time I hold is for dm

I think I missed casts because I was waiting for vanish to come off cd

But I should have taken into account timing

And send shiv

With those timings

But if I revert back to my older opener I won’t have that problem

Which is pretty much what you sent me @limber lion

[limber lion]

DM lasts for 16 seconds, Shiv lasts for 8s. Shiv cooldown is 25s. So you want to fit one entire Shiv inside the DM window every time, doesn't matter if it's in the beginning or towards the end. So it's probably a pretty safe bet to hold Shiv if DM cooldown is 17s or less.

[storm belfry]

Don’t you just send shiv on cd

[limber lion]

Did you read the conversation or nah

I won't answer that question

[thorn fjord]

Yeah so with shiv and dm coming off if dm is at 20s or higher I’ll shiv

But usually hold below 20s

But vanish was like 10s behind dm with the rotation I was using

[limber lion]

Well it's not really that black and white because sometimes you might end up holding Deathmark for a few seconds because of mechanics or whatever

I would say that you hold Shiv if the cooldown of Deathmark is less than 15s or so

[thorn fjord]

Ok ok

[limber lion]

Again, missing the Shiv cast there is a bigger loss than not syncing it

[thorn fjord]

Gotcha that makes sense too

[storm belfry]

I’m on mobile. Convo didn’t load up and I sent as it did

My bad

[limber lion]

If you want to be super duper optimal, you would hold the 4 minute DM together with all other cds (except Shiv again) until 5 minutes to sync everything with potion

[spice spire]

Wicked

[thorn fjord]

I hold er for@the 4m dm

[limber lion]

Or if the fight is over 6 minutes, you would send Exsang/Box at 3 minutes, sync everything together at 6 minutes with potion

And so on

Fight length is the number one thing to pay attention to after you've somewhat mastered your rotation

[thorn fjord]

See I was doing this too but whispyr said the dmg is bad and just hold till 4m Everytime

[limber lion]

Just think about it

One missed cast of Exsang + Puzzle box

Vs no missed casts

You still sync everything together at 6 minutes, this time with potion

Instead of holding for 3+ minutes, you would just send them for free

Bad damage or not, it's still free damage that you're missing out on if that's what you're looking for

[tacit otter]

i literally have a note with recent kills on every boss, average fight times and cd usage to help me out through reclear.

[limber lion]

But again, that's super niche

[thorn fjord]

But using the log as an example since it was 530 I’d hold till 4

[flint ridge]

What phial you guys use in raid/m+

[limber lion]

And only works for specific fight lengths

Yes

5:30 is not enough

You need something like 6:40 to mega sync stuff at 6 mins and send at 3m

[spice spire]

5:45

[limber lion]

Tepid Vers everywhere always

[spice spire]

Amen

[limber lion]

Corrupting Rage if you're bis geared and doing dog raid content with mega gamers

[thorn fjord]

Ok so after this convo what I took away is that I should revert to how I was playing prior to trying to “optimize” my pulls

[limber lion]

Send Shiv on cd

Send Vanish in the opener

[tacit otter]

is the bug with kurog still a thing? think whispyr told me something about the fight not proccing the negative effect

[limber lion]

Slam

[limber lion]

No clue

[thorn fjord]

Really appreciate you man thanks again

[limber lion]

No probs homie, good luck out there

[flint ridge]

Does the infographic on opener mean i can use puzzlebox before vanish garrote?

[tacit otter]

just do this, and you will be all gucci

[limber lion]

I wonder if the infographic had some kind of text that explained it

But it literally kinda does not matter when you use it

As long as you use it just before or soon after exsang

[flint ridge]

Any upside to sbsing before the er rupture? Does that make the total rupture longer?

[fallow canopy]

pandemic no?

[flint ridge]

Comparing it on whispyrs infograhic, gar snd gar rupture er rupture sbs

[thorny pond]

no, the anima charged rupture will be the same length regardless

[flint ridge]

Let me organize my thoughts:

I was told: gar snd gar sbs rupt er rupt
My brain is so used to: gar snd gar rupt er rupt sbs

Any diff?

[limber lion]

Does not matter, just reduces the rng by using sbs before the er and doesn't waste cp as much

Pretty sure sbs before er is technically very slightly better, but honestly does not matter

just keep doing what you did before

Just wastes a few cp if you vanish before dm there

but doesn't really matter

If you do rup - er - rup - vanish - gar - exsang - dm you'll be at 3cp after the gar and 5cp after the dm

if you use sbs after the rup, you're effectively wasting the 2 cp deathmark would generate because you'll be at 4-5cp after the garrote.

[thorn fjord]

Makes sense

[limber lion]

And let me just preface it after the fact (lulz) with this

Deathmark generates 2cp if you use it during the Shrouded Suffocation window, because DM applies a garrote which gives the 2 cp. In case it didn't make sense why dm was generating cp.

[vague widget]

I hate myself for never even considering that.

[limber lion]

but literally nothing matters

[flint ridge]

Ah. So you are saying that if i put sbs after vanish garrote,.i might miss the two cp from dm? Makes sense. I sometimes dont get it. I sometimes do

[limber lion]

doesn't matter where you use the 2 cp, it's effectively wasted anyways. before rup even though you reapply it right after, doesn't really matter, just gets the sbs up and running earlier I guess pog?

[limber lion]

wut

sbs after vanish garrote?

yeah you don't wanna do that ever

maybe you meant after er rup

[flint ridge]

Sorry after er rup

[thorn fjord]

When I would gar snd gar rup er pb rup sbs van gar exsang Dm I would always get the extra 2 cp

[limber lion]

Yeh

[flint ridge]

Haha all these acronyms breaking my brain

[limber lion]

You're gonna end up wasting 2 cp anyways so kinda really doesn't matter

[flint ridge]

True

[thorn fjord]

So then the only thing I would need to change is the PB placement

[limber lion]

Yeh you always do

[thorn fjord]

Putting it between exsang dm

[limber lion]

I mean you do

but you don't

Because with that opener, you're already at 5 cp after the garrote

because you sbs after the second rupture

So the cp generated by the dm is wasted

But ye literally none of it matters

[thorn fjord]

Gotcha I’ll sbs after the first rup

[limber lion]

After first rup?

nono

before first rup or after second rup

those are the only 2 spots

So either Gar Slice Gar Sbs Rup

Or Gar Slice Gar Rup ER Rup SbS

[ebon notch]

rup gar rup sectec rup gar sas rup

[flint ridge]

Do we pandemic the exsang'd rupture or let it lapse like gar?

[thorn fjord]

Got it @limber lion

[storm belfry]

Me when I wake up

[limber lion]

Let it drop.

[frozen jasper]

did anybody else get all their macros reset from the patch?

[storm belfry]

I know someone who’s action bars reset

[thorn fjord]

Lock lost all his WAs but don’t think the patch did that

[royal lantern]

my plater profile got a full reset

[languid pier]

is the new ring worth for us?

i been looking at the procs but wasn't so huge

[thorn fjord]

Yes

[tacit otter]

#tc-research

[spice spire]

#tc-research message

More exact

[pseudo hamlet]

So the same stones in the ring for both M+ and ST? Cool

[alpine garden]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/NJfpDLVQYG4FBnr9#fight=last&type=damage-done

if someone is interested in terros with the ring

[royal wraith]

Everyone else's sims coming back with haste as their best secondary stat?

[near valley]

Another Whispyr classic on that wowhead post

[royal wraith]

which post?

[near valley]

The latest one about tier set

[royal wraith]

Latest one in wowheadnews?

[storm onyx]

o, its out?

[near valley]

Indeed

[autumn frost]

Just finished reading it.

He was doing his best not to doom and gloom it

[shrewd night]

Let me just shit on the current visionbehind rogues for 9 paragraphs. BUT IM ENDING ON A POSITIVE NOTE, ONE OF OUR TALENTS WENT TO TWO POINTS LAST TIME WE GOT CHANGED.

[autumn frost]

LOL.

Yup.

[viscid spear]

At least yours didn't end with a reminder that there's a dead talent at the bottom of the tree

[autumn frost]

Uh...

Did you read what he said about arterial precision?

[runic hinge]

Not KB and AP lol

[autumn frost]

Or kingsbane?

[silk bane]

dude i love wholesome positive whispyr. we can learn so much from his positivity

[viscid spear]

It's more of a meme

[marble hemlock]

that does not read

positive

man was grasping for straws, i can read the pain

[storm forum]

i cant believe he didnt just call for a hit on the rogue dev

[runic hinge]

An assassination of the rogue dev?

[marble hemlock]

probably cause it may or may not have anything to do with the people designing/balancing rogue, and more of an issue of "hold off on those changes until X"

[storm belfry]

Yeah it was a very good read

[agile fossil]

10/10 would read again

[silk bane]

i mean, with the current stage of the spec theres nothing but pain. but atleast hes tryting to remain hopeful towards future which I admire

[near valley]

Certified Hood Classic @balmy condor

[marble hemlock]

cant get any worse, yeah

😄

[agile fossil]

they could bug another rogue talent and make us do even less dmg dont speak too soon

[marble hemlock]

so the hope is that the most recent changes that were supposed to be the foundation for further change, will finally be expanded on

"recent"

[silk bane]

would be nice if we could hear from realz but I dont think he can comment on anything so its just blind leading the blind. eh guess only time will tell

[near valley]

you could feel him holding back

was only using 10% of his power

[tacit otter]

are the guide writers "forced" to not only dunk on these tier sets and have to say something nice? because like seli said, hes grasping for straws

[silk bane]

I think you just cant lash out and roast the set. but youre free to share your opinion politely as long as its made towards the tier set and its implications rather than the devs developing it

[storm belfry]

Would imagine has to be constructive feed back

Nothing like the comments made in here

[tacit otter]

ye true, if you only hate it probably loses authenticity

[tacit otter]

there was constructive feedback, when changes launches sometimes. but weeks in theres none of that left^^

[balmy condor]

Ty :)

[echo cargo]

Next time you write, go fire and brimstone, babe

[balmy condor]

We are not, I could’ve gone way harder. Obviously can’t swear in it but if I wanted to I could’ve just gone in and obliterated it

[tacit otter]

i think the wording was quite nice and appropriate:) well done

[balmy condor]

The first draft actually did just snap it like a twig

But uh

Couple rewrites later

[brazen zodiac]

can we see first draft

[spice spire]

I could hear the rewrites

[brazen zodiac]

i wanna see how u rly feel whisp

[tacit otter]

you'll have to go to church if you read that

[spice spire]

“I’m going to be optimistic”

[balmy condor]

They’re gone

[brazen zodiac]

[silk bane]

SHOW US THE RAGE LL

jkjk but yeah very nice read

very hopeful and wholesome

[graceful swallow]

what you guys think of season 2 tier set vs current

[near valley]

😄

[royal lantern]

whisp, where is the ANGER

the RAGE

the DOOMING

[tacit otter]

if i could, i would keep the current

[balmy condor]

The one sentence I remember where I was like “woooo can’t say that in a wowhead post” was

“Even just conceptually, this tier piece shows a completely failure in understanding the fundamental issues plaguing the spec for over a decade, almost to an insulting degree”

That one got scrubbed

Real quick

[olive wagon]

Damn i notice quite some difference in damage from 2 weeks ago 😦 . at least compared to my guildies

[empty dawn]

[royal lantern]

everyone got buffs except you 🙂

sorry i mean: rogue op, you just bad, skill issue

[graceful swallow]

i was maining SV hunter but after seeing next season's tier set

had to go back to rogue

just worried same thing maybe

but it looks respectable

[balmy condor]

Idk if this is the channel to be hyped about 10.1 tier

[silk bane]

while I can see why this didnt make it in there, I think most of us feel the same. wish we could actually get you to sit down with realz and talk a little openly on why things are the way they are and why they cant fix certain (very clear) issues. but unfortunately I doubt thatll happen

[balmy condor]

Considering that assassinations is dogshit

[royal lantern]

the 2set is litearlly the current 4 set but worse

the 4 set is a desing failure

[graceful swallow]

but is it as bad as Sv hunters

[balmy condor]

Yeah but idk, the whole felt like dog piling

It’s not like I wasn’t negative anywhere else for the other 1700 words in the review

I didn’t really see a reason to purposely just shit down blizzards throat like that

[versed mica]

"on a positive note, one of our 3 point talents are now 2 points. Shits bussin!" -whispyr (real)

[royal lantern]

whisp has stronger mental than all of us

i mean, ofc, otherwhise he would not manage this backwater channel

[storm belfry]

What. They are blasting rn

[graceful swallow]

im not comparing assassination season 2 tier set to SV season 1 tier set

pretty pointless to do so

[royal lantern]

assa season 2 tierset is bad

simple as that

[graceful swallow]

what im intending to ask is for those that think assassination season 2 set is worse than season 1, is it as much of a drop off for assassination as SV hunter's drop off is between season 1 and 2

[balmy condor]

It’s so much worse

Just design wise

The 2 piece is a copy paste 4 piece

And the 4 piece is…. Something

[silk bane]

nope the 2 pc doesnt have garrote in it. so u litearlly lose single target form it and the aoe also you have lower burst/peak but like the same sustained? LMFA

[steel sorrel]

My guild have started to say: change from assa dude.. Cant just blizz fkn do something good instead? jesus

[graceful swallow]

why not give it something that reduces exsanguine cd or something

[dense herald]

Bro, who the hell likes getting bonus damage AFTER the cd?
Who wants to plan 16s ahead into the future for it to kick in?
Another thing they’ve done recently that I also hate is how they put so much power into destro locks incinerate to the point where it out damaged chaos bolt
Just strange design decisions that don’t feel good in practice

[silk bane]

i mean sin has a very noticable issue which is, it does okay during prog when execute is long and timers kind of make sense, but then in farm u got terros dying in 4 minutes wiht like barely any execute and awful kill timing.

so they decided we give the spec some damage outside of cooldowns, and this was their solution i guess to dealing with awkward kill timers?

idk mant he more i think about it the worst this thing gets

[winged quail]

tierset to buff farm parses

[silk bane]

i mean yeah sin got hard nerfed super early into the tier so idk where it would be now if it didnt get so many nerfs, but from what i remember the nerfs were like what 8% maybe? spec still would be dogshit on farm

[balmy condor]

Because exsanguinate fucking blows too aint nobody want to play that shit

Announcing that you’re gonna change a talent and then making the next tier set directly buff it is also just an insane move

[tardy lance]

I’d imagine it’s been asked a millions times already, but is a maxed out Annulet ring bis or N?

[balmy condor]

Pins

[graceful swallow]

true

should never have been put at 3 min cd imo

so dumb

[winter rock]

Brotherse, i need help, a guildie on mine is telling me we have a 1 sec gcd that cant be modified with Lust / haste

[agile fossil]

fuck exanguinate , make ct spread bleeds to other targets

[silk bane]

like the spec needs to do like 10% more damage to even be included in the top 5 right now (ignoring lock bugs)

[winter rock]

am i actually just imagining having a shorter gcd with lust?

[balmy condor]

Coreect

[balmy condor]

Yes, take your schizo meds

[winter rock]

thats insane, i mean im not maining rogue, but ive ran a couple keys on mine and was mindblown

[winged quail]

wait our GCD isn't affected by lust? The fuck?

[winter rock]

ty for clarifying

looking for a doctor as we speak i guess

[balmy condor]

Nope

[winged quail]

Outlaw 0.5s GCD master race

[raven knoll]

I dont believe you

[winged quail]

but like

why?

[marble hemlock]

detection is

because our GCD is 1sec baseline

while other classes have theirs at 1.5 but scaled with haste

[tardy lance]

Ah, my net is shit rn and barely loads anything so was hoping for a quick N or Y because I won’t be home for a while

[winged quail]

slight upgrade ST not for AoE

basically

[storm belfry]

I thought it was both

From what I saw posted this morning.

[winged quail]

idk i just look pin

[rigid tartan]

you can randomly loot the same stone twice in vault? what good does that do? is that just unluck? :S

[exotic hearth]

You can destroy them for upgrade mats

[balmy condor]

It’s both for the crazy combo

But that specific interaction is causing it to be like 2% better than every other combination

Which is really whack

So I’m gonna say bugged

And not jebait people

[ornate raptor]

so you just waiting for an update to the ring?

[balmy condor]

I’m waiting for blizzard to say that the combo is bugged

[ornate raptor]

right now , i haven't upgraded anything

sitting and waiting :p

[vestal wren]

you could technically argue that its not a bug

but given the impact and how it seems not intended, just refer to it like you will

[balmy condor]

The pinned ones are safe to upgrade

I that’s why I did it like that

[outer lodge]

Desirous Blood/Humming/twilight is showing 2700dps increase, but I know soon as I upgrade its gonna get hotfixed

[vestal wren]

at least it kinda achives their goal of making the ring good for more classes/specs

[royal lantern]

be the hero we need

upgrade it

[outer lodge]

im just gonna send it

[royal lantern]

make the sacrifice, you will be rememberd

[ornate raptor]

there is no way we can swap gems in raidbots right

[balmy condor]

Only simmable in advanced

[vestal wren]

you can just run the gem combination in advanced

[storm belfry]

Ty for clarifying

[subtle tundra]

peenis

[storm belfry]

Qt

[gusty mirage]

we did it boys

[vestal wren]

i did put a text file for it in #tc-research
reference:
#tc-research message

[spice spire]

Concern

[vestal wren]

nice, gz

[thorn fjord]

@gusty mirage jpc has a 440 IL ring gotta get to it

[storm belfry]

Is that in game

Cause if armory it’s bugged

AFAIK

[gusty mirage]

ok

[thorn fjord]

It’s ok I suck don’t listen to anything I’ve got to say

[storm belfry]

Bro you are a legend

[thorn fjord]

People are crazy

[storm belfry]

Yeah I think armory is bugged tho no?

[thorn fjord]

No clue just posting shit from guild general

Real talk tho @gusty mirage now that you’re active again can we smash some keys?

https://tenor.com/view/puppy-dog-eyes-please-puss-in-boots-cat-gif-14834997

[royal lantern]

oxi is active?

i thought he quit after raza lol

[thorn fjord]

Nah he’s been revitalized

[gusty mirage]

yes it is

max ilvl is 424

this is mine

[storm belfry]

[thorn fjord]

Curved

[gusty mirage]

I don't do keys

[royal lantern]

based

[storm belfry]

[brazen zodiac]

nice ring oxi

[balmy condor]

[solemn oracle]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[spice spire]

Black v neck does

[gusty mirage]

bruh

[subtle tundra]

i am giving up no changes again

[silk bane]

eyo new 10.1 ptr patch notes

just huge

https://www.wowhead.com/news/patch-10-1-ptr-development-notes-for-march-22nd-class-tuning-tier-set-changes-332065?webhook

[spice spire]

0 notes

No bitches

[pastel onyx]

back to hibernation

[silk bane]

ngl wasnt even mad when i saw this. I feel like its an inside joke at this point

[copper hazel]

Ion has this discord open, popping skittles in his mouth, chuckling along

[twilit hollow]

Just reroll warlock

[storm belfry]

Man idk why I got excited

That really means I’m locked into rogue now

[twilit hollow]

Clearly it's what they want

[storm belfry]

I will now share the pain w you guys

[spice spire]

[pastel onyx]

[gusty mirage]

hi mal

[brazen zodiac]

ok oci

oxi

[twilit hollow]

Hi oxi

[spice spire]

Oci

[brazen zodiac]

ima go try to make the ring u crafted in 2 hours

[twilit hollow]

Hru cutie

[brazen zodiac]

wish me luck i got 8 keys

[spice spire]

Gl

[storm belfry]

I just found out you can send keys from Alts

[brazen zodiac]

already got the blood dath stone or w/e

[storm belfry]

I have 4 Alts ready to get keys

Ima just mail em all to my rogue

[brazen zodiac]

wait are the doors like different for everyone

[winged quail]

0 changes because we are all perfect

[storm belfry]

I think I actually got 2/3 bis stones from the first 6 keys tho

[pastel onyx]

same

[storm belfry]

I’d have to double check

[pastel onyx]

except twilight

[echo heath]

Can we just make this channel about ramen noodles?

[pastel onyx]

https://tenor.com/view/stoned-cat-stoned-cat-funny-huh-gif-19222132

[wispy ember]

WTF 24 dps upgrade on 424 ring?

vs 431 diurna ring

[storm belfry]

KEKL

[gaunt moat]

you got the right gems?

[wispy ember]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/iN5XvMviump5W72qWp4zws

[gaunt moat]

that's comparing a cloak 🤔

[wispy ember]

mb

wrong sim

[gaunt moat]

so, those are not the best gems right now

[cyan wharf]

Is there any info about the ring possibly interacting with talents btw?

[wispy ember]

which one?

[gaunt moat]

check the pin or #tc-research for recommended gems

[spice spire]

#tc-research message

[near valley]

Ass bufs

[storm belfry]

Why do you hurt me

[gaunt moat]

I killed brood today. you know to how many other parses did it compare me?

wanna take a guess?

[balmy condor]

After they wiped all of yesterdays logs

Probably like 2

[gaunt moat]

not too far, 33

[near valley]

misery loves company

[balmy condor]

Oh thats actually pretty good

[gaunt moat]

That's the only way i'm getting a log above 80. gotta delete everyone else.

[restive spire]

is there a way to sim the annulet? if i did go get it would it replace 421 eranog ring or 421 signet

[gaunt moat]

only one competing against less parses was the arcane mage, at 16

[woeful meteor]

Im just interested how my logs are gonna look tomorrow

[gaunt moat]

Yes. in gear compare, choose the onyx annulet.
set it's ilvl to desired lvl, and select gems.

[balmy condor]

Replace signet

And it’s a minor gain in single target

[rigid tartan]

For me even the 411 unupgraded highest simming combo with prophetic stone is like 1.7k upgrade to 418 crit/mast or 415 signet. Other ring is eranog m

[hallow token]

Fave quote from the review of the season 2 set for assassination: "That leaves us with the question of what the point is." And I appreciate the difficulty of needing to take an important opportunity to call out some of the various design issues and their effects on assassination rogues, and balance that with somehow finding a way to say anything even remotely positive when so many players are not really feeling that way. We do deserve some baseline tuning. The new tier set bonuses don't seem to show a great understanding of what we need or of the gameplay we prefer. We have not been given much reason for any real optimism or hope that that is likely to happen anytime soon. But we are hanging on.

[balmy condor]

Yes, the prophetic stone is a crazy strong and probably bugged combo

[near valley]

thhat thing is getting hotfixed nerfed

[uncut echo]

Do you have proof

[copper hazel]

sounds like more dooming

[thorn fjord]

Damn when did they wipe logs

[uncut echo]

Bc warlocks

[balmy condor]

Like 5 hours ago

[uncut echo]

your shitty night was invalidated

:)

[copper hazel]

after locks got their hand slapped

[thorn fjord]

I figured it was cause of the locks

[formal ore]

if it get fixed do we go back to ring being shit to us or nah ?

[balmy condor]

Pins

[copper hazel]

tier set is on ptr, if anyone wants to go sit in their feels and test its mid-ness

[lament pawn]

pog

[spice spire]

Buddy if I wanted to test mid, I’d just be introspective

[viscid spear]

The 19th century, mostly

[lament pawn]

tmrw with testing we pump

[copper hazel]

Quake man, you so hard on yourself 😦

[storm belfry]

[spice spire]

It’s literally my shtick haha (it’s not a shtick)

[copper hazel]

[gusty mirage]

[spice spire]

Brother tf u simming

[gusty mirage]

gems

[copper hazel]

[spice spire]

[gusty mirage]

might have to do a lil switcheroo

cause uh

[spice spire]

Mfs simming all the gems

[gusty mirage]

w/ buzzing

I'm at like

38% crit now

so swapping primalist gem might be worth

[spice spire]

That’s so little

[gusty mirage]

mastery kinda high

losing cos ring

lotta crit and haste lost

[viscid spear]

Mfs simming his entire raid team to justify why he should receive PI

[spice spire]

Brubby I legit gave a novel on why I never want PI

[gusty mirage]

it was like ~300 dps

to 'optimize' gems before this piece of shit ring

so we'll see what happens

[viscid spear]

Yeah but that's you

[steel sorrel]

We killed M brood today as a first im 416 ilvl, 2 parses before me xD ezi 100 ilvl parse hahahha

[strange python]

Dormant fragments genuinely seem annoying to get

[winged quail]

meh filled 2 rings to max ilvl in one day don't think it's so bad tbh

[thorn fjord]

Gonna start working on my ring shortly

Then gonna run heroic to try and feel better about myself

[strange python]

Trying to not smash my gems so I can just loot them all instead of getting duplicates through the gamble

[bitter aurora]

You will still get duplicates

Just smash them

[thorn fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/suh-smash-smash-gif-15155688

[strange python]

That's cringe

[thorn fjord]

If you haven’t yet, you should watch the documentary on that guy

Pretty interesting lol

[winged quail]

that shit was crazy

[thorn fjord]

Definitely was

Think they’re still trying to get him out of prison

[winged quail]

yeah don't think that's gonna happen anytime soon

[thorn fjord]

Yeah he should def rot in there

[storm belfry]

You are a blaster

[gaunt moat]

can't lose if there's no competition

[storm belfry]

Just sent 12 keys to my rogue

Let’s gamble

[thorn fjord]

I appreciate you @storm belfry lol

[thorn fjord]

So you just do the intro shit on an alt and mail them to main?

[storm belfry]

Yeah

You literally do “skip this I’ve seen it before”

Two times

[thorn fjord]

Oh shit lol

[storm belfry]

Then go save jeb

[brazen zodiac]

wait

[storm belfry]

And then get the quest for vault. And the get the quest for the keys. Get the keys then summon mailbox

[brazen zodiac]

is it really that fast

[storm belfry]

And mail em

Yes

It is

Took me like 7 minutes

[thorn fjord]

That’s legit Ty

[storm belfry]

I can still get them from my lock too

[uncut echo]

I can get keys on my dh, and mail to my rogue

fr

[thorn fjord]

Looks like it

[brazen zodiac]

ok so talk to dragon on big tall building, hit skip, teleport to dragon place, save jeb, mission complete?

lets GOOOO

[storm belfry]

Yes go to top of the building. Click skip. Then talk to that guy in front of you after you teleport then skip

Do one quest

And that’s it

[brazen zodiac]

epic

thanks blizz i think

i killed a rare and it dropped 2

ez

i always get spooked when i see the skip all rewards but

idk what u got from the questline here

oh my god

no way LMAO

i see so when u said it took u 7 minutes u meant 7 minutes on all ur toons lmfaoo so freaking fast

[velvet ridge]

?????? really? not a single rogue change

[oblique jackal]

give it time

dont lose faith!

[oak sky]

They change other tier sets

Of course

[runic hinge]

The complete radio silence and lack of any changes is kinda wild.

[oak sky]

(Its not)

[gusty mirage]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/kyLrBvaDjvuCme1R5krRDv

[oak sky]

I would fuck your gear tbh

[gusty mirage]

1200 dps

replacing gems

[hexed basin]

How tf are rogues still unchanged????

[fossil garnet]

I got omega baited by the wowhead post with the rogue in the picture smh

[storm belfry]

hot

[winter gale]

3x 411 gems makes ring which ilvl?

[formal ore]

411

[oak tangle]

lol we even got skipped for any tier adjustments

hard not to doom when ignored like this

[flint tusk]

Yeh they just haven’t got a clue what to do to fix the shit show they’re designed for us into.

Especially after they killed off kingsbane so brutally and just ignored it. When the two specs builds were fine!

[tall atlas]

Shorter cool down on exsang would be good

If it was 2 mins it would solve a lot

A whole extra cast of it on most fights with other cds would be good

[silk bane]

why do people keep bringing up exsang bro nuke that shit out of existance

[balmy condor]

What is that supposed to do

[cursive frost]

Change the 4 piece to when casting DM, and change 2 set to all bleeds

[tall atlas]

I dunno more damage

😦

[balmy condor]

Impressive

[tall atlas]

I’ve solved the problem

[gaunt moat]

It would align with DM for a start
but that's not the biggest issue

[balmy condor]

One of the thinkers of all time

[cursive frost]

Like I read whispyr comments on wowhead

[silk bane]

so impressive blizz should hire this guy to design tiersets

[tall atlas]

Okay let’s not bully armin you’re names after the cuck in an anime so

I think you should take a seat petal

[silk bane]

atleast that dude has brain cells.

[tall atlas]

That’s true

I bet his dick is huge in Titan form

[oak tangle]

i think whispyr said a 1 min decrease in exsang cd means it need to be only 20% faster expiration to be equal

[gaunt moat]

Bring back original exsang. 45s CD, 400% faster tick rate 🤓

[cursive frost]

Lol

45 second cd on exsang was so clunky

[gaunt moat]

it lasted at 400% for like 3 weeks before it got nerfed.

[flint tusk]

Good times

[gaunt moat]

The thing is, it was actually fun when it was 400%, because you could see the impact.
Now it's shit. it does work, but it's shit.

[gusty mirage]

It synced with every echoing reprimand

How is that clunky

You got a juiced rupture for every exsang

[cursive frost]

The maintenance associated with it before and after tick out is just clunky

[oak tangle]

why

[cursive frost]

Having to do it once every 3 mins is nbd, but every 45 was just tiresome

[thin gate]

guys i have a question about the upcomming tier set

the 4 set bonus says, it increases "your damage" not "Your damage against that target"

so, deathmark expires = 40% DPS boosT?

[oak sky]

nature damage

just a nature damage boost

[thin gate]

but against all targets?

[oak sky]

so the bonus damage from the 2p, envenom, poisons

and then poison bomb, sepsis, kb, vv

[thin gate]

i know that, but is the formulation right?

[oak sky]

yes

[thin gate]

does it increase MY damage

[oak sky]

against all targets

[thin gate]

or the damage i deal against the target i deathmarked

[oak tangle]

it works out to roughly 4% increase in st, don't be baited by the number 40

[thin gate]

ah okay, ty.

[oak sky]

if it wasnt against all targets it would just be useless for aoe

like completely

[thin gate]

idk, thought blizzard is gonna be like " well u got CT, you dont need more AOE as assa rogue "

[oak tangle]

kinda what it's looking like atm

[balmy condor]

Is that xae guy back

[thin gate]

but wait, wouldnt that mean, that exsang on deathmark would bring value in M+?

[balmy condor]

Unlikely

But it could

[thin gate]

like when we open up from stealth and IC then deathmark and exsang the main target

[balmy condor]

For raw aoe

[thin gate]

yeh just for clearing

[gaunt moat]

That would be a cursed timeline

Whispyr, i hope wahtever you wrote on the sets gonna make some impact. seems like they're reading.

[oak tangle]

they wanted us to exsang dm all along, and we broke their expectations by dm'ing the exsang

[balmy condor]

I think ER->Rup carnage is long enough to keep exsanging deathmark out of question

But dunno

[cursive frost]

Whispyr just needs to go to HQ and chain to a devs desk

[oak sky]

i volunteer

[balmy condor]

They always keep reading and listening

It’s a question of if they do something with all the listening