Yeah I’m about to log in and do 2m on tree room
#assassination
rigid tartan
assa buff when, we need our niche in execute back or atleast do equal execute to arms :/
gusty mirage
All of it is
gray crest
if only they would fix rogue bugs
gusty mirage
The entire class is bugged
gusty mirage
And they’re just shitting out damage
storm belfry
“Just send it bud, we did all we can”
Yeah I mean they already did good AOE imo (well not aff really) but this made me want to log into my lock and just go blast a key
Lmfao
storm belfry
Oh yeah
gusty mirage
They spent all their dev time for rogue in SL beta nerfing sub
storm belfry
It’s free at this point
dawn pollen
Its worse than my 421 jeweled sigent of melandrus
gusty mirage
Why are you using the pastel gem
grim jay
Are people pushing keys rn with warlock with them bugged
I'd change raid setup if we had more WLs
gusty mirage
grim jay
storm belfry
Why are you using the pastel gem
It’s a nice aesthetic
sweet dawn
Vault loved me today
dawn pollen
Why are you using the pastel gem
because it says that on wowhead post whispyr made
storm belfry
Grats loon
gusty mirage
because it says that on wowhead post whispyr made
Oh sweet child
The gem was bugged and got hotfixed yesterday
It’s kinda doo doo now
dawn pollen
what to use instead of that then
grim jay
I mean, why would you get news at the source (in the pins etc), if you can get them on posts that may be outdated
storm belfry
gusty mirage
And if they fix that interaction it would be the set up in the pins (desirous blood/frozen/humming)
Ideally right now
You get every damage gem and keep those on hand as well
Cause they intend on making the ring bis for everyone
So they may buff them again
For no reason
uncut echo
grim jay
They might not change interaction anyways 😁
gaunt moat
Dang, I disenchanted my prophetic gem, now i'm outta keys
gusty mirage
Except echoing thunder or whatever it’s called
tacit otter
Dang, I disenchanted my prophetic gem, now i'm outta keys
just log on an alt and get more^^
gusty mirage
Throw that piece of shit in the garbage
gusty mirage
just log on an alt and get more^^
What do I do if already opened up every door?
gaunt moat
just log on an alt and get more^^
that would be really nice if i had a lvl 70 alt 🥲
gusty mirage
tacit otter
What do I do if already opened up every door?
respectable, i just got 80 of the currency to upgrade the 4 potential gems and called it
storm belfry
More than I did
violet jackal
What do I do if already opened up every door?
Farm more keys and wait till next week
vestal wren
And if they fix that interaction it would be the set up in the pins (desirous bl...
the message also links to the sims without twilight, so should be easy to fall back if they fix
gusty mirage
Ya
Twilight set up in tc research, fall back in pins in here
Go out and open some doors
And if anyone figures out the runic ward chest in there lmk
Cause I’m pretty sure it’s bugged
storm belfry
I have a buddy in druid disc asking if anyone has done that lmao
I think it’s the same one. Sec
tacit otter
which one? theres one with 4 above the chest to click
gusty mirage
Ya
tacit otter
and the candy crush things right?
gusty mirage
Ya I got the candy crush ones
tacit otter
the one with the 4 above i just had to click it in the right order
gusty mirage
Yep that one
tacit otter
and it opened up
storm belfry
Good luck
earnest remnant
i got all the "bis" ones instantly
vault was shit
but atleast we got good gem rng iguess
tacit otter
you can just buy the shadow thingy, isnt it a 1/2 chance?
storm belfry
vault was shit
You are insanely geared tho ofc your vault is the poop
storm belfry
What are you after
storm belfry
Oh I thought you had both daggers
Oops!
Next week for sure you will get one of those three 
spice spire
spice spire
Man is juiced
fossil garnet
Im dooming and not upgrading any gem until friday at earliest
tacit otter
i upgraded like 4 fully and still have currency + all dps gems left
you have more than enough of the currency
earnest remnant
<a:AINTNOWAY:1050211099158511626>
gusty mirage
you can just buy the shadow thingy, isnt it a 1/2 chance?
Idk man, I got 8 of the move speed wind one in a row
fossil garnet
hmm sure
gusty mirage
subtle tundra
Ban this guy
tacit otter
Idk man, I got 8 of the move speed wind one in a row
i had 3 total haha, but had to buy the twilight one from vendor
subtle tundra
I did have a leech eon in sl though...
gusty mirage
Ban this guy
I can’t, he’s my online boyfriend
earnest remnant
i have CCT with avoidance in my vault
spice spire
OKAY DUDE
earnest remnant
any takers?
subtle tundra
No thanks
(it means fuck you in Romanian)
Why is this guy in socks at the gym
Doing leg day in socks
🤨🤨🤨🤨
gusty mirage
any takers?
You or the trinket? Cause dif answers
earnest remnant
tawny bloom
sockets worth to go for today or nah cba I wanna keep my secondaries angle?
gusty mirage
tawny bloom
so barely noticable for us
tawny bloom
Would prolly have to farm it anyway and sim it
tacit otter
consider that its 2.6% ahead of BIS, and i dont think anyone in here is BIS:)
so it'll be even more for your own setup
tawny bloom
ye I have 4 items I need to replace. 3 of them being raid items with no reclear anytime soon
grim jay
Its a great hour of content
gusty mirage
I got everything going in under 4 hours and I had absolute dogshit luck on gambaing the gems
Including max ilvl gems
gusty mirage
Its a great hour of content
Opening the doors releases the dopamine
tawny bloom
I won't even touch my pc until in 4hrs 
subtle tundra
4hrs on wow 😭
gusty mirage
Even though you know you’re getting that shit heal gem
tawny bloom
but just for the gamba it might actually be worth
tawny bloom
I do love gamba
gusty mirage
Esp when rolling for gems from the vendor lmao
fallow canopy
omw to upgrade my twilight stone only so it gets nerfed later today
cursive olive
Is there a dedicated channel to get advices or some help ? Trying to improve my parse in raid, but I don’t know what I’m doing wrong
prisma monolithBOT
Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage
Link: https://wowanalyzer.com/
spice spire
If you’re not seeing much you can ping a CF or oxi/whispyr to start you a thread and we can comb over it
fossil garnet
so what gems except for the 3 listed in the pin do I upgrade? :)
cursive olive
Thx I’ll start with wowanalyser 🙂
fossil garnet
any bonkers?
tacit otter
#tc-research has the info
grim jay
so what gems except for the 3 listed in the pin do I upgrade? :)
There are 5 in the pin
gusty mirage
In b4 blue post: “we see some gems are not performing as well as others so we’re buffing certain ones by another 25%”
What a terrible system
grim jay
In b4 blue post: “we see some gems are not performing as well as others so we’re...
So you just spend another 30 mins and get them maxed
😁
gusty mirage
They should be ashamed of themselves tbh
Just another idea that had potential and fumbled
The blizzard special
earnest remnant
@gusty mirage i just deleted my max rank frost gem by accident
i wanna uninstall
earnest remnant
can not
uncut echo
Its okay
Durinf my trial I typed out
"I vendored my grieftorch"
In raidchat
Bc I couldnt find it
royal lantern
open reef
Isnt fire gem + cowl + mythic fire ring up to go?
storm belfry
"I vendored my grieftorch"
grim jay
Is it any good
echo heath
It is a few dps good
orchid spear
Ty man
burnt star
how does one sim the ring? i dont have the option to just add the gem in the top gear section
plain onyx
hey guys, is there any huge dps difference between AP+IC and DTB+IC builds for M+ ?
spice spire
Yeah one absolutely cannot single target in the least
uncut echo
hey guys, is there any huge dps difference between **AP+IC** and **DTB+IC** buil...
Yes
You don't ever take AP
Thats the difference
subtle tundra
One does mediocre st and the other doesn't st 😔 assa moment
uncut echo
Mhm!
plain onyx
i dont care tbh lol, assa is love to me
uncut echo
i dont care tbh lol, assa is love to me
Ye it's a good spec. Just needs a pinch of love rn
orchid spear
So this ring replaces signet of melandrus?
compact wing
!fuu
prisma monolithBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz
orchid spear
So it is shite 🤨
winter gale
Is it an upgrade for ppl that reached max ilvl?
I have 415 cos ring + Eranog ring, if I dont need to swap I would postopone that for weekend 😂
uncut echo
Yes
orchid spear
I have 415 cos ring + Eranog ring, if I dont need to swap I would postopone that...
I am the same
I need to look into it further, I assume it can be upgraded by some means
winter gale
And its how big upgrade for you? (Mine are socketed*)
steel ridge
i think i just lost a stone
uncut echo
I'm not getting bc I refuse to worry about it for a while
winter gale
Oh, yes
fallow canopy
I also had the CoS 415 it was a big upgrade with the interaction of twilight+blood
steel ridge
i just replaced a gem with another gem, does that mean the old gem is gone?!
orchid spear
I also had the CoS 415 it was a big upgrade with the interaction of twilight+blo...
Did you sim?
fallow canopy
winter gale
And time to assemble all parts of it, does it take long?
gusty mirage
Nah
orchid spear
Oh shit, patch or slice
fallow canopy
And time to assemble all parts of it, does it take long?
maybe 2-3 hours if you're unlucky
gusty mirage
With some luck you can get them in a few hours
winter gale
Im a bit burnt from the game after my last weeks raid
fallow canopy
Oh shit, patch or slice
patch
orchid spear
I have some gems already but idk if theyre the ones I want
I might have the blood one
gusty mirage
You can also gamba keys with elemental overflow
orchid spear
So both the gems and the ring may be upgraded?
fossil garnet
You can also gamba keys with elemental overflow
that the vendors?
orchid spear
And they are upgraded by JC?
gusty mirage
And they are upgraded by JC?
Ya work order unstable elementium (I don’t remember the 2nd word exactly)
They can multi craft
So if you know a JCer with multi craft you can save a ton of fragments
orchid spear
I assume they need to be upgraded fully before inserting into the ring?
gusty mirage
You can remove em at any time
orchid spear
Ok
gusty mirage
You get a quest that puts a jewelers kit & anvil in the camp
Run over to it an extra action button pops up
I’ll write a little comprehensive faq in wow gen when I get out of court
storm onyx
Which utility gem would be good for progression apart from blood? Gleaming Iron maybe?
grim jay
Why would you use weird gems aside from the current best setup for dmg
storm onyx
Couse we arent having issues with dmg?
grim jay
You are a dd, you deal damage and your defs n stuff are on the better side. If you need a gem setup for other stuff you might wanna work on mechanics and/or your healers
storm onyx
Thus utility effects matter, we have a survival issue atm
strange python
Are you the one dying? If so, you're doing something wrong in your play.
Gearing for survivability in prog isn't really a thing. You gear for damage and don't sit in bad mechanics.
storm onyx
no, died 3 times all raid day on spider, its not me but any heal off me, would help another
grim jay
You are literally trying to combat a fundamental issue with tiny bits of impact
marble hemlock
is it the actual healing thats the issue on sennarth tho?
strange python
Healing isn't exactly a thing that's targeted at people that much
marble hemlock
or is it just people getting dragged off
strange python
A lot of healing is AoE
storm onyx
we losing ppl here and there, not the pull in
marble hemlock
yeah but
just "heal more" isnt a solution that any healer can work with
cause thats not how healing works (or, ya know, "just take less damage")
its about identifying why people are dying and what couldve prevented that, and a dps playing a more defensive toolkit wouldnt be on the list of solutions unless its that player thats dying
how far do you get in the fight?
strange python
If people are dying to damage on sennarth I'm guessing it's the add living too long or people stacking for the bombs
marble hemlock
like, its an admirable effort to try to be more survivable, but rogue already is
storm onyx
Dono, sometimes I feel like we overlook utilities too much in wow and disregard possibilities. Any encounter is also a survival check too, not just potential dps. Was wondering how much I could lessen stress on healer tbf
strange python
Unless you're standing in something bad, most healing you're getting is gonna be shit like healing rain, efflo, etc. You're getting it regardless
If you really wanna reduce the healing burden you're probably better off pressing feint, pot, and vial more
marble hemlock
Dono, sometimes I feel like we overlook utilities too much in wow and disregard ...
youre absolutely right, and a lot of people underestimate the value in optimizing defensive gameplay on top of offensive one. people need to learn how to utilize their defensive or utility toolkit efficiently and not sit on personal CDs unused for 4+ minutes. but the ring doesnt offer very potent utility or survivability, so its notreally smth you can min-max around
just killing the boss faster should help the healers more than anything else
vague widget
Being a rogue the ring would have no discernable impact on your already high survivability.
thorn fjord
Morning Sinners
We talking defensives?
I’ve seen a lot of people never use feint
That tend to die lol
I’m raid that is
grim tangle
feint is a dps loss.
uncut echo
It is a dps loss
storm onyx
I cried the day CD was put on it
uncut echo
But ya lose more dead
subtle tundra
if i dont proc cheat death, then why have i talented into it?
brazen zodiac
truee
uncut echo
Varas with a god tier take
spice spire
if i dont proc cheat death, then why have i talented into it?
“It’s a cooldown” 
silk bane
I know one day logs are a meme but just for the sake of the fun ... we did it boys, we are officially the giga chadest ST rogue. Sin bis yepge
subtle tundra
pure st fight
dusty sable
bro we are the bis st rogue spec for 6 years 
subtle tundra
middle of the pack
fallow canopy
“It’s a cooldown” <:chadge:997360535186182254>
biggest DPS cooldown we have
gusty mirage
I spoke of this months ago
and was told that I was overreacting
and then I said we'll see what happens when 10.0.7 drops
granted destro and aff are bugged rn
so that's why they're that far ahead
gusty mirage
frost dk and mm hunter were already neck and neck with us
ele was close enough where their buffs would've put them close to us
and I was like just watch
it's gonna happen
silk bane
what i wanna know is how its okay for frost dk to do 250k on council btw
gusty mirage
we're coping with top 4 ST spec
spice spire
and was told that I was overreacting
My honest reaction
gusty mirage
we're 4th now, before all these other specs are getting a shit ton of buffs
silk bane
the rest are yeah... not okay
uncut echo
Ye
gusty mirage
the reason demo isn't as broken
silk bane
ah
uncut echo
But nothing like aff and destr9
gusty mirage
they gain less from direct damage increase to their abilities
uncut echo
Ye
silk bane
all in all as u can see roguye is broken and definately needs to be nerfed
all 3 specs for sure
gusty mirage
sandbag what bro
oak tangle
just 1
gusty mirage
we're middle of the pack
lmfao
there's no need to sandbag shit
we do mediocre damage
subtle tundra
sandbagging means we dont change position
silk bane
spec uscks
uncut echo
On heroic or mythic
oak tangle
hey if we all did 99's we might only be 1k behind 2nd last instead of 5k
silk bane
mythic
gusty mirage
spec uscks
class sucks*
oak tangle
that step from 2nd last to us hits hard
gusty mirage
now the sub rogues can't cope about their aoe damage
with frost dk absolutely shitting on them
welcome to the dooming boys
assassination's kept the seats warm for yall
silk bane
class sucks*
dude, boss died at like 4:40. so pretty much best case possible for me, i was on the boss the entire time. still got beat by like 5 other people (2 bm, 2 aff, arms)
just delete the spec
quasi pine
hey if we all did 99's we might only be 1k behind 2nd last instead of 5k
Wow that's so cool !
silk bane
just go next expansion man
gusty mirage
dude, boss died at like 4:40. so pretty much best case possible for me, i was on...
they're just better players bro
we don't get it
quasi pine
I might get another dose of copium
silk bane
that bow thing was the dumbest thing ive ever seen an actual human come up with
gusty mirage
wanna hear a secret?
Qwik plays a hunter now
there you go
that's all you need to know
uncut echo
I'm going spriest :)
gusty mirage
unfortunate
silk bane
'while this spec is the best Sustained ST spec in the game' its too bow reliant so we are gonna make it even stronger but now less bow reliant so all players can press their 1 button and equally dominate'
gusty mirage
wrong shadow damage class
call me a conspiracy theorist
but Qwik swapped from warrior to outlaw rogue in 9.2.5
silk bane
just get me out man where riot mmo i cant do this anymore
quasi pine
I'm going to be last dps next tier for the whole season, an Idea of what i'll play? 
gusty mirage
and outlaw finally got buffed
after months of rogue TCers saying the baseline is hot ass garbage
then he swapped to hunter
and now hunters the best dps in the game not named warlock
what a fucking coincidence
silk bane
actually based take. ill buy it
like dude last night on eggnog we killed boss at 1:40 i think? i dont remember but i was padding my heart out, barely at 110k. still wasnt even on the meters. the mage just casually at 150k okay bud
gusty mirage
like dude last night on eggnog we killed boss at 1:40 i think? i dont remember b...
our warlock did 138k
playing demo
silk bane
u know what funny? I barely beat our demo last night on eggnog. after the fight he realized he was crafting his boot and forgot to put it on
this man played without feet
and still barely lost
gusty mirage
LMFAO
uncut echo
:)
silk bane
dude look at this dk. their 98 vs a rogues 98 based
i was just looking at top dk charts to see how theyre doing 250k+ on 4 target
fallow canopy
clearly his/her gaming chair is better
verbal flower
would sin / sub end up dropping eranog ring like its looking for outlaw?
i could just be egg brained
thorn fjord
Man I don’t know what’s been going on with my gameplay but I’ve been having such a hard time these last two weeks
I’m ending fights at like 75-76k
gaunt moat
Don't worry, we'll eventually get a 3% buff and that'll be that 
uncut echo
Not true
uncut echo
We'll get a pinch more
gaunt moat
3.1%
verbal flower
aaah
gusty mirage
in dslice ya dropping eggnog ring makes sense
verbal flower
so i was just being 3head
silk bane
i mean why would outlaw drop a crit vers ring with insane on hit effect? just to put on a 424 helm? idk its a little susge
gusty mirage
because nothing outlaw does makes sense
verbal flower
we roll bones and live in peace
gusty mirage
friendly reminder that it was the 1 spec the ring was good for before it got buffed by 25%
silk bane
its now like igga bis for them since their baseline is so garbage lmfao
gusty mirage
rogue class actually in shambles bro
silk bane
u know the rings gonna get more buffs too since they want it to be bis for 'all classes'
gusty mirage
silk bane
this rings gonna be like 15% for outlaw
subtle tundra
silk bane
im just gonna go reroll feral and go afk in goldshire get me otu
white orchid
Just make rogue the only class with 1 spec that way we can all be mad together or happy together
rare jackal
so you guys are telling me i cant raid log cause of this new patch?
gusty mirage
so you guys are telling me i cant raid log cause of this new patch?
you can
if you get bored one day
interact with the new shit
you'll get it done in a few hours
and then go back to raid logging
rare jackal
fair enough
gusty mirage
if you wanna be giga lazy about it
do the intro to the vault on alts
and ship over the 6 keys to your main
knock out the entire vault in like 30-45 minutes
and hope you rng into the gems you need
upgrade to max
and never log in outside of raid again
winter gale
Highest gem ilvls are 411?
limpid ermine
Highest gem ilvls are 411?
no 424
sharp orchid
Have to craft upgrade items from JC
sharp orchid
I’m pretty sure they craft an item and you use it on the specific one you want to upgrade
winter gale
Ty m8!
normal mist
Hoping this will not be a gold sink
gusty mirage
I’m pretty sure they craft an item and you use it on the specific one you want t...
ya
tacit otter
theres a big ping in #wow-general, all the info you need.
thanks to oxi:))
gusty mirage
unstable elementium
costs 10 fragments + 25 silken gemdust
and can multicraft
so pray to rngesus
strange python
playing demo
They're not abusing aff?
brazen zodiac
i didnt think they could mutlicraft
gusty mirage
They're not abusing aff?
it was the first boss of the night
oak tangle
the recipe for it is a guranteed drop from amephyst. but to summon it you need a rare item that drops.
brazen zodiac
good thing those random 20 points in multi will now pay off
gusty mirage
the recipe for it is a guranteed drop from amephyst. but to summon it you need a...
just buy it off the AH for 750k gold
brazen zodiac
yeah and JC craft that item too - but the crafting mat needed to make it is super hard to find
gusty mirage
gusty mirage
oh so it went down in price
brazen zodiac
last night was crazy for jc'ers
oak tangle
was about that on frostmourne too
ionic fox
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/31#sample=1 Holy shit sin is busted
oak tangle
i got a tuning fork on my rogue luckily, so easy recipe for me
brazen zodiac
oh shit congrats lul
gusty mirage
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/31#sample=1 Holy shit sin is busted
insane, looking at a cleave/aoe heavy raid and the rogue spec with terrible aoe is last?
I'm so shocked
strange python
Warlocks went from having one good spec and two meh specs to having three specs more-ahead of the pack than sin ever was.
ionic fox
Well Aff is bugged
strange python
Still
oak tangle
i was also a lad and put up a group for peeps to get a free kill when i summoned it
strange python
Blizzard can't ever let warlocks be bad for a patch
gusty mirage
yeah if assassination woke up yesterday doing 30% more damage because of a bug
maybe you guys wouldn't bitch as often
who knows
green juniper
I dont know what 10.0.7 brang and I dont know what to do just logging on and hopfeully auto quest or something gonna help
echo cargo
Give Kingsbane-Antorus bug, ty
oak tangle
i'd bitch more because they'd use it as an excuse to nerf us then fix the bug
flint tusk
Ruputable in for 2 days or 2 with bad takes it seems
copper hazel
I dont know what 10.0.7 brang and I dont know what to do just logging on and hop...
as a rogue, basically nothing
ionic fox
What's wrong with being sad our favorite spec is doggy
brazen zodiac
you can't discount a bug literally increasing the damage by 30%
ngl i saw u mention it earlier i thought it was a bug but didnt know
thats kinda wild
u cant just ignore that xd
flint tusk
i got a tuning fork on my rogue luckily, so easy recipe for me
Totally not jealous.
Bastard 😂
gusty mirage
ngl i saw u mention it earlier i thought it was a bug but didnt know
one talent gives them 5% haste perma instead of giving their pet 5% attack speed
strange python
My issue is warlocks getting changed in 10.0.7 while sin got ignored. The bug affecting aff doesn't change that they got attention this patch.
gusty mirage
every single talent that increases pet damage
brazen zodiac
dude
brazen zodiac
thats incredible thrall from hearthstone would say
brazen zodiac
surely it gets fixed
green juniper
does devs really checking out those charts
gusty mirage
something something first pass of PTR
gusty mirage
does devs really checking out those charts
did you not see all 3 rogue specs get repeat nerfed for a month straight
because of the heroic charts?
uncut echo
Sure he can
silk bane
they're getting like an extra 30% damage
theyre getting a flat 5% aura + 5% haste buff
uncut echo
Why couldn't he
gusty mirage
am I arguing both sides?
strange python
Acting like it's crazy for people to bitch that sin got ignored but also calling out the heroic nerfs
uncut echo
flint tusk
Oxi apparently you meming about small indie company makes you arguing both sides 🙃
strange python
No.
silk bane
gusty mirage
I responded to him asking if they actually look at the charts
with actual facts
because it was confirmed
they nerfed it based on heroic week performance
brazen zodiac
gusty mirage
but that's apparently "arguing both sides"
again
stick to the numbers champ, I'll handle the words
strange python
Saying people bitch about being ignored but then mocking heroic nerfs is definitely both sides
gusty mirage
given that it's my profession
no
it really isn't
I didn't mock heroic nerfs
I responded with facts
uncut echo
Idk if that's what they did king
strange python
I mean it really is but if you're gonna be in one of those moods I'll just go make breakfast.
brazen zodiac
make sure to stay hydrated!
gusty mirage
Literally every single fucking day someone comes in here
links the WCL stats
and goes "WOW ASSASSINATION IS FINE GUYS"
vs me addressing someone asking if blizzard looks at the charts
with a FACTUAL remark
silk bane
they nerfed it based on heroic week performance
it was the dumbest tuning ive ever seen them do tbh, rogues got handed so much gear because most people doign heroic week 1 were following what RWF people were doing and they saw ooh rogues are good? so they got all gear, and then rogues got nerfed because they were overgeared while being good and now theyre bad and have equal gear. so just awful
ionic fox
Not allowed to say anything in here about our favorite spec not doing well or getting changes. This chat is for hope and optimism only.
gusty mirage
is apparently playing both sides
rain oyster
Low key, I’m excited for CT single target assass return in 10.1. Plz no flame 🙂
gaunt moat
why 
rare jackal
they should rather fix KB smh
gusty mirage
Not allowed to say anything in here about our favorite spec not doing well or ge...
That's also not the case, it's the fact that you guys link the same shit every single day like it was going to magically change overnight
green juniper
vs me addressing someone asking if blizzard looks at the charts
It was legit question I started playing this game 3 months ago why are you yelling me 
gusty mirage
try being a little more original
uncut echo
Not allowed to say anything in here about our favorite spec not doing well or ge...
Fam, its all anyone talks about
gusty mirage
It was legit question I started playing this game 3 months ago why are you yelli...
I'm not yelling at you
you're fine
I'm yelling at mr. sirstabsalot
strange python
Oxi doomed saying the literal same thing for weeks on end but is now annoyed. He's just in a mood it's fine
flint tusk
Yikes take
pulsar dirge
they should rather fix KB smh
They should switch KB with exsaguinate and make it 1 min cd again if they love it so much
gusty mirage
Oxi doomed saying the literal same thing for weeks on end but is now annoyed. He...
for sure bro
brazen zodiac
huh
gaunt moat
Oxi doomed saying the literal same thing for weeks on end but is now annoyed. He...
Dooming privilage
gusty mirage
@gaunt moat don't make me go through the logs
of your repeat bitching
day in and day out
gaunt moat
you bitch just as much
gusty mirage
half of which you delete
rain oyster
Doomers become coomers
gusty mirage
because you're a coward
brazen zodiac
uncut echo
gaunt moat
why are you so aggressive jesus
green juniper
literally just took tokens instead of item in vault I am sad
stuck knoll
!warn @strange python consider this a final warning you literally just argue and cause problems in here the only time I ever hear your name brought up you are arguing
brazen zodiac
literally just took tokens instead of item in vault I am sad
whisypr took primal chaos using his vault tokens yesterday
so based
gusty mirage
!warn <@456226577798135808> consider this a final warning you literally just arg...
no need
honestly
gusty mirage
he's innocent enough
stuck knoll
okay
strange python
I spend most of my time in here literally answering log and spec questions.
uncut echo
That's patently false
gusty mirage
yo grats
uncut echo
You've come after every single person in here
gusty mirage
that's 20 potions from the cauldron
oak tangle
can you explain that pic to me i don't understand the reference to pots from that
silk bane
okay kinda weird question, but does anyone know if spiteful storm resets if you like focus garrote your focus target?
green juniper
can you explain that pic to me i don't understand the reference to pots from tha...
probably crafting elemental potions but I am just assuming
copper hazel
can you explain that pic to me i don't understand the reference to pots from tha...
the pot cauldron needs primal chaos to take pots out
brazen zodiac
and he bought primal chaos from the vendor using vault tokens
gusty mirage
he's full socketed
don't feel bad for him
he has double 424 daggers
and he's full sockets
fuck him
@balmy condor 
oak tangle
i hit 418 flat ilvl this week at least
oak tangle
still only 2 mythic bosses
silk bane
whispyr the dagger whisperer
gusty mirage
how many EoN u get oxi
2 after a month of vaults
the other rogue and I got our EoNs from vault
killed mythic sylv 14 times
dropped on the last kill
we gave it to our shaman for tmog
oak tangle
you reckon we'll get to see whispyr's wowhead take on the tier set tomorrow or are they gonna release rogues opinions last to fit the theme of us being ignored
silk bane
whispyr roasted the tier so hard they had to make him redo it. cant be too mean
flint tusk
you reckon we'll get to see whispyr's wowhead take on the tier set tomorrow or a...
It’s a conspiracy.
Rogue mage cc being nerfed the most in pvp and being both ignore in pve.
🤔
gusty mirage
mage doesn't get to bitch about being ignored in pve
fire and frost were low 80k at the beginning of the tier
now they're both near 100k
thorn fjord
Oxi how do I get out of this rut and stop sucking
unreal bear
i guess cs2 makes me not care about the state of sin at least
brazen zodiac
Oxi how do I get out of this rut and stop sucking
have u tried eating ramen
earnest remnant
fire and frost were low 80k at the beginning of the tier
werent fire at like 68k with their sims in first couple of mythic weeks, untill they got slam dunked buffed third week
then they turned tuning wheel on ignite
and they skyrocketed
gusty mirage
prolly
I don't trust wizard sims
this was the same class that "discovered a small optimization" in 9.0
that gave them 3k dps
oak tangle
ironic most ethical sims from rogues
silk bane
Oxi how do I get out of this rut and stop sucking
look at pictures of whispyr every day when you wake up and before u go to bed. make sure to take the pictures with you in the shower. that way you psychologically manipulate yourself in not letting him down, leading to dps Stonks
formal ore
whats primal chaos cluster ?
gusty mirage
Oxi how do I get out of this rut and stop sucking
idk I'm washed bro
silk bane
oh wait... hes playing sub now. nevermind man youre on your own
gusty mirage
ask stealthi
trail tree
Just blame blizz devs thats what I’m doing
thorn fjord
didn't we all
Even after nerfs
brazen zodiac
whats primal chaos cluster ?
its the stuff u buy from the vendor for vault tokens
givesu primal chaos
green juniper
first rare and mount are they common ?
formal ore
its the stuff u buy from the vendor for vault tokens
holy shit thats sad
formal ore
first rare and mount are they common ?
2° person i see geting it the last hour so it appears so
silk bane
I started this tier off so strong
Lowkey though I think its 'details' effect. like when you see yourself always at the bottom, it does make u feel like your damagae is irrelevant and you just care less and play worse. dont look at details for a while and focus on playing well instead and doing your perfect rotation.
formal ore
but you both might just be lucky af
tacit otter
first rare and mount are they common ?
dropped that aswell, that mfs looks like shit bald ass
storm belfry
first rare and mount are they common ?
What’s it look like
trail tree
Lowkey though I think its 'details' effect. like when you see yourself always at...
I have this when we do broodkeeper I’m just chilling at the bottom of the meters doing the eggs💀
storm belfry
Even after nerfs
You are a legend
green juniper
What’s it look like
trail tree
Because trusting anyone else doing eggs on brood in my guild is a death sentence
storm belfry
Omg what the fuck is that lmfao
oak tangle
the secret is to sort via boss damage only and be content with middle of the pack there
formal ore
oh its the spider man villain
oak tangle
or join a worse guild where you top anyway
formal ore
bro just dont raid and u will always be top 3 in m+
trail tree
High iq
bold lintel
does upgrading prophetic twilight stone buffs anything other than stamina?
oak tangle
a few tank specs would beg to differ
oak tangle
XD
alpine pagoda
oak tangle
my goal this week is to get AV 20 timed, so i can hard swap to preparing spriest for next tier
oak tangle
i knocked a good 3-4 out last week, which was good
green juniper
I love this 385 gear dropping and its account bound I can level an alt now
oak tangle
mistweaver up to 405 and 2100 feels nice with the patches to it
green juniper
may be its time to try real rogue the feral
brazen zodiac
i cant believe how hard it is to get the mount from the dirt pile/expedition packs
brazen zodiac
looks cool
fleet coral
What is the best gems for assasins
green juniper
is elemental overflows are accountwide or soul?
gusty mirage
per character
gusty mirage
What is the best gems for assasins
they're in #tc-research
fuu compiled them
the ones in pins are the fall back gems if they nerf the interaction
strange python
the ring youd replace the CoS ring right, def not the eranogg ring?
hollow dirge
the ring youd replace the CoS ring right, def not the eranogg ring?
I tried to sim instead of eranog ring, and replace cowl in the gear compare, add dagger with bronze grip instead of helm, and it was like 900dps lower for me at 424 onyx annulet, while replacing 415 melandrus ring was 800 dps gain
strange python
cool thx
dusty sable
did anyone tried twilight over freeze
strange python
does anyone know the gem ids for the ones whispyr says in the pin
/ how to adjust their ilvl
turbid sandal
How do you guys open on Sennarth?
strange python
i did regular opener - exsang on big add
first exsang on boss
but def not optimal lol
turbid sandal
well big add needs some love
strange python
tell your group to get better 4head
turbid sandal
heh
strange python
from experience, with a group that had a bit worse add damage, i did what i said above then just cycled normally
but that was prog and now i dont care about that stupid spider
dark token
No, a known talent check on first dance which auto switches gloomblade or Shadowstrike as ur first global
So rota stays the same between builds
storm belfry
fuck the adds
Based as hell
storm onyx
How do you guys open on Sennarth?
1st add dies so fast, I dont even touch it. Just oppening on the boss normal. I do swap on the others.
thick sail
@uncut echo why can't they "just remove" Exsanguinate? They're the devs, they can do literally whatever they want.
thick sail
The talent is dogshit and doesn't feel good to use because the cooldown is awful
thick sail
Even when the cooldown wasn't awful, it wasn't a super fun talent (IMO)
royal lantern
Because community outlash
i really think you are just 100% wrong in that case lol
thick sail
Just remove it and add something interesting and fun to use
uncut echo
But remember your opinion is just that; yours
royal lantern
like, except 1-2 idiots that cry on the forum, nobody ever speaks positively about exsang lol
uncut echo
They held on to surrender to madness for YEARS.
uncut echo
like, except 1-2 idiots that cry on the forum, nobody ever speaks positively abo...
No one liked S2M either
It lasted 4 years
thick sail
I also want them to move Shrouded Suffocation to a better spot, it's in a terrible spot in the tree
uncut echo
No sorry, 6
royal lantern
saying "community backlash, some people like it" is a bit stupid, cus thats an argument you can use for litearlly everything
royal lantern
S2M is different
uncut echo
WELCOME TO OUR SHITTY LITTLE LIVES
royal lantern
cus it was just not played
uncut echo
No it isn't
thick sail
Not Shrouded Suffocation
royal lantern
exsang is played
thick sail
What's it called, the silence node
uncut echo
Exsang was not played when it poorly tuned
royal lantern
yes, and S2M never saw play cus its always tuned bad
uncut echo
Because the one time it was good, it was obsenely busted and promoted counterintuitive gameplay
thick sail
Can I just say something from a class comparison perspective
uncut echo
Us playing exsang rn is about our dogshit talents more than the tuning of the spell
thick sail
My girlfriend plays a prot pally. Now, granted, they just got a rework. But
She can get 5 capstone abilities.
royal lantern
amount of capstones doesnt matter
royal lantern
ww monk can take like 20000capstones and is still not strong
thick sail
Five. We can barely get two, and if we take two, it makes it impossible to get a lot of the other cool talents at the bottom of the trees (Sepsis, Bone Spike, etc)
I understand that. I'm not saying from a strength perspective.
I'm talking about
From a build variety perspective.
Our capstone nodes require too many prerequisites that give the illusion of choice, when really there's no choice being presented to us
storm onyx
More capstones doesnt mean better or more function
thick sail
They need to either unlink the prerequisites, or move the other abilities to different areas in the trees, or both
royal lantern
i mean "i can take 5 capstones" does not give you more build variety
if anything, it gives LESS
thick sail
Again, I'm not talking about class power. I'm talking about the ability to take different builds
uncut echo
Assassination as a class is hinging on a fundamental, Ret level overhaul
thick sail
Well, the way I built her, I had her take all 5 capstones in Prot. It's not the meta build.
uncut echo
???
thick sail
But it does seem to be one of the most survivable
royal lantern
Assassination as a class is hinging on a fundamental, Ret level overhaul
the thing blizz said they dont do anymore for dragonlight :3
uncut echo
Are you making the case that they have build variety bc you made an off meta builf that takes 5 capstones
Tanks always have the ability to focus damage or focus survivability
That's not new
thick sail
No. It's build variety because, as a tank class, you can take survivability nodes or damage nodes.
As a DPS class, we only have damage nodes. So there's generally a very clear correct build.
royal lantern
i mean, its not even real variety because tanks will go damage 9 out of 10 times
uncut echo
It's st, aoe, or st + cleave
thick sail
So, they either need to bake utility into each node so it feels like we're making an actual decision, or they need to sprinkle the higher nodes throughout the tree against some really amazing non damaging utility talents so we can make some real decisions
uncut echo
That's the nature of a game that solves itself for competitive sake
This argument is flawed
thick sail
There's almost no utility talents in the rogue trees that make me want to say, "oh okay, I'll give up 400 DPS for this"
uncut echo
You cannot compare a tank to a dps
royal lantern
^
storm onyx
No. It's build variety because, as a tank class, you can take survivability node...
We have survivability nodes, we are actively ignoring them apart from a couple
thick sail
Let's consider Improved Sprint.
royal lantern
Let's consider Improved Sprint.
the talent assa takes, and sub doesnt?
thick sail
Would this be game breaking if it reduced the CD to 30 seconds
uncut echo
Would this be game breaking if it reduced the CD to 30 seconds
2 charges 1 minute cd or burst of speed choice node was suggest, yes
Like
Im telling you
All these takes you have about how shit we are have been talked about on cooldown
thick sail
Or the physical damage reduction talent. If they're concerned about pvp, just have it be half as effective in PvP
And buff it to 10%
uncut echo
And buff it to 10%
???????
thick sail
Okay well, I don't live on here
I'm just saying, there's some major room for improvement
uncut echo
You're immediately discounting yourself of any credability you may have had
By throwing out numbers that make zero sense
Rogue is one of the tankiest class in the game
royal lantern
Would this be game breaking if it reduced the CD to 30 seconds
that would be 1 of the biggest buffs in the history of the game mate lmao
thick sail
Talented Sprint on a 30 second cooldown would be one of the biggest buffs in the history of the game
That is a hot take
uncut echo
No it wouldnt
thick sail
You recall it being a 5 minute cooldown in classic?
oak sky
Is this classic?
thick sail
I mean, no?
stuck knoll
My brother was born the year classic came out
thick sail
Yeah, times change, Sprint has a 1 minute CD talented now
uncut echo
2 shadowsteps for sin rogue is a revelation
thick sail
And I'm saying 30 seconds would be fine for PvE
And if you wanna keep it at 1 minute for pvp, sure
oak sky
he's now able to drink
And i was born before classic came out and I'm not
thick sail
So like
The snarky "times change" responses aren't coherent if you also are agreeing with my point
oak sky
Does 30s sprint add compelling gameplay?
uncut echo
More that we're asking you to stop because you're the 30th person TODAY to come in here asking about where changes are
thick sail
I didn't ask where changes are, I just came here to be like "hey I've been doing keys and I've noticed some of these talents suck"
storm onyx
Sprint was 10(?) secs before, also was a time we had sprint procs. Its not in tune with pvp
uncut echo
You're not offering anything constructive and stirring up the pot eith arbitrary 10% physical damage DR takes out of nowhere
Yeah
royal lantern
Sprint was 10(?) secs before, also was a time we had sprint procs. Its not in tu...
i think you mean burst of speed, and that also had a resource cost and was on the gcd
thick sail
They're tuning talents for pvp and PvE now, so any argument about pvp balance is completely moot
oak sky
30s sprint just makes it so you never have to plan your mobility for anything
storm onyx
i think you mean burst of speed, and that also had a resource cost and was on th...
Ah yea..
oak sky
Doesn't sound very interesting to me
thick sail
This talent does this thing in PvP, but does this instead in PvE
sullen hollow
tf
thick sail
It's a terrible, lazy system, but if that's the way they want to balance the game, whatever
sullen hollow
topgear wants me to do haste in every slot now
uncut echo
You annihilated your credibility to offer criticisms of the class when you suggested we have less build variety od a tank you made an off meta build for and saying we should turn deadened nerves into a 10% dr
thick sail
For PvE
royal lantern
topgear wants me to do haste in every slot now
mastery and haste are really really close overall
thick sail
How would deadened nerves be OP at 10% in raid and mythic content
uncut echo
You're not playing at a level where tuning of that nature would be asburdly busted
storm onyx
This talent does this thing in PvP, but does this instead in PvE
Thats something Blizz actively tries to avoid. Inevitably they have to do it to an extend but they dont want clear 2 versions of anything
uncut echo
How would deadened nerves be OP at 10% in raid and mythic content
WF + 30 CoS last boss would like a word
sullen hollow
mastery and haste are really really close overall
its way over 2k more dps
sullen hollow
just by gemming haste
uncut echo
Make 10% dr a capstone
thick sail
And make it feel like an ultimate ability and you give up big damage for it
uncut echo
And you want to suggest build diversity
thick sail
So it's a decision
sullen hollow
a ye
balmy condor
Yeh I mean if you’ve been avoiding haste it’s a good stat
sullen hollow
wonder if it wants me to do haste on
thick sail
Here's a quick question, since I don't live on here
sullen hollow
sub too
thick sail
Do people actually use Kingsbane?
uncut echo
No
balmy condor
No
storm belfry
There will never be build diversity
thick sail
It seems awful
fresh scaffold
Can you already sim those primirdial stones or you just gotta guess which one is best?
Except the knowledge on wowhead
thick sail
When I say "it seems awful" I mean "compared to the things you give up to take it"
storm belfry
If you ever think there will be build diversity that is cope
thick sail
Obviously
balmy condor
Can you already sim those primirdial stones or you just gotta guess which one is...
The knowledge is from sims
But I think it’s just advanced atm
thick sail
I mean but there could, potentially, be build diversity, if they added major utility nodes that do huge things that you have to give up big damage to take
balmy condor
Or they could just buff kingsbane to be competitive like they did in 10.0
storm belfry
1-3 talent changes but the rest is the same isnt build diversity
sullen hollow
howling rune over buzzing rune now? I wonder
thick sail
Like I said, 10% physical damage reduction as a capstone. You're giving up using 4 poisons, or AOE shiv (which is a pretty bad talent outside of raging week in m+)
Well I mean. I'm talking about more changes
Not one single change
storm belfry
Either way. There will never be build diversity unless all talents were basically equal in some way
thick sail
That's where I don't agree, just hear me out
uncut echo
We've heard you out for 30 minutes
storm onyx
Or you gain something extra/different, KB was good with 3 point execute and provided 1 min cd... Lost both
thick sail
All right friend, keep enjoying the game as it is
odd heath
Like I said, 10% physical damage reduction as a capstone. You're giving up using...
Ane that would be a capstone no one would pick. Wtf is that suggestion lol
brazen zodiac
yo ahri is like
uncut echo
You blatantly said
brazen zodiac
a vibe
uncut echo
Make it 10% over 3%
brazen zodiac
uncut echo
I said that's the dumbest thing I ever read
You said make it a capstone
And I said you lost my interest in making recommendations for the class
Bc you said a tank talenting survivability is build diversity
thick sail
The problem is you assumed that when I suggested we change these talents you assumed I meant change them and then leave them exactly where they're at in the tree.
thick sail
No, actually. You moved to discount everything I have to say and add to this conversation based on the simple fact I suggested we change the physical DR to 10%
thick sail
You literally said that
uncut echo
No, actually. You moved to discount everything I have to say and add to this con...
I discounted you before that
thick sail
What a great guy you are
thick sail
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