assassination

[gusty mirage]

@drifting cloud @oak sky JCers can multicraft it

[drifting cloud]

because blizzard doesnt actually care about the weaker specs of pure dps classes unless youre mage or lock

[oak sky]

in our case they dont care about any of the specs

lucky lucky

[cedar light]

also affli on -%1

all of them are getting buffed other than assa

kinda strange

this is for +20

i thought they were handling balance relatively good up until i saw rogue not getting any buffs on 10.1 or 10.0.7

[fading wigeon]

Wth have they done to Frost DK st. Why won't they do that for assasination. Man

[drifting cosmos]

that priest chart tho

No one plays holy or disc at 20+??

[drifting cloud]

dps breakdown

[drifting cosmos]

Oh

Nvm

[drifting cosmos]

need a full rework for sin to work at m+

[storm belfry]

then proceeded to do top dam

[drifting cosmos]

Actually a lot higher than I thought, holy and disc

In pugs I rarely seen them

[oak sky]

blizzard said reworks arent happening

[drifting cosmos]

11.0

Last time I main sin in keys was 8.3.5

It’s been a while

[cedar light]

what do you mean isnt this second rework of Spriest this expansion ?

[unreal bear]

feel this

[oak sky]

they said no more big reworks following the ret rework

only smaller scale stuff

so maybe we could get small scale changes

no full rework

[dark token]

Ye sin has been trash in keys except in bfa cause shrouded was so good

[white orchid]

Aff got a buff?

[cedar light]

i never liked sub and im really bored of outlaw wanted to try assa but after my research i was like "bruh"

[drifting cosmos]

could we get some moments like surv? Shine for 2 seasons and back to shit again

[unreal bear]

wish these dumb ass spiders would stay dead

[storm belfry]

@spice spire 🫣

[ruby birch]

[valid whale]

Yo is there something to read from smart people about the onyx ring

[balmy condor]

pins

[spice spire]

Just got home eating.
Gonna check vault and watch smth with fiancée maybe can do one. But you got an hour or so

[storm belfry]

i will probs be off by then, enjoy your night

[unreal bear]

i have rolled nature stones

14 times

[fallow canopy]

are the sims acting funky with the pastel gemstone? its simming way lower for me

in patchwerk

[storm belfry]

so i only just got the ring then went to keys, whats the way to farm em and upgrade fast @unreal bear

[unreal bear]

kill rares

i've been doing that the last couple of hours, they spawn fast

[storm belfry]

is that hgow you get more stones/keys or

[unreal bear]

keys

[storm belfry]

like how do you upgrade the stuff

[unreal bear]

stones are from rares and killing stuff, as well as vault

😦

you can also spend 2k overflow on bags from dragonscale vendor

[storm belfry]

but how to upgrade ring

[unreal bear]

its 10 stones and some dust or some shit?

JCs make it i think

[fallow canopy]

yea, 25 silken gemdust

with public crafting orders should not take long

[brazen zodiac]

trying to farm for the pattern

[unreal bear]

is the vault the same for everyone>?

[valid whale]

@balmy condor thanks

[unreal bear]

and if it is, is there a map

[fallow canopy]

I believe it is not, but I'm not 100% sure

[main vessel]

Might be worth noting for the stone sims that they currently assume that you're more or less constantly moving for Echoing Thunder Stone

If you're not able to move constantly to build charges, it will deal less damage

[gusty mirage]

yeah, it's uh okay

might be worse than the cleave one

if you just plant

[unreal bear]

ADAD spam count?

[sweet dawn]

https://tenor.com/view/intrigued-gif-22994028

[main vessel]

it might, I haven't confirmed in-game, just know what the sims are doing

[crystal crystal]

Sorry I'm a little confused by the annulet pin. It says it's not worth farming for assassination, but then mentions buffs and to have fun farming?

[drifting cloud]

25% buff before servers went live, for assa it was a downgrade before those

[gaunt moat]

Last line was update from today, he forgot to add "update"

Now it's about 0.7% upgrade for sin

[balmy condor]

whoops

missed that first line yeah

updated that

[strange python]

Did eranog ring get nerfed?

It's doing substantially less

[spice spire]

[unreal bear]

and now we wait

[lime edge]

yo guys, how's sin in m+ nowadays?

[grim tangle]

I enjoy it :)

[spice spire]

fun, you won't be pushing title with it unless you're seriously built diff, but it's very fine

[thorn fjord]

@gray crest no ring bro... hate to see it

[gray crest]

same here

[thorn fjord]

crazy only dropped once off mythic this whole time

[storm belfry]

bro aff locks are owning rn

[gray crest]

bugged apparently

[storm belfry]

aff?

[storm belfry]

yeah just found out the actual bug

kinda wild

but they do pump, this aff did 150k basically in this 20 AA I was in

meanwhile i did 125

[unreal bear]

anyone tested how much you have to move for this echoing thunder stone

oh it works on jumping

[gusty mirage]

hear me out

just go with the des blood stone

cause uh

[ripe basin]

its looking like that

[gusty mirage]

this aint fucking happening

[gray crest]

I swear I thought this was gonna be a des nuts joke

[ripe basin]

yeah saw some details in outlaw channel, its dealing like half and they claim they are moving with sprint

[balmy condor]

wahts the name so I can update the pin

[ripe basin]

Desirous Blood Stone

[gusty mirage]

ya ^

[balmy condor]

b

fixed

[gusty mirage]

thunderous would be decent for brood

cause you're running around like a fucking idiot no matter what group you're in

but just takes too long to build stacks

[misty kernel]

can anyone link the new update with the rings to read about it plz

[storm zinc]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[storm belfry]

There is info in the pins

After the buff it’s a slight ST Inc for assa

[misty kernel]

bro fuck ST

we need some aoe buffs

CT , Rapture , Garrot , FOK fix about combo points

[green juniper]

[gaunt moat]

Well you're gonne LOVE the new set.

[misty kernel]

like

last 6 seasons

this always been the case

at overall damage if there is AOE in raid

assa is always TOP FROM BOTTOM KEKW

[storm belfry]

I think the gain for St is the same amount but a loss in AOE

[misty kernel]

[storm belfry]

If that makes sense. Aka it’s bad in AOE

[misty kernel]

M+ built sims 58K ST

3 min pw no lust just food-flask-augment

[gaunt moat]

Don't worry, we're gonna get 5% buff anyday now

(translation: pvp nerfs)

[misty kernel]

@gaunt moat what destroyed the spec early in the season we were top logs coz of ST they nerf all abilties by 3%

they shouldnt nerf all abilties by 3% its killing spec in other content they always design assa just to do ST like robots in raids

[gaunt moat]

yeah, we got hit like 5 times.
3%, PB, one less point ER.

[misty kernel]

any fight when there is more targets or adds we fall behind all calsses all specs

[gaunt moat]

which was okay-ish... until they buffed every other class.

[misty kernel]

small fixes (Kings bane dead talent change it up) so u can play DTB + KB + carnage , Fix FOK Combo points at 5 Targets to get 2 Combo Points KEK make it like sub 4+ targets FUll Combo points buff Crimson Damage Int Hit And bleed damage

thats small buffs not gonna make us broken but making spec way way bettere

[gaunt moat]

@misty kernel Right now there are less than 4k players playing assassination in mythic raids, while there are about 13-14k playing sub.
How does that not raise any flags for them.. hard to say.

[misty kernel]

i think they dont care about fixing all specs for 1 class

they would say outlaw / sub is good ignore assa

[unreal bear]

"assa is the pvp spec"

[misty kernel]

and that was the case for last 6 seasons (in overall damage)

@unreal bear only this season

[unreal bear]

that's probably their justification

[storm belfry]

Always thought that was sub kekw

[misty kernel]

last 4 seasons it was Sub

[lunar sonnet]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[gaunt moat]

it used to

[misty kernel]

🤣

[storm belfry]

It like always is sub

[misty kernel]

ya sub (RMP)

sin pvp 1st time from like 6-7 pvp seasons

[storm belfry]

Sin will always shine briefly in pvp but then it gets nerfed

Sub always good. They have so much control

But rogue in shambles in pvp. No more blind into sap

[split grail]

So I've heard I should save these primal stones for now. Which ones are best for sin?

[gaunt moat]

Sin is still the 4th most played spec in pvp

[storm belfry]

Check pins

[storm belfry]

What are the other 3

[gaunt moat]

uh, i don't remember 😅

[storm belfry]

[misty kernel]

lets be honest

[gaunt moat]

like 2 weeks ago I'd tell you that if they'd buff AoE abilities, we'll use then in ST rotation and then that's bad.
but now they gave us a tier set that buffs CT, so i don't know anymore.

[misty kernel]

6-7 weeks ago

arms warrior

was instead of assa rogue

at logs

now where is it ?

rank 1

why ??

buf 10% 10% 10% 10%

but assa completely ignore

[storm belfry]

Have you seen warlocks after todays patch

[misty kernel]

lets go back warlock from SL

[storm belfry]

Granted it’s mostly bugs

[misty kernel]

warlock every key

spam 1 botton

52355235235325K overall

[storm belfry]

That’s how they are rn

[misty kernel]

rain of fire or seed of corruption

[storm belfry]

Cause of buffs + a HUGE bug

[misty kernel]

and u fuck your self up as sin in keys

[storm belfry]

In their class tree

[misty kernel]

and u r bottom dps 😄

[gaunt moat]

Annoying thing is, people just brush that issue aside, and will tell you to play other rogue specs.

I dunno. I hope 10.1 will have some assassination changes.
hopefully a change to exsang.
and then doing something better with AoE talents.

[storm belfry]

I was 2nd in an AA earlier. Below aff lock

[misty kernel]

@storm belfry because others are trolling there specs

if u play with propper warlock u will never beat him

[runic hinge]

I wanna play KB again

[storm belfry]

Yeah the lock was ahead

[misty kernel]

like my highest @storm belfry at AA

i did 161k

[storm belfry]

By 20k I think

[misty kernel]

with WW & SP

i can beat WW but no way i beat SP

[storm belfry]

Yeah I think I seen that screenshot

[misty kernel]

@storm belfry

this was like 1 month ago

[storm belfry]

I did 125

The lock did 148

Boomie hard troll. Only like 96

[misty kernel]

and this is

2 weeks ago

if u play with arms , Firemage , DH

they kill everything in secs

and u dont have any bursty damage

we look rly bad - COS - Temple - SBG

all smallies we have 0 abilties can do burst compare to other classes

they must BUFF CT int hit damage

and bleed damage

[gaunt moat]

We rely on others being bad to be good

[storm belfry]

Yeah CoS and temple I struggle to pass 80+

[misty kernel]

100%

@storm belfry i did like 95K at temple

but sub rogues does 110k

coz he can press 1 secret Teq

destroy everything

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/oq3jhHLCMRhzRXN1ybuTGi

bro plz

😄

[storm belfry]

What do you do in rlp

[misty kernel]

58,790 ST 3 MIN

like this is TBC SIM KEKW

[gaunt moat]

Well I don't think sin will (or should) get a burst damage ability. doesn't really fit.
Personally I want it to have better and easier cleave / dot extension on multiple enemies.
cleaving is in a really bad spot.
AoE isn't my main concern personally.

[misty kernel]

@gaunt moat buffing CT int hit

and bleed damage

doesnt mean we will be bursty

like other specs

but we can do smth at least 😄

instead of 16k int hit

[storm belfry]

Wish we had a way to speed up bleeds in AOE

[misty kernel]

make it like 30k

[storm belfry]

And reapply easier

In mass AOE

[misty kernel]

@storm belfry i suggested this before

Exang AOE

for carnage

[storm belfry]

Something like circle of life and death

For Druid

[gaunt moat]

@storm belfry have you played feral? 🙂

[misty kernel]

Cranage 8 Target and u have CT soft cap and dogshit damage 😄

[storm belfry]

Yeah

I don’t really like feral too much

I do but I don’t idk

Otherwise I wouldn’t be here cause my Druid is geared out it’s mind

Could easily swap to feral

[gaunt moat]

The way they apply dots in aoe is really nice though.

[storm belfry]

I mean are you saying to add rupture to ct?

[gaunt moat]

Any change will have to be more nuanced than that. there's a systemic problem with sin's design.

in regards to aoe.

[misty kernel]

they should nerf assa tbh

we are always rank 1 from bottom 😂

arms was here 6 weeks ago

[gaunt moat]

not true, destro was there for 2 weeks 🙃

[misty kernel]

buff buff buff buff buff

https://tenor.com/view/annoyed-disappointed-mad-upset-gif-26051038

[storm belfry]

Now all three specs are dominating wclogs cause of their buffs

(Aka bugs)

[gaunt moat]

what's bugged exactly?

[storm belfry]

Class tree

Giving the lock 5% haste and 5% damage

[gaunt moat]

it's a bug introduced in 0.7?

[storm belfry]

As well as 5% atk speed and damage to the pet

Yes

Was a known bug on ptr

And they sent it

Also some weird bugs with affliction lock

Making them broken

In AOE

[gaunt moat]

well if we've learned anything from hunter.
They'll fix it in a month, and give them a compensation buff for it.

[misty kernel]

the only time assa was insane

bfa

when i came back to game s4

with that azarites Blood of the enemy

and x3 echoing x3 shrouded

assa was shitting on keys

so it was not class thing it was the azarites + tiers

[storm belfry]

Azerite. What a horrible system

[misty kernel]

but i swear it was what made assa actually strong in keys

99% of the people were playing law

but assa was absolutely broken damage wise

FOK was doing insane damage with garrots buffed from shrouded suf and blood of the enemy

[brazen zodiac]

:o

[somber fractal]

is the pastel stone really bis? it makes it so you have 2 arcane gems. doesnt that weaken the humming arcane stone effect?

[unreal bear]

isnt that the one that just procs a random effect

[gusty mirage]

no it's not

you want Single target: Freezing Ice/Humming Arcane/Desirous Blood

[misty kernel]

@blazing elmcraftdevs please someone Buffs

[gusty mirage]

my dude

you good?

[misty kernel]

bro i cant

this is just so bad oxi

[gusty mirage]

okay

they're aware of it

if that makes you feel any better

they just don't care

[misty kernel]

thats 100% true

i though when u wrote

aware of it

that they are doing smth soon

they dont care thats the case

[gusty mirage]

they won't fix nighstalker because outlaw and sub are "fine"

lol

what makes you think they're gonna buff assassination

[misty kernel]

imagine if they fix Night stalker for garrot

and fix FOK combo points to be like sub

4+ targets full combo points

[gusty mirage]

if they fix NS to work with garrote

[misty kernel]

and swap kings bane up to be picked

[gusty mirage]

it's like

0.8% dps

insane

[misty kernel]

i think its more in AOE too

[gusty mirage]

okay

2%

lol

[misty kernel]

u got me excited when its not happening KEKW

[balmy condor]

Less than that, it doesn’t snapshot

If they fix nightstalker it will give you a whopping 8% extra damage on the first tick of the first garrote

The moment you leave stealth

Bye bye nightstalker

[steel ridge]

No new ptr build?

[balmy condor]

ptr builds are wednesday/thursdays usually

[steel ridge]

mb

[gaunt moat]

5 more hours for servers to go live

[unreal bear]

in that order, correct?

i replied to the wrong thing but you know what i mean

[misty kernel]

Hopeuim

[brazen zodiac]

byebye!!

[rocky ruin]

assa feels kinda like the sub from the bfa

im terms of power kinda

[sudden canyon]

not in terms of getting nerfed in the first raid and then neglected?

at least it wont be the whole xpac

right??

[rocky ruin]

iirc sub wasn't touch the whole bfa expansion after the first raid

[unreal bear]

sub got to shine in Zul

[gusty mirage]

sub got nuked from orbit after Zul

and then they pissed on its ashes

and then pooped onthe ashes

and then pissed on them again

[peak bobcat]

[gusty mirage]

[peak bobcat]

[storm onyx]

I have no idea who / how came up with that iteration of Sub but it was atrocious.

[royal lantern]

what

gameplay wise bfa sub was the best sub we had in a long time

[storm onyx]

The purple porter ?

Wth

[royal lantern]

they just made shuriken combo, it broke a fight, and then removed both legs lol

[gusty mirage]

combo was in legion too

aoe funnel into buffing ST damage

was satisfying af

[rocky ruin]

yes after they the guild realise funnel sub maybe fucking good, then like oxi said it Titan stomp on them and yea they got obliterate from BFA.
Assa feels kinda the same we got legs, then got nuked

[gusty mirage]

it's okay

we're just taking turns at which rogue spec gets dicked by the balance team

in bfa it was sub

in SL it was assassination, then it was outlaw

now it's assassination again

so sub better prepare itself

[storm onyx]

You would think “We should leave 1/3 spec on the floor” wouldn’t be a design approach …

[gusty mirage]

oh don't worry

it's 3/3 specs

only dif is sub can do aoe

[fleet coral]

is it st or multiple ?

[gusty mirage]

and outlaw can also do aoe

that's single target

[fleet coral]

ah okay st

[gusty mirage]

so all 3 are dogshit at single target

[rocky ruin]

it happen in bfa too and didnt hurt the other specs, only the ppl who playing the nuked spec. I think the last interview from Ion
he said no class get whole reworked retri pala treatment, Some class tree tuning and so can happen. Maybe they dont know
what direction assa should go

[gusty mirage]

I mean our talents simply don't work properly

this is well below rework level

outlaw and sub play the game with less class talents than anyone else in the game

because nightstalker just doesn't work

but they need improved ambush to function

top in lethality not applying to shadowstrike

it's very cool

[hollow junco]

no

you're very cool

[fleet coral]

bruh there is a indie company for fixing it

give them a time

[gusty mirage]

no u

[hollow junco]

[gusty mirage]

it's just a joke at this point

I can't even get mad anymore

it's just hilarious

I'm convinced that blizzard used ChatGPT to balance the game

[fleet coral]

but 3.5 one not the gpt 4 xD

[hollow junco]

they should let chatGPT write the story and the dialogue, it would be a huge improvement

[gusty mirage]

true

I haven't watched a single cinematic

or read a single storyline

I still don't know why we went into vault of the incarnates

[hollow junco]

"an npc died, feel emotional pls"

[fleet coral]

loot ?

[gusty mirage]

I got 99% of my loot from the great vault

[slow tulip]

i got 90% of my gear from crafters

[fleet coral]

going there for loot and getting loot from there very very different things imo

cuz i never get loot there too xD

[gusty mirage]

true

[balmy condor]

how long did farming the ring take

[storm onyx]

I don’t want to be top / close to top on everything; I just want our specs do what they are designed for proper

[gusty mirage]

like 4 hours

and I have em all maxed

[balmy condor]

hmmmm

[gusty mirage]

I even got the "open all doors" achieve

which btw

[balmy condor]

[gusty mirage]

is not all of them

apparently

[balmy condor]

freezing humming blood here we go

[gusty mirage]

but if you get good rng

and don't have to gamba

you can finish it in legit

like 2 hours

[vestal wren]

oxi shows up and blasts all doors open, what a

[strange python]

Are there any new mounts this patch

Other than the 1 overflow mount

[gusty mirage]

ya

one from the primal storms onthe reach

you gotta do it 10 times

there's like 4 or 5

[strange python]

Bleh

[storm onyx]

Think i have 130 mounts, which 120 of them i haven seen in last 10 years. Collectionism is strange in this game

[strange python]

Should I adopt a dog

[fleet coral]

just wondered which ring to change with onyx , eranog one or melandrus

i love them both....

[vestal wren]

melandrus

[brazen zodiac]

todays the day i get 421 w/ leech in vault

💃

[storm onyx]

Is new ring socketed?

[fleet coral]

yeah 3 sockets

[storm onyx]

Ah, just special gems only?

[fleet coral]

yeah seems so

[storm onyx]

Kk, thanks

[brazen zodiac]

are u not able to apply an additional regular gem to it?

[storm onyx]

That cuts on Lariat time?

[gusty mirage]

dunno

when I get jack shit on my vault on tuesday

I'll let you know

[brazen zodiac]

haha

[balmy condor]

bro no shot I was just flying through the forbidden reach

and now I'm chain DCing

my character

got stuck

in mid air

??????????????????????????????????????????????????

blizzard?

[gusty mirage]

small indie company bro

they had to hire people to help spruce up scarizard's words

no time to fix infinite DC loops

[brazen zodiac]

rip

[balmy condor]

at least when I dc from maplestory they let me log back in

[brazen zodiac]

lmao

[gusty mirage]

well yeah

maplestory's a good game

hello?

[balmy condor]

my game is bricked

it's actually just a hard uninstall angle

I can't even access the files

[gusty mirage]

when has maple story ever bricked?

Maple Story - 500000000
World of Warcraft - 0

[balmy condor]

real

the only time maple bricked was when some guy named hamzah decided to hack the game and then triple down that it wasn't him

[gusty mirage]

I apologize on behalf of my people for this transgression

[brazen zodiac]

what happened whispyr

lmfao

did u try requesting a character unstuck before u exploded ur computer

[balmy condor]

I flew back to the camp in forbidden shore

and it dc'd me

and I logged back in

and it wouldn't let me

so I closed the game

and then tried to open it

and it insta crashed

[brazen zodiac]

oh no

[balmy condor]

so I went to delete my addon folder

and try with no addons

but I couldn't even get that far

because trying to open my retail folder

was greeted with "yo this doesn't exist"

my entire wow install corrupted

pog

[cursive smelt]

yo do you think what is the new safe ring worth to our class?

[balmy condor]

pins

[cursive smelt]

rip :/

[vestal wren]

ptr or live?

[balmy condor]

live

[vestal wren]

i remember this problems from beta and early in DF

i assume they did again fuck up the same things

[balmy condor]

warlock talent modifiers for pets

applies to the entire warlock btw

this was our combined raz prog today

seems fine

very good p2 damage from warlocks as well

working as intended

[gusty mirage]

what? noooo

no way a multi billion dollar gaming company would fuck something up

[vestal wren]

oh wow rogue seems op, better nerf them

[balmy condor]

yeah definitely

[gusty mirage]

your lock can finally feel like they're useful

wtf man

[balmy condor]

15% grieftorch damage from the shield multiplier

[gusty mirage]

warlock lives matter too

[balmy condor]

heaven forbid

[gusty mirage]

why can't we get good bugs like that?

what the fuck man

[lucid birch]

[balmy condor]

sometimes I open wowmeta

and think back

to when akaari's was giving cp on beta

remember the good old days

of sub doing 2x the damage of every other spec in the game

cause a shadowstrike with blades up and a weaponmaster proc was giving 12 cp

[gusty mirage]

then they gave them a casino royale version of that with the s3 tier set

that everyone hated

[balmy condor]

okay

so the battle.net launcher can't uninstall

and can't repair

and I can't delete the files from my file explorer

any bright ideas?

[lucid birch]

Wipe the drive

[gusty mirage]

yes

quit wow

play maplestory perma

[vestal wren]

SL beta was wild

with akaaris

[lucid birch]

I think I had something like this happen recently but don’t remember what I did hmmm

[vestal wren]

and after that the ER bug with infinite cp

[balmy condor]

maybe I can move all the files off the drive

to the new drive

then wipe the drive

and move the files back

[gusty mirage]

that seems like a lot of work

[lucid birch]

Jesus

[gusty mirage]

just play maplestory

and go to bed

if it works tomorrow great

if not

oh well

[gusty mirage]

that's thursday whispyr's problem

[balmy condor]

it's got a sense of humor

oh

I have

a genius idea

I'm gonna move all the wow folders

into a new folder

and then move that new folder

off the drive

so battle.net can't find it

and then it'll ask me to install a new wow install

oh.

[lucid birch]

Oof

[balmy condor]

double oh.

[lucid birch]

The drive is having a very bad day it would seem

Bad relationship there

[balmy condor]

hmmmmmmmmmm

it seems

that maybe the entire drive is dead

cause I have steam on there

and that doesn't work either

[lucid birch]

[balmy condor]

It’s a fairly new drive too

M.2 nvme I installed for Christmas

Kinda unlucky

[lucid birch]

Did you turn the computer off

Can also try to troubleshoot/repair the drive

[balmy condor]

Yeah

Tried that

I’m gonna reseat it

And just

Kinda hope

[lucid birch]

Yuh

[brazen zodiac]

lmao

i didnt know that could happen f

[balmy condor]

Pog

[winter gale]

Good moment too, right into 2nd week of Rasza prog

[grim jay]

I mean, thats why people that have huge drives often do backups

I never had one die on me tho

[night delta]

only time I had a drive die was when a power surge fried pretty much everything on my old pc

never had one die on its own tho

[grim jay]

Had that with my gpu

Like 13 years ago

That was the moment I started only buying industrial grade connector strips

[gaunt moat]

It's just that easy boys 🙂

[trail tree]

it is just that easy indeed

[sullen hollow]

Damn

[tacit otter]

i also got 424 grieftorch

today is a day

[quasi pine]

Maybe I'll have Grieftorch too in my chest ->

Or maybe i'll have the dagger from Terros for the 4th time

[vestal wren]

dagger collector

[slow tulip]

holy shit those bis vaults in here

is there someone without a luck or

[vestal wren]

you will have more ppl post good ones than bad ones

its just more likely to share a good vault

[slow tulip]

did you get bis vault tho @vestal wren :Catnod:

[vestal wren]

got mythic tier hands, so not bad

[slow tulip]

🥂

[flint tusk]

i mean i got mythic tier shoulders after 4 weeks of absolute shit. and still no mythic eranog ring or any rings for that matter

had someone in my guild get 6 mythic eranog rings so far. 3 rolled a speed/leech stat

[vestal wren]

rip

[dusty sable]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[devout jasper]

how can I do this?

[balmy condor]

get the arcane shield from the bottom floor

[limber walrus]

Not everyone's vault is the same

[balmy condor]

yeh but the shields are forced bottom floor no

[limber walrus]

idk, I had a flame shield on the second floor

[drifting cloud]

no arcane shield for me in first 2 floors

and 2 of those rooms

[balmy condor]

rough

[devout jasper]

just I found flame shield

-_-

[fossil garnet]

Obscure Pastel Stone better than blood for assa acc wowhead? xd

is it better or a char to char thing

[balmy condor]

its a mess cause they're hotfixing gems

[devout jasper]

how can I take a blood stone I can't find in the vendor?

[balmy condor]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/forbidden-reach/primordial-stones

[sudden canyon]

spec is poop

life is poop

big sadge

[fossil garnet]

cool

[balmy condor]

pins here will update faster than wowhead

but yeah

kind of a disaster

[peak bobcat]

Simply wait for the pins

Our rogue overlords always lead us in the right direction

[balmy condor]

as much as blizzard lets us

they're making it real difficult this time around

[misty holly]

Blizzard has hated sims for a long time. This is their weapon against them. Daily hotfixes adjusting items and skills. Gotta move faster than the sims can adjust.

[balmy condor]

idk if they hate it

[spice spire]

Hot fixing gems after two months of PTR.

[hollow dirge]

i mean, if they were smart, sims would just make their life easy

[raven knoll]

They just need to have a function that randomly adds or substracts anywhere from -15% to +15% aura to random classes every like 4 hours and you never know which class is good.

[grim jay]

@balmy condor blood gem with the dmg proc on healing looks really good from warrior testing

[balmy condor]

yeh that's bugged as fuck

it's giga strong

[grim jay]

Someone found out by accident

[balmy condor]

it was bugged on ptr too

and reported

just never fixed

[grim jay]

Duh. With how they fix stuff it will probably be a feature

[balmy condor]

One combination being almost 4k dps stronger than the rest

Is uh

A bit silly

[grim jay]

Wasnt a combination in sanctum way above aswell and it took them ages ? 😁

[balmy condor]

Not really

Unholy got nerfed pretty quick

Frost got fixed pretty quick

[subtle tundra]

wtf is a forbidden reach

[balmy condor]

Also not really the same system

In any sort of way

[subtle tundra]

can they stop adding irrelevant content

fix assa

[balmy condor]

It’s not irrelevant if they decide to buff it until it’s giga bis

[royal lantern]

L take, but thats just varas

[subtle tundra]

its irrelevant if it wont make me play the game

you know what would've made me play

[balmy condor]

I mean the content is fine

[subtle tundra]

10.0.7 adding assa changes

[balmy condor]

It’s actually pretty good

But like

It shouldn’t be in a 0.7 patch 2 months out from a new tier

Idk

The timing is weird for what they want it to be

Should’ve been a catch-up mechanic

[prime lintel]

how does sin rogue proc the humming arcane stone other than ER? I seen it was BiS on your Wowhead guide

[balmy condor]

Cowl, eranog ring

Poisons

Envenom

[prime lintel]

Poisons are consider magic? the more you know.

[royal lantern]

assa does more magical dmg than physical dmg

[subtle tundra]

opa im almost there

[balmy condor]

Anything that isn’t physical is magic

[subtle tundra]

fuckkk i need to do 1 more m+

[balmy condor]

Nature damage is magic

[royal lantern]

allright, ALL melee's except arms/fury/mm/outlaw/bm do more magical than physical dmg

[balmy condor]

So like vicious venoms will proc it as well

[prime lintel]

I appreciate the insight - you've changed my life. I have no idea why I kept thinking nature is somehow not magical lol

[balmy condor]

As will poison bomb

Also bleeds are physical, but don’t adhere to armor reduction

They ignore 100% of armor

Just like magic

That’s why find weakness is so trash

[spice spire]

Fuck that m+ man

[subtle tundra]

i need to do it for the jester costume

[spice spire]

I got all necks this week

Oh fair

[royal lantern]

its also why the dh debuff is giga important, and the mink debuff is kinda w/e, more or less everyone gains a big bonus from the 5% more magic dmg, but the 5% more physical is weak because the number of pure physical dmg is so low

[spice spire]

It is very fitting mog for u

[royal lantern]

do a worldquest tour

[subtle tundra]

AHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA

HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA

LOL

try telling me to do worldquests again

and youre blocked

this is a threat

[royal lantern]

then go to a barber and change your haircolor 10x, also a challange

man, why is varas such a special child

[subtle tundra]

fun fact

never went to a barber in wow

i've been playing since the end of legion

[royal lantern]

yeha, thats obvious

frking zoomers want all games to be a queue lobby and get existential dread when they are told "idk, maybe do a couple quests, can finish the entire log in 10min by doing a quick worldquest tour"

[pseudo hamlet]

lmao

[subtle tundra]

idk what you mean by that

i'd rather do a m+ on an alt than do worldquests

[viscid spear]

Got this like an hour after it went live

[pseudo hamlet]

421 Eranog/Diurna and 415 CoS/Melandrus ring - is the Annulet worth farming?

I know it's BIS, but I don't know if it's GIGA upgrade or something like ~100DPS at max?

[viscid spear]

Wondering what April's will be

[spice spire]

Listen man, I’m not with the clussy @shrewd night

[viscid spear]

Quake is a huge clussy opp, it's true.

[spice spire]

[pseudo hamlet]

or if it's even possible to sim it currently somehow?

[celest drift]

still relevant?

[spice spire]

It’s about 1% upgrade from 415 signet. Idk if you can sim it at current time

[spice spire]

For now

[royal lantern]

dont threaten me with a good time

[spice spire]

Waiting on hot fixes iirc blood is bugged

[celest drift]

Best to wait before upgrading stones i guess

[pseudo hamlet]

1%... bleh. Thanks for the answer!

[spice spire]

Yeah 0.7% was from 421 signet

but it loses value with more targets. It’s a pure st gain, If that helps your decision

[viscid spear]

Can't threaten the willing

[royal lantern]

offical blizzard UwU is the best emote

[pseudo hamlet]

Then even worse considering that I will be probably doing more M+ than raiding

[spice spire]

Yeah in m+ it’s a loss

[quasi pine]

It feels so bad to be playing only M+ for assa

[undone timber]

hey guys ! So we liking Assa in 10.0.7 so far or nah ? Not seing much optimism sadge
Especially looking forward to 10.1

[pastel onyx]

Legit nothing changed in 0.7

[grim jay]

The insane changes we got are great and changed our opinion so much

[royal lantern]

cus they ignore the spec lol (but thats rogue in general)

[pastel onyx]

Looking forward to dm a random 10hp bug to get a nature dmg buff for the big pull in 10.1 tho

[quasi pine]

They will change assa one day

[pastel onyx]

[hollow dirge]

rogue changes for 10.1 -"rogues are gonna be a lot weaker in pvp".

[undone timber]

ok so still good but nothing particular with the ring

[undone timber]

lmao thanks god I only play M+ :>

[royal lantern]

as if people even play pvp lol

legit waste of resources

[hollow dirge]

well I know a lot of people who pvp, but I still agree it's a waste of resources 😄

[quasi pine]

It's sad to have pvp as your main content, not much to do :')

[royal lantern]

should play a game then that is actually based around PvP

[grim jay]

Pvp mmos are either dead or p2w

[quasi pine]

Clearly, wow is not the game for that atm (maybe it will change but I doubt HARD)

[grim jay]

And the sad thing is that wow pvp is better than 90% of pvp mmos out there

Even while it is like this

[broken stump]

I'm super new to the class. What changes would people like to see to Assassination?

[vestal wren]

rly comes down to what you see as mmo

[royal lantern]

if we list that up, we would sit here tomorrow man

[vestal wren]

mmo just means a lot of players in a online enviroment

[grim jay]

You will start a big shitshow. You might wanna use the search function

[grim jay]

Yeah, mmorpg was the right word

[dusty sable]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[vestal wren]

i think it is fair to say

that every mmorpg that purely focues on pvp failed hard

[royal lantern]

functional aoe rotation, and actuall aoe dmg without losing all ST dmg at the same time (doesnt need to be a insane aoe monster, but going all aoe talents for short mediocre aoe every 45sec, and losing like 20-30% st dmg at the same time is borderline insanity from blizzards side)

better pathing in the tree

the promised exsanguinate change

SnD getting removed and turned passive again for all 3, such a pointless ability in its current state

taking a BIG look at our capstones again, 1is mediocre, 1is a must Pick and 2are simply dead in all situations

fix the rogue class tree, multiple bugged talents that dont get fixed, bad pathing, bad layout with 0options, way to heavy focused on dmg

wall of text!

[vestal wren]

what was the promised exsang change

[royal lantern]

any change lol

[vague widget]

They just stated they would rework it after the nerf.

[vestal wren]

oh, i thought there was something specific

[vague widget]

It does some days feel like they hit us with a car, said they were going for help, and never came back. But I try not to doom because it makes playing harder.

[broken stump]

Makes sense. In the limited time of playing it, I wasn't a big fan of SnD - press it once per encounter and then forget it exists felt like a bit of a waste of a keybind. AOE does feel a bit strange too, but I haven't got enough gear yet to do keys with friends to see that I do no ST when talented into IC

[frigid pilot]

Sin nerfed in pvp now sub is nerfed

[royal lantern]

pvp lol

[grim jay]

Bdo isnt a fail, but stupid hard grind or p2w. Its prolly the closest to a real pvp mmorpg

[dark token]

Snd ( and all classic mechanics they reintroduced like poisons for outlaw) have been pointless and clunky since they release

For good reason: it's 20 years old and shitty

[sullen hollow]

Anyone been simming the ring yet

[spice spire]

Pins

[dark token]

But wow devs have a hardon for vanilla rogue as the "perfect" class design

And they think we like seeing stuff like that in modern wow

See: thistle tea

[broken stump]

Is it even worth me playing Rogue as an alt at this point?

Oh yeah, I don't like Thistle Tea either

[dark token]

It's alright now but it never should have been reintroduced, and they got immediate hate and feedback about it constantly

[grim jay]

I dont mind tea tbf

[dark token]

And still went through with it

Applying poisons every time I change spec and every hour is painful for an entirely passive mechanic you don't notice

But "it's classic rogue identity you guys love that!" Is literally the logic they used to reintroduce this clunk back to the game

[royal lantern]

if you like the gameplay, sure?

+sub is strong

[royal lantern]

tea is imo more like "its not terrible bad, but why is it even a thing?" i dont mind tea, but why is it a capstone at all lol

[dark token]

Tea and cold blood are both awful talent designs and they lucked out into them working on current sub

[grim jay]

I kinda like it being resource on demand. If not for a lack of comfy binds, I wouldve liked mfd aswell

[royal lantern]

cold blood is like sepsis: somone at blizz thought "omg a 100% crit is so strong!!!/omg a stealth ability is so strong!!!!"

[storm onyx]

300 on demand energy is big tbf

[royal lantern]

eh, could have been any other energy/cp talent

[vestal wren]

probably depends on what you refer to as successful

[broken stump]

I think my biggest problem is that I'm not actually that good at the game. I've been playing Enh and there isn't really an 'opener', so I just F it up constantly on rogue regardless of whether its Assassination or Sub. I just F up the Gloomblade in Sub constantly

[royal lantern]

honestly, openers are just musclememory

[vestal wren]

people love openers because they can remember a pattern

when in reality even the opener is not always this exact pattern

and small changes don't change the output usually

[royal lantern]

aka assa opener

[broken stump]

Your earlier comment about doing 💩 ST when talented into AOE sounds a bit naff, particularly when its M+ I do most of the time. It's just super unsatisfying when you're way down on the meters

[dark token]

Just macro gloomblade and Shadowstrike together to shadow dance

You don't ever have to think about it

[fossil garnet]

so is there anything Im missing...? kinda confoosed

[royal lantern]

DF sub in a nutshell

[spice spire]

You have to upgrade the stones via JC

[broken stump]

Have they announced anything at all for 10.1 Assa yet?

Or are you fully high on ?

[tacit otter]

if there was any news, you would know haha

[broken stump]

Oh there is. An update to a PvP talent

[pulsar dirge]

guys are season 4 shadowlands warlocks back? I cant take it another time

went to a key and affli lock dwarfed us

[royal lantern]

warlock got giga buffed and has a bug that gives them big dmg rn

[north basin]

How does shadowstrike and gloomblade macroed together do good in shadowdance?

[grim jay]

Maybe we can get some progress in today

[royal lantern]

he Probs means a dance+gloom and a dance+strike macro seperate from eachother

[uncut echo]

Can't imagine making a macro like that

[oak tangle]

dance + gloom works well with TFD build

[north basin]

Where is people bragging with raidbot sims with their new 424 ring? I wanna see it

[grim jay]

Whispyr bragged with pins so we dont have to

Its a WIP tho

[subtle tundra]

!affixes

[prisma monolith]

Affixes: Fortified, Spiteful, Grievous, Thundering

[dense herald]

pretty sure my ring isnt showing as an upgrade on top gear, is it all implimented?

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/uJGSaxQEkB9ivYG1CBT88A

-1.5k dps?

[tacit otter]

have to sim on nightly

not weekly

[balmy condor]

Weekly bad

[tacit otter]

whispyr youre planning on update gem stuff as soon as twilight gem gets the nerf hammer (probably soon)?

[grim jay]

[balmy condor]

If twilight gets the nerf hammer then it’s just the pins

What is there to update

[tacit otter]

wasnt sure if anything else changed until now:) but ye makes sense

[grim jay]

You never know if or by how much it will get nerfed anyways

And its not like you gain much by saving

Literally takes no time to get a gem ready

[storm onyx]

Jewelcrafters upgrade the gems by order?

[tacit otter]

you get an item through public order or a JC to upgrade the gem yourself

[storm onyx]

thank you

[burnt star]

Ok. Forget the "lock bug" but this is still a pretty sad view
:95th st 10.0.7 on terros

We are now middle.of the pack 🤣🤣

[royal lantern]

allrrady where

assa st is nothing extremely impressive lol

[burnt star]

Its worst now

[uncut echo]

It happens guys

10.1 notes barely started dropping

[grim jay]

Is it

[burnt star]

Im just sad we have news or change since our week 1 heroic nerf

Not even a single mention

[uncut echo]

Sin is in a complex spot of being hard to buff and has shit community perception

[uncut echo]

Patently false

Stop spreading misinformation

[burnt star]

Whats the misinformation

Tell me

Where are the news in the last 3 month

[uncut echo]

That we haven't been mentioned since week 1 heroic

Exsang was not nerfed week 1

[burnt star]

Ok lets not get into sementic

[uncut echo]

No

[burnt star]

I wasnt being litteral

[uncut echo]

We are

Okay

[burnt star]

U are

Keep that personnal to u

[uncut echo]

I tend

To take what people say

Literally

[peak bobcat]

No dooming

[uncut echo]

Until given a reason not to

[royal lantern]

sir, this is #assassination

[burnt star]

Wasnt trying to go into a dooming sens. Just a very very sad sens of why is this ok

[uncut echo]

It isn't okay

[burnt star]

It seems to be for blizz

Since they didnt mention us yet

[uncut echo]

Shit's already been brought up to the devs

[burnt star]

For a very long time

[peak bobcat]

We are in 10.1 pre patch

[uncut echo]

We're in a very complex situation of hard to buff

[peak bobcat]

There will be plenty of tuning

[uncut echo]

And have shit community perceptipn

And exsang exists which is a polarizing talent

You cant just remove it

As much as we'd like them to

(Or not like them to)

[wind condor]

We’re finally free😭😭😭 Raz down, guild started 6 weeks late and still finished us174. Back to sin we go😍

[uncut echo]

Congratulations!

[royal lantern]

gz mate

[vestal wren]

gz

[gaunt moat]

nice!

[tacit otter]

is the message late or do you raid at weird times?

[wind condor]

After 316 pulls…arguably better at sub then sin lol. Oh it’s a late message, I had some drinks last night post raid lol

[grim jay]

Did you consider timezones

For the weird times

[tacit otter]

gratz!

[tacit otter]

i mean he said US, and im eu so theyre like couple hours back

im not aware of people raiding in the morning

[gaunt moat]

What gives desirous blood? necromantic magic?

[tacit otter]

yes

[grim jay]

I think ive seen everything from like 6pm to 9am tbh

[gaunt moat]

first try

[grim jay]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/forbidden-reach/primordial-stones

[tacit otter]

progging rasz at 6 am, dispair

[gaunt moat]

Alright, got all 3 gems, now to find a jewelcrafter i guess

[tacit otter]

you dont have to, just get the unstable elementium (or what its called) through public order and upgrade it yourself

[turbid heath]

Lol is this new ring even worth it

[tacit otter]

its 2.6k increase in ST for me

[rigid tartan]

dont know why but i simmed a different bis combo

[turbid heath]

Are the stones drop chance just completely random?

Or should I be aiming for specific ones

[gusty mirage]

The echoing one is over simming

[uncut echo]

Yeah, the ring is worth in Single Target

[pseudo hamlet]

It seems it's time to farm that shiet(ring) for the ST bosses.
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/oYkoxUsTVvd9dqERDDQLRM

[rigid tartan]

ah thanks i missed that, so not even upgrade on st for me unless that desirous blood combination is not yet reflected in sims?

[tacit otter]

its not a real representation of aoe but even in DS the ring sims way ahead of my other rings

[gusty mirage]

It wasn’t stated anywhere afaik, it’s something I looked at last night and figured out

I posted a screenshot of the damage the sim gets out of the echoing thunder last night

And compared it to what it did on various fights

It was doing as much damage as shiv on non movement heavy fights

And on fights with heavy movement, like broodkeeper and sennarth

It was doing as much damage as echoing reprimand

#assassination message

Screenshot of what the sim has it clocked at

[royal lantern]

all 1 of them

[gusty mirage]

It’s not doing 600k in a 5minute boss fight

Like 0% chance

Building stacks from moving takes for fuckin ever

[royal lantern]

600k would be a warlock number

[gusty mirage]

From what I saw last night, their corruption ticks for 600k

Go peep the wcl stats from last night

Warlock is top 3 in every boss

All 3 specs

[royal lantern]

warlock moment

[gusty mirage]

Aff, destro, demo

Every single fight

[royal lantern]

where "bad" for 60% of a raidtier

[gusty mirage]

Their bugged rn

[gray crest]

is that why bobbette was finally pumping on raz last night

[gusty mirage]

Yes

All talents that are supposed to buff their pets

Is just buffing warlock

[gray crest]

lmao wtf

[gusty mirage]

So 5% increased pet damage is giving the warlock 5% damage

And doing fuck all for their pets

So demo doesn’t get to benefit as much as aff

[gray crest]

small indie company

[gusty mirage]

Multi dollar company