assassination

[tacit otter]

i thought i heard someone list more classes, but that was false information then ig

[uncut echo]

Yeah most people don't tend to be super accurate when they're complaining or bitching

[storm belfry]

You are so based

[tacit otter]

nvm i just gonna read that shit myself

[uncut echo]

I try

[brazen zodiac]

hm

💃

[vague widget]

This could be renamed doom posting until further notice. But I wouldn't have it any other way.

[wicked quartz]

why do the outlaw / sub spec pins say the new ring is BIS w/ 3% S.T. increase (outlaw) yet ours says its crap? Something doesnt line up no?

[sweet dawn]

Current rings too good? 🤷

[wicked quartz]

someone is using a bad sim either us or them

[brazen zodiac]

how is THAT

the conclusion you make

[tacit otter]

didnt fuu do both sims? lol

[storm belfry]

It wasn’t good for a lot of specs

But things will change w the buff

[wicked quartz]

if anything wouldnt sin get more ppm because we have more haste

[sweet dawn]

There was a buff?

[brazen zodiac]

nobody talks about the lariat nerf haha

[storm belfry]

Yes 25% buff apparently

The post isn’t up. But the buff is on ptr

[brazen zodiac]

idk why theyd put a balance change regarding lariat in the professions portion of the ptr but hey 💃

[tacit otter]

link?

[brazen zodiac]

one sec

whisp says it doesnt really change anything, lariat might be weak early in the tier but thats about it

[wicked quartz]

thats 10.1 we are talking 10.0.7

[brazen zodiac]

but i just think its funny

[wicked quartz]

which will be live in 3hrs or so

[brazen zodiac]

yeah and 3 minutes ago u were talking about sims

[storm belfry]

Post isn’t made yet

[brazen zodiac]

so i mean

💃

[wicked quartz]

yea for 10.0.7 ring which is coming

[tacit otter]

i thought inmen is also talking about the gem buffs, mb

[storm belfry]

No worries

I’ll probs link it when it’s up. Once my bot alerts me

[spice surge]

Assa doesnt have any talents or effects that buff damage from non-rogue sources like sub and outlaw does.

Atleast that i know of, because i dont think elaborate works, i could be wrong though

[spice spire]

99% sure ep doesn’t work for it

[thorn fjord]

lariat change is for 10.1 right?

[brazen zodiac]

ye

many moons from now

[gusty mirage]

I think they changed EP

when they made it a talent

I don't think its whitelisted anymore

I could be wrong

[spice spire]

That’ll be fixed immediately

[gusty mirage]

no point

[spice spire]

Because it’s not a talent fix

[gusty mirage]

its 4% now

who gives a fuck

[spice spire]

True

But also me

[thorn fjord]

4% almost 5k dmg tho 😛

[gusty mirage]

they don't want to shake up the meta too hard

ya know?

[thorn fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/troll-troll-face-gif-25116980

[gusty mirage]

5k damage to what

are you assuming 100% uptime on EP?

[thorn fjord]

i dunnot im just buggin

[brazen zodiac]

u bouta make oxi start buggin

💃

[thorn fjord]

Just had lunch and i feel like turd

[brazen zodiac]

watcha eat

[gusty mirage]

sorry 8%

not 4%

4% is 1/2

[thorn fjord]

Let me see if i can get muted

[brazen zodiac]

noo dont do that to them

they woke so hard :C

[spice spire]

Mf orange names really saying “whatcha pushing”

Irl gromnaks

[thorn fjord]

Mcdonalds

[brazen zodiac]

i like getting their 20 mcnugget with honey mustard on a cold sunday

[spice spire]

Batman couldn’t get this out of me

[thorn fjord]

Had a big mac and a 6 piece

[brazen zodiac]

they changed their prices on the 40 mcnugget here :C

[thorn fjord]

So sick of fast food but its just so convenient

[uncut echo]

DonMickalds

[thorn fjord]

Its also super taxed out here @brazen zodiac

[brazen zodiac]

if u have a free day u could make a weeks worth of packed meals w/ chicken and rice and other stuff

[spice spire]

I have 6 pounds of butter chicken and rice in the fridge still

I’ve had like 4 meals of it

[brazen zodiac]

thats what i did for my ex at work cuz spending money on fast food feels bad

like reeaall bad

[thorn fjord]

I'm a weird dude and have a hard time with leftovers

Alot of the time

[brazen zodiac]

i totally get that ngl

[thorn fjord]

So meal prepping is a pain

[storm belfry]

wow i just had a quarter pounder

[spice spire]

Left overs and meal prep diff

[thorn fjord]

Hows your stomach feel

[brazen zodiac]

better question is

[storm belfry]

fine atm, but i will be chillin in the bathroom soon

[brazen zodiac]

are u already in the bathroom

lmao

[storm belfry]

[thorn fjord]

Im about to make my way over there

[storm belfry]

but thats more so cause i eat and finish meals in like 1 minute

[thorn fjord]

I stopped getting soda with it thinking it would help the post lunch feels

But no luck lol

[storm belfry]

yeah i got sick from the food

sick w classic wow

(aka i logged into classic and am playing atm)

[brazen zodiac]

actually

[vestal wren]

i think its a not loud enough, i amped it by 3db

[brazen zodiac]

try ginger ale

if u like it helps with easier digestion

[gusty mirage]

ty sir

[thorn fjord]

bro lmao

That shit still cracks me up

[gusty mirage]

I may or may not have a folder on my desktop labeled "push week"

[brazen zodiac]

@gusty mirage i couldnt hear it at all but i saw push week and instantly knew

[vestal wren]

its a great meme

[brazen zodiac]

get pushed out of the guild BITCH

[thorn fjord]

Fuu fixed it LOL

[gusty mirage]

I just spliced the audio from that meme video

so it compression scuffing

plus I also can't tell how loud things are cause my external DAC makes windows volume kinda useless

[vestal wren]

yep, another +3db

[brazen zodiac]

you know i dont know anything that you said but thanks for reminding me that memed existed

[gaunt moat]

Onyx annulet saved?

[storm belfry]

this is gold

[brazen zodiac]

ima go rewatch it rq

[storm belfry]

where can i subscribe to your content fuu

[brazen zodiac]

only-

[spice spire]

Onlyfuu.com

[thorn fjord]

Um thats Oxi content bud @storm belfry

[vestal wren]

its team work

[thorn fjord]

truuuuu

[storm belfry]

true

[brazen zodiac]

this probably is for the best

[storm belfry]

I am wrong

[gaunt moat]

Fuu is it saved?

[vestal wren]

oxi did extract audio, i make volume sane

[storm belfry]

i was able to download it

[gusty mirage]

fuu a real homie

[storm belfry]

i just used it on someone in another discord

cause they said they are pushing this week

[thorn fjord]

Are there more Raz nerfs going live today?

[vestal wren]

i think the raz nerfs are already in

but the buffs to classes should make everyone stronger

[gusty mirage]

nerf to evoker is large tho

[vestal wren]

and new ring looks jucy

[gusty mirage]

it was super strong on rasz esp

[vestal wren]

evoker nerf was expected

kind of funny it took so long

[storm belfry]

we should celebrate

[gaunt moat]

They're usually lenient with new classes being strong, to get more people to play them

[slate scarab]

Seeing all these buffs and nothing for sin rogues is rough. They were so quick to nerf the spec in the beginning when it was doing well.

[spice spire]

[vestal wren]

it is all part of the master plan

we will get world domination in 10.1

[thorny pond]

What world?

[thorn fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/animaniacs-the-brain-were-taking-over-the-world-taking-over-the-world-world-domination-gif-24435867

[gusty mirage]

let's settle for talent fixes before we worry about world domination

[vale shore]

are rogues one of the classes not excited about the ring or do we get to use it and have fun?

[echo heath]

11.0*

[thorn fjord]

OL is

[storm belfry]

when will we know how good the ring is for us w these buffs?

[gusty mirage]

it'll replace cos ring

or be about even with it

[gaunt moat]

Every week sin is bottom of overall DPS is another 1% buff we'll get.

[gusty mirage]

idk I'm too lazy to re-run the sims for assassination

I just wait for whispyr or fuu to do it

[vestal wren]

they could still buff the ring by some more

[gusty mirage]

[vestal wren]

i just wait for raidbots to update

[thorn fjord]

Surely theres a ring or torch in my box today

SURELY

[gusty mirage]

who's Shirley?

[thorn fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/scared-fainted-shocked-gif-8304597

[storm belfry]

temple

[thorn fjord]

Its been so long since ive seen that movie

Should do that this weekend

[gusty mirage]

are you guys happy

you get me for at least one more tier

[storm belfry]

yeah

[thorn fjord]

I am

[storm belfry]

i was sad you were leaving

as I am coming over

[brazen zodiac]

👍

[gusty mirage]

you say that now

[thorn fjord]

Kinda knew it wasnt gonna happen but i'll just keep that to myself

Oh wait

https://tenor.com/view/giggles-gif-26049387

[gusty mirage]

I mean

you better thank the fine people at < Stay Mad > on A52

if they didn't reach out

[thorn fjord]

We love having you around so its a treat for all of us

[gusty mirage]

it was a donezo moment

[storm belfry]

I hope they appreciate you as much as we do

[gusty mirage]

I got to speak with their officers

very awesome people

[echo heath]

did you tell them you only play outlaw rogue and refuse to switch?

[gusty mirage]

no

[brazen zodiac]

he left that part out in the interview

[grim tangle]

did you lie to them and tell them you're willing to play all 3 specs

[uncut echo]

We a52 homies now?

[thorny pond]

Go to new guild interview
Lie about all 3 specs ability, gloss over the fact you pretend to TC and know what will be best
OTP Sin and refuse to play sub
Don't get benched because roster issues

[gusty mirage]

it wasn't a lie tho

I was honest, I prefer assassination but can play sub and outlaw to a respectable level

[gaunt moat]

but will you

[gusty mirage]

yes

I will play whatever is best for that fight

as long as boss dies

I'm happy

[grim tangle]

oh I see they're reading this...

we're speaking in code

[vague widget]

I just need a new guild since the one I was in exploded 😂. So happy to hear you found something.

[gusty mirage]

no code here

I'd rather play in traffic than play outlaw

but if I have to play outlaw, I'll suck it up and play it

[vestal wren]

also subtlety gameplay is nice

[gusty mirage]

ya sub grew on me a lot

[grim tangle]

yes I too would play outlaw, if I had a weapon, unfortunate it never dropped

[gusty mirage]

I just wish you didn't have to sacrifice thousands of dps for basic movement

it's kind of fucking annoying tbh

[vestal wren]

outlaw/sub moment

[gusty mirage]

2min sprint and 1 charge of step

on the spec that could sprint on water

[storm belfry]

I am bad at sub but i like the sound effects

[gusty mirage]

and always had 2 charges

is super cringe

[sour wraith]

And was immune to fall damage

[vestal wren]

haha

[gusty mirage]

the good ol' days

of flying to the top of the skybox and free falling

[sour wraith]

I miss em 😦

[gusty mirage]

[vestal wren]

tbh

we tried

every dev cycle to keep it or get it back

[gusty mirage]

idk why improved sprint is even a talent

we've had 1 minute sprint for literally fucking ever

[earnest remnant]

also gets you closer to me

[red tinsel]

Same here. Just wish we could swap Shuriken for Shadow Daggers

[vestal wren]

not sure what the internal direction is, but they seem to be not liking the idea

[red tinsel]

If only a glyph could be made....

[sour wraith]

It was actually an r2 ability for sprint

[vestal wren]

(talking about no fall damage)

[sour wraith]

So while leveling you'd start out with 2 min and get 1 min later

[gusty mirage]

no fall damage was so sick

[gaunt moat]

need to waste your points somehow

[gusty mirage]

ya

our entire class tree just seems like they couldn't think of anything else

[gray crest]

We already waste 4 points on nodes that don't work

[gusty mirage]

so they just took away all our base shit and threw it on there

with seemingly zero thought in mind

and then had to make a decision between movement/utility & damage

and who in their right mind would ever take the movement/utility over damage

[gaunt moat]

@gray crest yeah but the sprint thing is a waste by design.

[vestal wren]

think even tho the tree is meh

it ended up kinda good

[gusty mirage]

it's a very good first draft

for sure

[red tinsel]

We're lucky Sin and Sub have similar stats

[vestal wren]

because we use diffrent talent setups on all 3

[gusty mirage]

but man it needs help

[true rapids]

at least sub can get some aoe without going balls deep in the tree, I wish assa was the same

[red tinsel]

But Outlaw, ugh I love the concept, but hate having 2 sets.

[gusty mirage]

you can get aoe without going balls deep in the tree

[vestal wren]

ofc it sucks that subtlety lost most of the utility

[sour wraith]

I'd love to have the leggo dagger effect in the tree somewhere, I just think it's neat

[gusty mirage]

the problem is fok is a piece of shit ability

and CT also sucks

[vestal wren]

and outlaw is still with trade offs

[red tinsel]

Leggo dagger or sylv dagger?

[true rapids]

which also sucks cus they are building it into the set bonus next tier

[orchid spear]

i just changed to Nelf, and meld is sometimes not taking me out of combat - what's up with that?

[gray crest]

I'd like outlaw more if the keep it rolling build was better.

[red tinsel]

Not sure what was the effect of Fangs

[sour wraith]

Cata daggers

[gusty mirage]

I love how their solution to fixing sub's lack of build diversity

was to ruin outlaw and assassination's

[sour wraith]

Sylv could work too but it didn't change playstyle

[gusty mirage]

now you're just like "k none of the specs have build diversity ig"

[earnest remnant]

one glove fits all

[red tinsel]

I'd love that as a capstone poison on the Rogue tree

[storm belfry]

i wish all our stat prios were the same

[gusty mirage]

I don't want to play dragon tempered blades

but I also don't want to lose 5% damage

sucks for me ig

[storm belfry]

I already hate losing like 16k ST running m+ talents

[red tinsel]

Let's make Blizz rework Outlaw mastery

[gray crest]

Please, I have to much mastery rn to go outlaw

[gusty mirage]

don't you have to worry about killing rasz a second time?

[sour wraith]

Make it affect rtb or something, increase the %s of each buff or something

[gray crest]

True

[red tinsel]

On sub I think I got up to 54% Mastery, I can't perform for shit on Outlaw

[spice spire]

[gusty mirage]

Why is that toxic

[spice spire]

[gusty mirage]

He does?

[gray crest]

The best response would've been "don't you have to worry about your trial"

[earnest remnant]

nah he has to worry about nightmares about cocaine bear

[red tinsel]

I'm slightly disappointed the next raid tier doesn't have an epic dagger with effects, reminiscent of Fangs of the Father

Warriors and Hunter (again) get their new toys, but all other classes just have to suck it up.

Because Jaythis, Jailer Mace, and now Ashkandur is OK; bow and pole arms for hunter two raids in a row is OK

But heavens forbid we have a fun dagger once per expansion

[kindred rapids]

Nothing gets people more riled up than rogues being good

[red tinsel]

Sad we are WoW's most hated class

[vale shore]

maybe its all the stabbings?

stealing things?

cheating?

speculative market practices?

[gusty mirage]

for sure this one

[vale shore]

the Rogues of Wallstreet

[thorn fjord]

Tale of two rogues

[red tinsel]

People complain about Rogues mostly because of PvP, so Blizz will inevitably balance rogues around that.

Even though PvP has been drying up through time and they don't give any development time fully dedicated to it, Rogues must forever be bound to it

[storm onyx]

I want to be able to pick pocket friends

[red tinsel]

We don't help our cause

[spice spire]

Speculative market practices? Trust me when I say, invest in anvil gaming stocks

Buffs have been mined

[near valley]

still probs meh i'd reckon

[spice spire]

We held too long brethren

[thorny pond]

Someone has to hold the bag

[red tinsel]

Where do you see that?

[spice spire]

Wowhead

Buffs to the ring

[red tinsel]

Ohhh its already out

[spice spire]

[wind condor]

With the 25% buff to those rings

Is thundering the play?

[wind condor]

The nature damage one

[flint tusk]

literally saw they have buffed some stones and i ran straight to here xD

[wind condor]

Hahahahaha 25% to most of them

[flint tusk]

come on NA beta testers sort it out for us EU boys what the best ones are now 😛

[spice spire]

Let’s maybe wait a bit before we ask “what’s BiS” especially for you Eu mfs

We don’t even have live for 5 hours

[keen aurora]

I need to know what's BIS 3 hours before servers are up c'mon let's go

[copper hazel]

You're BiS @spice spire and dont let anyone tell you otherwise

[spice spire]

Joke’s on you, I tell myself otherwise daily

[gaunt moat]

@spice spireI'mma just say, i called it +5% outlaw and +0% sin
and if that's true, you take that complaint accusation back 🥸

[flint tusk]

excuses bro

[spice spire]

I will not

[red tinsel]

Tbh I think it's kinda good to have something like that on the end of a season, not to be carried over. Just some fun overpowered mechanic to play with until 10.1

[spice spire]

Less doom more

[copper hazel]

yeh im fine with end of season stuff

[uncut echo]

DoomBot

[thorny pond]

Melandrus is BiS

[uncut echo]

Triggered

[thorny pond]

🦥

[uncut echo]

I have returned to sweep

[spice spire]

[thorny pond]

I just wanna fish

[spice spire]

I just wanna tank man

[thorny pond]

Go be your best DK you can be

I see a roster spot right here:

[spice spire]

Nah I don’t wanna raid tank

[thorny pond]

raid tanks get no bitches but they get gear

gear gets keys, keys get IO, IO gets

[spice spire]

I bullied our tanks this tier ngl

Last to get tier set

[thorny pond]

HoF for alliance is full lol

[spice spire]

Huge

[thorny pond]

343 raz pulls oof

[uncut echo]

As it should be

[true basalt]

I got a question about aoe situations with like 8+ mobs (like the algethar pull). I dont need to apply garotte and rupture to everyone one of them, right?

[spice spire]

Ic kinda busted for this

But in general you want to place as many as possible (at least for scent) while maintaining CT in the process

If you ic you’re just ct spamming tho

[storm belfry]

did you see what i said i do earleir quake?

was wanting feedback

[spice spire]

About fishing for PB?

And then once Pb cting?

[storm belfry]

yeah if little movement i tab tar envenom slam

[subtle kiln]

@spice spire do you have new rings sims done yet?

[storm belfry]

if moving i ct spam

[spice spire]

Idm slamming envenom if there’s a prio target

Or if it’s bolstering etc.
Branching decisions but don’t like to make it a rule. Also depends on group size

[spice spire]

[subtle kiln]

[strange python]

https://tenor.com/view/mine-finding-nemo-mine-mine-mine-thats-mine-lulugifs-gif-20827668

[storm belfry]

i tab target enven

[strange python]

sims?

[storm belfry]

to get use of the poison stack thing'

[spice spire]

[storm belfry]

or w/e it is

[spice spire]

Again depending on pull count, could be fine, but envenom is something I don’t really do on packs until the end, personally

[storm belfry]

idk ive done both in aa and the outcome is the same

[spice spire]

If the damage is good, the dam is good

[storm belfry]

unbless pb procs too much

[uncut echo]

Imagine

Spec fixed if envenom cleaved

[storm belfry]

imagine 8 pbs going off cause of ic rupture

[spice spire]

Spec fixed because ct damage from tier set

Trust

[hallow token]

re: primordial stones: Thinking maybe storm infused? Maybe pestilent plague? Freezing Ice was interesting but it is bad luck to mess with a tank's pull plan. Don't mind waiting for the eventual BiS updates on Wowhead from Whispyr.

[spice spire]

Probably best to wait - I do not think they’ve been implemented at a buffed place

Once they are, it’s pretty easy to sim

[gaunt moat]

gonna take a week to get them anyway afaik

[sudden canyon]

extra long maintenance to account for the last minute sin buff i presume

[uncut echo]

Nope

:)

[spice spire]

You mfs oding on cope today

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/homer-simpson-end-near-bell-gif-13990251

[vale shore]

so is this new ring desirable for assassin rogues or are we just chasing regular high-ilvl rings still?

[gaunt moat]

Don't worry, we've gas-lit blizz into buffing ring with bad sims.
now it's actually gonna be insane.

[red tinsel]

Hey at least we're not unholy

[red tinsel]

With the 25% buff announced today, I'd say - Maybe.

Got to wait for the sims

[wicked quartz]

i wonder if "Pestilent Plague Stone: Dealing damage has a chance to infect the target with a plague that spreads to nearby enemies, dealing (143 * 9) Nature damage over 9 sec." works w/ Lethal does as its a nature dot

[vale shore]

I think lethal dose specifies rogue abilities

[strange python]

How long does it take to get the ring

[flint tusk]

i mean. it does say
"Your"

[storm belfry]

oxi said it may be equal to or replace cos ring

iirc from earlier

[flint tusk]

and it does say nature over time effects. so probably need a sim to confirm or deny that

[vale shore]

COS ring is like, a racial ability, I think it even does less than entropic embrace

[north basin]

we have already 2 rings with special power. i dont like the idea of third ring...

[flint tusk]

honestly i want this new ring to be better than anything except eranogs ring.
As i've had really shit luck with the other rings

[strange python]

Well. It was already very close to our bis ring, which required you to get it out of vault

I would guess that the new ring was likely like, 0.1% better than 415 signet anyways

[sudden canyon]

if it better than eranog ima be salty coz i just spent money on a cowl.

[strange python]

Hotfix makes it better. And afaik it's much easier to get

There's 0% chance it's even remotely competitive with eranog ring.

It will replace either melandrus or brood ring

[spice spire]

Cowl still best either way

[north basin]

need to be like +3% at least !

[spice spire]

It’ll be hard to beat eggnog

[vale shore]

with a fire proc it makes it go with an eranog ring...

[flint tusk]

yeh cowl and ring will still be better due ot the free damage

[strange python]

The fire proc on the ring is bad

Cowl+eranog ring is an absolutely insane amount of damage.

[vale shore]

well its 25% less bad now!

[strange python]

Even with the terrible stats on eranog ring.

Last I checked, the new ring was basically even with a 421 melandrus

So, if you didn't get lucky in vault, this was already gonna be better. Hotfix just makes it second bis

[vale shore]

probably what ill pull from my vault today then

[strange python]

But also, this tier is over in like 7 weeks

So if doesn't matter much

200 dps ain't gonna make the difference in prog or logs

[flint tusk]

i'm interested how you got to the conclusion that the ring fire proc is bad when it's 1.5% overall damage for free

[strange python]

It's been simmed substantially. It hasn't been good in any of the sims I've seen.

[flint tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/what-why-huh-steve-harvey-confused-gif-17449734

[slow marsh]

Hey guys does any of the new stuff fix sin aoe

[gaunt moat]

@keen spruce are you still alive

[vague widget]

I see the bait.

[near valley]

Sin needs Jesus

[pseudo hamlet]

The perfection doesn't need to be fixed.

• Blizzard probably thinking about Assa

[slow marsh]

Oh you mean to tell me it's another patch where other specs get varying degrees of nice things and we get nothing? Nice

[near valley]

not a lot of specs got anything massive for this patch

[gaunt moat]

DH doesn't get anything either.

[near valley]

most of the big ones was Palas, Locks and Hunters

[uncut echo]

Hunter Omega

[near valley]

imagine farming a bow just to get it changed kek

[dark token]

Still don't have it

[keen spruce]

oh this was at the bottom of the 1000 messages i had to scroll through

yeah i'm alive o7

just been playin HC classic

[crude sinew]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[main vessel]

Assassination Rogue has been updated to support 10.0.7 on WoWAnalyzer when logs for 10.0.7 start later this evening.
As always, feel free to @ me with suggestions/questions or bully Whispyr into telling me.

[thorny pond]

we up

[storm belfry]

servers UP

NA

this means you will get one too @thorn fjord

[spice spire]

Thank you sir, I really appreciate all that you do

[thorn fjord]

Grats!!!

[unreal bear]

it's something i guess

[grim tangle]

so do we know if this is good or not yet

[vestal wren]

you can sim it

[grim tangle]

somebody said something about mutilate not giving stacks in sims, so the sims were not accurate

has that been fixed

[thorn fjord]

@spice spire open DK or rogue first?

[vestal wren]

i think it was fixed, i remember koji talking about it

[spice spire]

Dk

[thorn fjord]

kk here goes

[subtle tundra]

Where is ptr news 📰

[vestal wren]

servers are up, why do we care about ptr

[thorn fjord]

Pretty sure i take torch

I'll sim and figure this out later

THERE HAS TO BE A RING ON MY ROGUE

[storm belfry]

there is brother

otherwise i am a thief

[winter gale]

Lariat nerf incoming in .07 or .1?

[spice spire]

For sure a torch angle

[spice spire]

.1

[winter gale]

Do we by any chance know what will then be alternative or it maybe stays our top choice?

Im passing necks 24/7 😄

[spice spire]

Won’t know until 10.1

Not worth caring until then

[thorn fjord]

Another torch

Actually not mad tho

I'll take it

Torch is actually a higher increase than ring on sub i think

[vestal wren]

not bad vault tho

[spice spire]

Torch plus bracers

Damn

[thorn fjord]

Yeah its solid

[night delta]

Anyone got intel on how long it would take approximatively to farm the new gems to max rank ? (assuming you don't get particularly lucky in looting them)

[storm belfry]

cant you just choose which ones you want? or did i misread

[night delta]

you loot random ones, and you can dismantle them for parts to craft targeted ones

[winter gale]

Diurna Dagger + Fenryr 421 dagger is better combo than 2xDiurna ones?ž

[thorn fjord]

1.7% increase with torch in sub

ST

🙂

[night delta]

spicy

[thorn fjord]

only .3 in sin but we still take those

Last re-clear tonight

one more chance @gray crest

[winter gale]

from 411 to 424 torch is 1.3% for me

But .2 from 421 Icon

[gray crest]

I'm gonna get it tonight, solely cause we finished the tier yesterday

[winter gale]

Gz on CE

[thorn fjord]

Better late than never boo

yeah grats on CE my dude

[gray crest]

We were gaming last night. Took 2 pulls

[junior bough]

Can someone tell me if the new ring is disabled in instanced pvp? I wish it would only work in pve and outdoor content. Thanks guys.

[thorn fjord]

STILL SO HIGH 😦

[elfin crystal]

so is this ring thing any good?

[thorn fjord]

For OL its looking decent

[misty holly]

The vault has blessed me this week. It's about time.

[thorn fjord]

Bro you cant react to posts in the DK discord

And they have a hard set 30s timer for posting in chat

Savages

[storm belfry]

are they even that active

[misty holly]

We're lucky that no one plays rogues so this discord is pretty slow.

[slim pebble]

I have 421 HoV dagger and this in my vault. No idea how I'm picking

[misty holly]

Whysper would say to sim it. I would just take the stupid ring because I've been wearing a flaming cowl for like 8 weeks now without even having the fire ring and it's been pissing me off lol

[deft vault]

When i go ionto the vault for the first time do i wanna use all m y keys?

[storm belfry]

i did

[strange python]

How long does it actually take to get and upgrade this ring

[storm belfry]

you get the ring

p quick

[strange python]

I know you need a total of 6 of those JC things to upgrade the gems, which I assume isn't super common yet as a pattern.

Seems like a problem for next week's raid instead of tonight

[strange python]

Ring easy. 421 dagger isnt gonna be that much bigger than 418 crafted. But the ring is gonna be 2% better than any other ring you could get

[lucid mirage]

So grieftorch is simming like 3k less in aoe vs controlled current, am I wrong to think that is super wrong

[misty holly]

In AoE you are energy capped so there is never a good time to grieftorch without overcapping

[slim pebble]

I have normal mode ring and yeah its simming a lot higher

[misty holly]

SO yeah that might be right

[strange python]

I have heroic and it's +800 to get mythic. It's an insane ring.

[spice spire]

Seems wrong. Grief sims also don’t account for reset tbf

[strange python]

I'm pretty sure going from even 418 to 424 dagger was about 950 for me, so similar and 3 ilvl higher

[slim pebble]

Oh shit I'm in the wrong channel 😂. Either way a dps upgrade is a dps upgrade. It sims higher than the dagger in every situation

It's not that much bigger. But it is more

[storm belfry]

[thorn fjord]

#assassination is NEVER the wrong channel

Lariat wont make those gems proc will it?

[strange python]

What ilvl is your current dagger? I'd be surprised if going from 418 to 421 was more than 500

[storm belfry]

how do i sim the gems w thing ring

[slim pebble]

I currently have 418/415. I think the only reason the sims are reasonably close is because my OH is bad stats

[storm belfry]

dont see an option

[strange python]

You could hopefully fix that with a spark too

[slim pebble]

And can't crafted weapons go to 421 in like a month? Yeah I gotta take ring

[copper hazel]

try 2 months

[strange python]

Are they making crafted items go higher ilvl? Or is that next patch?.

[copper hazel]

its somewhere in the 10.1 info, i think

[thorn fjord]

My guildies are dick heads with too much time on their hand @gray crest

[copper hazel]

thats a nice lil chatGPT short story right there

[thorn fjord]

Yeah lol

Said the first one had me throw the ring in a lava pit inside a mountain

I guess ChatGPT is a Tolkien fan

[copper hazel]

[uncut echo]

LMFAO

[storm belfry]

wtf is this tree

[glossy galleon]

what stones do we want?

[copper hazel]

Deez

[glossy galleon]

hehe

[night delta]

The sim says : Echoing Thunder Stone / Freezing Ice Stone / Humming Arcane Stone

[thorn fjord]

@storm belfry everybody in #assassination this week

[night delta]

BUT

[copper hazel]

its in #tc-research

[night delta]

a lot of them are not yet implemented in the sims

For now i'm very cautious about that because of the Gleaming Iron stone, which is NYI

going by its tooltip, if it works the same way as the signet, it could be very very strong

cuz that AA bonus is huge compared to the melandrus ring

and that would be on top of two other strong gems

[copper hazel]

trash stone, stops me stutter stepping like a madman to maintain APM

[glossy galleon]

true

the thunder stone is from nature yeah?

[night delta]

surely you can stand still for 3 seconds every 25 seconds

[copper hazel]

absolutely not

AV last boss is a nightmare for me

(but yes, i could)

[restive spire]

finally got mythic eranog ring just in time to farm parses :^)

[balmy condor]

It’s also missing like 900 stat

[glossy galleon]

yeha i wish it had stats

[copper hazel]

should have been a gem with stats on it

[night delta]

yeah of course, I was just saying that this NYI gem seems tailored for melee users just like the melandrus ring, and seeing as now the annulet + 3 max gems is supposedly better than it...

[balmy condor]

It should’ve been a fkin catchup mechanic

[night delta]

it's raid progress catchup :p

[vestal wren]

kinda is still for assassination

ring loses value with more targets

so its kinda only a minor upgrade on st, what makes it to a degree optional

[echo heath]

so if they fix the fire proc we will be dropping cowl it looks like

[forest chasm]

Does the fire proc not work properly or is there another reason why we won't use that?

[storm belfry]

ladies and gentleman. it is indeed a good day for me

M eranog ring in vault and just now won H boon in a pug roll

[thorn fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/dance-party-dancing-dancing-baby-dance-party-gif-21224302

[languid pier]

any dps chart for the upcoming patch ?

or is to early yet?

[echo heath]

They haven't even completed sims on the ring, i would imagine it will be a minute for class sims

[storm belfry]

just know I am ascending aka catching up

[restive falcon]

idk which rings to roll for first

[viscid spear]

I have a Mythic Eggnog ring as a FroMage, not good.

[storm belfry]

[viscid spear]

I don't need that much Vers

[deft vault]

To upgrade our gems is it a work order to a jc ?

[viscid spear]

Gems can't be upgraded? Or are the new ones upgradeable?

[deft vault]

They are upgradable

the new one

[viscid spear]

I've been at work all day

[storm belfry]

Hope you get off work soon

[viscid spear]

I'm in a hurry to get home so I can pick tokens in my Vault and then not farm the new ring because it's awful for me.

[velvet ridge]

pinned message when saying what stones to take

[thorn fjord]

@viscid spear Huge GV waiting for you

[limber lion]

@gusty mirage

[gusty mirage]

you can get duplicate gems

10/10 system

[storm belfry]

damn

i dont think i got dupes

but i basically stopped once i saw its not a buff lmao

[night delta]

seeing as you can scrap gems for parts to make new ones, it's not that surprising

[marble hemlock]

cant you scrap them to craft others?

[slender trail]

that's fine - you want dupes so you can scrap

[gusty mirage]

no clue

[marble hemlock]

yeah

psure thats the point

scrap until you get hte ones you want

[lusty surge]

Sin doesn't have anything that amps the ring dmg right? Just the buffs were enough to make it bis?

[gusty mirage]

how do you even scrap

[night delta]

and scrap some more for upgrades

[slender trail]

right next to the vendor (do the quest to get the anvil and whatever else)

and when you walk up to the anvil and whatever else you get a special action button to scrap/desocket, etc

[night delta]

item dmg usually is unaffected by class kits

only thing that modifies it are secondary stats

[lusty surge]

I thought OL and sub amped it

[night delta]

haste for procrate, crit for crit chance, vers for raw dmg

[lusty surge]

Which is why it was better for them

[night delta]

there might be an exception for the ring idk

[subtle tundra]

wtf are those

[night delta]

but the general rule is that they are completely a separate thing

[lusty surge]

True

But I think stuff like veiltouched from sub works on items

For whatever reason

[unreal bear]

is that bis compared to melandrus ring or eranog

[night delta]

slightly ahead on melandrus with the right gem setup, in ST

when gems fully upgraded

though some gems are not yet simmable, so the extent of the effect is not completely mapped out

[fallow canopy]

Obscure pastel is from which element?

[storm belfry]

Assa still doesn’t use this ring yeah?

[thorn fjord]

Yee

[storm belfry]

[drifting cosmos]

10.1 sin rework

[limber walrus]

arcane

[fallow canopy]

ty

[gusty mirage]

?????

lol

[storm belfry]

Oxi no

Are you telling me I have to farm it

[shut owl]

have to? probably not

[uncut echo]

if I say anyone say have to

[spice spire]

Yes

[uncut echo]

bc of the ring

Im entering my Joker arc

[shut owl]

I really don't want to run echoing thunder XD

[fallow canopy]

I'm assuming storm infused is from the nature side no?

[spice spire]

It’s a loss in Dslice tho

Legit like only a gain in st

Do it for the Terros parse

[uncut echo]

Stop this madness

[balmy condor]

Anyone wanna give me some electricity

[spice spire]

Bro again?

[uncut echo]

on it rn

Routing 200 to your house as we speak

just yours

[storm belfry]

Oh if it’s bad for keys I’ll pass

That’s all you had to say

[strange python]

Um, could someone tell me which rotations should I use pre-70? (Gonna buy DF after farming some legacy raids and stuff) For now I've been using:

AoE:
Garrote on everyone from stealth (no CD)
Fan to generate combo
Crimson tempest
/repeat

ST:
Garrote
Muti to generate combo
Rapture
Crimson tempest
Envenom
/repeat

[spice spire]

#tc-research message

[uncut echo]

Your rotation doesn't really matter while levelling

[spice spire]

Here’s the whole ass list for now

[uncut echo]

but you pretty much nailed it

[balmy condor]

I mean maintain bleeds dump with envenom

GG

Sin braindead spec

[spice spire]

True

[storm belfry]

Wow

[spice spire]

Also maintain snd via cttc

[storm belfry]

I hate outlaw

[uncut echo]

Once you hit 70 tho, there's a really well made FAQ to help you learn the ropes and slam!

[spice spire]

So like. Envenom when snd about to run out

[balmy condor]

Cooldowns on cooldown

[spice spire]

Outside of that ur laughing

[balmy condor]

[storm belfry]

A gain in dslice AND ST

Smh

[uncut echo]

bruh

handrolled pierogies

and kielbasa

for dinner

[shut owl]

yum

[spice spire]

The only kielbasa I want is @balmy condor

[balmy condor]

We’re looking at Home Depot stock for 5kw generators grubber you can have the kielbasa later

[shut owl]

gleaming iron stone simming so low makes me sad when it has bigger number than Melandrus

[spice spire]

Do you know what the fuck is actually happening

That’s like

[balmy condor]

That one’s not yet implemented in sims

So

Will sim bad

[balmy condor]

https://tenor.com/view/it-fucken-wimdy-its-fucking-gif-24928261

[shut owl]

ohhh

ty whispyr

[storm belfry]

Thanks to NO STATS

[spice spire]

[storm belfry]

[marble hemlock]

hahahaha

[uncut echo]

bonk the wind

[shut owl]

whaddaya mean? its got STAM out the whazoo

[storm belfry]

We are tanks now ig

[shut owl]

thats a big number, the STAM

slap on 3 shield gems

unkillable evasion tanks

[storm belfry]

To be fair it will help me tank that knockbaxk add on AA

I’ve tanked it before on my rogue but maybe now I won’t need to use a health pot

[spice spire]

Wdym that’s what cloak is for

[storm belfry]

I mean like aggro tank it

Actually tank it

When the tank is flown off

[spice spire]

Skill issue tbh

L tank

Just death’s advance

[storm belfry]

We killed it w/o them

Idr what tank it was. I just remember saving that pull

[thorn fjord]

Damn I didn’t see that @gusty mirage

Fuck now I gotta get it

Rip

[gusty mirage]

suffer with me

[spice spire]

Funneling this shit to quakethree

[balmy condor]

Funneling my willpower to lift the fallen trees off all the power lines in a 10 mile radius with my mind

(I do not have telekinesis)

[thorn fjord]

Snow storm?

[balmy condor]

Snow in Cali?

I laugh

[thorn fjord]

Northern Cali got a ton of snow last month didn’t they?

[balmy condor]

Wind just blew a little

[balmy condor]

Yeah but no one lives there

[thorn fjord]

Ah

[gusty mirage]

if your play your cards right, so do I

@spice spire helpme

[spice spire]

It’s time to stop

[balmy condor]

People live in the yellow, the pink is where it snows

If you aren’t in the yellow you’re either a redneck, a migrant farmer, or a yeti in Tahoe preying on clueless hikers

[royal lantern]

where are you again whisp

[balmy condor]

I’m the blue dot

[royal lantern]

my big brother is in san diego in 2weeks

[thorn fjord]

My mans whispyr drew a dick and two boobs

[balmy condor]

Yes sir

[gilded oasis]

I live there and have power. Gitgud

[balmy condor]

Ah! A yeti!

[gilded oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/dance-dancing-running-man-groove-yeti-gif-11708320

[storm belfry]

You are a completion whore?

[empty dawn]

You too huh? I had to ditch my car a few blocks out to get home, tree in the road

Just to find out, no surprise, no power

[balmy condor]

[spice spire]

Damn dogs

What kind of fucking wind are you guys dealing with

[empty dawn]

[gilded oasis]

Im going to a concert tonight but we can have a lan party at my house

[spice spire]

Mf ragnarok in cali

[unreal bear]

getting these stones kind of a pain in the ass

[spice spire]

Wait that’s it

[balmy condor]

Yes sir

[spice spire]

[balmy condor]

And like

[spice spire]

What the actual fuck

[balmy condor]

Maybe a gust or two

Bro okay

You know how Texas

Has no power

When it’s warm

But also when it’s cold

[spice spire]

Or when it’s cold

Yeah

[balmy condor]

That’s California when there’s a light drizzle and a firm breeze

[autumn frost]

Woot, no mythic eranog ring, but I did get a 421 whispering incarnate icon to drop in vault.

[spice spire]

Mfs need some hecking windmills

[autumn frost]

!sims

[prisma monolith]

Simulations:
Herodamage: https://www.herodamage.com/rogue/
Bloodmallet: https://bloodmallet.com/index.html

[empty dawn]

Yeah, especially when you’re in a wooded area like I am. Even moderate wind can dunk you lol

[autumn frost]

!whisper

!spreadsheet

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[gilded oasis]

Yeah but is it an actual power outage or did pge turn off the power so they don't start more fires with wind

[spice spire]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[balmy condor]

Actual outage

[empty dawn]

In my case it’s downed lines

[gilded oasis]

Ah okay

[autumn frost]

For the sims is the grieftorch mythic quality?

[spice spire]

Yes

For bis sims everything is max ilvl

[autumn frost]

Got'cha.

Time to bring out the old adage. Sim myself

[leaden bloom]

Is the new anulet ring good with the buffs?

[balmy condor]

It’s 0.7% in single target

So for like the typical 415 valored melandrus

Probably 1% upgrade

[leaden bloom]

is there an easy way to sim the ring?

[arctic iris]

what type of stone is the Obscure Pastel Stone

[balmy condor]

Not that I know of

[autumn frost]

So 411 grieftorch is outsimming a 421 whispering incarnate icon when I don't have a tank and healer with me.

In patchwork.

[restive spire]

is there any other spec in the game that the doesnt want to use the ring or did we get shafted hard

[storm belfry]

still shit for boomie

its somehow good for feral tho

[balmy condor]

It’s like a 4% loss for devoker

It’s horrendously bad for them

375 world quest rings are better apparently or something

[shut owl]

Nothing beats their mastery value

Devoker is a strange spec for having so few buttons... But also needing a live spreadsheet to determine when to use cds :p

[feral rivet]

0.1% increase over old bis setup apparently

[storm belfry]

yeah i didnt look at the numebrs they just answered yes lol

[feral rivet]

Considering its a lot easier to get than eranog+diurna rings at 421+430 its definitely more than 0.1% for most cats tho

[gusty mirage]

@spice spire

[spice spire]

From leaving wow to grinding “content” day 1

[gusty mirage]

revitalized

ya feel me

[formal ore]

bro wtf

how

so fast lol

[unreal bear]

idk how

[ebon notch]

sure which part of you

[unreal bear]

i got literally everything other than those

[thorn fjord]

Love to see it

[thorn fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/1inch-1inch-exchange-1inch-dex-defi-crypto-gif-24853025

[uncut echo]

oh dear god

[uncut echo]

420 nice

dab

[oak sky]

[gray crest]

@thorn fjord i got a ring

just not the eggnog ring

[storm belfry]

how'd ya do it so quick

[restive spire]

how do you get around inside the vault to other doors lol

nvm

[dark token]

Doesn't this take a lot of upgrading, how is it 420 already :(

[gusty mirage]

built diffy idk

[storm belfry]

Actually true

[fallow canopy]

anyone knows if simbot is updated for the gems and shit?

[gusty mirage]

yes

[fallow canopy]

aight thanks

[gusty mirage]

[formal ore]

can i trust dungeon slice simulations or should i do that complex dungeon route things

[oak sky]

its been shown that they have similar results for gear and talent choice

but technically dungeon route would be more accurate to the specific dungeon

[formal ore]

oh ok

thanks

[balmy condor]

will grind this but won't log into maplestory nice

[gusty mirage]

[oak sky]

this is what passion looks like

[gusty mirage]

5 more keys

and I opened every single door

wtf is wrong with me

[oak sky]

so is this grind fun

[gusty mirage]

I mean

it's easy player power

[oak sky]

no it cant be a gray area

i need my opinion to be objectively correct

[gusty mirage]

I don't think its terrible

[drifting cloud]

nerd

think we arent raiding thursday because of ptr anyways so maybe I get them before monday

[gusty mirage]

wait until I tell you I just got enough fragments for a 424 ring

[oak sky]

im supposed to memorize the title of 60 artworks

one of them is

cut with the kitchen knife dada through the last wiemar beer-belly cultural epoch in germany

[drifting cloud]

that doesnt tell me anything because I have no clue how the ring works

[oak sky]

that describes me

all i know is you go farm it

and you get the shards

[gusty mirage]

get the gems either through looting or gamba

[oak sky]

when you farm it

[gusty mirage]

then you need 10 fragments you loot + 25 silken gemdust

[drifting cloud]

how long have servers been up, have you been farming since?

[gusty mirage]

and you get the upgrade

servers been up since like 3ish EST

I finished work around 4:30

[drifting cloud]

is that 4h

fucking timezones and now dst ontop of it

[unreal bear]

how gamba

[dark token]

In 1 day? Did you do all the vaults or something?

[unreal bear]

i've got 45 fragments

i dont even know what to do with them

[dark token]

Isn't this turbo rng to get the 3 bis gems out of 25

I thought we'd be farming for weeks

[oak sky]

can you reroll them

cant

[dark token]

You can even get dupes can't you?

[unreal bear]

yep

[dark token]

Idk how it works I'm eu

[unreal bear]

i got a few

[gray crest]

@gusty mirage dagger dropped

https://tenor.com/view/kekwtf-gif-18599263

[gusty mirage]

no but I opened 25 of the 30 available already

[gusty mirage]

[drifting cloud]

from .. the vault? or is it raid time already

[gusty mirage]

they're raiding rn

[oak sky]

they extended

[gusty mirage]

extended what

we killed rasz yesterday

[gray crest]

theres a penis joke there somewhere

[oak sky]

i meant last week

extended last week

so no vualt

vault

[gusty mirage]

oh

yeah

@drifting cloud they just killed brood

[oak sky]

ru raiding this week oxi

[gusty mirage]

lucky #7 was the dagger drop

ya

I start in 7 minutes

[oak sky]

[drifting cloud]

7 wasnt lucky for me

clearly 8

[gusty mirage]

the guy who was making my upgrade thign for the gems is in raid

so stuck at 422

until that guy finishes raid

[oak sky]

you have to upgrade the ring gems

another gold cost

[gusty mirage]

2x per gem

[oak sky]

i should quit again i think

[gusty mirage]

this guy did it for 1k per upgrade

[drifting cloud]

so its a jc thing?

[gusty mirage]

it's not that bad

ya

[oak sky]

i cant afford that

[drifting cloud]

shut up and do the gold wqs

[gusty mirage]

token time homie

lmao

[oak sky]

no time

[gusty mirage]

its gonna go down in price

[oak sky]

maybe next week

[drifting cloud]

you have time to shitpost

[gusty mirage]

cause

it's first day

[oak sky]

im mid studying

[gusty mirage]

and it's 1k

lol

[drifting cloud]

study mid wqs

[gusty mirage]

do the weekly

weekly gives like

6k gold

minimum

[unreal bear]

my table when im at wingstop

[cedar light]

hey guys im new here i wanted to ask why is assasination not getting any changes ? i mean for m+ i want to play assasin but it seems like it sucks big time according to raider io player numbers

[oak sky]

because blizzard doesn't care

everything is fine

[unreal bear]

because we're really good in heroic

[oak sky]