assassination

[gusty mirage]

holy shit

what did he even do to you?

[gaunt moat]

I like the silent blade

[shrewd night]

You think that whole ass metal dummy doesnt mute when whenever I mr?

Fuck moroes

[prisma monolith]

@shrewd night thanks, suck my dick too humanfuck

[spice spire]

[thorn fjord]

The Silent Blade is kinda cool ig

[ember mural]

I noticed

[subtle tundra]

Change it back on April fools

[vestal wren]

hmm

i think i accidentally renamed it only to the first letter of the input

[spice spire]

M

[gusty mirage]

seems fine

[royal lantern]

its m

not M

[thorn fjord]

Just change his name to MoreHoes

Its kinda the same thing

[storm belfry]

Moretoes

[strange python]

Good bot.

[prisma monolith]

I could say the same about you. @strange python

[shrewd night]

No capital letters

[wary ice]

no need

hes silent

no caps = quietest possible writing

[heavy vessel]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[strange python]

As long as moroes is nicer than foreverguy it's fine.

[slim hamlet]

wtf

[strange python]

I'm hyped to read whispyr's rogue set review for wowhead 🙂

[slim hamlet]

it's gonna be 1 line long

max

[thorn fjord]

Trash game... Uninstall... The end

[slim hamlet]

That's what I did

Works wonders

Still gotta lurk just in case tho

[quasi pine]

1 word long

[slim hamlet]

🔫

[quasi pine]

Doesnt need more

"Dogshit"

[slim hamlet]

To be fair it is insanely dogwater

kinda suprised they managed to make it more boring than s1 sets

Or well I guess you click CT now so more gameplay

[thorn fjord]

😦

NOT MY ROTATION

[slim hamlet]

I hear the sweet siren call of the yahtzee spec

[strange python]

Sub tier. Fuck farming for the underrot wep and never getting it out of vault

M+ weapons being bis is insanely cringe.

[gaunt moat]

It would be fine if it was boring.
instead they decided to double down on a very divisive ability.

[slim hamlet]

idek remember an underrot weap

[vestal wren]

tbh i think outlaw looks best tier set and weapon wise

[quasi pine]

idk I find it less boring, but bad af tbh

[vestal wren]

subtelty tier is okay-ish

[slim hamlet]

Just wait until they make an exsang 2.0

gonna be wild

[thorn fjord]

Yeah thinking the same but i feel like it'll get nerfed

[quasi pine]

Outlaw will do some sweet OS in pvp

[strange python]

The underrot weapon will be insanely strong and it will be extremely annoying to have it 7 ilvl lower than max because vaults are cringe.

[slim hamlet]

Sub tier seems really good on paper at least

imo

[gaunt moat]

sub's looks fun to play with to me. even if it's not tuned high.

[thorn fjord]

Sub tier looks more like QOL stuff tbh

[slim hamlet]

Yea

[quasi pine]

OHH I forgot about this one

[slim hamlet]

Which is fine imo

[thorn fjord]

Yeah

[quasi pine]

But it's sure is good

[slim hamlet]

Should just be baseline ofc

QOL that is

[thorn fjord]

I agree but we take what we can get

[slim hamlet]

ye

[strange python]

I refuse to play any spec where I'm stuck using a weapon 7 ilvls below standard all tier

Just because vaults are dogshit still

[gaunt moat]

what are you talking about

[strange python]

Unless you get the underrot wep out of your vault you'll perpetually be using it at the equivalent of 415 ilvl

[slim hamlet]

wtf is underrot weapon

[strange python]

And vault drops are fucking cringe

[late surge]

the on hit weapon

[strange python]

The underrot weapon is an insane on hit outlaw weapon

[slim hamlet]

i can't remeber shit

[thorn fjord]

Got a juicy proc

[late surge]

https://www.wowhead.com/item=159653/bile-stained-crawg-tusks @slim hamlet

[slim hamlet]

ouh

Just loot it lol?

[strange python]

Uhhh

[late surge]

I still havent seen a weapon from vault

this entire tie

[thorn fjord]

@gusty mirage half my guild is trying to get me to stay DK so they can play rogue -_-

[late surge]

tier*

[slim hamlet]

Why would they want that

[thorn fjord]

Told em to lick my balls

[gusty mirage]

they want to play rogue?

[thorn fjord]

Because they dont know any better

[gusty mirage]

is your guild okay mentally?

[strange python]

You have a 2% chance per week to get a specific item out of your m+ vault if you have a full 3 options. You're more likely to go the entire tier not getting max ilvl tusks than you are to get one.

[thorn fjord]

Not even in the slightest

[gusty mirage]

reminds me of one of our warriors

@gray crest

the week arms got buffed 18%

he decided he wanted to play

rogue

LOL

[slim hamlet]

Yeah but like, just loot it first week and you don't need to think about it

kinda easy

[gaunt moat]

People who don't play rogue are sure rogue is the best class in the game for some reason.
That's the only reason we still get raid spot.

[thorn fjord]

Everybody always wanna rogue till they start rogueing and they realize it aint what they thought it would be LOL

[vestal wren]

hard to predict, outlaw atm isn't exactly super high in output

but 10.0.7 funnily enough does close the gap a bit

[gusty mirage]

they should disable boosts for rogue characters

[vestal wren]

i feel kind of hyped for outlaw in 10.0.7

[gusty mirage]

and make people level them

[slim hamlet]

Wait

[thorn fjord]

I think they want to get a little more ST output out of OL which would be nice

[gusty mirage]

should clear out 90% of rerolls by level 30

tbh

[slim hamlet]

What is happening in 10.0.7 for rogues?

[formal ore]

oh so it worked for me cause i though rogue was dogshit then i liked it when i tried

[gusty mirage]

nothing

[formal ore]

its reverse psychology on blizz

[vestal wren]

you rly want to get people to lose all interesst in the class?

[strange python]

Ring good for outlaw

[slim hamlet]

[gusty mirage]

yes

[vestal wren]

[slim hamlet]

good

[strange python]

Isn't rogue already like the least played class with monks?

[gusty mirage]

I'm tired of answering "what poisons do I use?"

and "is wound ok on sanguine?"

[gaunt moat]

uh, i thought that's already the case according to play numbers.

[ember mural]

Pvp nerfs

[vestal wren]

in raid, yes

[gusty mirage]

and "when do I use puzzlebox?"

[vestal wren]

but its only one data point, hard to say how its in general

[strange python]

When do I use grieftorch

[late surge]

@gusty mirage when do I use puzzlebox?

[gusty mirage]

I mean rogue has always generally been one of the lower represented classes in mythic raid

[gusty mirage]

[uncut echo]

[steel spire]

When do I symbols

[slim hamlet]

Man I miss the "when do I use puzzlebox"

[gusty mirage]

on cooldown

thanks for coming to my ted talk

[uncut echo]

[steel spire]

[slim hamlet]

What I miss most is exsang tomfoolery before it got nerfed

[uncut echo]

[slim hamlet]

half the messages in the chat were just or

[thorn fjord]

If only we could go back to W1 dragonflight and warn ourselves

[slim hamlet]

oooooooor whatever this is

[gusty mirage]

I hope they nerf assassination again so you all go to #subtlety and #outlaw

[uncut echo]

God please

[gusty mirage]

stop polluting my offtopic 2.0 with wow talk

[strange python]

Our buffs are coming soon.

[gaunt moat]

There's nothing left to nerf

[gusty mirage]

wdym

the buff is already there bro

[strange python]

[steel spire]

[gusty mirage]

Step 1) Go to https://us.shop.battle.net/en-us/product/world-of-warcraft-service-character-boost
Step 2) Create a DK or Warrior
Step 3) Use Boost
Step 4) Congrats you're buffed

[gaunt moat]

People are saying the onyx annulet gonna be better in live

[strange python]

How does warrior always go under the radar when people talk about op classes btw

[spice spire]

You missed feral here, king

[gusty mirage]

under the radar?

[slim hamlet]

this is the buff trust

[steel spire]

What if we buff sepsis

[ember mural]

Meow

[vestal wren]

yes, basically the assumption is that we see a big boost

[strange python]

Warrior has been insane almost every raid in the last few years and no one seems to notice

[vestal wren]

*buff

[spice spire]

Keep yourself safe, respectfully

[gusty mirage]

under what radar exactly

LOL

[vestal wren]

because ion or so did say the ring should be bis for everyone in an interview

[strange python]

I mean people don't bitch about warrior

[gusty mirage]

assassination on release w/ puzzle box optimization couldn't even do that kind of execute

we're talking 45s exsang

full RC

full PB % chance

[strange python]

People bitch about warlock and rogue, no one ever bitches about warrior. But warrior is perpetually insanely strong.

[gusty mirage]

KB build

[night delta]

word ?

[gaunt moat]

Have you ever seen then shipping something live that was changed drastically from PTR?

[gusty mirage]

because warrior was absolutely dogshit

prior to the buffs

like literally dogshit

[strange python]

But on average warrior is absurd

[vestal wren]

you have my word that people assume that the ring gets a buff

[gusty mirage]

warrior was so dogshit

and its tier was so garbage

[steel spire]

Commanding shout on best execute class

[slim hamlet]

So that means if we get buffs, surely no one will complain ever right?

[gusty mirage]

that equipping higher ilvl was a bigger dps gain than their entire tier set bonus

[strange python]

Warrior was downright absurd like all of shadow lands and most of BFA.

[gusty mirage]

arms was trash in 9.0

wdym

lol

fury was too

[spice spire]

Arms was only good in 9.1 with an enhancement

[slim hamlet]

Wasn't warrior super op at the start with venthyr exe thingy?

[gusty mirage]

no

not super op

at all

[slim hamlet]

or was that some jebait

[uncut echo]

No

[gusty mirage]

venthyr arms warriors could 99 parse and be 13th on the meters

wow

INSANE

[gaunt moat]

@vestal wren
I think Ion just misspoke, or there was a shortage in communication between him and balance team.
imo, the ring's goal is catchup for alts, and not for BIS characters.

[uncut echo]

It was simming high in 9.1 bc venthyr lego

[slim hamlet]

Sounds op to me

[uncut echo]

No

[gusty mirage]

warrior sounded broken in 9.1

[uncut echo]

Stop memeing

[gusty mirage]

and then sylv existed

unlucky

no execute for you

[uncut echo]

Yup

100% right there

You had zero damage

Wgere it mattered

Dead asf

[gusty mirage]

but yeah

arms w/o enhance in SL

was actual trash tier

[spice spire]

Made parsing absolutely miserable too

[gusty mirage]

it got betterish in 9.2

except you realize

their tier set

was hot ass garbage

lmao

it got giga nerfed in PTR

and then they rebuffed it

like 4 times

[spice spire]

WFT > tier

[gusty mirage]

people wanted warriors for rally

and shout

not because they did significant damage

multiple rallies made life so much easier

[thorn fjord]

Yeah having two rallies was clutch af

[gusty mirage]

most of warrior being busted in 9.2

was gavel

tbh

[spice spire]

Gavel

[gusty mirage]

had nothing to do with the actual class

it was strong

but not as strong as arms is rn

nowhere near it actually

a warrior without gavel and without wft

did tank dps

[strange python]

Didn't stop everyone from whining about rogues when edge existed.

[thorn fjord]

Why do most arms warriors not know how to play their class tho

[gusty mirage]

same reason most BM hunters dont

when you're a super popular class

you get a ton of people

more people = more chance for that person to be meh

[thorn fjord]

Yeah true

[strange python]

Warrior is the easiest class to 99% I've ever played.

[gusty mirage]

go look at the parse #s

[spice spire]

Ur right there are arms warriors that have slam on their bars rn

[gusty mirage]

it's easier to purple/orange parse when there's 20k parses

vs

2k

you get a better distribution on the bell curve

w/ more parses

[thorn fjord]

Very true I’ve been parsing ok on the Dk

[steel spire]

Rogues could cure cancer, instead we dedicate our brain power to dps

[thorn fjord]

They have like 30k per boss

[strange python]

The only room for skill expression for warriors is pooling rage before the dump, and for fury it's just not overcapping procs

It's honestly wild how simplistic their specs are

[gusty mirage]

I mean look at hunter

the super popular classes

(hunter and warrior)

are super simple

and do good damage with the most brain dead rotations

[thorn fjord]

Hunters gotta think to stay alive or rely on others to do that from what I’ve seen

[strange python]

I haven't played BM in a minute but even when it was a joke they had to moderately manage two upkeeps.

Not that it was hard but like

[gusty mirage]

dw

its the same shit

[strange python]

Warriors don't have to do anything but mash their buttons.

The only minmax I'm aware of is for fury to cast spear before reck due to GCD shit

[spice spire]

I will not exhil there

[ebon notch]

for fury yeah

not for arms

for arms the 4pc was like 10% or smth

[gusty mirage]

arms was literal dogshit

[ebon notch]

for fury it was 2%

[gusty mirage]

even with 4pc

[strange python]

Hunter squishyness is offset by being a ranged who never has to sacrifice DPS for moving.

[ebon notch]

yes true

[gusty mirage]

people forget that

[ebon notch]

but the tier set gain

was big

[gusty mirage]

they saw the rework

and just assumed warrior was always strong

but arms was actually fucking awful early on

[ebon notch]

yep i played it

sucked dick

[gusty mirage]

problem is

they just gave them 18%

lmao

they overbuffed them

[ebon notch]

yeah but the tradeoff is

the rotation is horrendous

[strange python]

Idk man, if someone asked me what melee to play that's reliably strong over time, warriors the obvious answer.

[ebon notch]

rogue is probably the answer tbh

[thorn fjord]

DK

[strange python]

Assume you mean boring

[gusty mirage]

outside of 9.0

[thorn fjord]

Is the answer

[gusty mirage]

that's been rogue

for the last 4 expacs

[ebon notch]

nah

its horrendous

you're perma global locked

you generate too much rage

[strange python]

Don't agree about rogue being the on average best melee

[ebon notch]

you're IP spamming with tiny 0.5s windows

[thorn fjord]

For s2 and 3 of SL I’d say rogue also

[ebon notch]

and you're reset locked

[steel spire]

Monk for free spot 👌

[gusty mirage]

sub rogue is a top 3 spec rn

wdym

[ebon notch]

the problem with monk and warrior is that if their respective tank/healer specs are strong

[gusty mirage]

and we're all dooming over rogue

lmao

[ebon notch]

then your spot is at risk

[strange python]

I wouldn't necessarily say rogue in 9.3. a lot of rogue strength in 9.3 was holdover strength of EoN

9.2 I mean

[ebon notch]

rogue was strong in 9.2

[strange python]

Season 3, same shit

[ebon notch]

100%

season 2 and season 3

rogue was very strong

[spice spire]

Man our here clapping

[strange python]

Rogue without edge of night in season 3 was not that strong

[royal lantern]

NO I WILL NOT EXHIL HERE

1HEAL

[ebon notch]

yes it was they were still running 1-2 rogues on most bosses

[royal lantern]

1 FKING HEAL

[split cipher]

What do you mean we used EoN in season 3

[ebon notch]

that too

[strange python]

If you had it.

[ebon notch]

we had EoN in offhand

bruh what is your argument

"we're strong because of EoN"

"if you have it"

[brazen zodiac]

💃

[ebon notch]

like

rogue is a top tier melee in raid

it has been for a long time

[split cipher]

was making a joke, apologies friend

[royal lantern]

huh

[steel spire]

Wtf 2 eons

[royal lantern]

rogue was pretty bad from bfa until SoD lol

[strange python]

Rogue was also absolutely not strong in sanctum pre-shard rework and edge of night but I've already gone down this rabbit hole and the dissonance here is scary

[royal lantern]

like, FAR from top tier

[ebon notch]

rogue is basically unkillable in raid

very valuable

[gusty mirage]

???????????????????? assassination was the best raid spec in the game in 9.0.5

[thorn fjord]

We were strong as fuck in EP

And pretty strong in Drazalor

[strange python]

9.0.5 isn't sanctum.

[gusty mirage]

strong in nyalotha

[royal lantern]

doesnt change the fact that from BfA until DF rogue was a MELEE DPS with no raid utility, in a game where melee dps slots are very very very limited

[gusty mirage]

sub was more than strong

before shard rework

what are you smoking

[royal lantern]

so most people just didnt took one at all

[gusty mirage]

and I guess we can say

[thorn fjord]

Yeah didn’t corruption really fuck?

[brazen zodiac]

dat good stuff

[strange python]

It absolutely was not that's just not right

[gusty mirage]

"oh it was just EoN"

????????????

are you high bro?

[ebon notch]

being unkillable is as valuable as raid utility in a prog environment

[royal lantern]

doesnt matter that rogue "is unkillable" when mage is aswell, and also has the best raidbuff in the game, heroism and is ranged dps

[strange python]

Sub in sanctum before blood/frost buffs and before getting edge was obscenely mediocre

[gusty mirage]

okay

so you're just dooming to doom

[ebon notch]

not having to heal 1 or 2 of your dps 50% as much as other classes is nuts

[gusty mirage]

and moving the goal posts

got it

I'm over this debate

feel free to continue dooming

you're right

rogue was dogshit

awful class

worst in the game

[brazen zodiac]

reroll!

[split cipher]

Could burst as well as a fire mage with the Haste stacking, was a fun version of sin

[night delta]

I, for one, like shrugging off basically every big-hit raid mechanic as long as they are 15s apart 🙂

[strange python]

Using farm patch and items to say a spec was good in prog is disingenuous at best. You should know that as a lawyer.

[royal lantern]

ofc a yellowname says corruption assa was fun

why do the jokes write themself

[gusty mirage]

you started this debate saying warrior was broken as fuck in season 3

and it was because of the gavel of the first arbiter

but apparently

[steel spire]

Can't wait for bfa classic

[gusty mirage]

saying rogue was strong because of eon

is unacceptable

just admit it bro

[strange python]

Warrior slammed before gavel. Big difference.

[gusty mirage]

you're bitching just to bitch

no the fuck they didn't

[strange python]

Yes they absolutely did

[gusty mirage]

bro

[brazen zodiac]

he will die on this hill

[gusty mirage]

you're actually being an idiot

[ebon notch]

they played fury

and even then

it was mediocre

[gusty mirage]

like you're purposefully being dense

[royal lantern]

@ me when it releases, so we can grind islands together

[gusty mirage]

and I'm done arguing with you

[ebon notch]

cause fury + tier was better than arms

[brazen zodiac]

i kinda wanna play bfa i heard many many mixed things :o

[strange python]

Fury season 3 without gavel was better than sub season 3 without edge I don't actually know how you could argue otherwise

[steel spire]

Bet we hold hands hunting for dabloons

[thorn fjord]

You really don’t

Bfa was hot dog water

[brazen zodiac]

://

[ebon notch]

legion is where its at

[brazen zodiac]

i also wanna do legion

[thorn fjord]

Yep

[ebon notch]

you could grind 24/7

[strange python]

Legion was dogshit.

[ebon notch]

and still have fun

[thorn fjord]

Legion was amazing

[brazen zodiac]

i leveled my LFD in legion it was cool

[grim tangle]

I enjoyed corruptions :)

[echo heath]

Bfa is the only expansion I quit in the middle of first tier prog

[ebon notch]

at the very worst you could skip EN

[steel spire]

Demo before the implosion hot fix 😫😍

[echo heath]

Fuck bfa

[ebon notch]

and then go from ToV onwards

[night delta]

Legion last season*

[ebon notch]

and still have a blast

im sad i didnt get to kill helya mythic

[formal ore]

u played whole shadowlands ???

[strange python]

I'd rather play BFA twice than legion once.

[formal ore]

beast

[ebon notch]

bruh

[royal lantern]

some good things, some bad things, like always

[thorn fjord]

Huge cap

[brazen zodiac]

huh legion seems so cool

[strange python]

Random drop legendaries was the biggest cringe bullshit this game has ever had

[gray crest]

Imagine saying legion was bad lmao

[brazen zodiac]

big demons and ships and stuff

[ebon notch]

the tier sets

[echo heath]

I tanked shadow lands and actually made it two tiers before quitting

[ebon notch]

were fucking nuts

the raids

were so good

[strange python]

And gets ignored every time people talk about legion

[ebon notch]

you could then end up buying legendaries

[brazen zodiac]

i hope classic cata comes out

[royal lantern]

the worst thing from bfa: 8.1 outlaw, because that ruined outlaw as a spec forever and attracted 99%of the current outlaw playerbase 🙂

[brazen zodiac]

that i rly wanna play

[formal ore]

legend

[gray crest]

That's nice, literally everything else about that expansion was fun

[ebon notch]

it gets ignored because the expansion as a whole was really really good

[thorn fjord]

NH was so much fun imo

[steel spire]

Just get bis Legos off the rip and your good 👍

[ebon notch]

do you know how good the expac has to be to make up for rng legendary drops?

[strange python]

If 7.0 rereleased right now, all the "legion was goated" comments would be replaced with "what the fuck is this random drop legendary bullshit"

[thorn fjord]

Nah

[night delta]

Legion was the start of the frigging AP grind

[thorn fjord]

We complained back then about it too

[ebon notch]

that would imply they played it previously and were somehow surprised about it

[night delta]

for that contribution alone it's a no for me

[brazen zodiac]

isnt the ledendary stuff the same system as spark stuff

like the "badluck protection" thingy

[thorn fjord]

Essentially

[ebon notch]

you actually gained shit for it though

[strange python]

That's what I'm saying. Everyone has blinders on now. Revisionist history

[ebon notch]

filling up your artifact weapon

getting new traits

[gusty mirage]

"WARRIOR WAS SLAMMING W/O GAVEL"

bro

shut

the

[ebon notch]

changing how your class played

[royal lantern]

legion had BY FAR the worst version of it lol

bfa was allready really watered down and SL had nothing at all like that

[gusty mirage]

fuck

up

[royal lantern]

OXI TURNS INTO GUY

[gusty mirage]

that's WITH gavel

[echo heath]

The problem with legion was getting a bad legendary for your first and hoping your bad luck protection gave you your bis

[gusty mirage]

thanks

for

playing

[ebon notch]

lmao sub was down bad

[strange python]

Weird to see sub and sin below warrior 🙂

[gray crest]

As God intended

[formal ore]

but shadowlands had freaking torgast

[strange python]

That chart doesn't say what you think it says

[gusty mirage]

assassination was below warrior?

[ebon notch]

yeah cause they were good on prog

[brazen zodiac]

torghast was fun for the first week or two

[strange python]

Ol**

[gusty mirage]

were your eyes nerfed in 10.0.5 along with your brain?

[ebon notch]

thats it

[brazen zodiac]

but then got very quickly bad

oxi heres a picture of a cat

[steel spire]

Imagine rerolling characters for Legos

[ebon notch]

outlaw had to get buffed out the wazoo to get fixed

[formal ore]

nah bro torghast was fun the first 2 runs

[brazen zodiac]

https://tenor.com/view/kitty-cat-sandwich-cats-sandwich-gif-26112528

[royal lantern]

oh no, the horror of doing torghast 2x a week for a couple weeks until you got the legendary, and then not do it again

like man, idk why people always made such a big deal out of it

[formal ore]

then i wanted to kill myself

[ebon notch]

was boring

but necessary

[brazen zodiac]

it was more so just the uh

[formal ore]

because it was the worst content ever

[thorn fjord]

Was also harder than it needed to be

[brazen zodiac]

constant dark theme

[night delta]

friggin Mord'rethar

[thorn fjord]

At the very start

[brazen zodiac]

between raid, torghast, the maw, etc

[night delta]

still have nightmares about the place

[brazen zodiac]

seeing black 24/7 felt meh

at least for me idk why other people hate torgast lol

[thorn fjord]

I kept dying trying to solo it the fjrst few weeks

[night delta]

also sin rogue 9.0 probably had some of the WORST torghast experience btw

[thorn fjord]

It was frustrating

[night delta]

actual useless powers

[formal ore]

i'll give it to shadowlands that i like the dark theme better than this dragon one

[brazen zodiac]

yeah i dont remember being able to solo it at first but i was also bad so maybe skill issue

[grim tangle]

yeah rogue was very bad at torghast early on

[ebon notch]

the only dark part was the colour scheme

there's no like

[spice spire]

Sepsis cranked tho

[ebon notch]

dark storyline

or anything like that

just like making everything brown didnt make it interesting either

[night delta]

the one redeeming gameplay feature of SL for me was the awesome Necrolord shield

This + feint we could legit ignore OS mechanics

[royal lantern]

litearlly every soul in the universe was condemned to eternal torment and suffering unless you stop it

"it was not dark lol"

like man, people hate SL i get it

[ebon notch]

bro that storyline just went nowhere

[royal lantern]

but the stuff some people pull out of their ass

[ebon notch]

so it fueled the jailers master plan

to like

end the world or something?

???

[spice spire]

Unmake the universe man

[formal ore]

oh i dont deal with blizz storyline almost never

[ebon notch]

so everyone went to heaven but theyre not actually dead

[spice spire]

Do you even watch cut scenes

[royal lantern]

doesnt read anything or listens to a single line of spoken dialoge->its bad and doesnt explain anything

[ebon notch]

but also the souls are damned

[royal lantern]

normal wow player moment

[formal ore]

last one i liked was bwonsandi(no idea if that is spelled correctly)

[brazen zodiac]

eh i liked the switch up from SoD to SoTFO

[spice spire]

Close enough

[night delta]

Oh there were explainations alright

just, very bad for most of it

[spice spire]

Sofo felt rushed

[gray crest]

The whole thing was like "jailer is a master strategist and everything is going along with his master plan" and when you ask what the plan is they are just like

[night delta]

Jailer motive reveal right at the end was the nail in the coffin

(death pun intended)

[ebon notch]

defending SL storyline is the last thing i thought id see tbh

[spice spire]

It literally felt like raid was supposed to end at Anduin and everything after was supposed to be a different raid

[ebon notch]

then again this whole conversation is been kinda whack so

[brazen zodiac]

ive done a lot of googling and asked many questions regarding lore and i still dont understand korthia/zereth mortis

something soemthing these are the real original creators yo something?

[strange python]

Ion promises this was never the plan (:

[royal lantern]

ye, pretty obvious it was that way imo

[steel spire]

One day sbs will be baseline

[royal lantern]

anduin was supposed to be the OG "final boss" for that tier

[strange python]

Anduin was a shit boss.

[royal lantern]

so was sylvanas

[ebon notch]

XD

[royal lantern]

doesnt change the fact that she was the final boss

[strange python]

Sylv was 10000x more fun than anduin.

[royal lantern]

ye sure buddy

you had

[strange python]

End tier at halondrus

[royal lantern]

i gues

[ebon notch]

anduin was an epic fight

stupidly overloaded

[strange python]

Anduin might be the worst fight I've ever done

[ebon notch]

but it certainly felt like i was fighting anduin

[night delta]

was about to say it

And Sylvanas was way too long with a horrendously boring middle part

[royal lantern]

like every final fight ever

[strange python]

The downphase was just downright unfun, and the light dark charges were wildly cringe before the first change

[royal lantern]

sylvanas was cool for 20pulls

and after that just pure endless pain

[night delta]

Jailer (pre-nerf) and Sire were actual good end-bosses imo

[strange python]

Sire would be good if he didn't have one of the worst p1s of any end boss

[ebon notch]

the down phase lasted 30-45 seconds

like what

[strange python]

That's a stupidly long time for a bad mechanic.

To do twice, too.

[ebon notch]

what fight have you actually enjoyed

from beginning to end

i have to know

[strange python]

Halondrus was great

[ebon notch]

what version of halondrus did you fight

[strange python]

Pre nerf

[ebon notch]

which

lmao

[royal lantern]

you litearlly said sylvanas was good, and then say anduin is bad cus 30sec downtime

when sylvanas had like 20years of downtime and waiting during a 1pull

[marble hemlock]

cuz thats what it was

[night delta]

pre-nerf halondrus was end-raid levels of punishing

[spice spire]

[strange python]

We were like world 60 on halondrus before inting the rest of the tier. We did the original halondrus.

[ebon notch]

you mean when the motes would blow up the bombs?

[strange python]

Yep. Which was minor cringe but still a good fight.

Jailer fun, sludge fun, rygelon fun, kurog is fun this tier (not to farm though)

I think percent based push timings and forced afk phases are unfun.

[echo heath]

My daughter is parsing purple in her measurements!

[night delta]

This patch I feel they struck a good balance on Rasz for and end-boss

not underwhelming, but not overly bloated either

[strange python]

Rasz felt balanced fine but the fight is everything I hate in a raid boss

[spice spire]

[strange python]

Too many adds, too much standing still doing nothing waiting for things to happen, p1 percentage based push

[spice spire]

Congratulations!

But also 3 month check up?

No

[strange python]

Bring back sepulcher vendetta set before this shit

[night delta]

Deathmark 4x bleeds pog

[strange python]

Uhh

[night delta]

the 4 pc happens outside of every concievable burst window we have

[strange python]

Sin does most of our damage during our cooldowns. This gives us a minor damage amp outside of our cooldowns

[night delta]

you do 40% more nature damage during the period where you deal the least of it

[strange python]

40% more damage when we're doing the least damage we do all fight

[ebon notch]

@strange python so they nerfed halondrus bombs on 29th march

if you killed halondrus on the 30th you would be world rank 33

so when did you say you killed it again?

[grim tangle]

I killed it on the 28th :)

[ebon notch]

what guild were you in stabsalot

[strange python]

I don't have kill date on hand I'd have to check and I'm on mobile

[ebon notch]

what was the guild name

i can check for you

[strange python]

I don't share my info here 🙂

[ebon notch]

so you didnt kill halondrus pre nerf

[echo heath]

Two week actually, she's a hoss

[strange python]

If you believe that because it makes you feel better, that's fine.

[ebon notch]

either you're a top 30 raider

or you're a liar

[grim tangle]

there was another nerf like a month later surely he meant that nerf

[strange python]

I told you the version of the boss I did.

[spice spire]

Yeeesh. Congrats all the same

[ebon notch]

he said he killed before they nerfed the bombs

to explode with collision with the motes

the biggest nerf to the fight

[unreal bear]

i miss that age sometimes

[strange python]

The biggest nerf to the fight was the "hurry up the tier is ending nerf"

[night delta]

there was a duration nerf too though

[strange python]

That allowed solo bomb carrying

[ebon notch]

trust me on this one

the nerf to bomb mote + beam collision

was THE biggest nerf

the fight was absolutely hell on earth

[night delta]

oh no i don't argue that

[ebon notch]

before that

[grim tangle]

oh well, I mean, he is a notable liar

[night delta]

but "the bomb nerf" could also mean the duration nerf in the eyes of some

just saying

[ebon notch]

no i asked him specifically

before

and he confirmed that specific nerf

[strange python]

I answered your question, you didn't like my answer. This feels pointless.

[ebon notch]

you did not give me an answer

but its ok, the lack of response will fill the gap

[strange python]

You don't like that I prefer to stay anonymous. I answered your question about the boss.

You're choosing to believe things because you're upset. Which is your prerogative.

[ebon notch]

i dont need you to compromise your anonymity

you said world rank 60

that is impossible

it conflates with the other information you have provided

[shrewd night]

Oh, this is stabsalot? Its all coming together.

[grim tangle]

prefer to stay anonymous so he can lie about his world rank lel

[ebon notch]

even without reading between the lines

[strange python]

Believe what you'd like.

[ebon notch]

even just using the information you have provided

you are STILL lying

[marble hemlock]

he wants to believe reality, but two facts are in conflict with one another.

[ebon notch]

state the facts again for me then, so that i dont go spreading misinformation

[unreal bear]

the ronald reagan conundrum

[strange python]

I've been clear. You will believe what you want. This isn't a productive convo.

[gray crest]

Im a fucking fed and I care less about people knowing my personal information let alone world rank in a video game than this man does

[ebon notch]

hey @strange python shut the fuck up

just do not type more

just do yourself the favour

of not digging the hole further

[unreal bear]

are you oxi

[marble hemlock]

"ive played in world rank 60 guild" and claiming you killed a boss at a time where you wouldve been top 30, is not "ive been clear". thats his issue.

[shrewd night]

Chill, my duder.

[strange python]

I've been clear, you didn't like what I said, I tried to move on, you're being a toddler. Move on.

[ebon notch]

i dont like you lying to people

this isnt a private conversation

[strange python]

It's not a lie.

[ebon notch]

what you have stated is not possible

[strange python]

Not giving two shits what you think isn't a lie. Move on, touch grass.

[lucid silo]

👁️

[ebon notch]

you cannot be world rank 60 and kill original pre nerf halondrus

facts dont care about your feelings bud

[marble hemlock]

well maybe he meant a different nerf then

[strange python]

Nope

[ebon notch]

nope

check the screenshot

[marble hemlock]

oh well

[ebon notch]

i made sure

[marble hemlock]

not like anybody can take sirstabsalot any less serious, since no one already did

[unreal bear]

we've gone from lamenting assassination's place in this expansion and gone to fighting one another

[marble hemlock]

anyway

[unreal bear]

sad times

[marble hemlock]

keep the shitflinging to a minimum, thanks

[shrewd night]

[strange python]

Your reading comprehension is wildly sus. It's fine. I couldn't care less, go outside and breathe air.

[gray crest]

You just used the words reading comprehension and sus in the same sentence

[spice spire]

Alright that’s enough, let’s pack it up

[shrewd night]

Brethren. Do I have to mute you?

[spice spire]

Back to dooming with you hoes

[shrewd night]

I fucking dont. So dont lie to me. Keep it together.

[unreal bear]

i dont even know who the fuck halondrus is

[marble hemlock]

https://tenor.com/view/liquid-crab-rave-crab-rave-liquid-guild-crab-halondrus-dance-sepulcher-crab-rave-gif-25113266

[night delta]

best crab

[restive spire]

only da numba 1 most greatest raid boss of all time

[ember mural]

Really is off-topic 2.0

[shrewd night]

Always been

[copper hazel]

hey if we aint dooming, we OTing, the vicious circle of sin (channel)

[thorn fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/the-circle-of-life-gif-9789392

[brazen zodiac]

https://tenor.com/view/exile-lion-mad-furious-gif-5863311

[uncut echo]

Ayo Im getting one of those on Saturday

[grand quarry]

I have a question, we never ever try and force rupture on Anima charged cp even if it's before exang? Or would that be the exception (esp if it's with puzzle and dm)

I know the faq says to do it when it lines up naturally and try to do get one before exang

[marble hemlock]

then you just answered your own question 😄

[grand quarry]

Or do we just cry if it doesn't line up

OK so cry

[marble hemlock]

nah

its litearlly just like

4 extra seconds

difference between a 6cp rupture or a 7cp rupture isnt all that big

either way it covers the entire deathmark window

[grand quarry]

OK that makes sense

[marble hemlock]

the alternative would be to "hold" an animacharge and then youd have to try to hit it before you wanna exsang/deathmark

and as assa that can be very sketchy

[grand quarry]

Glad I don't have to do that

[lusty surge]

finally, the antorus set will be complete

[thorn fjord]

Ive been trying for the NH shoulders for so long

MIssing those and the belt 😦

[lusty surge]

D:

i sold the leather balls shoulder boe from antorus back in the day

kinda wish i had learned it

[vestal wren]

ngl but that tooltip is cursed, information overload

[lusty surge]

hahaha yea it is

it all turns off in combat though :p

[royal lantern]

att>holiday>trial of style>vendor
Assassination Outlaw Sublety

[uncut echo]

YO WHAT

WHAT COLOR

[uncut echo]

I have almost every rogue set on mythic 🥰

[thorn fjord]

I have tomb and Antorus

[devout prism]

Mythic color

[thorn fjord]

EN is lame so didnt bother but def want the NH one

[uncut echo]

Nh, tomb, antorus

Uldir

Bod

Nyalotha

Nathria, sanctum, and sepulcher

[lusty surge]

not sure its from trial of style

[thorn fjord]

i didnt get Nathria but i did get sanctum and sep

[lusty surge]

dunno which set it goes to

[thorn fjord]

Trial of style is active rn?

[lusty surge]

yea

[thorn fjord]

Oh snap

[uncut echo]

How do I do trial of style

Save me

Let me finish my white whale

[thorn fjord]

Gotta talk to a transmoger npc and you can que for the scenario

Only one i know about is in dalaran tho

[lusty surge]

they look like the mythic version

theres a mog dude in valdrakken

74,56

[uncut echo]

AhhhHhhHhHHHHH

I NEED THEM SB

[lusty surge]

took me 2 rounds to buy em

pretty good

[limber lion]

woahh when is this available

[lusty surge]

now

[limber lion]

I need that shit

but I don't have a subscription

[lusty surge]

well you can wait another 6 months :p

[storm belfry]

Yeah idk how long those have been available but I had spare points or whatever and I bought those a month ago

And I don’t even have the full set

[gusty mirage]

I can fix that for you

[limber lion]

Nonono, gametime just for some booties, not worth it. I would honestly just get the transmog then log off and never log in again.

[gusty mirage]

I'm failing to see the issue here

[thorn fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/money-itch-hands-birdman-gif-9201169

With that retainer money

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/money-rain-make-it-rain-cash-gif-9217926

[limber lion]

Spend it on yourself homie, get a decent meal with it instead

[thorn fjord]

Cant get a decent meal for $15 no more 😦

[limber lion]

True

[vestal wren]

you can if you cook it yourself

[limber lion]

I just spent like 24 buckeroos for some chicken korma

[gray crest]

Popeyes is 7-8 bucks near me wdym

[thorn fjord]

[spice spire]

Yeah and the best Popeyes are seasoned with whatever is on the floor

Don’t think I’d call it decent

Even if it’s good

[brazen zodiac]

man i miss their 4 chicken sandwich w/ 4 tenders, fries, and a side + drink for 30 dollars

where df dat deal go

[thorn fjord]

“Too much pepper”

[brazen zodiac]

that was food for a whole 3 ass days

[thorn fjord]

Replies “Man that’s dirt”

[spice spire]

I ain’t ever said the words

[gray crest]

Popeyes chicken sandwich is good, I'll throw hands over this

[thorn fjord]

It really easy

[gray crest]

People have literally died because of this sandwich

[thorn fjord]

Better than chick fil as

Their fries are amazing too

I like Popeyes

[brazen zodiac]

theres no more chick filas in the area :C

never tried it

[spice spire]

Chikfila is mid as mid can be

Dw

[thorn fjord]

Yeah

It was good at first

But super mid

[spice spire]

It’s not even at first

It’s genuinely just

Consistently okay

[brazen zodiac]

what do they even offer

[spice spire]

And they’re kinda assholes at the top

[brazen zodiac]

chicken sadnwiches or something

[near valley]

Chik-fil-a used to be the shizness

[brazen zodiac]

they were gonna open one up in my mountain area but the town didnt want it

[gray crest]

Their chick FIL a sauce was the only thing good there

[spice spire]

I figured out how to make chik-fil-a sauce so Val no longer has a reason for that place

Even a healthy version

[near valley]

There can be no such thing

[spice spire]

It’s literally barbecue sauce yellow mustard and honey man

[near valley]

Honey man? Sounds tasty

[uncut echo]

Honey is the best cooking ingredient next to black vinegar

[near valley]

Strange way to spell chillies

The spice not the food btw

[gray crest]

I don't even like mustard and I like the chick FIL a sauce

[near valley]

It's a thing of majesty

[vestal wren]

Botulinum is the best cooking ingredient to brew deadly poisons

[near valley]

Yes officer this comment right here ^

[thorn fjord]

Mustard sucks on its own but mustard mixed with other things is top tier

[near valley]

Isnt that what Botox is made of?

[vestal wren]

yes, it is also known as botox

[near valley]

[thorn fjord]

Damn what would happen if you drank that shit

[vestal wren]

its a lethal poison, so

[gray crest]

It causes paralysis

[near valley]

You gain an exp buff

[gray crest]

When will kill you

[subtle tundra]

fuck mustard

[near valley]

If your poison resistance stat is low

[subtle tundra]

not literally

[near valley]

[gray crest]

Shit like this is why I use extra virgin olive oil. Gotta be extra sure no one has fucked it

[subtle tundra]

youre so good it keeps its status of extra virgin

[near valley]

Bewary of opened olive oil

[neon kindle]

[gusty mirage]

if we stay still, they won't see us and we'll be able to escape

[storm belfry]

[neon kindle]

[near valley]

[gusty mirage]

[subtle tundra]

i might have a type

[brazen zodiac]

but but

if we're standing still...

how do we move to escape???

https://tenor.com/view/wtff-cat-confused-orange-gif-25858653

[vestal wren]

what game is that

[subtle tundra]

deep rock galactic

[thorn fjord]

Game is crack

Kinda

[storm belfry]

whats the obj?

[thorn fjord]

Coop miner type game

You do waves

and upgrade your character

[storm belfry]

tower defense?

wavees?

[subtle tundra]

you are a wage slave that works for a corporation

[storm belfry]

pass i do that irl

[subtle tundra]

and risk your life

but its fun here

[storm belfry]

how much is it

[thorn fjord]

Trying to find a game to compare it to

[storm belfry]

something is wrong w me

I have recently gotten (back) into hearthstone

[uncut echo]

Its left for dead

[eager sorrel]

'Everyone, get in here!'

[uncut echo]

Meets miner

[near valley]

It's free on game pass

[thorn fjord]

MTG meta had me do that but i had like 80 packs to open and you have to do it manually on mobile so i said fuck this and uninstalled

[near valley]

If ur a casual game pass enjoyer

[storm belfry]

i should re sub to gamepass

so i can fight robot tiddies and such

(atomic hearts)

[storm belfry]

isn't it manual on hearthstone too

[thorn fjord]

I meant its manual on HS

MTG you can open in large groupings

[storm belfry]

oh

yeah i never got into that game but some friends of mine are like die hard

[thorn fjord]

aint no way i was going through 90 something packs

I closed beta tested HS years ago

Played it actively for a long time

Then it got really bad

[storm belfry]

i played last in 2018 i thik

or 2020 idr

atm i am slaughtering this guy w a full board of rats

[gray crest]

I've been meaning to get deep rock galactic

I think I'll get it today

[thorn fjord]

Its on gamepass

[dusty sable]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[neon kindle]

scout 4 life

[uncut echo]

Its a banger

With a goated soundtrack

[formal ore]

can i make a macro to cast stealth after meld ?

[gusty mirage]

it's like $30

super good game esp for the price

[gusty mirage]

ya there's one floating around

[subtle tundra]

it was on sale for 10 when i bought it

[grim tangle]

you guys are rich

[subtle tundra]

i am the opposite of rich

[gusty mirage]

I think its on sale for the steam spring sale too

[unreal bear]

its on game pass isnt it

[thorn fjord]

yeah

[pulsar dirge]

doomblade or fatal concotion for one point ?🤔

[balmy condor]

Builds are in the faq

[pulsar dirge]

theoretical question i guess i know all the builds in faq and websites

its gets lethat dose dmg?(doomblade)

[balmy condor]

Doomblade gives a stack lethal of lethal dose yes

[pulsar dirge]

thank you!

[storm belfry]

Oh shit it’s on sale for $10

[storm belfry]

This is kinda pog

https://www.wowhead.com/news/introducing-the-turbulent-timeways-6-weeks-of-timewalking-for-heroic-vault-of-331992

[vestal wren]

are there more details on this

is this just m+ timewalking?

[oak sky]

Pretty sure its regular timewalking dungeon q

[storm belfry]

reg tw w H loot from weekly quest for 6 weeks

[vestal wren]

well thats nice

quite nice for alts

[heady drum]

heroic loot?

[storm belfry]

yes

from the quest cache

like fuu said, quite nice for alts

also a great time to basically nab all mounts

[thorn fjord]

Already got them little otter boiz

[neon kindle]

[storm belfry]

wut

i mean the tw mounts you buy w badges

[thorn fjord]

Oh

[hallow token]

salty feelingscrafting with no data: hopefully there's something else on the way for assassination other than a new tier set, because otherwise, assassination rogues without the tier set will still be broken. at the moment will be pleasantly surprised if they give us anything like a buff to deadly poison or something? depressed prediction: it'll be the tier pieces and nothing else.

[oak sky]

Buff to deadly poison

[thorn fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/horse-dead-beating-gif-9285411

[brazen zodiac]

https://tenor.com/view/mr-noodles-my-honest-reaction-my-honest-reaction-meme-meme-cat-gif-25953937

[hallow token]

dead horse is dead but we are still pretty much at the bottom of overall dps and it will bug me until it changes.

[brazen zodiac]

💃

[uncut echo]

It happens

[spice spire]

Someone’s gotta be there

[storm belfry]

[subtle tundra]

not to say i want to be high rn

but for sure im inhaling copium rn

[copper hazel]

[bleak sky]

lying balkan bastard

[gaunt moat]

Ion also said no more reworks are planned for this expansion
so eh.. seems like exsang is staying

[thorn fjord]

Ion is a liar

His meat suit is on too tight

[gaunt moat]

At least he's aware that community is saying the onyx annulet is kinda crap.
but not sure how they couldn't test it themselves.

And of course first wowhead comment is just an insane person

[grim tangle]

yup, insane person for speaking the truth

[unique sorrel]

Back to snoreghast

[sonic pawn]

So quick question, just because ive been following the guides and what not, but i just want to know, why is it in the ST opener that we exsang before deathmark? 🙂

Or have i been reading it wrong all this time

[spice spire]

Death mark is also a bleed

So you’d be halving it’s time as well