assassination

[gusty mirage]

but I suppose it's a way of cooking

worst case, I die from the solanine

[thorn fjord]

Legit hot dog water

[thorn prism]

hope i stay on it, i have some better call saul to catch up on

[thorn fjord]

Add group is auto pilot @thorn prism

[thorn prism]

but im gonna have to like tricks drag a group to the tank and also maybe play sub which I don't know how to play but I wanna challenge myself of not just playing

[frail rivet]

should I use instant poison

on primal council

or deadly poison

dont say sim it pls

[storm belfry]

Based oxi

As always

[frail rivet]

ok clearly i need deadly poison

I dont get enough energy with instant poison

[brazen zodiac]

?

💃

[daring trail]

I cant think of a single scenario where you would use Instant Poison as a Sin rogue tbh

[balmy condor]

Don’t use instant poison on sin

[frail rivet]

its just for primal council cuz it doesnt run amplifying so wasnt sure 😄

thank

[balmy condor]

Yeah but you can’t run double poison

Without dtb

[uncut echo]

Deadly is instant + a dot

and that's poggers

never use instant

[drowsy creek]

Is it ok to get more point in lethality over thistle tea? or its a huge dps loss?

[uncut echo]

it's not advised

tea is very gooid

[drowsy creek]

Most of time I'am not in a lost energy position, maybe in raids, but def not in keys

[balmy condor]

You should be in those situations at least once a minute

[placid ermine]

!exh

!exhanguinate

shit

no exh command?

[drowsy creek]

I use everything almost at GCD, maybe my haste is too high? Iam at 14% haste

[balmy condor]

No, what’s the question

[placid ermine]

if i have puzzle do i wait with 2nd exh + puzzle window for 3rd deathmark?

pure st

[balmy condor]

Yes

[placid ermine]

or just throw evertything on cd

[balmy condor]

Haste isn’t a consideration for energy

[shy mica]

I was watching some of zerocool's 26s/27s, I notice he uses tempest on bosses in m+ is that even worth?

[balmy condor]

Probably not

[placid ermine]

by tempest do u mean boon?

[balmy condor]

He means crimson tempest

[placid ermine]

oh

[versed mica]

Thistle tea usage confuses me. You just use it to fill up on energy when starved, and to not overcap on charges?
Idk, is it normal to be having it on zero charges during a fight, or am I overusing it?

[balmy condor]

Yep

That’s normal

[gaunt moat]

Do you think exsang would still be best next season without puzzlebox?

[spare crow]

no cause it will get reworked

[craggy oak]

do we hate the idea of it being baked into death mark?

[balmy condor]

Yes

We had that in sepulcher and people didn’t like that

[spice spire]

I did

[balmy condor]

I said People

[spice spire]

?

[balmy condor]

You’re just a dog

[keen spruce]

[gaunt moat]

damn, i forgot to hold DM for exsang on brood.
i really hope for a world where our CDs align 🥲

[limber walrus]

Do we hate the idea of Shiv and Toxic Blade becoming seperate spells again?

[balmy condor]

It’s been brought up a couple times

But it also feels like a lot of button bloat

For not a lot of payoff

[weary helm]

Needing a bit of advice. Been raiding in a curve guild and we're at Raz and I'm finding on almost every boss in the raid my dps outside of my opener is very inconsistent and feel I'm not playing the spec optimally.

[balmy condor]

Wowanalyzer is good

Would suggest trying that

[weary helm]

Appreciate.

[spice spire]

Nah I got dat dog in me

[weary helm]

Christ I really am playing badly.

[balmy condor]

What is George doing to you

[uncut echo]

Brother chill

Dear lord in heaven

[weary helm]

Would it be worth going with a build without Exsang? Would it be a big loss in DPS?

[gusty mirage]

it's about a 2.5% dps loss

[uncut echo]

it's about 2%

it's not make or break

if you're doing high end content and wanna look good it's worth considering still using it

[keen spruce]

in late tier prog fights it's not very impactful

long fights make all of the builds run very close together

[gusty mirage]

[keen spruce]

don't stare at me

[gusty mirage]

no I will 100% stare at you

[weary helm]

It's just a curve guild with mates really. I've taken a look at my logs and keep missing it coming off CD and not ending up pressing it. Assa feels like it has a lot more buttons and CD's to keep track of this expac.

[earnest remnant]

imma join

[gusty mirage]

ya I mean if you're underutilizing it or just struggling with the influx of buttons (because you're right we have a ton more buttons this expac than previously), just take the L on the 2.5%

[keen spruce]

[weary helm]

Think I will until I get the hang of the spec and also sort out my abysmal haste.

[gusty mirage]

unless you're like absolutely trying to push parse numbers & higher end content, just play what's easier for you and will make it more enjoyable

you can still perform pretty well without it, so it's not like you're actively holding back the group or anything like that

[weary helm]

I guess that's true. I'm in the top 4 in my group usually but I'm doing bad in logs for ilvl rankings.

[gusty mirage]

as long as bosses are dying and you and the homies are having a good time

[balmy condor]

What

[weary helm]

We're stick on Heroic Raz. The boss is not fun haha.

[gusty mirage]

he's began to lie to himself to justify the fact that he doesn't want to play exsang + pbox

[balmy condor]

[keen spruce]

on 10m unless i'm doin something wrong on sims

[balmy condor]

The rotation repeats every 4 minutes

[keen spruce]

oh

[gusty mirage]

[balmy condor]

How does long = closer

When it’s just the same thing

In 4 min chunks

[keen spruce]

well i didn't know that

[balmy condor]

[gusty mirage]

shmeeps ily bro

real talk

[keen spruce]

ilm too

wait no i thought u were sayin somethin else

[gusty mirage]

well that's at least 2 people

[nocturne current]

https://tenor.com/view/bonk-gif-26414884

[spice spire]

[nocturne current]

We got Diurna down to P2 in one nightt

hopefully dies wednesday as my rasz fomo is starting to build

[balmy condor]

Don’t worry

You’ll quickly lose the fomo

When you actually have to play that fucking fight

And want to die

I’m playing sub on it now

[nocturne current]

Something tells me I'm still just halfway through prog or even less k

[keen spruce]

[gusty mirage]

nah once add group pulls their head out of their ass and healers get comfortable the boss just falls over

if you're talking about brood

as for rasz

I lost my will to live about 100 pulls ago

and I probably have 100+ to go

lucky numbers 275-300 on tuesday probably

[spice spire]

The OTP returns

[oblique tangle]

Ugh

I can't believe our new trinket is vers

At least we didn't get fucked as bad as those poor marksman hunters

[nocturne current]

Haha yeah I meant in general

Yeah 300 sounds like a nice number.

[balmy condor]

There’s a rogue trinket?

[gusty mirage]

yeah the class specific trinkets

lmao

well sorry

"group of classes"

[balmy condor]

Whack

[gusty mirage]

the caster one gives more primary stat than the other 2

for no reason

[nocturne current]

Hey but you get 10% slow on a class that attacks from a distance.

Surely that's gonna have an impact

[keen spruce]

the pet one?

[gusty mirage]

hunter, shaman, lock, and monk get 5776 primary stat for 12s
everyone else gets 3114

[balmy condor]

Intellect is inflated for some reason since ancient times

So it has to give more

[keen spruce]

I think it has a lower proc rate so the non-perma summon classes don't get cucked

[gusty mirage]

but hunter is on that same trinket

[balmy condor]

It’ll scale down

[gusty mirage]

I hope they scale hunter down to being irrelevant

ours also puts a bleed on us that does nature damage

[balmy condor]

I’m ready to not use these things

[gusty mirage]

[balmy condor]

And just

Irideous fragment + Harlan dice

[gusty mirage]

but think of the baseline VERS

[keen spruce]

dont' both raid daggers have vers too

[nocturne current]

m+ hype

[gusty mirage]

probably

given the fact that they made our 424 haste/vers

I fully expect more fuckery like that

let's make a dagger haste/vers

that'll be great!

[fallen olive]

Hi is necessary to have crsfted head? Bcs i have good head set…

[gusty mirage]

do you have the eranog ring

[dense herald]

this sounds nice tho ngl

[fallen olive]

I dont have eranog ring

[nocturne current]

Then likely no, crafted head is only there to trigger eranog ring

[fallen olive]

Ok

[balmy condor]

It’s better without ring

[fallen olive]

So emblishment into daggwr ?

[nocturne current]

Sim

[balmy condor]

As long as you have a 418 dagger and it doesn’t break your tier bonus, you go cowl + lariat

[fallen olive]

I have only 386 ilv.. reroll From mm Hunter

[balmy condor]

Craft a dagger, cowl and lariat then

[fallen olive]

I have lariat and daggers

Btw which professions on ass rogue ?

I have mining and jwl

[balmy condor]

Doesn’t matter

They don’t give anything

[fallen olive]

Ok thanks

Still Time untill end of season?? Get 417 ilv and atleast 2700 rating before season 2?

[dense herald]

whisp with PI and exang, do you want to have the pi buff up before you hit exang ?

[uncut echo]

man end of season is months away

[vapid sierra]

why do we double garrote in st opener?

[uncut echo]

ur chillin

[balmy condor]

Yes

[balmy condor]

Because ||read the faq, there’s a section titled “why double garrote”||

[vapid sierra]

sorry

[fallen olive]

So still a lot of Time

[uncut echo]

Probably

Depends on how good you are

[balmy condor]

Just live in game

Grind don’t stop

[uncut echo]

Yo

Like ZeroCool

woooooooooooooow

[nocturne current]

Lol

[spice spire]

Amen brother

Grustle is always on

[nocturne current]

Pugrind

This week is good to push

[spice spire]

Did someone say push week 🤨

[uncut echo]

push

[nocturne current]

o ye

[earnest remnant]

wat ya pushin buuud

[spice spire]

Wish I were pushing us :/

[earnest remnant]

[nocturne current]

i feel homo-erotic tension rising again

[oak sky]

i would push george into your arms

[spice spire]

God bless

I finally got him back today. Been petting him nonstop but he’s sleepy

[balmy condor]

You don’t get it man

I have to run these +25’s

Why would I show up to raz prog

[spice spire]

Nah, you have to run these nuts

[balmy condor]

Raz is forever

Sanguine week is temporary

I need my io

[oak sky]

i need my io

[balmy condor]

[oak sky]

real

[nocturne current]

https://tenor.com/view/kitten-kittens-cute-pet-give-me-attention-gif-12816949

[balmy condor]

What will people think if I’m 3050 and not 3100

[oak sky]

spiteful grievous my spring break week

or wait

no

[balmy condor]

Is it tyrannical grievous though

[oak sky]

😐

[balmy condor]

Cause that’s L

[oak sky]

its the tyran week after

after that fort

holy this week is raging storming

push week

[nocturne current]

in live

[balmy condor]

Can’t wait to push a socket out of my vault

Push week

[oak sky]

dude my mythic pug last night was so bad

[spice spire]

Amen

[oak sky]

i didnt even get vault

so i just have m+ slots

and another week with no fire ring

[spice spire]

Bless up

[uncut echo]

:3

[slow wadi]

was his grp when it was 24 🙂 had some tank dc issues and other fun stuff

[nocturne current]

[spice spire]

#1080572530554835072

[royal lantern]

clearly thats because you are small

[echo heath]

Our last minute patch note buffs are coming any second just like my mythic diurna dagger from the vault

[uncut echo]

your name has white supremacist undertones

:3

[cerulean walrus]

[ember mural]

[cerulean walrus]

It’s an inside joke regarding the clown that got banned earlier

[uncut echo]

nah I know Im being a goober

[cerulean walrus]

The goofy kind?

Yes

[uncut echo]

gotch

ta

ew

[cerulean walrus]

Nice filter

[uncut echo]

nah I deleted

[cerulean walrus]

Very nice

[cerulean walrus]

Dog just get it

[oak sky]

[cerulean walrus]

[oak sky]

[ember mural]

[royal lantern]

you dont need a shity ring

you are allready perfect

[oak sky]

i need a shitty ring

i am flawe

d

[royal lantern]

thats what they tell you to bring you down

dont show weakness

[oak sky]

i hide my weakness but they always find it (sub rogue)

[uncut echo]

I'll find you baby

[oak sky]

[spice spire]

nah I'm the silent majority that enjoys exsang

everyone else is a hater

(but it is very much the bozo from earlier that I almost insta gibbed)

[thorn fjord]

I’ve become so indifferent on exsang

[uncut echo]

just make it a 2 minute

[thorn fjord]

If it’s gonna put me over the rest of the ST classes just buff the damn thing and be done with it

I wanna slap slap ya feel?

I haven’t even touched my rogue outside of prog

We’re Chillen with the ebon boiz

[spice spire]

I’m a rat only fella rn

[thorn fjord]

My dk ain’t a rat no more

https://tenor.com/view/delivery-gif-5812069

Hope you guys had a good weekend @uncut echo @spice spire

[spice spire]

I did not

Ty though I genuinely appreciate it

[thorn fjord]

[uncut echo]

i

slept

so much

:C

apologies for no rat :C

[spice spire]

Literal last thing on my mind was wow related stuff

[thorn fjord]

All good I spent most the weekend with baby and Jess

And daylight savings ruined gamer hours

[spice spire]

Good im glad (Jess and the baby not dst)

[balmy condor]

Wait

Dm sauce

I was sleeping

[spice spire]

There’s no way

[balmy condor]

[stiff geode]

Only time I've seent it

[uncut echo]

YUGE

[stiff geode]

sims worse if I replace my 405 crafted ring, also the 398 grieftorch I was asking about the other day only sims for like 0.1% more

[uncut echo]

Yeah, 382 is a big oofer in the ilvl department.

[stiff geode]

For sure, got it early on.

Think I'll pass the grieftorch up though and just pick 6 merits/tokens (whichever people call em)

[uncut echo]

you have to factor in deaths on grieftorch

As well

Instantly skyrockets its value

But that's not something you can sim for

[stiff geode]

I keep forgetting about that portion of it 😄

🤔

[nocturne current]

EU M+ scene is so f dead after 02:00 AM..

[vestal granite]

solo queue is dead at 20:00 sunday

at least for dps

[slate forge]

bedtime for kids

ive noticed that sun-thursday nights

[spice spire]

[balmy condor]

Can you give George a forehead kiss for me

[fleet pagoda]

boomer central, no kids out here playin WoW

[spice spire]

Done, king

[oak tangle]

that's just cause all you EU are condensed no aussies and south americans to do you 2 am keys

[spice spire]

He sleepy from long weekend of playing in ball pit

[green juniper]

I mean, we are boomers we need some sleep

[shrewd night]

[uncut echo]

[pastel onyx]

[dim estuary]

Hello guys, quick question, do you have any issues finding m+ group as sin ?

[royal lantern]

need yes, actually get it? no

[royal lantern]

most groups dont check what spec you are playing they invite a rogue and thats it

[pastel onyx]

and when they know its too late

[gaunt moat]

I only got kicked once for being sin

[raven knoll]

same tbh

they only noticed because it took like 20 seconds to apply 10 different poisons and buzzing runes. Gave them enough time to inspect.

[uncut echo]

I haven't done a single key as sin this entire xpac

[steel ridge]

i did a few and its not worth it

[strange orchid]

Is this a bug lmao??

[uncut echo]

You using instant over deadly?

[strange orchid]

it let me put 4 poisons on, not sure why?

[uncut echo]

Dragon tempered blades.

[strange orchid]

oh I'm dumb haha

Sorry new to rogue!

[uncut echo]

Also, use deadly over instant.

Deadly + amp

[strange orchid]

better?

[uncut echo]

Ye

Game hard king

[strange orchid]

ty ty ❤️

same ty king

[oak tangle]

gotta be the best way to find out about dragon tempered blades

[uncut echo]

Lmao

[strange orchid]

Yeah my minds kinda blown haha

[steel ridge]

imagine reading what your talents do

[uncut echo]

Nah, no flame

[steel ridge]

just a general observation, people want in depth skill trees but dont bother to actually read what a node does

know so many people who just import stuff and go for it

[uncut echo]

People is a very large term

[strange orchid]

I mean, I leveled as sub and haven't played rogue in 5 years lol.

[steel ridge]

most think they want skill trees, but actually they want just big pew pew no matter the options 😄

[uncut echo]

Yup

But making overarching generalization doesn't really help anyone. For all intents and purposes, this was an isolated incident of someone not reading a talent. I get what you're saying, but it's not anyone's fault that they didn't read one of the 80 talent points and assumed something was a lil wonky.

I know it's mega easy to get upset at that stuff but a little patience goes such a long way

[steel ridge]

why do you think i am upset or specifically targeted anyone?

[uncut echo]

I don't believe you're upset

[steel ridge]

when next wave of PTR notes

thats what i am upset about

[uncut echo]

True and real

Tbh

[steel ridge]

unfinished class

[uncut echo]

[grim jay]

DW, there wont be any rogue buffs/changes either

[forest nacelle]

When does sin get bad in keys?

like level wise.

[agile fossil]

waddup boys i confirm the fenryr dagger exist , 85 runs , this is the loot

[forest nacelle]

sheesh

[shrewd night]

[forest nacelle]

but grats

xD

[shrewd night]

I fucking love reading this shit

"Hey man, why are we even arguing, lets hate on zero ptr notes together"
"Bet."

[grim jay]

It doesnt get magically worse at some point

[forest nacelle]

Good 😄

[grim jay]

Vibing

[balmy condor]

+22, amazing 300k dps

+23?

[shrewd night]

5k.

[balmy condor]

25k

[shrewd night]

Dog shit spec.

[balmy condor]

Utter garbage

[raven knoll]

more rogue nerfs

[balmy condor]

Unplayable

[forest nacelle]

wtf

😦

how is 300k bad?

[shrewd night]

[grim jay]

Ah right, forgot about the m+ hardcap

[balmy condor]

Aight I’m gonna go back to remoting into my desktop to do maplestory dailies

[shrewd night]

[balmy condor]

My joke missed

[shrewd night]

Joke deader than roadkill

[forest nacelle]

sorry 😦

guess im just dense.

[balmy condor]

We don’t have road kill here, just schools

[shrewd night]

Yoooo...

[balmy condor]

[forest nacelle]

thats messed.

[balmy condor]

OH YOU GET THAT ONE?

[shrewd night]

Oh, so he got THAT joke

[forest nacelle]

wtf xD

yea

[steel ridge]

its bad from the very start until the end

[balmy condor]

That’s not true, because I saw zerocool doing….

[grim jay]

"Its great for the first 10 seconds of the key"

[steel ridge]

what did he do again that makes you uncomfortable?

[forest nacelle]

sheesh, sorry i asked xD

[grim jay]

Zerogoat

[balmy condor]

Idk he plays whack

[steel ridge]

we established his unconventional ways

[balmy condor]

But spec is whack

So what do I care

Just push buttons

Shit doesn’t matter

[steel ridge]

exactly

just do it

defy the physics

[balmy condor]

Maintain everything with a duration and then just slam face onto keyboard

Gg Assassination

[forest nacelle]

the contradictions are strong today.

[grim jay]

But what about env and CT in aoe

[balmy condor]

What contradictions

[steel ridge]

contradict deez nuts

[forest nacelle]

Do stuff comments, but we bad.

idk.

[balmy condor]

[forest nacelle]

i still enjoy the spec so w/e

[grim jay]

You can do stuff while being bad

[steel ridge]

assassination is just objectively worse than sub in dungeons, by a mile.

theres no way around that

[grim jay]

Bad is not about doing it, its about what it amounts to

[steel ridge]

you can still enjoy yourself tho

[forest nacelle]

so i was not trying to compare.

[balmy condor]

Careful, I saw a tierlist from some guy on some webpage at some point that said otherwise

[steel ridge]

you werent?

if you ask if something is good or bad, you need to compare it to something similar

otherwise the whole question has no merit

[forest nacelle]

.>

[grim jay]

Its only a real tierlist if they encourage badly ranked specs with "dw, it scales well"

Change my mind

[balmy condor]

Is god good

[steel ridge]

dunno, how much dps does god do?

[balmy condor]

checks hunter dps

I mean they have to be somewhat biblical to get buffed while already being the best

[steel ridge]

celestial beings

[grim jay]

I mean

[forest nacelle]

true.....

[grim jay]

Maybe they hunt sinners in their freetime

[raven knoll]

🤔

[pastel onyx]

[balmy condor]

Hunters out here playing Aurelian Sol while we’re all just sitting here looking like gromp

[pastel onyx]

[balmy condor]

We don’t speak of the fok incident

[pastel onyx]

[subtle tundra]

Loser lol lingo

[steel ridge]

lmao

flying daggers ftw

[gaunt moat]

any translation into DotA?

[pastel onyx]

dragon knight in his ult form farming neutrals

[raven knoll]

any translation to HotS?

[balmy condor]

Don’t you have weeds to pick out of your dead empty plains of grass near of mount nothing, Romania, population my balls and your mother?

[pastel onyx]

[subtle tundra]

you cant even roast a g properly

imma go watch the last of us

[balmy condor]

Valeera asscheeks running from spawn is hunters, hots gameplay is assassination

[balmy condor]

I would need to know literally anything about Romania, and I don’t

[subtle tundra]

good

[subtle tundra]

say something about stealing

[gaunt moat]

All you gotta know is they like to sell watermelons on the side of roads

[balmy condor]

You stole my heart

[forest nacelle]

[royal lantern]

gromp is perfect in all ways, thank you and goodbye sir

[subtle tundra]

we sell anything on the side of roads

[subtle tundra]

i do have that effect on men

[gaunt moat]

And you have to bribe everyone

[balmy condor]

He’s a fat bitch that spits on me, checks out

[gaunt moat]

when i've been there it was litteraly watermelons everywhere

[uncut echo]

Imagine league

[forest nacelle]

[grim jay]

I only know transylvania

[raven knoll]

doesnt gromp lick?

[steel ridge]

can we stop talking about watermelons and go back to dooming?

[subtle tundra]

watermelon season goes hard

[balmy condor]

Probably

[uncut echo]

No doom

[forest nacelle]

why? Dooming is boring.

[uncut echo]

Only melon

[subtle tundra]

speaking of which. damn i'd eat a watameylon

[gaunt moat]

you don't like watermelons?

[oak tangle]

all i know of romania, is that one youtube guy who makes that fucking banger looking meat stuff

[balmy condor]

This channel is also very boring, so they kinda go hand in hand

[grim jay]

Bro you know dracula

[forest nacelle]

true

[royal lantern]

yes, like a proper 4m frog should do

[subtle tundra]

gym bros know about romanian dead lifts aswell

[forest nacelle]

i bet if i say "At the end of the day, i like play sin rogue" something bad will happen.

[grim jay]

Deadlifts are deadlifts, fuck variations

[uncut echo]

Liftkeeping

[gaunt moat]

I'm half romanian, I only know how to say "nuapte buene"

[subtle tundra]

noapte buna dumbass

[gaunt moat]

i was close

[steel ridge]

nah, nothing will happen

[forest nacelle]

[grim jay]

If you say you like it in m+ then yes

[steel ridge]

you just get shit on by ferals

[pastel onyx]

how does it go eeeh, fuck sumo only conventional counts?

[subtle tundra]

break the meta needs to come back this season

wanna play some assa

[pastel onyx]

[steel ridge]

what qualifies a spec for that format?

[subtle tundra]

to not be played

in high keys

[uncut echo]

To be under a certain percentage of play in keys over KSM level

[steel ridge]

so which specs actually qualify?

[pastel onyx]

prob something like

bear tanks

or brew

[steel ridge]

brew is giga strong

[subtle tundra]

brew is good

[pastel onyx]

ah ye

brew is used

[royal lantern]

most specs that are not the fotm of the Patch lol

[pastel onyx]

nvm

[subtle tundra]

vdh

[uncut echo]

Brew is infinity stonks

Vdh is down bad

[subtle tundra]

vhd bear and bdk

[uncut echo]

I hit 2800 on it before I quit

Bdk lmao

Bdk is nutso rn

[subtle tundra]

you know whats crazy

[pastel onyx]

Ye saw a stream of a particular outlaw playr, that guy hates to be mentioned, with a brew tank

[subtle tundra]

outlaw would probably qualify

as break the meta

cause everyone plays sub

[grim jay]

Ramfam?

[pastel onyx]

eeeeh

[steel ridge]

current iteration of outlaw does suck balls

[pastel onyx]

it starts with sha

[steel ridge]

fuck that ambush bullshit

[pastel onyx]

https://tenor.com/view/stoned-cat-stoned-cat-funny-huh-gif-19222132

[royal lantern]

ofc, dead spec, the 0,4%nerf(that was a buff) KILLED the spec afterall

[subtle tundra]

honestly i kinda want to play assa

some m+

[pastel onyx]

I have a solution

eh

play

[subtle tundra]

i dont want to pug

[pastel onyx]

wym, peak gameplay

[subtle tundra]

ill just join my guildies

[pastel onyx]

[subtle tundra]

and swap from sub

and dont tell them

[steel ridge]

they wont notice anyway

guildie asked me after raiding yesterday if blessing of summer is any good on assassination

[pastel onyx]

just apply everything beforehand so they wont notice

[subtle tundra]

i mean

[royal lantern]

100% yes

like, besides the fact that i cant play outlaw cus of CTS anyway the gameplay loop rn is just stupid and imo its obvious as hell that its not intended that way

[pastel onyx]

ur taking etenrity

to prep

before the key

[subtle tundra]

sjele did say assa is probably better than sub in algethar

so you know!

[grim jay]

I literally got asked by different people to teach them sub bcs outlaw dead, I was like nah bro, no switcheroo over that shit if you only played outlaw the last year

[pastel onyx]

silence

[steel ridge]

its either, change audacity to change buttons on bar or fucking remove that abomination

[royal lantern]

i dont even know what the blessings do mate

[steel ridge]

not very impactful stuff that the paladin should know best about what to do with it... but heck i wasnt even playing assassination all evening 😄

[subtle tundra]

anyone bought flavored creatine

sorry for ot

[pastel onyx]

[subtle tundra]

not sorry actually

[grim jay]

No I use capsules

[oak tangle]

do romanians get offended if you mistake azerbaijan for them?

[subtle tundra]

no, cause we dont know what azerbaijan is

[steel ridge]

most people wont recognise rogue specs, its just a rogue

[pastel onyx]

I think armenians would

[steel ridge]

my RL usually goes like "how does whatever spec you are do on that boss?"

[pastel onyx]

[oak tangle]

they are east of the Mediterranean not north

[grim jay]

Its sad if people get offended by nationality anyways

[subtle tundra]

i dont know what that means either

its ok

[grim jay]

Except if you call someone french

[oak tangle]

like opposite side of the black sea

[grim jay]

I can understand that

[pastel onyx]

[subtle tundra]

do NOT call me french

[oak tangle]

as someone from the only continent with a single country in it. coutries are hard

[subtle tundra]

uh

russia

no

[raven knoll]

Do not call anyone french, not even the french

[subtle tundra]

sory

[pastel onyx]

[subtle tundra]

new zealand?!

[oak tangle]

close

[pastel onyx]

AFRICA?

[subtle tundra]

gaddman

wtf why is the last episode of tlou only 43 minutes

[grim jay]

There is a country that lived the GD ?

[oak tangle]

GD?

[royal lantern]

"uh, looks like most people play X spec on that fight, can you do it?"

"eh, the spec im playing can do this thing better, so i rather dont swap"

"allright"

every single rogue spec discussion with non rogues ever

[grim jay]

German Dream

[oak tangle]

Australia

[grim jay]

Uh ye

[oak tangle]

whole continent to ourselves

[steel ridge]

i default to assassination most of the time and switch if the fight REALLYL DEMANDS it

[royal lantern]

ye

same lol

didnt had the really demands situation yet

[oak tangle]

outside island countries I'm pretty sure we are the biggest country to not share a border with another one

[uncut echo]

Only fight I dont play sin on is council

[steel ridge]

what

[uncut echo]

And raz if I get there

[steel ridge]

sin on council is ok

[uncut echo]

Nah it's v unfun for me

Giga infinity omega pass from me dawg

[grim jay]

Dathea

[steel ridge]

its alright

[uncut echo]

I just sit boss on dathea

[royal lantern]

i play it there cus its a meme fight and i cba swapping specs for a meme lol

[oak tangle]

if you can humble yourself to never parse, you can be content with knowing you slapp the boss

[steel ridge]

❤️

[royal lantern]

98on council here

[grim jay]

99

[oak tangle]

😢

[uncut echo]

I'll be getting a 99 on mythic tmrw

I'm sure of it

[steel ridge]

probably need PI now

[royal lantern]

ye

[steel ridge]

some big baller PI logs in there now

[grim jay]

I badly need to rekill terros and kurog actually. Have like 87 on both

[oak tangle]

i need to find a mythic team so i can start getting any

[steel ridge]

terros is actually my worst log xD

its always kind of a fiesta or something doesnt work out

[uncut echo]

God same

[royal lantern]

same lmao, 76

[steel ridge]

no wf, no warrior, bench, somethings up every time

[grim jay]

We carried new people through it in all the kills

Boss always died right when the last DM came up

[steel ridge]

i actually got a 93, but was sorting by world rank

ofc theres alot more terros kills out there so not having a 99 is going to put you way back in the ranks

[velvet ridge]

What do you guys think sin needs to be S tier in m+? I already think its much better then perceived but just curious what you think its lacking or what inherent flaws it has

[drifting cloud]

alot

[royal lantern]

dmg

dmg is all that Matters lol

[drifting cloud]

semi redesign and a tier bonus that wont be st

since this one wasnt next 3 probably will be!

[royal lantern]

monkeys paw: you get a tierset that is only aoe

but its still only mediocre at best aoe and cleave, and now its also bad at st cus everyone else has a st set

[storm onyx]

Please no lol

[balmy condor]

i think the number 1 thing needs is an aoe design that makes sense

and not just “maintain CT and then idk just use buttons, envenom’s good, ct’s good, sure clip the dot who cares”

[subtle tundra]

make ap a separate button, make ic side not give 0 st

(ofc a redesign would be best, but im realistic)

[royal lantern]

so nothing?

[pastel onyx]

Find and help realz escape from whatever prison he got put into

[subtle tundra]

well, also a full redesign of the right side of class tree

the fact that there were NO CHANGES so far to it

is fucking absurd

[storm onyx]

Make CT dmg to roll over/stack and Fok to trigger all CT to detonate

[subtle tundra]

uhgmmmggmmgm make MA 100%

its assa only. no need to balance it around sub and outlaw

[balmy condor]

sub and outaw are playing with 29 points in the class tree and we’re still worse its fine dont worry about it

[pastel onyx]

Improve survivability so I can solo elites

Specifically fire ones

[balmy condor]

skill issue

[pastel onyx]

[drifting cloud]

baron whateverhisname is the true endboss of df

[pastel onyx]

It was him all this time

[velvet ridge]

An idea I was having was make ct extend your current dots, gives you a clearer purpose when you need to do things

[balmy condor]

do you think that guy ever managed to kill it

[pastel onyx]

We can only guess

And pray for him

[balmy condor]

yucky, removes multi-dotting entirely, and doesnt make our aoe rotation anymore clear?

pass from me

[oak tangle]

would IC break the bank if it applied an improved garrote? would help a lil bit with ST having an extra empowered garrote

[limber lion]

I don't think it would really do anything tbh

Wouldn't change it one way or the other

[balmy condor]

it would help single target but that feels really weird conceptually

you hit ic every 45 seconds in single target because you get an improved garrote?

thats not why you took ic

its like a CT in single target situation

but probably worse cause its an aoe cooldowb

[subtle tundra]

make sob 2 points!

[balmy condor]

and then what

[subtle tundra]

the less we have to invest into aoe the better

[pastel onyx]

Replace spec with a healing one

[balmy condor]

what are you taking with that point varas

[subtle tundra]

1 medium sized portion of BITCHES

im tryina cut

[balmy condor]

lose 1 sob, gain 1 improved poison

decent trade i guess

[subtle tundra]

awesome

[subtle tundra]

i didnt mean losing any sob power

you just put 2 points instead of 3

[royal lantern]

lets also remove 1point improved poison then

[storm onyx]

PB triggers all bleeds a tick, each tick?

[royal lantern]

[limber lion]

make every node a 1 point node

[royal lantern]

remove all nodes

[subtle tundra]

you know what

remove the tree

[balmy condor]

yeah like they did with zoldyck right? RIGHT?

[pastel onyx]

Remove talents everything baseline

[balmy condor]

[storm onyx]

Remove the paths between nodes

[subtle tundra]

actually remove the tree, just make it so you choose m+ or raid setup

thats it

[pastel onyx]

Make nodes with uncapped scaling

[drifting cloud]

hey whispyr maybe we get shadow crash

[subtle tundra]

no choices

[pastel onyx]

10 points into garrote

[gaunt moat]

Make just 6 rows where you choose one out of 3 options

[drifting cloud]

you never know what the next sp rework brings

[storm onyx]

Shivers

[subtle tundra]

or actually

[pastel onyx]

https://tenor.com/view/stoned-cat-stoned-cat-funny-huh-gif-19222132

[subtle tundra]

bring back old talent system. just make it choose 2 out of 4 capstones

[royal lantern]

my idea for the last row: hidden blades, crimson tempest and poison bomb, what do you think?

[subtle tundra]

AAAAAAAAAAA

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

HIDDEN BLADESSSSSS

[gaunt moat]

print it and ship it

[balmy condor]

your words do not hurt me, i will receive word of spriest changes with a thick french accent while the entire raid gets railed by 25%

[subtle tundra]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

i love mondays

[royal lantern]

yo whispyr, wanna throw some car batteries into the ocean togheter?

[subtle tundra]

nvm

its leg day

[pastel onyx]

[balmy condor]

after we drink the spicy battery juice right

[royal lantern]

[velvet ridge]

Leg day? On Monday? Every Monday is national bench press day

[subtle tundra]

thats wednesday :/

[pastel onyx]

Maan I miss bouldering

[subtle tundra]

im not agile enough for that

[balmy condor]

i miss all the good sin m+ players who arent pushing sin

[pastel onyx]

[subtle tundra]

oi

want a toe suck?

[pastel onyx]

[balmy condor]

maybe i do

[pastel onyx]

Man I love foking

[uncut echo]

Fok this

[oak tangle]

https://tenor.com/view/guenther-steiner-haas-haas-f1team-kevin-magnussen-romain-grosjean-gif-18930755

[spice spire]

[red tinsel]

I guess Assa could take some inspiration from Unholy, it'd be nice to have something like Plaguebringer to speed up bleed damage on AoE, or an effect similar to epidemic

Like, idk, make enemies with bleeds splash extra damage when hit by poison bomb

[gray crest]

I myself am a fan of idea of bringing back the advancing of bleeds passive that sub rogues had in HFC but for sin

[green juniper]

Very noob question, fok or mutilate for 2-3 enemies?

[gaunt moat]

FoK is 3+

[lapis coral]

Hello, first time posting on this discord.
I'm trying to create a Macro for the ease of use for Exsanguinate, Deathmark and the Orc Blood Fury race ability.

The goal is to create a 1-button Macro that will let me use all three and also let me use Deathmark when Exsanguinate is on CD.

What I got so far is this:
/castsequence reset=179 Exsanguinate, Deathmark, Deathmark
This lets me use Ex with first press, then second press Death and Death mark again will Ex is still on CD.
But I have not found a way to include Blood Fury with out adding another button press.

Doing:
/cast Blood Fury
/castsequence reset=179 Exsanguinate, Deathmark, Deathmark
Works on the first Ex and Death but does not allow the second Death

does anybody have a solution?

the only solution that I can think of, is wring a Macro for Blood Fury + Exanguinate and another Macro for Blood Fury + Deathmark, and then have a castsequence that presses the specific button were the Ex and Death-macros are

[thorn fjord]

tbh i would just macro BF to DM and manually cast exsang

[graceful ferry]

hey guys new to sin, im on a nelf and wasnt sure if meld was interacting properly with improved garrote/shrouded suffocation, i've seen meld/stealth macros but not how i know if its worked

[lapis coral]

I know that I could make a Macro for BF +Dm and/or Ex, but I want to know, if it is specifically possible to make Macro that does it in 1 Button (and not use other Macros)

[craggy oak]

dont have an answer for you unfortunately - but it does sound like you are trying to create a complicated solution for a simple problem - jsut have exang and DM on separate buttons - you might be struggling at the start but you will get used to it in no time, and it will be much better - i think everyone in here would also give you the same advice

afaik cast sequence macros are not really a thing people use.

[lapis coral]

I mean the cast sequence I posted above lets you perfectly use Ex and DM as 1 Button 🤷‍♂️ BF left aside, the only thing the Macro can't do, that you could do if you had DM and Ex on different buttons would be to cast DM first and then Ex [while Ex is off CD] (if for what ever reason you wanted to do that).

[red tinsel]

I believe it is.

I have a macro for Frost DK that uses Abom Limb + Empower rune weapon + Pillars of Frost + Raise Dead all in one button because they're all off-GCD.

Unfortunately I'm at work now and can't check until later

[storm onyx]

You can separate them by modifiers

[red tinsel]

Worst case scenario you'd have them all in one button, and if they're not off gcd, you'd just have to press the button twice

[lapis coral]

Ex and Dm are on the gcd and Blood Fury is off the gcd

[red tinsel]

I did at one point have DM+Exsang+Trinket so shouldn't be much different, I think all you need to do is to press it for each GCD

First press would apply the first skill on the macro and second would apply the subsequent one

[red tinsel]

This is not a bad idea either tbh, I do similar on Mutilate and Ambush

[gaunt moat]

That's not what he's asking though

[lapis coral]

Right, the question is, can you do a Macro that would not add an extra press for Blood Fury.

[red tinsel]

Then no, you can't

[placid ermine]

!tea

I guess no command

Do you guys use tea in burst, or save it for actual energy usage only?

with exh and puzzle

[red tinsel]

Actual energy mostly

I remember Whispyr said you don't use it in Burst at one point, not sure if that changed, but I personally always feel tempted to use it during DM

[fallow sentinel]

in opener you can use it once, since you got more charges

[placid ermine]

cuz i usually find myself being energy capped basically for nearly 30 seconds of the fight

and that basically half a charge wasted

[lapis coral]

Well, I could make a Macro that uses other Macros, and in the other Macros I could do "/cast BF; /cast Ex".

[gaunt moat]

@lapis coral I've tried to research why would that macro fail, but I can't find a reason.
the first cast is instant with 0 GCD and should go off every press without disrupting the cast sequence.

[red tinsel]

This.

Tea is best only for energy, but since on opener you are already capped and won't be energy starved anytime soon, use it for burst

There's no point on having tea with 3 stacks and not 2 and one in CD

[placid ermine]

so what's the optimal timer? Right after deathmark?

[fallow sentinel]

with shiv

[red tinsel]

Id say yes, with shiv, but I don't know. Makes sense since you got all your dots up and doubled with the nature dmg +

Iirc Tea is only 6 sec too so no point having it too early during setup

[placid ermine]

and in the rest of the fight use it basically when energy starved, but do you try to pair it up with like a shiv window or sth like that?

or just press whenever low

[fallow sentinel]

best is to pair it up with shiv/death mark windows

[placid ermine]

cuz you can to some extent control when you're gonna get low

aight i see

[fallow sentinel]

as long as you don't cap it outt

[placid ermine]

man im so lost with assa since we started taking tea

been playing it since 7.0 as a main, and i actually feel more comfortable on sub now FeelsBadMan

[limpid ermine]

I mean don't you just use it when the best chance to get 100 energy? Or use it with like echoing to spam envenoms?

[thorn fjord]

Use it when youre at 40 energy or lower

[limpid ermine]

or when you have 3 charges

[lapis coral]

I'm fucking dumb.
#Showtooltip Exsanguinate
/cast Blood Fury
/castsequence reset=179 Exsanguinate, Deathmark, Deathmark
thats the Macro I use, it works 100% having Ex, DM and BF as 1 Button and allows DM to be used will Ex on Cd. But after using it, it does not show the cd of DM (what I thought) but of BF. Well. lol. solved I guess.

[limpid ermine]

yeah macros like that always show the cd of the first ability on the toolbar

Noticed that when I macro'd dps pots to an ability

[storm onyx]

Do not spam the tea, pace it so you dont get floored between DMs

[gaunt moat]

@lapis coral yeah, i just tried it myself (using thistle tea isntead of blood fury) just to make sure it works and it works

[placid ermine]

if the fight will be much longer than 3 minutes, is it better to waith with 2nd deathmark for puzzle + exh, or to wait with 2nd exh + puzzle for 3rd deathmark?

basically im asking about terros mythic

[fallow sentinel]

dm always on cd

[red tinsel]

What's up with everyone using Exsang again, I have been off Assa for a couple weeks, what happened?

[uncut echo]

You always used it

Even after it got nerfed

[thorn fjord]

We're holding Exsang for 4m DM now

[uncut echo]

It is still bis

[placid ermine]

been a fan of exh since 7.0

[uncut echo]

Exsang should die

[placid ermine]

does that assume vanish before first deathmark?

[thorn fjord]

Vanish before the exsang

[uncut echo]

Vanish gar exs

[thorn fjord]

Vanish Gar Exsang DM

[placid ermine]

exsang shouldnt die, it should be nerfed slightly and turned into 2min

[uncut echo]

Nah, delete it, such a dogwater talent

[placid ermine]

why do u guys hate exh

[gaunt moat]

@lapis coral Honestly, only reason I wouldn't use such a macro, is because you might not always take exsanguinate, and then the macro will fail.

[red tinsel]

Had no idea, I dropped it after the 3m nerf. Is it always bis or only with Puzzlebox?

[uncut echo]

#assassination message

[thorn fjord]

Weird button... Doesnt feel amazing when you press it

[uncut echo]

@placid ermine

[placid ermine]

it does to me

[lapis coral]

Do you guys ever open with Ambush into Garrote (Pve, single target) or always Garrote?

[placid ermine]

i see a lot of numbers, and get infinite energy

[thorn fjord]

#assassination message

[red tinsel]

I don't hate exsang, hate that it doesn't line up with other CDs

[thorn fjord]

Thing is you dont really see alot of numbers

[lapis coral]

You mean if I change spec?

[placid ermine]

that i hate myself, if i was 2 min it would be completely fine

could actually be baked into deathmark

[gaunt moat]

if you change spec it will obviosuly not work because you won't even have DM.
but i meant if you didn't take exsnauinate

[placid ermine]

"makes ur dots tick 100% faster"

[vestal wren]

you could argue that the higher cooldown does to a degree fix the spell

[storm onyx]

Ambush is something we do just by procs

[red tinsel]

Also it doesn't feel powerful enough to be a 3m CD (not like Gary)

[uncut echo]

Nah, I don't think you can. It's just worse and awkward.

[thorn fjord]

you COULD but why would you

[uncut echo]

It was such a garbage fix

[lapis coral]

right, I mean in the m+ spec were the proc is not skilled

[placid ermine]

i think it makes the spell worse

not fixes it

it jsut makes spec awkward

[vestal wren]

because one of the big issues was the low cooldown

[red tinsel]

Fuu, meant to ask, is there a sweet spot on secondary distribution to be able to change between Assa and Sub ?

[vestal wren]

if you probably just go crit/mastery its perfectly fine for both

[thorn fjord]

Having something additional to press every 45s wasnt awful and it lined up with ER 🤷‍♂️

[red tinsel]

Been meaning to try Sub for M+ and help my team better, but I love Assa raid

[storm onyx]

Always garrote

[lapis coral]

ty ❤️

[vestal wren]

oh, i assumed your opinion on the spell was negative

[thorn fjord]

Im indifferent at this point

It doesnt bother me

We got bigger fish to fry at this point

[red tinsel]

Just too initially overwhelmed by how complicated Sub feels initially with stuff like GB during dance or shifting priority given Dance Macabre

[vestal wren]

the frequency of use made bleed refreshes/etc fairly annoying

[thorn fjord]

Its a 4 button spec

[red tinsel]

I played it back on Legion, seems like a whole different ballgame nowadays

[vestal wren]

so the longer cooldown makes you only play around it at specific times, what does eliminate this problem

[placid ermine]

i would argue assa is much more complex than sub

[vestal wren]

i don't think the spell is good for obv. reasons, but the long cooldown makes it okay

[placid ermine]

@vestal wren man, never meet your heroes in person Sadge

[red tinsel]

Maybe I just need to try and get the muscle memory going, it just feels daunting to deal with so many modifiers

[placid ermine]

i cant believe you'd hate exh

[thorn fjord]

Long CD makes it feel irrelevant to me.. Like its not that gig powerful that it should be 3m cd but meh

[vestal wren]

fair

[red tinsel]

For 3m CD I'd expect it to be a 700k+ button press like Gary, but that'd be mighty broken

[vestal wren]

rly don't need to fear it, it comes naturally after you practice it a bit

[graceful ferry]

anyone able to give me a hand with shadowmelding for improved garrotes, not sure of execution

[gusty mirage]

what issue are you having with it

[fallow sentinel]

I dislike exsang cuz you skill it to have it atleast 1 min on cd for your 3rd dm - doesn't make sense to me

[graceful ferry]

from my understanding im meant to press stealth right after meld is hit, but im finding it not dropping combat and unable to enter stealth,

i found this macro but havin the above issue when using it

#showtooltip Shadowmeld
/cast [combat] Shadowmeld
/cast [nocombat] !Stealth

[gusty mirage]

so unique thing about meld, is that you can meld->stealth on trash but not on bosses

[placid ermine]

well but that's not really hating exh, that's hating the unreasonable nerf it got

[gusty mirage]

cause boss combat triggers perma combat so you'd be unable to stealth after the meld

[graceful ferry]

oh thats new info, appreciate the help there, so on trash my macro should work just fine?

[gusty mirage]

ya that macro will work fine on trash

[graceful ferry]

thanks for the help!

[gusty mirage]

[thorn fjord]

Aww i thought meld worked on bosses too

And i was so exicted going nelf

[signal badger]

Any ideas how 10.0.7 ring is looking for us?

[vestal wren]

the main issue with the ring is that it has no secondary stats

simulations are not completed, early look... its fairly meh

[gusty mirage]

ya and we can't actually test a lot of the gems either

[vestal wren]

^ blizz sadly didn't add a vendor to the ptr to allow for easy testing

[signal badger]

Ah that’s sad, was hoping cos ring would get replaced

[thorn fjord]

It will with the new rotation

[vestal wren]

its still more than a week, we might see changes to the ring

but i feel like blizz can't win this

the ring is good: "no borrowed power... thanks for keeping the promise"
the ring is bad: "nothing to do, could at least make the ring strong"

[signal badger]

Yeah I agree bliz can’t win with it

[thorn fjord]

FAQ image is the most up to date iirc

Yep you're playing around pandemic

to get the highest uptime for exsang

[steel ridge]

delete exsang

[gusty mirage]

is it that time of the month already?

alright where's the person complaining about slice and dice?

[vestal wren]

damn, can we finally get rid of rupture

such a bad ability, does not even do as much damage as on subtlety

better remove it

(i am joking obv.)

[green juniper]

guys any cool raids like ulduar I shall do need some relaxing shit to do

[gaunt moat]

Sup

[gusty mirage]

[wary bridge]

Does master assassin increase crit of everything including trinkets/boon?

[brazen zodiac]

💃

[oak tangle]

no

it doesn't buff trinks like how it did spears etc in SL dungeons and stuff

[gusty mirage]

the talent didn't affect the spears in SL dungeons either

that was the legendary

[echo heath]

I just want a dagger that looks like a tuna sandwich

[thorn fjord]

No crust right?

[red tinsel]

It bugs me a bit that Sub rupture deals more damage than Assa rupture tbh

So maybe you're on to something

[north basin]

assasinate means u kill ur target quick. no one promised u rot to death ur targets with poisons!

[uncut echo]

What else do you use daggers for

[ebon notch]

exsang is when ur in a rush

faster bleeding = more dead

[neon kindle]

Maybe the Bootie rogue should be the quick burst class

u know, kuz it tryna assassinate you

[undone eagle]

The assa changes was today? I see my talents got reset e.e

[green juniper]

my alt 3 AA runs so far

[uncut echo]

There were no changes

[neon kindle]

when ass rogue gets a thimbles worth of a change this chat will be non stop rejoicing for the first full 24h it happens

you'll know when it gets an update

[silk bane]

[thorn fjord]

No it won’t

We’re on perma doom my friend

[silk bane]

it actually makes me tear up a little bit everytime someone says 'sub and outlaw are op as fuck right now its not worth fixing sin when the other 2 specs are so strong'

[uncut echo]

They're absolutely wrong

[neon kindle]

do actual humans say stuff like that?

[thorn fjord]

Mouth Breathers do

[silk bane]

you mean you've never heard anyone say that? idk man people are hard copingright now

anytime u say anything about buffing a rogue spec their first argument is that theres a rogue in all highest keys done, and that rogues are immortal and do too much damage.

legit dont even know what to tell them

[vestal wren]

shouldn't rly, both have different design