F is blind
#assassination
thorn fjord
uncut echo
F4 FOR ME LMAO
uncut echo
I'm a clicker
Feels Frost mage
echo cargo
random fossil
this is the way
uncut echo
this is the way
winter gale
thorn fjord
yuh
spice spire
In ur dreams
spice spire
I mean I’m not raiding to but ye
uncut echo
it's a 1v1 in valdrakken then
If I win you put on thr cat ears
If you win you get absolutely nothing
spice spire
uncut echo
It's a bet
spice spire
I’ll never put on the cat ears
balmy condor
I will
spice spire
I know
spice spire
The cat ears stay off
uncut echo
Only if you beat me in a 1v1
spice spire
I never agreed to this
spice spire
No man
uncut echo
Yeah
balmy condor
The cat ears stay **off**
Val just called, she’s really sad and told me she needs you to send me selfies with cat ears it’s the only thing that will help
balmy condor
Only cat ears will do
spice spire
Unlucky
balmy condor
She was very specific
gray crest
Just pay your taxes this year with feet pics
vestal wren
Only cat ears will do
feet with cat ears?
balmy condor
feet with cat ears?
One pair for each toe
spice spire
I know that isn’t Val because her one vice was always wanting me to wear jorts
spice spire
No. She means like
spice spire
Girl jorts
thorn fjord
Oh like daisy dukes?
spice spire
Yeah
balmy condor
Send thighs
thorn fjord
You extra thicc or?
spice spire
Wtf
thorn fjord
😅
gray crest
Answer the question
balmy condor
Are you from Tennessee
spice spire
balmy condor
Because you’re the only mfer I want to ride like a bull
spice spire
balmy condor
That’s how that goes right
thorn fjord
I think it’s something like
gray crest
spice spire
Sure is buddy, it sure is
balmy condor
I’m more of a donkey
Because you’re an ass?
spice spire
uncut echo
Man what the FUCK
I leave for 15 minutes
And we start talking about Quake caked up in Jorts
????
spice spire
thorn fjord
He said it not us @uncut echo
gloomy knoll
@uncut echo so true
spice spire
Mfs really gonna listen to me in unhinged times
uncut echo
Unhinged quake is bis quake
spice spire
(No it’s not)
gloomy knoll
This was the notification unhinged quake was just the icing on top
spice spire
That mf always unhinged tho
gloomy knoll
True lol hi chews make you act up fr
limber lion
I've finally officially stepped down from Mythic raiding. I'm free!
What's up my casual homies
uncut echo
I gotcha. Hopefully it settles soon!
limber lion
Don't have time to maintain 2-3 characters, do m+, raid 1-3 days a week or anything like that
spice spire
I didn’t realize you were in school too
limber lion
Nah it won't, which is why I stepped down.
limber lion
But I'd much rather spend all of my time working and doing the thing I like, instead of playing WoW which hasn't been super duper lucrative the past few months
spice spire
limber lion
I do have a new 2.5k€ PC arriving in a few weeks
formal ore
I do have a new 2.5k€ PC arriving in a few weeks
noice
formal ore
Good computer to watch Youtube videos on and play Oldschool Runescape
omegalul
uncut echo
Good computer to watch Youtube videos on and play Oldschool Runescape
LETS GO
LETS FUCKING GO CEV
oak sky
What's up my casual homies
What up slime
vestal wren
I do have a new 2.5k€ PC arriving in a few weeks
nicu, what cpu/gpu did you go for?
polar shale
for sin ST rotation... do people care to max envenom debuff uptime? >_>
formal ore
people say ffxiv is way more casual u could try that also if u end up missing mmos
uncut echo
for sin ST rotation... do people care to max envenom debuff uptime? >_>
Yeah, try to maintain it as best you can while Max cp -1 finisher rule.
subtle tundra
and i dont want to spend 70 euros on a 1tb ssd
uncut echo
It should happen naturally
subtle tundra
using my computer on 250 ssd
limber lion
nicu, what cpu/gpu did you go for?
All Nocco raiders got a free RTX 4070 TI, so that. Also i7 13700k
polar shale
It should happen naturally
i feel like i don't have enough energy to do that while still fitting 3/4 envenoms on every shiv window
subtle tundra
All Nocco raiders got a free RTX 4070 TI, so that. Also i7 13700k
ok buddy im applying
limber lion
ok buddy im applying
Gl
subtle tundra
who is my competition
limber lion
Fotmrogue
subtle tundra
not real competition
vestal wren
All Nocco raiders got a free RTX 4070 TI, so that. Also i7 13700k
oh wow thats amazing, rly nice
limber lion
limber lion
My main was like 1950 total before I quit it and started playing GIM with my friend.
Been casually playing it on and off since the release, haven't really been playing that much honestly
uncut echo
My friend quit GIM so it's just a diet iron sitting at 1400 total
:(
I got really into raids during Covid
Made like 4.5b and sold it lmao
limber lion
Christ
uncut echo
I saw 4 tbow splits in 95 kc 3 man
limber lion
I just liquidated my bank and I've been using the money on that character to buy bonds for my gim
uncut echo
If I can get my homie to come back I'd quit wow instantly
Duo gim is honestly my favorite game
limber lion
Yeh pretty fun
hallow token
I'M still thinking about Assassination being on the bottom of overall, and why that might be. Like the logs from last week and this week are based on the top parses at mythic raid difficulty, so it isn't really an LTP issue or anything like that. Has anyone worked out what our ramp up time to max rolling damage is? This seems to be an issue on smaller mobs where they are all dead before we have time to get our damage going, and I am wondering if that is a factor... and it might point to why were are 4th or 5th on boss damage, but bottom overall? It may not show up in raids, but you can see it in exaggerated fashion if a high skill M+ team runs a normal or a heroic dungeon, where trash mobs almost all the way to the boss are dead before we have time to get going. Probably, Assassination being on the botom overall is a combination of many things. At the moment, wondering if amount of time it takes to ramp up the poisons and bleeds might be one of them. Insights appreciated.
subtle tundra
ummm its mostly just assa being bad
vestal wren
turn the statistic to heroic, you will be a lot happier
gaunt moat
fuu why are you being toxic
drowsy creek
I'M still thinking about Assassination being on the bottom of overall, and why t...
Pretty much because of the damage profile as you said, since balance druid have the same damage profile as assassin and its pretty much in the same place
gaunt moat
balance doesn't have the same damage profile as sin at all 🤔
balmy condor
drowsy creek
it doesn't? I thought it was about ramping dot
oblique jackal
Sin was nerfed too hard before raid
gaunt moat
@hallow token
- Sin has been over-nerfed at first 2 months of expansion when it performed well in heroic (+ WFR guild stacked sin)
- Other specs got buffed / got the gear they needed to shine (hunter)
- Sin's big CDs are awkward to use and sync, and at times require you to know in advance how long the fight is to use optimally.
- Other classes that perform better will usually benefit from PI, further increasing the gap in WCL meters.
- Sin can't AoE in raid. period. Even its cleave is awful on primal council. (i've seen people do 180k with sin, but so far i got 120k tops. it's hard to play that well)
royal lantern
How do you only do 120k on council lmao
just put some bleeds out, slam CT and yeha, 150k
gaunt moat
it's too much
proud hollow
100% agree with what notter mentioned.
odd heath
Council fights are not for every assa player
proud hollow
They shouldn't have nerfed assa then buff the heck outta other classes
uncut echo
I afked for the first 25 seconds of council and did 134
proud hollow
and then we got an assassination rework if you could it that
keen spruce
The best assas setup is pretty heavily front loaded with puzzle / exang so your best parses are going to be like 4:30-5:00 fights. but the giga opener classes completely out pace us in shorter fights.
The only thing that we are best at is execute but this late into the tier the only bosses that really get a lot of value from it are brood and raz (maybe dathea with a burn strat). but since we don't take 3x zoldyk we don't really fall into our niche there either. as the early bosses get flooded with super fast kill times we just get shit on by the heavy burst classes in single target
dense herald
The raid is full of burst aoe so classes that can get quick burst damage out are shining atm
Then fights like dathea/brood usually sin will be left on the boss whilst others go on the platform and aoe adds which also impacts overalls
keen spruce
and raz
all of the fights where assas execute can shine in long fights and impactful execute also have heavy cleave elements so our overall is gonna look like dogshit compared to specs that can 'pad' on heavy cleave during earlier parts of the fights
royal lantern
i mean, you could also just Tl:DR it
with "no aoe/bad cleave, ST niche doesnt really exist, pure ST dmg is not exceptional"
cus thats more or less everything
if assa had atleast decent aoe, it would not feel so bad 
dense herald
Assa has decent aoe when you spec into it but you lose ST, classes that shine can do a bit of both without suffering significantly in one
keen spruce
functional 2-4 target damage in a single target build with multi dotting would alleviate some of the issue
but since rupture is kinda ass
we either spec AoE and still do bad
royal lantern
Assa has decent aoe when you spec into it but you lose ST, classes that shine ca...
"you can get decent aoe but lose all ST dmg" is NOT decent aoe in a game where more or less everyone else can do decent aoe with good ST, or INSANE aoe for losing 3%st dmg lol
keen spruce
or spec ST and do nothing in AoE
proud hollow
Assa's ST is exactly the best either
royal lantern
its really just
keen spruce
if there was a 9-10 minute patchwerk fight near the end of the raid assas would do fine, but that never happens lol
dense herald
"you can get decent aoe but lose all ST dmg" is NOT decent aoe in a game where m...
Well decent aoe is decent aoe
Losing ST or being forced into one build completely is more a class/tree design issue
gaunt moat
"you can get decent aoe but lose all ST dmg" is NOT decent aoe in a game where m...
and even than the AoE isn't that good
dense herald
No fights this raid warrant a full aoe build because there’s so much ST
royal lantern
blizz doesnt desing specs around "you either go full aoe or full st and cant do anything else", more or less everyone still does good aoe with their 100%st builds, and when they go full aoe they lose like 5-10%st dmg max
assa meanwhile can only go full ST, and when it goes aoe it loses all that ST dmg and then still has 20x worse aoe then a DH that plays his 100%ST build lol
dense herald
so we never do aoe essentially
keen spruce
If there was a full AoE fight of like 8 targets we would still be bottom 1/3rd in a full AoE build
generously
idk where you're getting "decent" from
proud hollow
If there was a full AoE fight of like 8 targets we would still be bottom 1/3rd i...
yeap
royal lantern
like, assa needs just workable aoe
doesnt need insane
just aoe that doesnt fuck all your ST dmg by taking it
and is not bellow tank dmg aoe
that is also gated behind 45sec cd
keen spruce
baseline crimson tempest and AP not being a capstone
storm onyx
Tbf, I am not concerned about AoE; especially with so many classes can just waltz it. Yet I do want back the 2-3 target cleave power we had.
keen spruce
would help a bit
but that's kind of low on the priority list of shit that's wrong with assas
thorn fjord
Fuck aoe just buff our dmg some more so we're just top ST Boss damage
and sin is fine again
Its what the niche is
royal lantern
Tbf, I am not concerned about AoE; especially with so many classes can just walt...
you are concerned because having a player that plays a spec that can ONLY do ST dmg is not good
espacily when the spec is not even exceptional in ST dmg, you can play Sub rn, and do the same ST dmg and also be 1 of the best aoe classes in the game
thats the problem
proud hollow
Assa needs more buffs and looks like we are getting it...............NOT
royal lantern
yes, you can play around it, but why would you
keen spruce
I don't think they want assas to be #1 in ST because of the rogue toolkit and survivability
thorn fjord
But DK
keen spruce
but having them in the top 5 where #1 and #2 aren't like 6k ahead of everyone
dense herald
If there was a full AoE fight of like 8 targets we would still be bottom 1/3rd i...
Keep in mind there’s aren’t too many huge outliers in aoe this tier balance is pretty close, hence why so many classes are competitive in overall damage in m+
dense herald
I see zero quite frequently be top overalls as assa high keys
storm onyx
you are concerned because having a player that plays a spec that can ONLY do ST ...
Yea, thats an issue; Assa needs ST fix too; atm comperatively. It got overnerfed cause of all the reasons we are aware
gaunt moat
And now 10.1, where they held "big class tuning"
but only shadow priest gets actual rework 🙃
So I don't even expect much
dense herald
Speaking of which anyone know when ptr build will be out
keen spruce
I mean I do think people are getting a little baited by late tier kill times inflating some classes in logs
keen spruce
storm onyx
But DK?
DK is good with the opener CD+Pis, I am catching up to our DK at the end of fights, Their end dmg depends on fight lenght heavily
spice spire
copper hazel
:DevCheck:
subtle tundra
guess we are the losers of the dragonflight
keen spruce
hey remember when they said they'd move/replace/redesign exang in a future patch on december 2nd
gaunt moat
but rogues litteraly no one works on them
keen spruce
gaunt moat
hey remember when they said they'd move/replace/redesign exang in a future patch...
yeah, they meant next expansion kekw
oak sky
Remove rogue
copper hazel
no, the kick thing is all game
copper hazel
The kick thing is pvp only too
INTERRUPT DURATION CHANGES – The below changes for interrupts are gamewide, not PvP specific.
spare crow
so good
proven jasper
i just didnt care to read
uncut echo
i just didnt care to read
Why comment
proven jasper
if it isnt actual changes
copper hazel
edit in a /s and its good
gloomy knoll
Kick is an actual change
proven jasper
yes man
gloomy knoll
Especially for m+ albeit a bad one
proven jasper
good change 👍
oak sky
Especially for m+ albeit a bad one
Its so bad
gaunt moat
we can go gome
oak sky
Tbh
spare crow
Developers’ note: We feel that this change would have minimal impact in other content due to how creature spells are generally designed, as most kicks are spent on spells that have inherent cooldowns longer than the interrupt duration. We will also be keeping extra consideration of these changes for seasonal dungeons.
gloomy knoll
I mean that just makes our st lockdown worse
spare crow
k 
spare crow
go tauren rogue and spam recalibrator
proven jasper
just for the stun
proven jasper
take execute away from warriors and make it a rogue button
storm onyx
So its an overall nerf that was implemented just for pvp?
proven jasper
Sounds good to me
spare crow
So its an overall nerf that was implemented just for pvp?
no, it's a nerf, that's it.
gaunt moat
I wish I could see like a documentary short about "the day in a life of a wow class developer"
It's probably gonna be just him playing LoL or something.
storm onyx
sigh
proven jasper
I wish I could see like a documentary short about "the day in a life of a wow cl...
I guarantee this is true
LMAO
fleet pagoda
don't worry guys i'm sure there will be changes going on ptr before the patch drops to help out in M+/aoe situations 
gaunt moat
gaunt moat
Gonna be fun heading into next raid knowing full well we're the worst spec in the game.
proven jasper
👍
raven knoll
Assa rogue flooded with changes damn
proven jasper
Blizzard too busy buying league of legends skins playing aram
gaunt moat
It's just kinda funny seeing how active the druid developer is on working on his spec.
while rogue/DH literally not touched in months (except just nerfs)
craggy oak
how are they going to un fuck kingsbane?
balmy condor
by buffing the damage
gaunt moat
feral is even getting a cool animation for CP generation 😂
storm onyx
It's just kinda funny seeing how active the druid developer is on working on his...
Feels like some other devs are just nibbling on stuff they get killed by couse of rogues lately 
last cobalt
just curious , is anyone even playing that new talent ?
gusty mirage
ye pretty cool on council
oak sky
by buffing the damage
Can they just remove rogue instead
gusty mirage
Can they just remove rogue instead
they did?
oak sky
Bored of getting no changes
gusty mirage
did you not read the patch notes?
wind condor
They really just gonna leave sin the way it is for 10.1 huh
gloomy knoll
Rogue pvp changes - lol get deleted nerds
Rogue pve changes - help wanted minimum wage
storm onyx
I would rather they dont touch us more if they will make it worse, just for the sake of 'change'
The fact they just erased versitility in spec tree says something
echo heath
realz typing O_O
Psych!
gusty mirage
https://tenor.com/view/woody-woody-toy-story-sora-kh3-kh-gif-27223516
I was cooking
and derailed by infinitedude yet again
copper hazel
neverendingman got you agen
gaunt moat
Well it was a nice try @sudden brook
but it seems like it was chatGPT and not realz
echo heath
I was just thinking to myself, "this class really needs our kick to be nerfed"
And no I will not be taking any further requests
royal lantern
tbf, its a general nerf, not rogue only
still, thats such a shity thing to just bring up lol
royal lantern
who looks at the game right now and thinks "yeha, less spell lockout is what would make the m+ experience BETTER"
like, im trying to understand the thought process they had there
who did ever think about spell lockouts needing to be reduced? just why? how did THAT came up now? and how does it improve the game?
thorn fjord
Blizz devs casual gamers
royal lantern
those are the guys that profit the most from longer lockouts
gaunt moat
would have been nice to get a dev comment about the reasoning why was it needed in the first place.
but yeah, I don't think it's gonna affect m+ that much, so let's not make a big deal about it
more concerning is no change to an ability they promised to change.
gaunt moat
It's very demotivating for sure.
indigo mulch
I'm sure they will aura-buff sin.
😄
That's what they did last time they were so underwhelming.
royal lantern
yeha, thats my fear aswell
that the big fix will be 2%more dmg aura buff, and 15%more dmg on CT, and thats it
and not like, finally giving assa working aoe
instead of just adding bandaids all the time with talents that dont really fit
dont need big insane #1 aoe dmg
just a working aoe rotation
indigo mulch
I don't know if they ever intended to have sin doing aoe and even if they did the bleed playstyle will never really allow for good numbers in m+
royal lantern
and not this "spread some bleeds, spam CT cus it does some dmg lmao"
wanton vine
Assa needs it's talent tree reworked
royal lantern
I don't know if they ever intended to have sin doing aoe and even if they did th...
look at feral/shadowpriest and say that again
indigo mulch
You would need something like blackpoweder to spend our CP into AoE for sin to ever be decent in m+
royal lantern
with a straight face
gaunt moat
Assa needs it's talent tree reworked
well that ain't happening in 10.1 apparently
royal lantern
both are specs that multidot for resources/dmg gains, and they get a working aoe rotation because they have talents and abilitys that actually work with multi dotting
assa is just "eh, you are gcd locked now"
indigo mulch
You don't have anything to spend your CP on other than CT though
wanton vine
Things like Venom Rush, Master Assassin and Shrouded suffocation should be made baseline, same for kingsbane and hopefully they rework/remove exsang because it's a trash tier button to press
gaunt moat
But there a new class trinket dropping from raid.
which applies a bleed... TO YOU
so have fun trying to stealth.
royal lantern
spriest? litearlly a better blade flurry for all enemys with dots, so you dot up and then ST for huge aoe dmg
feral? litearlly IC as its 2nd talent in the tree with no cd, and for all its dots it gets a free ST finisher proc that then also cleaves, wich is aoe and funnel at the same time
assa? bleed stuff up, now spam CT lmao
wanton vine
well that ain't happening in 10.1 apparently
They did say changes are coming for pretty much every class, so rogues included
raw granite
Sin is in a good spot
royal lantern
You don't have anything to spend your CP on other than CT though
and thats the fking problem
royal lantern
Sin is in a good spot
what game are you playing lmao
gaunt moat
pretty sure he's making a joke
royal lantern
argurably 1 of the worst dps in the game rn
indigo mulch
Sin desperatly need an AoE rotation even if its just simple like blackpowder but something to cast while CT is running that actually does AoE damage.
strange python
When do we riot
raw granite
We do heaps of damage
fleet pagoda
i don't mind sin not being at the tippy top of ST if the M+ play wasn't super stressful/high maintenance to achieve (at most) comparable aoe damage
strange python
We do heaps of damage
Ah yes the "heaps of damage" metric
raw granite
Change a few talents around and boom. All hope is there guys
royal lantern
i don't mind sin not being at the tippy top of ST if the M+ play wasn't super st...
thats the problem
if it would only do st and actually be the ST king/in the top3 ST all the time, yeha sure, then its somewhat ok
but it isnt, and also doesnt have any real functional aoe at all without losing litearlly all ST dmg, and then the aoe is also really mediocre at best
like
eager sorrel
and not this "spread some bleeds, spam CT cus it does some dmg lmao"
Give CT rolling stacks. The fact our aoe spender eats a 60% nerf if the bleed is already up is dumb.
Let IC give us a stealth use of garrote for IW/chain pulls and so it isn't dead in ST
Choice node that makes deathmark aoe but only applies to rupture or garrote so we have an actual aoe CD.
royal lantern
either let it be the big ST king everyone always act it is
gaunt moat
okay maybe he's not making a joke.
royal lantern
or make it a normal dps spec that can do decent aoe without losing litearlly all ST dmg when nobody else is losign so much ST dmg for doing aoe
raw granite
Just ask for pi
royal lantern
you can pi deez nuts
balmy condor
Just ask for pi
you joined the server just to shitpost?
bit of a weird move isn't it
thorn fjord
We play wow we’re all weird
thorn fjord
Wtf is this
gaunt moat
rogue is gonna be funny
indigo mulch
It would be cool to have something like CT buffing another AoE move with. Like CT does its ticking but additionally it maybe makes your evi cleave to all targets affected by CT
something like that
fleet pagoda
I can already do that on quaking weeks tho
royal lantern
that stuff never goes well 🙂
eager sorrel
It would be cool to have something like CT buffing another AoE move with. Like C...
Letting it extend garrote/rupture would be nice but then it becomes a single target spender :)
nocturne current
and thats the fking problem
You will, when Realz steals my idea to convert Exsanguinate into a blood bomb
gaunt moat
that stuff never goes well 🙂
oh, so you're saying a mechanic that can make rogue one-shot a healer that's at half-health is bad? 🙂
strange python
Tbh I don't even care if we get fixes to our AoE, my issue is that Sin is doing less ST damage than specs that do strong cleave.
indigo mulch
Sin will never be able to aoe. 😄
gaunt moat
@royal lanterni can already see RL avoids bringing rogue to that boss cause they fuck up people
indigo mulch
They never have i highly doubt blizzard will change that anytime soon.
finite sail
Anyone here has a picture of the old kingsbane opener?
royal lantern
oh, so you're saying a mechanic that can make rogue one-shot a healer that's at ...
i mean
dk is gripping people every 6sec for 30sec
that probs fucks even harder
cus imagine cancle a divine hym/tranq
balmy condor
Anyone here has a picture of the old kingsbane opener?
the same as the current openers but with kingsbane after deathmark
royal lantern
or like, just healer casts in general
finite sail
Yeah I just want the picture itself to show it to a friend
strange python
I'm surprised there's not more anger about the notes so far
copper hazel
I'm surprised there's not more anger about the notes so far
scroll up in wow gen
oak sky
I'm surprised there's not more anger about the notes so far
Check off topic or wowgen
copper hazel
youll see it 🙂
indigo mulch
There is a riot in #wow-general. Maybe its slowed down but people were less happy.
thorn fjord
It has indeed slowed down
gaunt moat
dk is gripping people every 6sec for 30sec
and we grip ourselves + fuck up people 😂
indigo mulch
There is plenty of time for blizzard to change things for 10.1.
strange python
Oh shit guy finally did it and tagged realz
Glad someone did because the complete silence from devs was jarring
oak sky
He barely responded
thorn fjord
He was gonna send a second reply but then stopped lol
oak sky
Maybe
indigo mulch
Like i said, i'm sure there will be more changes. Its like day 1 of changes coming in.
I mean 10.1 is prob coming near the summer or spring
gaunt moat
i highly doubt we'll se significant changes to rogue.
But people went off on me for saying that on general.
indigo mulch
There is plenty of time for them to change things.
indigo mulch
i highly doubt we'll se significant changes to rogue.
But people went off on me ...
Nah, 100% see changes. If they are good changes thats another question 😄
fleet pagoda
thinks there's any chance of seeing vendetta again?
balmy condor
thinks there's any chance of seeing vendetta again?
no
deathmark is already just a vendetta reskin functionally
marble hemlock
that sounds like it'd do al ot of damage on mythic
then again, bringing a rogue to mythic prog 
thorn fjord
indigo mulch
Did they actually build exsang into death mark? o.o
strange python
He was gonna send a second reply but then stopped lol
I mean he clearly told Guy something in DMs and now the same people who were furious an hour ago are acting like it's unreasonable to be mad
fleet pagoda
Did they actually build exsang into death mark? o.o
nooo i was just trollin'
indigo mulch
If so i crai big tears.
indigo mulch
I mean he clearly told Guy something in DMs and now the same people who were fur...
What i don't understand is why people are mad in the first place o.o
strange python
Because sin got nerfed by an enormous amount that has been clearly shown to be heavy handed as the tier has gone on
Add on top of that, specs that outperform sin got buffs in 10.0.5 and 10.0.7
It's a bad look to not even have a bullet that says "rogue changes coming soon" and just leave it empty
indigo mulch
I mean.. Its obv that something is changing. :S Blizzard almost never leaves a spec in the gutter when a new tier rolls around.
indigo mulch
If something underpreformed last tier they almost always buffs it the next tier though.
slate scarab
I feel like they look at Sin as rogues have 2 good dps specs so they aren't very concerned that one is underperforming. They only worry when it over performed (hence the heavy handed nerfs initially)
strange python
Sub was hot garbage for almost three full years
Feral and WW and surv had extended periods of being bad
indigo mulch
But if you look back on how sin has been the last couple of years
Everytime we underpreformed we got buffed.
strange python
Errrrre
strange python
It took like 12 weeks for sin to be decent (not strong, decent) in 9.0. Warlocks and mages get buffed within two weeks when they're bad
And sin got obliterated week 1
It's a bit of an uneven application
indigo mulch
Did it get fixed though?
strange python
That's a complete bullshit framing.
You can't seriously see the difference in urgency to buff some classes and complacency with others and then be surprised that people are mad
royal lantern
I mean he clearly told Guy something in DMs and now the same people who were fur...
i mean, guy is also not 200% unreasonable
he is a shity outlaw 1trick that would delete sub and assa for 4% more outlaw dmg without a second thought, but he sometimes needs to let some steam out to be normal again
slate scarab
Sin has been bad (relative to other rogue specs) in M+ for a long time and I think that's a pretty big part of the game.
thorn fjord
i mean, guy is also not 200% unreasonable
he is a shity outlaw 1trick that woul...
That’s what hataros for
strange python
i mean, guy is also not 200% unreasonable
he is a shity outlaw 1trick that woul...
Hey at least I'm not the one saying it for once.
indigo mulch
I still think that there is no reason to be angry over 10.1 stuff. Its the first patch note. I'm sure shit will get sorted.
slate scarab
If it's not on the agenda now, it likely won't get significant attention at this point.
strange python
People are angry that it hasn't happened by now, let alone that it isn't on 10.1
This feels very "they'll fix it in alpha, no wait beta, no wait live, no wait next patch".
You can't just say "more changes will come don't worry" when we should've had changes two months ago
uncut echo
This feels very "they'll fix it in alpha, no wait beta, no wait live, no wait ne...
Most sane take I've ever heard
indigo mulch
Don't get me wrong. I don't disagree with sin being hot garbo. Cause it is. However i don't see the point in getting pitchforks and getting upset about it. Sure its annoying but honestly, i'm 100% confident that they will either buff our ST to be able to compete with the other top ST specs or they will buff our aoe.
strange python
I feel like you're not reading what I'm saying at all
Because idk how to make it clearer
neon kindle
strange python
"this thing that has been broken for 12 weeks didn't get fixed for 12 weeks while other things got fixed in those 12 weeks. Why are you mad? I'm sure they'll fix it in the next 11 weeks".
That's your argument if you don't envision that nothing exists before 10.1
indigo mulch
And how is getting mad about it helping.
strange python
Do you not realize that blizzard reacts to community feedback and perception?
See: shadow priests and mages and Moonkins for 80 patches in a row
indigo mulch
Alrighty, so we all just get mad and shit gets fixed is that how it works?
strange python
Enhance in SL and DF, monks every patch ever, Moonkins every patch ever, spriests every patch ever, warriors every patch ever
uncut echo
Hunters when bow sims came out
gaunt moat
that sounds like it'd do al ot of damage on mythic
i need someone on PTR to check the damage of that on mythic
i bet it's gonna be about 200k
Druid is just like "switch forms"
okay? just press form button every 6 seconds, no big deal.
I'm starting to think feral is a much safer bet for next tier
and btw, the DK doesn't even sound that bad, DK just need to position in a safe spot
gaunt moat
@marble hemlock So turns out the 166k is on mythic.
it's 125k on heroic
90k on normal
analog onyx
!fuu
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strange python
So I'm reading #assassination-faq and I'm overwhelmed. Is there a video version of assasin class with breakdown of rotation and etc?
uncut echo
So I'm reading <#856136418170896404> and I'm overwhelmed. Is there a video versi...
very simple, in practice
balmy condor
So I'm reading <#856136418170896404> and I'm overwhelmed. Is there a video versi...
TLDR -> maintain everything with a duration, cooldowns on cooldown, finish on 5cp, fok on 3+ targets
tacit otter
TLDR -> maintain everything with a duration, cooldowns on cooldown, finish on 5c...
just put this in font size 50 in the faq and no question no more
balmy condor
I'm entirely convinced that untalenting exsanguinate and pressing everything on cooldown is like an 85 in heroic
gaunt moat
@royal lanternI saw a guy who did 150k on council. and his build didn't even have AP and no exsang.
I dunno how I'm fucking up that bad on that fight 
brazen zodiac
parsing 99s exsanging dm 💃
royal lantern
<@346293680883236864>I saw a guy who did 150k on council. and his build didn't e...
idk man, spam.ct and only use envenom for snd
use ic on cd
spam ct, Spam ct, spam ct, keep some bleeds up
i dont even do envenom uptime for bleed buff and always have 150k Something lol
gusty mirage
I like turtles
runic hinge
I'm entirely convinced that untalenting exsanguinate and pressing everything on ...
It’s more like 95. Cause that’s what I do
gaunt moat
if you've got mythic ilvl gear you're already probably above 85% of people in heroic, so yeah
grim tangle
not if you suck like me
grim tangle
oak sky
@gusty mirage did you see psychic link applies to devouring plague now 
actual better blade flurry
theyre gonna be better than moonkin at spread cleave
gaunt moat
must be cool have a class that's being worked on 
sudden canyon
what was the blizz logic wtih the kb changes and adding AP?
balmy condor
slow incremental changes to fix the spec
gaunt moat
You think maybe they should have made the choice node AP/KB? (in a world that has to have that or what we got)
fleet pagoda
You think maybe they should have made the choice node AP/KB? (in a world that ha...
KB+DTB would probably be too wild
fleet pagoda
I just mean the interaction between them would be unreasonably strong, which would be an option if they didn't share that choice node
silk bane
^ they did not want to keep things at 3 point nodes but they had to, to make it so that u cant take DTB + KB. this way its no longer 3 point nodes atleast
balmy condor
yeh
AP/KB as a choice node does less than nothing
because it has no tangible change
you would still need the 3 pointers to gate thigns
which was the entire point of the 10.0.5 changes to begin with
gaunt moat
it keeps KB as an option. some players ran that prior
balmy condor
okay and?
keen spruce
<@346293680883236864>I saw a guy who did 150k on council. and his build didn't e...
drop improved poisons for lightweight shiv
drop tea for another point in lethality
gaunt moat
so,. i'm gonna go past your uneeded cynical approach to what i asked.
i'll take it as a yes.
brazen zodiac
o.o
balmy condor
I don't understand what the purpose is
y.ou
just sugges6ted
that the 10.0.5 change
should've been no change
gaunt moat
yes
gaunt moat
better no change than just making KB being strictly worse
gaunt moat
why do I even bother with you
yeah i have no idea why you're answering like a brat
balmy condor
tacit otter
i miss the times when the things talked about in here mattered 😦
craggy oak
or - take away 3 points nodes, as they are bad, and find the fix in teh sin tree to make KB playable, tahts the better fix - jsut taking their sweet time
reverting .05 changed would be bad
balmy condor
yeah i have no idea why you're answering like a brat
because your argument is just pure nonsense
why should I give you a decent response
balmy condor
because I can
you asked in a public forum
of public opinion
I am a member of the public
telling you your opinion is trash
gaunt moat
😂
balmy condor
why can't I answer
balmy condor
you need to think through the things you say before you say them
gaunt moat
not everything has to make someone else feel less than
balmy condor
instead of just blurting out nonsense and then getting upset that you get dragged
gaunt moat
again, just calling everything nonsense is just trying to pick fights
gaunt moat
so do yours
balmy condor
good, I'm glad
silk bane
why be madge together when we can cope together that we are gonna get tear open wounds in 10.1 and we're gonna be bis?
balmy condor
because having conversations that involve substance is difficult
polar shale
tear open crimson tempest pls daddy blizz
tacit otter
do you think the neltharion backstab will count to our overall?
gaunt moat
I hate trying to fight who's got a bigger dick over a trivial nerd subject
but it has been the cultivated culture here
it's really bad
balmy condor
no no notter, you're misconstruing what's happening here
it isn't a dick measuring contest
people just don't like your ideas
to my understanding this is hardly exclusive to me
sudden canyon
i have not voiced my opinions.
gaunt moat
even if you don't like my ideas, you could still be respectful
sudden canyon
but ur all trash
balmy condor
you run into issues with others regularly as well do you not?
gaunt moat
i also get along with many more
you know who i don't?
people that like do go off at others
balmy condor
a noble moral standing
gaunt moat
you mean mature
balmy condor
no, or else I would've said as much
gaunt moat
I'm not noble. I just dislike arguing. i don't wanna fight with you or anyone else here
balmy condor
then like I've suggested, I implore you to think a little more deeply about your positions
gaunt moat
I'm gonna post the navy seal copypasta if you keep at that 
balmy condor
can't say I didn't try I guess
gaunt moat
Man, I only said "what if they kept KB as an option. than not at all"
hardly nonsense. but even if you think it is, that's fine. but "consider you words or else i'll flame you"... you're exaggerating.
grim tangle
I miss kingsbane
uncut echo
Boy howdy
gaunt moat
I don't, but i'm sure there are players who would have kept taking it if it was an option
uncut echo
I don't, but i'm sure there are players who would have kept taking it if it was ...
Players wouldve taken what plays best?
gaunt moat
it was kinda on par
uncut echo
Yeah, and now it isn't
sudden brook
uncut echo
gaunt moat
Tickets for the cage match are on sale
glacial crypt
glacial crypt
Ahri vs the world is the pre show
gaunt moat
who's gonna be the announcer
glacial crypt
Need some real crisp vocals for that, hm
static glacier
I mean why do you say KB isn't an option. it is
not a good option with current tuning, but still an option
uncut echo
I will beat all of you up
earnest remnant
threatening me with a good time
gaunt moat
Who would win, Ahri or a 100 tiny rogues
glacial crypt
To be fair I think I'd be easy to beat up
spice spire
I will beat all of you up
1v1 me irl
uncut echo
static glacier
ever wanted to cosplay a stone statue? well here you go
earnest remnant
embracing the Shredder vibes
viscid spear
ever wanted to cosplay a stone statue? well here you go
ppl finna cosplay as an unpainted Warhammer 4k figure
fleet pagoda
reminds me of torghast 
tame tangle
ppl finna cosplay as an unpainted Warhammer 4k figure
lolol
woven ruin
Should you talent into CT on heroic Raz for adds or just go into full ST?
gaunt moat
taking CT will badly impact your ST and you'd still do pretty bad aoe. so stick with ST
woven ruin
Thats what ive been seeing using both ways, just wanted to get a 2nd opinion incase I was missing something.
somber fractal
Those 10.1 rogue changes are nuts. I’m so pumped
somber fractal
ever wanted to cosplay a stone statue? well here you go
Honestly all the sets look like they are from a Chinese mobile wow knockoff
static glacier
gaunt moat
@hallow token I saw that. those were fighting words. 😂
hallow token
<@843170108901949440> I saw that. those were fighting words. 😂
Those were barely even actual finished words, haha.
unreal bear
Honestly all the sets look like they are from a Chinese mobile wow knockoff
tier set sponsored by raid shadow legends frfr
sudden canyon
WE'RE GETTING PI ON DATHEA SITTING BOSS
the dream
were getting new combo point ui
hopefully its not scuffed
gusty mirage
WOW
POGGGG
they'll fuck it up again
and we'll need another WA to fix it
small indie company
sudden canyon
nah theyre prolly just yoinking the new feral one.
seems like the feral devs care
😭
id rather have no animation but more excited for having a fixed combo bar
but the blackpilled me believes it will just be broken ever after ptr
oak tangle
I just want some fuckin patch notes about the class
Or at the very least a feedback forum on wowhead to demand some
gaunt moat
You just had the dev here a few hours, i think he got the demands
safe matrix
realz is a homie, very engaged with the community
also holy crap what a blast from the past notter
oak tangle
I was asleep rip, was it in this channel or another
safe matrix
he's usually around pretty frequently in all channels
so he's very in touch with the community
gaunt moat
@safe matrix Hey 😄
You're the 2nd person today that recognizes me from back then 😄
heh i've checked our DMs, you were my secret informant 👀
safe matrix
i was in the shadowblade generation right after yours
with richard tisumi giggle and fuu
gaunt moat
oh you were promoted 😮
awesome
i just talked about giggle in the general chat.
that i hated him 😂
safe matrix
I'll pick this up in DMs to not clutter the channel :)
oak tangle
Just had a quick search for posts from the dev. Outside of saying in December that other classes are more jealous of assass than sub is. And then after that affirming sub is really good. Not much attention has been in this channel
Which honestly lines up with where the specs currently sit
gray crest
@thorn fjord guild isnt going to kill eranog anymore. if i dont get the ring out of the vault then im fucked
mind you there were 3 times i couldve gotten a ring but i wasnt allowed to roll on it
over this whole tier
uncut echo
Where tf was realz at
uncut echo
<@97773487619334144> guild isnt going to kill eranog anymore. if i dont get the ...
You have officially received Ahri's Blessing
You'll get it with socket Tuesday.
Congrats.
gray crest
Whispyr blessed my vault the previous week and I got a 424 dagger. Blessing do work
uncut echo
I blessed Whispyr's vault 2 weeks ago
got him the gravy
and mf hit with 3 necks and a cape
like a dickhead
unreal bear
you can skip eranog?
unreal bear
oh lmao
uncut echo
unreal bear
i was like "i mean i guess he's just standing there, maybe you can walk past him"
no brain only hit boss, i only realized there were dragons in raz's room
like two days ago
damn the lore is strong
imagine my surprise when i realized Dathea is part of Council too
"oh yeah i guess that makes sense"
thorn fjord
<@97773487619334144> guild isnt going to kill eranog anymore. if i dont get the ...
I’m sorry
oak tangle
lightning's touch is capricious
haughty nebula
do you think it is worth dropping a 415 melandrus ring for a 418 crafted ring just to get the better stats?
gusty mirage
I blessed Whispyr's vault 2 weeks ago
wtf where's my 424 dagger?
wind condor
230 pulls in… home stretch with that stupid bird and I can finally OTP sin until 10.1
ebon notch
games rigged
uncut echo
wtf where's my 424 dagger?
Right here 
gusty mirage
Right here <a:THIS1:907743030155563060> <a:THIS2:907743046488195162>
unlucky you can't actually do that anymore
fuckin nerd
uncut echo
🫶
storm onyx
do you think it is worth dropping a 415 melandrus ring for a 418 crafted ring ju...
“Just better stats” what for? If its not a dmg gain, then what will the higher stat provide you? “Better” in what context? Haste is good for Assa; especially if you have Box+Exsan. Crit or Haste stacking changes how Assa plays but you won’t feel anything by 1 slot… wild thinking aside; sim it but doubt it will be a dmg gain if thats what you are after.
gaunt moat
how do i stop my raid team from dying to lasers and fissures in p2 brood
We had a 2% wipe, that last 10 min. i stepped on fissure like a donkey at like minute 8.
i felt so bad
obviously wasn't just my fault, but it was a dumb death
glacial crypt
Brood was a frustrating prog
keen spruce
we just broke 20% a few times and it feels like it's an easy kill
glacial crypt
Final phase melee being clowns caused us a few wipes
keen spruce
if like 1/3rd of the raid wasn't dead at 8:45
we're not even dying to bad overlaps
with shrouds
it's just like donkey brain waddling into lasers
gaunt moat
20% at 8:45 sounds like it's a bit late.
maybe need more boss dps
we played around a lot with that
glacial crypt
Is it true you can have all melee soak the tank soak now and it's no problem? Haven't started farm yet and someone mentioned it
gaunt moat
moving more and more people to boss than adds
keen spruce
Is it true you can have all melee soak the tank soak now and it's no problem? Ha...
you can but it gets kind of crowded for wildfire and lasers
we're just using both tanks and 3 rogues
you can do it with less
gaunt moat
yeah but we already had it dead by 8:43
glacial crypt
Yeah we're not changing anything at all for farm, will still use the CDs we had set up so we can get everything done smoothly
But that's such a nice change, if melee can play around it that's just free
We must divide the braincell
keen spruce
yeah but we already had it dead by 8:43
sub 9 minutes in prog is extremely fast
gusty mirage
how do i stop my raid team from dying to lasers and fissures in p2 brood
tell them to press their buttons
gusty mirage
Is it true you can have all melee soak the tank soak now and it's no problem? Ha...
ya
it legit doesn't even hurt now
it's wild
gaunt moat
sub 9 minutes in prog is extremely fast
is it still considered prog after 100 wipes? 🥲
glacial crypt
Looking forward to when we go to do that, but people forget about the shroud wildfire overlap :^)
Unless it falls over before then (((:
gaunt moat
🫂
glacial crypt
Oml
keen spruce
I mean with 2 rogues and 1 tank
the rogues take less than 100k
with feint
or roughly 100k
keen spruce
it's 480k split unmitigated lol
gaunt moat
I can show you our log to see comp
but maybe it's worth thinking if your team can move some people to boss. maybe even not full time
we had issue that aoe team were killing adds too easy
keen spruce
I don't think we can drop any AoE
are you guys pulling the last add set onto the boss
?
gaunt moat
no
keen spruce
we aren't either
I think right now it's me, bm hunter, warlock, mage, outlaw, mistweaver, evoker
gaunt moat
From what i understood, adds team needed help 1st wave, then the next ones are easier
glacial crypt
are you guys pulling the last add set onto the boss
We did on prog, as soon as we could
gaunt moat
(or is it the other way around)
keen spruce
the first set seems pretty cozy for them now
most of them are saving CDs on pull which is kinda scuffed
gaunt moat
so maybe they can blow CDs on boss at start. maybe you can keep one still on boss until next waves
keen spruce
we could, but as long as lasers get popped instantly we don't end up with extra shit in the middle
we're hitting p2 around 60% boss hp i think
gusty mirage
keen spruce
or we were maybe it's better now
gaunt moat
We also have 2 BM hunters
gusty mirage
are yall doin this route
would you like the thesis statement our hunter gave me when I asked him what we do?
he wrote it up for a friend of mine
keen spruce
would you like the thesis statement our hunter gave me when I asked him what we ...
yes chef
keen spruce
is it just a napkin that says "get gud"
gusty mirage
no
keen spruce
oh yeah
gusty mirage
it's a legit play by play
keen spruce
sounds BM
keen spruce
I mean i'm pretty sure we just have bad players
I don't think a write up is gonna make their brains work better
gusty mirage
ty
it's our last time clearing
extendo until deado mode
mostly because we don't need any more grieftorches
uncut echo
Nice, that's a W
Got to 52% dathea tn
Sitting singletarget on boss is so fucking great tbh
keen spruce
I rioted until they let me
then they sent me to platform 2 in full ST cuz they were having trouble 
uncut echo
I just said no
gaunt moat
@uncut echo Need a rear-view mirror for that fight. those sneaky tornados are so annoying 
gusty mirage
then they sent me to platform 2 in full ST cuz they were having trouble <:Madge:...
why are you being terrorized
what is going on
keen spruce
i'm just quietly not saying anything before raz and i'm just showing up in assas
uncut echo
I just shadowstep over them :3
gusty mirage
yeah uh
keen spruce
look what they made me do
gusty mirage
rasz will make you question how people live without trying to remember how to breathe
keen spruce
gusty mirage
like actively trying to breathe
gusty mirage
yea
I mean
we saw p2 intermission a few times this week
that's a win ig
I want to go assassination man
our boss damage sucks
balmy condor
watching whispyr prog makes me not wanna do that boss
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gusty mirage
because assassination is garbage
balmy condor
I don’t Even Play sub this expac
gusty mirage
next question
brazen zodiac
:o
subtle tundra
Buddy we are st specialists omg
gusty mirage
you begin to question why you play assassination at all
subtle tundra
Calm down
gusty mirage
Buddy we are st specialists omg
are we tho?
subtle tundra
We are
subtle tundra
Just that sub is also a st specialist with integrated aoe
thorn fjord
we're final fantasy gamers now
oh lord
subtle tundra
lmk how that works out for us in 11 days
Are you threatening me
subtle tundra
Nvm
gusty mirage
fuck
prisma carbon
we're about to do less ST than frost dk, aff lock, and ele shaman
XD
balmy condor
Huh you want your cock sucked
Only if you bite down on it
balmy condor
I need to feel something varas
gusty mirage
at least sub and outlaw can cope that they got m+
balmy condor
Hurt me
drifting cloud
classic assa chat
oak sky
we're final fantasy gamers now
why would you go to final fantasy we're gonna get ptr changes 
oak sky
oak tangle
i would say how low do we need to go to get a mega buff. but then i realised we were in that place and our 'mega' buff umm was .... umm yeah
oak sky
we definitely should hold back tc next tier
and then watch blizzard still just not touch us
oak tangle
does anyone else dislike sbs for delayed cp, or do you like it for the potential bonus cp after a finisher
balmy condor
What
balmy condor
What are you throwing a bone spike on
That has more than a second travel time
Are you throwing it into the Indian Ocean?
Intercontinental bone spike
oak sky
gaunt moat
Only fight where the delay is annoying is sennerath, but not a big deal
oak tangle
yeah on senn
but i hate the delay it has
just like delay all he cp till it hits, or give all cp on cast, splitting it feel meh
gaunt moat
Last senn kill
I was late going up, ran into tornado, was gonna die.
evoker healer comes close to heal me. cool.
THEN HE FLIES TO GRAB ME THROUGH A TORNADO
be brought back a corpse.
literally assassinated by him 😂
i was laughing so hard
spare crow
Intercontinental bone spike
I just spit my coffee laughing
thank you whisp you made my morning
steel ridge
When guy began to ping realz, i knew shits gonna be on fire any moment
spare crow
steel ridge
That ping started a wake of grief
echo heath
memes are all we have these days
spare crow
Realz: Welcome to the Rogue class, where there are no forbidden questions.
Class: Nightstalker fix when?
Realz: Where there's one forbidden question.
Guy: Grand Melee/SnD rework when?
Realz: Where there's two forbidden questions.
Whispyr: Exsang rework and Kingsbane buff when?
Realz: Three forbidden questions.
Fuu: Lethality fix on shadowstrike crits when?
Realz: OK GET THE *** OUT OF MY CLASS
steel ridge
class is incomplete
meanwhile feral already got a new talent removing button bloat even further
spare crow
I surely do love to see the third druid rework since shadowlands s4
meanwhile rogues:
steel ridge
druid devs are very active
spare crow
Imagine random specs getting 10-15% buffs out of nowhere meanwhile rogues need 3+ patches to get a single 2point talent fixed cause "it could make rogues too broken"
subtle tundra
thank you whisp you made my morning
Omg it morning for you too
spare crow
Omg it morning for you too
6:48 am
subtle tundra
Loser
spare crow
:(
gaunt moat
Luckily I am leveling a feral 🐱
steel ridge
Imagine random specs getting 10-15% buffs out of nowhere meanwhile rogues need 3...
yeah well. Its not like rogue is swamp tier, but its wonky