#assassination

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pastel onyx
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original ideas

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inb4 we get

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anoather

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exang

oak sky
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when exsang is the only change we get

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and lethality stays bugged

gusty mirage
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except our bleed flurry fucking sucks

oak sky
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and ns stays bugged

gusty mirage
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we didn't get bleed flurry

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feral did

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arms warrior did

spice spire
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True

pastel onyx
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feral bleed flurry

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is pog

spice spire
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Any clappers in chat

gusty mirage
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ours is a 45s cd

oak sky
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and the left side of the sub tree stays dog

gusty mirage
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theirs just happens

oak sky
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and the dance part of class tree stays dog

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its gonna be real cool

spice spire
gusty mirage
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okay boys and girls

autumn frost
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Would it hurt if they just gave us a 25 second version?

spice spire
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Mfs don’t even slam anymore

gusty mirage
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your homework for tomorrow

pastel onyx
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wont it be better if IC becomes passive spread, with lower targets and smart target application

gusty mirage
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I want you to analyze the thesis paper blizzard wrote for the new gear system

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and I want to hear your favorite thing about it

oak sky
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homework for tomorrow is complain about the shadow priest rework thats going on ptr

spice spire
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N OMEGALUL

oak sky
spice spire
pastel onyx
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brb reading

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why there is like

oak sky
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tl;dr upgrade everything caps at minimum mythic ilvl

pastel onyx
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walls of text

oak sky
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literally the walls of text say

gusty mirage
oak sky
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play the game get resource

spice spire
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Bless

oak sky
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then

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use resource to upgrade world gear m+ and raid gear

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to minimum mythic ilvl

gusty mirage
# pastel onyx walls of text

tldr: it's valor but there's 4 tiers of it for no reason, and the upgrade paths are significantly more confusing also for no reason

oak sky
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they just like using words so nobody understands their system

gusty mirage
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did you read their faq? @oak sky

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their reasoning?

oak sky
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skimmed most of it

gusty mirage
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"When you raid you're not getting any progress toward upgrading dungeon gear!"

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WOW

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INSANE

pastel onyx
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I wanted to make a point, it makes it more intuitive, bcuz its the same currency to upgrade, but then I saw a table

oak sky
gusty mirage
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yes

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but who actually ever felt that way?

autumn frost
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aoe shiv should've just combined with crimson tempest

oak sky
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i mean i dont mind getting rewarded for all content i do

gusty mirage
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"Damn I'm doing raid rn for gear, it's a shame I'm not getting upgrade currency for my dungeon gear!"

oak sky
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its for raid gear too tho

autumn frost
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I mean

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ic

oak sky
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sorta

gusty mirage
oak sky
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for heroic raid gear i guess

gusty mirage
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that's the thing

oak sky
gusty mirage
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we don't know

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because this wall of text

oak sky
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we do tho

gusty mirage
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has no clarity

oak sky
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it caps at the minimum mythic ilvl

gusty mirage
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sure

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how do you get your upgrade currency?

pastel onyx
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u

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eeh

oak sky
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playing the game

pastel onyx
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get it

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it falls from the sky

gusty mirage
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whoever wrote this

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was clearly a creative writing major in college

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and it shows

oak sky
pastel onyx
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is it like

oak sky
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ill fight you

pastel onyx
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2-3 m+ for 1 upgrade

gusty mirage
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bro I'm a lawyer and I couldn't produce the amount of fluff this piece of shit blogpost has

hallow token
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the could have decided to make raid gear upgradable but mysteriously decided not to

pastel onyx
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its to some point

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u can upgrade heroic to first boss mythic level

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right

oak sky
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yes

gusty mirage
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I'm not reading this

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Chimes needs a cliff notes version

oak sky
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i think they said we can get free upgrades

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to get stuff to the same ilvl

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which is sick

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if its the same slot

pastel onyx
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@gusty mirage is there any info on sp rework in 10.1 or just rumours

gusty mirage
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there's a cap of how many crests you get per week

oak sky
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so like if you need an outlaw weapon you can just juice

oak sky
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info tomorrow

gusty mirage
oak sky
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presumably some info with ptr

pastel onyx
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noice

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ty

runic hinge
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Idk why they wouldn’t just do a system where you can upgrade anything with valor still with io and then also get the upgrade shards like s4 of SL so if you raid you can upgrade after so many boss kills too. But just to any piece of gear at the same time

oak sky
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they want gear to be a carrot they want us to work for our mythic pieces

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or something

runic hinge
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I enjoyed wearing lfr gloves until catalyst came out. That really felt like work

oak sky
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what do you mean

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catalyst felt like work?

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because its literally just

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do 4 keys or a couple raid bosses or the world boss

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i dont think thats a very high bar

runic hinge
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No I mean waiting 6 weeks felt like work in a sarcastic way

oak sky
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oh sure

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catalyst definitely should be sooner than week 6

runic hinge
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Just getting unlucky with drops and having to wear shitty gloves forever when they could learn from things they’ve already done is annoying af.

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Now they wanna come up with a new system that incorporates all content into gaining currency but makes upgrading more convoluted

royal lantern
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its not more convoluted

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its the opposite

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Alts get valor discounts, raid gear can get valor, the seperate currencies prevent you from spamming +2

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thats the tl:dr

stray adder
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new to sin, I've red the FAQ but I can't find where it talks about the 4 poisons that I should be using in M+

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with DTB

pastel onyx
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deadly and amplifying poisons

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crippling and the last one is depends on the talent choice

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either numbing or atrophic

stray adder
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tyvm!

sturdy zodiac
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hi is ghostblade permanently gone ? hidden artifact apperance for assa or since magetower is back we can get it

honest pelican
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You can no longer get it

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Only if you did the mage tower back in legion can you unlock the rest of its appearances assuming you have the base mage tower unlocked

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New tower is only for xmog armor and towards mount

dense herald
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!fuu

prisma monolithBOT
sturdy zodiac
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I see, thanks !

shrewd night
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HEHEHEHE

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I love forum comments

subtle tundra
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uh-huh like the 4th sp rework in 2 years

shrewd night
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Dw, they will get it right this time

royal lantern
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alpha rework

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beta rework

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rework for X.1

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"sorry, cant fix it, wait for next expac"

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repeat

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the shadow priest circle prayge

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and never fix any of the problems

shrewd night
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They will get to assa at some point Copege

subtle tundra
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11.0 surely

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i cant wait for us to lose 4pc

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which is 10% aoe

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and then the next tier set be useless in aoe

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and be even worse in aoe than rn

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which wouldnt surprise me

marsh grail
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I really wana see new tier set bonuses

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Wonder if they are gona be more impactful than they are now

raven knoll
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Ye cant wait to complain

drifting cosmos
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Prob op in ptr and nerf it x10 before livestarege

raven knoll
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Ye because it was 12% boost and not 10% boost while warlocks set will be 30% DPS boost on AOE and 15% on single target and that will go live.

spice surge
steel geyser
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Hey guys,
Is empowered garrote as smart as finality rupture?

I mean, if I vanish garrote at max pandemic over a regular garrote, does the whole new garrote is empowered? Or do I need to cast garrote twice during empowered window to make sure it is?

balmy condor
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Ye, the whole garrote is empowered

steel geyser
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Sweet, thx

pastel onyx
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my garrote is stupid

royal lantern
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holy shit, thats still the most braindead thing blizzard said in a long time about game balance

oak tangle
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i can't wait until the tier piece is aoe only and the raid is mostly ST and bm still is tuned higher than us

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bm tier piece "2 piece bonus - deal 5% more damage than the next best single target class"
"4 piece bonus - if the second best class is assassination, steal power from their nerfs to buff yourself"

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"5 piece bonus - have another bow"

feral mason
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Tier sets will probably be datamined or just visible ingame today so we shall see

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Honestly the bow I wouldn’t wish upon any class

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Mandatory item to be the best at one thing and mid at aoe is not ideal

oak tangle
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i mean yeah i am kinda glad there is zero loot from raz i care about

royal lantern
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never got fixed btw

lethal yoke
oak tangle
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that opener has me crying

raven knoll
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is it bad? lgtm

oak tangle
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not bad, but they cancelled their puzzle cast, and lost like 8 seconds on their rupture before exsang

raven knoll
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Oh so thats what it means I didnt know why the puzzle box was red

pseudo hamlet
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How good is HoV trinket for M+? Got 421ilvl version of it in the GV. Have 415 box and 408 Icon already though.

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It's worse than both in Patchwerk according to sims.

normal mist
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Then sim dungeonslice

velvet ridge
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Oh boy they promised 10.1 exsanguinate rework, can't wait!

storm onyx
pastel onyx
pseudo hamlet
normal mist
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It's your call then :3

royal lantern
pseudo hamlet
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HoV is cool because it doesn't require casting, and has 2min CD so would be always paired with DM... but the bonus(last) gem seems better overall 😄

uncut echo
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Horn is kind of aggressively mid

normal mist
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I kept reading HoV and in my mind i was like "he got Halls of Valor trinket" the crit one which is fairly good, i never imagined you were talking about the horn xD I'm really going blind

uncut echo
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Honk of Valor

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Crit one is also mid, it's a worse icon

burnt star
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Fixed

normal mist
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Thanks for fixing

fleet pagoda
royal lantern
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well, blizz offical words where "we know the ability is problematic and want to do something in the future"

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thats it

strange python
uncut echo
fleet pagoda
uncut echo
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Speculating on nerfs or buffs is wasteful thinking imo

strange python
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If you wanna have a laugh on Blizz delivering on announced reworks, search “curb your shaman” on YouTube

gusty mirage
brazen zodiac
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the incarnates look like bad bad gamers

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next patch looks fun 💃

uncut echo
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Inclined to agree

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Earth guy could choke me fr

viscid spear
brazen zodiac
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do they

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i only played shadowlands and this so idk previous models/etc

uncut echo
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Everything's a reskinned model

brazen zodiac
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but she kinda does look like the winterqueen super hard

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the ice lady

uncut echo
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She is the winter queen

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ANGYDARGON

gusty mirage
uncut echo
viscid spear
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Fyraxx looks like the typical scumbag member of a group that just breathes stupid and dies like a moron kekman

oak tangle
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earth guy reminds me of voldemort

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no nose

uncut echo
nocturne current
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The primal drakes did nothing wrong, that's the only thing that pisses me in the lore, lol.

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I would have probably did the same shit as them dracthyr_kek

burnt star
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Seing how it took 1 whole expac for us to get a raid utility after they talked about it early shadowland. Exsang is gonna be fix/changed in 11.0.0

uncut echo
viscid spear
royal lantern
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what game are you guys playing

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where they are justified

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lmao

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they litearlly want to commit genocide on everyone you brainlets OMEGAKEKW

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last time i checked, good guys dont commit mass murder on a global scale kekman

uncut echo
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Iridikron is a sick name

uncut echo
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Idk

royal lantern
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we dont even know the full story

uncut echo
royal lantern
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just saying

uncut echo
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M U R D E R

royal lantern
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you guys buy into the words of 4people that want to create a world where yourself and everyone else is dead because you have titan stuff inside you

thorn fjord
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What did I just stumble upon

royal lantern
royal lantern
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my guild dead

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so i can do it

thorn fjord
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Guild dead? What happened

royal lantern
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last 3 raids didnt happen

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people dont show up for no reason

thorn fjord
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Fuck weren’t you guys almost done with Dathea

royal lantern
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🙂

gray crest
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We can make a guild of guilds rogues at this rate

royal lantern
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you get a bunch of mediocre spec 1 tricks that all act smug

gray crest
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Surely we can just evasion tank a boss

thorn fjord
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Surely

royal lantern
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"how did you die?"

"how did the doctor drop you from the table at birth? cant explain outlaw players otherwhise"

uncut echo
marble hemlock
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where education standards are lower and theres lead in the water

royal lantern
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and the lead that is no in the water?

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allright i dont say that, cus im not sure if its against the ToS kekw

nocturne current
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this is how I see dragonflight lore

spice spire
royal lantern
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"the titans did some stuff that probs was not purely good, we should investigate it"

"oh, so you are telling me the people that want to kill everyone that has titan influence(wich includes all player races btw) are the good guys, got it"

viscid spear
velvet ridge
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Honestly, the more I used exsang, the less I hated it, but golly I can't wait til its changed

royal lantern
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thats you rn @nocturne current dracthyr_kek

viscid spear
gray crest
spice spire
royal lantern
thorn fjord
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Yep

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In exsang we trust I guess

nocturne current
thorn fjord
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If aliens ever come down to earth

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Im fucking me an alien

gray crest
royal lantern
nocturne current
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Its our best line of interplanetary line of defense.. influencers lul

viscid spear
thorn fjord
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Lets hope it happens

royal lantern
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looking at beef and wellington

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its a win

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gay frogs ftw

nocturne current
thorn fjord
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I'm not opposed to toys 👀

nocturne current
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You would really see what are really the titans glowing orbs dracthyr_kek

royal lantern
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cum

dark token
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Ptr wishlist:

  • sin gets exsanguinate removed, AP moves to exang spot, and a new keystone added instead (vein ripper??)
  • sub will get smart targeting rupture so ruptures prioritise targets without rupture on them
  • nightstalker bugfixed to have an effect instead of being a 2 point talent that does liiterally nothing
  • sub bugfixed so secret technique doesn't miss if you are at max melee range
  • sub bugfixed so vanish won't tp you into the boss at max melee rsnge
  • outlaw removed
  • class tree reworked so my sprint isnt 2 min cd
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Just any changes pls

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Rogue ignored for 192048 hotfix patches

uncut echo
gray crest
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Don't forget lethality fix for sub

uncut echo
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Also fix class tree so we can take 1 min sprint and long arms at the same time?

vestal wren
dark token
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So I put points for all 3

dark token
vestal wren
craggy oak
steel ridge
viscid spear
formal ore
uncut echo
pallid spear
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Well cauterize placement for fire is really let's say.. bad

uncut echo
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Cauterize or 2% mastery

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Seethe tbh

pallid spear
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RAAAAAGE

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Cheat death placed much better!

uncut echo
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You got greater invis and cauterize

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And alter time

pallid spear
uncut echo
pallid spear
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I do sin basically every single dungeon for the last couple of weeks and it works more than fine for me

gaunt moat
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sub rogues with good ST be like:
Yeah, aoe is fine on sin kek

uncut echo
pallid spear
pallid spear
uncut echo
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Yeah taking a 100% nerf on CD of their iconic mobility is great design

uncut echo
pallid spear
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Then u should ask for burst of speed instead 🤭

uncut echo
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I have

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Locks get burning rush

subtle tundra
uncut echo
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No fucking reason we shouldn't get it

subtle tundra
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assa can prob be played until 25-26

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no problem

pallid spear
pallid spear
uncut echo
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Our main cooldown hits one target

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That's fundamentally flawed aoe design

subtle tundra
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Not really

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Wtf

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Why would it matter

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Sub cd barely matters in aoe

uncut echo
# subtle tundra Not really

Outlaw fury arms feral shadow unholy frost dk affliction demo destruction marksman bm fire mage frost arcane enhancement elemental havoc dh windwalker balance druid and dev evoker's cds ALL effect their AOE potential

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Sub and sin do not

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But sub's aoe is secret technique and not cd reliant

grim tangle
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yeah deathmark sucks

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bring back vendetta

uncut echo
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No, vendetta sucks

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Deathmark rocks

oak sky
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Theyre the same

pallid spear
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I mean what's the solution? AOE deathmark choice node with IC? Sounds whonky and if not a choice node then both at the same time may be a little bit too strong - redesign the major cool down months after it has been redesigned? I don't know I actually enjoy sin right now besides arterial precision

oak sky
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Beans on toast

subtle tundra
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And shadowblades was even worse

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3 min cd

uncut echo
subtle tundra
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Yea and what I want to say is that it doesn't matter for meta

viscid spear
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!lariat

prisma monolithBOT
uncut echo
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But I can bitch about current design limiting the spec's ability to perform where I'd like to do keys at

subtle tundra
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If you can't do 23s as assa

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Skill issue ig

pallid spear
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🔥

uncut echo
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I don't play sin in keys

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Because it plays like dog

subtle tundra
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well i have played it

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and i can tell you i like it

pallid spear
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Get a shadow and get pi it's amazing

subtle tundra
uncut echo
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I'm really glaf you enjoy jt

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That makes me happy

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I do not

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And fun is subjective

pastel onyx
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Im happy for Varas too

thorn fjord
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Keys arent even fun

pastel onyx
subtle tundra
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if you dont like it rn you probably wont like it at any point

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its the least assa-like it has been

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for years

pallid spear
subtle tundra
strange python
thorn fjord
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Sin in keys has always felt like hot dog water to me

strange python
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Why play Diablo content instead of just playing Diablo

spice spire
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Ur lit

thorn fjord
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But keys are a huge cap

gusty mirage
spice spire
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Sin keys

gusty mirage
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fuck mage

strange python
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Fuck sin

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😦

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No buffs. Sad.

subtle tundra
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tbf

formal ore
subtle tundra
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i think assa isnt getting any love cause sub and outlaw are so good

pallid spear
strange python
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I mean I agree. But that doesn't explain mages or hunters

subtle tundra
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surely we get 10.1 ptr soon

thorn fjord
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Yo for the kick macro on Raz can i add multiple abilities to the axe toss portion so that it'll use whatever is not on cd

gusty mirage
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the axe toss portion?

strange python
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Sure but what else would you use?

thorn fjord
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Like where you put the ability name in the macro

strange python
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Not worth using combo points

thorn fjord
gusty mirage
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why would you need to target anything with war stomp?

thorn fjord
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this is true

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lmao

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So you never use kidney?

gusty mirage
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wanna look the spark in the eyes before you aoe stun around you?

strange python
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War stomp whenever but you'll want it for third spark p2 before winds. Those are sketch

gusty mirage
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you should use kidney if it prevents a wipe

odd heath
strange python
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If you're using CPs to stop a spark then a shaman or hunter or boomie or warlock or mage did something wrong.

thorn fjord
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If i put kick and blind in that macro will it cycle through the cd's then?

gusty mirage
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so yeah spending CP to prevent a wipe

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is immensely important

strange python
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I agree better to kidney than wipe

gusty mirage
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losing a bit of damage to prevent a wipe seems like a better use of combo points than a few hundred dps

strange python
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But prog will be more consistent if the AoE stop classes find their rhythm

gray crest
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I legit stand in the middle and all the sparks die immediately. I have to look around for a spark to kick

odd heath
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I never had to use kidney on sparks during prog or farm kills tbh. But in some groups it might save a try

strange python
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Not so much that the damage is lost, more so relying on individual stops over AoE is tough when they bounce around

thorn fjord
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yeah but with the macro its just send and forget no? Just does all the work for you

strange python
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Like yeah, kidney a spark if you're gonna wipe. But then also figure out after the pull with those classes why you had to kidney

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Yeah it does everything.

thorn fjord
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Either way still doesnt answer my original question... If i add multiple spells to the macro will it pick the next spell if one is on CD?

gray crest
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Don't forget blind too

strange python
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No idea. Would assume so

odd heath
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I think it does

thorn fjord
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Kick / Blind / Kidney is what i was gonna set it up as

gray crest
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If you add the spells under kick it still do them off the thing above it is on cd

odd heath
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You can do it and test on a dummy

gusty mirage
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just make separate binds

strange python
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Problem with adding kidney and blind is that you probably wanna spam the macro when sparks come out and it'll always kidney or blind and take a global and CPs

gusty mirage
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ya

strange python
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Better to save kidney and blind for last resort

thorn fjord
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Hmm

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That does make sense

gusty mirage
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do you not have kidney/blind bound right now? @thorn fjord

thorn fjord
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i do

gusty mirage
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just copy the macro, slap in kidney and blind

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and replace it on your bars

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with your current binds

thorn fjord
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that would work too

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Good idea

gusty mirage
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you won't need the macro for kidney

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because that's ideally for an oh shit situation

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so you can just manually kidney

thorn fjord
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I'll try just setting it for kick and blind

strange python
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Fight sucks so much

thorn fjord
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Makes complete sense... Ty guys 🙂

strange python
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Might be my least favorite end boss in a few xpacs

odd heath
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Take care if you are set to interrupt adds during intermission 1

gusty mirage
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enjoy getting storm bolted to death in intermission

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because your ranged won't interrupt shit

thorn fjord
strange python
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Are you red side or blue

gusty mirage
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sire was a bajillion times better than rasz

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if he's playing sin he better be blue side

odd heath
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Sire was awesome

strange python
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Ideally you bring a DK or two and boomie to blue and storm bolts aren't an issue

thorn fjord
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We still havent pulled yet so not sure where theyre putting me

odd heath
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Razs is just a sleepy fight until intermission 2

thorn fjord
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But i'll be playing sub @gusty mirage

gusty mirage
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oh

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then be wherever you want

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also sacrifice the dps for double step

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makes winds in p2 a lot less annoying

thorn fjord
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Yeah was gonna do that

strange python
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^

gusty mirage
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otherwise you have to run out to vanish strike

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because you'll vanish strike and get hit by the circle

strange python
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You could theoretically step>gate>step but yeah not worth like 200 dps

gusty mirage
thorn fjord
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I can always boon kappa

gusty mirage
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also prepare to slam your head against the desk

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because dumb shit

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it's not about avoiding the pushback in p2

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it's about avoiding the circle to avoid the damage

thorn fjord
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Oh right

gusty mirage
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boon doesn't help with that

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😛

strange python
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Fight sucks as rogue because it takes you like, 3 pulls to get comfortable with it because it's p easy as rogue, but your raid will wipe to mechanics you mostly ignore for a week or two

gusty mirage
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we've found new ways to wipe

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isn't that right @gray crest

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our tank booning in p1 intermission

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for reasons

thorn fjord
strange python
#

At least our pull count was low enough to not lose my mind

thorn fjord
#

Took us 540 pulls to kill Sylv

strange python
#

Nexus sx?

odd heath
gusty mirage
odd heath
#

Sylv was giga easy

thorn fjord
#

We ran through 4 tanks

gray crest
#

Or booning during P2 shield when you get inversion

thorn fjord
#

Roster issues

odd heath
#

Iirc we took 107 pulls on sylv here

strange python
#

Raz took us like...185? It's not too bad

thorn fjord
#

So im gonna go ahead and say we'

gray crest
#

"I boon now, good luck everybody else"

thorn fjord
#

we'll be around double that @strange python lolol

gusty mirage
# thorn fjord Roster issues

isn't it fun when people who raid in like the top 150 seem flabbergasted when a boss took you an obscene number of pulls?

#

500?! UNBELIEVABLE

strange python
#

I'd be shocked if raz doesn't get some massive nerf in the next few weeks

gusty mirage
gray crest
#

It will

gusty mirage
#

it for sure will

#

hopefully before march 23

strange python
#

With next patch coming soon I'd expect nerfs to intermissions 1 and 2

gusty mirage
#

idk the intermissions seem pretty easy

thorn fjord
#

It becomes free once you hit last phase with everyone up no?

gusty mirage
#

if they nerf anything I can see them nerfing stormsurge damage in p2

gray crest
#

I expect massive shield nerfs, intermission 1 nerfs, blow back nerfs, and a health nerfs at a minimum

gusty mirage
#

but yeah

strange python
gusty mirage
#

p3 is pretty straight forward

#

if you're fucking up with the giant circles in p2

#

p3 is going to be miserable

strange python
#

P3 is the easiest phase but the damage is high and I imagine many guilds will have issues with ranged properly soaking tornadoes so melee doesn't have 50 stacks

#

If your ranged were greedy bastards on halondrus, p3 will suck

thorn fjord
#

What i see happening is i do most of prog as sub

gusty mirage
#

ranged sacrificing anything for melee

thorn fjord
#

Then we get towards the end

#

and they'll have me swap sin

grim tangle
#

p3 is easy, but then you say that so people think it's so easy they don't have to learn it so they wipe to stupid shit

gusty mirage
#

best moment of rasz prog

thorn fjord
#

happened on dathea totem and brood lol

gusty mirage
#

I got +, so I stood still waiting for all the minuses to move in

uncut echo
#

Ranged vs melee is worse than any gang grudge

gusty mirage
#

and then our hpriest

#

literally just ran right into me

#

for no reason

#

LMAO

grim tangle
#

I watched occasional excellence get the boss to .5% with everybody alive and then just not soak a tornado

strange python
#

Ranged players refuse to move when they run out from winds or bombs

gusty mirage
#

ranged players are actual terrorists

thorn fjord
#

Its the same shit with thundering lolol

strange python
#

So all tornadoes anywhere but behind the boss becomes melee problem

gusty mirage
#

and no one can change my mind

strange python
#

So yeah. If your ranged refused to soak in halondrus, they'll refuse to soak here, and p3 won't be free

thorn fjord
#

Ah ok

strange python
#

If they're good then p3 is free

thorn fjord
#

Soaks on crab werent our issue

#

It was p3 dot transfer that kept fucking us

strange python
#

Then p3 shouldn't be too bad. It's very scripted

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Unless someone takes the gateway with a bomb and murders the raid

thorn fjord
#

bomb trasnfer&

strange python
#

Did anvil get it yet?

ebon notch
#

theyre different

#

p3 is so intense

gusty mirage
#

that I don't share your opinion

ebon notch
#

i understand

gusty mirage
#

yet you keep insisting on changing my mind

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idk why

#

like I'm glad you think its a sick fight

#

I'm so happy for you

gray crest
ebon notch
#

fuckin SICK m8

gusty mirage
#

but I'd rather do jailer

#

without a doubt

#

to me, jailer was a much better boss

thorn fjord
#

Jailer was a vibe actually

gusty mirage
#

the only saving grace rasz has, is that sylv existed

#

and that fight was utter dogshit

thorn fjord
#

We got him to 4% and CE was gone the next day tho 😦

#

More roster issues

strange python
#

Jailer was the best end boss since Lei Shen

#

No bullshit add phases or hard afk intermissions.

gusty mirage
#

I thought jailer was very well done

strange python
#

I think separate add phases and intermissions are garbage.

gray crest
#

Argus was my favorite that I've done, jailer second

oak sky
#

We skipped half the mechanics on jailer 💀

ebon notch
#

i felt jailer was just oversaturated with mechanics

gusty mirage
#

ya pre-gutting it was actually super fun

oak sky
#

It was a pretty ok boss though

ebon notch
#

like it was an epic fight also

gusty mirage
#

post-nerf it felt bad

strange python
#

Standing around waiting for the transition to intermission to just hit adds and wait for breaths makes raz incredibly boring.

oak sky
#

Literally p4 we didnt even do torment

#

So cringe

gusty mirage
#

people hype up rasz for the same reasons they hated sylv

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the only dif, is instead of running up a chain

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you're jerking off on a side platform

strange python
#

Don't forget you have a second intermission too

gusty mirage
#

running in circles dodging breath while trying to kill 3 elementals

#

WOW

#

SO SICK

strange python
#

And like 30 seconds of cumulative AFKing for transitions and flying

gusty mirage
#

but people keep trying to say rasz is the best boss in the raid

oak sky
gusty mirage
#

I think pre-nerf kurog was insanely good

oak sky
#

Like think about torghast, jailers gauntlet vs twisting corridors

gusty mirage
oak sky
#

Just not having to run around

gusty mirage
#

instead of running up a chain

#

you're afk baiting the breath

oak sky
#

For 20 minutes

gusty mirage
#

to move onto the next add

thorn fjord
#

I think brood is my favorite fight this raid so far

oak sky
gusty mirage
#

sire was very fucking well done

oak sky
#

Because you cant be working on the shield when breath comes out because the add won't move right

gusty mirage
#

jailer was good too tbh

#

add moves during cast

strange python
#

Honestly I think this tier was really mediocre. Most of the bosses that were fun on heroic were ruined by their mythic changes (dathea, sennarth)

gusty mirage
#

but after the shield nerfs

#

the big issue for red side

#

is killing the casters

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asap

#

cause they just chunk you for 30% of your health

strange python
#

Terros was the most fun patchwork since sludge

gusty mirage
#

and they rapid fire them

oak sky
gusty mirage
#

but they deserve to never design a fight ever again

#

I would rather do lords of dread

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than dathea

#

and that's saying a lot

thorn fjord
#

You’re still playing sub on raz? @gusty mirage

oak sky
gusty mirage
gray crest
#

Against his will yes

gusty mirage
#

but we're 2-3% short on boss damage going into p2 intermission

#

so

#

the cracks are starting to show

#

that our boss damage is fucking trash

strange python
#

Sub is just super valuable on raz tbh. I'll probably go sin for one of our later clears just for log unity but sub is op

gray crest
#

If only we had another arms warrior

gusty mirage
gray crest
strange python
#

Nerf arms buff rogue

#

Thanks

gusty mirage
#

low key

#

gonna swap to assassination for one pull

#

and see if anyone notices

#

drop pbox for torch

gray crest
strange python
#

Wait

thorn fjord
#

Haha can you vod that pull

strange python
#

Why drop box for torch

#

And not use both

odd heath
#

I went sin for all prog, but we had enough AOE for intermissions without the need of me going sub xD

gusty mirage
#

because I'm not using double on-use

strange python
#

Hmmmmmmmmm

gusty mirage
#
  • icon w/ full buffs kinda clean
strange python
#

Drop exsang?

gusty mirage
#

ya

#

you'd drop exsang on rasz

strange python
#

Hmmm

thorn fjord
#

To take what?

#

Ap?

oak sky
#

Imp poison 2nd point

gusty mirage
#

^

#

exsang doesn't do dick for you on p2 shields

thorn fjord
#

Ah I’ll store that in the memory banks

gusty mirage
#

because you'll get ONE exsang

#

since the change

#

and no more kingsbane

#

so you're actually useless in p2

odd heath
#

Disagree

gusty mirage
#

enjoy those envenoms on shields

#

you get DM on one shield

#

what do you provide to the other shields?

#

shiv?

#

ER?

#

the kingsbane change

#

actually fucking ruined assassination's synergy on rasz

thorn fjord
#

They knew we’d all be sub bots

gusty mirage
#

for a talent no one wanted or asked for

odd heath
#

You can DM on 2 shields if needed

thorn fjord
#

Wdym AP helped with council

gusty mirage
#

sure

#

vs having kingsbane for every shield

odd heath
#

I don't do it because third shield is w/e

spare bobcat
#

Ass is just trash after the exsang nerf TBH. Called it months ago. GG

odd heath
#

Well, it's changed, now u gotta play with what you have

gusty mirage
#

yeah

#

push N

#

click subtlety

#

click activate

strange python
#

Complain in sin channel about balance

thorn fjord
#

Then cry

odd heath
#

Just outdmg the sub on your group as sin xD

uncut echo
gusty mirage
#

outside of p3

#

where are you out damaging sub on rasz

odd heath
#

P1 and 2

#

Not on intermisisons

gusty mirage
#

p2?

odd heath
#

Obv

gusty mirage
#

you sure about that?

spare bobcat
#

Sounds like a skill issue

odd heath
strange python
#

Sub has CDs for every shield with the damage amp

thorn fjord
#

I’m not risking getting benched by playing sin at the start of prog… I’ll follow the meta till I get the all clear to sin

strange python
#

Sin isn't as behind as people think but sub is definitely better for this boss

thorn fjord
#

Yeah

gusty mirage
#

let's play a game

#

let's look at the top sub rogue not padding with boon

thorn fjord
#

And people will look at logs and think I’m inting

gusty mirage
#

and lets look at the top sin parse on rasz

#

without 6 PIs like @ebon notch

#

k?

#

strictly p2 damage

odd heath
#

98k guy there

#

Ye

ebon notch
gusty mirage
#

then let's look at the shield damage

#

which is arguably the most important for any group progging rasz

odd heath
#

Dmg outside of shield is important also, to not pass P2 with 43% hp on razs

#

But ye, shield is very important

gusty mirage
#

okay fair

#

lets look at the entirety of p2 then

ebon notch
#

weight the damage

gusty mirage
#

assassination, this is legit top performance on rasz w/o externals

image.png
odd heath
#

Top log as sub P2 is 128k dmg

gusty mirage
#

sub

ebon notch
#

oxi link the log

odd heath
#

I do 128k dmg as sin lol

ebon notch
#

apply the filter so all the damage is weighted

#

otherwise its useless

odd heath
#

And I don't even have wft

gusty mirage
#

with one deathmark?

#

in p2?

odd heath
#

2

#

Second outside of shield

grand flume
#

hey, do i spam CT as a finisher in M+ packs or just apply it as a dot and use envenom?

thorn fjord
#

Apply as dot and Env

gusty mirage
gray crest
#

Imma send dance on cd big. Man in discord said damage outside shield is important

ebon notch
#

on prog i sent my DMs to do outside shield damage in p2

strange python
#

Unironically you should probably send dance on CD on raz unless marks are like 3 seconds way

ebon notch
#

cause boss damage mattered more and we had assigned damage on shields already

strange python
#

Gloomblade damage is still big and it'll probably come back up anyways

grand flume
#

ok thanks, im using amp poisons

uncut echo
gusty mirage
#

yes because poison bomb exists

oak sky
#

Nothing matters Cheesin

thorn fjord
#

Are you guys playing first dance?

oak sky
#

Spam button

gusty mirage
#

on rasz?

#

no

thorn fjord
#

K didn’t think so

oak sky
#

Tfd is a pure st talent

gusty mirage
#

if you want to play tfd, just play assassination

#

lol

strange python
#

I just used push and stealthis build for raz

thorn fjord
#

I don’t haha

gusty mirage
#

you could arguably drop 2nd step for more ST damage

#

but meh

strange python
#

Also hope you have lots of grieftorches

gusty mirage
#

after the winds nerfs

strange python
#

For intermission

gusty mirage
#

grieftorch makes intermission laughable

strange python
#

We had one grieftorch going in and decided to reclear

gusty mirage
#

its so sad

odd heath
# gusty mirage with one deathmark?

Just to summarize. This was my latest kill, no wtf, no grieftorch, not using DM on third shield, but before.

Sin can yes outdps sub on p1-2 and 3. It suffers considerably on intermissions, thus the difference in overall

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thorn fjord
#

Blasting

strange python
odd heath
#

Wasn't 128k, but it's easily achievable

gusty mirage
odd heath
#

Sub was 110k

gusty mirage
#

your sub is doing my numbers in p2

odd heath
#

That pull

gusty mirage
#

that's kinda dog

#

because I suck at sub rogue

strange python
#

Tbh I think there's value in having sin for boss damage, just depends on your group

gusty mirage
#

@strange python there is

ebon notch
#

what is this discussion even about

gusty mirage
#

esp if you have more than one rogue

strange python
#

If shields are falling over and adds aren't an issue sin can be valuable esp if going blue side

odd heath
#

But like, u wanted to play a game of numbers @gusty mirage

gusty mirage
#

I mean show the absorb shield damage

#

yours vs his

#

absorbedDamage > 1

#

there's the filter

odd heath
#

What's the filter code?

#

Oh ye

#

That

#

Let me try

#

On phone

gusty mirage
#

because god forbid wcl put that as a button on their awful website

odd heath
#

Should have

gusty mirage
#

wcl's interface is legit hot ass garbage

fleet pagoda
#

I didn't see the filter for P2, thought that was overall dps for the kill. was like "man I suck" haha

gusty mirage
#

blackpowder your way into relevancy

fleet pagoda
#

depends on the group I think? my guild's only heroic rasz kill I gapped the group because I took off on P2 and we were cleave heavy kinda baseline

thorn fjord
#

Wonder if they’re going to want two rogues

gusty mirage
#

and use 3

thorn fjord
#

We don’t have 3

gusty mirage
#

yeah neither did we

oak sky
gusty mirage
#

until we magically did

oak sky
#

Tbh

gusty mirage
#

I loved watching @gray crest rot on the bench because "we're not playing 2 rogues"

#

and now we have 3

#

just like the assassination nerfs

#

haven't received a respectable answer for that

odd heath
oak sky
#

Yeah its really fun when they just decide to not play 2 rogues

thorn fjord
#

We have 2 rogues 2 Dhs 2 warriors

odd heath
#

Wcl on phone bro. Terrible

gusty mirage
#

"You benched roujin because you didn't want to play 2 rogues, and now we're playing 2 rogues."

gusty mirage
odd heath
#

Omg

thorn fjord
#

A man of the people

gusty mirage
#

the man is actually a psychopath

odd heath
#

He is out of his mind

gusty mirage
uncut echo
#

He log reviewd me on mobile

gusty mirage
#

your sub kinda sus tho ngl

uncut echo
#

And helped me surpass him

gusty mirage
odd heath
#

But ye. My point is, sin is very good on this fight, if the rest of the comp can handle aoe

uncut echo
#

The student became the master

gusty mirage
#

this mfer not saving dance for shields or something

odd heath
#

I dunno

gusty mirage
#

that's why I know without a doubt when we get into p3

uncut echo
gusty mirage
#

my RL is gonna be like "can you play assassination?"

#

because we're going into p2 intermission at 43% AINTNOWAY

odd heath
#

Only lose p3 dmg to the pi'ed arms warrior

gusty mirage
#

nerf rogue tho btw

odd heath
#

Can't even compete lol

gusty mirage
thorn fjord
#

Or the BM

odd heath
gusty mirage
#

yeah our p2 is a fucking mess bro

fleet pagoda
#

speaking of execute range; does Zoldyck apply when Rasz is under 35% during a stormsurge or is it only applicable to health damage?

gusty mirage
#

but we've only started getting consistently into last shield of p2

gusty mirage
#

that's a whispyr or koji question tho

#

I'd like to assume it doesn't take into account the absorb

#

but we also assumed lethality worked with shadowstrike

#

so shrug_idk

copper hazel
#

assume: makes an ASS out of U and ME

uncut echo
#

I'm hyped. Once dathea dies brood seems pretty free

odd heath
#

The first time going to p3 is funny. We saw the entire P3, up to the last ring. Wiped at 7% hp lol...

gusty mirage
uncut echo
#

And I'm onto chicken coup

fleet pagoda
#

i'm so lost with all these nuances

copper hazel
gusty mirage
fleet pagoda
gusty mirage
#

never forget week 1 assassination boys

#

before the exsang nerf

#

before the aura nerfs

#

before the Poison Bomb Nerf

#

before the ER nerf

uncut echo
#

I wish they'd just streamline everything and balance from there

#

Shit's so smelly

gusty mirage
#

I think fatal concoction also got nerfed?

oak sky
#

Yep

gusty mirage
#

OH

oak sky
#

I had no gear then tho so did no damage Cheesin

gusty mirage
#

then the talent everyone asked for

uncut echo
gusty mirage
#

so our build diversity became "dtb" or "fuck you"

oak sky
#

:okay:

thorn fjord
#

Build diversity lawl

gusty mirage
#

instead of fixing sub's tree

#

they just gutted assassination's too

fleet pagoda
#

you guys telling me you're not speccing into the shadowstep's CD reduced when used on a target with garrotte?!

uncut echo
#

GIVE US DTB AND KINGSBANE

#

PUSSIES

drowsy creek
#

are there any macros you guys use to reduce keybinds?

uncut echo
#

Not really

oak sky
uncut echo
#

Muta into ambush is bad

gusty mirage
#

how about pvp

oak sky
#

Like ib and intent are definitely for pvp

uncut echo
#

Binding tea to anything isn't anything

gusty mirage
#

gets its own fucking talent tree

oak sky
#

Baseg

gusty mirage
#

instead of giving me garbage like blackjack

#

and unbreakable stride

thorn fjord
#

I bind tea to shiv @uncut echo

#

🤷‍♂️

gusty mirage
#

or imp wound poison

oak sky
#

Hmm but how would they do a pvp tre

#

E

#

Would it be smaller

subtle tundra
gusty mirage
#

the same way they do dragonriding talent tree

oak sky
#

Or would it be the same tree but modified

gusty mirage
#

separate talent tree

oak sky
#

Well like pvpers still need at least some of the core spec abilities

gusty mirage
#

or just move the minigame to its own platform like wow classic

oak sky
#

And they need shit for world content

thorn fjord
# subtle tundra wtf

Mostly for the opener and I’ll use each separately throughout the fight unless it calls@l for both

uncut echo
gusty mirage
#

call it "World of Warcraft: cod xbox live lobbies from 2008"

subtle tundra
#

instead of pressing 2 buttons

thorn fjord
#

Nah just have the tea+shiv macro

subtle tundra
#

alright

thorn fjord
#

But I use it for tea without shiv also

gusty mirage
subtle tundra
#

im out

thorn fjord
#

Like it just works lol

subtle tundra
#

see you when 10.1 ptr drops

uncut echo
#

Cya

oak sky
thorn fjord
#

Hear me out during opener it frees up that extra button press and as the fight goes on ill just use my regular shiv keybind

#

And the tea+shiv one when I need to tea

#

And generally I never send the tea + shiv unless I’m low on energy

gusty mirage
thorn fjord
#

Typing it out makes it seem crazy but I works lol

oak sky
#

👍

thorn fjord
#

And I’m not wasting tea charges or missing shiv casts

uncut echo
#

I'm

#

How you be walkin up

#

To tell us bout tea + shiv

thorn fjord
#

It works for me 🤷‍♂️

#

As long as I’m not wasting tea charges I’m Gucci

uncut echo
stray adder
#

question about the AoE opener, do you need to be at 5+ cp for the first envenom you cast?

#

in the rotation it says tempest > shiv > envenom but I assume at this point you're probably sitting at 0 cp

#

I just saw the FAQ my b

royal lantern
#

you always do finishers at max cp -1

#

for every spec

#

that never changes^^

stray adder
#

I just saw that you're suppose to land on the last reprimand with it

blissful forge
uncut echo
#

Sure can

#

Except sectech

#

:3

raven kiln
royal lantern
#

i hope they dont

#

lol

thorn fjord
#

I do 😛

raven kiln
#

There's time when you send them together but I would never keybind a macro for it.

thorn fjord
#

I dont intentionally have it set to always send them together

#

If i want to use one without the other i can

#

Was more to alleviate opener... and generally Shiv is on CD so it just becomes my tea keybind

raven kiln
#

Only way I could make that work is hit say shift for a separate keybind.

thorn fjord
#

My tea keybind is Shift+Vial key

#

But i dont even use that just use my macro 😛

uncut echo
#

Tea is x for me

#

Vial is f1

#

:3

thorn fjord
#

Shift+3 is my macro

#

Shiv alone is 2 and tea alone is shift+12 on my naga

#

er shift+8***

uncut echo
#

1 muta
2 envenom
3 rupture
4 garrote

thorn fjord
#

weird

#

1 muta 2 shiv 3 env 4 rupture.... Stealth bar Gar is 1 but out of it Gar is Alt+2

uncut echo
#

Shiv is f for me