assassination

[ebon notch]

no shot

what happened

[burnt latch]

boomkin feral isnt ideal

last boss temple not enough damage for adds

boss wont die with that comp

too hard

[thorn fjord]

Yeah that sounds like it would be rough

Holy pal heals?

[ebon notch]

one day warcieft will invite me for keys

or one day ill learn finnish

[burnt latch]

your chances of playing keys with us are similar to you joining korruptio

[spice spire]

Bro

Don’t do him like that

[burnt latch]

finnish gated

[spice spire]

I’m bullying but fuck

[ebon notch]

fuck he overtook me on rio

im 8 points behind now

i gotta go pug

[spice spire]

Name tracks

[ebon notch]

fk u

[spice spire]

You kept asking me to change it from fotm outlaw player

[burnt latch]

my cats keys are on a wide spectrum

[spice spire]

So I did

[thorn fjord]

Why y’all gotta be eu tho

😩

[storm belfry]

Based

[burnt latch]

daps should take finnish lessons

or learn how to heal

so we can game

[thorn fjord]

Can’t be a Chad healing

[burnt latch]

little duolingo sesh

[storm belfry]

You can but most arent sadly

[ebon notch]

or we could just make international group

old warcieft gamed with all nationalities

[spice spire]

Warcieft changed

That’s for sure

[thorn fjord]

Damn I think he just called you a xenophobe @burnt latch

Both of them did

Wow

[burnt latch]

hoooly

the hostility

[thorn fjord]

Haters gonna hate

🤣🤣🤣

[spice spire]

Nah I remember when he’d come in here without being pinged

I miss u(s) warcieft

[thorn fjord]

He hangs out in OL now

[ebon notch]

back when you could actually shitpost in this channel

[thorn fjord]

Buddy this channel is a shit post

[burnt latch]

issue is finding good tanks and healers for random international groups

most ppl of those roles suck

or are already in group with people better than me

[burnt latch]

im active when i play rogue

i have been cat main for while

but now the cat is in a box

[thorn fjord]

Cats are banned in quakes discord

Wb

[burnt latch]

me and quake are doggo men

men of culture

he has seen my dog

[thorn fjord]

[burnt latch]

[thorn fjord]

My lady wants to get a Cavapoo 😑

I want a corgi

[burnt latch]

corgis are awesome im not sure what a cavapoo is

let me google

[thorn fjord]

It’s a mix

[burnt latch]

oh yeah thats a cute ass dog

its like a golden doodle

but smaller

[spice spire]

That’s the trick

All dogs are cute

[thorn fjord]

Essentially

[burnt latch]

true but they vary on a scale

cavapoo is top tier cute

[thorn fjord]

Naaaah

Them tea cup dogs ain’t it

[burnt latch]

i like a bigger dog tbf

[thorn fjord]

If we’re going small I’d want corgi or Shia tzu

[burnt latch]

mines a golden retriever

[sudden canyon]

who making tea cups out of dogs tf

[burnt latch]

he is big as hell too

48kg in the last weigh in

chungus

[thorn fjord]

What do they call pit bulls in eu?

[burnt latch]

pit bulls

[sudden canyon]

mr worldwide

[burnt latch]

i think

[thorn fjord]

Nah they’re called something terriers no?

I want another pitty but our place isn’t big enough

[burnt latch]

terrier is a different breed

afaik

the direct translation for american pittie is "american pit bull terrier"

from finnish

[thorn fjord]

Staffordshire

Terrier

That’s what they call em

[spice spire]

That sounds fake

[burnt latch]

thats a different breed to an american pittie tho

[thorn fjord]

Staffordshire bull terrier

They look the same just smaller

[burnt latch]

i think all dogs are called same everywhere in the world, its just different breeds are more common in different parts of the world

american golden retrievers are a bit different from the ones we have in finland too

or like the more common golden breed

[thorn fjord]

They bigger?

[burnt latch]

we do have the american ones too obviously, but the average golden here is a bit chunkier, think they're like english or something

[thorn fjord]

Awww

[storm belfry]

[thorn fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/pitbull-mr-305-gif-25500152

[nocturne current]

I swear this dude is Cypher from the first matrix.

[thorn fjord]

nah thats mr worldwide

dale

[nocturne current]

No way man, that's cypher after the agreement with agent smith.

[storm belfry]

DALE!!

[thorn fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/smile-nod-yes-robert-redford-beard-gif-10489927

[storm belfry]

I grew up in Florida bro. I was hearing him and daddy Yankee and dj khaled every day man

[thorn fjord]

Where in FL?

[uncut echo]

Fitting that sin chat was talking about dogs for so long

[storm belfry]

Down south. Ft. Lauderdale, Lauderhill, Hialeah, Palm Beach

Just all over really

[thorn fjord]

Hialeah... RIP

[storm belfry]

LOL true dude

Good food tho

[thorn fjord]

Im living in Doral now and I fucking hate it

[royal lantern]

wrong reply, but w/e

talking about dogs ahri

[thorn fjord]

my grandmas house is in Hialeah

[storm belfry]

Yeah I didn’t live there exactly but I knew ppl there and would be around there etc

Lived mostly in lauderhill and just all over Broward county. But in Hollywood too for some time

[thorn fjord]

Sister in law has a house in Ft Lauderdale

smack dab in the middle of the hood

[storm belfry]

Yeah I lived like down the street from ski mask and x and them lmao

[thorn fjord]

Used to drive up to the swap shop every weekend to hit up the drive in

[storm belfry]

I miss that place tbh

Was fun

[thorn fjord]

They closed it

[storm belfry]

But ppl would be getting ganked out there

[uncut echo]

We call that hiding very poorly

[storm belfry]

Yeah I heard

[sudden canyon]

you put a mainstat/crit gem in lariat?

or crit/mast

[thorn fjord]

Sim it

[storm belfry]

I haven’t been down there in a while. My closest friends are all down there still

[thorn fjord]

Mine sims Main Stat/crit

Others sometimes get mastery

[sudden canyon]

well ive stat weight simmed recently and agi is still giga higher that any of my secondaries.

[storm belfry]

I don’t think it matters where you have a mainstat crit gem. As long as it’s on you

[thorn fjord]

I'm dying to leave Miami

[storm belfry]

Yeah I loved going there but idk if I could live there

[sudden canyon]

im thinking about the embellishment

[storm belfry]

I didn’t go down too much even when I was there

[storm belfry]

It affects all sockets on you

Not just on the neck

[sudden canyon]

oh shit

mbmb

[storm belfry]

Yeah I found that out when I was getting an earth effect when my neck had all air

Then I looked at my ring and saw it had earth Gem

[sudden canyon]

oh wait so it doesnt even proc for mainstat gem regardless.

since its not an elemental gem

[vestal wren]

!neck

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923750073499648/1055055765980844093/image.png Lariat can proc ANY gem you have equipped, in any slot.

[sudden canyon]

ohkay so when yall said sim it yall really ment sim it. coz i just realized not all crit gems are fire gems 😭

life was simpler before i bought a lariat

[spice spire]

[royal lantern]

when people here say "just sim" its serious ^^

[sudden canyon]

well i figured its like why do i need to sim if its just a stat prio thing. but i didnt realize the "elemental" part of the gems wasnt as straight forward as i assumed

[violet jackal]

even understanding stat priority you do hit a point where it an increase to have haste or versatility on a few pieces of gear vs all gear being crit/mastery

[sudden canyon]

yea im sub 410 ilvl. and i have a few vers/haste peices that ive yet to get rid off.

i agree tho.

[oak tangle]

lariat just buffs the smaller stat, not that complicated XD

[robust sparrow]

hello guys quick question in m+ at what point do you spam crimson tempest (if you do) instead of envenom ?

[balmy condor]

You don’t really

You can sorta do both

Because poison bomb does quite a bit

[robust sparrow]

ok, because i've seen some who spam and some who dont so i dont really know

[balmy condor]

Just use envenom for prio damage, and crimson tempest for spread out enemies

[robust sparrow]

i seen when they spam its like 6+ mobs

[balmy condor]

Maintain both the envenom buff and the ct dot

And you’re doing good

[robust sparrow]

ok

ty

[random fossil]

Ravenholdt

I love you

[royal lantern]

[balmy condor]

https://tenor.com/view/jhope-hobi-jhope-i-know-what-you-are-jhope-i-know-i-know-what-you-are-dog-gif-26011861

[stiff frost]

my black lab

[balmy condor]

!pd

[prisma monolith]

Pandemic takes up to 30% of the duration of a applied dot/buff and adds it to your new applied one. The duration depends on the new instance.
Example: Garrote (18 sec) can be extended by up to 5.4 seconds from an existing instance.
Note: Pandemic applies to most but not all debuffs/buffs

[kind talon]

i love you (me) (we are t he same person)

[slim pebble]

I've been a sub enjoyer the last two expacs. If I wanted to try sin again in keys what would be the best starter spec?

[balmy condor]

faq

[kind talon]

dtb ic but its in the faq

[tough gorge]

I play both assass and sub for mythic+ but unlesd the tank plays around your IC, it becomes really hard to use for high keys

[balmy condor]

?

[slim pebble]

I'm only in 19-20s. Nothing crazy on my end

[balmy condor]

it's just at the start of the pull or if the pull is long, on cooldown

how is that hard

[tough gorge]

Whats at the start of pull?

[balmy condor]

IC?

[tough gorge]

You use IC before the mobs are together? And use right as mobs are pulled?

Might me misunderstanding

[balmy condor]

yes?

it's got like a 25 yard range

[tough gorge]

Yeah but tanks usually go around pulling mobs and IC for me usually not in range of all

Seems a waste of it

[balmy condor]

okay so then wait 2 seconds

there are very few pulls where you're pulling mobs that far apart

[tough gorge]

Again, depends how the tank is pulling. Most of the time its fine, but requires some planning. Dont need to plan for sub.

[balmy condor]

feels like a really overblown argument

but oaky

[kind talon]

Sub and sin both want the mobs to be grouped

Sub just has stuff it can do in the meantime but like

Idk

[tough gorge]

I mean...

Every class wants mobs grouped

[kind talon]

Disingenuous argument, no packs take that long to group in these dungeons

U aren’t sitting on your hands as sin

[tough gorge]

The point is assass is so reliant on IC aoe lining up that if you mess it up its a feelz bad moment

[balmy condor]

it really isn't

[oak sky]

lets just make it have no cooldown, 40y range, and uncapped

fixes all the friction

[kind talon]

Fully passive

Just every time you rupture or garrote it spreads

[balmy condor]

IC is good

but if you hit 6 targets with it instead of 8

you're not going to suddenly be like a billion dps down

[kind talon]

Then they could make our ticks proc free envenoms and envenom buff affect our bleed damage

And then they could call us like

Feral Rogue

[oak sky]

things people think they want but they don't

also free envenoms would be counterproductive because we're already energy capped 🤓

[balmy condor]

not if you don't plan your IC and it doesn't hit things or whatever

[oak sky]

give me an energy dump

Yepge

make ct a shorter dot with an energy dump

[slow marsh]

IC is good just not as a capstone when other dot specs get it in the first row

We are just copy pasting the same things over and over right? Did I do good

[oak sky]

yeah i think so

but dont make it 30s though thats too boring thanks

[kind talon]

IC is good just not as a capstone when other dot specs get it in the first row

[misty holly]

make it PASSIVE. It's a capstone afterall. Would it really be "busted" to have a capstone that makes all garrotte and ruptures hit aoe?

I bet sin would still be the worst M+ spec.

but it would be slightly better

[balmy condor]

you put carnage where exsang is

and then put something new in the place of carnage

we might almost be viable then

[misty holly]

The new capstone could be whenever a bleed or poison ticks it does that damage to all monsters within 8 yards. Combined with IC we would then be viable.

[sudden canyon]

do you feel like the capstone should relate to the talents that lead into it.

[oak sky]

there should definitely be components of synergy in the tree

[sudden canyon]

what synergizes with scent?

theyed have to move scent to near IC

[storm belfry]

10/10

[gusty mirage]

I’ve been stockholm syndromed by blizzard into believing it’s fine

[oak sky]

a new talent that replaces ic in theory

[storm belfry]

Wait this is more appropriate Oxi

[sudden canyon]

thats the convo

[oak sky]

literally anything that does aoe

[gusty mirage]

After the last new talent, I’m good. Please don’t add anything new

[oak sky]

like actually anything

[gusty mirage]

Just move them around idc

[balmy condor]

The entire gameplay of multi-dotting

[gusty mirage]

But no more new talents

Blizzard has proven that they don’t know wtf to do for sin aoe

Just leave it

[sudden canyon]

as a capstone.

[gusty mirage]

They’re making everything worse every time they touch it

[balmy condor]

I’m sure they can think of something

[oak sky]

im on the energy dump hype train

[gusty mirage]

Thankfully they’ve had a lot of time to ponder

[oak sky]

let us get value out of vw

[gusty mirage]

With all the rogue changes we’ve gotten

[sudden canyon]

wdym

[oak sky]

so our highest cost abilities are like 30 energy right

we generate like

way more than that in aoe

so we end up overcapping a lot

which means we waste value on venomous wounds

it would be nice if we had something that was like 100+ energy and did a ton of damage so we could get an actual payoff for the way our spec works

[gusty mirage]

Large damage button on assassination

I’ll take whatever you’re smoking

[misty holly]

I mean, with the way we generate energy since 10.0 that should just be envenom. Let envenom spend all your energy for increased effect depend on how much you have.

[oak sky]

envenom

a single target ability

[misty holly]

Even in single target I overcap constantly during deathmark and during hero.

Or if I have to spend 2 seconds away from the boss moving, instant overcap

[storm onyx]

what was the affect that let Rupture to tick double?

[oak sky]

my solution was a talent that makes ct a shorter dot that does more damage

then when we clip it its less value lost cuz its short

and then the dot just blasts

[storm onyx]

I thought they would bring it like mid tree- so it affects ST and Aoe

and make it affect not just rupture

[misty holly]

And this is still 10.0.... I remember during 9.0 energy was so much slower than during 9.2.5. Gameplay spend up a ton with higher ilevel

imagine what 10.2 will be like

Something needs to happen or they might as well just remove energy as a resource. what's the point

[oak sky]

9.2.5 we had a whole tier set that sped us up lmao

[misty holly]

we're just a gcd spam class

[grim tangle]

delete slice and dice

[sudden canyon]

^

[gaunt moat]

Amen

[spice spire]

Cope

[random fossil]

There was a lot of wine ok leave me alone

[nocturne current]

Crimson Hurricane

[royal lantern]

not much will change cus assa cant really go much higher

like, normaly it goes higher cus more stats, but its allready near gcd locked, and at the same time has 0 off gcd abilitys

~60apm is more or less the maximum avaible for assa

[keen spruce]

psure our only off gcd abilities are vanish and tea

all that stat inflation will do is help trim some of those energy valleys before deathmark comes back up

but it's not gonna "speed" up the spec

[gaunt moat]

I wonder where we'll from here in terms on stats
we're already sitting at around 35% crit and it's just first tier

[peak gate]

hey all. I cant for the life of me find the recommended poison setup. Currently been running deadly and amplifying. Can anyone confirm that is the right setup or point me to a good resource? TIA!

[kind talon]

thats correct buddy

ur doin good

[peak gate]

Thanks 🙂

[ebon notch]

btw @balmy condor

do you know shadow crash from spriests?

[kind talon]

[ebon notch]

stfu dingus

[kind talon]

mfer out here baiting

[royal lantern]

[ebon notch]

...no im not

[kind talon]

@balmy condor do you know primal wrath from feral druids

[oak sky]

stop typing

stop typing

stop typing

[ebon notch]

jesus fuck go back to OT dekai

[oak sky]

did you know primal wrath is ic but not a capstone jajajaja

[royal lantern]

did you know that psychick link is blade flury but better
jajajajjajaja

[ember mural]

[oak sky]

boring ass milquetoast takes

[ebon notch]

i wasnt trying to meme lmao

[royal lantern]

hey, he started the brainrot, i just make stupid comments on it

[balmy condor]

[balmy condor]

[ebon notch]

great now dekai ruined my discussion point

[kind talon]

what is your discussion point bro

[ebon notch]

that you should fuck off bro

ur zooming too hard

[kind talon]

shadow priest has assassination capstone in row 4

[balmy condor]

what if IC was shadow crash

[kind talon]

it would be better

🤓

[balmy condor]

have you guys seen feral

[royal lantern]

what if IC was baseline and passive

[balmy condor]

lot of cool ideas

that sin has but better

primal wrath is IC

[kind talon]

[kind talon]

primal wrath is ic but better and you can recast it for instant damage

their garrote baseline cleaves

[balmy condor]

no way bro

that's wild

[ebon notch]

ill try again another day

[drifting cloud]

[royal lantern]

you could also call it primal

[balmy condor]

if one more person reminds me that shadow priest and feral have IC but better and "what if it just did that"

I will commit a hate crime against a marginalized group

[royal lantern]

what group

[balmy condor]

to be determined

I'll find one

[ebon notch]

wow that was exactly what i was going to say!!

its crazy how nobody realised that but me!!!

[balmy condor]

true!

whats the take

[ebon notch]

dw about it

[balmy condor]

fantastic

I love talking about nothing

[kind talon]

ok im sorry @ebon notch i apologize for clowning you what is your take

[ebon notch]

i didnt even ahve a fucking take lmao

i just wanted to discuss shit

[kind talon]

just do it against assassination rogues

[ebon notch]

god damn

[balmy condor]

okay, yes I am aware of shadow crash existing

what are we discussing about it

[oak sky]

my take is vt and pain do no damage

[kind talon]

uncap ic and make it deal the damage of the dots instantly all at once

@oak sky

and remove its cooldown

[oak sky]

ok but energy poverty

[drifting cloud]

slow day at work dekai?

[kind talon]

yes

[drifting cloud]

[kind talon]

[royal lantern]

serious question time for whisp:

what do you think about amp poison? to boring/passive? if you could change Something about it, what would you do?

[oak sky]

lemme say mine

my take

poisons are passive

amp just makes envenom do more damage

[balmy condor]

I think it's good enough

it's hard to make interesting poisons

[ember mural]

make it stack to 100 and make envenom a charge-up spell a la evoker that you can press+hold to consume more amp poison stacks. you consume stacks faster than you generate so you have to plan it a little bit

[balmy condor]

sounds like a mess

[royal lantern]

imo the biggest "problem" is that envenom is the only assa finisher beside rupture

if it had something else and amp could stack higher? would be somewhat cool imo

[balmy condor]

you would just end up holding the stacks for shiv

as many as feasible

[oak sky]

amp least of problem

[balmy condor]

or you would still just want to envenom uptime

and it would auto consume

you just gotta slow down the spec

envenom is meaningless if you're at 100% uptime

[kind talon]

crimson tempest

checkmate

[royal lantern]

did i ever said its a problem?

[oak sky]

nah

[royal lantern]

[oak sky]

but ur a problem

for my cock

making it stand up and all

:supercock:

[kind talon]

what the hell

[royal lantern]

least horny #assassination user

[kind talon]

yo new sin talent every rupture and garrote gives higher chance for poison bomb to proc

whispyr has sin ever had strong aoe

[oak sky]

that would be a poison bomb sound dopamine rush

[balmy condor]

there's 2 main problems

1 - sin aoe doesn't make any sense
2 - it's a spec that wants to play around uptimes, but they're already at 100%

that's kinda the big ones

[oak sky]

energy dump

[balmy condor]

8.3 was okay

legion aoe was okay if you chain rng procced poison bomb too

[royal lantern]

fokfokfokfokfokfokfokfokfokfokfokfok

8.3 aoe

[balmy condor]

but they're both examples of just having borrowed power that was so crazy busted op that it warped the entire spec

because it was so much stronger than anything else the spec had

[oak sky]

surely next tier is our tier

[kind talon]

ye

[oak sky]

[kind talon]

bro i cant believe they removed vendetta

and then they gave us vendetta

but a bleed

[oak sky]

make ct cost a lot of energy and not last very long

[kind talon]

give ct a choice node that either does more damage the less targets it affects or does a virulent plague effect

solved

actually solved

[oak sky]

virulent plague

[kind talon]

i actually cracked the code

[oak sky]

more damage less targets sounds like single target

[kind talon]

ebon fever**

[oak sky]

thats cringe

[kind talon]

Virulent Plague deals 15% more damage over time in half the duration.

[kind talon]

i mean

[oak sky]

real humans dont want that

[kind talon]

yes i want my purist 2 finisher spec

[royal lantern]

can confirm

[oak sky]

oh you mean outlaw or?

[royal lantern]

im a very real human that does normal human things, and i dont want that

[kind talon]

outlaw is like

1.5

sin is too i guess

[royal lantern]

wanna talk about sub?

[oak sky]

sub has 3 tho

[kind talon]

4

[oak sky]

we cant deny that

i guess snd exists on sub

[kind talon]

evis bp sectech rupture

?

[oak sky]

bp doesnt count

[kind talon]

[oak sky]

at any given time you have 3 on sub

[kind talon]

???

[oak sky]

?

bro

also we were talking about st anyways

so sub doesnt have bp

[kind talon]

mfer forgot about the funnel

[oak sky]

https://tenor.com/view/aintnoway-gif-27058877

[kind talon]

budget nitro

[royal lantern]

only nerds pay for nitro

[kind talon]

[royal lantern]

get pushed into a locker

[kind talon]

yeah you gonna tap my butt?

maybe kiss me on the lips while youre at it?

@oak sky but yeah its funny sub has 3 finishers

[drifting cloud]

https://tenor.com/view/plink-wide-cat-plink-cat-meow-gif-27396868

[oak sky]

the finisher spec

[kind talon]

sin and outlaw have 1.5

but they are still harder

[oak sky]

nah i think they have 2

its not like they extend bte/rupture

[kind talon]

im counting bte rupture as .5

[oak sky]

or get free uptime on them

you press them regularly

[gusty mirage]

why would you count rupture as half of a finisher

[kind talon]

thats true

[oak sky]

like i think you can argue in 9.2 outlaw has 1.5

but rn nah

its just 2

[kind talon]

i guess only bte is half a finisher

[kind talon]

nah bte is half a finisher

[gusty mirage]

well

[oak sky]

you bte like every 16s

[gusty mirage]

that's enough internet for the weekend

[oak sky]

you press bte more than rupture

[kind talon]

like every 20 seconds

[gusty mirage]

imma go take some medication

[kind talon]

and it does no damage

[gusty mirage]

and stare at my ceiling for the next 4 hours trying to fall asleep

[kind talon]

hope u have a good night man

love u

[oak sky]

its just an enabler

[kind talon]

[oak sky]

its still a finisher

[gusty mirage]

[kind talon]

it literally did damage

until this patch

[oak sky]

well yeah

it doesnt get the crit

anymore

spamming that shit in rp was sick

[kind talon]

it did damage for ever since it existed until now

they decided its now an uptime debuff

[gusty mirage]

they couldn't fit it into the core of the spec

it'd be too strong ya know?

[kind talon]

yeah

[gusty mirage]

it'd go from like 15th in ST

to like 13th

INSANE

[kind talon]

yeah

rough

[oak sky]

spamming bte in rp

banger

banger

[gusty mirage]

same reason they can't fix nightstalker

[kind talon]

they gave us a legit useless talent

on the way to bte crits

[gusty mirage]

or when they went to tune outlaw because it was "too strong in m+" they did an aura nerf instead of nerfing blade flurry

[oak sky]

dude why didnt they like

[kind talon]

[gusty mirage]

[oak sky]

make a talent that gave bte 4 small special effects

and call it 4 in the chamber

so like you get

ace up your sleeves

4x crit

and 2 other things based on 4

[kind talon]

thats based

[oak sky]

like none of them too too strong individually

but together its pretty good

and then its super batchest

because gun outlaw

[kind talon]

u get ace, 4x crit, extends rtbs by 4 seconds and makes ur next pistol shot deal 4x damage

[oak sky]

sure

instant banger

[royal lantern]

but its rng what buff you get???

[kind talon]

no it gives all 4 every time

bud

[royal lantern]

needs to fit into RtB afterall

[kind talon]

[gusty mirage]

the rng is how much they'd nerf outlaw for to compensate for this insane buff

is it another 3%? is it 5%?

[oak sky]

nah its just an idea that exists to put ace up your sleeves and bte crit on 1 talent point

[gusty mirage]

[royal lantern]

ye sorry, its 2023, outlaw is a well desinged spec, so it has all buffs all the time, thats not a desing flaw btw

[oak sky]

thats been a thing since 2020

:icant:

[royal lantern]

not in the aggressive form it has rn tbh

[oak sky]

i mean

pretty sure we had more buffs in SL

[kind talon]

To fix outlaw all they need to do

All

They need to do

Is rework gm

There’s like 100 other things they can do to make it a better spec than it is

[oak sky]

"main gauche procs more"

[kind talon]

But to make it not fundamentally broken

Just fix gm

[royal lantern]

idc man, i litearlly cant play the spec anyway

[oak sky]

what about making bt useful

[kind talon]

It is

Rn

[oak sky]

well i guess like

in proc poverty it feels less awful than tb rp and gm

[oak tangle]

That double take moment to be sure I didn’t click on the outlaw channel

[royal lantern]

nobody talked about apm

and no hard R was used in the last 4min

so nope, not #outlaw

[kind talon]

This isn’t dh discord bud

[kind talon]

I mean just due to ambush it’s useful cause you’re using energy a lot!

[royal lantern]

ask oxi about the filter hits

[kind talon]

There’s no shot

[oak tangle]

Hey this is assass channel we have LITERALLY nothing else to talk about so it’s fine

[spice spire]

That isn’t a hard r buck-o

[oak sky]

lot of r words in outlaw channel get deleted

[spice spire]

Hard R is something very different

[royal lantern]

hard r is just supposed to mean "filter hit" in that case

[spice spire]

But the r word is used there like nonstop it’s wild

I think I’ve seen the actual hard r once ever

[kind talon]

That’s insane

[spice spire]

In a filter

That is

[oak tangle]

I’m gonna act like I know what you guys mean XD

[balmy condor]

we auto-delete messages with no-no words

they're talking about that

[oak tangle]

Oh yeah I had that happen to me with a word, colloquially not considered bad but I can understand

Just Australian things

[pastel onyx]

Rrrr

[spice spire]

banned

[pastel onyx]

[drifting cosmos]

fotm sub rotation

[balmy condor]

my greatest creation

[pallid bough]

This is a very good sticker holy

[balmy condor]

Thank you

It took me an hour roided off like 5 Red Bulls at 6am

[pallid bough]

Bruh

LMAO

@balmy condor you should have edited that scene from Friends when Ross is playing the keyboard with sub rotation

https://youtu.be/z0PJnc8BFTk

This one

Also sorry should just post this in #off-topic

4 am cooked brain

[vestal granite]

bongoloids unite

[limber lion]

[sullen pagoda]

now thats a goated gif

[timber wharf]

god

the faq is like "here's a talent tree but dont use it"

[pastel onyx]

https://tenor.com/view/stoned-cat-stoned-cat-funny-huh-gif-19222132

[dark token]

Cause its barely a swear

[dark token]

No one ever uses it to be derogative to disabled people

[pastel onyx]

ye people just give medical diagnoses to other people

[dark token]

It's not a medical word since like 1960

Literally the same thing as calling someone a moron

Or an idiot

[pastel onyx]

its intellectual disability nowadays i think

[dark token]

No it's not lol

[viscid spear]

Terms change.
Lame used to mean 'crippled', in either the physical or mental capacity.
Then there's "a bundle of sticks"

[pastel onyx]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intellectual_disability

https://tenor.com/view/stoned-cat-stoned-cat-funny-huh-gif-19222132

[dark token]

Yeah lame used to be bad and now it's common

I consider dumbass to be a stronger word lol

[viscid spear]

Looks like the filter is working overtime

[dark token]

This is from someone with literally a disabled sibling

[viscid spear]

What makes lame funnier is that it's such a tame word now.

Just "uncool".

[viscid spear]

My brother was born with the umbilical cord wrapped around his neck so he was short of oxygen, making him less-than-sharp.
But he's one of those self-aware ones where they use it to their advantage

[dark token]

Wait this is assassination not off topic lmao I thought i was in the other channel

Ah well no one here anyway they went sub

[viscid spear]

They're having a scientific discussion in OT right now

[vestal wren]

good that you are self aware

[pastel onyx]

[wind totem]

should I hold puzzlebox for the second deathmark? This is no exsang build.

[nocturne current]

If you can only fit one more puzzle box in the fight yes.

[wind totem]

so in general use it on cd but the last one i can sync

got it

thanks

[static glacier]

how're you guys timing cds on dathea?

you guys hold dm for platform?

since puzzle will be up

debating holdiing 2nd dm til around 3ms to delete 2nd plat infuser

or is it just go sub angle

[weak isle]

If u go platforms, its a sub angle

Sin shines on boss dmg if u can stay on main platform

Or go for a cleave sin build ig with crimson maybe

[static glacier]

we gave up on staying on plat

I can just go sub np

comfortable on all three specs

[weak isle]

Ye i fully recommend sub cleave build then

Way better at executing platforms

[static glacier]

I'm unconvinced they funnel better than sin

sad timeline where sub funnel is this sus

[wind totem]

i disagree

hope they delete that spec

[weak isle]

They should delete outlaw

[wind totem]

i can live with that if it means sub goes away too

[static glacier]

what's wrong with sub and outlaw xd

oh no I press gloomblade and shadowstrike instead of mut 🥲

[weak isle]

I hate outlaw cus of its players

[wind totem]

I hate sub cuz its shit to play

I have never played a more unfun spec

just thinking about it makes me ill

[weak isle]

thats why we have multiple specs and classes for everyone there is something

[crisp pine]

What if I hate every spec?

[weak isle]

Try feral, hidden 4th spec

[crisp pine]

God why can't rogue be a cat

[drifting cosmos]

Can never hate a cat

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/kitty-cat-sandwich-cats-sandwich-gif-26112528

[weak isle]

D:

[trim lodge]

Hi,
if we desynced Deathmark & Exsanguinate. For how long would you hold one of them to sync with the other again? (given you won't lose a use due to holding it)

[uncut echo]

You hold exsang until the 3rd death mark cast at 4 minutes

Along with puzzlebox

Unless you lose a cast

[trim lodge]

So, Exsang is worth holding, DM not?

[uncut echo]

Correct

You never hold vanish dm

[trim lodge]

Cool. thank you

[uncut echo]

Mhm <3

[formal ore]

hey guys how much crit do i need to stack before focusing on increasing mastery ?

cause icy veins tells me its up to 35%

[ember mural]

icy veins doesnt say that

[pastel onyx]

There is no stats

U get gear

U sim it

Thats about it

Or u sim it

And then get it

By crafting

U will get stats naturally by just gettin gear and simming

[storm belfry]

True and real

[uncut echo]

Crit good

[royal lantern]

fact and existing

[formal ore]

yes it does

[formal ore]

ok i'll sim all gems later thanks

[frail rivet]

in the process of crafting a flaring cowl

waht thee hell

[marble hemlock]

apparently it does, but i dont know why

thats supposed to say 40-45%

@formal ore

[violet jackal]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[formal ore]

oh ok

[marble hemlock]

basically

(i added a disclaimer in the guide as well now)

theres no set amount of crit you want

but you dont wanna run like 4% haste in m+ either, so once youre at like 40% crit, you dont "need" every piece to have it

[wind totem]

Is there any significant difference between using versa and corrupting rage phials?

[uncut echo]

Vers gives defensive bonus as well

Rage is shit imho

[wind totem]

i meant damage wise

cuz ive been looking through the top logs and its mainly versa but some guys are using corrupting rage

and i wonder if it's just preference

[winter gale]

Where do we stand atm as PI target?

[royal lantern]

not a priority

[winter vapor]

for heroic dathea are we running ST DTB or M+ DTB spec?

generally.

[royal lantern]

always st

why would you run m+, its not m+

[winter vapor]

we were having some issues with the add phase, so my RL asked for more add dmg

[royal lantern]

you are not doing adds as assa

you should stay on boss platform

[tacit otter]

do you have boon? thats the most aoe you could possibly do on the platforms

[winter vapor]

only at 395, do have whetstone as well albeit at a lower level

[tacit otter]

imo just use the boon for the platforms and call it

swapping talents will just lose too much st and the gain you get is pathetic

[winter vapor]

cheers 🙂 will do

[thorn fjord]

Tell that to @gusty mirage 🤣

[storm glacier]

hey guys new to asa rogue and sorry for the dumb question but in m+ do we use envenom on big packs or just crimson tempest ? ty alot

[royal lantern]

you put bleeds out until they are on all priority targets and you have enough energy to spam, then you do ct->keep envenom buff up->spam ct until envenom buff runs out->repeat

[storm glacier]

so like lets say i have a 3 pack pull aprox 12-16 mobs will that still allow me to spread bleeds or not? or i keep spamming fan of knives CT and on max cp envenom?

[thorn fjord]

Keep ct and spam Env on prio

Ct up*

Pb procs should give more dmg gains

If you’re an rng lord

If not rip

[storm glacier]

ok thanks

[sweet dawn]

Mythic Terros W for ya boi

I beat the arms warrior

[oak tangle]

Bit awkward for that warrior. Make sure to let him know to update to #3

[sweet dawn]

To be fair in the last section I got 3 grieftorch casts xD

But a dub is a dub

[nocturne current]

Is there a reason why I am generating combo points with deathmark or am I imagining stuff?

[gusty mirage]

duplicating garrote

you get the shrouded cp

[brazen zodiac]

💃

[nocturne current]

Wait, can you explain that somehow else? I'm confused

[gusty mirage]

when it duplicates the empowered garrote

it gives you the shrouded cp when it duplicates

[thorny aurora]

When doing the opener where you delay vanish+garrote after DM/Exsang
Let's say I'm holding Exsang at 3min to line it up with my CDs at 4min
How do I use them together again ? I suppose that time you don't vanish garrote after but before

[gusty mirage]

like it applies the 2cp bonus to the duplicated garrote

[gusty mirage]

you'd hold exsang 1min for it to resync with deathmark & vanish

unless the boss will die before then

if it will

just send it

[willow sundial]

Any Raz killers, who can tell what cd's they use on what shields?

[thorny aurora]

ye sure, but do you refresh garrote and rupture, then exsang/deathmark

and when garrote from exsang fade, vanish garrote

or do you vanish garrote and then exsang dm

[nocturne current]

O.o Since was it like that?

I literally never seen this, lol, nice. Thanks that solved the mystery

[gusty mirage]

you'd try to pandemic both as long as possible before slamming exsang again

[nocturne current]

Yeah I had never noticed it since I always double garrote. Cewl mechanic.

[gusty mirage]

apparently always

[nocturne current]

Haha nice, I tought my UI was tricking me.

[gusty mirage]

@thorny auroraso essentially, you'd vanish into garrote then rupture -> er -> rupture -> exsang

you could also double garrote if you want

[nocturne current]

Funny... The subterfuge fourth cooldown works with garrote, but doesn't work deathmark

[thorny aurora]

i see, thanks!

[lethal yoke]

Can anyone here Roast me assasination kill on terros? I really want to beat that hunter https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/a2WgX7YwGBf4mThx/#fight=17

[gusty mirage]

you want to beat a BM hunter with a raz bow?

I love the bravado

[balmy condor]

can you tell me where you casted your second exsang?

just based off that graph

where do you think it is

[lethal yoke]

3.30

[balmy condor]

yeh

you notice how it's the smallest little bump ever

that's why we hold exsang/box for 4 min with deathmark

[lethal yoke]

Ahh thank you

[balmy condor]

also

this is real messy

rup -> er -> rup -> sbs, then move, box, exsang -> dm

this is just a waste of your exsang

would also let you move that vanish out into the deathmark

rather than casting it beforehand

[lethal yoke]

ok thank you, i will go hit some target dummies now and adopt that

thank you @balmy condor

[balmy condor]

also these shiv casts

they're CLOSE

but I should be seeing casts every 25 seconds like clockwork

and some of those gaps are bigger than others

you held it for like 10 seconds at 1:30

and then like 5 second here, 5 seconds there

[lethal yoke]

ok, I think i was trying to pool energy

but is it better to just fire it?

[balmy condor]

I think you missed like

2? casts

but yeah

you dont play around shiv

whatsoever

[lethal yoke]

ok thank you.

[weak isle]

wisphyr doing log review

do mine next

[balmy condor]

last thing to beating the hunter is

you won't

hunter is dumb

[nocturne current]

Weren't huntards already #1 in terros pre-buff?

[balmy condor]

ye

and then arms got buffed

and that's better than us now too

nice

solid 5k ahead

love that

[lethal yoke]

Thank you so much! I humbly take your roasting and will be back stronger

[balmy condor]

let me know how it goes

that way I can praise you as well

[lethal yoke]

https://tenor.com/view/exterminador-do-futuro-gif-20118743

[weak isle]

https://tenor.com/view/plink-wide-cat-plink-cat-meow-gif-27396868

[balmy condor]

https://tenor.com/view/pigeon-vibes-emmit-fenn-who-dat-music-gif-18494627

[versed mica]

You forget, hunter is the most played class and therefore statistically it has more bad people playing it, therefore you have a high chance of beating hunter ez

[balmy condor]

You forget, rogue is the most played class by mythic+ animals and therefore statistically has 60% more brain rot from people playing it, therefore you have a high chance of encountering the most deranged ape ez

[weak isle]

looking at #outlaw

[balmy condor]

I can feel the healer drought in M+ and this week is basically saying to us: "Please don't be toxic toward the healers and support them because we need them badly". I am playing Outlaw Rogue rather than Sub Rogue because Outlaw Rogue is helping the healer more. Sha of Doubt in TJS is menace this week, I've been reroll Roll the Bone until I get Grand Melee and keep that to help the healer.

[weak isle]

💀

[balmy condor]

is it a real thing someone said or just a fake copypasta

no one knows

and the fact that you can't tell which it is

should say a lot

[weak isle]

[keen spruce]

we'll kill broodkeeper tonight surely

[royal lantern]

its real

100%

"i take GM to help the healer" sounds like a legit dps brain take that has no clue about healing

[brazen zodiac]

you forget, survival*

💃

survival hunter fun u should try it out whisp feels like sin rogue :D

[serene fossil]

Isnt it boomba go brrrrr anymore?

[spice spire]

That mf a sub one trick

On god

[brazen zodiac]

is that supposed to be bomb

huh

[static glacier]

agree, my main alt is sv

[serene fossil]

Well obv😂

[static glacier]

think im gona play it over rogue on brood next raid

[lofty jacinth]

how hard is it to change from outlaw to sub

[static glacier]

bombs are weak now, so is sv aoe in general.

[serene fossil]

Super easy, wrong channel tho maybe

[lofty jacinth]

I cannot do enough damage at 21 with outlaw

[brazen zodiac]

weird

[lofty jacinth]

ah yeah, mb

[brazen zodiac]

💃

[static glacier]

just make sure you have the dance gameplay down with DM and everything else is super easy

[balmy condor]

brother came into sin to ask a question regarding literally everything except sin

💀

[serene fossil]

Figured that, had a little hope bombs arent shit tho lol

[serene fossil]

Thats how important it is to him🫡

[static glacier]

you can play sin in keys too, honestly while weaker than the other specs it's still going to time stuff around low 20s without any major effort needed

[nocturne current]

I mean you can time stuff even at 24's easily without any major effort, it's a skill issue not the spec - only at 26+ or so it starts becoming an output issue

[static glacier]

ofc

but it feels like you're giving up like 10-30k overall compared to the other specs

[nocturne current]

Compared to the meta uncapped classes maybe, but everything else.. should be fine until 25/26

[static glacier]

Im comparing it to other rogues

but yeah in general its 100% fine

[nocturne current]

Only sadge thing is the only rogue I have to compete in my realm is Zero himself

[tough gorge]

They would clearly have some data about the state of assassin rogues.... im sure their will be an update... hopefully a good one

[unreal bear]

my zero brain suggestion is making crimson tempest baseline

[formal ore]

sad that sin is the only one that feels nice to play

[inner pier]

@rigid mango Have they made vulpera bis yet or what for assa?

[rigid mango]

Fairly sure it is nowadays

[ebon notch]

👀

[spice spire]

Zine in spec channel

2023 what a year

[storm belfry]

I’m ready for 24

[spice spire]

Same

[hollow girder]

wondering how people feel about this, but what are people's opinions for assass in pvp atm?

[storm belfry]

The nerfs weren’t enough. It’s still good

[hollow girder]

i'm by no means good or decent, or think i'm entitled to a higher rank but this is my second season of pvp, I hit 1.9 back in shadowlands but atm rogue just feels so lacklustre in comparison (mind i basically just q solo shuffle), when i'm going up against basically anything that isnt just a caster lobby, i'm at a disadvantage immediately compared to the dps of anything in plate, a hunter or a dh

[balmy condor]

assassination is crazy op

the heal block is bonkers

but a convo for #pvp more than here

[hollow girder]

mb, just joined the server and went straight for the spec channel

[balmy condor]

all good

[storm belfry]

I can tell you the class as a whole is not lackluster at all in pvp atm. It’s probably the most played class

There is one on every team practically

[hollow girder]

basically just feels like i'm getting fuck all for twice the effort with less impact outside of cc and setup compared to something like warrior, dh etc who kill through anyway and it's gg if my other dps isn't there to pick up on kill potential

[storm belfry]

Pvp is all about set up and such anyway. As always has been really

You do a good set up you kill them w your CDs + sepsis

They can’t live

A good rogue will just “dance” w the enemy and then kill them when they trip idk

[regal sable]

pre sure no rogue plays sepsis nowadays

[storm belfry]

I think it’s still good after nerfs

[balmy condor]

god bless

fuck sepsis

[storm belfry]

But probs some better tech you probs right

I love sepsis

Should make IC add sepsis AOE

[hollow girder]

there's that, but the majority of these matches with the likes of a warrior, dh or so on its high burst and high dps in general, i'm forced defensives and the game is done before i can get much kill opportunity

[balmy condor]

only if we get rid of the improved garrote nonsense

[storm belfry]

I’d be okay w that

[balmy condor]

sepsis proccing improved garrote is giga whack

such a cursed rotation

[storm belfry]

I just liked the dot from it

[balmy condor]

you have like 3 ways to apply improved garrote and you want to use none of them, or all of them

[regal sable]

yes, rogues are squishy and you need to manage defensives well in addition to kiting to live where as most other melee get their passive tankiness

but you have such a wide range of offensive tools to make up for it and incredibly overtuned dmg currently

focus on trying to make the most efficient offensive trades as possible to achieve your kill windows faster, kite when you're realistically not achieving anything, and trade ur defensives well

[hollow girder]

then idk wtf i'm doing wrong but outside of setups i feel like my damage is nothing outside of cd's

[regal sable]

which mode are you playing? shuffle im guessing?

[storm belfry]

That’s like most classes in pvp

Literally all about trading CDs

And cc

Its all you hear the pvp community complain about

[hollow girder]

i mean not really, mage, warrior, dh, hunter, lock, druid all tend to have pretty high sustained dps

[hollow girder]

and yeah basically just shuffle

[storm belfry]

Mage is a wet noodle outside of CDs

[balmy condor]

:)

[storm belfry]

Out of all those you listed I’d say warrior and dh are probs the main ones w sustained damage. And Druid if it’s feral cause bleeds. But you could say the same thing about assa

[hollow girder]

talking frost mage atleast, don't feel like cd's are much of an issue for it

[storm belfry]

Sorry

You’re right

[strange python]

How come we can’t transmog outlaw rogue artifact weapon appearances as Assa rogue?

[regal sable]

because its a sword and you use daggers

[strange python]

That’s the only reason?

[regal sable]

yes

[strange python]

Ok great thanks

[unreal bear]

i got bullied into going sub because meta

very unfortunate

[uncut dragon]

can someone explain to me why sub is topping meta for M+? I've been monotasking with assassination but I've got decent daggers and could maybe switch, what's their niche?

[strange python]

Because Outlaw is a clunky spec since the unwarranted nerfs to FTH and Assa can’t perform in any AOE situations. That sort of… just leaves Sub

[uncut dragon]

Is it just shurrikan storm/black powder over and over?

[oak tangle]

Mostly but no

There is nuance to applying ruptures which requires positioning. And there is a strict order in dance

[versed mica]

outlaw
Clunky

You misspelled sub

[balmy condor]

outlaw got a gameplay change which ended up not really being a nerf, and then a bunch of streamers said it "feels bad" and swapped to sub cause sub aoe is good and everyone who can't form their own opinions jumped ship and followed the sirens call of flavor of the month

[serene fossil]

Just the CP gen from fth makes it feel less fluid

[versed mica]

Not this shit again

[serene fossil]

What whispyr said + sub is doing better in bigger pulls since uncapped meaning the bigger you can pull the better sub gets

[serene fossil]

Im an outlaw bro myself i dont mind the changes, i still play it when i want to, played it for all mythic progs&kills we did so far (5, dont attack me🥲)

[uncut dragon]

ya, I haven't done outlaw because I haven't gotten a decent weapon, so I've just run the AOE assassination build and been less that awesome on trash. but since sub is dagger I'd be willing to give it a shot if it was a big buff from assassination

[versed mica]

I guess I'll spare your life since I'm in a good mood lol

[serene fossil]

Play what you like, its good enough for sure ❤️

[unreal bear]

ok but lets be real

plenty of people arent playing sub the most optimal and doing totally fine