assassination

[gaunt moat]

huh. interesting.
so it's used more as clerk work than actual programming from what i understand?

[stuck knoll]

No they use urine

[vague wraith]

theres a reason excel sheets with a shitton of custom code take ages to start and nearly die everytime you do an intensive search action

[balmy condor]

The hands really help

[gusty mirage]

Makes sense tho, ronkles is pretty electric and he’s Irish

[subtle tundra]

Fuck off with physics

[vestal wren]

the hands explain how it works ^^

[uncut echo]

Seethe

[nocturne current]

Yeah mainly to automate tasks finance or analytics users would do on Excel. So you can code those to do it automatically in VB with a macro or a bot.

[vague wraith]

we say UIR in the netherlands a cow udder it is 😛

[gusty mirage]

@stuck knoll

[balmy condor]

What if my yogi said I’m really grounded though

[gusty mirage]

I believe the correct answer is Boston

[stuck knoll]

[vague wraith]

then you need to work on your flexibility obviously @balmy condor

[balmy condor]

My gf says that too

Wait

[vestal wren]

na, i did 5 years of electrical engineering and 2 years of networking shool

[stuck knoll]

Yeah it's boston

[balmy condor]

Your gf

[vague wraith]

my gf? you know more then I do?

lol

[subtle tundra]

Love yourself, last year was the last time I had physics. It's all maths now

[uncut echo]

I'm pretty down to earth too

[pastel onyx]

Ye he is already with ur future gf

[balmy condor]

Yeah it’s me hi

[uncut echo]

Dont seethe ily

[gusty mirage]

God bless, I wanted to be an electric engineer and then I looked into it and realized my brain does not work that way

[pastel onyx]

He uses his prophecy gift

Just like that

[vestal wren]

well i went to study computer science after

[uncut echo]

It takes one person to explain it the right eay

And it clicks

[gusty mirage]

So I studied easier numbers in finance and economics

[balmy condor]

That’s not what it means to be 4’3

[spice spire]

Deeny?

[uncut echo]

I'm 6'1

[subtle tundra]

Next year I'm getting my engineer diploma

[gusty mirage]

And then I ended up in law school

[pastel onyx]

Short people are more evil cu they are closer to Hell

[vestal wren]

i took some lectures on law in university

tbh law class was bis

[random fossil]

imagine being smart enough to study anything related to numbers

[subtle tundra]

Do you have an onlyfans

[balmy condor]

And I’m happy

[uncut echo]

There it is

[gaunt moat]

As a 5'6 I can attest to it being true 👿

[gusty mirage]

Once you realize you can slide through most legal questions with “it depends” you realize how bullshit it is

[vestal wren]

you had some blocked weeks and a short exam after and where done

[vague wraith]

thats why I limit myself to software engineering.. code only thinks in 0s and 1s anyways

[uncut echo]

Wanna see my drivers license

Bitch

[balmy condor]

Not really no

[uncut echo]

Fair

[gusty mirage]

You can lie on those wtf

[uncut echo]

Not in PA

[pastel onyx]

After analyzing all ur latest messages, I acwually do not agree with u

[uncut echo]

They literally measure you

[gusty mirage]

Bro my friend who’s 5’6” put 5’11 on his license

[magic vine]

slip them a 20

[uncut echo]

Based

[gusty mirage]

I never laughed so hard in my life

[uncut echo]

HAHAHAHA

[magic vine]

you'll be 5'11 no problem

[vague wraith]

you can give false height in netherlands to..

[balmy condor]

I knew a guy with the middle name “danger” and I didn’t believe him and he sent me a selfie with his bar license

[thorn fjord]

Good morning sinners

Damn Whispyr is still up

[vestal wren]

whats that in european units?

[vague wraith]

when your at the place they legit ask your height not measure it

[stuck knoll]

Please send an image of your credit card and the three little numbers on the back kk thanks babe toodles 💋

[thorn fjord]

Must have been a nice night

[uncut echo]

I got chu

[gusty mirage]

Kk

[gaunt moat]

5'6 is 167

[vague wraith]

I am 174cm or so but my ID says 178?

[random fossil]

smol

[balmy condor]

Credit cock and three little balls, best I can do

[gusty mirage]

Smol and less smol

[uncut echo]

I'm of the opinion measuring in centimeters is cringe

[stuck knoll]

I'm 185 but when people ask I tell them I'm 240

[pastel onyx]

What is 196 in ur weird measurement system

[random fossil]

id lie too if i were 167 tbh

[pastel onyx]

[uncut echo]

Y'all should measure in meters

[gaunt moat]

I'll still fuk yu up

[spice spire]

American L

[nocturne current]

I dropped out of college, was part of a exploit hacking group in mirc for hardware and software in the 2000's, got hired because of it for networking, worked for AT&T got depressed. Came back in analytics & proj management.

[pastel onyx]

I still used converter after a year in us

[slim wagon]

I'm 1.85 but my id says 1.86, scandalous I know

[pastel onyx]

[uncut echo]

This u?

[spice spire]

Yeah

[vague wraith]

wait.. you got a depressed and going into project management solved that how exactly?

[gusty mirage]

Some of us like smaller measurement units

[spice spire]

And? A religion gets me damn

[uncut echo]

Oh honey

[vague wraith]

isn't project management the most depressing job ever

[balmy condor]

That’s George, he’s a dog of jehova now

[uncut echo]

George is BIS

[thorn fjord]

Not when it pays well

[gaunt moat]

what, you don't like working 12 hours a day? 😄

[spice spire]

Nein

[nocturne current]

It's a big corporate compnay so I do mostly home office doing jack shit while getting paid for playing WoW.

[balmy condor]

Blessed be thy pup

[nocturne current]

[vague wraith]

I mean.. theres more jobs that pay well 😛

[uncut echo]

What kind of dog is george

[thorn fjord]

George is a monkey

[stuck knoll]

He's Quakes

[uncut echo]

He looks sheepdogish

[nocturne current]

Yeah, but I look at it of how much they pay me vs. what I actually have to work for it

[stuck knoll]

He's a MakeitQuake dog

[gusty mirage]

He’s clearly a dog? Are you stupid?

Floridians man

[gaunt moat]

can i have 5g?

[thorn fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/curious-george-wave-gif-25647946

[balmy condor]

My guild calls diurna a dog, because it has 4 legs and a tail

[thorn fjord]

That looks like a monkey to me

[uncut echo]

How is your morning friend

[stuck knoll]

When the cat ears come out do they also call you a dog?

[gusty mirage]

Your guild has also made many decisions this tier that puts their brains into question

[spice spire]

English shepherd mix

[uncut echo]

[gusty mirage]

@spice spire can you tell George I love him

[balmy condor]

Depends on which ears I’m putting on, what if I put on the bunny ears

[spice spire]

On it king. He licked me back

[gusty mirage]

[balmy condor]

Wait

[nocturne current]

But fuck I hated networking monitoring job, most boring ass shit ever. And it was 12 hour shifts at night.

[spice spire]

?

[balmy condor]

He licked you BACK?

[gusty mirage]

Wait this is going to be a juicer

[random fossil]

whys ravenholdt always popping off when im supposed to listen to a lecture

[balmy condor]

Why you licking George

[gusty mirage]

And there it is

[spice spire]

His response to that was to lick me

[vestal wren]

i can mute you if you want

[balmy condor]

HUH

[random fossil]

no pls i hate the lecture

[stuck knoll]

The reason I'm a mod is cuz I used discord instead of studying for finals

[gusty mirage]

This man is delusional at 6am

[spice spire]

You need sleep brethren

[balmy condor]

PETA is gonna be not happy about this

[uncut echo]

Communal #assassination nap

[spice spire]

Who’s peta?

[random fossil]

so theres a chance?

[gusty mirage]

The reason you’re a mod is because you’re a wonderful human being @stuck knoll

[spice spire]

Also ur not from jez stateS it’s pronounced Peter

[gusty mirage]

Can’t say the same for myself tho

[uncut echo]

Modding ravenholdt sounds lile the 8th circle of hell

[balmy condor]

You’re getting a peta these balls in your mouth

[thorn fjord]

checks and balances

[spice spire]

Brethren?

[stuck knoll]

[vague wraith]

ngl I do like working from home.. would never like to work at the office 40 hours a week 😛

[gusty mirage]

Ronkles truly the best of us

[balmy condor]

The secret is to be irritated about answering questions all the time

[nocturne current]

There was one time we had a network outage in india because a monkey went inside the data center and started pulling cables off the servers

[gusty mirage]

If I’m being mean tell ronkles or fuu

They actually care about you guys

Because I sure don’t

[nocturne current]

I might even have the picture of it

[balmy condor]

Idk if corporate would be happy calling those employees monkeys

[spice spire]

I’ll just tell you, ho.

[uncut echo]

That sounds miserable

[gusty mirage]

You can’t even figure out autocorrect, nerd

[peak bobcat]

Damn

[verbal mantle]

hllo, do we cast shvi on cd?

[peak bobcat]

Yes

[spice spire]

Autocorrect this papi

[verbal mantle]

thanks

[gray crest]

How much haste for outlaw

[gusty mirage]

No, you push N and click subtlety and click activate

[balmy condor]

Yes, but in French

[verbal mantle]

[peak bobcat]

The sad truth

[subtle tundra]

Fuck my right shoulder hurts 😭

[balmy condor]

Go to Jim

[gusty mirage]

Jim is the guy who threw out his shoulder

[thorn fjord]

Blew out

😉

[verbal mantle]

bag one ten happiness

[balmy condor]

Jim lift weights on broken shoulder

[gusty mirage]

Get your mind out of the gutter Miami boy

SMH

[subtle tundra]

It hurts from a fking arm day

[balmy condor]

Do a second arm day

[vague wraith]

and skip leg day

[balmy condor]

Your arms won’t see it coming

[gusty mirage]

Pain is weakness leaving the body insert gif of a body builder here

[uncut echo]

This is the #assassination i missed

[vestal wren]

don't skip leg day, its a trap

[gray crest]

https://tenor.com/view/wake-up-the-monster-son-of-frankenstein-boris-karloff-surprised-gif-18808962

[gusty mirage]

This is the only content we have left

https://tenor.com/view/embed-fail-gif-21166005

[balmy condor]

Lil bro just chillin

[spice spire]

Damn I’ve had a lot of weakness in my life

[vague wraith]

skip leg day and you look like this 😄

[spice spire]

Because existence is pain

[uncut echo]

:c

[thorn fjord]

ptsd flashbacks

[balmy condor]

He was cleared in like 5 pulls because his legs were stringy

[gusty mirage]

Assassination is the closest thing we have to old OT

[spice spire]

Skip leg day and look like this

[random fossil]

half my country had no electricity once because "an iguana ate a cable"

[spice spire]

Mf can’t even get out of a hole

[random fossil]

but this is better

[gusty mirage]

His giant donger keeps him stuck

[gray crest]

You know terros can't get out because of that dump truck he has

[spice spire]

Is ur guild okay

[exotic thunder]

got my stuff fixed ty :)

[gusty mirage]

No

We pulled raz with 19 people for an hour last night

We are not okay

[spice spire]

Oof

[vague wraith]

yikes

[vestal wren]

i think he skipped arms day too

[pastel onyx]

[gray crest]

Our dh got into an accident

[gusty mirage]

Good

Maybe he fel rushed into the other car

[spice spire]

No shot.
Those mfs blocking my view full time

[spice spire]

D:

[gusty mirage]

“Well I have to dash officer”

[vestal wren]

prepearing for boost runs, big money inc 🤑

[vague wraith]

playing momentum is dangerous

[gray crest]

The insurance company is going to review his claim for brain damage, see he plays a dh in wow, and mark is as a preexisting condition

[subtle tundra]

I might be terros

[vestal wren]

is your guild not using the glitter powder?

[gusty mirage]

[spice spire]

I’ve never used it in my life

(I’m built different)

(stupid)

[gusty mirage]

Quake enjoys meaty forearms

Proven

[nocturne current]

The most bizarre story was once a small outage on a shop where the root cause analysis was something like:

"The shop was robbed by sicillian mafia who drove a truck inside the shop taking the dial-up and router in the process"

[spice spire]

True

[thorn fjord]

One could argue that its lazy any not stupid @spice spire

[subtle tundra]

Meaty men

[spice spire]

I should call her

[thorn fjord]

I like that 50 cent song

[gusty mirage]

[uncut echo]

[balmy condor]

The Sicilian mafia using a secure dial up connection

[gusty mirage]

Jealousy is ugly on you boo

[thorn fjord]

This is a judge free zone

[subtle tundra]

If I were as confident with women as I am with men my life would be so easy

[balmy condor]

Maybe you’re just gay?

[subtle tundra]

NO

[thorn fjord]

Just stop seeing gender

[uncut echo]

How is that emote allowed

[gusty mirage]

Wdym

[thorn fjord]

Or go for chicks that look like dudes

[uncut echo]

I'm also the best top you ever met

[spice spire]

[gusty mirage]

What’s wrong with the emote?

[subtle tundra]

Fr tomboys hot af

[gusty mirage]

[thorn fjord]

Think she would prefer sonic on top

[nocturne current]

I was legit surprised when I found that in 2015 they still use dial-up as a backup access.

They plug in a dial-up directly to the console port of the router in case the WAN port fails. You can call in directly to the router.

[balmy condor]

Varas I need you to think about this

[thorn fjord]

He's not wrong

[gusty mirage]

Okay I got a better one for you @uncut echo

[thorn fjord]

I had a thing for tomboys 😛

[gusty mirage]

[spice spire]

Dear god

Why

[balmy condor]

[gusty mirage]

Or

Pick

[balmy condor]

[uncut echo]

[gusty mirage]

[gray crest]

[thorn fjord]

lololol

What an awful emoji

[random fossil]

what the ufkc

[gusty mirage]

I don’t claim Roujin as one of mine

[balmy condor]

Roujin you outta pocket for that

For real

[gusty mirage]

He’s disowned

[thorn fjord]

:3

[balmy condor]

He doesn’t get the next 424 dagger

[gray crest]

Lmao, my old guild has some degens

[gusty mirage]

No raenz does

[subtle tundra]

Idk if anyone remembers this but at one point I said I flexed my Rio to a girl

[vestal wren]

okay, i think thats enough offtopic assassination channel for me for today

[gusty mirage]

Just like he got spooned the CCT

[subtle tundra]

It was a tomboy

[balmy condor]

Oh good maybe he can parse green

[gusty mirage]

[spice spire]

What is happening

[thorn fjord]

We'll transition to OT soon.... always do lolol

[balmy condor]

Come back next time, we’ll still be depressed and sad and hate ourselves for playing this spec

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/big-trouble-if-i-speak-if-i-speak-i-am-in-big-trouble-speak-big-gif-23519858

[spice spire]

[thorn fjord]

Theres like 8 diff convo's going on rn

[spice spire]

I see that

[subtle tundra]

I'm my own offtopic

[thorn fjord]

You're a fish

[subtle tundra]

I have selfmonologues here

[uncut echo]

My coworker tried hitting on me when I was talking about wow once

Let me see if I can find the pasta

[gusty mirage]

I’m having more fun playing sub, which isn’t saying much, ama

[vestal wren]

nothing wrong with that

[vague wraith]

oh boy, I was friends with 2 girls back in college and they were playing wow on their laptops.. had like 8 guys staring through the window of the classroom

[balmy condor]

Fox had a monkey in the cables, varas is sore from arm day, oxi’s guilds rogue is trash, roujin outta pocket, ahri’s off the juice, fuu had enough

[gusty mirage]

There’s 3 of us

Which one of us is trash

[gray crest]

It me

[uncut echo]

Off the juice?

[balmy condor]

Find out next time on total drama island

[spice spire]

Off the goop*

[gusty mirage]

I would say same but then dadsen will yell at me

[uncut echo]

Whispyr still toasted when I told him about the chasers fr

[gusty mirage]

So I’ll just imply it with these statements

[spice spire]

Whispyr always toasted

[gusty mirage]

I want toast

[uncut echo]

Oxi I'll make you some toast

[spice spire]

I want strep to go away

[gusty mirage]

[uncut echo]

With a glass of mango orange juice

[gusty mirage]

Mango orange juice???

[gusty mirage]

Y’all be having multiple juices in one cup??

[marble hemlock]

strepbrother?

[vague wraith]

lol

[subtle tundra]

I did as well until I figured out the lack of variance in the rotation

[uncut echo]

LMAO

[spice spire]

Strep rogue actually

[vague wraith]

I cannot get myself to restart maplestory :<

I miss totems

[gusty mirage]

It’s almost as fun as the lack of talent choices

[subtle tundra]

Fuck yea

[gusty mirage]

30 spec points you move around 3

Insane design

[subtle tundra]

Sometimes I talent shadow dance to use it on dummies

Feel the variety

[uncut echo]

Delete our class tree and start over

[thorn fjord]

@uncut echo You ever get short dudes trying to mack it?

[gusty mirage]

The sub tree is the biggest piece of shit in world of warcraft and no one can convince me otherwise

[vestal wren]

i don't mind bad talent diversity if the options you have are good

[gray crest]

Sometimes I dream that nightstalker and lethality weren't bugged.

[balmy condor]

AND HERE COMES THE CLASS TREE WITH A STEEL CHAIR

[gusty mirage]

I’m about to reroll hunter

[uncut echo]

Ye they look like this

[gusty mirage]

Get fucked nerds

[uncut echo]

My first boyfriend was t4t and was 5'2

[vague wraith]

atleast they got somewhere 😛

[gray crest]

Just be sure to always run corrupting rage phial

[gusty mirage]

I mean digi runs it as MT

Should be fine right? Right?

[uncut echo]

He was my lil jetpack when we spooned

[vague wraith]

LOL

[marble hemlock]

are you a mutant ahri?

[gusty mirage]

Y’all having human contact?

[gray crest]

Is that how he got 2 r1s

[gusty mirage]

????

[thorn fjord]

Its just not finished but i think it has more potential than the others

[uncut echo]

I'm trans, I have superpowers

[gusty mirage]

That and he’s pretty damn good at prot pally

[marble hemlock]

!rtb gm+snc mute oxi 1hr

oh

[subtle tundra]

God damn king

[marble hemlock]

wrong channel

[gray crest]

True

[gusty mirage]

Wrong channel idiot

[thorn fjord]

Yeah but that was your first BF im sure you were short too

[marble hemlock]

:3

[balmy condor]

There’s a pandemic

[uncut echo]

I was 19

[thorn fjord]

Oh

NM lol

[uncut echo]

LMAO

[gusty mirage]

Fr. MFers acting like Covid never happened

[balmy condor]

Please keep all :3’s to #1080572530554835072 thanks

[spice spire]

I only started dating at 18

[uncut echo]

Neurodivergent transgirls aren't cream of the crop when dating

[marble hemlock]

no

[marble hemlock]

i meant like

[gusty mirage]

Okay, what’s my excuse then?

[marble hemlock]

in terms of height

you a mutant or?

[balmy condor]

That’s what YOU think

[marble hemlock]

everything > 180 = mutant

[thorn fjord]

People in general are just lame

[uncut echo]

Oh, i see

Nah my family is tall as shit

[subtle tundra]

Thanks

[balmy condor]

Aren’t you like 183

[spice spire]

I’m a mutant ig

[thorn fjord]

She still tall af

[subtle tundra]

Made me feel good about my height

[marble hemlock]

bro? im 172

[vestal wren]

subtelty has perfect diversity, each of the nodes is played.
the tree:

[gusty mirage]

I’m a straight dude and I lack the emotional intelligence to build a connection with another human being

[little light]

wolverine is a mutant and he is short explain that

[spice spire]

Please DO NOT announce to the server when You are going to :3 in #1080572530554835072 .This has been a reoccurring issue, and I'm not sure why some people have such under developed social skills that they think that a server full of mostly male strangers would need to know that. No one is going to be impressed and give you a high five (especially considering what emotes you've been using). I don't want to add this to the rules, since it would be embarrassing for new users to see that we have a problem with this, but it is going to be enforced as a rule from now on.

[subtle tundra]

Awww huggable height

[marble hemlock]

you built a connection with me

unless i just imagined that

[balmy condor]

oh

[uncut echo]

That's like right in the titties height

W

[thorn fjord]

but you've built connections with all of us

[marble hemlock]

so you are a mutant

[gusty mirage]

Yeah the tree looks fine when you delete the entire left side

[marble hemlock]

cause thatd mean youre like

close to 2m tall

[gusty mirage]

I ain’t tryin to sleep next to you tho

[thorn fjord]

I wouldnt either

i get random boners

[marble hemlock]

you trying to sleep next to me tho, dont ya?

[balmy condor]

My gf is 174, how does that make you feel

[marble hemlock]

sleeping next to oxi your boner wouldnt be random

[uncut echo]

Skirts are based for that

[vague wraith]

about as tall as your gf.

[marble hemlock]

makes me feel like i didnt ask

[balmy condor]

Damn

I did though

[thorn fjord]

ya'll are talking CMs right not weight?

[marble hemlock]

idk

[subtle tundra]

Man I've been feeling so fking hot lately

[spice spire]

I asked

[marble hemlock]

why are people so hung up on height?

[spice spire]

Yes

[balmy condor]

Yes

[thorn fjord]

The media

[spice spire]

I literally cannot be fucked with height

[balmy condor]

Important cuddling hierarchy

[thorn fjord]

I'm tall for a hispanic so we gucci

[marble hemlock]

note to self: quake can only be fucked with width

[subtle tundra]

Every person with insecurities should go to the gym, it makes you feel so good

[marble hemlock]

he likes it girthy

[vestal wren]

maybe turn down the heater then

[uncut echo]

[spice spire]

Seli off the goop fr

[uncut echo]

Lowkey me, everyone I date gains like 30-40lbs

[thorn fjord]

GIRTH!

[marble hemlock]

you said it, not me

[balmy condor]

Quake can’t be fucked with height; he is 2 dimensional

[spice spire]

Bro there are more important things

[subtle tundra]

It's cause I've stopped playing m+

[uncut echo]

Flatlander King

[marble hemlock]

since you used the word "literally" i took it, well, literally

[spice spire]

Though, I definitely have a type when it comes to women. So maybe?

[marble hemlock]

if you wouldve said "i figuratively cannot be fucked with height" it wouldve made sense

[uncut echo]

What's your type?

[vestal wren]

now image how you feel if you stopped playing wow 👀

[balmy condor]

3 dimensional to compliment your 2 dimensionality?

[thorn fjord]

Big titty bitches

[marble hemlock]

just like all his friends are 2d

[subtle tundra]

I told myself I will when I get a gf

[spice spire]

[spice spire]

Real

[subtle tundra]

So I'll keep raiding

[marble hemlock]

i mean

[uncut echo]

I'm married I'm just mega curious

[marble hemlock]

we all ahve a type, lets be real

[balmy condor]

:3

[uncut echo]

I'm all about ass tbh

[subtle tundra]

A short hair girl makes me stare

[thorn fjord]

I love me a good booty

[uncut echo]

:3

[thorn fjord]

But titties are titties and they are gods gift to man

[marble hemlock]

brown/reddish hair, some slight freckles maybe, b cups...

[uncut echo]

POP OFF SELI

[vague wraith]

I am very simple. A girl that can appreciate some good death metal 😛

[subtle tundra]

Goddamn if I posted my butt here I'd get a following

[balmy condor]

So, Irish

[vestal wren]

or 👀 ?

[thorn fjord]

I'm in to ghetto girls

i LOVE that shit

[marble hemlock]

nah im not into druids

[thorn fjord]

Be rude to me PLEASE

[uncut echo]

https://open.spotify.com/track/6rLEeo9rNT87t2xHry8xUl?si=B0I_RCVCT72ybOCTwGAefA

[spice spire]

Brunette/redhead - generally shorter it’s gone from 5’2 to 5’9. Longhair. Uh. I’ve had girls with both sides of the argument, let’s put it that way

[uncut echo]

[uncut echo]

Red goes wild

[marble hemlock]

wanna date my ex? her hair went down to her knees

[balmy condor]

The whole convo is

[uncut echo]

Man shut up

[spice spire]

Not that long brubby

[uncut echo]

Let it ride

[vague wraith]

heck ye @uncut echo

[marble hemlock]

oh oke

[subtle tundra]

Both for an indefinite amount of time

[balmy condor]

You’re always so irritated

[vague wraith]

I hate all the fucking girls who come in your life and tell you listen to shit music 😛 they can all fuck off

[uncut echo]

Ye I'm practicing for mod, following your advice

[marble hemlock]

why?

[balmy condor]

I would know, I’ve been lurking in your walls

[uncut echo]

IM IN YOUR WALLS

[spice spire]

Man’s dated one girl (I actually don’t know if this is true, just know it’s been a while) and thinks it’s weird Smdh

[vague wraith]

because they force me to stop listening that music or play it on my guitar selia

[subtle tundra]

Both men I have kissed have good taste in music, hopefully the first girl will have the same

Though I don't listen to music unless someone puts it

[marble hemlock]

no i mean, why do you think anyone asked about this shit take

[balmy condor]

English, English, Mexican

[spice spire]

One of those won

[vague wraith]

does it matter? O.o this chat is random af anyways

you seem to care a lot about that stuff man

[spice spire]

Seli grumpy men

[uncut echo]

Sin chat is cursed

[marble hemlock]

nah its just

a weird statement to make

[subtle tundra]

We used to have these convos between gcds but blizz hates us

[balmy condor]

Multiple men?

[marble hemlock]

from someone who says "ill only fuck with girls who can appreciate the music i like"

[spice spire]

Yes he is

[vague wraith]

that is not what I said though'

[balmy condor]

How’d that work

[marble hemlock]

im too much man for quake so he has to pretend im multiple

[spice spire]

This mf in my walls

[balmy condor]

Is it nova + seli

Like a 2.5 men type thing

[thorn fjord]

Tiger blood?

[spice spire]

Yeah Charlie sheen is there too.

[balmy condor]

Love that guy

[marble hemlock]

tbf i was born in the year of the dragon so

[thorn fjord]

He loves hookers and blow

[thorn fjord]

So DF favorite expansion confirmed?

[marble hemlock]

http://puu.sh/JAAmq/38d8127c17.png

you tell me

[spice spire]

Nah he’s a DN fan

[vestal wren]

DF is overhyped

like, its not a bad xpac so far

wouldn't say it beats legion tho

[thorn fjord]

I agree there’s literally nothing to do on your main at this point and we’re only 3 months in

[marble hemlock]

release legion was beyond dogshit

idk what fel-green-colored-glasses people are wearing

[vestal wren]

legion had a lot of mistakes, but a shitton of content

[marble hemlock]

when they say legion was good expac

[vestal wren]

early on

[thorn fjord]

Legion had a lot to do

[vestal wren]

the good thing about legion is the lessons learned

[marble hemlock]

did it?

what did it have early on

other than

worldquests, m+ and raid

[vestal wren]

but legion overall was good once they fixed the initial problems

[marble hemlock]

what do we have now? oh yeah, worldquests, m+ and raid

at least we have invasions and shit now too

[little light]

in retrospective you see the failures of Legion, but when it launched it was fun

[marble hemlock]

game is infinitely more alt friendly than legion on release

[little light]

I remember having a good time

[marble hemlock]

yeah, had a lot of fun getting sephuz and cinidaria as my first 2 legendaries

[thorn fjord]

I got duskwalkers as my first 🙂

[little light]

well if you can only laser focus on bis gear then surely not

xD

[marble hemlock]

i mean

im still waiting for the explanation of "it had more content on release than DF"

cause idk what the fuck people are talking about

[little light]

I know what you mean but the general experience of it was that the whole lore and stuff was fun to be part of and play

[thorn fjord]

I really enjoyed legion… it was the first expansion where I started mythic raiding

[exotic thunder]

i swear ill rock that clown tmog forever

[vestal wren]

legion had the artifact challanges, surramar, order hall stuff, mythic plus (as a new system), worldquests (as a new system), the artifact weapon

[marble hemlock]

sooo

[vestal wren]

biggets issue of legion early on was:

• ap grind
• legendary aquisition

[thorn fjord]

Ap grind wasn’t even THAT bad

[vestal wren]

and classes that needed iteration

[thorn fjord]

But leggo acquisition was rough

[marble hemlock]

all the same shit df has, other than, ya know, the stuff that wasnt even in the game on release in legion?

[little light]

The problem is the design direction took a turn at the end, like whole Argus was a signal of the shit to come

[subtle tundra]

I miss torghast...

[little light]

Torghast its still a fun idea

[vestal wren]

huh, what did i mention that wasn't in

[marble hemlock]

artifact challenges?

[subtle tundra]

Soloing torghast at the start of the expac as a rogue was actually challenging

[thorn fjord]

I absolutely hated torghast

[marble hemlock]

or do you mean the

shitty ones

[vestal wren]

artifact weapon challange was in?

[marble hemlock]

for the weapon stuff

that were literally

[little light]

cause they made it a required chore

[marble hemlock]

"hope for a lootable object in the goblin vault"

[thorn fjord]

Oof remember them 1 item vaults

[marble hemlock]

big content

[vestal wren]

i mean the artifact weapon aqusition questline

[little light]

Cool thing about the artifact was the fantasy and the mogs, nobody liked the other stuff

xD

[marble hemlock]

how is that early expac content? thats leveling. did DF not have leveling and scenarios during it?

[vestal wren]

but cosmetic unlocks etc are also a good point i did like that a lot

[marble hemlock]

we had one scenario

in throne of thunder

for the sub artifact appearance

that was neat

[little light]

You just trying to push a personal narrow idea into an actual narrative and it aint working xd

[thorn fjord]

We ran exsang in en 😑

[vestal wren]

for me the biggest issue of legion was how hessitant blizz was to make legendary items easy to aquire

[marble hemlock]

people are cracked if they say that legion had more content on release than df

[thorn fjord]

We didn’t get the ez Lego’s till tomb right?

[little light]

they were just firing in all directions but they didnt have a baseline design philosophy

[marble hemlock]

so much content that everybody just spent 16hrs a day farming maw of souls

[little light]

they found a philosophy for BFA problem is it was garbage

[vestal wren]

i think its diffrent

legion had a lot more new systems that are now baseline

[little light]

but you felt like in legion at least they were willing to try some "diferent" stuff I think thats why we all have a good memory of it cause there was "new" things

not necesarily good things

[marble hemlock]

and how does that make it "more" content?

[raven kiln]

Legion's first patch was WAY worse than DF. IT was worse than BFA and SL as well, the difference is they had 7.05 announced before launch and the time to get there was quick when compared with BFA and SL.

[little light]

dont think its about quantifying content, Shadowlands had a lot of stuff you could do, it was just mind blogingly boring

like covenant activities

[marble hemlock]

how is it not about quantifying content when the argument is "legion had more content on release than df"?

[little light]

you die on that hill sir

xd

[subtle tundra]

I still can't tell you what a venthyr party is

[raven kiln]

Legion eventually became amazing though. By the last patch they had greatly improved everything.

[marble hemlock]

ye

i loved legion. its my fav expansion of the last 10 years

[subtle tundra]

Or wtf farming for nf was

[thorn fjord]

Ever see the movie Lost Boys?

[marble hemlock]

but saying it had a lot to do on release is just... idk

[thorn fjord]

Thats a venthyr party

[little light]

I wish venthyr was something like the Lost Boys

like a big ass sexy sax guy playing

[vestal wren]

one thing i hope blizz gets right in DF is release cycle

[marble hemlock]

it added a lot of shit each patch, which is what made it great

[vestal wren]

because SL was terribly slow in content release timing

[marble hemlock]

brawlers guild, new zones, new features etc.

[gusty mirage]

Buff BM hunter

[marble hemlock]

mage tower

[raven kiln]

Seems way better than BFA or SL so far.

[marble hemlock]

just lots of good stuff

but legion release was atrocious, and im not even talking legendaries here. it was just WQ and M+ spam

[raven kiln]

And those patches came roughly every two months meaning the game never got boring for average players.

[marble hemlock]

ye

patch cadence was top tier

[raven kiln]

Legendaries in Legion were also a huge issue.

[marble hemlock]

and each patch had somethign new to discover, it wasnt just "lets put out a patch and its all balance tuning"

[raven kiln]

And alt friendliness

[little light]

DF patches do look like dread already

too much stink of this seasonal lobby game model

[raven kiln]

You basically could not swap mains but the legendaries made some people need to. You effectively set months behind if your legendaries didn't drop.

[marble hemlock]

SL and DF are both vastly better games on release than legion or WoD. the problem is that they seem to not be able to put out new content fast enough after the initial release

[raven kiln]

Optimal first patch legion was to level and gear 10 alts of the same spec and hope one gets the good legendary.

[little light]

dont think I can agree on SL release not sure what is to redeem there

BFA maybe

[marble hemlock]

it actually had a lot of content

[thorn fjord]

Yeah but a lot of that content sucked lol

[little light]

there argument would be there if chores count as content

[marble hemlock]

they do

?

[jade abyss]

Legion mythic emerald nightmare was cleared in the first id and my main his bis legendary was the last one that was dropped for him

[marble hemlock]

people cite suramar as content for legion, then the maw counts just as well

like

[little light]

technically SL had content, that nobody was engaged or entertained by

[marble hemlock]

just because you personally didnt like it, doesnt mean it wasnt content that many people enjoyed, and that gave you smth to do

[pastel onyx]

watching 24/7 islands farm from wfr participants was peak content in bfa

[little light]

Wasnt a personal thing I'm sure xd

[marble hemlock]

yeah, im sure you speak for every player

[jade abyss]

And suramar sucks it is the beautist city they had blizz ever create but that zone was shit af

[little light]

I dont speak for every player but we talking general experience here

[raven kiln]

I liked first patch story in SL, I liked SL m+ a lot. Castle Nathria is one of the best raids since legion. The Maw sucked, torghast, and World Quests, all sucked.

[little light]

most people was vocal about SL being "bad"

I personally liked Torghast, until I got sick of it

[marble hemlock]

so what data are you using to generalize player experience and state that certain content isnt content cuz it was a "chore"?

[little light]

What data are you using

[raven kiln]

Torghast was eventually improved, but the first patch was really really bad. It saw massive changes over its life.

[marble hemlock]

im saying that the maw and torghast were content. they existed.

[little light]

What I said is that would be an argument to make

not a statement :p

[marble hemlock]

im not the one making up statements like "it was a chore and therefore it doesnt count as content"

[little light]

I said that would be something to discuss

dont be so triggered xd

[raven kiln]

IMO torghast as a system is a really really good system but its execution was massively flawed.

[marble hemlock]

its a travesty they never did more with torghast

couldve been so good

[raven kiln]

Huge missed opportunity

[little light]

the problem is the made it a requirement for legos in the very last minute

cause they were too scared nobody would go there

[pastel onyx]

rogue like wow

[marble hemlock]

yeah, theres a reason most other mmos or even mobile games have an "infinite tower" kind of system that gives regular rewards and stuff

[raven kiln]

This was actually confirmed why they changed this in the preach interview.

[marble hemlock]

they just needed to do more with it, but instead they just spent all design time and effort on korthia/whatsitsname in sepulcher

[raven kiln]

Honestly they should have put a ton of transmog people wanted in there.

[little light]

yeah, they've mentioned it before also

[marble hemlock]

nah like

torghast couldve been a great way

to alleviate some of the issues

[exotic thunder]

choregast 💀

[marble hemlock]

that people complained about

[jade abyss]

Zereth Mortis :x

[marble hemlock]

twisted corridors in particular

[exotic thunder]

ppl who like choregast are ppl who couldnt make it in pvp or other pve content

💀

[vestal wren]

bfa had warfronts an isalnds too

[little light]

I think I got bored of Zereth Mortis faster than I did of Torghast

and it wasnt a bad zone but

just same old same old

[vestal wren]

the diffrence between legion and other xpacs can come down to how well the new systems worked

[marble hemlock]

imagine a torghast where you fight brawlers-guild level bosses instead of the stupid shit they had in there instead, where reaching every 5 or 10 levels would give you some shit. reach level 10, get a bunch of flasks. reach level 20, get a bunch of crafting mats. reach highest level, get a legendary crafting base of your choice.

[thorn fjord]

Damn why are servers down?

[exotic thunder]

Imagine spending money on this which is exactly what blizzard tries to avoid

🥺

[marble hemlock]

[jade abyss]

Would be better than this legendary bases that costs millions bcs ppl want so..

[little light]

The fun thing is the had a kinda better gearing system on Visions in BFA (tho getting the currency to run them was dreadful) than in Torghast

[exotic thunder]

they dont like to spend money

bobby greedy son of a bitch 💀

[little light]

and Torghast was supposed to be an evolution from Visions/Nightmares whatever the name was of that thing

[marble hemlock]

you couldve had fixed seed runs in torghast where everybody had the same layout, ilvl, talent setup, same anima powers from mobs etc. with a leaderboard for who was fastest.

similar to challenge rifts from d3

[raven kiln]

Sorta

[marble hemlock]

give out some transmog and titles for it

[little light]

if they iterated on things instead of scrapping every time

[raven kiln]

Torghast was based on Hades primarily, it was a replacment for the mage tower/Visions.

[marble hemlock]

theres just so much you can do with the base concept but

they just didnt

[jade abyss]

Better balance between anima class powers when i remember right, resto shaman was broken af in torghast

[spice spire]

Boomer talk

[little light]

makes sense, Hades is fun tho cause the drive is kinda the gameplay loop is fun

[exotic thunder]

If they have main pve content like raiding and m+ the other content should either be a wel thought out addition to stay or something the casual playerbase can hop into without problems imo

[little light]

and then you realize there is a gear/unlock progression well ingrained in it

[exotic thunder]

but they are incompetent

[raven kiln]

Unfortunately they completely bastardized the hades format.

[exotic thunder]

gotta fill the void 💀

[marble hemlock]

ye, im sure the feature that was in development since 2017/2018 was based on a game that didnt come out until december 2018

[vestal wren]

isn't that basically wow dev in a nutshell

[marble hemlock]

yep

instead of iterating on good core concepts, theyre scrapped

warfronts, islands, torghast

[vestal wren]

they always have very ambitious ideas but do a fairly surface level implementation and then fail to update/iterate on it

[raven kiln]

Hades has been around far longer than 2018, it was Super Giants first early access game

[gaunt moat]

did you watch the preach interview with ion?

[marble hemlock]

games like that existed for much longer than hades

[little light]

even so Hades also kinda of a genre evolution too

the concept is just rogue like

but Hades is one of the best versions of that

[vestal wren]

hades took a lot of iteration to work and that with a experienced team

[raven kiln]

Right but it was reported that was the primary influence.

[vestal wren]

roguelikes are hard

no way blizz would ace it first try

[raven kiln]

Also Super Giant is one of the best in the industry

[thorn fjord]

Look how bad the scuffed their moba lol

[little light]

exactly, but since they dont iterate on stuff they just fail everytime, like warfronts and island expeditions are not that bad ideas

[marble hemlock]

like, i was super looking forward to warfronts. imagine pvp warfronts with some actual defensive/building aspect. have some people gather materials, build some fortifications/upgrade your NPCs, then coordinate an attack on a spot. make it like a mini AV that lasts ~90-120minutes

[raven kiln]

Heroes of the Storm was really fun. . .

[vestal wren]

i mean just a very obviouse example

[gaunt moat]

@vestal wren was torghast supposed to be a roguelike?

[little light]

I was so hyped for Island expeditions, in my innocent mind I thought we would be like actually sailing a boat to some island and stuff xd

[gusty mirage]

Rip hots

[exotic thunder]

yeah cos the only point of it all is for them to get a quick buck or surge in players xd every change after release is just bandaids with no intention

[vestal wren]

we are now in a xpac where you find fossils and artifacts, yet we don't even have archeology

[exotic thunder]

Maybe rare exceptions

[marble hemlock]

i doubt it

[little light]

You know why we dont have archeology, becasue probably some shit internal metric they've self produced says that people dont interact with archeology- even tho they've killed it by not continuing it

[vestal wren]

i don't think it is about quick bucks at all

it is rather that iterating on systems takes a lot of effort

[marble hemlock]

i dont think they looked at games like slay the spire/isaac or some of the older roguelikes for inspiration.

[vestal wren]

and you can just not spend money on that problem

[gaunt moat]

@marble hemlock (i didn't play SL, i really don't know what torghast is about)

[marble hemlock]

its just a very standard "tower" feature that you have in every asian MMO or mobile game

[exotic thunder]

All we can do is wonder but we both know they are capable of both if they want

so idk

[raven kiln]

I mean its good marketing to have a big new system every expac. Stuff like Warfronts, island expiditions, and Torghast look really good for marketing. I just wish they had iterated these fast enough to make them up to player expectations.

[marble hemlock]

with some per-run upgrades, some meta upgrades that were permanent, and then youd basically run it twice each week for your legendary crafting material that had a weekly cap

[vestal wren]

i think it would have been a lot more popular if we didn't need to spend a lot of time in it

[gaunt moat]

could you finish it without the meta upgrades?

[vestal wren]

forced content just isn't that appealing

[marble hemlock]

yeah ofc

its basically

rogue legacy

in a sense

[raven kiln]

If it were a proper rougelike experience you wouldn't "Need to" you would want to spend a lot of time in there.

[marble hemlock]

only you got your meta upgrades not after dying but simply

on a per-week basis

[vestal wren]

if everyone needed to do the mage tower for months, it would have been annoying asf

[marble hemlock]

was a "finish 2 runs, never enter it again" kind of deal

but then again, people use the term "roguelike" for games that arent roguelike these days so

its kind of a wash

[gaunt moat]

if it was doable from first go, imo it takes away from roguelike expirence.
you kinda want to have a challange that you work-up to, and not just make infinitely easier

[vestal wren]

this is what i was saying earlier, it is extremely hard to create such a system

[marble hemlock]

its actually the opposite. roguelikes start at zero every new run. if you have an overarching meta upgrade system like in rogue legacy, youd call it a rogue-lite instead

which is what torghast, or visions, were

[low girder]

And yet blizzard in their own preview used the wrong term

[vestal wren]

i liked visions early on tbh

[marble hemlock]

well yeah, cause the term has been butchered by many game releases over the last 5-10years

[vestal wren]

but the requirement to do them every week did kill the fun for me

[low girder]

Ye

[gaunt moat]

you're right, but roguelike and rogue-lite are used to describe the same thing these days, which is rogue-lite. more common to just call it roguelike

[marble hemlock]

not really

theres still proepr roguelikes coming out regularly

[raven kiln]

Everyone knows what you mean when you say Rougelike.

[marble hemlock]

and we have old roguelikes like adom getting steam releases

[marble hemlock]

actually no. people would consider games i just mentioned as roguelikes, even though they arent

theres an official designation called the "berlin interpretation" that people agreed on in 2008 at the roguelike convention

that has 8 key characteristics that need to be met for it to be considered a true "roguelike"

[gaunt moat]

from my expirence, most people don't use rogue-lite to refer to these games. but feel free to disagree 😂
anyway it's not important.
if you wanna nit pick, then i was talking about the challanges of rogue-lite

[marble hemlock]

http://puu.sh/JAAtX/6fba78dce2.png

if youre interested in it

[thorn fjord]

lololol

I thought you were trolling

How is this actually a thing

[gaunt moat]

I'm not disagreeing, i'm just saying what's colloquially used to refer to it 😬

[marble hemlock]

yeah ofc

[marble hemlock]

because when a different type of game that has some key differences in how it approaches game design co-opts the term youve used for your game genre for 15+ years, you might get annoyed with it and try to define the genre in a way that separates the two kinds of genres

[thorn fjord]

makes sense

Just kind of funny

[marble hemlock]

i know

[gaunt moat]

trust me i'm a big ROGUE-LITE enthusiast

[marble hemlock]

anyway, to get back to torghast, its basically an amazing idea, and the best new feature the game has had in a long-ass time. even better than mage tower, imo

but they just didnt do anything with it, which makes me very very sad

i hope they bring it back in some way, shape or form

[jade abyss]

Any hypers here for elden ring dlc :0

[vestal wren]

funny enough, isaac started as a free flash game

[gaunt moat]

Every time I hear people talking about Torghast its used as a negative example
why did people not like it?

[vestal wren]

i did re-create a isaac like game in a lecture in university, was fun

[gaunt moat]

awesome 😮

[onyx linden]

So is corrupting rage worth using? I've been using it, but just noticed the text on it that says "instead" so once you take a bunch of damage you lose the crit buff? I hadn't been paying attention to see if I was just taking extra damage or actually losing the flask effect

[gaunt moat]

isaac is my favorite game

[thorn fjord]

i wouldnt use it on prog

Theyre also still pretty taxed

[gaunt moat]

I actually made an app for the card game 4souls that scans cards by using the camera and reads them outloud even. wanna see?

[vestal wren]

i worked with a team, i did the programming but would have loved to do the art

[onyx linden]

Yeah I have full decayology, so the drawback dmg isn't as bad. I still don't die

[vestal wren]

the level creation of isaac is actually quite nice, it is not as complex as i assumed

[wary ice]

i would like a torghast version of the mage tower - no power rewards tied to it just a challenge mode for single player with some kinda cosmetic reward punch card

i agree on paper that shit was awesome

the execution of it was ass tho

[marble hemlock]

i think for that, they should just stick with brawlers guild

[wary ice]

tying it to the legendary system kept it from being interesting in anyway

[marble hemlock]

personally id like to see a hybrid of proving grounds, brawlers guild and torghast

that has some permanent one-time rewards that affect your actual character progression

[nocturne current]

Yeah I love randomly generated stuff

[marble hemlock]

and then has replayability through weekly resets with small rewards or cosmetics etc. tied to it

[nocturne current]

I was quite excited for Torghast how they made it look like it was procedurally generated but.. sadge

[gaunt moat]

No one wants to see 🥲

[vestal wren]

torghast had a lot of issues, hence it is not liked.
for me personally:

• powers did not change gameplay
• stages did repeat, they opted to have the same layout instead of procedurally generated stages
• affixes did often annoy more than they solved
• you had a high time investment in it "forced", hence you went in with a different mindset

[nocturne current]

There is a nice one for Android called Pixel Dungeon

[vestal wren]

they sadly didn't iterate on it in SL, not sure why it seemed like a easy "win" for them

[wary ice]

I think they wanted to

then covid

then cosby

SL wasnt exactly the best time for blizzard internally

[vestal wren]

covid def. played a role

but blizz already struggled with release cycles in bfa

[nocturne current]

But wasn't Covid already Dragonflight development?

[gaunt moat]

@vestal wren I wanted to show you cool stuff i made why are you ignoring me 🥲

[vestal wren]

and we don't know if DF goes back down to Legion like release cycles

looking at the "now" it does not seem like it

[wary ice]

you cant iterate a system without getting feedback

so even if covid was in dflight development

[nocturne current]

Ah yes you're right

[vestal wren]

sry, please show me

[nocturne current]

You would need live feedback ye

[vestal wren]

nice

[thorn fjord]

Thats actually pretty cool

[gaunt moat]

it was a prototype, was made to play with friends
and they got annoyed i had to press button to make the sounds

so i made it scan cards

[nocturne current]

That is pretty cool indeed dude, I wish we could do that with MTGA cards to be honest.

[thorn fjord]

Prob could

[vestal wren]

you probably can

[gaunt moat]

The framework I used and adjusted could be expanded for everything and anything

[wary ice]

im so old i read that as MTA not MTG

I was like "why do you want it to read your metro card"

[gaunt moat]

Basically: I made a database of images. the camera scans for a similar image -> activate sound

[vestal wren]

you can easily use a ocr library and get the card name to use for either voice output or whatever

[nocturne current]

No idea how they would solve the issue of people just scanning the same card, but some unique ID of a printed card yeah.

It sucks to have the real card and not the digital one

[vestal wren]

oh its image recognition, i assumed its ocr

[wary ice]

QR codes would resolve that but then they'd have to be ok with printing qr codes on their card

[vestal wren]

(ocr = optical character recognition = "extract text from image")

[gaunt moat]

I don't remember the framework's name, but yes it was AR and image recognition framework for unity.

you know what was the hardest part?
i wanted the camera to turn on automatically when picked up and turn off when sat on table (not moving)

challange: guess why it was hard to turn it off when put on table and not moving it

[nocturne current]

For a school project its actually pretty impressive how far tech has come

[vestal wren]

python opened a lot of doors

[gaunt moat]

any guessers?

[vestal wren]

you can basically do a lot of advanced stuff with pre build libraries

in few lines of code

[nocturne current]

Yeah I'm sad python wasn't a thing back when I learned it, I had to learn super outdated stuff like.. Pascal and Assembly

It's good to learn it's low level, but sucks on libraries

[vestal wren]

i think i am at the point i can in theory use any languarge

[gaunt moat]

no guessers.
okay i'll tell you anyway 😤

[nocturne current]

Yeah as long as you learn the syntax yea

[vestal wren]

c++ might be my weak side because of pointer arithmetic that i never used enough to be comfortable with

and all the "special cases" you need to know to not footgun yourself

[gaunt moat]

I used phone gyro to measure movement.
simple enough to detect movement.
but when you want to detect no-movement? problem.
why?
Cause the earth is in constant motion, so there's MINISCULE movement detected in your phone's gyro

[nocturne current]

Only downside I see now from the ultra do-everything libraries nowadays is just that I see a lot of my friends aren't really trained to optimize code as I had learned it. RAM or cpu cycles isnt a big issue so the algorithmic logic behind it just goes bananas sometimes.

[onyx linden]

shit just tested it. COrrupting rage does lose the crit buff.

[vestal wren]

its basically a side effect of the current trend of fast prototyping

[nocturne current]

Yeah, on the other hand tho you get much faster products out

[toxic burrow]

Went back to my 6:16 M Terros log. We have 8 ranged dps doing between 42-55k DPS. Sheeesh.

[vestal wren]

but also keep in mind most of the python libs used are written in c and get optimized, so it isn't that bad

[nocturne current]

yeah true

[onyx linden]

that means last night on mythic terros I lost my flask for 33.21% of the fight. That sucks

[gaunt moat]

You also have better optimization measuring tools these days.

[vestal wren]

55k is kinda the minimum you should do on it

everything below should be

(on mythic)

[nocturne current]

I was literally going to say that dude, I don't code for ages but I'm pretty sure the debugging tools must do magic nowadays compared to our "line 52 float error" only output we would get ahah.

Damn, our compilers were sad now that I think about.

[gaunt moat]

Like, in Unity, it can tell you exactly how long in ms a line of code took to execute.

anyway, i'm gonna take a shower 👋🏻

[verbal mantle]

[nocturne current]

This sub took a holiday for off-topic today haha

[vestal wren]

as long as its not the norm

but there is not much happening atm, so its fine to go a bit offtopic sometimes

[jade abyss]

Delete exsang so thats enough sin talk for today

[vestal wren]

btw. i rly liked the discussion yesterday

assassination is probably the best spec for sepsis

yet it is the only spec that talks about removing it

neither sub/outlaw like it but its not rly a common topic

[jade abyss]

Sepsis is a very boring skill in my opinion ^^

[thorny pond]

If Sepsis window had any interaction with the rotation aside from a free ability, that'd be neat. Like if it amped from Shiv or had any extra juice to it, that'd be cool

[thorn fjord]

Sepsis again?

How does this keep happening

[vestal wren]

you can blame me

[thorn fjord]

🤣🤣

[thorny pond]

https://tenor.com/view/how-could-this-happen-to-me-i-made-my-mistakes-simple-plan-untitled-untitled-simple-plan-gif-4632349

[thorn fjord]

They need to add obedience to the sub tree @vestal wren

[thorny pond]

They need to add slaughter to sub tree

[jade abyss]

I would enjoy the mastery flag in the sin tree :x

[thorn fjord]

Or replace clarity with unity 👀

[vestal wren]

and TO for the assassination tree?

[thorn fjord]

What’s TO?

[jade abyss]

I wasnt like the snappshotting stuff with flafg in sl but thats not possible with mastery right?

[vestal wren]

obedience basically did add cdr to flag

and a additional stat buff

[thorny pond]

Move KB to AP shared node, add Sinister Concoctions please

[thorn fjord]

Reduced cd and gave verse

Damn I think I’m on to something

Replace RC with unity

[thorny pond]

Are you quasimodo or something?

[thorn fjord]

i dont get it

[thorny pond]

check DMs

[gaunt moat]

Honestly, as someone who never tried sepsis, I thought that the changes they made to it were gonna make it really good.
extra empowered garrotes sounds good.
I'm surprised it isn't

[jade abyss]

The garrote from sepsis count as improved?

[gaunt moat]

it's not?
sepsis says that it make an ability count as from stealth

[jade abyss]

Idk tbh never played sepsis as sin since castle nathria x)

[vestal wren]

sepsis was early on assumed to be best

in s3

[jade abyss]

But 1 improved garrote every 2 minutes is the cd? Sound not so strong 🤔

[vestal wren]

the exsang like tier effect with flag did after that make venthyr take over

[gaunt moat]

(Also, the ability has way too much text)

[vestal wren]

sepsis iirc works with the mastery

so its not terrible

[jade abyss]

Give the specc a rework like the others that make sense to the class fantasy

[gaunt moat]

isn't it every 1 minute?

oh, only if not last full duration

[vestal wren]

i think assassination has a decent idea/direction in the tree

just need to add/change talents and structure to make it work

[gaunt moat]

highly disagree on that.

[vestal wren]

i thought the old KB did work out decently well

[thorn fjord]

He's not completely wrong

[vestal wren]

before the last change

[toxic burrow]

That's kind of a big oof since I also rounded up for one dps to reach that 55k mark. I've been poring over logs with comparable times and ilvls, and yeah. Sure it's a rough fight for casters, but other casters of a similar set-up are doing much, MUCH better than our group.

[vestal wren]

we basically say 55k is the minimum we expect people to do

[jade abyss]

Dtb was > kb for patch? But kb was more fun idk dtb playstyle is 🥱

[vestal wren]

people below that need to work on their dps

(or get replaced in the long run)

55k is also not a high requirement

[gaunt moat]

I've already talked about it many times
but the assassination tree is almost only made of "bleeds deal 20% more damage" in different ways and forms.
it's boring. there's no real synergy.
and that's without getting into cleave potential and talents placements

[vestal wren]

cleave does seem fine

its more aoe thats bad

[toxic burrow]

It was all ranged that performed poorly there. Wonder if the poor positioning is having a huge toll on them.

[thorn fjord]

skill diff

[vestal wren]

you can easier fuck up as ranged

[uncut echo]

Fuu, Im just now jumping it again

What was your 55k requirement for?

Was this for your own raid team?

[thorn fjord]

Ranged dps on terros

[uncut echo]

55k is a baby req on terros

Just have them sit back and get a free dps pass

[thorn fjord]

55k is head back to heroic imo

[vestal wren]

terros mythic

[jade abyss]

Could it be better when sin would be like a bleed or poison specc instead both from them? (Maybe poison bcs we have feral as a bleed oriented specc)

[gaunt moat]

@vestal wren I'm not sure what's your definition of fine, but this is for example, the first 1:30 of our kurog mythic, up to the point first add dies.

[vestal wren]

it is the requirement we did set to people

kurog is not a cleave fight

it has burst adds

[thorn fjord]

that poor OL

[gaunt moat]

so what do you consider a cleave

[thorn fjord]

Eggnog is a cleave fight

[vestal wren]

wait

1:30 kill time on grimtotem mythic

is that a thing

[thorn fjord]

nah that was after the first adds

[gaunt moat]

lol, no, i said, that's the first 1:30 minutes, until first add dies