assassination

[magic vine]

if you wanted to help make assa different from most of the dot specs you could go back in the direction of ignite. or reduce the number of dots assa has but have it be like a "dot ticks generate stacks and you consume them with a cooldown for damage window type thing"

[oak sky]

give me passives that i notice or at least cooler ones that interact with things

[balmy condor]

Also not a bad idea

[oak sky]

me and dekai were talking a bit ago

[gilded seal]

What if KB granted 2 charges of shiv when used?

[oak sky]

one thought was to make like

a big 100+ energy finisher

to use in aoe

[magic vine]

like while feral is great copying its dot strategy too closely would be sort of meh

[oak sky]

so we could actually get value from being capped on energy

[balmy condor]

Feels a bit janky imo

Like you want to have shiv for big nature damage thing

And you have 2 charges with the talent

But then you want to dump the charges before kb?

So you can get the shiv charges back again?

Idk, bit awkward

[magic vine]

so leaning into assa being a stronger burst window compared to outlaw with the solid consistent or sub with fast mini windows could be a good direction

[oak sky]

my bongcloud thought was put kb under dtb but make dtb a choice node with the last tick doing uncapped aoe

and tune kb around dtb obviously

[magic vine]

remove ct's dot and instead make it extend all active dots (outside of like, dm/exsang) by 2 seconds 🙂

[gilded seal]

Maybe make it grant 2 “additional” charges so you could potentially have 4 but also so you’re not worrying about overcapping or having to dump charges before KB

I just really liked KB and am sadge to see it dead

[balmy condor]

Could make this the sinister calling finisher. Like rework CT so instead of instant damage + dot, it’s instant damage and dot advancement, consumes all your energy to empower those effects by x%

So in practice you could be overcapped energy with carnage, use it, it takes 170 energy, chunks all the rupture/garrotes down 4 seconds, big instant damage, and then because you chunked the dots, you get venomous wounds energy back as a refund

[magic vine]

instead of giving shiv additional charges it should just extend the duration of the shiv buff window

[balmy condor]

Or it could empower the shiv

Idk

The additional charges stuff feels weird to me

[oak sky]

yeah im not sure

[magic vine]

8->16 if you talent kb

[oak sky]

like im still fine with ct

but a big finisher would be cool

this is why we dont get to design the game

[balmy condor]

I’m not really a fan of CT tbh

The more I think about CT’s role the more I hate it

[magic vine]

ct should just spread active dots to targets, maybe on a reduced lifetime

[balmy condor]

Like it’s supposed to be the aoe, but make the dot too strong and now it’s giga single target too cause it’s a dot, but also can’t really buff the instant damage because it’s supposed to be a dot, not a spam, but then you have carnage so you don’t really have anything to spam. So then you have poison bomb to spam, which kinda fucking blows cause it’s a tiny ass ground aoe

It’s all connected in this disgusting ass web

Easy fix could be like ct does increased damage based on the amount of bleeds it hits

So you carnage gar rup that’s 16 bleeds

You CT, now it does giga pog dam

[magic vine]

my issue with poison bomb is its just a flat damage on its own, theres no feedback with the rest of the kit. having something where you're incentivized to put out dots and then use envenom/ct besides flat damage

[balmy condor]

My bong rip of a take is that poison bomb should do less damage but every tick should proc venomous wounds or refund energy

So if you proc pb, you just see your energy STONKS

[gilded seal]

What if AP refreshed all bleeds on targets hit and cap it at 8

[magic vine]

and since sin is sort of the "good single target" designed spec base its aoe around pushing that st into aoe, like how arcane mage pilots

[gilded seal]

You could play around with empowered garrote uptime

[balmy condor]

Yeh, I like that

Seems a bit rough though

Cause you could just infinitely refresh dots

[magic vine]

all their shit is like "find the fattest mob in the pull, turn on your buffs and hit your aoe cooldown and nuke the shit out of it"

[gilded seal]

Could jive with IC but you still have a ST issue

[oak sky]

im not really down for refreshing dots because i feel like it usually promotes dots doing 0 damage

[balmy condor]

Kinda kills multi-dotting

Which I’m not a fan of

Thats why I like sinister calling type effects

[gilded seal]

Yeah the spinning plates is kinda what makes sin fun

[balmy condor]

Cause it promotes having to multi-dot

Instead of just being storm->powder in disguise

[oak sky]

i do like the idea of our aoe finisher being a dot

i think thats the good thing about ct

like it fits thematically

but for gameplay ur not wrong that like

it ends up presenting problems

a lot

[balmy condor]

Yeh

Like there’s ways around the issues

But you’d have to make CT into a book

[steel ridge]

primal wrath cough

[oak sky]

or supporting talents

primal wrath is different

that would be like if ct just ruptured all nearby targets

[balmy condor]

Bro feral and shadow priest just have carnage but better

I’m malding

Carnage was so cool in beta

[oak sky]

priest dots do 0 damage though 💀

[balmy condor]

And then now it’s like

Hol up

They just get that

But it’s 0 cd

[magic vine]

multi dotting is fun but ramp times a serious issue

[oak sky]

uncap carnage uncap scent give it a longer cd

low key

[steel ridge]

and is spammable

with instant dmg

and double dot

[balmy condor]

Uncap carnage is a hard sell, but uncap scent, add garrote to it

Now we’re talking

[oak sky]

ooh add garrote

[steel ridge]

rake no cd

[oak sky]

rake also doesnt generate energy

[balmy condor]

I was peddling for garrote on scent for a while

And it didn’t go anywhere

[steel ridge]

boohoo

[oak sky]

uncap scent add all bleeds

add ct too

[magic vine]

don't look at arms warrior test of might stacks 😄

[balmy condor]

Even without uncapped scent it would’ve just been a cleave buff

Cause you max it earlier

[oak sky]

yeah

[balmy condor]

But we got fucking AP instead

So I guess all good

I ain’t mad

[oak sky]

i think i like the idea of ct getting support talents

but i also really like the idea of an energy dump

getting both would be nice

maybe together

[steel ridge]

latest 10.0.7 have not a single rogue word again, which is concerning

[oak sky]

not really

[balmy condor]

Flying daggers is an easy replace

[oak sky]

yeah

or moving shit around

pk can be replaced too

[balmy condor]

Like it’s so free to just get rid of flying dagger, get rid of exsang, get rid of doomblade, replace them all with cleave/aoe shit

GG

[magic vine]

the two fok talents should just get combined

[balmy condor]

Sbs might actually make sense in dungeons if doomblade wasn’t a random ass mut buff

[gilded seal]

My hot take was that the trees should only have augments to existing abilities vice just unlocking an ability you previously had last expac. Right now it just devolves into what is the most dmg efficient way to get the things I previously had

[steel ridge]

😄

[steel ridge]

No

[gilded seal]

So it could be soulbinds from SL, Artifact traits from Legion, Torghast talents etc

[balmy condor]

I agree to some extent, getting stuff back is fine, but they had to put it farther up in the tree rather than all the way at the bottom

[oak sky]

having the option to not take something like ct and getting more st for it is cool

[magic vine]

thats just because recreating talent trees was a ton of work and they didn't even have time to really finish recreating it existing playstyles

[balmy condor]

Ain’t nobody wanna spend 17 points just to get back to sbs and blindside

[steel ridge]

its fine to not have everything

[gilded seal]

I mean don’t get me wrong what we have now is still awesome and I enjoy it. It’s leaps and bounds better than what we had previously

[steel ridge]

but we currently have too many buttons for too little output

[oak sky]

a lot of people are right

our design is kinda old

[magic vine]

assa design feels dated sort of like how frost dk feels dated

[balmy condor]

Aight one of you fucks needs to change profile pics

Cause y’all too similar

[oak sky]

how pathetic is it that people can be excited about lethal dose

[balmy condor]

You like breath? You like oblit? That’s all you get

[steel ridge]

Feral has the same for bite dmg per bleed 5%

but its 1 point

[magic vine]

yea like.. frost has a devil of a time because breath is an rp spender and oblit is a builder, so trying to buff/nerf one style directly effects the other. and then like, they have a bunch of "crit gives km procs" types of things, but when you use km it auto-crits so crit is devalued even while being the super important

[balmy condor]

Whack

[oak sky]

Hopefully some cool shit is coming

Someday

[steel ridge]

[gilded seal]

Maybe we just have radio silence on sin right now because they have big plans for 10.1

[magic vine]

they just need to commit to a damage style and cycle, clear the crap and make it cohesive around that decision

[steel ridge]

More green stuff

Aoe finisher poison

that fucks

[magic vine]

moving assa into the 45s / 1.5m cycle and focusing on dots and amping dots would be what i would do, but everyones sort of got different ideas of how they'd like to see it play

[steel ridge]

Oh wait back to my proposal of envenom auto cleave on poisoned targets

Yeah theres a million possible fixes

[magic vine]

make envenom stack a poison based on cp spent and poison bomb is a 45s cd that explodes all poisons in an aoe

now you've also got a solution to "tank pulls mobs into the next pull" style of play

[steel ridge]

I could see that, but still lacks some „instant“ no ramp dmg

[magic vine]

i think sin also suffers from having two different dot types

[gaunt moat]

@keen spruce
So it's gonna be a 5% buff oversll huh...
I mean, makes sense.. BM needed another 5%...

[drifting cosmos]

8.3 all over again?!

[balmy condor]

Well if azor says it’s 5%

Prepare for it to be 50%

[vestal wren]

even if its only 5%

having 5% on top of a rly high output is already insane

[drifting cosmos]

Especially, most specs would be lucky if getting QoL changes

[vestal wren]

tbh subtlety has 3 bugs bugs that impact gameplay/output that are not resolved

so, personally i would like to have bugs resolved first

[subtle tundra]

personally i would like kb to be real

[gaunt moat]

They "justify" it by saying hunter survivabilty is not as high

[vestal wren]

you mean like pre last tree update?

[subtle tundra]

yes if we could revert 10 0 5 i would

[thin ingot]

are there any news on what exsang supposed rework is going to be?

[subtle tundra]

it was a step back in the tree

[thin ingot]

or if they are yeeting it from the talent tree

[gaunt moat]

No

[thin ingot]

😦

[steel ridge]

hand in the pants bm dominating ST even more now 😄

[gaunt moat]

Some might not like it, but this is peak balance.

RIP WWs

[magic vine]

damn ww down bad

[grim jay]

the diff is that we get nerfed if bugs get resolved and result in a gain

and BM gets buffed instead

[vestal wren]

just a rough estimate

fixing bugs would add ~2% dps to subtlety

so would "shoot" it up to around 91k dps

[grim jay]

that couldnt go through

too high rogue dps

😄

[sharp ore]

Hyperfox's tips for assassin dps really helped.
Sub rogue was much too fast for me to keep up >,> So assassin it is

[vestal wren]

this would place it on the 16th place going from the simc chart

[grim jay]

its kinda interesting how the balance was better before they decided to randomly compensate/fix/buff classes

[vestal wren]

subtlety op, 16th best single target spec, such a big balancing concern

[grim jay]

I actually dont know why they dont just give aura buffs in proportion to what the class loses if they just fix an item

tbf

its kinda lazy but it wouldnt turn out to be way stronger than before

[vestal wren]

i think one of the problems is that we lack transparency and data

how are specs tuned?

what specs seem too strong/weak?

what is currently worked on?

[subtle tundra]

Where are you looking to say sub is 16th best st

[grim jay]

at this point they buffed like 8 or 9 specs higher than pre-nerf rogues

https://www.simulationcraft.org/reports/T29_Raid.html

[vestal wren]

https://www.simulationcraft.org/reports/T29_Raid.html

[grim jay]

and I actually dont know how that could possibly be good balancing

[subtle tundra]

I mean

Looking at straight sims is like the worst thing

To compare

Like...

You have terros

You can't get real data better than that

Early boss

No mechanics

[grim jay]

I mean

[subtle tundra]

Can't get more dummy than that

[grim jay]

if you look at terros

you see bm everywhere

[vestal wren]

grieftorch, externals

not everyone has bis gear

the boss still involves movement, giving melees a near no downtime fight but can impact ranged

[magic vine]

sophic

[sharp ore]

I for sure don't have bis gear >,>

Is there a way to remove embelishments from equipment?

[vestal wren]

but yes, statistics def. are a good data point

[subtle tundra]

Also that 2% st you talk about is not just st

It applies to everything

And rn sub is excelent at everything

[vestal wren]

lethality bug would only impact st

ns bug ofc impacts aoe too

but small % increases don't shift the balance significantly

buffs of 5%, 10% or even 15% do like we saw for other classes/specs

[subtle tundra]

Those are going to underperforming specs

Not meta

[vestal wren]

fixing NS would also make outlaw stronger, potentially combating the recent nerfs

[subtle tundra]

Like sub

[vestal wren]

subtlety was nowhere near meta just recently

it became meta due to outlaw nerfs

but i get your point "why fix bugs if it would be benefitial to subtlety"

[subtle tundra]

That's cope

Nothing changed

Except community perception

Cause people started pushing

And playing the best

[vestal wren]

well thing is

subtelty went from being least played rogue spec

to now on par with outlaw

so wouldn't say "nothing changed"

just talking about raid

population is a high indicator for meta

[subtle tundra]

Yes nothing changed. It was the start of the expansion and people were mostly experimenting and trying shit out

Playing their favorite shit

[grim jay]

BM underperforming

[subtle tundra]

New stufff

[vestal wren]

i don't know, i think for me it makes more sense that perception changed

and now people move to the new meta spec

[subtle tundra]

That's what I said

But it's not cause of nerfs or buffs

[vestal wren]

people took the outlaw nerfs as oppotunity to change

only few did care about subtlety in keys before the nerfs

assuming we talk about mythic plus meta

[subtle tundra]

Yea. Idk talking about raid meta seems pointless unless you look strictly at prog

And everyone's prog

[vestal wren]

even in raid, opinion on what is strong/weak do differ depending on who you talk to

[subtle tundra]

Like I played sub on rasz for prog and won't change now for reclear cause my raid group relies on me to break red side shield

[vestal wren]

think thats reasonable

i think all 3 specs can work on raz

rly depends on your raid group too

[subtle tundra]

We can most likely do it without me on sub

But I just want to get clear over as fast as possible

Not wipe cause I want to play assa

[vestal wren]

resonable

[gaunt moat]

I've never played sub, and my guild will probably want me to learn sub for rasz
but that feels like a tall ask. learning a spec for that fight. i'll probably be underperforming by a lot.
fear of failure just demotivates me from even learning it.

[subtle tundra]

You will have atleast 50 pulls in p1 to learn

I went blind aswell

[gaunt moat]

you haven't played sub before?

[subtle tundra]

Well I did in sl

So I guess not as blind

Just spam m+

You will learn it

Troll some keys

It's not rocket science nor quantum physics

[gaunt moat]

I tried learning outlaw
did one low level m+
then went.. nope nope nope nope, not doing that.

[subtle tundra]

Or don't be a pussy

[gaunt moat]

uhh, okay? 🤔

[drifting cosmos]

outlaw does feel different to play, apm spec

[royal lantern]

i mean yeha

specs are supposed to feel different

[jade abyss]

Maybe i should give sub a try

Troll some keys and people are stopping me to ask "wHy ArE yOu SiN?"

[royal lantern]

where do you find those people

i had it 2x that somone said anything cus im assa

people just invite a rogue and thats it lol

[pseudo hamlet]

Do you guys think that Blizzard will rework Assa a little in 10.1 or it's just mine copium?
I mean, we haven't seen that much Assa balancing in the last patches... Maybe they're waiting for 10.1 to show us something special!

[royal lantern]

we hope

[balmy condor]

that's everyone's copium

[royal lantern]

hope and cope

[gaunt moat]

I think it's time to move to super copium

[storm forum]

Only if it kills me

[jade abyss]

Lol

I wish me a baseline kingsbane

[grim jay]

yeeees. my thoughts exactly. or dtb baseline so you can actually take kb

[hollow dirge]

I mean nerf it if it’s op , and give it baseline. Let us have some fun, even if it’s not a 10% dmg boost

[limber heath]

dtb baseline would make more sense imo poison spec and all

[gaunt moat]

I dunno. I like KB, but i dislike the button bloat.
Like, having both KB and exsang, and ER and SBS is too much.

[dark token]

Lmao blizzard added ret only nodes in the class tree

What a stupid idea

Completely invalidates the framework the other class trees were built with

We have to have shitty spec only utility passives in our spec tree because of this, or have talents giga nuked because outlaw could access them etc

[jade abyss]

Idk why so many people have problems with buttons x)

But a talent would be funny that says "during the duration from kb shiv will be active aswell" x)

[royal lantern]

tbh, really really personal hottake incomming

class tree that is all shared stuff is a flawed concept by default

like, spec tree is cool, but CLASS tree is not

[dark token]

Sure

But

[balmy condor]

took blizzard less than a patch to revert back to spec specific talent tuning

[dark token]

They set the precedent

And now they broke it

Which is absolutely stupid

Need to rework the other class trees now

[jade abyss]

Vote mr whispyr for blizzard sin rogue balancing

[dark token]

Cause we all got neutered talents

[balmy condor]

maybe we get back assassination buffed nightstalker

https://tenor.com/view/copium-cat-gif-27161395

actually no

nightstalker snapshotting is cringe

rework the fucking class tree

I apologize for my brief lapse of judgement

[jade abyss]

On what depends the cp gain from fok?

[hollow dirge]

With all the snapshotting, elaborate last half a sec finishing, perfect duration on bleeds prior to exan, cloaking to keep the 100% uptime, you look at the meters thinking, shit, did this perfectly, must be amazing dips, and then there’s uh just casually pulling 300k opener, making you look like a sweaty weasel 😂

[balmy condor]

don't make fun of him

he pushed his army button really hard okay

[hollow dirge]

Damn straight. Night king mode on, fire away

[balmy condor]

he also had to setup a macro for PI

poor guy

[hollow dirge]

True, imagine the effort. He earned it, fair and square

[balmy condor]

I'm sure they have a 25 step opener to prep for all that burst like we do

[vestal wren]

you need to use 2 times festering strike

[viscid spear]

[vestal wren]

rly complex

[jade abyss]

I mean wow openers looking better as ff14 ones x)

[royal lantern]

the funny part

people still tell you that unholy has HUGE SETUP

🙂

[gaunt moat]

holy shit is that really their opener to do their insane damage?
i was led to believe they are giga hard

i'm actually triggered

[earnest remnant]

kinda i guess

[limber heath]

gargoyle is the big part of their dmg in opener with PI

[limber heath]

it doesnt show here tho

[dark crag]

Dk dmg is tiny, the pets do the dmg

[balmy condor]

oh so they have to hit 6 buttons

instead of 5

my apologies to all the unholy dk's out there

not that they can count that high

[earnest remnant]

this is the fun bit

[jade abyss]

I was like the valkyre gameplay in legion 🫣

[gaunt moat]

man, our opener sequence last for more than 20 seconds

[limber heath]

8 actually 🤓

but ours is a fk fest

[balmy condor]

mate I get it, I just don't care

[limber heath]

yea i dont play it either just sayin

[royal lantern]

the fun part is: it looks like they do 0 dmg outside of CD's and all the bigbrains will tell you "omg just look, its only dmg during CD's!!!!"

when in reality the "low part" is 85-90K lmao

[limber heath]

im trying to teach a guildie assas opener and he doesnt want to do it says to much button and ditched exsang aswell lol

[balmy condor]

assassination forever doomed to put in 2x the effort for 1/2 the results

[limber heath]

then asks me how do you do more dot dmg than me

[royal lantern]

didnt they allready break it with warrior btw? im sure there was a talent that is different for arms then it is for fury/prot in the class tree or something like that

[gaunt moat]

4x the effort for 1/3 the result in case of AoE

[balmy condor]

nah, carnage made assa aoe pretty braindead

it just still doesn't do anything

[gaunt moat]

*cleave

[gaunt moat]

And then I get asked why am I against button bloat.

[balmy condor]

I don't mind the buttons

I just wish they did something

if they take away buttons we'd just be like every other 2 button spec in the game

[limber heath]

when all dots run out from ic what do you guys usually do?

[balmy condor]

and I would actually fall asleep during raid

very very scary situation to find myself in

[balmy condor]

put up a couple ruptures and then keep on pressing random buttons

[gaunt moat]

If it was possible to balance around "optimal skillful style" and "casual style" where skillful would over-perform.
yeah sure, give us a trillion buttons.
but that's now how it goes.

[royal lantern]

you mean, like you do rn when you fight 7 out of the 8 raidbosses as assa and are degraded into dmg dummy duty?

[gaunt moat]

The way it is, is we have a million button just to be competitive.

[balmy condor]

I turned on stream, got summoned to diurna, and actually yawned like 4 times in 5 minutes mid pull

it's a struggle out here man

[limber heath]

i wish there was an aoe cd

both cds doesnt feel right on aoe you just press it

[earnest remnant]

just gotta put on some bangers, and have a Sing off, with yourself

thats what i did

[royal lantern]

i trust in realz

when DF is over, assa is gonna be a banger, just sucks that we have to wait

[earnest remnant]

one thing tho, i want whatever the dude thats handling hunter balancing is on, that shit seems wicked

[gaunt moat]

What if realz left cause he doesn't wanna come work from office?
that would explain things 🤔

[balmy condor]

idk, wow has this weird bipolar nature to it where it's either the most fun I've ever had, or so mind-numbingly boring that I would actually rather play rock paper scissors with an actual rock, paper, and scissors

this tier is the latter

[royal lantern]

ich bin das coole kind was immer Brunnen genutzt hat

[gaunt moat]

a lot of people relate fun to success.
i.e. topping meters is fun, makes you feel good.

[balmy condor]

yeh I relate fun to doing anything

[hollow dirge]

Oh diurna is a lullaby, no questions. Do rotation, press feint on egg breaks, repeat for what feels like 2023 lifetimes

[balmy condor]

and I don't do anything on diurna

diurna makes me actively want to play anything else

[hollow dirge]

Including the spoder

[balmy condor]

at least stone legion generals you had to like use your brain for 3 seconds

[hollow dirge]

Which is incredible achievement

[balmy condor]

diurna might actually be the worst fight they've ever designed

I would rather prog slg again

[earnest remnant]

its not like being on adds on brood changes anything, just more target dummies

it was a fun progress boss

[jade abyss]

Obi Hörnchen

[earnest remnant]

but its mind numbingly boring on farm

[royal lantern]

a lot? litearlly all lol

liquid max once asked his viewers wich patch their class/spec had the best gameplay and was most fun

EVERY. SINGLE. ONE was the patch where that class/spec was broken as hell, every single one

[earnest remnant]

only boss i really hate, is council

that boss can eat a dick

[hollow dirge]

It’s giga bad. And then after such a “complex” boss, you go to the simple raz

[balmy condor]

maybe they made diurna so fucking garbage to make us happy to prog raz

that's my tinfoil

[vestal wren]

you like storm boy?

[gaunt moat]

@royal lantern Yeah, I'm just trying not to give absolute statements here anymore because some people in this channel lack understanding of nuance

[earnest remnant]

idm Dathea

[hollow dirge]

Minmaxing the boss feels, I like it

[earnest remnant]

but we do weird stuff on Dathea so i dont know if that counts

its really only council i hate doing every week

Raszageth is probs my favorite tho

[royal lantern]

council is just so weird

im happy its not a annoying 140pull fight atleast

[vestal wren]

council is fast so its whatever

[royal lantern]

fuck council fights, worst fights in the game

[earnest remnant]

i just keep getting inted on it

so i just dont wanna play it

[vestal wren]

fair

[gaunt moat]

My problem with primal council is that it's a fight the actively makes you hate your raid members

[earnest remnant]

you think?

me doing 215k dps just for 3 ppl to run over me and kill me with debuff

is very enjoyable

[royal lantern]

run? you mean vengefull retreat/felrush over you

[earnest remnant]

got all the sophic procs in the world i could ask for

[royal lantern]

or the warrior just leaping out in a straight line and giving 5people marks

[earnest remnant]

nah our DH is not bad with it

[gaunt moat]

I'm just so paranoid on primal council, i stay so far away from boss, i'm playing like crap on that fight

[earnest remnant]

i just need 1 week to get an absolute ringer on it, and then ill stop caring

[unreal bear]

terros "prog" made me hate them more

[storm belfry]

Yeah idk who likes that fight except deranged tanks

[plain ferry]

is there a weak aura for tracking septic wounds from our tier set

im having trouble finding/making one

[copper hazel]

why would you want to track it

[plain ferry]

thought it would be better to do burst when at 5 stacks but sometimes i cant see the stacks in my buffs

[royal lantern]

you have 5 stacks like 2 seconds into combat

and then for the entire fight until its over

[balmy condor]

yeah there's 0 reason to track it

[plain ferry]

ok ty

[gaunt moat]

Treat septic as if it says "your bleeds deal 20% more damage"

just make sure to remember to apply poisons to your weapons

[jade abyss]

It would be cool when leeching are be still up when your log out..

[storm belfry]

I love to equip tier and just benefit

Instead of playing around it

[worldly radish]

So as a newer player to wow/rogue would you say assn rogue has good survivability or are they squishy? I find that I just get melted so easily but I could be using abilities wrong

[formal cliff]

melted where

[worldly radish]

I’d say in rbg but I’m also under geared workin on full honor now

[formal cliff]

#pvp

:p

[worldly radish]

Oh I’m sorry

[ancient halo]

Assass is dead boyz?

Falling behind on meters and percentiles in raid sadge. M+ grps don’t see the strength of garrote silences and poisons.

[vestal wren]

its fine in raid

[frozen jasper]

It’s also Fine in m+ if you‘re Not trying to Push 25s

Could be better though, but definately Not unplayable/dead

[vestal wren]

true but if you prefere to pug keys, people will usually see it as a bad option

[storm onyx]

Find a rl who looks beyond overall details. I know it is hard though

[spice spire]

I’ve never had an issue and I’m in the shitter area of sub 22s

[marsh grail]

do we got any gamers that know how can i make my sim

not use deathmark and vanish

at all

[unreal bear]

assassination seems mostly fine if you're not pushing leaderboards

and honestly most people aren't playing optimally anyway

you're not good at anything, but you can hold your own

[gaunt moat]

if you want a positive
we're at least not dying - not dying = more damage

[unreal bear]

i wont die but i can assure you im taking the top spot on avoidable damage

[gaunt moat]

do you wanna see my damage on our first night on broodkeeper?

[unreal bear]

sure

[gaunt moat]

Wildfire damage

[flint ridge]

whats that addon they use where u can track dps defensives/offensive cds on yoru party frame like in mdi

[spare crow]

omnicd

[vestal wren]

https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/omnicd

[flint ridge]

ty!

is there a likewise addon that you can see on party frame

[vestal wren]

it does support grid2 or suf so should work on it too

[flint ridge]

oh cool!

thanks guys!

so i saw this on the normal party frame. it shows cd's. how do i make this happen?

[sharp orchid]

It’s probably a Weak aura?

[deft vault]

ability team tracker does it

[vestal wren]

https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/att

this one?

[trim dirge]

omnicd

[flint ridge]

how do i set it up so it appears in the middle of the frame?

[deft vault]

this i assume? @flint ridge https://gyazo.com/d29ea4ca9aa05c598f233c63edd247ac

[flint ridge]

yeah! awesome ty

[empty tangle]

is 377 ilvl too low for mythic +2?

[green juniper]

should be fine

also run your own keys, type bonus valor

get 410 guys to carry you

[empty tangle]

ok i jsut joined +3 lol

[spice spire]

Gl

[lapis venture]

Hello, can someone tell me how i sim my dps in raidbots for a target dummy? i just can see QuickSim but with this i have a lot buffs that i dont use on a dummy.

for example, QuickSim tells me i should deal around 40k dmg with all buffs and so on. but on the dummy i only reach 25k

so i like to know how much less i would sim with only my own buffs on a dummy

[plain jewel]

does it matter if i exsang then deathmark, or deathmark then exsang. Will the deathmark be cut in half regardless?

[royal lantern]

if you DM and then exsang

you kill your dps

🙂

[lapis venture]

thanks

[gaunt moat]

No, exsang is a snapshot affect, which means, it affects only currently applied bleeds

If you use exsang first, it would not affect DM

[normal mist]

If you exsang AFTER DM, you reduce your DM down to 8 seconds

+/-

Bye bye cds

[normal olive]

@balmy condor like this?

[normal mist]

Above, You exsanged before vanish garrote

Aka you lost your garrote emp by exs

[normal olive]

nah that can't be it

[normal mist]

Had to edit for better clarification

You want to vanish garr exsang DM

[magic vine]

shiv after that first envenom as well, and drink your tea if you're on 3 charges

[normal olive]

[magic vine]

honestly its sort of annoying to have grieftorch and sophic, because you'll get absolute bangers of an opening but they've got a great parse because they have 40% sophic and 5 grief torches in a 4 minute fight

[royal lantern]

i mean, top parses are always like that lol

[ebon notch]

wdym

[magic vine]

yea you have the high rolls on the other variance, but getting an extra like 3k from people dying and another 3k from sophic is like the entire variance range

honestly the sin parses aren't the worst, only a couple people overwriting their exsang garrotes 🙂

[ebon notch]

its almost always like this

rank 1s need the stars to align

most of the time

[magic vine]

yea but even when you filter out everyone getting pi and skip down you've often got some real creative choices, and its just sort of annoying to me lol

[limber lion]

Yeh wasn't like that in Sepulcher/CN and only partly in SOD. SoD was the era of KA though so there's that.

[ebon notch]

ye but also unholy gems proc

was gross

[limber lion]

But yeh variance and rng is the reason parses aren't super great, but still something fun to aim for.

[ebon notch]

if it lined up

also frost gem crits

[limber lion]

Nah that wasnt that bad

[ebon notch]

idk having like 10% crit chance on frost proc

compared to 50%

was not fun

[limber lion]

Yeh of course not

[ebon notch]

hitting a mob that had like 20k hp for 200k

was also hilarious

[limber lion]

But thats just super unlucky

[ebon notch]

ye ofc

[limber lion]

If you have 50% crit chance, seeing 10% crits aint happenibg much

And neither is 90% crits

[frail rivet]

regarding this, what is the addon that colors the party bars with the class color of each party member?

[limber lion]

But yeh Sepulcher was good, not that many people played Assa so it wasnt getting fed PI's

[frail rivet]

Is elvui necessary?

[limber lion]

And it was behind a skill ceiling

Playing perfectly is just to eliminate the variance and rng as much as possible, but it's still possible to highroll with a bad rotation, it's just much more likely when you play the spec well

[ebon notch]

its in the blizzard settings

thats default UI

[balmy condor]

Amen

[wind dune]

https://imgflip.com/i/7cgpcq this is how i feel playing wow now lol

restleah parts a meme but yea

[kind talon]

Huh

[gaunt moat]

😂

[neon kindle]

[brazen zodiac]

its not that bad 💃

[quaint condor]

does anyone have any talent or general tips for H Raz prog?

[balmy condor]

Don’t let intermission damage bother you, hold cds for first shield, they’ll come back up for third shield

Otherwise just single target and cry

[storm onyx]

If you are Tauten or BElf, racials work on sparks. You can step the pushback on p2 and avoid all dmg. You may want to cloak the breath while burning one of the two big elementals with adds instead of running out.

[quaint condor]

cloak on the elemental is a great tip ty

I should be belfing sparks too ya

[balmy condor]

idk, tank should be pulling the out of the breath anyway

shouldn't really ever be in a position where you can't hit stuff

[storm onyx]

I ment the ones with the orbs

[balmy condor]

that one gets baited by range

[storm onyx]

We failing on baits on that then )

[balmy condor]

we only get a breath on melee in that intermission like maybe 1/5

[storm onyx]

Hm

[balmy condor]

I'm pretty sure the ranged camp just huddles over in a corner and something something breath goes horizontal instead of over the adds

but I'm just punching the adds so I'm not entirely sure how it works

[storm onyx]

I will ask about it, what we doing

[balmy condor]

I just know ranged has a stack point going into second intermission and get told to bait and then magically I never deal with breath

[storm onyx]

Yea, same

Lol

[drifting cloud]

it goes on biggest clump of people but theres only a certain amount of available paths

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1023950194812919818/1070842936486539374/image.png

something like this

[balmy condor]

I see

[storm onyx]

Oo, thank you

[drifting cloud]

so sometimes when the clump is between 2 of them it could be 50:50 which one comes down

[slow viper]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[modest crest]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[modest crest]

Anybody using Jmorph?

[quaint condor]

whoaaa interesting

[high berry]

Ruby whelp shell is good for mythic plus? Need to train it for ae?

[storm onyx]

Not sure of the aoe part tbh, but its one of the good ST trinkets

[high berry]

I know there was a debate about how good it was. I guess I never caught the conclusion

[storm onyx]

think Haste was best foe ae

and m+

[thorn fjord]

Tank finally got icon

woot

[balmy condor]

it's mediocre everywhere

gotta train it for a week and in that week you can just get another, better trinket

so

[keen spruce]

i've been playin diablo for 28.5 hours

i think i'm gonna die

[balmy condor]

only about 22 hours left in the season then

[keen spruce]

i'm trying to burnout before Sunday raid so we can kill broodkeeper next week

[balmy condor]

is it working

[keen spruce]

no

and i'm only 17th on monk leaderboards not even winning

some dude is already doing GR 130s

[gusty mirage]

highest monk gr is a 130?

[keen spruce]

monk don't kill rift guardians gud

[honest jackal]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/BcJ3R9zYrgfwMbHP#fight=1&type=damage-done

pick me apart

how could i do better?

[balmy condor]

get more ilvl

[honest jackal]

zypher whats the dps increase on that spec?

and i know i know whispyr im trying lol

[magic vine]

isn't exsang like 1-2k or something generally? you can sim it compared to your build tho

i actually don't know assa rotation well enough to tell you stuff you're mucking up, but you're rocking 40% sophic so likely room for you to improve

opener looks different from faq by a decent amount to me

i guess the no-exsang build is close to what you did

[honest jackal]

ill look into that and hmm never even looked at my opener like that before

is it off because i app my rup and snd early?

[balmy condor]

killars log review

[magic vine]

i need to swap to assa and run ap on terros to troll whispyr i think

[keen spruce]

If you have puzzle box it is significant, probably closer to 2k in <6min fights

9-10 min fights they run quite a bit closer and without puzzle I don't think they're that far apart iirc.

[honest jackal]

What do you normally run zypher?

[tough gorge]

Is flaring cowl special effect an embelishment?

[oak sky]

yes

[magic vine]

i do sub normally, i was hopeful for ap but its just not quite there

iron wire is amazing but the specs just so awkward in m+ to me

[tough gorge]

So cant have cowl, lariat AND say the blue silk weapon embelishment? If you have all 3 how does the game choose which 2 you use.

[little dock]

when do you use puzzle box in m+?

[oak sky]

you cant equip 3 embellishes at the same time

but some don' t count as an embellish

like the flavor pocket

[tough gorge]

Oh ok.

[magic vine]

it just doesn't let you equip it

[chrome peak]

I'm confused, it says I should have a vers phial? What kind of flask should I have?

[balmy condor]

vers?

phials are flasks

[strange python]

I wish rage was good for degen like for spriests 😦

[normal mist]

Vers phials/flasks are also super cheap so pretty good deal

[chrome peak]

I know phials are flasks, I use the term interchangeably, sorry for the confusion

[balmy condor]

ye

so vers phials then, as you said

[gaunt moat]

Chaos phial is slightly better, right?

[vestal wren]

i think corrupting can be slightly better on specific fights, but overall vers is usually the best

[balmy condor]

it's better on specifically kurog

trash pretty much everywhere else

[molten grail]

Haven’t played assas before. Is using exsang and then death mark in the opener optimal? Or does the death mark nullify the exsang

[balmy condor]

exsang then deathmark is great, deathmark duplicated the exsang'd dots

deathmark then exsang is hard trolling, because exsang cuts deathmarks timer down

[molten grail]

Cool thanks.

[ornate valley]

can I modify this macro to work with multilate and ambush?

/cast [bonusbar:1] Shadowstrike; Backstab

it works on sub

/cast [bonusbar:1] Ambush; Mutilate

[vestal wren]

exactly ^^

[balmy condor]

problem is that blindside doesn't trigger the stealth bar

!bs

[prisma monolith]

Ambush/Mutilate Macro:
This should be seen as a "lazy" option, and is not recommended. It can be hard to control and requires a third-party macro addon to expand the games base functionality. We recommend ALWAYS keybinding ambush (either with a modifier, or an entirely different key)
You can macro Ambush to Mutilate using a advanced macro addon.
Further Explanation/Details:
#assassination message

[balmy condor]

this works

but like

"works" in big quotes

[ornate valley]

I have razer naga so I can have 30 binds at same time no problem

I have 2 separe keys for those two and IM fine, Im just experimenting with sub for m+

and it have macro that works, thought I can tweak it

[balmy condor]

nop

[serene fossil]

Only works bc sub doesnt have out of stealth/dance procs of shadowstrike, since assa got those procs of ambush you cant use their macro

[turbid heath]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/LuxthosRogueDragonflight (Luxthos's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[turbid heath]

Anyone got a weakaura that makes Garotte / Rupture bounce when it has less than 5 seconds on the buff or anything similar please?

[outer cairn]

might possibly just be able to go into one like Lux's and just do a little editing

[glad lark]

Is there any decent assassination video guides I’m trying to learn spec cause I’ve only ever played outlaw I and wanted to try something different and I like to visually learn lol

[royal lantern]

videoguides are really bad

[glad lark]

Why is that

[uncut echo]

Bc there aren't any good ones.

If you want to visually learn, the spec is incredibly basic. I'd pull up your opener, and look at the button sequence on another monitor and eun that shit into a dummy for a hour.

In #assassination-faq

[glad lark]

Opener isn’t the problem it’s the what the hell do I do after lol 😂

[uncut echo]

Other than that it's spend at 5-6 combo points and refresh dots in pandemic if they aren't imp garrotes. Or exsanged dots

Shiv on CD drink tea at low energy and just go nuts with it

[glad lark]

I have so many questions like do I wait for Exsang and death mark to both be of cd or do I send it on cd

[uncut echo]

Hold Exsang for the 3rd DM at 4 minutes

Ideally with Puzzlebox as well

[glad lark]

So ever other dm should line up with exang?

[uncut echo]

Yeah, but in most raidfights it'll just be two exsang dms

[glad lark]

I’ll test it out tysm

[uncut echo]

Mhm!

[royal lantern]

videoguides are outdated extremely fast

thats why

[brazen nimbus]

can we clear fulminating charge root on raz mythic somehow?

or do we need freedom/tigers?

[royal lantern]

i mean, vanish breaks roots

[brazen nimbus]

Alright, yeah might hold 1 just incase

[turbid heath]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/LuxthosRogueDragonflight (Luxthos's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[neon kindle]

I thought u dont xsang with DM

[uncut echo]

Exsang -> deathmark is goated

Deathmark -> exsang is

[uncut echo]

Read this

[turbid heath]

anyone got a plater profile that literally only tracks their bleeds? i kinda dont wanna know if my target has serrated bone spike and all my poisons on via the nameplate tbh - I have the portrait for that

[glad lark]

I think you can go into plater settings and pick what is shown

[turbid heath]

actually just saw this now - thank you 😄

[glad lark]

Lol no problem

[honest jackal]

Just started trying to learn sub yesterday haha. Still a bit rough 🤣

[misty holly]

What are you talking about, Sub is just spam Shuriken Storm and Black Powder over and over.

[storm belfry]

Yep. Very sleeper

[grizzled storm]

😡 buff assa 😡

[static glacier]

they have to press 4 abilities in a specific order in dance okay 🥲

[vestal wren]

does it matter?

most classes/specs aoe rotations are not extremely complex

[spice spire]

That’s true

[limber heath]

harder than assas in aoe btw

[thorn fjord]

@spice spire down to run 1 in a bit?

What lvl is your rat

[spice spire]

Yes man

391

What’s yours at?

[thorn fjord]

Mm mine only 371

But it’s a dk

[spice spire]

I got a 10 AA with ur name on it

[thorn fjord]

So that really makes it like 400

Nice putting baby to nap and I’ll dm you

[spice spire]

I haven’t ran my key at all this week

Yes man

Val going to work in like 90

[thorn fjord]

Perf

[earnest remnant]

its also most people that think that sub is like that do 0 dps

[vestal wren]

it is just a overused meme that was created by the community

that by now feels outdated, i don't get the entire idea behind it

[polar cape]

Cata sub was hard huurr duurr or something

[vestal wren]

it was created mostly by our outlaw boys in SL because you did drop rupture early and in mass aoe drop snd too

you keep using rupture now, and use secret tech so it is a bit more complicated than that

still means subtlety has the lowest amount of builders it uses in aoe

it only has shuriken storm as builder
assassinaiton has garrote and fan of knives
outlaw has pistol shot and ambush

[uncut echo]

@vestal wren shadowstrike in Aoe for danse

?

[vestal wren]

not with 8 targets

or 20

[uncut echo]

O

Lmao

[storm belfry]

Lol

[thorn fjord]

Finally got around to playing sub

Spec feels weird

Incomplete

Like it’s good and the rotation isn’t bad but it just feels hollow

[storm belfry]

Sub has always bored me but I do think I like their ability animations the most

[vestal wren]

all 3 specs have the majority of their damage in 4-5 abilities:
subtelty: storm - BP - rupture- secret
outlaw: dispatch - sinister strike - pistol shot - ambush - (between the eyes)
assassination: fok - rupture - garrote - envenom - (crimson tempest=

[storm belfry]

And the sounds are nice

[thorn fjord]

SL had some really fun sub moments

[uncut echo]

Spec feels great

Best sub has been outside of gloom spam imo

Not a fan of gloom gloom gloom forever

[thorn fjord]

Nah I liked flag sub a lot

[uncut echo]

Flag sub was great

[vestal wren]

you can play flag just fine

if you like it

[thorn fjord]

You can

[storm belfry]

Yeah flag sub was great but still felt sleeper in m+

[thorn fjord]

But it doesn’t feel the same

[vestal wren]

thats because we don't have obedience

[storm belfry]

[thorn fjord]

It was the best spec S3 SL

[thorn fjord]

Exactly

[storm belfry]

I meant sleeper as in boring (personally)

[thorn fjord]

I enjoyed it a lot

[vestal wren]

i mean, i don't argee that subtlety feels hollow

but i agree that it feels incomplete

[spice spire]

False

[vestal wren]

but this seems like a side effect of the tree basically having not a lot of synergy and direction

it was the best spec s3

for 2 weeks

[storm belfry]

Kekw

[thorn fjord]

I didn’t swap outlaw till the S4 shenanigans

But back to sub… it’s not bad as I originally thought it would be feel wise but it lacks something

Can’t pinpoint it

[vestal wren]

i think it has not a lot of fluff

kind of every ability you have has a very defined place in the rotation

symbols/shb feel a bit weak because they are

not as clear in effect like e.g. deathmark

[uncut echo]

Bring back obedience cd bake it into flag

I think would be goated

[vestal wren]

think it would make flag too strong

[thorn fjord]

Then replace another capstone with flag

[vestal wren]

i don't hate the current good talents, they have a nice dynamic

[thorn fjord]

I’d much rather have that tbh

If it had obedience

[vestal wren]

flagallation is a capstone

more or less

[uncut echo]

I think brew feels pointless

[thorn fjord]

Can replace a final cap with obedience

Or move flag further up

[vestal wren]

what they could do is put flag as the left capstone

also i think sepsis is bad in each of the specs

even on assassination that has the best interactions for it, its kinda meh

[thorn fjord]

It’s been 2 years since I’ve pressed sepsis lmao

[vestal wren]

but i think discussions like this would be vital if they plan to iterate on the tree

i honestly also feel like the assassination rotation isn't as exciting

[thorn fjord]

Both sin and OL have their identities… they need to figure out what subs is

[uncut echo]

They better plan on iterating it

[vestal wren]

so maybe there is room for improvements in gameplay/rotation on all 3 or at least sub/sin

[vestal wren]

thats true, but this is also reflected in the talent tree

[thorn fjord]

The sin rotation isn’t that bad but it sure as hell is convoluted

[vestal wren]

i wish they would revert the ER change

or maybe merge rc + er

[uncut echo]

If I had my way, I'd make exsang a circle of life and death

[thorn fjord]

I’d take er revert before fth revert 100%

[vestal wren]

merging ec + er and keeping the capstone rev does not even sound terrible

[uncut echo]

My biggest complaint with the class tree is how much necessary damage it has

[thorn fjord]

Hot take but I also think flag should be class tree and not spec

[vestal wren]

or merge rc + rev

[uncut echo]

Compared to lock, and mage

[vestal wren]

or bring back anima

[vestal wren]

idk if flag was that interessting rotaitonal outside of subtlety

like it was good

[storm onyx]

I enjoyed it as Assa

[vestal wren]

if anything, i think the left side on subtlety could be flag maybe

flag + obedience + scars

does not sound that bad

[uncut echo]

Dropping finality for perforated veins would be omegacringe

When we are 1 dancing rn

[vestal wren]

i rememeber a big discussion about it back in SL and most people felt forced to play it

even tho sepsis was fine too, it seemed like most would have liked to play sbs

[vestal wren]

ye idk, i think the current position of flag is good for talent diversity

but thats more a problem of talent positioning

[storm onyx]

current gaming mentality just marks anything that works as 'forced to play'

[uncut echo]

I think so too, but the strength / awkwardness of its timing is weird.

[vestal wren]

just like on assassination, you had KB on the old spot as a relevant option, and now with a diffrent positioning it became fairly irrelevant

[storm onyx]

If it was not Flag, some other thing was goinf to be top dmg, then ppl would say same

[vestal wren]

oh i agree

flag haste works well with exsangs haste snapshot too

[storm onyx]

yea

[vestal wren]

but opinion on exsang is also more split

[uncut echo]

God, exsang shouldve been made a 2 minute

[vestal wren]

i personally didn't mind it when hitting the dummy a bit

but i don't play sin enough to feel like my opinion should have high value

[storm onyx]

They dont want it to be baked in to every DM, then they would need to nerf some bleed dmg again or something

[uncut echo]

Nope, they should have deleted it when they had the chance.

[vestal wren]

i feel like they kept a lot of things that don't make sense

[frail rivet]

guys in single target damage, should I use ambush whenever I get it up or should I save it for when I have no energy? Since it costs no energy but does double the damage of mutilate im unsure

if its in the faq mybad..

[vestal wren]

just as a consequence of limited dev time

[uncut echo]

Was it limited dev time

[wind dune]

lol meanwhile hunter got changed every week for the last month

[uncut echo]

Because dh got the world and rogue got a single iteration

[wind dune]

dev time baby

[uncut echo]

Yeah, I don't know if that holds water

[vestal wren]

i mean yes, it soudned like realz even run out of time when designing the sub tree as 3rd

[storm onyx]

Personally I am happy about having flatyer dmg curve.. it brings consistency

Flatter**

[vestal wren]

and after the first iteration it took more than a month to come back to rogue and iterate

iteration time seemed fairly low after that

i don't say we didn't manage to impact the direction of the spec

and got some issues fixed

[storm onyx]

Blind side? dont hold it apart from very specific moments

[vestal wren]

but overall it felt like too little changed

[uncut echo]

Thar's fair. I'm just bitter we have busted talents still not fixed 3 months into the expansion.

[vestal wren]

and the rogue tree does also show this

[frail rivet]

oki thank

[vestal wren]

reality is, the impact of them is low

[uncut echo]

8% damage in dance is low impact

[vestal wren]

so in a "will you notice a diffrence" type of discussion you won't

[frail rivet]

So lets say the boss has more then 35% hp and you have full energy and mutilate procs an ambush. Do you use it or do you hold it?

[uncut echo]

I know, but having actual thruput talEnts NOT function sucks.

[vestal wren]

yes

but even if i could now decide between having ns fixed or focus on other bugs

i think the gameplay impacting ones are higher prio

[uncut echo]

I.e. acro?

[vestal wren]

like secret with acro yes

[uncut echo]

That one is terminal feelsbad

[vestal wren]

losing 10% of your damage just because you are not aware of a bug is brutal

[storm onyx]

If you are at a point of using Mutilate, you use the proc. if you need to refresh anything you hold. Main idea is you always try to avoid using Mutilate while the BlindSide is up. its free dmg.

[frail rivet]

Sorry I didnt understand, uuh cna you explain it better 😦

[wind dune]

if you need the combo points and have the proc ready use it unless you need to refresh dots

otherwise mutt away

[storm onyx]

BlindSide procs from Mutilate, if you hold it and use Mutilate instead, you are losing a possible proc. By resfresh; I mean the bleeds, debuffs you need to prevent dropping

[frail rivet]

Oh okay so you always use it no matter what except if other higher priorities are to be executed

got it right?

[storm onyx]

Yes, if you have 5+ CPs, you need to spend it before of course, to prevent CP loss

[neon kindle]

Tf wrong with acro? Is it the sec tech interaction?

[uncut echo]

Ye

[neon kindle]

Ah

[strange python]

Is it worth it to use empowered flask or isolation in raid or not at all since we arte moving aloot and also we are stacking aloot. But is simming 2k more on St than rage flask

[storm onyx]

Sims work as isolated cases. It assumes you are always alone, or you never move. Thus they over value those compared to realworld

[strange python]

So no point i guess if im moving and stacking

[royal lantern]

yes

its simbait

[storm onyx]

If you have only 2 melee in raid, than isolated might work )

Then again, not on every boss even...

[frail rivet]

oh also, does anyone have a Diurna aoe build if im put in the aoe group? zzz

I feel like IC could be of use

[spice spire]

Aoe group is uh less than ideal

Best advice would be to get out of it if possible

[frail rivet]

lmao

okay okayo

[spice spire]

Everything dies too quick and you’re stuck sting the big mob anyway

[frail rivet]

Does? Usually I had my mythic+ talent tree and everything died together wih my bleeds but I guess we never beat diurna so thats not an excuse for saying assa could be in the aoe group when the aoe group doesnt do damahe

okay, ty again fellow assasins

[sudden canyon]

God i fucking hate assassination

why do they make a spec that makes its impossible to pug with because tanks dont understand that 90% of ur garrote dmg comes from restealth

[royal lantern]

no

it doesnt

[brazen zodiac]

its not that bad

💃

[royal lantern]

when you have 3-4 ruptures out and the tank pulls the next pack

its good, cus you have scent of blood active

[sudden canyon]

never have vanish for boss because im always using it mid trash

[royal lantern]

and how is that bad?

holding cds is 1 of the biggest mistakes people do on all classes

when you have vanish and dm ready, you are supposed to use them lol

[winter gale]

Is 'Bleed w/o Exsang' build with Icon and Boon ok for Dathea Mythic if Im on 2/4 platform and we need my dmg too up there?

[royal lantern]

if you do platforms as assa, something is wrong

simple as that lol

[winter gale]

Everyone is doing it, it will be our 3rd reclear, I think one guy only is downthere non stop

[royal lantern]

i mean, you can, its just straight up objectively bad

and not "everyone is doing it" nobody does it

[winter gale]

I meant everyone in my raid. we have 2 grps of 8

Only Survival Hunter is down non stop and I dont know the reasons tbh

[royal lantern]

can tell you why, 99% of raidleaders are bad at it and dont know what they are doing at all

like yeha, send the assa rogue up, so he can put 1-2 bleeds out, do 1-2 envenoms for a insane total of 20k dmg and then the platform is over

[winter gale]

I am 2nd and 4th kick and to make something out of it I play without Exsang as its not so easy to allign that all

And boon

Save cds for up and that's what I can do I feel

[pure moth]

My guilds only got a night of prog. Im on platforms and beating aoe classes. Its kinda funny

[royal lantern]

how

just how

[winter gale]

I did 50 parse on reclear

[royal lantern]

are they not using a single aoe ability

[pure moth]

We have a lock that looks like they are taking a break on platforms

Theres gaps in casting once up there

[royal lantern]

what, destro can be #1 on platforms with cd's lol

[winter gale]

Icon + Boon or Controller + Boon if I am doing platforms was my original question

[royal lantern]

and platforms is all about having cd's assinged

[sudden canyon]

because its unneccessary to use it going into a pack just because the tank couldnt wait a second to let you get a RE. its wasted

[pure moth]

Our desto lock is bottom

[winter gale]

I think I should just f**k off those things and use CD's when ready

[royal lantern]

well yes, bad tanks cant chainpull, congratz, that fucks everyone

its not worse for assa then it is for other classes or specs lol

like, a demolock probs losses more cus all their ramp is gone, a spriest loses all insanity generation etc.....

tanks cant chainpull cus they think chainpull means "pull a new pack when the current pack is at 5%health" is old news, and all dps suffer under that

[royal lantern]

yeha, you have a shit destro then

or somone that doesnt understand what "Hold cd's for platform" means

[pure moth]

Facts

[sudden canyon]

i think i just run shadow dance and call it a day

[strange python]

why is tea on shiv in the exsang opener? is it for the mastery? because I don't need energy at that point

[royal lantern]

ye, mastery

otherwhise we would also waste a entire tea charge over the fight, cus you would use your first tea for energy only WAY later

its the typical "lets get everything running once"

[strange python]

gotcha ty ❤️

[static glacier]

wierd question

does death mark sometimes generate combo points?

[gusty mirage]

because it duplicates an empowered garrote

so you get the cp from shrouded

[static glacier]

ah

fair

[empty tangle]

guys what should i craft next, i already got the lariat

[tacit oracle]

Dag

[frail rivet]

aaaa why doesnt afenar's wa have ambush in it

[drifting cloud]

it .. does?

[spare crow]

it does.

[frail rivet]

i dont have it

where is it

is it in Rogue[Dynamic] ?

[slow marsh]

It's the blindside icon not ambush maybe is why

[drifting cloud]

yes its called blindside

but unless you have the setting disabled default ui tells you about the proc

with whatever the hell appears around your char

[frail rivet]

oh okayo

ill try to just move it on the main bar(?)

okay it just pops when it happens I can guesss

[lucid mirage]

@empty tangle Flaring Cowl

[sudden canyon]

i feel like i forget to press SBS alot and it just sits at 3 charges. In SL id use it alot more because it felt like free low energy juice when i pressed shiv but now with Thistle Tea id always rather press mutilate than SBS.

[lucid mirage]

Can I come some advice on M Sennarth opener, im a little lost on where to place dots. I'm holding 2 minutes for second add but other than that im kidna just winging it

[strange python]

Holding CDs or dots?

[lucid mirage]

Just DM+vanish mostly

[strange python]

So CDs.

I would send it on the boss on CD. If your guild is having issues killing the add in time it's usually someone's fault other than the sin rogue

You could alternatively go outlaw or sub if you're having issues, but having a sin rogue send DM into an add that shouldn't live the full duration of DM is a big waste of having a sin rogue

[wind totem]

Hey guys how do you handle the winds on Raz mythic as a sin rogue? I assume sprint isn't enough, but is a shadowstep by itself enough ?

[drifting cloud]

yeah, 1 is enough and you have 2 as sin

[thorny aurora]

Hey, how do you use CDs on Sennarth MM?

Do you hold vanish+DM for an extra minute for 3rd spider add

Or use on CD?