assassination

[balmy condor]

[regal sable]

oh and

[gaunt moat]

which chart is that hah, cause in the overall 95% they published sin is lower

[regal sable]

thanks @vestal wren @balmy condor

[vestal wren]

90%tile mythic overall

like

i would say wcl this tier is fairly missleading

in terms of power of specs

[balmy condor]

I may have not saved the imports for these sims

[grim jay]

Meanwhile me sitting like 1.8k lower bcs 2x crafted dagger and heroic ring club

[gaunt moat]

steal from fuu

[balmy condor]

bro I lowkey didn't even want second dagger

[nocturne current]

What's the icon alternative for Exsang.

[vestal wren]

had this happen to me in s4, was one day late to re-sim because i assumed it was 30 day till they expire

[balmy condor]

yeh I think it happened to me with tier sims in s3 as well

but unlike you, I decide to make the same mistake again

[vestal wren]

was only dungeon slice tho, so it wasn't as bad

[balmy condor]

more work for myself

[vestal wren]

you can just take the profiles from

!sheet

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[grim jay]

Mh dagger is like 1k alone feelsbadman

[vestal wren]

[grim jay]

Never lucky with weapons

[balmy condor]

yeh

probably the quickest way to yoink all the gear and stuff

[balmy condor]

yeh mainhand big, but hold on real quick

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/bvkTvaNkSDssS82jo3jpes

look at this shit

[vestal wren]

crafted gear and regular gear copy/pasta

[balmy condor]

offhand dagger

literal 0

[vestal wren]

should include sigils for darkmoon

[balmy condor]

oh sick

my original sims didn't have those anyway

[sharp ore]

I almost had an anxiety attack yesterday when running some m+ and feeling like I could do no damage. Large packs died too quickly for the big dots and cooldowns like IC to do much and the smaller, but tougher packs are generally running out of IC time and then damage dips really bad. How do you deal with fortified weeks in general? Is this a common issue and is there a way to kind of mitigate how frustrating it can be?

[vestal wren]

i mean

even with sigil

its not like you would use them on assassination

[grim jay]

Did get 421 Box tho.

Kinda more of an upgrade over 415 than I thought

[gaunt moat]

@balmy condor intresting boots you've got there

[vestal wren]

idol does not sim terrible for m+

[balmy condor]

the bigger packs just gotta take the IC energy and spam env/CT before things die, the smaller longer packs you make sure you got dots rolling after the IC drops to maintain your energy, and then same deal, just envenom away in cleave, bit more on the CT side in aoe

[balmy condor]

yeh, week 1 vault things

those were from uh

+17 or whatever

[gaunt moat]

wait what?

[balmy condor]

cause 20's week 1 were pain

[gaunt moat]

it's not a mistake?

[balmy condor]

no

I mean the upgrade level is bugged

but that's just a pair of vault boots

[gaunt moat]

ah

[sharp ore]

Thank you. I guess it's just quite rough?

[grim jay]

Hc Eranog Ring week1 saved my low m+ slots

[balmy condor]

sin aoe is considerably worse than the other two specs, and generally really low compared to the rest of the games offerings

in raids for example, sending an assassination rogue onto add packs is generally considered pretty troll

most just glue to the boss and live their lives that way

[balmy condor]

in game for example they don't have the upgrade stuff

but I'm guessing that's just how wowhead has to parse it into raidbots for the logic everywhere to work or whatever

funky tooltip stuff

[sharp ore]

I know. I just... Mostly enjoy raiding, I do fairly well with my group, and we're only at the end of heroic anyways. It's just the specc I enjoy. So when I try to compliment my gear with M+ gear I feel like I'm letting people down. I tried outlaw again, and I couldn't get it to click really.

[balmy condor]

would suggest maybe trying subtlety

the stats are basically equal to sins

and it's not difficult right now either

pretty easy to pick up

[sharp ore]

,> Scary. But I guess I can try.

[earnest remnant]

sub is piss ez to play

u got it

[sharp ore]

I always found sub really weird in earlier expansions.

[vestal wren]

haha, rly like the animation

just give yourself a bit of time to learn the spec

[sharp ore]

But maybe it's worth giving it a proper sho?

[vestal wren]

should click fast and then its quite enjoyable

[balmy condor]

it took me way longer to make that than I want to admit

like, an embarrassing amount of time

[sharp ore]

any major things to think about when transitioning from sin?

[grim jay]

That gif doesnt include our superior rupture

[vestal wren]

done in after effects or on a website?

[earnest remnant]

anybody need broodkeeper daggers?

[nocturne current]

You're having issues in m+?

[vestal wren]

sure, send it per mail

[sharp ore]

for sure. At least during fortified weeks.

[earnest remnant]

this sucker dropped last night

[balmy condor]

uh, there's a bongocat website where I did the inputs, then recording of my screen from obs, then davinci resolve and some screenshots from wowhead skills overlayed

[nocturne current]

I can help you with some stuff if you want

[sharp ore]

want.

[grim jay]

You could add some small ruptures on the table sprinkled in to make it more accurate tho

[vestal wren]

if you want to only record a small part of your screen, i found sharex is quite good as a alternative to obs

but big + for using resolve

[balmy condor]

the first one is a rupture

[balmy condor]

https://tenor.com/view/animation-is-my-pasion-bad-animation-funny-animation-ms-paint-animation-drag-animation-gif-22479492

[vestal wren]

most ppl i know don't want to use resolve because its not as intuitive as adobe or apple software

[grim jay]

Oh didnt see mb

[nocturne current]

Just PM me the major things you're struggling and your armory link and I'll give a few pointers on what I can, should do good up to 22's/23's

[earnest remnant]

i used to live inside vegas pro and AE, but lost my license to them after i stopped working with it, and ive been to lazy to get them the way

so ive been on the lookout for vid editor software for some time that i actually like using

[balmy condor]

I worked on a project in uni doing audio for a virtual reality presentation for a local museum. The film department that we worked with for the visuals and stuff used davinci so I picked up some basics there

[vestal wren]

ah nice

resolve is basically the best you can get and its free stealthi

i use it for all my renders/videos too

[balmy condor]

I wish I learned more from them

but having to edit 300 interviews

uh

took a while

[vestal wren]

it is just, fairly complicated compared to adobe or final cut

thats why almost all youtubers stick with one of these

[earnest remnant]

i shall check it out

[vestal wren]

(but the movie industry is fairly big on it, most of the series you see on netflix are edited using it)

[earnest remnant]

gonna start posting, speed kill videos i think, since im bored in my spare time and need a new hobby other than not sleeping

[balmy condor]

gotta clickbait them though, WORLD RECORD MYTHIC SENNARTH SPEED

[earnest remnant]

ofc

[balmy condor]

RANK 1 EXECUTION PARSE

(I don't know what execution parses are)

[earnest remnant]

RANK 1 HEALING SUB ROGUE

HEALERS DONT WANT YOU TO KNOW THIS TRICK

[nocturne current]

10 REASONS WHY YOU ARE EXSANGUINATING WRONG

[balmy condor]

#7 WILL SHOCK YOU

[drifting cloud]

just least deaths and followed by least dmg taken so makes sense you wouldnt know

[nocturne current]

haha

[drifting cloud]

[balmy condor]

[gaunt moat]

TOP 10 PACKS TO USE ARTERTIAL PRECISION ON

[balmy condor]

our diurna reclear was clean as hell I have you know

see

clean

[drifting cloud]

why you dieing

[balmy condor]

didn't have cloak

[vestal wren]

just wait

rank 1 in a month will all do the pre pull shananigans, shadowlands edition

[balmy condor]

no more prepulls fuu

please

mercy

[drifting cloud]

oh did you get gibbed by the wildfire + shorud combo threw cheat

I love that one

[balmy condor]

mayhaps

[drifting cloud]

that killed me like 2-3 pulls in a row during prog when I had to save cloak to soak

I was so mad

[balmy condor]

I have to save cloak for the 7:30ish thingy

with the soak shroud

[vestal wren]

alright, then ill keep the potion extender pre pull stategies to myself

[balmy condor]

and then the 8:30 overlap cucks me

[drifting cloud]

or wait maybe thats the one youre talking about

because timings are weird depending if you do fast p1 or slow p1

[balmy condor]

yeah there's like a tank soak into lasers into shroud

[earnest remnant]

imagine not playing a spec that can just press vanish whenever they feel like it and be fine

[balmy condor]

this was actual feedback I got on my raid tips page

"should recommend vanishing the shroud"

and I just went

"no"

[earnest remnant]

yeh no

[balmy condor]

[vestal wren]

wait

hear me out

[gaunt moat]

On broodkeeper whenever i got hit by wildfire, i didn't see my health go down, so i thhought "it's no big deal, can just stand in it"
end of night:

[drifting cloud]

think I actually saved it once as assa (dont tell anyone)

[vestal wren]

^ see, subtlety raid buff

[balmy condor]

has anyone actually specced into that

just out of curiosity

[vestal wren]

no

[earnest remnant]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4gYMmFtmvHBk1GJPRShcPy
damn my assa gear really do be simming almost 3k higher than my sub

[balmy condor]

that's what I thought

[cobalt hemlock]

last podcast 3 months ago i guess there isnt enought to talk about? also how did assa rogue go from best rtwf class into the absolute bottom in dmg

[magic vine]

its even worse than you think because you have to take like the 2nd worst talent in the tree to get it

[vestal wren]

i mean

its kind of... telling

many dead talents

[balmy condor]

the rotten

[gaunt moat]

How are you guys getting sims that high, i'm simming for 82k 🥲

[balmy condor]

[vestal wren]

oh ye, i got some optimizations for it in #1065728795455266888

another 0.2% dps or so on it

100% make it good

[balmy condor]

seli's been swamped with raider.io stuff lately

[balmy condor]

giga

only like 5.5% to go or whatever

[earnest remnant]

well if you look at my gear, that might explain it

[vestal wren]

one rotten build is not even that bad iirc

but ye like 5% probably behind

assassination has less dea talents i feel

i feel bad for

[balmy condor]

who are these people

[vestal wren]

^ like this i can understand

[balmy condor]

those talents aren't recommended anywhere

[vestal wren]

but fatas seems pmuch dead

[balmy condor]

who's using them

[vestal wren]

maybe using a old talent build

just never adjusted to changes

[balmy condor]

yeh I guess

[vestal wren]

fatal might be the same idk

not sure why people play it

TTB kind of ended up like expected

[magic vine]

"i have all this stuff that improves my poisons and i've got dtb giving me extra, it has to be good"

[gaunt moat]

i'm only 2 ilvls lower

[earnest remnant]

and im fully socketed

[vestal wren]

i think thats not even too bad of a thought, assassinaiton has quite a lot of damage in bleeds and poisons

[gaunt moat]

me too

[drifting cloud]

you simming with something disabled then?

unless you dont have eggnog ring and are missing enchant or something it shouldnt be that much lower

[magic vine]

my pet theory on ttb is that some producer or lead dev fucking loves the talent and won't let it die

[vestal wren]

@balmy condor

[balmy condor]

[gaunt moat]

running a sim now with everyone enabled, let's see what i get

other than "A network error occurred. Check your connectivity" which i keep getting

ah alright. WF was disabled.
that being said, i wish i could get to 85k in game.
i don't get close.

[vestal wren]

somehow

nobody switched to orc even tho orcs sim highest (only on assassination tho)

https://tenor.com/view/emmanuel-jdz-gif-24502401

[cobalt hemlock]

also just curious about how did assa go from the best spec into one of the worst. My raid lead said assa falls off but never seen it go from top to bottom maybe because the raid has a lot of adds? or idk maybe all players just play outlaw or sub

[vestal wren]

if you talk about wcl statistics

[magic vine]

harder for assa to pad

[vestal wren]

the mythic statistic did take quite a bit of time to get all figths in, so we always had a incomplete one

[drifting cloud]

15 other specs got buffed

[vestal wren]

also the raid is poorly designed for assassinations strenghs

[drifting cloud]

kb died in 10.0.5

[vestal wren]

while, single target is a strong point and execute, and you can make a argument for it being very important

overall the raid has multiple fights adds are not trivial/ignorable

[magic vine]

yea the 2min/3min split is awkward, and several of the fights have phase/add cycles that don't fit into those nicely

[vestal wren]

also nerfs did put assassination less noticable ahead of the other specs

start of xpac it was a lot more i fav. of assassination

[quasi pine]

arent thooses people the one that want to play KB?

[vestal wren]

that is basically also why all 3 rogue specs are so close, blizz did apply nerfs to us even if they overdid it

[quasi pine]

pretty sad if yes

[balmy condor]

how could assassination fall off in statistics if assassination SCALESSSSSSSSSS

[vestal wren]

what does to a degree also break our neck

is how balance is done

[raven knoll]

Why is assa first in heroic logs and last in mythic logs? Why is there such a huge difference?

[vestal wren]

basically they did buff other classes by high amounts of damage

[royal lantern]

it only scales when we get dracthyr rogues

smh

[vestal wren]

shooting up way above what was before the "best option"

[balmy condor]

adds on heroic get obliterated in 2 seconds

no one can pad

[royal lantern]

kill timers and you ignore adds

[raven knoll]

understandable

[magic vine]

fights are diff on heroic

[balmy condor]

it's just boss boss boss on heroic

and a lot higher burst

and those are two things that assassination happens to do fairly okay

[vestal wren]

^ then more single target/low target cleave the raid is design wise then stronger assassination is

[cobalt hemlock]

making fun of the feral in the raid now im budget feral Sadge

[royal lantern]

the problem is: mythic raiding is not "pure single target all bosses" since mythic is a thing

cus that would be shit

[balmy condor]

I might actually have to play sub on raz prog tbh

[gaunt moat]

you'd think unholy would be better on heroic

[royal lantern]

oof

[balmy condor]

the talks have started

about intermission prep

[royal lantern]

wow, our faq is done by a sub main again?????

[balmy condor]

assa intermission damage is so fucking bad man

it's unreal

[magic vine]

i think sin really needs one of the mid tree abilities moved to baseline and ic moved up, so its possible to get aoe without a capstone

[balmy condor]

just CT baseline would already be a good step

and then put another fok talent in its place

since flying daggers can hardly be considered a fok talent

[magic vine]

like ct baseline and ic in ct's spot would be fine to me

[balmy condor]

15% damage conditional on 5+ target

[vestal wren]

i have a idea

[random fossil]

That would be foking good

Haha

[balmy condor]

||echoing blades||

[balmy condor]

oh

[royal lantern]

why not both?

[balmy condor]

that is also a thing

I hate it

but it is a thing

[royal lantern]

hidden blades as a new capstone pls

[balmy condor]

blizzard apparently liked it enough to give it to us as an option for 3 fucking expansions

[vestal wren]

isn't it a established assassinaiton spell

[balmy condor]

so seems reasonable

[vestal wren]

was on the tree for 2 xpacs

[balmy condor]

legion legendary before that

[vestal wren]

i know

[balmy condor]

just can't get rid of hidden blades

[little light]

I hate tracking stacking stuff

[vestal wren]

we asked the devs to purge it

[balmy condor]

[vestal wren]

^^

[drifting cloud]

do you have 2dhs?

[royal lantern]

i mean, it litearlly is just "fok does 20% more dmg" lmao

[little light]

I guess xD

[balmy condor]

yeh but they're both trials and one is on bench for raz

[drifting cloud]

hmm, so other one is probably gonna be red side

[little light]

my mind will always try to min max it somehow and feel bad

[drifting cloud]

unless you have aoe pumper on blue its gonna be spicy without dh

[balmy condor]

this is comp right now, with a prot pal coming in to replace the guardian druid

[vestal wren]

feral and enh

nice

[balmy condor]

ayysha cranks real hard

[magic vine]

still better than flying

[vestal wren]

ngl feral is kinda nice atm

[balmy condor]

she was top overall on diurna today

[drifting cloud]

we actually swapped like 2-3 dps on blue this week - dh, and I went sub from first pull and it still somehow wasnt working so we had to bring our dh from red

then it was cake

so I guess our other dh was just carrying us all along

[balmy condor]

I wish I didn't die 1:30 before the kill every time

[pastel onyx]

[balmy condor]

look at this shit man

wtf is that

[little light]

big

[balmy condor]

it's like a cum stain

fucking 25

[drifting cloud]

tuesday log padder

[little light]

np just crop the image

ez

[pastel onyx]

pog Whispyr so gud

[drifting cloud]

wait whispyr

[royal lantern]

just stay alive bro, its easy

[balmy condor]

fixed

[drifting cloud]

best buddies on kurog

[vestal wren]

fixed it for you

[balmy condor]

[vestal wren]

def. legit and not 1 minute paint shop

[little light]

perfectly edited fuu

pixel

[vestal wren]

pixel perfect i know

[balmy condor]

2 kills on diurna, best parse 100, median parse 19

math checks out

[raven knoll]

green parser is a guide writer smh my head

[balmy condor]

real

[pastel onyx]

now I understand why the guy doubted his opinion on rogues survivability

[magic vine]

lol

[pastel onyx]

[royal lantern]

green Parser AND submain, somone told me he plays sub on raz

smh my head

[pastel onyx]

Whispyr dies 1:30 before the boss kill = rogues are squishy

[royal lantern]

warlock moment

[balmy condor]

[cobalt hemlock]

why vulpera

[balmy condor]

because I'm a furry

[cobalt hemlock]

makes sence i guess

[royal lantern]

📸

[cobalt hemlock]

i thought you lost a bet or something

[balmy condor]

nah I just got sick of belf after 4 expacs of belf

vulpera cute

[royal lantern]

+camp is bis racial

[vestal wren]

tauren are cute as well

or orcs 😏

[gaunt moat]

fuu you need a timeout.

[cobalt hemlock]

nah fuu is based

[gaunt moat]

stop encouraging him.

[balmy condor]

lightforged draenei looking thick as hell man

[cobalt hemlock]

definitely better than vulpera

[gaunt moat]

not wrong

[vestal wren]

added bonus is you are clop clopping around as a living flashlight

[cobalt hemlock]

lmao

[balmy condor]

super stealthy

[magic vine]

i do wish blizz would stick a couple artists on adding in cosmetic options for all the races to fill them out to have even half as many as humans do

[vestal wren]

sneak 100

[magic vine]

just add in a handful every patch

[royal lantern]

wdym, highmointain tauren having incredible 5 or 6hair options is SICK

[cobalt hemlock]

actual tech for the stun bombs on raza i didnt even think of that before race

[balmy condor]

yeah some people for like early week 1-2 prog for the race swapped tauren for stomp

super cursed tech

reminded me of the old goblin rocket jump tech for mythic kil'jaeden

[vestal wren]

wait, i only knew about the boots cheese

didn't think about that

[royal lantern]

tbf, that was less a tech, and more "priests and warlocks could litearlly only do this fight as goblin, get fucked again alliance, we dont care about you anymore"

early mythic KJ was cursed

[vestal wren]

haha tryan had my back, was about to say the same

also i love how DH literally can't die on the fight

[cobalt hemlock]

i find it extremly funny how aliance was so bad so people went back prior expansion and got hall of fame for allience

[vestal wren]

aliance was never rly bad

its just that the entire raiding community is horde

[royal lantern]

its not that alliance is bad, blizz just created a problem and let it grow out of controll

[vestal wren]

so no reason to make your recruitement pool worse by switching fractions

[royal lantern]

like, 50% of horde raiders now where alliance once lol

[cobalt hemlock]

well its kinda half fixed now at least

[vestal wren]

its not fixed before cross fraction guilds work well

[cobalt hemlock]

but yeah when i do key and 4 horde people join idk how cursed it would be before the change

[vestal wren]

we are atm in the process of "getting almost there" in terms of implementation

but this is luckily the spot blizz likes to stop at

[royal lantern]

i was alliance until nyalotha BfA

when you wanted to do a +16for weekly, it was like 2-4 keys avaible at 8pm

[limpid moth]

have there been any dance assasa builds discovered that obv wont be BiS but can still preform like maybe within 5-10 percent of BiS?

[royal lantern]

dance and assa is gonna be weird rn mate sorry

too many dead talent points

[balmy condor]

5 to 10% is a big range

you can just drop the middle column and take the route down into dance

that's 5 to 10%

[cobalt hemlock]

why play assa dance woudnt it be better to play sub then?

i mean if you think its fun good for you just saying

[balmy condor]

woudnt it be better to play sub anything else

[cobalt hemlock]

thats sadly true

[jade abyss]

Better we all play Hunter

[royal lantern]

the only thing im hunting is deez nuts

[grim jay]

Sometimes I miss our discord when I'm on other classdiscords

People arguing for hours about melee supremacy and how it sucks specs arent tailored to 15s and instead some are only good on 20+

[balmy condor]

what's your favorite flavor of crayon

I like the lime ones

[royal lantern]

purple has the best taste

[grim jay]

I had one that had a really pretty grey colour to it

That was the best

[subtle tundra]

thanks nayuta

[little light]

red one cause exanguinate ofc

[jade abyss]

i must say from all class discords this here is the best one

[quasi pine]

Real

[little light]

Realz?

[quasi pine]

Rizz??

Real (but with rizz)

[jade abyss]

jizz? :o

[copper hazel]

[misty holly]

I just saw the wowhead raid rankings. Is Assassination the worst spec in the game now?

[little light]

yes facts, the bars never lie

[misty holly]

Even Elemental Shaman ahead of us 😮

[little light]

if your bar is smaller then just bad spec

:p

[misty holly]

ty, that's what I was thinking too.

[turbid heath]

Assassination has been the worst spec in the game since hitting Waking Shores, can't even kill fire elementals. We've just been riding a wave because rogues are a cool class that everyone wants to play tbh

[little light]

I havent really check the numbers behind the rankings right now but prob a mix of encounter design and class representation

[misty holly]

tbh I usually avoid the fire elementals. I thought they were just overtuned.

[little light]

and unecessary extra nerfs to sin at the beginning of the patch

[turbid heath]

I do think they were quite premature tbh

[little light]

if I remember correctly it was the 5% to all specs + ER nerf which only sin uses

[grim jay]

I always quit arena/bg matches if there is a shammy summoning fire ele

After experiencing 60 struggle

[turbid heath]

I think only fire ele we can kill ATM is the "m a s s i v e f i r e e l e m e n t a l" as khadgar would say

[storm belfry]

what phial do you guys use in m+?

[turbid heath]

Vers cause I'm a bb

[storm belfry]

i was using that cause wasnt sure what else. is corrupting rage any good?

[grim jay]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[grim jay]

Woah

I found sims of phials on accident

While looking at whispyrs simsheet

[storm belfry]

says not recommended

[quasi pine]

Must have been the wind

[storm belfry]

didn't know about it, thanks.

[grim jay]

Its generally updated

So you can always check there

Tepid vers has added defensive value tho

[turbid heath]

I'd always recommend vers in m+ to help out ur lil resto dudu

Or lizardbois

[subtle kiln]

excuse me I identify with

[grim jay]

What about our waterbending dudes and dudettes

[gusty mirage]

Feral Druid

[marble hemlock]

This is just an experiment, in 2 weeks we will ban everyone who came out in support of exsanguinate

[grim jay]

Feral druid buffs on ptr. Soon people, soon

[gusty mirage]

Ban me instead

[grim jay]

End his misery

[gusty mirage]

[marble hemlock]

I'll love you instead

[gusty mirage]

[hollow river]

[wind dune]

And the fatal concoction talent nerf And the poison bomb nerf lol

[gusty mirage]

And the exsang nerf

[wind dune]

Yea

Forgot that kne

One lol

[gusty mirage]

[wind dune]

[grim jay]

Make exsang greater again

[gusty mirage]

I rememba when exsang was 400%

[dawn kelp]

Make PB great again

[gusty mirage]

Oh

And kingsbane disappearing

Did we mention that

[wind dune]

Kingswho?

[gusty mirage]

Exactly

[wind dune]

I pray to ap now

[grim jay]

My proposal is DTB baseline so we take kb

[wind dune]

[gusty mirage]

It’s okay, we’d still do less ST damage than BM hunter and frost mage

[hollow river]

45 second CD ✅ 300% DoT speed ✅ Garrote go brr ✅ my sanity? ❌❌❌

[grim jay]

Yeah so we have the same variance as gamba enh

[subtle kiln]

you’re not wrong.

[gusty mirage]

[grim jay]

And the worst out of all feral models even

No jk

Base models are worse

[subtle kiln]

ive got the legion stuff as well. the big fiery blob is useful for seeing my toon

[earnest remnant]

atleast you do more single target than my spec

thats the price you can get

[wind dune]

Lol like less then 2k dps or someshit. Insane we do so much more st

[earnest remnant]

didn't say it was a good price

[grim jay]

Inflation is high

Still paying the same price so you get less

[subtle kiln]

assa just not hitting crit and haste break points. spec is fine.

[grim jay]

Did you say

Scaling ?

[earnest remnant]

dont let whispyr see that

[subtle kiln]

historically accurate that assa scales well with gear and ilvl.

source: youtube

[uncut echo]

Yeah I think it's a reroll angle for me

Had a whole night of m kurog prog and playing my heart out to be bottom dps is trash

[grim jay]

Depends on how much you hate yourself

You could play fury aswell

I mean outlaw

[uncut echo]

I have a DH I swapped off

No fuck outlaw

My dh has 421 icon and box, swapping back would be painless

[grim jay]

I did fine on sub aswell tho

Dont join the dark side

[strange python]

Do I garrote 3x after vanish, or only on opening?

[subtle tundra]

I mean, sure, you might be last on dps but the add dies too fast anyway and dmg on it doesn't matter

[uncut echo]

It FEELS horrible

[subtle tundra]

Idk

I'm not a details warrior

[uncut echo]

Im not either

[subtle tundra]

Can't help you

[uncut echo]

But explaining to my guild that I'm actually doing fine

Sucks

Bc they're details warriors

[grim jay]

Arent you raiding with whispyr

[subtle tundra]

Idk I played assa on kurog and it was fine

Sure the raid leader wasn't happy that I wasn't outlaw

[uncut echo]

No. I'm not

I wish, but no

[subtle tundra]

But me being outlaw wouldn't have made the prog faster

We were wiping to enrage

And outlaw isn't more st

[uncut echo]

Ooof

[grim jay]

Yeah I'd just bear with it. Maybe you have the same issue later that varas had

[ebon notch]

Assa is unironically decent on that fight

How come you're bottom DPS?

Do you have any logs we can look at?

[royal lantern]

probs cus he only does boss+big elemental

and the rest goes bigbrain aoe for small adds

[ebon notch]

I mean outlaw does good damage cause they pad like crazy

[sweet dawn]

I played IC on Eranog mythic clear last night by accident and parsed 96 for ilvl, accidents can be nice sometimes

[vestal wren]

assa is on par with outlaw on two target cleave, and thats most of the fight isn't it?

[earnest remnant]

u seen what people do now on the fight for parsing?

[vestal wren]

👀 what cursed thing did they come up with?

[wind dune]

lol right forgot assa lost its "niche" of 2 target cleave to outlul

[earnest remnant]

they just ignore the soak mechanic which spawns small shitters, so you just have perm AoE in 1st phase

[uncut echo]

Ye

[vestal wren]

haha nice

<insert rotating pepe gif>

[uncut echo]

Nah idk it's just incredibly tilting that rogues have fundamental bugs that aren't being addressed. Broken talents. We got a first pass talent tree and gigaslumped on

It's so depressing

[vestal wren]

assassination got a 2nd iteration on the tree

that made it worse

so not sure we should be sad or happy that we didn't see more change

[uncut echo]

You know what I mean though, Fuu

Like, call it envy bc it is

[strange python]

And law lost 4 target to sub, so that’s that

[uncut echo]

But watching afflocks get EXACTLY what they want, mages get turbofixed

Spriests becoming god incarnate

[ebon notch]

Padding on the 4 mobs that spawn in earth phase as well as the smallies in intermission is not something assa can do

But it is something outlaw can do very well

[uncut echo]

Yeah I keep up til p2

[vestal wren]

sub/outlaw can ye

[uncut echo]

P2 I fall off the face of the earth

[strange python]

If your raidlead isn’t able to identify the pad and judges you on overall, the problem isn’t the spec but your raidlead

[vestal wren]

the problem is overall balance will for the most part be assumed on overall wcl statistics

and many of the players, even tho they know better, still will talk about damage meter placement

[dark garnet]

Point to damage dealt to boss

[ebon notch]

Do you have any logs

[vestal wren]

i think we had a similar discussion earlier today. I think the wcl statistic is just fairly missleading

[strange python]

Yeah, I don’t mind people fn around on farm but if you’re RL has no clue on that during progress, you kinda fight a battle you can’t win

[vestal wren]

but also the raid design is not exactly good for assassination

[uncut echo]

I do but they're shit

I played like dogshit and gigatilted after being told to do more

[strange python]

I hate the wowhead raid tier lists they shit out on a weekly basis with a passion, looking at aggregates without context makes my brain hurt

[little light]

they have to farm clicks somehow, tho I suspect those posts aint that hot anymore

[vestal wren]

tbh i think it just generates a lot of traffic

simialr to tier lists

as much as we say those metrics are not great, they work extremely well for clickbait / views

[strange python]

You had moonkin being perceived as like 2 tiers above everyone else just because they had one beneficial encounter skewing the overall, while at the same time being low on like 6 fights

Yeah it’s traffic

Like one ptr update release they create 6 new posts, more clicks makes them more

[little light]

yeah the breaking down of things is why I barely check wowhead anymore its just convoluted

[uncut echo]

If y'all wanna tear apart my kurog feel free

[vestal wren]

to be fair i think the quality of posts on wowhead got better

so its not all bad

[uncut echo]

But I called wipes so I always died first

[vestal wren]

search engine optimization and similar def. make any of the bigger websites extremely appealing

[uncut echo]

Wowhead was unnavigatable for me

[little light]

quality maybe but the necessity of covering a quota of posts daily/weekly makes for a lot of uninteresting content

[grim jay]

The issue is mostly what people take away from the data they get presented

[little light]

its just filler

[grim jay]

Not the data itself

[vestal wren]

thats all media

[little light]

sure, still bad :p

[vestal wren]

basically you want to have as much "news" as possible

[little light]

I understand why its done, but it eventually burns the audience which is the opposite of what you want

[vestal wren]

and there is a lot of "niche" things on wowhead i am happy get attention

i get what you say, good defaults and easy filtering is key

[little light]

I would say, just produce less content but more appealing

but that is uncompatible with the internet

[uncut echo]

!logreview

[prisma monolith]

Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage

Link: https://wowanalyzer.com/

[uncut echo]

Oh yuge

[vestal wren]

i can open you a thread ^^

just need to post the log

[uncut echo]

Only if you want

They're absolutely piss tier

[vestal wren]

i personally won't review it given that i don't feel like i have enough practice on assassinaiton to be of great help

still can open the thread

[uncut echo]

Oki

[grim jay]

We review beginnerlogs mostly

And mostly are happy to help

[uncut echo]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/TZYXc73anH6Jtrjv/

[grim jay]

We've seen it all

[uncut echo]

I know I fucked up a few exsangs

I exsanged a dm and overwrote a rmp garrote b4

[vestal wren]

you can start with wowanalyszer to cover the basics

[thorn fjord]

41% on brood last night

Getting close

[gusty mirage]

[brazen zodiac]

💃

[quasi pine]

how many eggs left?

[carmine dawn]

What’s the opener from no stealth

I swear I fucked up my p3 opener 9/10 times

Do I pop on a garret then just overwrite with the vanished one after DM
(Maybe I should read tooltips?)

[woeful meteor]

If you have eggs left at 40% you are running some insane strat

[subtle tundra]

on rasz?

[bold drum]

eggs should be done around 50 ish iirc cant recall our phase number

[subtle tundra]

you can pre-dot rasz before the phase

and go into p3 with max duration bleeds

🙂

[carmine dawn]

But that’s still not an empowered garrote

[subtle tundra]

i mean yea

and then when you get down

you vanish garrote

[carmine dawn]

Same issue applies, would you just overwrite the shit garrote when you pop DM?

[subtle tundra]

yea i would

[carmine dawn]

Ok that’s what I started doing

[subtle tundra]

boss is still dr'd for like a sec or two at the start

[carmine dawn]

Still pulled 89 p3

Decent

Wait no I mean 79?

Whatever, overwriting is fine thanks

[subtle tundra]

idk what those numbers mean

gl

[frigid pilot]

sub putting rogues on the map since 1997

[vestal wren]

the fight is rly good for sub ye

[uncut echo]

I hate not playing first dance tbh

[limber lion]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[dreamy gull]

Is there a new exsang build

Or something

[limber lion]

nope

[limpid ermine]

is that a new icon? 👀

[spice spire]

Yes

[limpid ermine]

looks good

[verbal lark]

How does Assassation compare to other rogue specs rn?

[limber lion]

They're all pretty similar

They're fine

Not super great, not terrible either

[uncut echo]

Exceptionally

Mid

[limpid ermine]

bro went and pasted the same question in every channel 😅

[verbal lark]

Nah theyre diff question

Didnt want any bias

So i asked all in case

Cross referencing

Bad idea to crowd source from a small group esp with bias being a thing

[spice spire]

Fair point, but that’s also asked in a rogue discord where bias will naturally happen

[little light]

to get a proper unbiased result you should ask everyone of us in a dm

[normal mist]

Nah man, i only accept dms of people offering me help to cap my vault

[little light]

short 5 questions to avoid random results

xD

[limpid ermine]

random dms with a sus link to a survey? Im down

[little light]

its the only way

to get that data

[normal mist]

"what's your favourite colour and why do you play X spec rogue?"

[little light]

the only way to know if assassination sucks or not

[thorn fjord]

Spoiler alert

it sucks

[little light]

sadge

[normal mist]

Wait it does?

[thorn fjord]

I mean

[normal mist]

Goddamn it I've been playing the wrong spec for years, again!

[thorn fjord]

Comparatively

Im speaking the class not the spec LOL

[normal mist]

Yeah i know what you mean 😛

[verbal lark]

give Rogue a ranged spec

[little light]

comparatively maybe its WoW that sucks

[thorn fjord]

Give rogue an identity imo

[little light]

kekw

[normal mist]

"assassination" is a spec tho, not a class!

[limpid ermine]

you might be onto something here

[dreamy gull]

Sin isn't nearly as good as the other 2
But it's playable

[uncut echo]

Thats not true

Sin does highest ST

[little light]

top st spec

[dreamy gull]

Actually iron wire makes sin good in dungeons

[little light]

thats actually kinda true except people only look at dps overall to judge a player

or specc

[dreamy gull]

It's def not on the level of law or sub even factoring that in tbf

[little light]

dmg reduction on pull with IC iron wire does help I think

maybe copium

if it lasted longer maybe

[winter gale]

Can anyone pls take a quick look into these 2 sims just to tell me should I go for all these socket changes...

[ebon notch]

@carmine dawn did you kill

[winter gale]

I did this one 1st https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2xK6rYnnP8QCyQimhW5BKn

And then wanted to check all gems/sockets and it came out like this

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/gA599QgkCmJs2ro4E2toGq

for 23 difference should I change all of those or?

[uncut echo]

23 dps

That's cringe

That's a rounding error

[copper hazel]

you could put the new gems in, run the sim again, and itll tell you to go back to the others

its that close

[winter gale]

Yeah

[winter gale]

So just put that one ring enchant and I am good to go?

Ty, It changed so many of em, almost all so I didnt want to ignore that, rather asked

[carmine dawn]

[ebon notch]

Is that a yes

[carmine dawn]

Do you wanna watch kill pull

Someone posted a link

It’s a WW pov

He has 4NPC playing Mario party over chat it’s kinda pog

Respectable 89k p3 for first kill

[slow marsh]

grat Jake.

[carmine dawn]

Thank ice

[ebon notch]

Gz Jake

Proud of you

[carmine dawn]

[ebon notch]

Was there anything you struggled with in particular

[turbid heath]

Link vid!

[carmine dawn]

I don’t stream I don’t have a vod

Not really just overall parse is grey still

[turbid heath]

😔

[subtle tundra]

Awesome

[dawn kelp]

6 pi’s on raz r1!

[limber lion]

can't get r1 without pi so it's respectable

if you get pi, at least get r1's

[carmine dawn]

Idk I think my boss dmg was good

Parses don’t matter

[ebon notch]

It is how it is

[carmine dawn]

So I didn’t fok enough on intermission my bad

[ebon notch]

Like cev said

If you're gonna get externals you better pump

[ebon notch]

Unbelievable

[carmine dawn]

I got triple 5 CP foks one pull

Why did no one tell me assa is a funnel spec

[limber lion]

we keep it under wraps

secret tech

so no nerf

[carmine dawn]

[ebon notch]

You don't have boon right Jake

[carmine dawn]

Nope

[ebon notch]

I'm gonna test out new tech on rekill this reset

Lmk when you get boon

[dawn kelp]

Was boon good

I thought abt it

Have 421

[strange python]

Boon is insane for any add fight

[vestal wren]

boon is incredible in m+, can be used to negate winds on raz mythic and is overall always good if you have multiple targets or adds

[gilded seal]

Anyone know on mythic Raz how to avoid shadowstep from putting you behind the boss on the edge, it works like 95% of the time and every now and then it just decides to put me right behind her

[ebon notch]

Just avoid stepping while the boss is turning

Pretty much the only way

[gilded seal]

Thanks

[vestal wren]

you could step a friendly target instead

but not sure how practical that is

[dawn kelp]

I tried that, just do the boss

[thorn fjord]

I want brood prog to be over already.... 200+ pulls on Raz is gonna suck

and take forever

I just want this tier to be over

So i can play GT7 in peace

[turbid heath]

My guild has taken a hiatus til next tier as we got curve & that's all we aim for, Im kinda itching to jump into mythic raids lol

[spice spire]

I did that in 9.0

It’s a great experience

And entices your current guild to do the same

It took me an expac but we got there

[thorn fjord]

Thats too casual

cant do it

My girl wants me to find an east coast guild to raid with but the thought of starting new gives me anxiety

[ebon notch]

Starting with a new guild you mean?

[slow marsh]

or new girl

[thorn fjord]

New guild lmao

[ebon notch]

Shouldn't be afraid of that

It happens

Same with going to a new school or smth

[thorn fjord]

Ive been with my current guild since 2017

[burnt star]

If u step step
Sprint gate
Step step
Cloak.

It wont matter if boss turn

And its only an issue for the 3rd wind tbh

Like sometime my 2nd step on 3rd wind is when boss turn but theres like 1 sec left on wind so its plenty safe

[uncut echo]

We're new besties

CE east coast gamer energy

[thorn fjord]

[iron drum]

assuming im engy,which bracer safety component should i be going, i think i have all the safety nodes already

[slow marsh]

#wow-general might be better cuz i haven't seen much engi talk in here

[thorn fjord]

Only doom talk in this channel @slow marsh

[slow marsh]

ofc

[turbid heath]

I miss Mark and that guy who told Whispyr to boost a rogue to 60 😔

Those were the days

[iron drum]

o aight, ill take a peek

[uncut echo]

Nah I'm hard blooming

[spice spire]

Last night?

Aka this morning

[turbid heath]

Yis

[spice spire]

I felt bad, but had a decent talk with Mark. Just some miscommunication was all. Nice lad

[sudden canyon]

i respect marks audacity

[thorn fjord]

Oh hai mark

[iron drum]

gotcha, i was half thinking maybe battery but if its close/practically 100% thats pretty pointless

[copper hazel]

looooool hunter 10.0.7 buffs but nerfing the bow

[royal lantern]

i mean, yeha, its reasonable

hunter is broken with the bow, and without it dont borther

[spice spire]

All Specs:
Serpent Sting damage increased by 25%
Death Chakram damage increased by 100%
Beast Mastery Hunter:
Kill Command damage + 25%
Barbed Shot damage + 25%
Stomp damage + 25%
Cobra Shot damage + 50%
Marksmanship Hunter:
Arcane Shot and Chimaera Shot damage + 25%
Multi-Shot damage + 15%
As a reminder, numbers are still subject to change. Thank you all.

🤨

[royal lantern]

+if they would not nerf the bow, they would probs use it for the rest of the expac lol

[unreal bear]

i saw some shit about the normal bow being better than a random 421 vault bow by like 5k dps

so that's probably necessary

[runic hinge]

Nerf the bow and nerf hunters. Because fuck hunters.

Is the most reasonable take I can make.

[hollow river]

Tf is this

[spice spire]

Byffs

[hollow river]

Like fresh buffs?

[copper hazel]

10.0.7 ptr buffs

[hollow river]

I see them now

[balmy condor]

Use code byffs at checkout for 25% only for hello fresh

[spice spire]

The only fresh I’m gonna say hello to is your lips

I swear to god

[wind condor]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[sharp relic]

What 2nd lethal poison to use - Instant or Deadly?

[spice spire]

Deadly

[slow marsh]

bruh

i just saw this

what the actual fuck

back to back .5 .7 buffs

[spice spire]

[slow marsh]

for a spec that was already b-a tier

im really trolling by not playing my surv hunter

[vestal wren]

you need to understand

hunter is only mid or below mid on the wcl overall chart

[slow marsh]

maybe mm but bm is in a very good spot

[magic vine]

they're also nerfing the bow hard for bm

[vestal wren]

yes, but that eliminates the meme of blizz basing balance on overall statistics

[magic vine]

We’re changing the bow to have an equip effect that increases your auto-attack damage, rather than auto-attack speed. This auto-attack damage bonus will only affect you, the Hunter, and your own auto-shot damage – nothing from your pets will be increased from having this special bow.

[slow marsh]

i can't

[rancid nimbus]

outrageous...

[royal lantern]

its a buff overall mate

like, math is allready done

[magic vine]

yea

[royal lantern]

for BM its a buff

[keen spruce]

idk why they waited until .7 to rework the bow when the AS buff to pets was a bug in the first place

maybe fix the box first then tune after

like 3 hot fix cycles ago

post .7 hotfix "With the recent changes, we're noticing hunters are over performing in all content so we're just gonna have to revert a buff we did like 2 months ago because we didn't feel like fixing the bow back then"

[magic vine]

its still not that huge of a buff is all i'm saying.
like currently the bow is +12%, .7 bow is +2.2% and the overall buffs are +15%.

5% too much? yea they're already performing fine, its not really needed. surv getting ~3% and mm uh, ~2%

[royal lantern]

i mean

i would kill for a 5% overall buff lol

[magic vine]

same

[gaunt moat]

DON'T WORRY WE ARE DEFINTELY GETTING ONE

[white orchid]

Just revert the 5% we got taken away

[royal lantern]

would not even change much

[white orchid]

That’s what I feel we would get lol

[gaunt moat]

like.. at least give us back that extra anime charged CP
it dindu nothin'

[royal lantern]

like, assa needs a straight up rework rn, stop bandaids and just do a full rework like they do for ret

[white orchid]

“Here’s the 5% we took away unwarrantedly have fun” lol

[gaunt moat]

"hope you have a fun weekend lul"

[white orchid]

Lolol

[gaunt moat]

[copper hazel]

that last line in the blue post just cemented it as a troll

[storm onyx]

Wasn’t ER nerf based on pvp 1 shots?

[royal lantern]

nah, its gonna be like "we noticed that assassination is struggeling for AoE situations, so we buff Crimson Tempest dot dmg by 20%"

then we use CT in singletarget, still have 0 aoe cus assa aoe is flawed by default and just doesnt work at all and thats it, no more changes for the rest of the expac

🙂

[gaunt moat]

I think so? but sin getting like two PvE nerfes because it did well in PvP is just... HUH

[storm onyx]

It was for Sub build even 🤣

[white orchid]

An equally plausible scenario lol

[magic vine]

move ct baseline, move ic to ct spot, make a talent similar to sun king's blessing for deathmark as the capstone there

[white orchid]

They need to make one of the FoK talents echoing blades lol and make CT baseline

[royal lantern]

dude, IC is a joke when you compare it to the aoe options of all other dot specs

even a new position would make it feel bad

[slow marsh]

CT baseline is bad

[magic vine]

throw away ttb, move ap up there, figure out something else for that capstone

[gaunt moat]

@royal lanternNah, they'll also change flying daggers to activate one *3 targets now. "hope you had fun weekend"

[royal lantern]

spriest has litearlly a BETTER bladeflurry

feral has a better IC as its 2nd talent point in the spec tree and multiple interactions with it

IC is so bad

its not even funny

if you meassure it against that stuff

straight up rework the entire aoe part, stop with % buffs

[keen spruce]

we dont' need to be AoE gods

[royal lantern]

get a idea what you want assa to do in aoe or cleave

[keen spruce]

but a few QoL options owuld be nice

[royal lantern]

yes, it doesnt need to be insane Sub aoe dmg, but like, SOME aoe so you are not litearlly dead for anything that is not 100%st

[keen spruce]

i think CT baseline and moving some of the high commitment points higher up the tree would be enough

[gaunt moat]

I kinda wish i knew the reasoning behind the 45sec cooldown on IC
were they like: "We want to give assassination AoE capabilities... BUT NOT REALLY"

[keen spruce]

so we can still be good in ST with some cleave builds

[slow marsh]

Assa doesn't need AoE it needs cleave

[keen spruce]

like assas as a boss killer on tyran weeks would be fine

if they could just grab a few cleave/aoe talents

[white orchid]

Would be fine if it did any boss damage lol

[keen spruce]

without inting their single target

[slow marsh]

We are supposed to be the council spec and we haven't been for like however longn

[keen spruce]

well that's cuz our rupture doesn't do any damage

and PB is such a fuckin dice roll

[magic vine]

you don't need to be aoe gods, but if assa is about the dot spec you need the aoe version of the spec to play into that. which is sort of does, but just badly. and we've got multiple examples of other classes with shifting dots to aoe and like all of them are less shitty

[slow marsh]

It's more than that but yeah that is kind of the 1a

[keen spruce]

i mean even having PB proc on rupture again would help quite a bit with council fights

cuz you're really not envenoming enough to get value out of it in like 3-4 target

[gaunt moat]

My memory on how sin was during legion is foggy, since it was 6 years ago
but what made sin do well on cleave back then that we lost?
I know PB did a lot of damage.

[keen spruce]

PB was a lot stronger iirc

multi dotting was stronger

[gaunt moat]

why was multi dotting stronger?

[magic vine]

heck if you want to give it some ramp you could have something that makes every X evenoms spread dots or something

[gaunt moat]

comapretivly

[keen spruce]

i don't remember

[slow marsh]

Don't worry we'll get a mini rework in .1

[keen spruce]

a shit ton of our power has moved into envenom

[gaunt moat]

you mean out of

envenom used to be stronger

[storm onyx]

VW dealt dmg back then? I am fuzzy

[balmy condor]

energy was also worth more from the multidotting

[white orchid]

Make PB a finisher lol that does extra damage per bleed on a targets lol.

[royal lantern]

more energy=more envenom=more pb procs, and pb did stupid dmg

[balmy condor]

if your spec is 40apm, and it goes to 55 in cleave

lot more impactful than going from 55 to 60

[gaunt moat]

yeah, i can understand that.
we've defintely became faster paced, so cleaving don't matter as much for that.

[storm onyx]

CT was uncapped

[keen spruce]

oh yeah PB used to be bag of dicks

[balmy condor]

also I wanna say deathmark is just crushing it for single target damage

so can't really tune dots as high

vend was like "do more damage lul"

but deathmark is crazy stronger, and crazy more interactions

more moving parts to tune

[keen spruce]

what was the proc rate on this

[balmy condor]

was okay

[oak sky]

thats just boring

zzz

[balmy condor]

not great though

[frozen jasper]

I‘d love a pb-like finisher and maybe another poison choice instead of amp that buffs bleeds instead of env

[magic vine]

get you something like for aoe burst

[gaunt moat]

Deathmark is stronger than 30% damage from everything?

[keen spruce]

is this baked in somewhere now

or just gone

[balmy condor]

yes, and it's not even close

[gaunt moat]

well i'll trust you on that one, i wasn't there for the calculations.
didn't expect that to be the case

[balmy condor]

the math is pretty easy actually

30% damage buff for 20 seconds every 2 minutes

is 30% for 1/6th uptime

so a total of 5%

the damage from the duplication effects ALONE

are over 9%

that's not counting the extra damage from envenom due to doubled amp stacks, the extra lethal dose stacks, the extra energy you get from the ticks

the raw damage from the duplications themselves already double vendetta

[ionic fox]

Question, when deathmark doubles everything does it only double whats currently on the target and not interact with anything during the cd?

[keen spruce]

condensing damage amps into CDs gets extra value from pots and trinkets too

[balmy condor]

it doubles everything on cast, and any bleed/poison that you cast during the effect

[keen spruce]

vs a completely flat dmg curve

[gaunt moat]

That's only true if you consider the damage throughput of the vendetta rogue to be equal throught that time, but you dump all CD on vendetta too.
But i get you

[gaunt moat]

already better tooltip just sayin'

[keen spruce]

oh yeah i didn't mean vs endetta specifically

i just mean when calculating the total % gain

unless that 30% is also including all of those damage amps

not that significant just sayin

[ionic fox]

Think sin will get any love for 10.7?

[keen spruce]

no

[gaunt moat]

DEFINTELY

[keen spruce]

but 10.1 surely

[gaunt moat]

your copium is different than mine

[ionic fox]

Wanna play sin so bad but sub is just too strong on raz 😛

[balmy condor]

I don't think dragonflight will have that many patches

[royal lantern]

i mean, assa is also good for raz

[balmy condor]

but surely we'll get love before 10.7

[royal lantern]

for boss dmg atleast

[ionic fox]

Sub destroys shields