assassination

[balmy condor]

yeah

it is aids

[sweet bobcat]

my eyes are burning from reading that

[balmy condor]

just giving exsang 20% faster

for no reason

[slow marsh]

Instead of deleting it yep

[balmy condor]

it's already a 4 min cd

just let it die

[sweet bobcat]

dont delete it

put it back to a 45s CD

🙂

[balmy condor]

[steel ridge]

delete exsang

[balmy condor]

put it back to a 45 second cooldown

so what

it's stronger than our capstones again?

[sweet bobcat]

i can press it more than once in pvp

[keen spruce]

plz

[balmy condor]

and we have to play that dogshit rotation all expansion?

[balmy condor]

bro fuck pvp

who cares

minigame mode

all 5 people still playing pvp can afford to be upset

[strange python]

Pvp died in wrath.

[sweet bobcat]

lol

not wrath

but it died yes

probably after mop

[steel ridge]

it was quite alive when i did solo shuffle last week

[strange python]

Season 9 was the last time anyone good played pvp. Then hon and dota2 and league killed it

The exodus from arenas to mobas was real

[balmy condor]

that's like saying you did lfr and there was 30 people in your raid

[steel ridge]

it is

[sweet bobcat]

yeah

[steel ridge]

something doesnt need to be played on a highlevel to be alive 😄

[sweet bobcat]

solo shuffle ques are just getting longer as the season progresses

[steel ridge]

play a healer, you get insta invite

[sweet bobcat]

i do play healers

[strange python]

I mean I assumed we were talking about a high lvl pvp since it was about balance

[sweet bobcat]

i also play a rogue

[balmy condor]

I made a comment on a pvp twitter thread about rogue balance in pve vs pvp

and within 5 minutes I got called a slur

[strange python]

I hope rogue gets nerfed into the ground for pvp

[sweet bobcat]

what are you talking about

[strange python]

Take away stealth

[steel ridge]

pvp balance lmao

[strange python]

Then maybe we can stop getting hamstrung in pve for being good at pvp

[balmy condor]

real

[sweet bobcat]

1. thats never gonna happen

[strange python]

I can hope.

[sweet bobcat]

2. thats a pretty dark take

[balmy condor]

TC's always get shit for "asking for nerfs"

but nah

[sweet bobcat]

not everything has to be black and white

[crisp badger]

can you macro puzzle box and exsang on the same button

[sweet bobcat]

they can exist together

[balmy condor]

rogue needs to get nuked in pvp

[strange python]

Tired of rogue pve getting capped because we're an lying in pvp.

Annoying"

[oak sky]

kidney shot

[strange python]

Blizzard will absolutely never let the best m+ and best pvp class be super strong in raid too.

[sweet bobcat]

kidney shot is 15% less effective

[oak sky]

its literally just kidney shot

[sweet bobcat]

since dragonflight

[oak sky]

isnt it

[strange python]

I'm fine with removing kidney shot.

[sweet bobcat]

turn off cdew

[steel ridge]

how is it kidney shot

[sweet bobcat]

for 1 minute

[steel ridge]

feral got maim on a 20 second cd

[oak sky]

i mean it cant be damage

can it

[sweet bobcat]

it is damage

[balmy condor]

remove wound poison

[strange python]

Take away all of our stuns. Give me back damage.

[oak sky]

bro

if its damage

then that doesnt affect pve

[sweet bobcat]

assa rogues do big damage and have hemotoxin as a pvp talent

[oak sky]

because of modifiers

[balmy condor]

nerf hemo by 50% and remove wound poison

[sweet bobcat]

that reduces healing

[steel ridge]

it must be the yellow color

[sweet bobcat]

and when you deathmark wound poision and shiv with hemo you cant heal it with their bleeds up

its busted as fuck

[oak sky]

yeah sounds pretty pvp specific to me

ie i dont have to care

[balmy condor]

disable deathmark in pvp

[sweet bobcat]

dont disable deathmark

[oak sky]

you know what

[balmy condor]

don't let assassination rogues queue pvp

[sweet bobcat]

just tone back the healing reduction stacking

[slow marsh]

Na

[oak sky]

make vanish a 4 min cd

[sweet bobcat]

like if your really confident

[strange python]

Just delete pvp and mythic+ and make wow about raiding.

[oak sky]

it can go with 4 minute exsang

[sweet bobcat]

you can deathmark b4 you exsanguinate

[slow marsh]

It's not kidney it's actually blind into dance sap that's the problem

[balmy condor]

like it's super easy

if (spec = assassination)
do not let into queue

Pve rogue is saved

[sweet bobcat]

and your double bleeds just pump into someone

[balmy condor]

quote me on it

[strange python]

Can't tell if whispyr is agreeing with me because tired and delusional or as memes

But it should be a more common occurrence

[sweet bobcat]

or

[balmy condor]

I'm agreeing because I'm tired of pvp shitheads ruining public perception of rogues

[sweet bobcat]

all the pve assa rogues reroll sub or outlaw

[balmy condor]

because it's impacting 100 people in pvp

[sweet bobcat]

fixed

[balmy condor]

25000 assassination rogues in pve need to suffer

it's fucking stupid

[slow marsh]

I blame @hollow river

[oak sky]

yeah

its his fault

[slow marsh]

Personally

It's all on his shoulder

[oak sky]

fuck that guy

[slow marsh]

Just one of them

[sweet bobcat]

i like him

[slow marsh]

The left shoulder

[strange python]

I'm tired of sin being bad at m+ because sub and outlaw exist. Delete m+ too

[balmy condor]

people be screaming rogue is op and you're like "why is it op, it's like 5th in boss damage and can't aoe" and they go "they're crazy in pvp"

blocked and reported do not speak to me

opinion does not matter

bye

pvp opinion

[sweet bobcat]

the thing is tho

most assa rogues aren't even good in pvp

[strange python]

Pretty sure these are hardstuck duelist players who just don't like getting sapped.

[sweet bobcat]

because its not as easy to play as a warrior or a DK

[slow marsh]

Pvp rogues are pvp rogues they don't play specs

[balmy condor]

okay and?

[sweet bobcat]

so the people whinging

are like

[oak sky]

no dw awc pvpers complain too

[sweet bobcat]

the top 1% of 100 people

im agreeing with what you're saying

[balmy condor]

great, delete assa in pvp

[strange python]

Hot take. None of today's awc players would have even been top 50 in bc/wrath.

Pvp is dead content in 2023

[slow marsh]

It really is

[oak sky]

hot take. i dont care about wrath

[sweet bobcat]

because they weren't alive

pika is like 23

he wouldve been 6

[steel ridge]

not if its a dorf, a paladin, a hunter, an evoker

[sweet bobcat]

so thats a great argument dude

[balmy condor]

actually, rogue in arenas on classic wrath is really op, nerf rogue on live

[steel ridge]

they just invalidate your existence with one button

[strange python]

Im just saying. Caring about the opinion of pvpers in dragonflight is wild

Dragonflight pvp is irrelevant

[sweet bobcat]

not really tho

because people play it

[slow marsh]

It really is tho

[strange python]

Like 6 people

[sweet bobcat]

blizzard just needs to fix the pvp talent system and tune abilities in pvp more

like they've been doing

[oak sky]

vast majority of wow players are giga casuals

[strange python]

Wow pvp existed until literally any other genre come around and killed it.

[slow marsh]

League of legends killed wow pvp

[strange python]

Yes

[flint ridge]

do we spread dots on mythic kurog or do we just single target kurog all the way with occassional fok?

[strange python]

The exodus of rank 1 wow players to league was insane

[strange python]

Spreading dots gives you more boss damage with high energy Regen

[steel ridge]

ofc you spread dots on the second big target

[strange python]

Don't worry about the little guys tho. Unless you're just refreshing SBS stacks

[balmy condor]

these days you also just play single target talents too

[steel ridge]

actually i disabled the nameplats for the little ones 😄

[balmy condor]

don't bother taking CT

just rupture/garrote the big adds for energy

[oak sky]

its funny i see a decent amount of expros from other games in streamer chats or in game now

[sweet bobcat]

i think you'll notice

[strange python]

I don't think people realize how quickly the arena scene died when league came out. Wow arenas went from being the primary non-fps pvp game to being entirely irrelevant in under one season.

[sweet bobcat]

more people play pvp in wow with solo que

nobody wanted to sit in LFG to play a sub par pvp game

[strange python]

Okay but those people aren't serious and balance doesn't impact them. Not to be elitist, but it just doesn't

[sweet bobcat]

it does

[steel ridge]

when league came out i actually quit wow

now that i am a boomer myself, i came back

[strange python]

Same. Doesn't help that they took rewards away from 2v2s

That was an all-time stupid decision

[sweet bobcat]

thats because of the pvp elitists

that think they're the only ones who deserve mounts

[strange python]

Most pvp elitists were adamantly against that

[sweet bobcat]

a lot of them aren't

[strange python]

Arenajunkies was furious

They killed 2v2s to save 5v5 and no one played 5s

[strange python]

Meteos and sneaky on tich, deftly is somewhere? Doublelift quit wow to go pro again. Scarra and aphro on illidan

Lots of ex league pros play rogue too

[oak sky]

cruzer

i saw one dude who used to play in owl in max's raid group

[strange python]

Weve has a few app

I think meteos was the highest raiding expro last I saw? But idk

[oak sky]

meteos and sneaky raid together

[strange python]

Like low end CE

[oak sky]

sneaky is pretty mid and meteos is pretty good

im sure its an effort thing tho

theyre both really good at video games

obviously

[balmy condor]

we had some guy app and he linked clips from him playing in the classic arena championships, no raid experience since nathria and we're like lmao no

[strange python]

Meteos is pretty active in discords trying to get better

[balmy condor]

[oak sky]

oh yeah

shiphtur

was in here

asking about sub

a while back

[strange python]

Classic? Not even just old clips from back in the day?

[sweet bobcat]

what a chad bro

insta ginvite

[oak sky]

im pretty sure deftly was raiding with max as well

[balmy condor]

no like actually "here I am playing in the Wrath Classic AWC finals"

[strange python]

Yep. We lost a few raiders to that cringefest

[oak sky]

its just a thing

idk

if they wanted to do it and it was fun for them

nothing wrong with it

[strange python]

I'd actually be more impressed if it was vids from MLG from real wrath and like "hey I'm coming back to the game"

[slow marsh]

I would've accepted his app

[strange python]

I'd vote to trial venruki or neilyo

[slow marsh]

Then gkick in the middle of trial

[balmy condor]

I mean I wouldn't put "I played professional pvp in wrath" and "impressed" in the same sentence personally

[sweet bobcat]

venruki is a legend

i love that guy

[balmy condor]

regardless of wrath, or classic

[strange python]

Billianz was the OG pvp legend before Hafu

[balmy condor]

like it's an accomplishment to be top 10 or whatever in pvp

I just don't care

[sweet bobcat]

AWC is an open tournament

[royal lantern]

"congratz, you found the bladestorm keybind"

[balmy condor]

like if you're the best pickleball player in the world, I would be like "nice man that's cool"

and then never talk about it ever again

[strange python]

I think it's funny how often Azael touts being a pvp champion considering how hard he got carried

[slow marsh]

Pickleball goes hard tho

Those old grannies be fit

[sweet bobcat]

fair but thats literally everyone else towards someone who plays wow anyway

so what does it matter

[slow marsh]

Probably that people have that of wow

And wow players have that of pvpers

[sweet bobcat]

none of the achievements in this game really mean anything

[slow marsh]

So what does that say

[flint ridge]

man kinda just feel like .5 was a nerf and not a rework kek. i feel like assass is very boring. i guess it has gotten a bit better on m+

[balmy condor]

it doesn't, but dude's apping to my guild, so it matters for that

[oak sky]

ok cool no achievements matter

i can finally quit

thank god

[sweet bobcat]

for real tho

if you wanted

[strange python]

None of anything you do in life really matters

[sweet bobcat]

all i see is darkness

all i feel is pain

[strange python]

A handful of people will care and then promptly be forgotten when you die

[sweet bobcat]

that aint it chief

[royal lantern]

cus it was

spec does the same dmg but lost build options

[oak sky]

stepping stone

not full rework

[strange python]

I mean our damage went up

[flint ridge]

I miss kingsbane on rasz.

[strange python]

In our main buuld

I don't. Sin on raz sucked.

[royal lantern]

@oak sky

want some?

[oak sky]

yeah love to have it

[flint ridge]

The double improved poison kingsbane on Rasz is nuts

[strange python]

Sin feels so bad trying to kill zealots and surfers

Compared to sub

Raz at this stage feels like it's more an add fight than a boss fight

[vocal barn]

i miss flaggellation

[grim jay]

It was somewhat cool, but cant say I miss it

[vocal barn]

it was such a cool ability and we got lame ass sepsis

[grim jay]

I miss KB as a staple skill tho

Should be baseline actually

[vestal wren]

i got you

[steel ridge]

lmao

[vestal wren]

KB def. is tragic, old layout was better

[grim jay]

The capstone itself is tragic

DTB is cool but in actuality uninteresting gameplay-wise and could aswell be baseline to further define sin theme

And you now use it instead of an interesting ability that offers you an actual big damage poison the spec should have anyways

[raven knoll]

I dont miss flaggellation

[vestal wren]

haha, reverse uno card

[gaunt moat]

In an AoE/cleave situation with amp poison
do you track amp stacks to see which targets to envenom (or to envenom instead of CT)?

[balmy condor]

no

[sweet sphinx]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[dawn kelp]

I love going from top dam to tank dam on raz intermission

[grim jay]

I love warrior tanks in CoS now always wanting everyone to LoS first imp casts so they can spellreflect

On keys where it actually takes longer to do so

[hollow river]

Rogue isn’t the best in any content so that’s a big F

[subtle tundra]

too bad it kinda is in m+

[hollow river]

[shy axle]

do i understand the faq correctly that you just use bonespike to keep it off 3 charges, or are there any other uses to it besides the active dot?

[hollow river]

I didn’t see nearly as many in MDI this year, obviously that isn’t going to be 100% accurate of keys on live but

[subtle tundra]

rogue isnt always in mdi

never has been a staple

mdi is not live

[balmy condor]

The instant damage is worth it, otherwise it wouldn’t recommend keeping it off 3 charges. The reason you hold charges is because there’s adds on basically every fight that you will want to spread the bone spike to

You want to dump all the charges at the end

[shy axle]

you mean if the boss dies in a few seconds use the last 2 charges to gain dmg/cps?

[hollow river]

Ofc but in recent seasons it has been when it was really good no?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[shy axle]

thank you

[grim jay]

Isnt it pretty close on live between some melees anyways ?

[hollow river]

Idk, I’ll admit I won’t know near as much about live keys as Varas or some of the others atm. But I don’t think tuning in different types of content is what’s really holding us back from being tuned well for raid. That’s the main thing I was trying to get across with my first comment.

[wind dune]

Yea but i wanna play M+ as sin and not be a meme. Why was sub allowed to get band aid fixed last xpac for m+ (just getting bp for free in sl, now it only takes 6 points for all of its aoe) but sins left in the back alley for the last 4 years. "lol reroll" is all i fucking hear, its miserable playing feral druid junior

[tacit otter]

Just play sin if you like it lol, why all the drama

[shrewd night]

To quote his Whispyrness; "Are you pushing 24s?"

[jade abyss]

Sin doesnt change very much in the last years? Playstylewise

[unreal bear]

after coming back to the game after years of inactivity, the only thing i noticed was garrote being maintained now

there's other things like no real baseline aoe for single target

echoing reprimand is... ok i guess?

[static glacier]

poison bomb does aoe dmg even if you're doing pure st

core issue with sin is the lack of strong st in dungeon build

[unreal bear]

relying on procs to be able to do aoe feels pretty bad though

[static glacier]

if your spec has giga strong st even if the aoe is mediocre you can save more time than a spec blasting aoe

there's sims that show this

in a dungeon sim

[grim jay]

People dont realize or wanna accept that its a skillissue on normal m+ runs

[unreal bear]

i always get people complimenting my ST, but i feel you on it not being amazing

BM hunter just blows me out each time

[static glacier]

here's an example from the three hunter specs being compared (sim includes prot warr, havoc dh and rogue)

interestingly sv performs v well due to having v. strong st in their dungeon aoe build

[unreal bear]

surprised i rarely see sv

[static glacier]

I play it, it's very good at saving time, middling for overall dmg

[unreal bear]

but i guess overall padding feels better to most people

[static glacier]

it's not exactly useless at aoe, just not powerful if you know what I mean

the st is super consistent and v. high

[unreal bear]

yea

i feel pretty cool when i get poison bomb procs and i'm doing 200k on a pull

[static glacier]

can hit 70-80k on patchwerk st only bosses in keys

[unreal bear]

then i look at the uh dk

[static glacier]

rogue can only manage 65ish

similar gear (417)

[unreal bear]

yea

im 413 and even with spreading bleeds all over ner'zhul's bone wall, i only did 72k

[static glacier]

then again sub does a ton more aoe than sv can on mass pulls

and assuming good rng with mechanics etc you can hit 70k, but it feels like massive effort, sv sims like 5-6k ahead in dung build and raid build

atleast we don't worry about surviving - pun fully intended

[unreal bear]

tru

[static glacier]

been enjoying relaxing while watching zerocool while doing work recently

does high keys as sin and isn't as inconsistent at streaming as seli

[unreal bear]

is that the 3200+ sin rogue

yea

i wanted to check him out

[static glacier]

he's live now if you're interested

[unreal bear]

yeah just loaded it up while making coffee

[grim jay]

Zerocool

[limber lion]

have fun watching him

but take everything he does with grains of salt

[grim jay]

Its not a grain

Its grains already

[limber lion]

yeah he's got plenty of weird things he does and weird takes

[grim jay]

Ye ik, just wanted to underline what you said

[limber lion]

he climbs ranks because he plays so much m+, that's literally all he does every single day

[grim jay]

😄

[static glacier]

obviously he's not playing optimally

I can see it, but it's good to see the spec represented

[limber lion]

Yep could be pumping quite a bit more in general, but it is what it is

as long as you don't start playing Sepsis and Shadow Dance because Zerocool told you so, you're gucci

[static glacier]

bruh

he didn't play those, surely not

[normal mist]

Is it worth reporting a player for insta leaving a key after 1 single wipe?

[static glacier]

it's not against the rules

[grim jay]

Yes

It is

[static glacier]

they're a cunt but not exactly breaking tos

[limber lion]

he's an avid sepsis enjoyer. he was playing night fae for the majority of shadowlands afaik even though it was the one of the worse covenants.

but yeah a lot of weird stuff here and there

probably toned down on his weirdness, but still good to keep in mined

[static glacier]

honestly, I respect it

[grim jay]

I got report feedback several times and it actually is

[static glacier]

even if I wouldn't do the same

[vague widget]

It's gameplay sabotage it's definitely ToS lol

[unreal bear]

hol up

he plays sepsis and dance?

lmao

that's actually wild

[static glacier]

could I argue someone dying to a dumb mechanic is gameplay sabotage?

[limber lion]

don't think he actively does

[static glacier]

xd

[limber lion]

but might do that sometimes

you never know with him

[vague widget]

No poor performance isn't sabotage in their definition. But leaving deliberately is.

[unreal bear]

every time a sin rogue gets energy starved, i cry

[static glacier]

tbh outside of some sus dot reapp prios i'd say the only thing that feels off to me about his gameplay is shiv

he almost always uses it to overcap instead of just sending

[unreal bear]

does he line it up with anything

[limber lion]

his shiv usage is super poor

I just tuned in and he was sitting on Shiv for 40s before pressing it

[static glacier]

ye

[limber lion]

literally no reason

[static glacier]

then again I guess you don't press it on mass aoe

or was it on boss

[raven knoll]

This is what my friend got like an hour after reporting someone who left his key after 1 wipe.

[unreal bear]

i've used shiv on aoe if i got some nice bomb procs

but it feels weird

[limber lion]

you do for prio, especially with dm, but he held it for 40s and pressed it in the same aoe pack after deathmark dropped

[prisma cypress]

I never understood this logic. If your group needs more damage and you're playing an undertuned spec, you're potentially holding the group back. yes, it may be viable if everyone plays well, but what good does it do to blame everyone else's play while you meme

[limber lion]

so instead of pressing it with deathmark on 8 targets he waited for deathmark to drop then pressed it on 8 targets

[static glacier]

if you're spamming envs (as he does) yeah makes sense

[limber lion]

but yeh he held it for 15s on boss as well for no reason

[static glacier]

guess he's focused on other stuff, not really rotational execution

[limber lion]

like no wonder he loses to boomkin/dh in boss damage

lol

[grim jay]

Same. Just report for deranking and write that they for example left first wipe

[limber lion]

but literally anyone can climb m+ ranks if they do 350 keys a season

[unreal bear]

i thought it was <7 targets you used envenom for procs

[limber lion]

zerocool holds shiv, uses it at low energy

like a lot of poor gameplay choices

but if you enjoy watching his stream, go off

just don't do what he does if you want to improve

[limber lion]

there's really no rule. Whispyr did a bunch of sims and it shows that it kinda really doesn't matter at all. Just press Envenom here and there, maintain CT and spam it a bit, doesn't really matter

[unreal bear]

makes sense

sometimes poison bomb be proccing nonstop

sometimes it's dry as hell

[limber lion]

If you maintain Envenom and CT, you're chilling

doesn't matter what other buttons you press

[royal lantern]

DETECTION TIME

[grim jay]

Actually shows how badly an improved aoe finisher/talent is missing

[shrewd night]

Is this a meme?

[royal lantern]

yes

assa has just no real aoe gameplay

put dots out for energy and then its W/E

cus there is simply not really a actuall rotation or priority or anything like that, keep ct up and thats it

[static glacier]

bro if this guy can do higher keys than the vast majority of the playerbase, on a suboptimal spec, playing suboptimally then the community as a whole has massively overestimated how important playing meta is and underestimated playing the key right (pathing, focus, cc and kicks)

[grim jay]

Just make envenom deal more damage per bleed out there, not just on target. New prio damage spec

[shrewd night]

Player a) Man, we could have timed this is we pulled those two packs together, spent our cds differently, perhaps considered a different route
Player b) You know what, we would have timed this if this dog shit rogue didnt play assa, holding us back and being a complete meme

[grim jay]

If you were whispyr I'd say "Ist das Kunst oder kann das weg?"

[unreal bear]

no i want a pet

i want a pet to do 30% of my overall damage

also give it utility like lust or bres

[royal lantern]

you forgot the part in player B where the assa rogue did more dmg then the rest, or is 1k less overall then the druid in the group

cus thats my expirience

blame the offmeta guy when the other dps did negative dps

[unreal bear]

TRUE

[shrewd night]

Nonono, in peoples head assa is just dog shit, always at the bottom, doing tankdamage.

[unreal bear]

subcreation told them sin is F tier

so it's not even playable

[shrewd night]

Maybe competing with restodruid

Not viable, AT ALL.

[royal lantern]

F tier cus F is my interupt and i do sick IC aoe silence plays

[unreal bear]

im literally the only KSH sin rogue on my server

[normal mist]

meanwhile i can't recall the last time i was not #1 in dps in a key, wild xD

[shrewd night]

Is it because you play sub? HAHA YEAH, GOT YOU.

[normal mist]

😮

[royal lantern]

idk about kazzak, probs not the only one but still way to high overall cus nobody plays the spec

[normal mist]

alg19 not timed

[shrewd night]

Photoshopped

[normal mist]

xDD

[shrewd night]

No way assa is that high

[unreal bear]

kinda ridiculous

[royal lantern]

shit is sad man

[unreal bear]

extremely sad

i barely play m+ too

[limber lion]

damn you guys are nuts

[royal lantern]

not even 2,8k score is wr 101

like what the fuck

blizzard, there is a problem maybe

when legit nobody plays the spec for m+

[grim jay]

No wonder it wasnt with that fury dps

[unreal bear]

it's an epidemic

[normal mist]

LOL

[unreal bear]

meme 15 key with two healers

[royal lantern]

man, ik that its a meme cus my score is mediocre at best if you compare to actually pushers, but thats the thing

all keys on +20 and 3x a 21 is enough for #100 worldwide with a spec should not be a thing lol

[unreal bear]

bonemaw lived for so, so long. i cry

[limber lion]

nah you've got like 300 more score than me

[royal lantern]

wut

[limber lion]

but yeh I don't think it's that weird if it's a spec that doesn't have as many players playing it

[royal lantern]

arent you higher wr raiding

[limber lion]

yeh

but I don't do any m+

[royal lantern]

fair point

honestly i just do +20 for vault most of the time lol

[limber lion]

top 50 raiding, top 10000000000 in m+

[unreal bear]

you have 200 rating on me and there's only ~500 sin rogues between us

lol

[royal lantern]

wr 1,8k raiding

[unreal bear]

were there other xpacs where sin was in this state?

[prisma cypress]

yes, you can do high keys playing a suboptimal spec really well with other really good players, yes - my point is that while there are other elements to a group's performance aside from sheer damage output, if your group needs more damage, playing a better-performing spec will still help, no matter your gear level or key level

[grim jay]

Cant remember if sin was the best choice for m+ once if thats what you mean

[royal lantern]

yes no

the thing is that assa was more or less always kinda mediocre at best for m+ cus it simply has no real aoe and just gets 20bandaids stacked by blizzard, AND that outlaw is the defacto m+ spec since forever and that sub is stupid overtuned and braindead to play rn

so why play assa

[unreal bear]

i meant overall

[static glacier]

a group "needing" more damage is a matter of missing a dps check, tbh it feels like this season there aren't that many of those outside of litteral bleeding edge keys where you just can't survive stuff and the only answer is to cc lock > kill

[royal lantern]

it was the best rogue choice in bfa S1

[unreal bear]

raid included

[royal lantern]

[royal lantern]

SL launch

[grim jay]

Fair, didnt play s1 bfa

[royal lantern]

assa was the worst dps spec in the game on SL launch

legit unplayable bad

and also played like shit

[prisma cypress]

not necessarily - it could just mean you're not killing stuff quite fast enough to make the timer

[static glacier]

ngl missing timer due to raw dmg

assuming no other mistakes is a myth

[grim jay]

Its often good in raids tho as far as I can remember each tier

[static glacier]

unless you're talking prenerf av with low gear

[prisma cypress]

i'm not assuming no other mistakes, i'm assuming all else being equal

[shrewd night]

[drifting whale]

Yo. Brother is brand new to WOW. 70 outlaw is his first char. We have been doing some mythics together but he isn't really enjoying outlaws damage profile.

Im thinking of having him try assassination rogue. Any strong builds with minimal buttons you guys know? Seems a bit more fun for a new player with fan of knives and tempest!

[static glacier]

all else being equal I can wholeheartedly say playing the non damage aspects of a key right matter more than optimising damage, I don't think people miss timers due to suboptimal specs

[prisma cypress]

they matter, but so does damage

[grim jay]

#wow-general message
Should be the deciding factor. He prolly played other mmorpgs, no ?

[shrewd night]

To me, this just sounds like cope for not wanting to admit the group as a whole played with poor execution.

[drifting whale]

This is his first MMO, he is 18. He is loving the game but seeming a bit "lost". He ilkes to know he is playing his spec correctly

[shrewd night]

Looking back at runs, I can always find ways to improve and groupwide reasons to why the run failed.

Suboptimal specs are not partof that equation. At least not yet.

[balmy condor]

Assassination definitely isn’t the move then

The aoe rotation for Assassination basically falls under “maintain everything and then idk do stuff”

[drifting whale]

It seemed easier to make an effective simple Assass build than a simple outlaw build. Just so much APM on outlaw regardless. Assass rotatino seemed like "Have carnage? get your 3 dots up. Dont? knives -> tempest

[balmy condor]

It’s super hard to pinpoint exactly what you should be doing at any given time, and it’s really experience and instinct based

[drifting whale]

(i dont play rogue, this is off guides)

[grim jay]

Sub aswell has a lot of optimization stuff. Might wanna try outlaw, probably has the least buttons aswell

Has many procs and frequent buttons tho

[shrewd night]

Honestly, Id start off as a caster. Not alot of buttons usually and with casttimes you have time to plan your next move

[balmy condor]

I mean this is like 80% of the way there, but if he likes knowing if he’s playing correctly, it’s near impossible

Cause “correctly” is super nebulous

Like yeah okay you finish envenom with prio

And then you finish tempest on super high target counts

But what exactly is prio

[limber lion]

I've played this spec as my main for 5+ years and I have no clue what buttons to press in AoE.

[balmy condor]

And there’s a ton of like okay do I hold my cd here or not

It’s real hard

Also because of envenom vs CT

There’s a lot of times where “correctly” means lower damage

[drifting whale]

If he doesn't vibe with assass rogue we are giong devoker! so he will be in easy chill hands worst comes to worst.

[balmy condor]

And that can be weird for someone who’s new and has no idea other than higher number = better

[royal lantern]

do i cast frostbolt or frostbolt next? what about using frostbolt?

[grim jay]

Dont forget about shatter combo!

[drifting whale]

He was able to do a 12 key with me at 365 ilvl, his kicks and group stuff is great. He just needs a more manageable rotation.

Will try to theorycraft a "simpler" build for assass rogue. Any ideas lmk!

[balmy condor]

Yeah good luck

Our tree is giga rigid

[grim jay]

As I said before, let him try outlaw

😁

[drifting whale]

he has been outlaw for about 20ish lvl 70 hours

[weak isle]

Somehow feel sin actually has most utility for m+ right now

[drifting whale]

APM seems to be the problem. He ends up doing tons of shadow strikes for no reaso in his logs

[balmy condor]

The most you can do for simpler is dropping tea for lethality on the class tree

[limber lion]

outlaw is so much easier to play if you need a manageable/simpler rotation for aoe than assassination

[balmy condor]

But even then like

That’s not much easier

[limber lion]

it's the same stuff as in single target, it doesn't really change

but assa changes entirely

[grim jay]

Shadow strike isnt outlaw

[drifting whale]

Read my message

[balmy condor]

[grim jay]

[vague widget]

I think they mean sinister.

[balmy condor]

Shadow strike is a sub rogue ability

[grim jay]

Thats the question. If he mistook sub for outlaw or just named the wrong spell

[drifting whale]

MEANT sinister

LOL

[weak isle]

There we go

[drifting whale]

i think it was too much for him to be hitting his GCDs with his procs. id have to stand over his shoulder to see.

As in, his ambush was like 3% sinister strike 7%

[grim jay]

@balmy condor spellqueue?

[drifting whale]

lot of the logs i checked it was like, blade flurry 40% and pistol/ambush/dispatch tied

[royal lantern]

rogue ability names, aka "some form of torture, a mortal wound or NAMEstrike"

[balmy condor]

Keep yourself safe

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/kys-keep-yourself-safe-low-tier-god-gif-24664025

[turbid heath]

Jeweled Signet or crafted ring? what we all rolling with fellas

[balmy condor]

Signet

[royal lantern]

why crafted ring unless you have nothing else

[grim jay]

Literally called for it

[royal lantern]

non embelishment crafted gear is just "i dont have anything better on that slot"

[grim jay]

It is the easiest to get right and know what you did wrong tho

[unreal bear]

is there an estimate to how much a socket is worth ilvl wise

[grim jay]

We sim around here

[unreal bear]

yeah i get that

i was speaking generally

[royal lantern]

a socket on a non weapon piece is better then 3 ilvl iirc

but like, yeha, sim

[grim jay]

Tell me what you wanna do with that knowledge

Decide if you wanna put a socket on ?

[drifting whale]

Good way to put it. Honestly if he is having fun ill let him swap. Will have him hit the dummys before he opens his vault and we will see if he likes how the spells feel. hard to tell why a new player isn't vibing with a spec 😦

thx all

[unreal bear]

no, i was asking a general question

[turbid heath]

just double checkin

[unreal bear]

like if you wanted a scenario, 415 ring with socket versus 418 no socket with equal stat weights. do you suspect the math values the 415 + socket worth more, less, or equally

[grim jay]

You could look at the amount of stats and if the socket with r3 gem adds more stats than the difference if you really wanted to not sim

[echo heath]

Got asked to switch to Death Knight, unrelated to performance, our one other DK wants to focus on his hall of fame guild and not prog twice

[royal lantern]

why do you have a dk that raids in 2 guilds

[echo heath]

well we dont anymore

lol

[royal lantern]

why is somone like that in the raidteam in the first place lol

[grim jay]

That was the only right answer

[echo heath]

long time friends

[grim jay]

Tbf

[gusty mirage]

[static glacier]

this pepe is cursed

[hollow river]

My old guild once had a mage who mained warrior in a higher ranked guild

It was not the best of times

[echo heath]

oddly enough, this was my irl reaction

[gusty mirage]

yeah I don't blame you at all

that's so odd

"I want to raid with the homies"

"sorry don't want to prog this again"

which ya know, fair, but god damn

[echo heath]

he had been doing it since legion, but he was so gung ho this expac, he was raid leading us and getting fed gear and then one day he was just done with us

[balmy condor]

I would love to reprog dathea and diurna again

[gaunt moat]

reminds me of my ex

[gaunt moat]

you got diurna?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[spice spire]

Reprog this pal

[weak isle]

xcuse me

who wants to reprog

dathea

my choice

[gaunt moat]

congrats

[balmy condor]

Me I love reprog I’m sick in the head kill me please I can’t bear living anymore

[echo heath]

but who would answer dumb questions covered by the faq

[weak isle]

im proging dathea right now

and i hate that boss

but prob cus im leading

[balmy condor]

I had so much fun hitting the target dummy boss for 70 pulls, and then killing the target dummy boss and then hitting the next target dummy boss for 110 pulls

[gaunt moat]

Soon for me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsO4ACCrEx8

[balmy condor]

Holy shit what a great time

9 hours of target dummy practice a week

How lucky am I to be paying money for that

What a privilege

[limber lion]

brood sucks cock

[balmy condor]

I’m already enjoying having things to do on raz

Even if it’s just running against wind and stacking on a mage

Infinitely better than dathea and brood

[gusty mirage]

bro

who hurt you

I tried swapping to adds on brood

and I was told to stay on boss

ITS SO FUCKING BORING MAN

my rl finally pieced together why anduin prog was so terrible for me @balmy condor

only took him about a year

[balmy condor]

Eranog target dummy
Council benched every week cause don’t need and bad spec
Terros target dummy
Sennarth target dummy
Kurog target dummy
Dathea target dummy
Brood target dummy

[gusty mirage]

sounds about right

raz as sin is target dummy too

dw

because you're actually useless in intermission

[balmy condor]

Yeah but it’s a target dummy that at least tries to fight back

[gusty mirage]

in b4 you wipe another 80 times

to people not kicking sparks

[balmy condor]

Our sparks are really good actually

[gusty mirage]

oh it'll still happen

[balmy condor]

We missed like 2 sparks total in the first 10ish pulls

Having 3 priests helps

[gusty mirage]

why the fuck

do you have 3 priests

[balmy condor]

Cause we have a shadow one trick

[gusty mirage]

arguably the worst class for that fight

[balmy condor]

And a holy one trick

[gusty mirage]

and you have 3 of them

[balmy condor]

And a disc

[gusty mirage]

tell them to untalent feather

it doesn't do anything

and to swap void elf

[steel ridge]

So you are playing sin and complain about target dummy? 😂

[balmy condor]

Hey man, what else are we gonna do without an hpal

[balmy condor]

Yes?

Is there a problem with that

[steel ridge]

Isnt that like every raid

[gusty mirage]

do you at least get to run eggs sometimes on brood?

[balmy condor]

I didn’t realize you enjoyed hitting a boss with no mechanics for 9 hours a week nerazar

[balmy condor]

No

[gusty mirage]

oh

[steel ridge]

actually i do

[gusty mirage]

so the same prison I'm in

[steel ridge]

😂

[gusty mirage]

[royal lantern]

*hitting the boss and watch the other dps do mechanics wrong, so you wipe 🙂

or in my case, just 6 hoursa

[steel ridge]

thats why i play sin in the first place

[royal lantern]

less pain, but still sucks

[balmy condor]

You’re actually ill

I want to do things other than just my rotation for 3 hours straight

[steel ridge]

Brain off, tunnelvision and go

[gusty mirage]

insane

[steel ridge]

As long as the rotation is fun i dont mind it

[gusty mirage]

but the rotation isn't fun

[balmy condor]

If I wanted brain off I would play maplestory and grind, and I do enjoy that

[gusty mirage]

it's literally the same shit it's always been with 3 extra buttons sprinkled in

[balmy condor]

Wow isn’t that game

[echo heath]

like soaking puddles with cloak?

[balmy condor]

When would I be doing that

[steel ridge]

Kurog

[gusty mirage]

sylvanas

[echo heath]

old raids it seemed like we were only ever brought for soaking mechanics

[gusty mirage]

imagine soaking on kurog

[balmy condor]

No I don’t fucking bozo LMAOOOOOOOOOOO

I’m not assigned any of that shit

[steel ridge]

i was

[balmy condor]

Good for you

[gusty mirage]

your other option for dathea is swapping IC + Iron Wire if you'd like @balmy condor

[steel ridge]

Soaked fire, collected earthquake and soaked meteor thingy

[gusty mirage]

and casting vanish 3 times in 8 minutes

[balmy condor]

Bro this raid is so ass

[steel ridge]

i was important

[gusty mirage]

agreed

[balmy condor]

It’s unreal

Worst first raid I’ve ever played

[echo heath]

hey at least we can skin the trash for sweet leathercrafting mats

[balmy condor]

Which sucks cause the rest of the expansion is so good

[gusty mirage]

like raz's saving grace is that sylvanas existed

lets be honest

lmao

[balmy condor]

I think raz is okay

[gusty mirage]

I do too

[balmy condor]

Raz and terros are like the two okay fights

Kurog was okay

[gusty mirage]

sennarth, dathea, council, brood

zzzzz

[balmy condor]

Sennarth was ALMOST good

[gray crest]

Fuck spider

[balmy condor]

Except for the fact that it’s just 90% cheese

[echo heath]

sennarth is boring as rogue because we cheese the only mechanic that creates trouble with grip

[balmy condor]

Pull in? Step cheese or hug a rock
Stairs? Gateway
Last phase? Solo soak your thing like 4 times and then step the push cheese

[gusty mirage]

sennarth as a rogue is waiting for everyone else to figure out how to run away from the spider or stand in webs

[balmy condor]

Which like okay

[unreal bear]

Sennarth is fun if you play it on rogue hardmode

[balmy condor]

I get to do something

That’s cool

[unreal bear]

you have to get yeeted off and shadowstep to a raid member to save yourself

[balmy condor]

But all of it is just ignore the shit

[gusty mirage]

whoever designed dathea

is actually an asshole though

that fight is fucking awful

[balmy condor]

Yeh idk who decided that the platform needed like 12 tornados

[echo heath]

and programmed the tornadoes to always be on your lock gates

ALWAYS

[balmy condor]

You had lock gates?

On dathea?

[echo heath]

oh sorry, sennarth

[balmy condor]

Oh

Yeah that was fun

Chain wiping and telling the warlock to move the gate 1 step down and 3 pixels right

And then chain wiping

And asking him to aim it 3 degrees left

I swear we spent like a third of prog

Just positioning the lock gate

So it would be more consistent

[gray crest]

The locks didn't take into account the trajectory of the moon and the sun when placing their gate, therefore you will get hit by the tornado when you leave the gate

[drifting whale]

ok, this is what i've come up with for my friend who is new to WoW and swapping to assassination. We only do m+. BMQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAISikkEJUSAAAAAAAkEAJCAAAAAAg0QiUSCSSSKpkIQSQkA

[balmy condor]

Yeah gotta factor the tides

[normal kite]

can't forget the star sign of each individual tornado as well

[drifting whale]

let me know how much worse this is than grabbing the 2 actives i swapped out!

[balmy condor]

What’s your definition of much worse

[drifting whale]

if he was losing 10% it wouldnt be that bad imo

[echo heath]

some dungeons youll need iron wire instead of fok damage

[drifting whale]

he is new new

losing more dps to himself than talents basically

[drifting whale]

good to know

[balmy condor]

Yeah

Dropping exsang is whatever

Dropping tea is slightly less whatever

[drifting whale]

that's what im hoping for. I honestly think he can turn on thistle after a few runs

[balmy condor]

But if you’re dropping exsang for master assassin it’s because you’re taking iron wire

Iron wire is the most busted op utility

[drifting whale]

oh ok, interesting. this is what im looking for.

i thought it was for the left node, the damage one

[balmy condor]

There are many left nodes

[drifting whale]

MA

[balmy condor]

Oh

Yeah the damage on that is pretty pathetic

But it’s good enough in aoe that you don’t really care about exsanguinate at the end of the day

He might be able to notice it on bosses

[drifting whale]

So if skipping exsang, you would still ideally path iron wire no matter what.

The FOK seemed much better in lower keys, ill adjust

nvm. second point in improved poison. i see now

[balmy condor]

Yeah playing Assassination without iron wire is like driving a car down the highway in 2nd gear

Like sure you can

But I don’t see why you would

Iron wire is a 20 yard solar beam + and iron bark, on a 45 second cooldown

[gusty mirage]

why are you still awake

[balmy condor]

It’s uh

Quite stupid

[gusty mirage]

go to sleep

[drifting whale]

good way of putting that.

[gusty mirage]

wtf is wrong with you

[drifting whale]

he is helping a newborn child

[balmy condor]

I did

[gusty mirage]

[balmy condor]

I have you know I slept from 4am to 6:30am

[gusty mirage]

[balmy condor]

I don’t sleep

We know this

You can choose to scold me about it

Or simply accept that I’m better than you

Imagine being unconscious for a third of your life

What a loser

[normal mist]

whats the command for the lariat gems?

[balmy condor]

!lariat

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923750073499648/1055055765980844093/image.png Lariat can proc ANY gem you have equipped, in any slot.

[normal mist]

thanks whispyr

[balmy condor]

Np royal

[rain oyster]

!neck

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923750073499648/1055055765980844093/image.png Lariat can proc ANY gem you have equipped, in any slot.

[brazen zodiac]

for real

[dreamy gull]

close to cracking ilvl 380

378 atm

looking for a new puzzlebox

and necklace

[unreal bear]

what's holding you back?

[drifting whale]

i didn't feel like it was hard to get ilvl until i was nearing late 390s. What content are you running?

It may not be worth target farming items that will need mass valor to up

[dreamy gull]

i dont play mythics very much

cause i find it annoying to constantly apply to groups for like 30 mins straight

its weird to me that i was consistently getting declined from +5s

at 378

[drifting whale]

If 380 ilvl is a milestone you may want to just do mythic 0s then? But yeah if you aren't a mythic spammer hardly matters anyways!!

[gusty mirage]

ur mom

[dreamy gull]

m0 doesnt drop stuff above 376 or something

i think

i forget the exact number

[unreal bear]

crafted gear goes a long way too

[dreamy gull]

also mythic 0 lobbies are horrible

[unreal bear]

you can get pretty hard carries if you just put "bonus valor" on your key

[dreamy gull]

its full of ppl hilariously undergeared who leave immediately if somebody dies

[drifting whale]

I got KSM 400 ilvl in about 60 endgame hours just doing dungeons. May be worth posting your keys!

if ilvl is important to you, that is

[brazen zodiac]

not me who types in "bonus valor" in the search bar

[drifting whale]

my friend who is a fresh account got valor carried up to 12 keys just posting "valor" in his group title and accepting >2200 RIO people in about 3 hours last night. Just need to post and vet people. and bear in mind this is 370ish ilvl

[thorn fjord]

Think ive finally come to terms with the fact that i'll never get eggnog ring

[gray crest]

Same dude

[thorn fjord]

Why do they hate us so

[gray crest]

I wasn't given the ring a few weeks ago cause I wasn't going to be in on Raz prog

Only to be put in on Raz prog

[gusty mirage]

just loot it

[gusty mirage]

you can thank soul for that

now you get to suffer with me

🙂

only 200ish more pulls roujin

you got this buddy

🙂

[gray crest]

Hell yeah

[thorn fjord]

nah i've seen you guys' prog

Your a bit ahead of the average pull counts for your kills

[dreamy gull]

eggnog sucks anyways

most overrated thing ever

[vestal wren]

i like your optimism

[thorn fjord]

They’ll get it before that trust

[vestal wren]

i have no idea how fast you get it down

i did watch kieron progress it shortly, and they seem to progress rly fast on the boss

how many pulls is the boss after the nerfs average?

[gray crest]

Idk, but the goats over in nascent did it in 200 prenerf

But we aren't nearly as good as them

[vestal wren]

i hope people get it down faster than 200 pulls

so wish everyone luck who progresses it atm

[gusty mirage]

220-315 or some shit like that

[vestal wren]

oh wow, thats still quite high

[balmy condor]

[grizzled storm]

Hello, would anybody with a 418 flaring cowl with crit/mastery care to please paste the line of code for it from their simc string 🙂

Cheers 😄

[gray crest]

You can't change the stats on flaring cowl. It is always haste mastery

[grizzled storm]

Oh! thank you sir, probably why i was having issues bring in the code from wowhead.

I'm trying to sim to see if it's worth it to make a 418 flaring cowl now and remove my fang adorments

(without the seal ring yet)

[balmy condor]

It is

[vestal wren]

head=,id=193494,bonus_id=1808,gem_id=192982,ilevel=418

[balmy condor]

[vestal wren]

oh wait thats haste mastery

moment

[balmy condor]

Haste mastery is the only stats on flaring cowl

You can’t change cowl stats

[vestal wren]

yes

[balmy condor]

[misty holly]

Was about to say didnt know you could change those stats lol

[vestal wren]

i was about to say

its fixed stats

[strange python]

Our final total was 196

[balmy condor]

How long till you got into p2

[strange python]

We took 90 on sennarth and 130 on dathea. Don't be too impressed

[balmy condor]

We needed 110 for diurna

[strange python]

Probably 85 till p2? We blew through p1 for first night, then spent most of our prog on intermission1

[balmy condor]

Yeah makes sense

[dreamy gull]

The most attempts I've ever put into a boss without succeeding is 6000 I think

[strange python]

Honestly p2 probably only took us 30 pulls, but we were extremely inconsistent on getting it to p2

[gusty mirage]

110 for brood?

[strange python]

There's a LOT on raz that's preplannable. If your RL is assigning stack spots, spread spots for charges in p2, bait spots for breath in both intermissions, you can get through it fast

[balmy condor]

Yeah

[gusty mirage]

how

why

[strange python]

We took 80 for brood too

[gusty mirage]

wcl says 102

[balmy condor]

Okay

I’m off by 8

Sue me then

[gusty mirage]

maybe I will

gonna adversely possess that booty

[balmy condor]

It felt like 380

[strange python]

Adds or boss

[limber lion]

worst boss since fatescribe

[strange python]

I did boss and was super bored

[balmy condor]

Boss

[dreamy gull]

Yeah diurna is boring imo

[balmy condor]

Worse boss than fatescribe

[strange python]

Wait brood isn't even worse than lords of dread

[balmy condor]

Have you done the raid outside of LFR

[strange python]

[limber lion]

lords is fun to play

brood isn't

[dreamy gull]

Why would I do that

[lapis bay]

Any m+ build that would be good for beginners?

[limber lion]

brood is not difficult at all, it's just long and boring

no mechanics, nothing

[strange python]

I've never heard anyone say lords is fun before

[balmy condor]

The one in the faq

[limber lion]

wut

2 targets

massive AMP phases to maximize damage

[dreamy gull]

It still took 15 minutes to kill her in LFR though

[limber lion]

how can it not be fun

[oak sky]

I guess people trolling got really frustratibg

Ng

[strange python]

Constantly running out with purple or to bait was massively unfun

[limber lion]

lmaooooooooooooooooooo

pressing wasd is unfun

damn

[strange python]

Not hitting the boss is definitely not fun.

[oak sky]

We had ranged baiting in the melee bait spots which was really annoying but without that i think it wasnt bad

[balmy condor]

Idk, I’ve just seen you talk about nothing but m0’s and LFR, so it’s a little confusing to me that you would have an opinion on bosses when you’re doing the story mode versions that are missing half the mechanics. Everything’s boring at that level

[limber lion]

much more fun than hitting the boss 24/7 without any effect

[strange python]

I'd rather do SoD guardian than lords

[limber lion]

i'd MUCH rather afk for the entire 5 first minutes of the boss instead of hitting it for 5 minutes hoping that group 2 doesn't fail

[strange python]

Tbh

[oak sky]

Dust build

[limber lion]

Guardian was fine

[balmy condor]

Dust lords was crazy

[limber lion]

it's all still better than brood

[oak sky]

SoD guardian was boring but like

[balmy condor]

It was a very different playstyle

Unique

[limber lion]

based dust enjoyer

[balmy condor]

Oh I fucking hated it

[oak sky]

I wish i got real farm in sepulcher

[limber lion]

lmaoooo

[strange python]

I don't find "okay run away from the boss now" mechanics fun /shrug

[balmy condor]

But it was different

So I respect it

[limber lion]

I prefer the "run away from boss" mechanic more than "0 mechanics, literally nothing to do for 5 minutes, just hit boss"

[strange python]

You got season 4 and everyone loved it. According to Reddit

[oak sky]

Theres run away from the boss now mechanics on like every good boss too

[balmy condor]

So based

[oak sky]

Well i didnt because my guild quit but yeah

[strange python]

Uhh. Delusion?

[limber lion]

legit dathea is a better boss than brood because you have to be alert with the circles and tornados

brood you legit don't even have to have the monitor on

and dathea still sucks major cock

[strange python]

I'd rather be bored than annoyed I guess.

[limber lion]

do you legit enjoy hitting a boss for 5 minutes for 0 benefit more than having to move out once every 30s?

[balmy condor]

My raid leader told us to make plans for our ice blocks in p2, my plan consisted of “idk I’m standing on the tank it’ll break”

[strange python]

Yes.

[limber lion]

fucking based

[limber lion]

that's insane

doing actual valuable damage that matters for 95% of the time instead of doing 0% valuable damage for 5 minutes

[strange python]

I think downtime is bad and unfun and too common.

Halondrus good. Rygelon good. Lords bad. Lihuvim bad.

[balmy condor]

What about vigilant guardian

[brazen zodiac]

everyone always forgets about our big yellow man ::(

[strange python]

Awful

Vigilant guardian might be one of the worst bosses of the entire expansion

I don't even care that he starts alive 10 seconds in on mythic. Fight still stinks

[balmy condor]

But it’s a 0 downtime boss

[coarse bear]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

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[strange python]

Vigilant guardian is an add boss and half the fight the adds are just dead

That's basically downtime

[gray crest]

We all know that anduin was the best boss of the expansion. Isn't that right @gusty mirage

[balmy condor]

But you hit boss

[strange python]

I take it back. Artificer was the worst boss in the tier

I forgot how bad sepulcher was jeez

[oak sky]

Nah it was definitely anduin