assassination

[drifting cloud]

yes

[sinful latch]

Ty

[green apex]

Does Deathmark make Slicing Malestrom from the Whetstone double tap?

[spice spire]

No

[green apex]

Weird. Feels like it's doing more damage as Assassination but I think I may just be going crazy.

[balmy condor]

Trinkets inherently don’t interact with any spec mechanics

[limber lion]

okay finally got 424 dagger and the stupid eranog ring. hold on to your parses boys.

[balmy condor]

EXCEPT GS AND BTE BEFORE THE OUTLAWS CLOWN ON ME FOR LIKE THE FIFTH TIME I KNOW YES

[limber lion]

haha you forgot gs and bte!! silly you!

[green apex]

That's why I asked NGL. Fury warrior in my guild asked me how my Whetstone was slapping so hard and my response was "im sub it does more dmg with find weakness" then I realized I was a posion fella

and I was like uhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

no idea

[limber lion]

whetstone slapping hard

[twin iron]

did you tell him to git gud?

[limber lion]

I'm confused

oh the trinket

lmao

bye

[gaunt moat]

Me everytime i'm looking at other rogues logs

[static glacier]

you don't get windfury

wth

[gaunt moat]

[limber lion]

windfury is like 20k extra raid dps

basically a mandatory raid buff

[gaunt moat]

no WW either

[spice spire]

[limber lion]

ww?

[spice spire]

Monk

[royal lantern]

i mean, dont need a ww when you have a monk tank

[spice spire]

Debuff

[royal lantern]

[limber lion]

doesn't need to be windwalker

can be mw or bm

[spice spire]

I assume is what he meant in general

Is just no monk

[gaunt moat]

ah, no, actually i wasn't aware brewmaster also applies the debuff

[empty tangle]

What proffesion should i get for assasination rogue?

[gaunt moat]

there are no "spec-specific" professions.
you can buy anything through AH or work orders, and it would probably be cheaper than leveling a profession.

That being said - alchemy is usually pretty safe choice, since it allows for phials to last longer than 30 minutes, thus saving a lot of money.

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[frozen iris]

!whispyr

[empty tangle]

Okay thanks.

Thank you. Probably i go with these.

[stiff vale]

Imo only go engi if you're planning to craft stuff from previous xpac, or if you have a lot of gold. It's just a complete money sink right now, and honestly a lot of the things engis make kind of suck right now. Brez bracers have been clutch for me many times tho I guess (when it doesn't fail)

I've had it fail a few times, but it's never been drastic with the talents you mentioned. I'll just press it again after I'm out of whatever CC it puts me into lol

[royal lantern]

ye, they made the rez more reliable for engineers

at the start the engi rez was 200%troll

had like 25% sucess chances with all stuff maxed out lmao

[sacred gate]

Hi Guys, I've hit a wall with my Rogue in raids my Activity normally quite high but it's not reflecting in my DPS are any of you log pros able to PM me some help please? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/emerald-dream/ginsu

[static glacier]

there's a log review thread system but im too ignorant to know how to open it, quickly checked your diurna opener and it was wrong, I'd reccomend going over the #assassination-faq and making sure you understand everything in there relevant to your talent build / fight type

you should sbs before cds, your rupture isn't max pandemic'd before exsang

you forgot to tea while on 3 charges with dm / shiv in cds

[spice spire]

Your bleed uptime is low (under 95% is less than ideal)
You’re wasting cp and energy pretty regularly and you’re not always using your CDs as appropriate.

You’re missing a lot of the basic things

I’d recommend looking at WoW analyzer (can’t believe I’m actually able to say this, ty @main vessel ) to fix a lot of your errors

And then after that we can look at some more in depth things to fix 🙂

[sacred gate]

Great thank you

[limber lion]

opener

take damage = press all defensives at once

[thorn fjord]

atleast they didnt exsang their dm

mfw you find out their boon button has evasion feint and cloak all macro'd together

https://tenor.com/view/oh-my-gif-25288613

[sacred gate]

Alright don't take the piss lol

[spice spire]

But yeah. Foundation is a bit shaky but there. Analyzer will help the super basic kinks. Then we work on opener etc

[royal lantern]

nobody is taking a piss, dont worry

[limpid ermine]

Make sure you use vanish in your rotation as well 🫡

[sacred gate]

Thx looking at Analyzer now, starting to make sense

[runic hinge]

Genius. I’m gonna start doing this myself

[nocturne current]

I had to run away here from off topic.

[static glacier]

https://tenor.com/view/gigachad-luigi-smash-bros-smash-bros-ultimate-missing-gif-26523330

boon gamer, you wouldn't understand

[thorn fjord]

Yo hyper

Add me to that blizzard disc

Lol

[nocturne current]

Oh it's the second one on the search list but since it's not verified I doubt it's legit from Blizzard tho sadly.

[thorn fjord]

Ahh

[main vessel]

[thorn fjord]

@gusty mirage laying down the law like a proper lawman

[spice spire]

[main vessel]

I haven’t worked on it in a bit, but I’m planning to get back to it soon

Maybe sub/outlaw if I have the time for it and a honey do list of things

[thorn fjord]

Sub is actually super easy to play

[novel arrow]

Hey my friend just got back to the game. Is the Catalyst locked at 1 per week? Or can he get all 4 uses today?

[main vessel]

Whispyr told me there was less of a need for it for sub

[novel arrow]

He got 1. But he doesn't know how to get the other ones

[limber lion]

I just went from very mediocre gear to really good gear in one raid lol

eranog ring and 2 424 daggers

[nocturne current]

Is there anything else you need lol

[thorn fjord]

I bet your “mediocre” gear was still based

[limber lion]

that took a while

[thorn fjord]

But that is huge

[limber lion]

boots, bracers, grieftorch

pants

missing a bunch

[spice spire]

[thorn fjord]

What’s your IL now?

[limber lion]

418, boots are 408 so tanking it a bit

[nocturne current]

please be 420..

Damn, it's only 1 above me

[thorn fjord]

No more sparks? Why not just craft boots

I’m 417 also

If you craft boots you’ll for sure the higher IL boots right after

On account of how the universe works

[limber lion]

I probs have a spark left in me

I've been warming up the bench for good over a month

haven't really been playing the game at all

[nocturne current]

Craf that shit yo.

[limber lion]

killing rasz for the first time today lol

[brazen zodiac]

lol

[thorn fjord]

You’ll get your pants today then

[limber lion]

Surely

[nocturne current]

All I need is the damn daggers to complete the transmog set.

It looks like I'm wearing Gucci, but then I drive a Honda Minivan.

[thorn fjord]

Aint nothing wrong with that

All i really NEED is eggnog ring at this point

Really dont even give a shit.. sitting at 4 keys done for the week and i aint doing anymore

[nocturne current]

I literally had same dilema

[limber lion]

yep that's been me the past month except I didn't even do a single key LMAO

glad boys are done with prog and I'm allowed to join reclears now

[brazen zodiac]

any alts u game on?

[limber lion]

nah I've been super busy irl

[toxic burrow]

Playing my butt off 95% of the time with my guild during raids. Doing solid DPS and mechanics perfectly.

The 5%? Wow, I really spaced out while listening to my RL and... Oh. Forgot my food buff, my phial expired, whiffed my rotation. (And of course we kill the boss when this happens.)

[spice spire]

Happens to the best of us

[frigid pilot]

is there a bis list that doesnt feature rng 421 vault bullshit?

[limber lion]

No because then it wouldn't be bis

and bis lists are dumb

[frigid pilot]

i alrdy ran droptimizers across m+15s raid etc. but as stat scaling changes with secondaries etc. kinda hard to have an accurate picture of what to chasedown besides giga rng shit

[royal lantern]

thats the point

bis doesnt exist anymore cus of that

espacily because secondarys most of the time are not even a really gigantic difference

your "BiS" is: get the best trinkets of the patch, and the high ilvl stuff from the last 2 raid bosses

and then highest ilvl on all other slots, preferably with stats that are somewhat better then the other stats for you

[limber lion]

What he said

There's no breakpoints which would skyrocket one item from 150 dps to 1k dps. If an item is like 200 dps for you now, it'll be around 200 dps for you regardless of what gear upgrades you might get for other slots before it.

[snow zenith]

hello can you explaing me why my casts of envenom has less average dmg? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/compare/9hjbHrnBDNYKw32q/self#fight=29,29&type=damage-done&source=13,5

[brazen zodiac]

bless u friend

siege has a pretty high chance to drop a spark i tell you haha

[thorn fjord]

fake news

been wanting to craft an OL MH and not a single spark has dropped for me since the last guaranteed one 😦

[brazen zodiac]

have you done the siege every hour?

ive gotten a spark on 3 different characters now :o

[thorn fjord]

LOL

Guess i should try

[brazen zodiac]

now wait before yo ulaugh

u can afk it!

what i did for cope was complete all WQs then just spam siege/kill biscus on the hour mark and its worked so hehe

idk if u actually have to complete all wqs i think u spamming the siege just counts as u doing all kinds of content so

[thorn fjord]

Sounds like id actually have to kind of play the game though

[brazen zodiac]

yeah

[wet iron]

hey, not really sure where to ask this, but around the 395 ilvl mark - with 4set bonus what kinda of aoe would one expect from assassin. i'm just using the 5 target dummies in valdrakken. the difference with my s.priest is vast. like 106k vs 190k - does that sound right ?

[balmy condor]

Seems realistic

You could always sim 5 target dummies

And then see if you can hit that number

Or at least get close

[wet iron]

so is assa much weaker then aoe wise? (sorry i dont know much about rogues)

vs the other specs

[balmy condor]

Than spriest? Yeah

Assassination does single target and single target

[wet iron]

and vs other rogue specs

[balmy condor]

For aoe it’s usually sub > outlaw > Assassination

[royal lantern]

spriest is broken in aoe

assa is mid at best

soooooooooooooooooooooooo.............

[wet iron]

lol ye spriest is broken

how is sub at single target? is it much worse than assa - talking m+ mostly

[balmy condor]

Not really

[wet iron]

ah ok cool, thanks for that

helps to just have a better rough understanding

[molten galleon]

WE are progressing Senarth, and we are still missing some DMG in last Phase. Is there any good way to take 3th point of Zold? 🙂

[grim tangle]

just do more damage earlier in the fight you'll need less damage in the last phase

[subtle tundra]

thats not how the fight works

[keen spruce]

Zoldyks gains more value when there is an execute phase that is either disproportionaley long or has some specific damage check/requirement during that execute. Sennarth can be burned down during the entire fight to shorten the execute so losing overall dps for more execute damage doesn't make sense

[echo heath]

Make IC work with deathmark and let sin be broken for a while

[ebon notch]

@keen spruce were you the one talking about blessing of autumn not doing anything?

[keen spruce]

yeah

[ebon notch]

it does work

we just tested it

[keen spruce]

someone else had brought it up but all of my testing showed that nothing was affected

[ebon notch]

reduced the cd of deathmark

@limber lion use smart words

[limber lion]

So the timers in WoW are dynamic as are most of weak auras because they are directly pulled from the game.

What you can do is set up a real timer and then press the ability

[keen spruce]

I was just lookin at the cooldown on my action bars

unless the display there is also wrong

[limber lion]

There is no display

It just goes down faster

[keen spruce]

can you elaborate

[limber lion]

You just set up a timer, press the ability during autumn then look at the remaining duration of the ability after autumn ends

Let's say you press Deathmark then get Autumn

After 30s of Autumn, your Deathmark will have charged 15s faster

meaning that the cooldown is 1minute 45s instead of 2 minutes

[keen spruce]

hmm

[limber lion]

It's not something that the game shows you with fancy texts or effects

[keen spruce]

but theres no visual indicator that would suggest it

[limber lion]

And it appears to go down just as slowly as it would normally because it's quite minimal

[keen spruce]

i mean like the cooldown text on your action bars

[limber lion]

Yeah

It just ticks down faster

[keen spruce]

it just counts faster

ah

[limber lion]

It doesn't go from 120s to 95s

because it's not an instant effect

Autumn is a 30s buff

[keen spruce]

Paladin discord thinks that it is supposed to affect all abilities

[limber lion]

And during that buff cooldowns recharge 30% faster

It does

[keen spruce]

i guess it would be even harder to see on shorter CDs

[limber lion]

Yep

[keen spruce]

cuz the difference is so minimal

hmm well good to know

not like we're getting it cast on us anyways, but at least it's not broken

[limber lion]

Yeah it works on every ability that has a cooldown

even stuff like shroud

[keen spruce]

yeah when i was testing i ripped everything that had a number with a mix of before it was cast/during it's cast. I expected to see a CD number adjusted by X amount instantly when cast during autumn.

[frigid pilot]

howcome i see people with super zoomed cam, i have cam maxed and even tried maxcam addon

not working

[hollow river]

type this in your chatbox
/console cameraDistanceMaxZoomFactor 2.6

[frigid pilot]

ye its at 2.6

[hollow river]

i thought that was the max

only addons i know of that have that function are leatrixplus and dynamicCam i think

[thorn fjord]

They fixed that a while back

You were able to push it back at the start of DF with a console command

Fuckers fixed it

[vale shore]

does anyone else's stealth and vanish buttons grey out when in certain areas such as Imbu in Azure Span?

[hollow river]

weird, afaik the addons should still be able to do it. don't know for sure though

i know i used leatrix for all of SL for the extra cam zoom

[storm forum]

is a normal eranog ring worth over 415?

[thorn fjord]

@storm forum not for me

But I have brood heroic ring and 415 cos ring

Should try simming

[storm forum]

i guess i should just run the droptimizer

[thorn fjord]

Yeah that’s quick

[storm forum]

i was wondering before i got try to PUG normal

<.5% increase probably not worth the stam loss

[thorn fjord]

Eh if it’s an increase might as well pug jt… first boss shouldn’t be too much of a headache

[amber briar]

This happened to me and my girl the other night

General question 35 crit 11 haste 37 mastery 9 vers seem off ? I’m 383 ^

[mystic garden]

anyone else running into energy problems

should i be pooling energy instead of using every GCD the second i have it

i feel like im doing something wrong

[drifting cloud]

pooling correctly is less than 1% overall dps gain

if anything you will lose more dmg trying to do it

[mystic garden]

joy

[drifting cloud]

but yes theres definetly times where you can just not do anything for 3-4 globals

but dont try to overthink it

[mystic garden]

fun

ok so im not crazy about that

ty

[vale shore]

take a breath, sip some thistle tea and get back in there!

[vale shore]

so is this a bug or are these "no stealth zones"?

[thorn fjord]

No stealth zones

[vale shore]

sips thistle tea SPITS WHAT!?

[tiny finch]

what is the pandemic window for rupture again?

i know garrot is 6 sec

[drifting cloud]

!pandemic

[prisma monolith]

Pandemic takes up to 30% of the duration of a applied dot/buff and adds it to your new applied one. The duration depends on the new instance.
Example: Garrote (18 sec) can be extended by up to 5.4 seconds from an existing instance.
Note: Pandemic applies to most but not all debuffs/buffs

[tiny finch]

ty!

do we need a weak aura to optmize pandemic tho?

im so rusty lmao

[vale shore]

I usually do it in the last quarter of the dot, just going off the icon

unless its an empowered garrote from stealth, then I hit it on the opener after lighting up slice n dice

[tiny finch]

i generally use 6 sec to reaply garrote

and 8 sec for rupture, but im just following the old glowy weak aura that i had

[thorn fjord]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/LuxthosRogueDragonflight (Luxthos's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[tiny finch]

oh great idea will steal from theirs

[floral stone]

trying to learn assass and just dbl checking since it doesnt directly state it in the faq, you dont save deathmark for exsanguinate windows on ST right, just only when they naturally overlap

[lucid mirage]

You only save death mark to pair with vanish for empowered garrote

but they should always come up together

[floral stone]

ok thats what i figured was just doubing checking, ty

[keen spruce]

you can hold exang for deathmark tho

[static glacier]

you can "hold" dm for exsang if the fight wouldn't allow for an extra dm

aswell

[severe sparrow]

ive been struggling with dmg compared to ilvl across all specs and i finally did the math and looked at other rogues, and compared to the other sin rogue in my raid i have 1k less agi and im not sure how

by gear, i have 26 more, and we use the same consumables

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/compare/hpHLj1KXPmyDAkNJ/self#fight=8,8&source=3,6&type=summary what am i missing

[drifting cloud]

unless theyre hacking their number is probably just with battle shout or whatever

and yours isnt

and maybe some other buffs

who knows when the log snapshots those stats

[gusty mirage]

no it's an issue with crafted gear

sometimes it pulls from wowhead's database

at like an obscenely high ilvl

[drifting cloud]

ah ok because im looking and I have 7.8k agi unbuffed ingame at 419ilvl

[gusty mirage]

ye

sometimes it pulls the dagger

at like

450 ilvl

for whatever fucking reason

[severe sparrow]

ohhh yup that's it

he's actuall 7452

he still hits like 2k harder than me on everything

[gusty mirage]

side by side, your average hits are actually more than his

the only thing he beats you on is garrote

[severe sparrow]

i also realized ive been forgetting to use my pots tonight

[gusty mirage]

ye that'll also do it

[tiny finch]

thats so offensive lynari

[severe sparrow]

sorry cecil youre my favorite co-ass

[tiny finch]

CO ASS

im reporting

[severe sparrow]

butt buddies

[tiny finch]

[thorny pond]

@spice spire

congrats!

[spice spire]

[thorny pond]

you did it?

[spice spire]

No

@oak sky just calls me a wife guy because I’m a major simp for my fiancée

Just a joke

[grim tangle]

gratz

[thorny pond]

ah

[oak sky]

bro i had this chat muted

[spice spire]

Any askers?

[oak sky]

no

[spice spire]

Go back to ot papi

You’ve earned it

[oak sky]

dont have to tell me twice

[echo heath]

why cant my guild just live on spider boss

😢

bunch of greedy fucks

[idle coyote]

@balmy condor checking in on you after icey veins put us as the worst Mythic dps spec

Literally unplayable

[odd dew]

What if they made Indiscrimate Carnage a passive but your bleeds capped at 8 targets?
I feel a thing that makes us lackluster is we arent consistent with chain pulling because we dont always have ID up for every pack/pull

[balmy condor]

Who?

Tier list where?

By what content creator?

[bronze pike]

what but what about alll those aoe talents they made to improve sins aoe :)

[idle coyote]

Reddit lemme find it

[balmy condor]

I’m gonna be honest, I don’t think anyone reads those

No offense to @marble hemlock’s employer

But like

Icyveins Warcraftlogs reviews

Is uh

Not hitting that wide of an audience

[idle coyote]

Idk how to hide a message on cell phone so it’s not taking up everyone’s screen

[balmy condor]

Wake me up when the wowhead post comes out

People will read that

And shit post

[balmy condor]

< >

You gotta put the link in the middle of them

[idle coyote]

That would be insane

[idle coyote]

Where’s this in the faq?? I literally can’t do anything it doesn’t say

[balmy condor]

My bad

I’ll write up a section on how to ignore Warcraftlogs charts

[idle coyote]

Ty I’m literally the last ranked dps I can’t play the game

[balmy condor]

Real

[odd dew]

Would it? I feel like I can keepup with other classes/specs when ID is available but do fuck all if we pull a pack and its not up.
Would making it a passive but capping your Rupture/Garrote to 8 targets not make us just consistant with pulls?

[idle coyote]

No that would make us busted, we could keep up our single target damage on 8 targets

[balmy condor]

What’s ID

I didnt read

[odd dew]

IC sorry

[balmy condor]

Oh

IC being a passive would be stupid busted op yeah

At least for like 5-8 target

The capping thing is an interesting concept

Problem with that though is it would hurt our aoe a ton

Like academy would be unplayable

[idle coyote]

You don’t play sin for optimal aoe

[balmy condor]

Yeah but that’s what he’s trying to fix is it not

[odd dew]

Why would capping rupture/garrote to 8 targets make academy unplayable?
I feel you wouldnt be applying it anything more than that really with how IC is atm anyway.

And sure Sin isnt meant to be an AoE spec but we fall far behind other specs in AoE to just barely get infront for ST

[idle coyote]

Balance though

[balmy condor]

Oh Just garrote rupture

Yeah that’s fine

I thought you meant all bleeds

And capping ct to 8 would be killer

[odd dew]

Nah I just mean, IC is just a passive now but it caps at 8 so you cant just spam your bleeds and cheese big pulls

[balmy condor]

Sure

I mean it’s kinda already like that cause you have it every pull

There’s like a bit of downtime in the end of a pull

But yeah that’s definitely one way to buff it

[odd dew]

Some pulls feel awkward though, especially if you pull another pack halfway through one pull

[balmy condor]

Yeah but if you’re chain pulling you don’t really need to setup

You already have the energy

So you’re good to go

like it's a buff, of course

but if you're just gonna make it passive

then yeh

[idle coyote]

If it’s a high key I just go subt so I can turn off brain

[balmy condor]

the real benefit would be like 2-4 or 5 target

cause that's the part where IC kinda sucks

[idle coyote]

But tyran I’m mode popeye biscuit

[balmy condor]

it would make our cleave kinda ridiculous I would think

[odd dew]

Yeah small packs suck to deal with. I

[balmy condor]

but the aoe is mostly the same

[odd dew]

Yeah just a thought I had that might make us a bit more consistant throughout the dungeons

[balmy condor]

here's an idea for sin aoe right

[idle coyote]

The coolest thing would be if they removed puzzle box

[balmy condor]

CT explodes poisons on targets it hits

[odd dew]

oof sounds fun, like drops poison bombs?

[odd dew]

Don't take my puzzle away

[idle coyote]

Mine sits in bags I hate it

[balmy condor]

I was thinking more like you CT -> it takes like half the duration and it pops for aoe

would have to be like reduced or whatever

[idle coyote]

Wouldn’t that also be insane

[balmy condor]

yeah but there's a fuck ton of numbers you can tune on it

[odd dew]

Why? You can cast it while using Exsang as its not a GCD and you barely lose any time

[balmy condor]

could bring it in line eventually

like you can target cap that, make it deal reduced damage, lower the damage itself, lower the aoe

[idle coyote]

I’m a smol brain that’s all there is to it

[balmy condor]

you could even like ICD it

so mobs can't get hit by more than 2 ticks of it

or whatever

plenty of ways to make it work

[idle coyote]

Lower IC cooldown

[balmy condor]

would be thematic and scale into aoe, which is kinda the real issue

like sin is good at 1-2, decent at 6-8ish, and kinda rubbish everywhere else

[idle coyote]

It pwns up let fly mythic+

[balmy condor]

AP could be the fix for anything less than 8, had they just decided to do any tuning

idk

there's still very core foundational problems with sin aoe

cause it's a spec that hasn't changed since cata

and CT is problematic, the gameplay loop just is janky lowkey

so really the solution should be a full rework of anything cleave/aoe

but that's a lot of work

so they could just duct-tape it like usual

and add some shit in

like the poison pops (it's just echoing blades don't tell anyone)

or some other thing

[idle coyote]

Kingsbane

[balmy condor]

kingsbane now applies to all targets in range

there

sin fixed

[slow marsh]

Broken

[balmy condor]

think about the aoe dance synergy though

see

not broken now

you just synergize the really op talent with the really shit talent

and they balance out

[slow marsh]

I mean you do big damn for 12 seconds or whatever every minute

But no shrouded suff

[balmy condor]

like seal fate being 18% in dslice

im actually a little confused why they don't let scent of blood go crazy

[slow marsh]

They really fuckd kb by putting it on DTB

[balmy condor]

like sin has issues ramping with more targets

just buff scent

idk

[slow marsh]

You would think

[balmy condor]

add garrote to scent, remove cap

sin aoe fixed

[slow marsh]

It also would give some measure of 'skill expression '

[balmy condor]

it really wouldn't

scent is just a passive IC buff

[slow marsh]

It wouldn't but you could tell the denters who ask for it that it is

I started a feral druid today and already at level 11 its bleeds are way more satisfying than the 2 we have

[idle coyote]

Furry

[dreamy gull]

Idk why it's so much fun to play bleed specs

[jade abyss]

You enjoy to see things dying slowly

[gaunt moat]

It's kinda satisfying to keep things up

[snow zenith]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/compare/9hjbHrnBDNYKw32q/self#fight=29,29&type=damage-done&source=13,5

hello can you explaing me why my casts of envenom has less average dmg?

[balmy condor]

less mastery, less agility, lower ilvl mainhand dagger, no puzzle box

also looks like you missed an ER cast, so you're probably casting with less average cp

you also missed a shiv cast, so that doesn't help either

you also cast less tea than him, had lower sophic devo uptime on that pull, lower lariat uptime, had less elaborate planning uptime

hope that helps @snow zenith

[spice spire]

Insert ibai meme

[snow zenith]

Thank you very much

[gaunt moat]

2nd week in a row of bottom overall DPS.
The buffs are DEFINTELY coming

[balmy condor]

top 3 in boss damage

unlucky

no buffs

[gaunt moat]

Explain BM
Checkmate atheists

[balmy condor]

bm now equal to rogue

buffs worked

[gaunt moat]

That's a very loose meaning of equal

[balmy condor]

yep

balanced

looks good to me

[little light]

its ok cause outlaw is lower

🙂

[gaunt moat]

Just WATCH them buff outlaw only.

[little light]

could happen

blizz balance = wildcard!

[gaunt moat]

Dartboart balancing

[static glacier]

you forgot the bm brain debuff, -16 iq

[green juniper]

What u guys think

[balmy condor]

not really much to think about is there

their data says sin rogue does lower keys than sub and outlaw

seems reasonable to me, considering its the worst of the 3 specs in m+

worse spec does lower keys, lower keys means lower ranking

pretty straight forward stuff, dunno

[subtle tundra]

that list is not a how good the spec is list

[balmy condor]

yeh

I mean list just compares levels of keys done

[subtle tundra]

data interpretation is wild

[balmy condor]

sin doesn't do as high keys as sub/outlaw

[static glacier]

idk where they get their data from, shows 0 runs for some specs that are low which I know isn't true

[balmy condor]

it's the worst of the 3

[subtle tundra]

public logs

so yea its bad data

[gaunt moat]

We can do 20s and people think we're subs when they invite
So we're all good

[brazen zodiac]

do what i do when they ask why im sin

ask them why they arent unholy dk or BM or hunter or

[static glacier]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/32#class=Warlock&spec=Affliction&affixes=712

I mean the logs are public for these affixes

and just don't show up

[gaunt moat]

wtf does x with line over it mean

[royal lantern]

frost dk litearlly takes over unholy rn lol

[brazen zodiac]

time to make a lightforged dk

[royal lantern]

they overbuffed frost dk by so much, people are just AGAIN to slow to catch on

[static glacier]

sample mean

I play with a one trick frost dk and the 2nd dk played a lot of frost earlier into the expac, spec didn't seem bad

main issue is that breath isn't rewarding since they can keep it up permanently, just punishing if you get a mechanic or fuck up - shit design by blizz imo.

[grim jay]

Wait for 10.0.7

[grim jay]

Its about oblit, not breath, fuck breath

[static glacier]

obviously the buff impacted oblit

but im saying how they were before the buff

and why the class was seen as underpowered

[vestal wren]

its just like the popularity chart on raider.io

[grim jay]

Breath is a shitty ability anyways, thats why I'm happy for every fdk that you will most likely play oblit everywhere in 10.0.7 if it goes like this

Oblit is badly designed aswell bcs your second ressource is basically useless, might aswell only have runes

But its way better than breath

[royal lantern]

oh, so outlaw?

figures why smoothbrains want that gameplay then

[grim jay]

Kinda

[nocturne current]

Sort of fair, but definitely not a D, more like a C or B-; it ain't that bad.

But that, given the fact it's also mediocre in ST show how much love Blizzard has for assassination (again).

I was excited before the expansion until they started throwing all random nerfs and abilities.

[brazen zodiac]

just wait till our 5%

📈

🚀

[gaunt moat]

Anyday now

[nocturne current]

Never, because that would break PVP.

[grim jay]

Its still one of the better performing ST specs, so whatever. But some nerfs def werent needed

[gaunt moat]

Maybe after they nerf sin 3 more times in pvp

[brazen zodiac]

idk i was watching the arena stuff sin looks cool in pvp 👍

[static glacier]

if the repeat buffs to other specs didn't happen the sin nerf was justified

as it stands now they court revert the nerf and we's till be behind arms uh and bm

[royal lantern]

ah yes, because blizz never does pvp specific changes ever

like, tuning abilitys up and down every patch in minigame mode only

oh w8, that happens every single patch

[nocturne current]

What specific PVP changes lol

Nerfing an item

Half the time they have no fucking clue what to do with PVP, they design for PVE and let PVP be what it is, then if it messes with PVP they just nerf PVE

Its been like this since the game beta

80% of the kit you use is the same from PVE, even the rotation's the same

None of the PVP specific talents have an impact that they just touch the PVP specific talents, they barely even touched then. They're so afraid of tuning PVP they rather nerf the set by a whole 50% than touch any core ability

Only reason why you don't use Sepsis as of now, it's just because the damage was so broken and unhealable already in PVP that if they made it viable in PVE it would break PVP

Unless they did a whole special passive for PVP only for it

[balmy condor]

you.... you do realize they do pvp only tuning right

they can tune them separately

[verbal mantle]

[kind talon]

the buffs come next patch bro

[royal lantern]

litearlly the last balance change for assa was a PvP only change

[kind talon]

poor frost :(

[royal lantern]

lol

[balmy condor]

[nocturne current]

Yeah a lazy change, because they're so afraid of touching anywhere else but borrowed power.

Because anything they touch it would make it out scale and them having to re-calculate the abilities sclaing in pvp & pve all over again if they touch any ability.

Tune Bone Spike and now you have to dedicate man hours to recalculate all the scaling for pvp and pve separately.

[verbal mantle]

you should apply for a game designer job

definitely your stuff

[nocturne current]

Isn't design issue, it's them not wanting to invest more man hours for a larger balancing team

[royal lantern]

i mean, game balance is a really hard thing

like, REALLY hard

[nocturne current]

I don't blame the team because I'm sure they do the best they can with the limited time they have for it. Hence why you see these lazy 5% buffs and nerfs instead of going to fine tuning.

[royal lantern]

what else are they supposed to do instead of nerfing or buffing a talent or ability

[balmy condor]

[royal lantern]

"oh, its problematic, just delete and make something new xd" all the time?

[nocturne current]

Yeah what abilities hunters got buffed at lol. They just threw a generic 5% to all specs because they clearly just had limited time to fix the real issue, and then they just fine tune it 3-4 months from now or never at all and call it a day.

[tiny finch]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/LuxthosRogueDragonflight (Luxthos's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[nocturne current]

Hunters cry for survivability and they give it a 5% buff you know why?

Because if you give hunter proper survivability now you have a potential broken PVP spec.

It's been this dilema since day 1

So now you have a spec that continues making no sense but deals 5% more damage, they have no burst, no proper cleave, no surviv, but hey you do 5% more damage.. anyways

[normal mist]

But hunters arent bad in arenas tho

All 3 specs are doing fine

[nocturne current]

Yeah but that's what I'm saying, how do you balance now PVE without having to do tons of man hours not to screw PVP or do tons of ability separation

[subtle tundra]

What the fuck is a pvp

[nocturne current]

Like BM's a joke without the bow, touch anything in PVE to fix it and PVP blows, like give it a whole defensive passive for PVE and now its suddenly PVP meta.

Unless you do PVE only ability which

They could tune it so it wouldn't be reliable on the bow to be competitive.. But then they have to do all sorts of adjustments to PVP and I guess that takes a ton of man hours they dont have I guess, idk how they run the team budget

Anyway, this is assa channel, I should keep this to some other channel

[teal iris]

lol that made me curious how bad aff is atm

rank 1 afflock is only 2.9k wtf

[royal lantern]

its litearrly the same with assa

why play a spec that has more effort for LESS payoff

[empty tangle]

Wha poison you guys use in dungeon, raid, and pvp?

[balmy condor]

read faqs

[teal iris]

rank 1 assa is 3200 though

2900 is like giga low

[slow marsh]

Sin always talking about balance

[subtle tundra]

Yea ofc when we are always overshadowed in m+

[slow marsh]

True

Not saying it's bad

Just dude said this is assassination channel they should keep balance talk to another channel

[subtle tundra]

This is assa. Also known as off topic 2

[royal lantern]

3,2k is not high for people that push aswell

[tribal mauve]

!neck

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923750073499648/1055055765980844093/image.png Lariat can proc ANY gem you have equipped, in any slot.

[eternal quail]

so whats up with top logs not using exsang at all?

[odd heath]

What logs are you looking at?

[balmy condor]

Gonna have to be more specific than that, cause terros and raz are both over 75% play rate on exsang

[shrewd night]

inb4 Heroic

[balmy condor]

I have no clue what you’re referring to

[odd heath]

Only council isn't using exsanguinate

Others all using exsang lol

[balmy condor]

Even in heroic exsang play rate is in the 70-75% range

For pretty much every boss

Maybe he’s talking about mythic+ or something idk

Guess we’ll have to wait and see

[eternal quail]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Hg4kn32cabKhyxzJ#fight=3&type=damage-done

[balmy condor]

That is one log that doesn’t use exsang, yes

What’s the question exactly?

[odd heath]

Funny that the 3 logs above this one use exsang

But were skipped due to idk?

Lol

[slow marsh]

Prolly cuz it supports them not wanting to play exsang so they cherry picked it

[eternal quail]

i want to play it, its bugging my deathmark atm however

[shrewd night]

[spice spire]

How

[odd heath]

???

[shrewd night]

Are you pressing exsang after deathmark?

[eternal quail]

of course not

[shrewd night]

Then how does it bug

[balmy condor]

[eternal quail]

its not doubling the dmg

[balmy condor]

It’s not supposed to

Exsang cuts the duration in half and doubles the tick rate

They tick twice as fast

Same damage

[quasi pine]

Yeah It's just a 80% up in the tickrate, but still /2 the time left on your dots right?

[balmy condor]

Nah it’s 80% and whatever 80%

[quasi pine]

Oohh ok thought it was still/2

[balmy condor]

The damage the dots do stays completely equal

It’s the time that changes

The dot simply compresses

[eternal quail]

I understand how it works, let me link some other logs, sec

[balmy condor]

Okay so what do you mean by “not doubling the damage”

[quasi pine]

Maybe cause It's supposed to "double the dmg" in that time window

[balmy condor]

I mean he understands how it works

So idk

I haven’t heard of this bug

But I also have no clue what he’s talking about

Please sir a crumb of context

[eternal quail]

ignoring everything besides deathmark dmg here

[slow marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/fattig-gif-13082627

[eternal quail]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/wMTkjRH2yKa87LZX/#fight=5&type=damage-done&source=14

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Hg4kn32cabKhyxzJ#fight=3&type=damage-done&source=7

where is the dmg going

[balmy condor]

Well when you exsang->deathmark, it duplicates the sped up bleed, so you get more duplicated ticks inside of Deathmark, which is more ticks total

[eternal quail]

thats what I do every time

[balmy condor]

Okay

So what’s the bug

[shrewd night]

[balmy condor]

I can’t keep asking what the bug is over and over man

I mean I can

[quasi pine]

cast of exang

and dps of garrot

i think it's working?

[balmy condor]

The interaction works fine

I Just still have no idea what this bug is

Cause it’s impossible to get a straight answer

[eternal quail]

why is blakadders deathmark 1.29m, where aprroo is 2.33m

[quasi pine]

i mean it doesnt appear in the dmg counter if that's what he means, it goes directly to garrote and rupture

[eternal quail]

aprroo is 2.33m without exsang, blakadders is 1.29m with exsang

[spice spire]

Because they both cast the same amount of dms (2) and blakadders fight was 1 minute 40 seconds longer

What

[eternal quail]

both only 2 casts, just comparing the deathmark dmg here

[quasi pine]

wait garrote + ex it's like 10s max no? before garrote runs out?

[balmy condor]

Well blakadder for starters didn’t sync puzzle box or exsang for his second dm

[quasi pine]

and idk but garrot at 3s of fight and then ex and no garrot refresh till 23s seems weird

[brazen zodiac]

the day u find out is the day we have peace in the lands

[quasi pine]

maybe ran out before the deathmark

[spice spire]

Blakadder is also 5 ilvl less and doesn’t have PI

[balmy condor]

Also aprroo casts tea with Deathmark every time, which gives him more mastery, which will inflate the Deathmark number

[spice spire]

Among a million other reasons

[balmy condor]

Like

Idk man

[quasi pine]

there is a tons of reasons why

it's not a bug

[balmy condor]

You linked a garbage log that doesn’t pad deathmark damage

And a decent log that does

It’s not surprising that the Deathmark is gonna crank if the guy is trying to crank it

[eternal quail]

so aprroo finds over a mill damage from just deathmark, without exsang, by lining up puzlebox, tea and PI?

[brazen zodiac]

sounds about right

[odd heath]

4k mastery from puzzlebox + % from tea and haste % from PI. Yeah

[quasi pine]

yup It looks like it

[balmy condor]

20% haste, almost 40% mastery

Makes sense to me

[shrewd night]

I mean, sounds alot more plausible than saying its a bug without being able to answer straight what the bug is.

[eternal quail]

i never said anything about a bug!

[shrewd night]

"Its bugging out my deathmark"

[balmy condor]

This you?

[odd heath]

?

[eternal quail]

nope lol

🙂

[spare bobcat]

wut

[brazen zodiac]

it was lightiegirl

[balmy condor]

[brazen zodiac]

[odd heath]

🤡

[balmy condor]

Is this an elaborate troll or something

[brazen zodiac]

[balmy condor]

What the fuck is happening

[brazen zodiac]

its an alternate reality whisp

[balmy condor]

Is there a hidden camera

I’m getting pranked right

[odd heath]

His dog typed, he didn't know

[brazen zodiac]

turn around

[royal lantern]

the alternate reality where whisp is not a e-girl

worst timeline

[spice spire]

He’s an ilady

[brazen zodiac]

when i first turned into whisp stream i really was surprised to see that he wasnt some depressed egirl

and just a rogue gamer with green hair and racoon eyes

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/raccoon-ayasan-gif-24417804

[balmy condor]

My eyes say I don’t sleep, but my brain says no sleep

Killer combo

[brazen zodiac]

have you tried dyeing your hair again

usually that eases the voices for a few weeks

i just did mine red 👍

[spare bobcat]

Brain: You're tired. You:Take a Nap. Brain: Absolutely not.

[balmy condor]

It’s 7am

You think I sleep today?

[spare bobcat]

It's tuesday and you're a wow nerd. You may sleep during server reboot

[balmy condor]

I went to bed at 8am yesterday, and woke up at noon

And now it’s 7am

[gentle gyro]

ok, i take a few weeks break to play classic, i return and...kingsbane unplayable?

[balmy condor]

And I can’t sleep

[balmy condor]

Correct

[gentle gyro]

omegaSadge

[brazen zodiac]

i take a few weeks to play retail i return to classic and maladath is bricked

[balmy condor]

Malawho?

[brazen zodiac]

COME ON

too soon

[gentle gyro]

classic is cool, but sin rogue is literally 2 buttons and my guild is incapable of clearing ulduar hardmodes

[ebon notch]

i was in general chat with the homies doing keys till 8 am

[gentle gyro]

so retail it is

[spare bobcat]

At first they came for my exsanguinate. I said nothing(jk) because I didn't like exsanguinate. Then they came for my KB. I said nothing because I don't like button bloat anyway. Perhaps soon we'll just be an AA class as god intended

[gentle gyro]

play classic.
mut mut env mut mut env

[balmy condor]

100% envenom uptime god bless

[brazen zodiac]

i thought simon said it was combat time xD is sin still op?

[balmy condor]

Wait that’s our rotation on retail though

[spare bobcat]

Had to go combat and EA bot 😦

[gentle gyro]

pressing garrote or rupture is a dps loss

[brazen zodiac]

haha

what r the odds i can find a new guild on mally

[gentle gyro]

when i say mut mut env I mean that literally.

[spice spire]

Called me Joe rogan too man

wtf

[spare bobcat]

Love WOTLK Classic Ass rotation

[ebon notch]

no minalba asked why i sounded like joe rogan

[brazen zodiac]

do you?

[spice spire]

Because you were copying me

He did at that time

[brazen zodiac]

actually better question did he sound like him or was he saying stuff that joe rogan would say 🤔

[ebon notch]

:thinkspin

wtf

where is thinkspin

NO

[brazen zodiac]

pepelove gone too i think :C

[spice spire]

Get woke buddy

[spare bobcat]

You're finished

[shrewd night]

[autumn frost]

how accurate are the weekly dps rankings for voti... I was looking it says we're number 25 in overall damage

also says we're 4th for boss damage

[balmy condor]

Correct

[autumn frost]

pain

[balmy condor]

On both of those

[autumn frost]

I was hoping my eyes were tricking me

[balmy condor]

Assassination add damage doesn’t exist

No platforms on dathea, no adds on diurna, intermissions are trash on raz, we don’t cleave very well on spider and kurog, we’re one of the worst on council

Is what it is

We do damage to 1 target and only 1 target

[autumn frost]

Do you think if they gave us baseline crimson, that would help?

[balmy condor]

You mean would getting an aoe talent, help our aoe?

[oblique jackal]

Yes 100%

[balmy condor]

Idk seems like pretty reasonable logic to me

[autumn frost]

i meant more like would it be enough

[oblique jackal]

Whispyr.. did Realz say anything about the useless shiv talent that they gave us

[balmy condor]

Oh, no lmao

[balmy condor]

Nop

[oblique jackal]

RIP

A useless capstone talent

[ebon notch]

im waiting for the overbuff

double target count

[echo heath]

Sin rework when?

[ebon notch]

double its damage

wreak havoc

[balmy condor]

We take all the aoe we can on council and we’re one of the worst specs on it

Can’t be salvaged

Need to rework cleave and aoe from the ground up

[oblique jackal]

I feel like they over nerfed us before raid

[balmy condor]

CT carnage and scent of blood just aren’t working

[ebon notch]

were there other suggestions from beta that you think would be a better replacement?

[balmy condor]

I don’t remember

But like

Replace flying daggers with poisoned knives or something

Would instantly help

[ebon notch]

as in swap them or

[balmy condor]

Buff scent so it’s not just a carnage buff

[ebon notch]

i dont remember what poisoned knives is

[balmy condor]

Legion artifact trait that made fok do a portion of poison damage on targets as additional damage

Basically echoing blades without the degenerate shit that echoing blades had

Flying daggers is just such a joke talent

The poisoned knives on the tree we have now is kinda mid as fuck too

Could buff it

Could make fok 2cp baseline

Could buff scent

Could rework exsang into something that helps on all target counts

Could make venomous wounds do damage again

Could do many many things

[ebon notch]

im assuming its a 10.1 thing

with a sub rework for the nightstalker changes

but who knows

[steel ridge]

We havent heard anything about rogue for quite a while

[burnt star]

They kinda did and early too

Also remember the animarche cp reduction

[ebon notch]

i mean we couldnt rly anticipate the reworks and buffs/nerfs other specs got

that resulted in us being put behind

we're kinda using the gift of hindsight

[burnt star]

Fine. But maybe its time to adjust now

[steel ridge]

Sin went from #1 to last

[ebon notch]

we were still very strong after the nerfs in comparison to others

[steel ridge]

[ebon notch]

last in what metric?

sin is still a very good raid spec

its just not the best

[burnt star]

Its just last in this aoe favored raid

Wich is... padd city

[steel ridge]

Cope, every raid has aoe

[ebon notch]

yes but you're looking at a ST specialist in the context of aoe

sure this raid has multiple aoe favoured scenarios

but assa is performing well at what it specialises in

which is pure boss damage

if you have a problem with the flexibility of the spec then thats fine

[steel ridge]

ST specialist getting absolutely gapped by bm hunters

[ebon notch]

assa rogue absolutely gapping 90% of other specs in single target

beaten by 2 outliers and close to 2 others

the amount of doomers in this channel is so annoying honestly

it makes it sound like the spec is unplayable

[steel ridge]

i am not a doomer

[burnt star]

Need to remember that dk/bm are also getting pi'ed

[ebon notch]

yeah

unholy dk without PI is kinda meh

its basically the venth boomie or demo lock of this tier

[burnt star]

Pi gives us like 6k

[ebon notch]

gives them over 10k

[burnt star]

No i mean

Add that to the metric

Wr wouldnt be that far behind

Seeing how close we are

[ebon notch]

true but that is not a good lens to view logs through

you cannot just mentally add dps to things that arent there

cause that isnt the real world

[steel ridge]

I haven’t gotten PI since week1

[burnt star]

I mean it is.. u need to consider external buff on singular class. Blizz is clearly not designing their balance around that

[ebon notch]

i only get pi cause it lines up with spriest PI

[steel ridge]

Now substract windfury

Assa without wf is just not good

[strange python]

This isn't entirely true. It's like fifth and it's not even 1% ahead of the 5 other specs right behind it

[steel ridge]

its just ok

[ebon notch]

not even 1%?

are you sure about that

[strange python]

Did you just look up stats by all bosses by boss damage?

[ebon notch]

filtering for 95th percentile also

[strange python]

Because you know why that's incredibly misleading right?

Specs that CAN pick up multi target will, and will reduce their boss damage. You need to look at ST damage in a ST context.

[steel ridge]

Boss dmg is scuffed, many specs are assigned to adds on diurna

[strange python]

^

Or multiple plats on dathea, or primarily spec to kill adds on kurog, etc. It's not that their boss damage is worse, it's a choice.

You have to look at terros to judge ST capability

Most of those other specs could do Sin ST if they wanted, but they're choosing cleave

[steel ridge]

assa being anything else than #1 in pure ST is just horrible

[strange python]

I mean BM is also pure dogshit at AoE

Sins not the only st niche spec

But it's definitely not as far ahead on st as it should be

[ebon notch]

true, in this tier with the very few ST encounters its representation will not be amazing

[burnt star]

This is 95th percentile on terros

[strange python]

I feel like you just didn't read a word I said

[burnt star]

See how its really not "that" goood

[ebon notch]

but there have been misrepresentations over assa's viability in the raid this tier

[ebon notch]

people arent speccing ST because theyre doing AOE

i read and understood it

it just meant i needed to change how i presented my point on viability in this tier

[strange python]

Sin being 5k behind BM on terros means the spec is desperately undertuned.

[burnt star]

The point was assa wasnt even 1% ahead of other

[ebon notch]

BM is also certainly overtuned

[burnt star]

Terros log shows exacly.that

[ebon notch]

like

they just got a 5% buff

[strange python]

And being barely ahead of frost dk and outlaw and fury

[ebon notch]

they were strong before the buff

[molten galleon]

hate it that outlaw is even viable in ST \o/

[strange python]

I think "sin wasn't overnerfed and doesn't need buffs" is a hard stance to take when a spec with a pure-ST niche is competing with cleave specs for ST damage

[steel ridge]

Outlaw has to play some very cursed build for pure ST, which is horrible imo

[strange python]

But casuals whined about rogue so we got fucked and now it's sub until next tier and hopefully we don't get reactionary balance according to community bitching

[ebon notch]

i dont believe that sin doesnt need buffs/changes

i just said that when they were originally nerfed at the beginning of the tier the landscape for specs was very different

the arms warrior changes for example were huge to their overall performance in the raid

[molten galleon]

@steel ridge I dont mind, I just think that the specc identity is something real different, its about heavy Cleave dmg but still good in ST dunno that just does not fit

and hating outlaw anyway lol

[strange python]

I mean. Nerfing the spec that only does ST based on heroic logs, knowing mythic has more adds, and before tier sets came in, was always incredibly scuffed

[steel ridge]

Nah outlaw is fine, maybe Dispatcher needs a slight buff compared to Ambusher

[molten galleon]

I want the KB Build to be stronger than DTB, so much more fun to play and more Skill expression.

@steel ridge huh, not saying Outlaw is bad, I just heavly dislike it lol :

[steel ridge]

Your loss, ER/KiR is peak gameplay

[snow meteor]

Hi all, I heard this is the best place to go for Rogue business but first I would like to say Happy Valentines Day. In honor of this day and to be part of the gang (https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS1034US1034&tbm=vid&sxsrf=AJOqlzUBIq-toa1Svjnm0bt6A-A-126dSw:1676386881749&q=the+little+rascals+valentine&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjQwN7ko5X9AhWwkGoFHb90DXEQ8ccDegQIFxAH&biw=2048&bih=1011&dpr=1.88#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:49c86d8e,vid:m5-oZFXSKIs) I would like to start and ask my very first question... What are the ideal talents/glyphs config for a new/low geared Assassination Rogue going into Ulduar?

[steel ridge]

#classic-discussion

[molten galleon]

@steel ridge I played it a ton in SL and Start of DF aswell, just highliy dislike the randomness and type of play, just feels 0 like rogue. Used to love Combat back in the days. Also the Pirat/Outlaw theme disgusts 😄

[limber lion]

randomness?

[steel ridge]

Subjective randomness

[molten galleon]

where is it subjective ?

[steel ridge]

its the least random it has been in a while

[dreamy gull]

wtf i dont remember finding this dagger

[molten galleon]

Doesnt Change that is Random 😄

[gusty mirage]

looks like the terros dagger

[dreamy gull]

oh

i was raiding while super fucked up last night

so maybe thats wh

y

[gusty mirage]

would you say sub rogue is random?

or assassination?

[dreamy gull]

yahtzee ninja

[gusty mirage]

because every spec in the game has quite a bit of variance

and outlaw isn't any larger of a variance than the other specs

[dawn kelp]

B2B guzzlers in vault

[gusty mirage]

421 pbox too

[frigid pilot]

lel

[steel ridge]

Lfr terros?

[dreamy gull]

maybe

[dawn kelp]

Yeah 424 guzz last week, 421pb this week 📈

[steel ridge]

Hey hey leave some good loot for me you feckers

[dreamy gull]

https://i.imgur.com/KwfNpFT.jpeg

[steel ridge]

Lfr main gaming

[dreamy gull]

its better than trying to find a mythic game ngl

[frigid pilot]

bold move linking an lfr vault

[dreamy gull]

honestly i have 0 friends so its not my fault i dont have any better rewards

[deft vault]

You can pug heroic and normal

[steel ridge]

Make friends

join a guild

Look for people with a common goal

[dreamy gull]

is normal harder than lfr

or the same

[steel ridge]

Lfr is harder than normal with people that are not apes

[dreamy gull]

ok but i barely have a pulse im not contributing to the raid regardless

[frigid pilot]

still using 415 offhand

my trinket luck has been nuts though

got offered puzzle and whetstone in vault b4

[steel ridge]

Lfr raszageth is peak progression raiding

If you can suffer through that, you are already a curve-able player

[dreamy gull]

i havent done the diurna raszageth raid yet

[steel ridge]

oh boi

what are you even doing here then? Stop wasting your time in this god forsaken place and play the game

shitposting in class discords is not playing the game

[unreal bear]

heroic raz is legitimately easier than lfr raz

[steel ridge]

Leave that to the apes (like me)

[dreamy gull]

i looked up 1 video about how to fight raz

forgot everything about it

tiem to queue

[steel ridge]

Thats the way

[frigid pilot]

when your guild hasnt killed diurna yet

[dreamy gull]

i mean dont most boss fights come down to not standing in the swirly parts of the floor

wonder if i can solo this

maybe ill try and vanish if things go south

update

[steel ridge]

[odd heath]

Easier as outlaw, more hp sustain. Or you can try to burst it down with all CDs, lust and pot as assa xD

[dreamy gull]

https://i.imgur.com/9tHCUpR.png

im rly happy with this

considering i felt hardstuck at 343 a couple weeks ago

[limber lion]

yeah take your time, enjoy the game

[willow tendon]

So this is more of a sim question but I figured I could ask here anyway, since valor is unlocked and every item I have I can technically farm enough for it to be at a higher ilvl, is there a way to while simming top gear make every item the same ilvl to find the best combination of items?

[limber lion]

You use Droptimizer for that.

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/droptimizer

But if you already have all the items and you want to compare the items that you own only, then you just press the + sign next to the item and choose the ilvl you want. By pressing the + and choosing 415, another item that's 415 appears.

[willow tendon]

Ohh okok thanks!

[spice spire]

This is the most wholesome experience in wow.
I love it so much

[slow marsh]

Meanwhile I'm reeeeeeing that I'm only 399