assassination

[regal bough]

Can I post a log here and get some suggestions or is that a no no?

[gusty mirage]

can swap nearest player for /targetnearestenemy as well

[gaunt moat]

before you do that, i suggest checking wow analyzer

[proper tapir]

For me too but it is very close to crit/mast in ST and those gain much more in multi target.

[regal bough]

Is WoW analyzer up to date for sin

[ruby aspen]

thx

[gaunt moat]

if you mean if it's set up for current patch? yeah

[rotund wagon]

I don’t look at stat weights really and my equipped haste is still a fair bit lower than my mastery/crit but it’s not nothing either. And really if a situation calls for multi target I’m more prone to go outlaw or sub unless I feel like some crimson tempest sounds fun

[regal bough]

Yikes 43 wasted CP before p2 in h raz

A lot of that is sealed fate waste.

[oak sky]

Sealed fate waste is fine

[proper tapir]

Sure, I get that. Most raid fights aren't pure ST (only Terros), if you FoK or bleed other targets on Ergnog/Dathea/Spider/Raz then maybe crit/mast would actually give you better dps... But maybe not, idk.

[regal bough]

Yeah it was 30 SF waste

[gusty mirage]

yea you can ignore seal fate waste

[regal bough]

But I can still clean up the mut waste

[gusty mirage]

cause I mean it's inevitable

if you get unlucky on 2x mutilates

and end up at 4

you mutilate again and it crits

that's 2 wasted right there, ya know?

[regal bough]

Yeah

[rotund wagon]

My guild isn’t setting any land speed records for clearing content here. Plenty people are going full aoe builds on any fight that has any amount of adds. I’m happy with my zug zug, I’m lucky to even be able to throw a spike sometimes on the big add on eranog

[proper tapir]

Then get that haste, Boi!!

[rotund wagon]

Haha thanks that’s the plan

[proper tapir]

One thing to watch out for is bone spike CPs, they come in slightly delayed. Sometimes that can be tricky to play around.

[regal bough]

Yeah I had 3 total missed there.

My raid team has just enough dps with Vantus runes/lust in p1 to skip the second set of sparks.

So we aren’t setting records either lol.

[simple gulch]

why does shuriken storm generate much more combo points than FoK?

[regal bough]

Ninjas

[gaunt moat]

Because.

[simple gulch]

u need like insane target counts to get max combo points from fan of knives

it's annoying

[gaunt moat]

30 sounds about right.

last rasz i had 31 wasted from seal fate

and 10 from mut

[regal bough]

Do you guys, in intermission 1, get your bleeds rolling in the big guy and throw 1 extra rupture and garrote out and then spam fan and envenoms? Or you just unload the bleeds and then not bother with bleeding the adds since they don’t live forever.

[gaunt moat]

yes, i sbs it, garrote, rupture
then FoK > envenom

and try to kick adds

[regal bough]

Mine is wasted by start of p2 cause that’s as far as we get lol. I hope it’s not doubled when we finally kill it

[gaunt moat]

ah.
well, my general advice for build CPs:
start with mutilate, then see how many you've got.
if it's only 2, mutilate again.
if it's above, use sbs (if available)
and you've got Shivs too

but basically, don't unload all your sbs at once, weave it while building CPs

try to minimize the usage of mutilate at 4 CP

[wind dune]

feels good but also bad, replacing the 421 hunger i just got last week with the incarnate

[thorn fjord]

Good luck on vault today boys and girls

May all your dreams come true

[gaunt moat]

Give me 421 pants

stiil using 389 🥲

[wind condor]

well this is a nice surprise

[vestal wren]

nice, gz

[thorn fjord]

no ring yet again @gusty mirage 😦 but i did get an icon

[gusty mirage]

I got trash

Easiest socket of my life

[thorn fjord]

How many sockets is that now 😦

[gusty mirage]

But realistically I have very little upgrades left

Just one

[thorn fjord]

Ah ok

Yeah same barely any upgrades

You guys get a torch drop on the brood kill?

[gusty mirage]

Yeah we got one

[thorn fjord]

pog

[gusty mirage]

Torch is 154 dps for me so I didn’t even bother

[rotund wagon]

got ring last week and icon the week before, this week was going to feel bad no matter what compared to those 2 haha

[gusty mirage]

Tru

[thorn fjord]

mythic torch still 1.4ish% for me

[gusty mirage]

Do you have a tank and healer with icon?

[thorn fjord]

Healer maybe

Not on tank tho

[gusty mirage]

Yea we have both

So that’s why grief not as big

[thorn fjord]

Icon is still a big upgrade though

replaces my heroic icc

[gusty mirage]

Triple buff icon is actually juiced af

[thorn fjord]

CCT*

[nocturne current]

Somebody been slacking 20's 😛

[gusty mirage]

You’ll get your ring today

I feel it in my giblets

[thorn fjord]

I have a toddler 😛

[nocturne current]

Ah, congrats man!

[thorn fjord]

So now i gotta decide whether to run Puzzle box or Torch with my icon

We got people dying left and right so the torch value is big

but PB -_-

yeah for sure it wants PB over Torch https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qdom8aJ2mMXGFUfXJjmWFC

I guess torch was fun while it lasted

[gritty schooner]

on what time of the fight should i use manic ?

on start?

[trail tree]

on cd

thats what i do anyway

[thorn fjord]

Do the other icon users need to be in your same grp or is it raid wide?

[frigid pilot]

r u guys crafting crit haste or crit mast

feel like crit haste kinda all in as ST sin

but makes u dog for other aoe fights etc.

[subtle tundra]

not really how stats work

[vestal wren]

icon is raid wide

they changed it in one of the patches

[thorn fjord]

Ty

[gusty mirage]

@thorn fjord welcome to the icon gang

[versed canopy]

anyone know how good Ruby welp is good for assassination?

[barren hare]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/syGgUfcBnvidgzQFLJq964 For some reason icon is better than torch now?

[gaunt moat]

raidbots knows

but there are much better trinkets

[barren hare]

icon gang

did grieftorch get nerfed or something

[thorn fjord]

Mythic torch still simming much higher than mythic icon for me

[barren hare]

mm my torch is only heroic

[thorn fjord]

Heroic one is lower by a lot

[barren hare]

and mythic icon

[thorn fjord]

Yeah same

[barren hare]

guess we going back to icon!

[sudden canyon]

if i use the catalyst to craft a tier peice from a m+ piece will it retain the upgradable aspect of it, or can you only get upgradable tier from the vault?

[thorn fjord]

I only got to enjoy torch for one week lol @barren hare

[gusty mirage]

are you simming it with all 3 buffs active?

[barren hare]

how you do that

[thorn fjord]

Only healer and dps @gusty mirage

Don’t think our tanks have one

[gusty mirage]

at the bottom where you set consumables

[thorn fjord]

@barren hare option at the bottom.. it’s set to tank dps heals by default

[gusty mirage]

try it with tank now :3

[barren hare]

ty

[thorn fjord]

Yeah I saw it’s pretty huge

[barren hare]

did they nerf torch or something

[gusty mirage]

no

[oak pulsar]

hey quick question i got these as options in vault

but when i sim the pants as catalyzed it says they do less dmg then my 418?

[slow marsh]

stats?

[oak pulsar]

crit vers but their tier and im wearing tier 418 so they are the same stats

[slow marsh]

oh true

did you sim with armor kit?

yeah

weird idk

[oak pulsar]

yep it has the armour kit on

like it has to be a glitch ya?

[slow marsh]

seems like it

[barren hare]

it might be

that if u convert it to teir

it have more stats cause is 421

and you might be going over

[slow marsh]

unless we got a secret hotfix that makes avoidance do big dam

na it's crit vers so it's not gonna go over that much

just seems like a bug on raidbots side with cata

[oak pulsar]

ya its literally 8 more points of crit and like 5 more points of vers

[barren hare]

yeah weird

[spice spire]

316 might be within margin of error

Which is a crazy thought to me

[onyx linden]

Has anyone confirmed we can actually still get spark of ingenuity from dirt after the nerf?

just horrible rate?

[frank stag]

411 Grieftorch vs 421 Icon
Specifically on Prog M Kurog (17% last week) and Broodkeeper
Thoughts?

[limber lion]

sim

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/sim-text-drop-yellow-gif-16391383

[rare jackal]

when someone asks where i get the info on what to equip

[royal lantern]

i want to live in sim city

everything is optimal simmed by our robot overlords

[rare jackal]

give china 20 more years and your wish will come true

[royal lantern]

weird comment, but ok

[marble hemlock]

dont you know? China evil!

[royal lantern]

good old casual Sinophobia

[deft vault]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[drifting cloud]

do you have main stat gem in neck and the sim is replacing it with a normal one?

or why is lariat showing there

its always better to just link the sim than us guessing from pictures because most of the time its user error not sim :d

[prisma cypress]

funny how some people are so quick to play the "sinophobia" card at the first whiff of criticism of china

makes you think

[royal lantern]

yes sorry

im a paid shill

lets just ignore that the guy came and went "china bad" without any context at all 🙂

[zinc frost]

[torn spoke]

does the engineering flame thrower do any good dmg ?

[royal lantern]

no

[torn spoke]

or should i use the BR tinker insted ?

[chilly marsh]

is there any other tinker worth it ?

BR is the only one people use

[torn spoke]

okay i realy dont know started recently and havent dived in to crafting so deep yet 🙂 so BR it is then thanks ❤️

[royal lantern]

no

even the CR sucks

cus it has a failure rate of 7million %

[torn spoke]

then what should we use ?

[royal lantern]

w/e you want lol

there is no enforced profession

[torn spoke]

well no but iam engineerer and got 1 peace of armor with tinker so wanted to equip it with smth usefull

[frank stag]

I know what the sim says, which is why I wanted thoughts. Obviously having ppl die on prog so you can use the torch 10 times isn't so cut and dry as "sim."

[wide ridge]

getting back to sin for m+ to spice things up, do yall just go DTB+IC for all weeks or is it worth it to take execute dmg+arterial precision for fortified weeks?

[royal lantern]

i mean, if 2 trinkets sim the same

but torch gains more value from people dying

[marble hemlock]

if people are dying 10times youre not gonna kill the boss anyway

[royal lantern]

i would PERSONALY use the torch

[frank stag]

I was waiting for that comment and almost added more

[marble hemlock]

people have to be alive to kill the boss

[frank stag]

Obviously it was an exaggeration.

[royal lantern]

ateriual is giga shit

[marble hemlock]

if youre fresh progging on kurog, odds are even 2 dead people will be a wipe to enrage

[royal lantern]

like, its the biggest pile of poop you can imgagine

you never play AP

[wide ridge]

not even zoldyck?

[frank stag]

And as I said, 17% last week...

[limber lion]

You play AP on Council, but that's pretty much it

[wide ridge]

hm I see

im assuming this is still correct right? i just ignore kingsbane

[limber lion]

Ye

[gusty mirage]

hi cev

[wide ridge]

ty

[limber lion]

hi oxi

[gusty mirage]

do you offer lessons on how to be as handsome as you?

[lament warren]

do you?

[lost idol]

can someone explain to me how weakaura works cause holy shit i dont get it

[lament warren]

what about it specifically confuses you

[lost idol]

this is on my screen, but why is some of em grey and some of em colored

[spice spire]

Yeah that’s a bit of a loaded wuestik.

[lament warren]

so generally

when they're grey

it's a setting authors select to show that something is on cooldown

or that a buff is not up

it's a stylistic choice

garrote and rupture are grey because your current target (or you have no target) does not have them

slice and dice is grey because you don't have the buff

if you go to a mob and press exsanguinate, you should find that it goes grey

and shows a cooldown timer

[spice spire]

(I’m colorblind and I see nothing I’m so sorry)

Wpw doing great expo tho

[lost idol]

yeah it goes on cooldown

but is there a way to somehow show me what skills when to press

like with weakauras

[lament warren]

no

you're looking for Hekili

[lost idol]

ouch

[spice spire]

Wel yeah, there is but not a weak aura

[lament warren]

https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/hekili

[spice spire]

Like they said, hekili, and there are other rotation helpers as well

[lament warren]

I would recommend doing some practice on your own external to using hekili to try and understand the reason you press buttons

will help with encounter flexibility

and you're always free to ask questions here, tho I think usually those questions are answered in #assassination-faq

[lost idol]

i'll explain the shortest I can on how I use my stuff ;d so I stack to 5, use deathmark, garote, crimson tempest and then exsanguinate

i dunno if im doing it right or no ;d

[spice spire]

No

[lost idol]

when I looked at the skills it looked like I should use it just like this

I guess I was wrong ;d

[lament warren]

so Exsanguinate employs a mechanic that used to exist in the game called snapshotting

[lost idol]

in noob terms if you can please

[lament warren]

yeye

which is where when you apply a debuff to a target it "snapshots" your stats

so bleeds in wow scale with haste

and they are dynamic

which means that every debuff in wow scales with your stats

[lost idol]

[lament warren]

if you get a 1000 mastery bonus in the middle of your garrote

your garrote gets extra damage from that

if you get a 1000 haste bonus, your garrote gets damage from that too

what exsanguinate does is it snapshots haste, specifically

haste adds "ticks" to garrote

it reduces the interval of time between when the bleed does damage

so that it does more damage per cast

so we can say

if you press garrote on a target, you get 20 ticks

and if you have a 2000 haste bonus, you get 30 ticks

the 30 ticks does more damage, because the duration of garrote does not change

this is how debuffs generally increase damage with haste

[lost idol]

I kinda get where you're going but im kinda lost

[lament warren]

sure

which part can I explain better

[lost idol]

1000 mastery bonus and etc

[lament warren]

sure

so mastery is a stat that increases the damage of your bleeds and poisons by x%

where x is your mastery

so if you have 1000 mastery (random number) and that converts to 50% mastery stat (random number again)

your bleeds and poisons will do 50% more damage

[lost idol]

ah i see

[lament warren]

so y ou apply a garrote with tha tmuch mastery

if you get a 10 second buff that gives you 1000 more mastery

and that puts you at like 75% mastery

for those 10 seconds, your garrote is doing 75% increased damage instead of 50%

and after those 10 seconds, it goes back down to the flat 50%

[lost idol]

ok we got a problem now tho, what if im lvl42 and i got nun to boost my mastery ;d

[lament warren]

well then you just vibe

the game is not designed around playing it at low levels

[lost idol]

yeah ig

[lament warren]

so exsanguinate snapshots haste

that means

if you have 1000 haste bonus

and you apply a garrote

and you press exsanguinate

exsanguinate creates a new bleed

with that 1000 haste bonus baked into it

so that if you lose your 1000 haste bonus after you press exsanguinate, that bleed still does that amount of damage

[lost idol]

oke, one last thing I want to kindly ask, maybe you can you know type me the combo, the whole stuff on what and when to use, if you can of course, I read the assassination faq and it's like rocket science to me

[lament warren]

so this is what you wrote

i'll explain the shortest I can on how I use my stuff ;d so I stack to 5, use deathmark, garote, crimson tempest and then exsanguinate

you never want to deathmark first because deathmark works retroactively

so if you have a garrote then you deathmark

[lost idol]

retroactively?

[lament warren]

it duplicates that garrote that exists

yeah

if you deathmark -> garrote

it takes you 1 second to cast that garrote

which is 1 second of deathmark that you're spending on nothing

deathmark will duplicate bleeds and poisons that are already present on the target

[lost idol]

oh shit it duplicates the ones that are already on

[lament warren]

yes

[lost idol]

I thought it duplicates any further bleeds

after you cast it

[lament warren]

nope

[lost idol]

well shit ;d

[lament warren]

so remember before how I said exsanguinate snapshots stats

and creates a new bleed

it does that for every single bleed on your target

deathmark is a bleed

so when you press exsanguinate and deathmark is on the target

you're halving its duration

which is bad, because most of the damage comes from its dot duplication and not the damage the button itself does

so instead of 20 seconds of duplicated dots, you're only getting 10

[lost idol]

it aint even 10

its 80% shorter

[lament warren]

exactly

[lost idol]

so I get like 4 secs of bleeds

;d

ouch

[brazen zodiac]

f

[lament warren]

so what you generally want to do

is stack up a couple big bleeds (garrote, rupture)

to their max duration

and then exsanguinate

and then deathmark

[lost idol]

I thought that it works like this: you press it when your enemy has a bleed and all the bleeds do the same damage but in 80% shorter time

[lament warren]

so that you can duplicate the snapshotted bleeds

nope

it creates a new bleed

with a shorter duration

exsanguinate on its own technically does not deal extra damage

[languid ferry]

just me or does exsanguinate not activate if u push puzzle box too quick after it?

[lament warren]

it deals damage by giving you more ticks of a bleed

[lament warren]

you are probably replacing exsanguinate in your spell queue with puzzle box

[lost idol]

ok so my combo should be garrote, 5 stack rupture, what then

deathmark?

[lament warren]

so

no

you run cut to the chase

[lost idol]

😭

[lament warren]

which means when you press envenom

it increases the duration of your slice and dice

this talent exists so that you only press slice and dice once during an encounter

do you have the improved garrote talent?

[oblique jackal]

Anyone else feel like they nerfed sin rogue too much ?

[lament warren]

yes

[oblique jackal]

Like way to hard

[lost idol]

improved garrote?

[oblique jackal]

It’s not even viable lol

[lost idol]

lemme see

[lament warren]

it's this one

[lost idol]

yes I got it

[oblique jackal]

Ill be praying for a CD of DM talent

[lament warren]

so that means you can recast garrote

which means

you can open with garrote -> slice and dice -> garrote

it is a dps increase to double garrote when they're improved/empowered

I think, at low levels, without echoing reprimand

[lost idol]

but dont I want to cast slice and dice at full stacks

[lament warren]

garrote -> snd -> garrote -> muti -> muti -> rupture -> vanish -> garrote -> exsanguinate -> deathmark -> shiv

[lament warren]

correct

garrote only gives you one combo point

so

it might not even be correct to slice and dice there

you might want to garrote -> garrote -> snd -> muti -> muti -> (muti) -> rupture -> vanish -> garrote -> exsanguinate -> deathmark -> shiv

[languid ferry]

oh shit yeah thats probably it

[lost idol]

aight lemme try it out on a dummy real quick

[lament warren]

sounds good

the (muti) is for seal fate

which you don't have

so just mutilate twice

[lost idol]

well shit just took a pic of skills and my phone died

[lament warren]

lmao

[lost idol]

back to pen and paper ig

[lament warren]

no worries

i don't need to know more talents

[lost idol]

why is that (muti) in brackets

[spice spire]

Because you may or may not need it

[lament warren]

because of two talents you get later called seal fate and deeper strategem

when you have deeper stratagem, you get 6 combo points

which means you finish at 5/6 instead of 4/5

[spice spire]

If you Mut, Crit twice create 4 cp, you won’t need a third.
Or if you crit once off of any, you won’t need a third

[lament warren]

seal fate is this

exactly

[lost idol]

oh and about poison

which should I use

I use numbing and deadly atm

dunno if its a good idea

it slows the atk speed of enemy and etc

[spice spire]

Amplifying > deadly > instant for damage

[royal lantern]

always deadly, when you skill amplifying, you use amplyfing(cus you skilled it, why else should you use it)

[spice spire]

Numbing/atrophic > slows

[royal lantern]

in m+ you use mindnumbing as utility, in raids atrophic

[lost idol]

ok so in short what do I use for dungeons ;d

cause im a bit far from m+

[spice spire]

Mindnumb

[lost idol]

and which one more?

[spice spire]

Deadly or amp if talented in

[lost idol]

ah ok so I was using the right ones ig

[near cradle]

best way to get secondary stats for gear is to sim stats then just use that right?

for crafted gear

i have another 418 thing and it won't let me select multiple secondary for simming

but it looks like reforging my flaring cowl is best upgrade which is surprising to me

[lost idol]

wait why do I use deathmark at the end

of my combo

[lament warren]

because you pressed exsanguinate

exsanguinate creates a new stronger bleed

deathmark is a bleed

so if you deathmark -> exsanguinate

you reduce its duration

but you DO want to deathmark the new stronger bleeds

so you deathmark after

thne you shiv

[lost idol]

but I if I deathmark at the end I lose on the double bleed dmg on garrote/rupture don't i

[lament warren]

no

why would you lose it

it's retroactive, remember

[lost idol]

cause it only deals double damage while its active, and garrote and rupture end at the moment when I use deathmark

[lament warren]

you are doing the combo very wrong then

[loud light]

they shouldn't already be ending at that point

unless you're taking a lot of empty gcds

[lost idol]

nah but like im pressing everythin in order

just as you wrote

[lost idol]

.

you see garrote is used at start

so it ends

by the time

[lost idol]

I use deathmark

[lament warren]

are you running this talent

you have to vanish -> garrote

you reapply it

[lost idol]

yeah I do it

[final dirge]

Are you guys talking full single target build or just in general?

[lament warren]

ST

[final dirge]

the st opener in sin faq is very consistent and minimizes any risk for rng

[lament warren]

yeah well he is level 47

so some liberties must be taken

[loud light]

at level 47 you can probably just send your deathmark whenever and it's fine, just refresh stuff that falls off

[final dirge]

sure, tbf before 70 just slap you face against the keyboard until you hit 70 haha. Its night and day difference, so hard to get a feel for a class and spec without the full kit

[lament warren]

these are not helpful answers 😦

[final dirge]

😄

[lament warren]

he's running exsanguinate

please don't recommend pressing deathmark whenever

[loud light]

obviously after exsang, that's already been stated though

[lost idol]

wpw are you ingame rn

[lament warren]

no

i'm about to lay down

[lost idol]

cause my combo even seems to do more dmg

and I dunno how

[harsh kiln]

hey guys, i'm currently playing sub but i want to assa, it is good or kinda underperforming comparated to other two specs?

[lament warren]

sin is good for boss damage and nothing else

in raids

[final dirge]

depends what scenario @harsh kiln

[lament warren]

in m+ sub and outlaw are similar

and sin is below

[harsh kiln]

in m+

[lament warren]

not sure

you can record and send

in m+, sub is slightly ahead of outlaw, and outlaw is a bit ahead of sin

[subtle tundra]

a bit more

[harsh kiln]

i'm watching zerocool streams and he seem's to pump very hard at dungeons

using assa

[lament warren]

yeah

and that guy plays wrong

[final dirge]

it does pump, but dont play it this week

[lament warren]

imagine what you'd do playing right

[subtle tundra]

i mean

compare his dps to a sub

he wont be pumping anymore

[final dirge]

and for assa to shine the tank kinda has to pull around it

[subtle tundra]

"shine"

do decent

[lament warren]

kinda

[subtle tundra]

you mean

[harsh kiln]

u guys have a sub rogue on twitch for me to follow?

[lament warren]

restealths aren't that important

[final dirge]

sub and outlaw really dont care about that

[lament warren]

but yeah

[lament warren]

😎

[subtle tundra]

#subtlety

[lament warren]

twitch.tv/apolane

or me 😎

[final dirge]

so you are saying carnage without a empowered garrote is not a huge difference?

[lament warren]

or anyone who #rogue-streamers

[dreamy gull]

If tank pulls 4 enemies do I IC

no right

[lament warren]

ya

im saying

if you do 0 damage

because you got no restealths

u just suck

[harsh kiln]

followed

[subtle tundra]

ofc

[lament warren]

based

[harsh kiln]

link me your twitch so i can follow too

[subtle tundra]

what would you do with ic otherwise

[lament warren]

sure

[subtle tundra]

hold it for 45 seconds

?

[dreamy gull]

Use it on bigger pulls

[subtle tundra]

buddy

number one rule of m+

use your cds on cd

[final dirge]

yep

[subtle tundra]

its 45 seconds

cd

not even an actual cd

press it

[harsh kiln]

i'm saving too much i think

[dreamy gull]

Well you can tab garrote everything

[lament warren]

ya maybe

[dreamy gull]

Can't you

[lament warren]

it might also just be a low key

[subtle tundra]

and that means

using 4 gcds

on garrote

[lament warren]

it's not worth pressing ic ofc if your bleed is only going to last like 2 seconds

[subtle tundra]

and that means

[harsh kiln]

you guys think assa need some buffs?

[lament warren]

yes

[subtle tundra]

using your next 4 finishers on ruptures

instead of ct

you press ic on cd

[lament warren]

on 4 target you envenom anyway

😎

for buff

only

don't type

[subtle tundra]

you keep envenom buff

ok

[lament warren]

i am doing a bit

[subtle tundra]

🙂

[lament warren]

don't type

[subtle tundra]

love yourself

[lament warren]

???

sin main

you need self love more than i do

[subtle tundra]

is this dtb

[lament warren]

basically

both passive

[subtle tundra]

im a sub enjoyer

[lost idol]

@lament warren the thing is the rotation somehow doesnt make sense tho, cause the first 2 abilities I use is garrote 2x but deathmark comes only after 8 abilities

theres 1 garrote previously ig

shit im lost myself

[lament warren]

i think you could just press garrote once if you don’t have shrouded suffocation if you want

[final dirge]

whats your complete talents right now @lost idol ?

[lament warren]

garrote muti snd muti muti rup vanish garrote exsang deathmark shiv

[lost idol]

sum like this

[lament warren]

yeah so just do this

dont crimson tempest on single target

[lost idol]

oh yeah , I use it for clearing big groups of mobs

[lament warren]

you start maintaining it on 2 targets

i would truthfully suggest just not playing exsanguinate

until you hit max and have other parts of the kit

[subtle tundra]

I dont play exsang on mythic raid lol

[lament warren]

the opener really doesn’t change but you’re missing er

i play sub in raid

[subtle tundra]

just dont bother yet

[lament warren]

lulw

[lost idol]

deals even less somehow

[lament warren]

i mean realistically

it could just be bleed crits

[harsh kiln]

i'm doing it, its not recommended on st? i saw some guys doing

[lament warren]

the opener is correct i promise

[lament warren]

no

start maintaining at 2 targets

[subtle tundra]

its a very small min max to use sometimes

dont bother

[harsh kiln]

hmm ok

sometimes the envenom buff was falling off due to that

[lament warren]

most importantly it feels like shit to press

[subtle tundra]

i feel like shit when pressed aswell

[lament warren]

we don’t play around the envenom buff in single target

it’s just a bonus

we play around in 4-6 targets though

[final dirge]

id say: garrote snd garrote mutil mutil rup exang deathmark shiv, and then rather use vanish garrote to extend empowered garrote during deathmark after the exsanged garrote is about to run out

will feel way better with that amount of talents

[lament warren]

snd will run out before you can cttc

you want two cp in it

and garrote is not a good builder without shrouded

it only gives 1cp

if refreshing isn’t worth it for exsanguinate then it’s definitely not worth double casting in the opener

[final dirge]

tbh though i would not run exsang that early in the levels. Will cause more harm than good. And the potential gain is not big enough

[thorn fjord]

We keep it simple over here

Gar snd gar rup er rup sbs van gar pb dm Env shiv tea blast

[stiff frost]

heck yes I got a 411 heroic Grieftotem from the weekly quest so happy

[lament warren]

another guy not reading kekw

he’s level 47

[echo cargo]

Mythic Icon from vault, poggers 😄

[lament warren]

doesn’t have those buttons

[thorn fjord]

Why does it even matter then

[lament warren]

ez

it doesn’t

but he wants to learn

so i’m going to help

[thorn fjord]

Like four of us today… big vaults gg

Kk I’ll disappear again @lament warren

[lost idol]

ok so spammed the combo, dealt 12k. now with my combo I dealt(I swear) around 15k

[lament warren]

:3c miss u

what is your combo

show details overall as well

[echo cargo]

Idk if anyone has this experience but, a second point in lethality is simming higher for me than the echoing reprimand capstone

[lost idol]

muti -> muti -> gar -> rupture -> deathmark -> exsang

[echo cargo]

as far as left side tree

[lament warren]

monkaW

link

[echo cargo]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/wXpizY8QuK55fowwY7KXdv

highest is ring swap + lethalityx2

Ceverion about to call me stupid

oh god

he's typing

[lament warren]

by 140 dps too

interesting

this is bc you don’t play exsang

[limber lion]

That was already true for Kingsbane builds previously. The absolute highest simming build prior to 10.0.5 was Kingsbane with 2 points in Lethality, but that's obviously changed since then.

"140 dps" is really nothing. It's within margin.

[lament warren]

it is not within margin

[limber lion]

You're fine playing either of them, you will not feel the difference.

[limber lion]

It literally is lmao

[lament warren]

40 is margin

[limber lion]

LMAO

No it is not

[echo cargo]

less buttons = better for my stupid ass

[limber lion]

0.3% is margin

This is 0.1%

You're talking about some BFA numbers saying 40 dps is margin

[lament warren]

the sim says 40 dps is margin

[limber lion]

That's not what it means

[limber lion]

Yeah

[lament warren]

:?

[limber lion]

I resimmed it with the exact same settings and now the build that's taking RC is simming higher and the double Lethality build is simming less

The equipped build somehow gained 160 dps

[limber lion]

because it's all within margin

[dawn kelp]

[lament warren]

why does it say the margin is 40 then

[gusty mirage]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/mtPL6bVBU8Eccnhiz2eqJR
grieftorch is 185 dps for me, AMA

[lament warren]

why are there two margins

[lament warren]

how do you get up every day and live your life being as handsome as you are?

[limber lion]

Because Smart Sim works quite a bit differently

[gusty mirage]

I like to lie to myself

ya know

[lament warren]

pretend you’re uglier than you are to get through the day

I get it

[limber lion]

If you sim enchants/gems or whatever, that's where it matters more

[lament warren]

so why is there a secret second margin

mechanically

[thorn fjord]

.5% for me BUT my PB is only 415 @gusty mirage

[limber lion]

There really isn't

[thorn fjord]

our droptimizers look the same @gusty mirage lol https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/vDqpsGtz8qGoi4aKroVKxg

[gusty mirage]

wanna feel bad? @thorn fjord

[thorn fjord]

I already do -2k behind you

😛

[gusty mirage]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/kd6RacNTac4mhdhn5fn98p

[lament warren]

???

buff bm please

[thorn fjord]

That does suck

[lament warren]

it’s fine guys on the bosses you lust in execute sin owns!!

[lost idol]

@lament warren but let’s think, if u put 2x muti, garrote, then rupture, exsang so the effect runs out 80% faster and the deathmark so all the bleeds deal 2x damage but in 80% shorter time, it would make sense won’t wouldn’t it

[limber lion]

All sims sim with a variance of 20% both ways. So when you sim 5 mins, you're simming anything between 4 and 6 minutes. Smart Sim works in a way where it starts at low iterations, then it sims again and again with lower iterations, as a way to get rid of the useless and bad sims.

[lament warren]

yeah

[limber lion]

It really doesn't matter for most people if something is 3-5% better for you or 4%.

[lament warren]

slice and dice simply does not do enough yet

[limber lion]

Even less when we're talking about 0.1%

[lament warren]

i’m pretty sure omitting slice and dice at max level makes for a stronger opener too

but it’s about over time

[lost idol]

then after it runs out fast you still got deathmark time left so you can put on some more garrote and it will still run out fast

[limber lion]

https://medium.com/raidbots/smart-sim-2b54952aba44

You can read about smart sim here.

[thorn fjord]

That sky inferno blade is hot @gusty mirage

[thorny pond]

Oxi is hot

[thorn fjord]

A hot Shwarma

[lament warren]

that makes sense

the median can be affected by fight length and internal margin

[gusty mirage]

you can have it

this thing fucking sucks

[limber lion]

Yeah and by using Smart Sim, it makes simming stuff a hell of a lot faster

[lost idol]

wait actually @lament warren you might be right, my stupid ass didn’t use any other abilities after opener so deathmark would go to waste, maybe it would deal a lot more dmg in full combo, what do I need to use after opener?

[lament warren]

ty for explaining

[lament warren]

you just shiv then muti envenom

then keep dots up

[limber lion]

Simming everything and always setting the iterations manually was a pain in the ass and it always sims everything equally, even the terrible results that have no chance of winning the better results, whereas Smart Sim eliminates the bad results immediately.

But yeh all good

[lament warren]

that makes sense

[lost idol]

whats the hype about shiv I don’t understand it dont even deal a lot of smg

dmg*

[limber lion]

Improved Shiv

[lost idol]

is it a talent?

[limber lion]

Yes

[lost idol]

shit I might be mistaken then

I need to grind em dungeons to 60 asap

when will I unlock the full skill tree?

[limber lion]

Literally one of the first talents you take

[lost idol]

like reach the max I can unlock

[lament warren]

shiv at max levels acts as a maintenance buff

[limber lion]

You're pretty much forced to take it to move down

[lament warren]

pretty much

you just send it on cd then hold the one immediately before deathmark

cuz if the value is from poison damage then naturally it’s worth losing less than a full cast when you can amplify double the amount of poison damage

[lost idol]

so the only smart move imo is to use envenom right after shiv?

cause its the only one to use nature dmg innit

[lament warren]

use envenom at 4/5 combo points

[limber lion]

Poisons are nature damage

[lament warren]

5/6 when you get deeper stratagem

there’s nothing else to press but envenom

[lost idol]

so I just hit shiv on cd?

[lament warren]

that’s the only one you got

yep

and then you save one for your next desthmark

[lost idol]

aha I see so I use your opener, then I garrote muti muti envenom and then just stack other DOT’s such as rupture and use garrote on cd aswell?

[limber lion]

I would highly recommend that you read up on a guide

[lament warren]

don’t garrote on cd

only use it to maintain the debuff

[lost idol]

oh so use it only when the DOT is about to end

[lament warren]

ya

[lost idol]

I would man, but the writter ain’t a lvl42 idiot like me, the stuff I read there is rocket science to me, math is easier than that

[lament warren]

acquire level 70

[subtle tundra]

then just play

level

and read

[lament warren]

get questing

it’ll feel a lot better when you have real buttons

and aren’t missing half of your kit

[lost idol]

I just do dungeons to lvl up, seems to be the fastest for me

any other lvl up ways you recommend?

[lament warren]

it’s not the fastest objectively but that’s what I do as well

cuz i drift off

i quest very slow

[lost idol]

Yeah ig I could quest in between but with my ADHD it would be better not to quest at all

[final dirge]

Any ideas that comes straight to mind for gear improvements? Talking ST
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/6EG6WUcDVVU27LX235cDFj

[sudden canyon]

got a fucking haste/vers neck from my x4 m0 box

[lost idol]

whats this

[lunar lantern]

cos ring could be an option

[limber lion]

Court Ring
Flaring Cowl instead of weapon embellishment
Spark Cloak
Spark Belt

Eranog ring after Flaring Cowl

[final dirge]

yea got Signet of Melandrus today, only a 200dps up at 415 without a socket so waiting for vault

What stats do you reckon i go for on cloak/belt?

[lament warren]

crit mastery

[limber lion]

Crit/Mast

[lament warren]

or you can sim, haste might be good temporarily

[final dirge]

haste does seem kinda good atm

[lament warren]

i can’t really inspect your items lol

mobile sucks

[final dirge]

with runes i sit at around 44-45% crit

[limber lion]

Doesn't matter what % you're at

I would just go Crit/Mast on all items always

and then gemming/enchanting haste if the robot says so

[lament warren]

i don’t use runes, I use ap whetstones

[lost idol]

I got a trinket today, its used on AA’s, after I auto attack it gives me a lot of crit, should I use it?

[lament warren]

uhh

i really don’t think it matters

just equip what has the most ability

agility *

[final dirge]

is whetstones better?

[lament warren]

than what

i mean they all sim about the same for me on outlaw so i’m not certified to give advice

[final dirge]

crit runes

[lament warren]

they stack to 200 though so they’re less annoying

[lost idol]

ok and last question, is there a way to spot a crit? Haven’t really noticed it, maybe the colour is different or something?

[limber lion]

Another moment but Buzzing Runes are generally the best

[final dirge]

yea they seem strong concidering how much crit they actually give

[lament warren]

animation is different and the text is bigger bolder

they are strong

i don’t have the consumables string on hand

[jade wadi]

yo everyone. for gems, should i grab crit/mast always, even if my mastery is super f'n high? at what point does it become less useful?

[lament warren]

sim

gems aren’t usually super important but

you can have a robot tell you exactly what to do

so why not

[storm forum]

gear and builds and trinkets impact this a lot. At some point haste becomes very desirable, especially if you have puzzle box. Definitely sim it

[jade wadi]

tyvm

[winged veldt]

Yea I’m dimming haste as my best stat by a good margin now so definitely sim it up and see

[vital reef]

Whats the commands to sim Ruby trinket now?

[carmine dawn]

@ebon notch is box/torch my only option

[vestal wren]

#subtlety-faq message

[carmine dawn]

just got icon but box is insane and torch is being used on i1 add2

[vestal wren]

^ has it

[ebon notch]

i went torch boon

on our kill just now

[carmine dawn]

no way a heroic torch is that necessary for the add

im just concerned cause its in the CD spreadsheet hmm

no way torch is better than 415 box

i knew i shoulda done a fucking key last week

RIP bozo L (me)

[frigid pilot]

imagine having a sim less than 84k

[carmine dawn]

yeah i really want boon holy fuck

makes p1 so much easier

makes sennarth easier

makes dathea easier

[lusty surge]

Anyone know how to determine the winds direction on last boss rlp?

Little wigs calls the direction but I can't tell how it knows in advance

[nocturne current]

I wonder if you can IC all adds in the second Azure boss if you sit right in the middle.

[storm forum]

I've cloaked on gotten 3, there might be an angle to get 4 but it's pretty scary so i dont try anymore

[nocturne current]

In the middle a bit away from the center you get 3?

So probably yeah, hm. Will try.

[storm forum]

yeah ive done it, i dont remember exactly but I was very close to the boss with one of the adds directly to my back

[ebon notch]

if ur trying to burn down the blue side add before the heal absorb

then it can help a lot

[carmine dawn]

damn icon is kind of trash

[subtle tundra]

wat

how so

[sudden canyon]

where do i see my catalyst charges?

says 1 on the ui but im guessing thats the cost, coz i havent used any i know damn well ive done the quest 3 times

[royal lantern]

new 10.0.7 notes

nothing with rogue

cus we dont need ANY changes

[slow viper]

Is the crit proc from lariat worth it or is it always better to have the flat increase in crit?

[subtle tundra]

wat

what flat increase

[lone junco]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[slow viper]

The earth gems have 70 crit and 33 mastery and give a mastery proc

the fire gems have 33 crit and 70 mastery and give a crit proc

[sudden canyon]

wait do catalyst charges no stack to 6?

[balmy condor]

Sim

[balmy condor]

They do

[strange python]

How is sin for pve compared to combat? For mythic and lfr

[next edge]

Time to reroll Ret

ret aura is fucking broken

[slow marsh]

combat doesn't exist

[wind condor]

Rets getting all kind of cool shit and sin left in the dust

But I’m for SURE eating mechanics and using the excuse “I’m procing ret aura for us wdym??”

[next edge]

Have you seen the Retri aura change?

so Retribution Aura now grants 5% increased damage and healing for 10 seconds to all party or raid members whenever a party or raid member within 40 yards takes more than 50% of their health in damage. This can only occur once every 30 seconds.

[sudden canyon]

yea the ui for it is jank. only shows the cost and not current charges like the item upgrade dude.

/run local n=(C_CurrencyInfo.GetCurrencyInfo(2167).quantity or 0); print(string.format("You have %d Catalyst Charge(s)", n))
This logs the amt you have to chat window.

[rapid stratus]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[vital reef]

Ohh - DarkMoon Dance trinket. Is it decent? For Raid?

[royal lantern]

its amazingly mediocre

[lavish brook]

Is there anyway to get bonespike off a training dummy?

[slow marsh]

reload

relog**

[gray crest]

you can also fly away for a few seconds

[vague coral]

question about stats. yea i understand ilvl&primary / secondary. but im to the point where im not exactly worried about the first compared to the later. not trying to get into why or anything and honestly not looking to discuss that. from my understanding we should be cs/m/v/h for pve. the way im stacked is cs 27%, haste 9, mast 30 and vers 11. what should i adjust secondary wise while im also learning my rotation and what not so that i can help provide the most from my character in these situations. or is there someone who i can look at in the armory to get an idea off of.

[dreamy gull]

Is ic even close to playable

Ik it's bad but I miss blindside

:(

[royal lantern]

for m+ yes, you always take it

[dreamy gull]

Oh

My bad

I mean ap

[royal lantern]

oh

yeha no

AP is shit

pure, unfiltered shit

[royal lantern]

well, the rule is that you always sim your gear upgrades anyway, that answers most of your questions

there are no real stat goals overall, crit/mastery/haste are all more or less equal, vers is very slightly behind the Others, crit is the only stat that can make a gameplay difference cus of sealfate

its like

[thorn crater]

Cmon bro it’s fun and exciting can’t wait for mass soothe in raging week POGGERS

[vague coral]

sim where? i did pawn and simcraft ages ago and it really messed me up. if it was for better rng this xpac i wouldnt even be geared

[royal lantern]

you still just grab ilvl upgrades on most stuff cus mainstat ALWAYS wins, and the rest you just sim

you go into your addons folder

and delete pawn

right now 🙂

[vague coral]

been deleted after my shit got all fucked up

[royal lantern]

i belived that copium aswell for a couple days

[vague coral]

but main stat will always be there. thats why im not worried about it. a 405 dagger and a 405 idk chest will have the same amount of agility so thats why im not worried because im trying to check my dps and im already gotten most the rotation down

[thorn crater]

Oh I never did was clear as day to me lmfao

[vague coral]

thats also why i said i understand the ilvl primary yadda yadda. i get it from guildies all the time. i did that too before pawn and i think thats what helped fuck it all up. i started in pvp this xpac while raiding secondary this way i could replace off my pvp set. worked out pretty well and unless my math or understanding of the secondaries are wrong. id say im stacked decently

[keen spruce]

use simulation craft, import that to raidbots to compare gear for relative power gain

[vague coral]

eh

i just mentioned im not a fan of that stuff. im old school. i want to figure it out the old way because im not about to go through and have it fucked up again

i hand wrote out exactly what pvp gear i needed to stack me the right way

[keen spruce]

then just take the highest ilvl stuff

[vague coral]

no help. next

[keen spruce]

and try to get crit and mast

maybe keep haste like

above 5% if you want

feels kinda clunky to play with low haste

[royal lantern]

except it doesnt

you dont feel haste

[vague coral]

yea it was very werid. but made it in the top 10 with my guild and they are all nearly capped on ilvl and such and i feel out of raid for a few weeks

[royal lantern]

the only stat you can "feel" is crit lol

[vague coral]

no honestly you really dont. ive had my haste stacked high before and saw no difference in energy regen

[royal lantern]

cus it means less 2cp mutilates

[keen spruce]

you can definitely feel the energy regen differences between 2% haste and 15% haste

but again, it doesn't matter he doesn't wanna sim

[spice spire]

Feelers

[keen spruce]

just throwin out my person opinion

[royal lantern]

its litearlly 1energy

10% haste is 1energy mate

if you can feel 1more energy, idk man, some kind of super human?

[vague coral]

yea see thats why i didnt want the sim advice. i want someone who understands what he just wrote

[royal lantern]

but the answer litearlly is "do sims"

[vague coral]

that 100 secondary stat = 1%

nope. not until i know im good. again not risking it getting all fucked up again

[keen spruce]

but someone already answered you that crit, mastery, and haste all run very close together

[royal lantern]

and if you dont want sims for some reason, ilvl and crit/mastery and accept that you will "only" do 98% dmg

[balmy condor]

This is….. a lot. It’s difficult to not get into the why or not discussing it when like, your view on stats is so warped. You’re semi right about the stat priority, should generally be crit>mast>haste>vers, vers isn’t really a good stat for us in pve. But like the others have said, simulations really are the way to go about this. I’m not sure where your adversity to sims came from, I’m sure you have your reasons, but if you’re trying to min-max, you simply are unable to do the math yourself. The most accurate thing after that would be to just get the important items (puzzle box, signet of melandrus, your 4 set, flaring cowl + lariat, eranog ring), and then go for the highest item level pieces, as long as they don’t have omega vers.

Also I would generally suggest not throwing stones when you seem to be really out of the loop on these things

[vague coral]

i did the sim and ilvl throw and ended up being benched in the last guild because my dps just went down

i legit explained why about the sims. multiple time

[keen spruce]

you just said it messed you up

you didn't really explain anything

[vague coral]

yea from doing the same shitty advice im getting now

[chilly viper]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[keen spruce]

the only way it would mess you up is if you simmed incorrectly

[vague coral]

by just focusing ilvl and primary and then simming it

[royal lantern]

mate, your dps.doesnt go down the shitter cus a sim tells you that 2% crit is better than 2%haste

like, thats now how stats work

[keen spruce]

excluding item effects and sockets and what not, just 2 natty pieces of gear like a bracer. I've seen like a giga vers piece perform very slightly lower than well statted piece that's 3 ilvls lower

[royal lantern]

you wont suddenly gain or lose thousands cus of a couple % changes on your secondarys

[keen spruce]

and by very slightly

[vague coral]

you obivously didnt read everything. im not throwing stones. i want to understand it. nothing about being 100% accurate. like what are the secondary stat caps. yk at one point in this game you didnt want to for say go over 32% mast on sin rogue because of deminishing returns. shit like that. if i wanted a computer to do it i wouldnt have asked

[keen spruce]

I mean you would never notice a difference in a fight

[ebon notch]

bro who tf do you think programmed the computer?

you're legit talking to them right in this discord

[inner temple]

who's that guy that tried to convince everyone that 2+2 = 3?

[oak sky]

Big brother, and its 5

[royal lantern]

whisp is the guy/cutie that does many changes ON THE SIM you complain about

like, mate, you can trust his words lol

[vague coral]

like i said. as of right now im not looking for computer accuracy. hell just pointing me to a place with accurate info wouldve been enough. something that says done go over % for such and such stats

[inner temple]

oh, Terrance Howard - go check him out @vague coral

[ebon notch]

there's literally an faq

[vague coral]

ok so irrelevant to this right. seeming now everyone wants to throw stones

im an automotive technician

humans made cars

[keen spruce]

that isn't a thing, there aren't hard caps or soft caps or real breakpoints

[vague coral]

humans create errors and so do computers

[oak sky]

The sim is basically telling you what ratio of stats works best based on the gear you have available

[ebon notch]

bro you cant simulate a car

[keen spruce]

it's kind of a soft sliding scale that can vary wildly

[ebon notch]

you cant put a car in a vacuum and see how it will perform

you gotta build it and test it

[burnt latch]

21% haste, 34% crit and rest in mastery will be a good starting point for top 10 level performance. For top 100 u can do a bit less haste for more crit

[ebon notch]

in a virtual environment like wow you absolutely can simulate and test shit

[vague coral]

yup and right now im in the building phase and not looking to test

[keen spruce]

like if you don't want computer accuracy. then just get highest ilvl, then crit & mastery

[ebon notch]

wtf is the building phase in wow

like

[keen spruce]

and that's literally all you need to get to like that 97% effective range

[ebon notch]

equip items the computer tells you to

[keen spruce]

[oak sky]

Leveling gear

Building phase is leveling gear

[vague coral]

again your advice is useless. look at my c and m. where do i stop or do i just keep throwing that?

[ebon notch]

and the rest is up to you

[inner temple]

bro, would you download a car?

[thorn crater]

bruh NA times hit different

[ebon notch]

id download you you handsome devil

[thorn crater]

flat earthers come out the woodworks

[keen spruce]

there isn't a breakpoint

[final star]

My guy playing fortnite in wow he's in the building phase

[burnt latch]

34% crit maximum

[balmy condor]

I mean you’re being very abrasive to people trying to give you genuine help. There’s no caps or breakpoints on stats, cause it’s all variable. That’s the issue. If you have 10k haste, adding another 100 on top won’t do anything. Adding 100 crit when you have 0 though is really good. Everything is a balance. That’s why we simulate, because the balance of stats that’s different for every charactee. If you aren’t interested in min-maxing and don’t think simulations are worth doing, and your perception is that sims messed you up to the point where you got benched (they didn’t), then just follow the guides, get ilvl first, then crit, the mastery, then haste. Get the important items mentioned above, and you’re good to go.

[burnt latch]

Is my advice

[balmy condor]

Also for the rest of you trolling please shut the fuck up or I’ll start handing mutes out

[ebon notch]

34.3% to be precise

fuck

sorry

[final star]

recurring of cours

[vague coral]

im being abrasive because the first thing i said was not to sim and thats all i got. reading isnt hard

[inner temple]

you just take highest ilvl my man, nothing your looking at is going to help you more than that right now

[keen spruce]

no you said you don't want to sim then disagreed with all of the other advice that people gave

there aren't breakpoints for stats

[vague coral]

because all other advice was simming

[balmy condor]

You want to be accurate, but not sim. That’s the problem. You can’t have both. You can have general guidelines to follow, but no one can replace the accuracy of a simulation

[keen spruce]

so just get crit and mastery with high ilvl

that is literally the answer

or grab haste, that's fine too

try to avoid vers

that's the whole answer

[royal lantern]

i gave a real answer man

[thorn crater]

ok some no sim advice. go full balls deep agi> crit> mastery. until you hit around 412-415 ilvl rest of stats wont matter too much. at that point you WILL have to sim to see how the haste value changes

[vague coral]

true your right. but im not looking for 100 accuracy i want my stats weighed correctly this time before i go into simming because i did all this other bs advice every xpac and every xpac i watch my shit get fucked up

[royal lantern]

went down after that

[keen spruce]

u just flamed me for my feelcrafts

[final star]

sim it

[burnt latch]

Im pretty sure you guys are getting baited real hard

[thorn crater]

try to avoid vers like the plague

[final star]

[oak sky]

We can just leave it now

[rare jackal]

people are so obsessed with stat weights
meanwhile the real chads just equips the highest ilvl

[inner temple]

https://medium.com/raidbots/beware-of-stat-weights-240769a5323e

[vague coral]

nope a generally question. how do you think we figured it out back then in raids? there was hardly a thing called addons back then

[final star]

@balmy condor omelette du fromage?

[burnt latch]

You didnt, you guys were god awful at the game

[thorn crater]

pretty sure the back then dmg would be ass with today's resources

[inner temple]

we used addons to dump to spreadsheets, cmon man dont make boomers look bad

[keen spruce]

okay if you're an old frog, then what you know about hit caps and shit from back in the day don't exist anymore

[balmy condor]

!warn @final star I already said not to add fire to the troll pile

[vague coral]

why not my parents are and i was playing as a kid then lol

[keen spruce]

so the answers you're looking for either no longer exist or are effectively irrelevant

[royal lantern]

going even further: equip gear by its transmog, so you dont have to pay tmog gold costs

[vague coral]

how irrrelevant lol yall just contradicted that

[rare jackal]

🤝