Who’s laughing now?
#assassination
drifting cloud
everyone, some at you some with you
earnest remnant
video games are my happy space
keen spruce
I normally quit half way through an expansion, clear all items/inventory/bank/gold off all of my toons so that "this time it will be for good"
then come back the next xpac and have to level a new rogue
gusty mirage
I normally quit half way through an expansion, clear all items/inventory/bank/go...
I’ve been trying to convince myself to quit for 3 tiers now
gray crest
i use to quit mid xpac because of school
gusty mirage
I quit mid bfa for the bar exam
keen spruce
gusty mirage
That was cool
gusty mirage
Lmao
keen spruce
I'd like to think that this new job will slowly drag me away from the game, but if it makes me too successful then i'll just retire early and play wow all day again anyways
cursed
drifting cloud
I quit mid bfa for the bar exam
technically you were just doing raid prep for the bar exam
keen spruce
I think the only solution is a civillian GF that's way hotter than you
gray crest
i had a couple of astro classes that would go up untill 10 pm on wednesdays and I ended up just quitting the game because of it. then i graduated and started playing again lol
keen spruce
drifting cloud
I actually played it 5years ago a decent bit 
ebon notch
i played like 2 games
drifting cloud
shitloads of pve aswell yeah
ebon notch
idk
drifting cloud
then I swapped to apex
keen spruce
PUBG on launch was the way
ebon notch
i put in way too many hours
earnest remnant
i miss cod blackout
keen spruce
so much content
content generated by moments, not content in the game
there wasn't dick in the game 
ebon notch
i miss cod blackout
that game was a shell of what warzone would become
indigo epoch
Hit 40. Still alive. Still playing wow since day 1. Still dig rogue.
keen spruce
i quit before the inertia patch
i feel like I need a 12 step program to keep me away
subtle tundra
Ayo recent stamina and recoil changes go hard af
dreamy elk
Does hunter disengage also help mitigate Tempest Wing AOE? Or do they still eat the full damage + DOT?
Ergh, wrong channel sorry.
paper wraith
do i still use buzzing runes if sims are saying haste gives me more dps than crit
thats probably a silly question
drifting cloud
you can sim the rune combos
paper wraith
O i didnt know that thanks
drifting cloud
shouldnt matter that much but a different combo could be better for your char
storm talon
Just started rogue, quick question: With being lower ILVL, I should look at bracket parses instead of overall right?
storm talon
I am 377 right now and parsing green overall
pseudo hamlet
You really shouldn't look at the logs at all with that ilvl.
As long as the bosses are dying and you're catching up gear it's fine.
keen spruce
that's pretty normal / good i would say. i'm assuming ou're doing normal?
outer arrow
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keen spruce
also what eazye said yeah
storm talon
yeah normal, not going to get carried through heroic LOL
keen spruce
more important to look at the logs themselves and make sure you're hitting the right buttons
drifting cloud
its ok to look at it but you shouldnt think about it too much, better to try to analyze other stuff in logs
keen spruce
Its possible to acquire Pikaboos Dagger tmog?
what tmog is that
pseudo hamlet
Its possible to acquire Pikaboos Dagger tmog?
keen spruce
oh i think he uses the legion artifact one
some are still atainable
not sure about that one specifically
errant comet
I was trying to do mage tower but i dont know if i will recive something
keen spruce
little light
You get the armor set mog from mage tower I think thats a bout it
keen spruce
these ones?
errant comet
these ones?
Correct
keen spruce
lemmy check one sec
errant comet
was looking for daggers and swords that stand on back and only found the artifacts
keen spruce
no idea if this text is still current with the return of the mage tower
might not be obtainable 
errant comet
was trying to complete the challenge but its only a click on dialog
was afraid if i will recive something
pseudo hamlet
If you have base tint, you should be able to get other tints. If you don't have it now, you probably won't have it because it was time-limited reward.
solemn mason
I'm pretty sure you can't get them anymore
errant comet
So i needed to have the light blue one first ?
keen spruce
Neurosurgen's tool is the only dagger transmog you need anyways
pseudo hamlet
Check out the Appearance Tab "Legion Artifact".
pseudo hamlet
Neurosurgen's tool is the only dagger transmog you need anyways
There's an item called "Neurosurgeon's tool"?
errant comet
Check out the Appearance Tab "Legion Artifact".
Have some from all spec
keen spruce
keen spruce
i've only got the red and blue ones
pseudo hamlet
I NEED IT
errant comet
When i go to the forge of the artifcat it shows 'X' on the hidden appearence
pseudo hamlet
Yups
errant comet
Thank you for information guys
past grove
!fuu
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main vessel
Will look at this when I get home from work this evening
uncut echo
With the new dtb build are we just shipping shiv on CD
sour elm
my guild is progging on H Raz 🙂 I wanted to ask what you all do in the 2nd phase adds. I felt strong in phase one but felt nearly useless on the 2nd phase.
Any tips or is it just sad rogue times in 2nd phase
oh Im running the recommended ST DTB build
weak horizon
assassination rogue is hella sad during add phsae
phase*
i went sub to help out since we needed more add dps
royal lantern
my guild is progging on H Raz 🙂 I wanted to ask what you all do in the 2nd phas...
the add phase on heroic is giga whatever
weak horizon
i think you just have to accept you're going to suck during add phase and that you more than make up for it elsewhere
royal lantern
like, they die to casual cleave
sour elm
so its not even worth trying to pick up crimson tempest or anything?
royal lantern
nah
sour elm
got it
weak horizon
only if your group needs more add dps
sour elm
we are pretty good on add dps; we got a lot of cleavers
limpid ermine
You'll hopefully catch up on shield parts if you line up your big cds well
sour elm
thats what Im hoping for
weak horizon
cool, you just lose too much ST if you take CT
sour elm
saving puzzle jsut for the shield haha
sour elm
RIP KB
weak horizon
guess you'll just slap 1st and 3rd shield
static glacier
do we have a sim of pi only in execute?
(sub 35%, probably aligned with dm)
and box
royal lantern
what would be the point of that lol
brisk tapir
what's the point of double casting garrote and rupture in the sin opener? just to max their duration before exsang/dm?
trim zinc
what's the point of double casting garrote and rupture in the sin opener? just t...
pandemic for exsng
royal lantern
what's the point of double casting garrote and rupture in the sin opener? just t...
max duration and free cp for garrote, double rupture for exsang
brisk tapir
ok glad to know my guess was right
storm onyx
what's the point of double casting garrote and rupture in the sin opener? just t...
Energy/Cp economy with empowered/pandemic garrote, snd and rupture all in shortest time
static glacier
what would be the point of that lol
guessing you're not responding to me
slow marsh
You can sim yourself for execute with or without pi
gaunt moat
green juniper
is this week's m+ affixes are really boring/hard/bad or my first and last run was cursed? jesus AV was tough
also is it better to run ST talents this week bosses are like bulletsponge
oak sky
Usually you still run a similar aoe build for tyran
Especially since pulls are usually bigger
north basin
tinker bracers are dps gain when eqieped with neltharion flametower socket thingy?
shut owl
That's what cloaks for during farm, right?
little light
I wouldnt complain even if its suboptimal :p
south pollen
what kind of stats % should we aim for as assa?
spice spire
what kind of stats % should we aim for as assa?
Above 0. Don’t sim for % just upgrades. Simming is pretty accurate for us
south pollen
yeah its just that im about to change one piece into tier and looking which to prefer 😛
spice spire
Yeah you can check via top gear. It has a catalyze option 
subtle kiln
so ex outlaw main. saw jpc playing the spec on stream. how bad is a 1H weapon as an offhand or am I ok to blast?
spice spire
gusty mirage
yes
copper hazel
!OH
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Mutilate requires a dagger in both hands, this makes using a non dagger weapons undesirable.
royal lantern
so ex outlaw main. saw jpc playing the spec on stream. how bad is a 1H weapon as...
stack fan of knives relics for the hidden FoK on ST strat
subtle kiln
than daggers
I figured the new flail mog was BiS. giga dps increase.
gusty mirage
I figured the new flail mog was BiS. giga dps increase.
you're only as strong as your mog is cool
just saying
sonic spindle
That flail does look good, I feel like so many people are going to have it tho
subtle kiln
gigity
oblique jackal
my guild is progging on H Raz 🙂 I wanted to ask what you all do in the 2nd phas...
Go Sub or Outlaw
subtle kiln
go outlaw. sub dead.
sonic spindle
Outlaw has cool flail mog
sour elm
eh ive mained outlaw since the start; need a change
vestal wren
classic 🙂
oak sky
and build primarily with fok
Nochill wet dream
gusty mirage
Nochill wet dream
no
that was before his time
bfa was the best
assassination was arguing over whether it was worth running 3x Echoing Blades or 2x + 1 TtK
outlaw was arguing over breath vs blood of the enemy vs meme beam
oak sky
SHOW ME ONE SIM
gusty mirage
and sub was like "blizzard I think you forgot about us"
oak sky
YOU FUCKING BABOON
gusty mirage
and the only spec that was correct in all of bfa
was sub
because holy shit
legit killed the niche
and left to rot
spice spire
Bfa was before my time
gusty mirage
actual funnel
spice spire
(current time)
gusty mirage
like not the copium shit we lie to ourselves about these days
legitimate aoe -> ST funnel
oak sky
Remember frost mage sub rogue funnel in 9.1 
spice spire
like not the copium shit we lie to ourselves about these days
Bro ic helps us funnel trust
gusty mirage
yeah I remember people pretending pressing eviscerate was more prio damage
vs bp
and it turns out
it was like spamming CT vs Envenom in AoE for assassination currently
irrelevant
gusty mirage
did you miss the "remove rupture from you bars" era in SL?
versed canopy
I played combat/outlaw rogue all the way from BC to DF. dabbled with sub until they changed it in legion and i didnt like the rotation.
subtle kiln
i miss the old funnel days. niche was nice.
outer cairn
hmm. got 2 sparks now. gonna craft cowl so its ready to go when i get eranog ring. not sure what to do with the other
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loud light
hmm. got 2 sparks now. gonna craft cowl so its ready to go when i get eranog rin...
basically just fill gaps in your gear, droptimizer on raidbots has a thing for crafted items to help too
outer cairn
Honestly just be another shortblade to 418. gotta grind up the focus though. need 5 more to get bracers to 418, 10 for cowl, then need another 10
most likely
thorny pond
@gusty mirage love u
royal lantern
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old lagoon
How far behind is sin wrt the good specs in like 20+ keys? Starting to gear up rogue again with primal chaos changes and not sure which way to go. Outlaw feels kinda clunky with shadow dance and such now imo so kinda looking to avoid it
frozen jasper
How far behind is sin wrt the good specs in like 20+ keys? Starting to gear up r...
I don‘t think it is that much behind, if at all. I regularly play 19/20 keys and can keep up with the other dps classes
echo heath
How far behind is sin wrt the good specs in like 20+ keys? Starting to gear up r...
Pressing ambush instead of ss is clunky?
old lagoon
Pressing ambush instead of ss is clunky?
Idk how to describe it. It just doesn’t feel super good with the extra 1 min cd compared to like, bfa.
plain ginkgo
!oh
prisma monolithBOT
Mutilate requires a dagger in both hands, this makes using a non dagger weapons undesirable.
indigo wing
could sin not use coldblood?
vestal wren
sin has no powerful attack to use it with
so, while you could use it, it is not that strong
nocturne current
Hmmmm I do use Cold Blood in one very specific scenario.
That I call slam dunk.
somber hill
u could cold blood ER or Envenom ig but not that worth
indigo wing
im just struggling so hard in M+ anything above a 17 i struggle with st or aoe its like i either do alot of aoe and no st or little aoe and alot of st i cant seem to find a perfect balance like with sub
nocturne current
I have a PVP build with nightstalker, you put 10 amp poison charges on the target with bleeds ticking, then you Puzzle Box & Shiv and then I have a PVP macro that uses Vanish, Tea, Cool Blood and Death From Above into the target and you literally jump from nowhere into the target and hit for like 150K from 100% crit + 100% mastery.
It's basically one shot most of times.
indigo wing
I have a PVP build with nightstalker, you put 10 amp poison charges on the targe...
plz share
deep badge
what for a cheap enchant for weapons should i use if i am a broke little rogue? 🙂
nocturne current
plz share
#showtooltip Death From Above
/cast Vanish
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Thistle Tea
/cast Death From Above
Nightstalker
Prey on the Weak
Cold Blood
Tea
Fatal Concotion
Amp Poison
Death From Above
Setup: Before combo -> Deathmark -> Kidney -> Puzzle Box -> ER -> Shiv -> Macro .. dead
It feels like using Darius ultimate.
brazen zodiac
#pvp might be better for this
that sounds cool tho but anything relating to darius is a 👎
remove champ.
royal lantern
im just struggling so hard in M+ anything above a 17 i struggle with st or aoe i...
tbf, that sounds more like you have some gameplay problems, your spec choice absolutely doesnt matter in keys under like 22, you should not struggle in a +17
nocturne current
Nah not even worth it, it's just meme build, PVP with puzzle box 
brazen zodiac
xD
royal lantern
this week can be a bit funky cus spitefull sucks when you want a IC garrote pull, but still
brazen zodiac
we love spiteful
spice spire
What you call funky I call padding
indigo wing
tbf, that sounds more like you have some gameplay problems, your spec choice abs...
do you know of any coaches?
brazen zodiac
What you call funky I call padding
what you call padding i call ghostbusters
dreamy gull
is it bad if prot pally is outdpsing me against gutshot
brave mason
does internal bleeding make kidney shot benefit from ER? since it becomes a dmg finish move?
slim hamlet
pulsar relic
should you hold exang for deathmark assuming you'll get full use out of both
or just use it when you have ER
teal bloom
You hold exsang for deathmark if you won't lose a cast by doing so
In kill times like 3:30 to 4:10 you can also hold 2nd deathmark for 2nd exsang because you wouldn't get a 3rd cast of deathmark
gray crest
send him the video of endwyr doing mythic raz
limber lion
Lalala
balmy condor
I feel like if you don't know how to sell assassination to your raid lead
you probably shouldn't be playing it
it's like
maybe 2 arguments at most
and they're kinda the whole reason assassination is viable
rare jackal
let your phat deeps do the talking
balmy condor
idk, it's kinda weird that you can't articulate what your spec is good at
ya know
that's awkward
dreamy gull
Isn't sin top tier for vault anyways
zinc frost
If you play sin in raid and do good dmg on previous bosses as sin, you really shouldn’t need to convince your RL to play that spec
limber lion
If only it worked like that
spice spire
(They usually don’t know)
limber lion
Top dps on Terros, I'm ready for Brood minion duty
oak sky
You vastly underestimate the assumed knowledge a lot of rls have
they always have none
limber lion
spice spire
I did good damage on sennarth, put me in on kurog chief
Yeah we need to drop a healer for you tho. Think we can 4 heal it?
spice spire
they always have none
Real
balmy condor
Top dps on Terros, I'm ready for Brood minion duty
just play carnage, 45 seconds lines up with add spawns
vestal wren
you probably shouldn't be playing it
easy enough:
oak sky
i love bryan cranston!
royal lantern
yeh except that's like, maybe the 5th reason you would play sin on raz
what are the other 4
balmy condor
what are the other 4
consistent boss damage, shield burst, fun spec, your mom is in my bed
spice spire
balmy condor
I know.
zinc frost
They are both in his bed
brazen zodiac
:o
magic vine
"i'm best at sin"
"sin looks the coolest"
"funnest so i'll stay interested"
"it'll be a flex to not use meta spec"
royal lantern
"i'm best at sin"
"sin looks the coolest"
"funnest so i'll stay interested"
"it'...
last one is me
magic vine
look i was trying
royal lantern
Sin looks boring af
just like you fr
magic vine
maybe "lower apm so i can play for longer"
royal lantern
assa has same apm as sub in df
oak sky
bro i have an hour and a half with nothing to do
royal lantern
bro i have an hour and a half with nothing to do
masturbate
limber lion
just like you fr
True but at least I have a massive hog
teal bloom
😳
zinc frost
True but at least I have a massive hog
polar gull
masturbate
what about the other 1 hr and 29 minutes
royal lantern
i have a roommate
then you dont need to masturbate wdym
oak sky
that was outta pocket
spice spire
indigo wing
what about coldblood into kingsbane?
teal bloom
i don't think it would affect any tick, probably just the instant damage
oak sky
yeah i meant the instant damage
the first tick technically
or i worded it bad
either way
limber lion
It's okay, Andrew.
tender kelp
Hi, is it worth to wait e.g. 20-25s for vanish + IC on pack in m+? Or do you just pop it at the start without stealth and then wait for the next round (if there is any)
oak sky
It's okay, Andrew.
ok what happened why are you calling me andrew its usually just oxi and whispyr 
spice spire
ok what happened why are you calling me andrew its usually just oxi and whispyr ...
Chill, Andrew
oak sky
limber lion
Hello Reid.
spice spire
Fuck
limber lion
Hi, is it worth to wait e.g. 20-25s for vanish + IC on pack in m+? Or do you jus...
You can honestly do something spicy like using your stealth garrotes without ic in the beginning, then pressing ic to spread ruptures
limber lion
Then when vanish comes back around, you vanish gar qith the ic you applied 15s earlier
spice spire
God damn, I miss Brian
oak sky
i miss brian too
limber lion
Who's Brian?
tender kelp
that strat didn't come to my mind, thanks!
zinc frost
That Brian guy was really helpful
tender kelp
im just losin my mind with spiteful
spice spire
Agroaner
oak pulsar
hey what percentage of wasted builders is to much? i recently fixed my weak aure and have gotten better and never casting a low CP envenom but i also noticed my wasted builder percentage has increased to about 5-6 percent
spice spire
hey what percentage of wasted builders is to much? i recently fixed my weak aure...
You mean CP? You should have as close to 0 (outside of seal fate) as possible
0 being ideal ofc
limber lion
hey what percentage of wasted builders is to much? i recently fixed my weak aure...
Depends which builder. Garrote? Less than 1%. Shiv? Less than 1%. Mutilate? 0%.
oak pulsar
i guess i just have to get used to it more and practice prio in moments of like 4cp
burnt venture
idk, it's kinda weird that you can't articulate what your spec is good at
Oh I can, just get the “sin is dogass at adds”
No shit it is
But my p3 dam is double next persons
Minus maybe arms warr lol
scarlet sequoia
@balmy condor is puzzlebox good or sim bait
gusty mirage
its good
scarlet sequoia
ait
balmy condor
<@167090536602140682> is puzzlebox good or sim bait
scarlet sequoia
stable cove
So I just got a 392 whetstone but have 408 kurog trink - which would be better for m+? Sim is saying kurog is 1k dps more but I find that hard to believe in aoe situations
balmy condor
scarlet sequoia
im gonna try assa so i needed to know
balmy condor
puzzle ggggggggguuuuuuuuuddddddddd
scarlet sequoia
its simming 2.2k more than 1 of my trinkets
gusty mirage
ye its insanely good w/ exsang
gusty mirage
a 424 grieftorch was 170 more dps than my 415 puzzlebox/421 icon setup
balmy condor
So I just got a 392 whetstone but have 408 kurog trink - which would be better f...
I'd play kurog trink probably
gusty mirage
gusty mirage
I think if you can scammaz Ion to give you a 421 box in the vault
it's literally unbeatable
gusty mirage
oof
royal lantern
ye i gotta play hc grieftorch + kurog atm
look at mr big dick and his HEROIC torch
oak sky
gotten 1 upgrade from vault so far
what about your sockets
royal lantern
im sitting on a normal one man
gusty mirage
if I got shit vaults I'd be like 405 equipped
oak sky
gusty mirage
lmao
oak sky
if I got shit vaults I'd be like 405 equipped
hes just like me fr
gusty mirage
my vaults legit carried my gear
oak sky
mine didnt
gusty mirage
even my shit vaults were 300-400 dps upgrades
oak sky
bruh
gusty mirage
I mean that's the same DPS as a socket
weak isle
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gusty mirage
speak for yourself
don't you have some CT/Envenom things to go sim?
weak isle
but im in need of help : z
balmy condor
don't you have some CT/Envenom things to go sim?
I do not, all done
gusty mirage
post ze log
gusty mirage
I do not, all done
yeah those are for sure numbers
balmy condor
they're labeled
weak isle
wanna make a thread for it?
gusty mirage
ye I'll make you one
weak isle
❤️
royal lantern
my vaults legit carried my gear
wanna know loot pain?
we only saw 3icons on all difficultys
and 1evoker staff on normal
not even a single heroic staff
gusty mirage
we only saw 3icons on all difficultys
we got like 8 the first 3 weeks
haven't seen one since
we've gotten 3 eggnog rings from all difficulties
royal lantern
im lucky that i got a mythic eranog ring from vault lmao
gusty mirage
DynamicNigel Log Review
dreamy gull
How much worse is kb than dtb
balmy condor
5%
dreamy gull
Hm
It's probably fine at least at the levels I play at then
balmy condor
aside from being an extra button you need to track and being significantly worse in every situation
yeah
probably fine
dreamy gull
Shrug
brazen zodiac
totally fine
dreamy gull
I do kind of wonder how they didn't buff it though, shouldn't they have done sims and known it's much worse
winter vapor
aside from using tea in the opener macro'd to shiv, do we use it seperatly for energy gain thereafter?
winter vapor
so one macro for shiv, one for shiv + tea ought to do it
royal lantern
aside from using tea in the opener macro'd to shiv, do we use it seperatly for e...
yes
eh, dont macro
like, just use it
winter vapor
cheers 🙂
royal lantern
rogue is not a macro class
winter vapor
yeah not a macro for shiv, just easier to press one button to get both happening together
strange python
For AP do you hold shiv charges or just send em?
balmy condor
hold 1 for deathmark
strange python
idk why they aren't buffing it either though
Too busy taking spriests from unfun and middle of the table to unfun and best DPS spec in the game...again.
strange python
try to use it during shiv
Or use tea to try to upkeep a 5 stack alacrity but have the buff still fall through 4 finishers and then go take a cyanide pill because life is pain
oak sky
lol alacrity optimizing doesnt exist
strange python
I know it doesn't
But it makes me depressed to see 4 finishers not keep it at 5
And I have nothing to do on diurna except track it
calm heron
does garrotte/rupture increase the stacks on the twins boss in temple of the jade serpent?
limber lion
No
limber lion
Not sure, but melee for sure does, so if you tab target to reapply bleeds that'll for sure apply a stack
gusty mirage
Applying it does 1 stack doesn't it
ye
probably the best use of IC on a boss fight outside of council tho
cause while everyone's DPSing one
those 2 stacks fall off anyway
pulsar dirge
But blade flurry triggers it correct?
dark token
No
hoary plover
Does anyone know: if i use garrote from stealth and get the bonus damage. If i refresh with a normal garrote for pandemic effect. Do i:
- Overwrite the remaining dots of the from-stealth-amplified garrote with non-amplified garrote, so i effectively lose dps by taking advantage of pandemic in this case
or - The initial debuff is simply extended, so if i make use of pandemic in this case, I extend the amplified garrote by using a 'normal garrote'.
or - The amplified garrote will tick out normally, then the normal garrote will take over
thorny pond
Does anyone know: if i use garrote from stealth and get the bonus damage. If i r...
You overwrite
Becomes normal garrote
hoary plover
So i should ideally refresh with normal garrote after last tick of amplified then
thorny pond
yep
hoary plover
ty
slow marsh
its better to overwrite 1-2s of empowered than let it fall off tho just fyi
gusty mirage
no it's not
hoary plover
Speaking of rotations. If i have 5/6 combo points built up. Should I use another mutilate, or spend them on a finisher? I tend to do the latter to not waste cp, but I'm not sure if it's the correct play
If i have garrote or shiv available (and it makes sense to garrote) ill do that ofc, but if mutilate is the only sensible option I'm not sure what to do in that scenario
wary ice
#assassination-faq answers that in its rotation section but yeah 5+ is a good finishing ooint
teal bloom
Yeah you finish on max-1 but if you are at max-1, you can use garrote/shiv to get to 6
balmy condor
<#856136418170896404> answers that in its rotation section but yeah 5+ is a good...
Why read guide when ask people instead
hoary plover
Discord is for talking to people 😄
But ill read the assassination faq as well, thanks!
indigo totem
... But... But the guide writer worked so hard on it
balmy condor
Discord is for talking to people 😄
It is, but this discord’s purpose isn’t to regurgitate guides to you like a baby bird
copper hazel
ChatGPT next guide whispyr
balmy condor
ChatGPT next guide whispyr
It already is, but nobody knows cause they don’t read it
copper hazel
spice spire
Guide actually has some banger lines ngl
hoary plover
Some sick bars in there innit
slow marsh
you are my favorite changelog
spice spire
slow marsh
its growing
slow marsh
Yeah probably
He knows
I'm currently trying to fix the vanish conditions cuz it's only casting at 18s and then at 4mins
lament warren
It is, but this discord’s purpose isn’t to regurgitate guides to you like a baby...
i’ll do it
open wide chatters
teal bloom
I am not wide 
balmy condor
need a thick goth mommy gf to spit the guides into my mouth
teal bloom
😳
gaunt moat
How about Emo bunny
hoary plover
Is spiteful just really bad for assassination rogues in m+? You never leave combat. It's super annoying.
Feels like a huge handicap tbh
lament warren
restealths aren’t that important
gaunt moat
restealths aren’t that important
???
balmy condor
my damage is higher on spiteful weeks because I pad them
gaunt moat
?????
lament warren
you are coping
balmy condor
?????????
hoary plover
WHATS GOING ON
balmy condor
notter's stuck in 2015 again
gaunt moat
what are you even talking about
how are you gonna gonnna empower garrote with IC when you're not in stealth
balmy condor
you don't
gaunt moat
and lose a lot of damage
lament warren
teal bloom
It is far less than you'd think
lament warren
and what’s your source on that
hoary plover
I should step by here more often. Ask questions and watch people argue
teal bloom
gaunt moat
what do you meannnn
gaunt moat
you can just wait 2 seconds and go back into stealth
lament warren
ok well every 5 times you wait you are losing an entire ic
ic generates garrotes that you actually just cannot create without it
you are losing an insane amount of casts
hoary plover
but with stealth u can watch details go brrrr
brazen zodiac
boom
lament warren
watch details go brr by not being bad at the game
gaunt moat
usually you only have time for one IC per pack anyway
gaunt moat
it's rare for packs to survivive more than 45 seconds and still have high health
that make IC usage worth it
hoary plover
I do understand that this may be a biased channel, but is outlaw just better for m+ than assassination?
lament warren
I do understand that this may be a biased channel, but is outlaw just better for...
yes
magic vine
garrote has a cooldown yes? just push ic to get 8 garrotes
lament warren
except in algethar
balmy condor
sub and outlaw are both better than assa in m+
lament warren
pretty sure sin funnel > sub funnel anyway
so i’ve actually started just playing sin in aa
but not high AA
you have to play sub in high aa
crisp badger
is there any sin m+ build w/ Zoldyck without losing insane ST?
gaunt moat
it is worth pressing the button
yeah sure, use IC on mobs with 10% HP 😬
limpid quest
question when should you use Exsanguinate ? should it be used in AOE raid style fights with 3 of more targets?
lament warren
what key levels are you doing mr notter
gaunt moat
20s
crisp badger
you have to play sub in high aa
i literally just did a 21 AA as sin, felt fine, did 118k overall
lament warren
doesn’t matter what talents you run
lament warren
i literally just did a 21 AA as sin, felt fine, did 118k overall
21 is not high
for what i meant
id high objectively but it’s not restrictive high
in really high algethar if you don’t play sub your tank just dies to tree boss
balmy condor
question when should you use Exsanguinate ? should it be used in AOE raid style...
push it on the biggest guy in the pack
crisp badger
21 is not high
i get what you mean, any time i've tried 23's ive run sub, i havent dont more lol
dreamy gull
is there any sin m+ build w/ Zoldyck without losing insane ST?
Do you have a time machine
hoary plover
#lowkeysmatter
spice spire
Idk if I’d label 21 low
gaunt moat
now he just tries to brag to justify answering something irrelevant
spice spire
But I also certainly wouldn’t call it a “high key” it’s just a like competency matters key
dreamy gull
I personally only play 40+ because I am a professional gamer
spice spire
?
crisp badger
0.o
hoary plover
What gaming chair do you have, @dreamy gull ?
gaunt moat
"in this super specific scenario it's worth using IC all the time"
meanwhile 90% of scenarios, you only use it once per pack
magic vine
well if you sit out of combat for 6 seconds, how much damage are you losing
spice spire
I mean not really. If packs living king, or chain pulling. You’ll just full send Freddy it
magic vine
compared to trying to get that 20% on those garrotes that you delayed
spice spire
Like you’re doing nokhud boss you just gonna hold ic for vanish every single time or you gonna take the free cleave?
magic vine
no we've definitely never heard of iron wire before
hoary plover
Enemies dealing less damage doesnt make details go brr tho
spice spire
https://tenor.com/view/feelings-i-am-crazy-pills-gif-19623103
Ur definitely on one rn
crisp badger
guys are you even aware of this?
take it in smb, dont tell anyone itll go well
magic vine
if your tank needs IW reduction for a pull then thats something they're going to let you drop combat for
spice spire
^
gaunt moat
take it in smb, dont tell anyone itll go well
it's actually super good for dominator packs
magic vine
if you don't interrupt the dominators they just stand there doing nothing tho
gaunt moat
yeah but also, they don't become dead
spice spire
Like these things are great, and do provide value. But it’s not “-20% to take kick” type of moment tho
We ain’t boomkins
Ultra hack for that one
magic vine
and on the 3-dom pull you can solo stop the one too far to get aoe
spice spire
You hit the guy in the back
hoary plover
Speaking of. Does hitting bosses from behind actually matter anymore?
spice spire
With your iw garrote, fok, ic, rupture, garrote. Spread the bleeds, let the dominators do their thing
Chuckle
hoary plover
(Do keep in mind im a fucking pleb)
balmy condor
it's actually super good for dominator packs
you
that's the one pack you don't interrupt
spice spire
Speaking of. Does hitting bosses from behind actually matter anymore?
Bosses parry
gaunt moat
that's the one pack you don't interrupt
watch me.
spice spire
They can’t from behind
magic vine
that's the one pack you don't interrupt
maybe they play with a pally tank
hoary plover
So unless the bosses fart really hard or have dragon tails i should stand behind them. got it
spice spire
earnest remnant
that's the one pack you don't interrupt
i did a 4fun 23 smbg, as assa and had completely forgotten about IW 🙂
spice spire
So unless the bosses fart really hard or have dragon tails i should stand behind...
Yeah it’s a good. Thing to do
spice spire
i did a 4fun 23 smbg, as assa and had completely forgotten about IW 🙂
How did that go mister stealthi 🙂
spice spire
I ran with a Paladin last week so my IW was welcome
gaunt moat
You can't live your life in fear of dominators. you gotta man up.
spice spire
Very rare scenario
hoary plover
I used to play a lot like 10-15 years ago, now im just a casual in my 30s trying to min-max my time online. So i havent kept up with mechanics
tacit oracle
and dominate her
U know, if u dont int the dom, then it cant dom ur wife
earnest remnant
How did that go mister stealthi 🙂
against peoples beliefs, i do actually play all 3 rogue specs, not just sub
spice spire
I believe you.
I’m the only otp I know of that’s cf
Maybe solo. Guy at least played sub for a bit in sod
gaunt moat
U know, if u dont int the dom, then it cant dom ur wife
real talk - even on 21 fortified, it's still easy peasy.
just tell your group in advance you're breaking
spice spire
Or
spice spire
With your iw garrote, fok, ic, rupture, garrote. Spread the bleeds, let the domi...
.
You can do your iw argument but backwards!
Use your utility to not int! Crazy concept!
gaunt moat
iw?
spice spire
Iron wire
hoary plover
ideal witness
magic vine
instant win
indigo sphinx
Okay so, can any friends beat 71 dungeons for dagger to drop?
Just asking for friend
spice spire
Unlucky
indigo sphinx
Anything worse than that?
spice spire
Should have crafted one 
earnest remnant
i did a 104 runs of upper kara last season for the trinket
drifting cloud
my friend did more runs for court ring before running out of time back in s2
nocturne current
is not crafting a better dagger
spice spire
Any s2 vault fans?
drifting cloud
and trinket hunting in vault was even worse yeah
spice spire
Votw banger week
indigo sphinx
I did craft 1, but ended up being more value to get outlaw weapon before upgrading off hand from M0
nocturne current
But you can get sparks anywhere now, isn't it a better time investment to just craft watcha need.
indigo sphinx
When you're not raiding there isn't much else to farm for lmao
spice spire
When you're not raiding there isn't much else to farm for lmao
Some bitches (I’m sorry for that mister friend of ronkles)
indigo sphinx
Haha
agile geode
hoary plover
Am I wrong if i say that outlaw have been the superior rogue spec for at least 3 years now?
hoary plover
so what youre saying is that there have been glimpses of time where sub > outlaw
but assa is always ass
spice spire
For much of sl, it was a safe bet that outlaw was on top.
Keys specifically, outlaw has excelled since I returned
royal lantern
you think we should give frost +5% aswell?
spice spire
pulsar fog
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magic vine
frost (dk) honestly needs work. bos is propped up by having near 100% breath uptime due to ams/amz rp gain on mechanics, and oblit is just basically miles behind
spice spire
I don’t disagree with some of the tuning.
I have a big ???? To hunters and destro specifically
magic vine
i haven't looked at them yet say i can confidently say that some are good and some are insane
nocturne current
They haven't touched Assassination so, in a way.. it'a a buff.
spice spire
Like buffing bdk damage? Makes sense. They’re survivability is fine. But if you’ve tanked while undergeared, threat is scary
magic vine
frost dk changes look like "good" for stuff like +1 targets for oblit and "lol" for stuff like buffed frostscythe dmg.
lament warren
hunters do not need buffs man
slow marsh
A nightstalker bug fix would make my life so much easier rn
magic vine
maybe with these tunings they can justify fixing ns and not changing anything 😄
oblique tangle
WHAT. A. BOSS.
grim tangle
buffing BM when it already does more damage than sin is pretty cringe
spice spire
Just get a better dagger, trust!
copper hazel
just loot a ring
dark token
@gusty mirage how do you feel about the bm buffs
spice spire
Brother
dark token
When it was already beating sin single target
spice spire
True
gusty mirage
like BM
dark token
Frost is a actually nuts on Raz already. With these buffs it will be disgusting
And blood dk was the premier raid tank and good in m+
Why all these buffs lol
lament warren
blood dk needs damage
dk buffs do nothing for single target
so that complaint doesn’t make sense
dk has a lot of trouble holding threat in m+
dark token
Low-key I'm actually confused why they buff bm but not sin tho
They both have similar niches
lament warren
yeah that one is not good
dark token
Good single target and dogshit cleave
spice spire
High key I’m confused why hunter got buffs at all
lament warren
hey man
gusty mirage
High key I’m confused why hunter got buffs at all
they needed it
lament warren
it was good week 1 if you had 4set
dark token
Ye
gusty mirage
don't need survivability if the boss dies faster
royal lantern
The writing is on the wall that hunters are going to be bad for a while. The problem with the class is utility compared to melee dps classes. There's no reason to bring a hunter to a key when you can bring almost any melee class and most ranged as well. The best hunter spec for keys has pathetic utility compared to every other class.
thats why
hunter bad cus no utility
and ranged bad
dark token
And what about sin
royal lantern
lament warren
that take is correct
actually
they don’t have enough utility (die to every mechanic)
royal lantern
You see any sin rogues in keys besides seli
im fking wr 88 assa rogue with 2708 score
i didnt even do all keys in 20
world rank 88
next edge
yo @gusty mirage
royal lantern
not even all on 20
lament warren
i’m gonna onetrick sin for a week
royal lantern
let that sink in for a second man
lament warren
just for memes
dark token
Ye I don't understand
How bm gets a buff
While sin does not
They function identically
lament warren
they’re buffing it for players without bow
clearly
have you considered just getting 4set 6 weeks ago?
royal lantern
the bm hunter allready did like almost 10k more than me on terros
dark token
royal lantern
dark token
Rly cool
royal lantern
i love it
spice spire
the bm hunter allready did like almost 10k more than me on terros
Skill issue tbh
dark token
Bm buffs necessary
dark token
see frost and fire needed a buff
Ye they did
royal lantern
Skill issue tbh
should just press my buttons harder tbh
gusty mirage
there's still a yellow class in front of them
gusty mirage
should just press my buttons harder tbh
yeah start with this one
royal lantern
i litearlly only have my rogue btw
royal lantern
like, im just so confused why they looked at the current state of the game
and thought
5% for all hunters
like, everyone knows that mm is strong in all content, bm is broken in st, survival is borderline broken and only hold back by the fact that its a melee dps lol
slow marsh
they just gave mages a 5% buff wym
like you didn't already know they are just throwing darts?
royal lantern
what are the metrics they are using
nocturne current
I still don't understand what dimension the balance design team lives in.
royal lantern
why are there still so many bugged things on rogue that didnt even get addresed
why is sub still 29 talent points
i just TRY to understand
gusty mirage
why is sub still 29 talent points
because they'd be too strong if they got that like 2% dps increase from having it work
you just don't get it
smh
royal lantern
why did assa get additonal nerfs over sub and outlaw when it was the WEAKEST out of the 3 specs, and now BM gets BUFFS when it fullfills the same role
gusty mirage
they'll do 87.7k instead of 86k if they fix it
royal lantern
like, I DONT UNDERSTAND
gusty mirage
that's UNHEARD OF
burnt star
like, everyone knows that mm is strong in all content, bm is broken in st, survi...
Exacly
This is damage to boss
gusty mirage
fun fact
burnt star
95th percentile
royal lantern
Exacly
are you pulling a DMG overall on me rn
this is terros rn btw
🙂
the only pure ST fight in the raid
5%buff btw
burnt star
This was damage to boss only not overall
nocturne current
Hey James, I know you're spearheading the Hunter balance, watcha got for us this month?
James: What you mean? I told Bob to take it over as I was in holidays this month because of wedding planning.
Bob: - Well, I didn't do it, nothing in my mailbox.
James: - Fuck what do we do now?
Bob: - Idk? Put 5% in everything and call it a day?
James: - I guess, let's go grab a beer.
burnt star
But thats kinda the same storie
royal lantern
This was damage to boss only not overall
you realise that assa is high there because the spec litearlly CANT DO ADDS, and is told to stay boss
burnt star
Buffing hunter. While.leaving assa untouch is kinda weirs
royal lantern
and its still not #1?
burnt star
Well ya
royal lantern
like, you litearlly let other specs do adds and boss, and they do more boss dmg
then the spec that can only do boss
burnt star
We are.saying tje same thing dont try to convince.me
Assa should be up there on boss. Its getting lower and lower
While having no potential to catch on the rest
royal lantern
either let it be giga on boss if you dont want to let assa have any form of raid aoe
or let it have raid aoe
burnt star
They had to nerf assa week 1 based on heroic log
thorn fjord
Bring back legion poison bomb
royal lantern
and not "yeha, you only do boss, but are not even #1 on that, and other specs that do adds also do boss dmg better xD"
thorn fjord
Ezpz
burnt star
And based on people 4 set. With 0 gear
marble hemlock
why did assa get additonal nerfs over sub and outlaw when it was the WEAKEST out...
cause BM isnt a rogue spec
marble hemlock
ye but its only s tier if you have the bow, which many people dont
so the overall wclog charts look bad
so it needs a buff
so the people without bow can compete
royal lantern
its like edge of night
but stronger if im right
and edge of night was allready really really stupid
you should NEVER put such a high gain and balance point behind a rare drop on 1 fight
burnt star
They did a real good job at the end of shadowland by giving dinar coin
Getting those mega rare item a bad luck protection
dark token
why are there still so many bugged things on rogue that didnt even get addresed
Ye
I'd rather they fix all bugs
And nerf by 5%
burnt star
Not sure why they didnt keep it
gusty mirage
but stronger if im right
if you're worried about the hunter bow
look at the mythic evoker staff
heroic -> mythic for dev is like 3k+ dps
burnt star
Im worried about getting my raid trinket
dark token
It's not fun to play without smart targeting, acrobatic strike bugs, and 2 useless talent poings
burnt star
Still 0 boon/grieftoch. 😦
gusty mirage
if deathspike went 75% of shadowlands without smart targeting
you think replicating shadows was gonna get it?
I'll take 1 kilo of whatever crack you're smoking
lament warren
press d
hoary plover
would would i rotate right? 🧌
lament warren
why would I kidney shot?
so the tank can move mobs around for you
brazen zodiac
I'll take 1 kilo of whatever crack you're smoking
lament warren
which is the optimal way to play around replicating shadows
next edge
heroic -> mythic for dev is like 3k+ dps
Good thing
is that Rogue population
is going down
FOTM for 1 week
now trash
nocturne current
Only hunters can top damage and still get a buff, I don't even know what to say, lol.
balmy condor
Rogue population is going down because it’s too powerful
nocturne current
Hunter-class balancer must have a nutty pair of tits.
hoary plover
rogue population is goin down because of inflation and its irresponsible to get children
burnt star
Rogue population vanished
hoary plover
MonkaS
burnt star
gusty mirage
Rogue population vanished
I like your pfp 🙂
figured I'd change the topic from dooming and glooming
its a cute pfp
next edge
Surprisingly rogue was one of the msot dps played specs after not so long